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Speaker 1: Money making Conversations. Here we go. Welcome to money Making Conversations.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, ra Sean McDonald. Like I said

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Speaker 1: every time every episode, it's time to stop reading other

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Speaker 1: your gifts and don't let your age, friends, family, or

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Speaker 1: My interviews on this show is about and with celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 1: next guest is Tamila Man. She's a Grammy Award winner,

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Speaker 1: an actress, she stars in Tyler Pears Assistant Living on

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Speaker 1: Tamla's on the show to talk about her career and

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Speaker 1: of songs that takes the listener on the journey Tamla

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Speaker 1: Tamla Man to money making conversations, Tamla, what's going on?

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Speaker 1: Hey are you? I'm doing fantastic And I always got

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Speaker 1: a lot to say. When you come on the show,

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Speaker 1: you look fantastic. I see awards behind you. Are they blessings?

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Speaker 1: You know? People A would say, you know you're your

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Speaker 1: and you can overcome and that's not The words started

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Speaker 1: with completion And when I looked the word up finishes

428
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Speaker 1: in it so a lot and I realized a lot

429
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Speaker 1: of things we've started in our lives, and I even

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Speaker 1: in my own life, I took it personal. All these songs,

431
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Speaker 1: I took it personally. I've started things that you know,

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Speaker 1: you start cleaning up in the room and before you know,

433
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Speaker 1: you know, started another room and you haven't even finished

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Speaker 1: completing that task. So my thing is to stay focus

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Speaker 1: and finish this album. We started with finished work, the

436
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Speaker 1: work that God has begun in us. We're gonna finish

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Speaker 1: and with his help, we're gonna complete it. And then

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Speaker 1: the album. The last song on the album is called

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Speaker 1: finish that we wouldn't finished, and we're gonna finish. Well,

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Speaker 1: well the beauty If this's not you've always had people

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Speaker 1: write songs for you, you always never participating in that

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Speaker 1: side of it. Talk about that because you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's about confidence too, It's about well what you write

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Well, if you told somebody you wrote this

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Speaker 1: with they what they look at you and just pacify you,

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Speaker 1: but and then say that's good you you you well

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Speaker 1: you in order to do what you do, because those

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Speaker 1: are my exact out as a as a songwright, it's

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Speaker 1: just gonna make sense. I don't know, and I mean

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Speaker 1: me and my daughter were sitting with the producer and

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Speaker 1: he really helped me on. He did it for me.

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Speaker 1: He helped me on, help me to really realize that

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Speaker 1: my words and even with Travis Green he wrote Finished.

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Speaker 1: I sit and talk to him for about about hour

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Speaker 1: of what I wanted to talk about it. He took

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Speaker 1: all my words and put them into Finished. And the

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Speaker 1: same thing when he did it for me with feel

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Speaker 1: and all of us just working together. It's like he

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Speaker 1: helped my confidence come alive, you know, like dealing with

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Speaker 1: sometimes you know, it takes you switching up and doing

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Speaker 1: something with somebody else to see to stir up the

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Speaker 1: gift in you know. And that's what's happened on this

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Speaker 1: album that I realized that my words can be good,

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Speaker 1: and that that they are important, and that they're not

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Speaker 1: too small, that they can be that they can be used.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely know that she's talking about Philip Bryant and my

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Speaker 1: boy are Kurt Franklin knows only Travis Green, who I love.

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Speaker 1: I loved it. I gotta get back on the show.

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Speaker 1: And then you have my bar. I called him the

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Speaker 1: church outlaw. Todd the lady outlaw is good for him.

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Speaker 1: How did you get the church out law all your

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Speaker 1: church girl, huh overcome punk? He did it for men.

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Speaker 1: I called Tied and I said, tod, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about finishing. I said, I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: the work that we've begun in the Lord to finish.

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Speaker 1: And when I tell you, he called me back and

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Speaker 1: I was it was a scratch of him playing on

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Speaker 1: the piano and I said, man, I said, this is it.

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Speaker 1: So we wound up going to Chicago with his band

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Speaker 1: and singers and recording it live with his producer, and man,

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Speaker 1: I tell you, it was so it was like a

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Speaker 1: heavenly experience. And we was in a in a sanctuary

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Speaker 1: with just us and just a very few people that

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Speaker 1: work in the church. But when I tell you, it

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Speaker 1: was like the Lord met us there. And I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited because it's like another side of me that

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Speaker 1: no one's seen or heard on finished work. And I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm just geet and nervous forever. You know. Of course,

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Speaker 1: when you come with new music, you don't know what

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Speaker 1: people gonna receive and all that, But I just believe

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Speaker 1: in my heart that that God has given me it's

492
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Speaker 1: gonna really be able to bless the people and that's

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Speaker 1: my goal is to bring hope, inspiration and let people

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Speaker 1: know that the mercies of God still exist on this

495
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Speaker 1: earth and everybody is not out to get us, and

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Speaker 1: that we can accomplish those things that God has begun

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Speaker 1: on us. He's a healer that he can heal us

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Speaker 1: of all manner of diseases that's going on in the world.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to walk in fear. If we do

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Speaker 1: what we need to do and do what we're supposed

501
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Speaker 1: to do, we're gonna work out and we're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: Rita Franklin one of my all time favorites, and when

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Speaker 1: she did the amazing Grace and i'ma be honest with you, Um,

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Speaker 1: every time I see you, I see I see that

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Speaker 1: moment if there's gonna be a moment when you're gonna

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Speaker 1: just shell into understanding all your blessings. Like That's why

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Speaker 1: this album was special, Overcome Up, because you you finally

508
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Speaker 1: stepped past the things and said, my words have value,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I can write it down and it's

510
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Speaker 1: gonna mean something to somebody else because it means something

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Speaker 1: to meet. The next thing is going to be like

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Speaker 1: that journey you went up to Chicago, and then with

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Speaker 1: Todd the next half, all y'all gonna be in the room,

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Speaker 1: Travis Green gonna be in the room with you, Kurt

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Speaker 1: Franklin gonna be in the room, Philip Bryan gonna, kimbro

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Speaker 1: gonna be in the room with you. And it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be about you telling everybody you know about the King,

518
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Speaker 1: about he did it for me, talk about the Conqueror,

519
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Speaker 1: talking about all these journeys that means something. And I

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Speaker 1: just want to let you know this, this album is

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Speaker 1: a blessing for you because finally, I think that's the

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Speaker 1: final step. Because you know, every time I interview you,

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Speaker 1: I'm always I love David, I'm always stepping into you

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Speaker 1: because I know you're a person, had all these great talent,

525
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Speaker 1: you kind of background in a little bit, and David

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Speaker 1: has put you out there and finally you fill the

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Speaker 1: anointment of who and what you can be. I just

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Speaker 1: I was just so happy for you. I am so

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Speaker 1: happy for you. Thank you so much. You look, you're

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Speaker 1: bringing tears to me. That that's great, you know. I know.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, every time I come on the show,

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Speaker 1: I talk about the family because you mentioned your daughter earlier,

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Speaker 1: and you know, y'all. Y'all went out on tour a

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Speaker 1: couple of years before the pandemic, was all of the

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Speaker 1: country doing there the telling man entertainment to him, talk

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Speaker 1: about the family is all coming together, how they how

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Speaker 1: they how they went through the pandemic and all that

538
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Speaker 1: good stuff. Just just talk about the journey that you

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Speaker 1: and your husband are putting together in the future that

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have for us, because we already know you

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Speaker 1: got movies coming out, TV shows coming out, Alvin overcoming

542
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: coming out. What's coming out with you and your husband.

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Speaker 1: I gotta go back to the family of Core. Not

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Speaker 1: my daughter till the youngest one vocal produced me in

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Speaker 1: the album. She had her hand and everything. Uh and

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Speaker 1: her her boyfriend name is Justin Pearson. They're actually sitting

547
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: right here with me right now, and it's amazing how

548
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Speaker 1: they were able to help. They took a relief off

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Speaker 1: of David sr. And they were they stepped into the role,

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Speaker 1: and I mean they really stepped into the role to

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Speaker 1: help me with this thing. And it's been incredible just

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Speaker 1: to see her develop and and for her skills to

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Speaker 1: come out, and for all of us to see that

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Speaker 1: this hidden and fear that she's had. It's like finally

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Speaker 1: she's stepping into herself and into her own and you know,

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Speaker 1: even like everybody, you know, with my other daughter that

557
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Speaker 1: works in the in the company Porsche and then David Jr.

558
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Speaker 1: Everybody is finding their rightful place which is causing the

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Speaker 1: company to grow. And you know, I have to pray

560
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: hard because once everything gets really smooth, the enemy tries

561
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Speaker 1: to show his head and it's like of course to

562
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Speaker 1: try to bring discord and make try to mess things up.

563
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Speaker 1: But he's doing his job. That's why say, on my

564
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Speaker 1: job praying, and we have to stay on our job

565
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Speaker 1: in what we need to be doing and stand in

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Speaker 1: our lane to make this thing grow. Because even as individuals,

567
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: they have great talents of their own that I really appreciate.

568
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Speaker 1: You thank God for the Lord stirring up. But I

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Speaker 1: always tell them you gotta keep God at your base

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Speaker 1: if you want to be blessed. This is how your

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Speaker 1: mom and dad has been blessed. It's been the favor

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Speaker 1: of God. It's been God keeping his hand on our lives.

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Speaker 1: I can't take no credit for none of it. It's

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Speaker 1: all been God using us and be directing us. We know, Um,

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Speaker 1: we laugh with her. We've seen her grow as a

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Speaker 1: young lady, as a as a wife, as a mom,

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Speaker 1: and but her new CD an Overcoming Tamelaman has been

578
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Speaker 1: more involved than ever in this songwriting, lending her input

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Speaker 1: to nearly every track. Never actually been more creative with

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Speaker 1: her vision, been more powerful or heart more open than

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Speaker 1: this collection upon your songs. The past few years, you've

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Speaker 1: seen these will sat back, You've seen overcome, You've seen

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Speaker 1: her smile when she had paint and all painting her body.

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Speaker 1: But what never stopped me is telling you I love you,

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Speaker 1: telling you I love your husband, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: coming on money making conversations again. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. This has been a joy today. You got

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Speaker 1: you got me hyped up. Boy. I hope whoever's after

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Speaker 1: you today is gonna be as hype. I know that

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Speaker 1: not because you you You got your own, You got

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Speaker 1: your own vain. You're in the lane out a bout yourself.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for shocks as usual. You're a

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Speaker 1: blessing to me, and you're a blessing to our community.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing and bringing us some good information.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Cool. We will be right back

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Speaker 1: Hollywood superproducer Will Packer has produced films that have earned

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Speaker 1: Packard tells me why marketing his brand as a producer

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation with Rashan McDonald. My next guest is

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Speaker 1: a Craig Melville. He's the co host of The Today

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Speaker 1: Show and the author of the book Pops Learning to

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Speaker 1: Be a Son and a Father. You may know Criggs

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Speaker 1: in the war winning news anchor. As I said earlier

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Speaker 1: on The Today Show, you also have seen him on

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Speaker 1: MSNBC Live and the host of Dateline. He's on the

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Speaker 1: show discussed his book, Pops Learning to Be a Son

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Speaker 1: and the Father. It's the story of all the father

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Speaker 1: figures in Craig's life and that includes inspiring men from

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Speaker 1: his program or his series called Dad's Got This series

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Speaker 1: on NBC NBC News Today these experiences, encounters of shapes

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I can be related and we'll have a

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Speaker 1: nice conversation. Since father has recently passed, he has two

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Speaker 1: young children. Please wrap me the money making conversation, my man,

641
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: Craig Melvin, How you're doing, Craig Sean, I'm well, I'm well.

642
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I always enjoy

643
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: your conversation, so I don't have to be a part

644
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: of one. Thank you. Man. A Southern boy, South Carolina, Okay,

645
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: you know uh, you know when I when I see

646
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: people on TV and you saw articulate, there's no yaws,

647
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: there's no access. How does a man come straight out

648
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: of Columbia? I know color because Steve Harvey. I used

649
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: to go down a lot of performative town center selling

650
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: that place out all the time. So I'm fair for

651
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: me with South Carolina, Charleston, that whole low country. There's

652
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: no low country in your tone? What's going on there?

653
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you break that low country accident? Low

654
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: country accent? Funny because I didn't, I never I never

655
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: had it. My mom, Uh, you'll appreciate this. Growing up

656
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: in Houston. Uh, way that you grew up. My mom

657
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: grew up in the projects and first in the family

658
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: to go to college and first in the I'm gonna

659
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: get a graduate degree. So when we came along, she

660
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: wanted to expose us to two things and places that

661
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: she had not been exposed to. And consequently, I think

662
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: it's I was probably fourteen or fifteen, and she had

663
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: us take part in these oratorical contests, um and and

664
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: that was was kind of how it started. So I

665
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: took some public speaking classes and then these oratorical contests,

666
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: and then the next thing you knew, I had what

667
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: they what they like to call in the business a

668
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: nondescript dialect. Right, you can't really tell based on listening

669
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: to me where I'm from. It's a blessing. Now. When

670
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: I was growing up, it was always he's he's talking white. Absolutely,

671
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: he talks like what he talks like a white boy.

672
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's it was the course. Now

673
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: it's a blessing. Well, you know, it's interesting because I

674
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: knew in my middle school. I remember my teaching used

675
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: to always ask me to read, just always ask me

676
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: to read. And you know, people talk about bullying and

677
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: you know when you people are talking about they call

678
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 1: you snowflake. That was a trauma bully. And then so

679
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: it's it's popularized now because people are willing to talk

680
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: about it. But we all grew up in some form

681
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: of physical or mental abuse from high school kids or

682
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: people in the neighborhood. And my remember this, this this girl.

683
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: She made such a big deal that I was always

684
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: asked to read that. It almost, I have to say,

685
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: traumatized me because I went exactly the opposite. I wanted

686
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: to talk, I wanted to say, ain't I wanted to

687
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: have I wanted to slur my words. I wanted to

688
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: fit in. And so what you I bring that story

689
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: up because you talk about because you was hit with it.

690
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: You was hit, you know, talking why I didn't want

691
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: to act? Why you you're calling you snowflake? What kept

692
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: you focused? What kept you from from veering off like

693
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: I veered off? I veered off and I said, hey, man,

694
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: I want to fit in and not be me. You know,

695
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: I think it was I wrote about in the book

696
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: my mother. My mother really Sean, I mean she she

697
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: she kept us on the straight and narrow at the time. Uh,

698
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: we we resented the strictness. I mean, my mom. She

699
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: knew all of our friends, and she all of the parents.

700
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: We weren't allowed to stay out past you know, during

701
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: the week maybe nine o'clock, maybe on the weekends when

702
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: kids were going to parties and having fun. I was

703
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: doing oratorical contests and activities. And I went to in

704
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: high school, I think I probably went to maybe three

705
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: high school football games on Friday night. I just I didn't.

706
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: I grew up on a very tight leash, right um.

707
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: And and part of it was my mother overcompensating for

708
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: for my father not being the kind of dad that

709
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: he should have been. But part of it was Mom knew.

710
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: She knew back then, I think, kind of what it took.

711
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: She was a school teacher, then she went into an administration.

712
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: She knew what it took um to to shape and

713
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: mold young black boys, especially right, and and that was it.

714
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: Had it not been for her, had I grown up

715
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: in another house, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. Well,

716
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, writing your book, you know the book we're

717
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: talking for talking to interviewing Craig Melvin, his book Pops,

718
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Learning to Be a Son and the Father. Is it

719
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: because the fact that your father wasn't there, that she

720
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: may be overcompensated and wanted to make sure you didn't

721
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: you had a better life, or you pursued the options

722
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: even though I knew she went to college and think

723
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: in the age of twenty two is when she became

724
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: pregnant with you. But talk about that in the middle,

725
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: because as we talked about trying to shape you because

726
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: of the fact that you've been shaped by a lot

727
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: of people, especially to the stories we're gonna talk about

728
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: the the president incident when he was out of camp grades,

729
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: how that really kind of like started you in this

730
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: direction of humanizing all men, especially men who are incoss already.

731
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: Talk about your mom in her role versus your dad

732
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: role because you mentioned it just a little bit, but

733
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: that centers around us getting into the story and your

734
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: father changing his life at the age of sixty seven.

735
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: The mom mom mom. Mom had to play the role

736
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: of mom and dad for the better part of my childhood. Um,

737
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was a role that she

738
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: was Yeah, she was unfortunately well prepared for it because

739
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: she ended up she had to take care of her

740
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: three younger siblings. UM. When she was in college and

741
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: her father skipped out of the family, ended up essentially

742
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: dying on the streets and in squalor. But no a mom.

743
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Because my father was not physically present as often as

744
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: I would have liked, and my younger brother would have

745
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: liked my older brother as well. Mom stepped in the

746
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: trip to fill the gap. She filled She filled the boy.

747
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: And not just not just being present in a sense

748
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: of searing a little league games or soccer games or

749
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: or concerts, not just physically present, but but but emotionally

750
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: president right a spiritually present. I mean that the relationship

751
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: that I have h with God is because of my

752
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: mother's relationship with with So it was it was divine intervention.

753
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: You know, had I had any other mother, things would

754
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: not have gone the way that they did. But you know,

755
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: it's it's also and I write about in the book

756
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: as you know, and I do appreciate the fact that

757
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: you read the book. You'd be surprised how often to

758
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: talk to people about books and they hadn't read word one.

759
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: But I can tell you read the whole thing. And

760
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: I write about in the book. My father, I asked

761
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: him during the course of my my interviews with him

762
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: for the book I said, Pops, what was the most

763
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: money you ever wasted? M Without missing a beat, he

764
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: said it was about fifteen dollars back in nineteen six.

765
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: I said, that was a lot of money back then,

766
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: when you spend that money on he said, that's how much.

767
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: That's how much it cost to put my daddy in

768
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: the ground. And in that moment I realized, um, that

769
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: while I had been frustrated by the lack of relationship

770
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: I had with my dad, it was exponentially better than

771
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: the relationship he had with his own father. Right, he

772
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: know who Dad was until he was almost a teenager.

773
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: So it was it was wholly unrealistic of me to

774
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 1: expect him to be the kind of dad that I

775
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: had come to to to idolize. He couldn't be it

776
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: because he hadn't seen it, And you can't be something that.

777
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: It's really hard to be something. Yes, if if you

778
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, if you haven't been exposed

779
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 1: to it. So that's when my dad was up against

780
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, when I when I read the book, you know, um,

781
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: you know I heard shotgun House. Okay, I grew up

782
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: in there. I was born in the shotgun House. Two

783
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: very shotgun house. A lot of people. If you're listening

784
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: to the shotgun house, over to the front door, shoot

785
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: the gun out, to shotgun out, to go out the

786
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: front back door. Don't hit anything that's a shotgun house. Okay,

787
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: you reference pig feats. Grew up with big feasts, but man, hey, Greg,

788
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: I would touch but big feasts or part of my lifestyle.

789
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: And so that's the Southern I'm from Houston, Texas. I'm

790
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: from the South. It was it was a lifestyle that

791
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: was normal to me. But it was also a community

792
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: lifestyle of people taking care of each other. And that

793
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: was really important. Not only your dad, even though there

794
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: were some missteps, there were still people there to take

795
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: care of him, you know, to make sure he was focused,

796
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: to shout at him as he became an adult. There

797
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: were people in the community. That's really important in this

798
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: book that no matter what, there's some form of family

799
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: tied to your story, and the people in your life

800
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: talk about that. You know, it's a It's It's funny

801
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: because long before people started talking about it taking a village,

802
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: uh to to to rear a child, I had a village.

803
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't called that back back in the

804
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: eighties in South Carolina, back in the eighties and nineties

805
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: where I grew up and I had a village, and

806
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: and yes, there were a number of men who played

807
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: the role of dad along the way, my uncle James,

808
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: my uncle Jake, my uncle Frank Um. But there were

809
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: also a lot of women that that that played the

810
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: part as well. I was disciplined, and I think that's

811
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: the politically correct term I was. I was disciplined by

812
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: more women growing up than men, whether it's my mom

813
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: or one of my aunts and my grandma. I spent

814
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time with my two grandmothers growing up,

815
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: and they really shaped me in myriad ways that I

816
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: didn't fully appreciate until I was older. But and then

817
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: after that, I had coaches along the way. I always

818
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: God always blessed me with with with people along the road.

819
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Uh that that gave me a little part of something

820
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: that I was. I was able to take and build on.

821
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: It's difficult for young black men especially, it's it's difficult

822
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: to to learn how to carry yourself in this world,

823
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: um with without examples of it. And I had lots

824
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: of examples, thankfully along the way. But the reality is,

825
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: you know, Sean a lot of kids don't have that.

826
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: A lot of kids don't. They just you know, through

827
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: no fault of their own mind, you they they don't

828
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: have a mother or a father, or an uncle or

829
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: an aunt to take their hands on this journey of life.

830
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: And so they end up finding role models, uh that

831
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: they should not be held up, that should not be

832
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: on the battle store, and they begin to to emulate them.

833
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: You know. The thing I really like about your book

834
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: is that sometimes uh, because my father was a truck driver,

835
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, so you know when he wasn't driving trucks,

836
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: you know he was he was, he wasn't really connected

837
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: to me. I can I can tell you he was

838
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: my father. I can tell you that my mom was

839
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: there for me. My mom pushed me. My mom always

840
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: felt that could be somebody special in life. When your

841
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: father showed up for your ball game, that that remember.

842
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: You don't know if you got to hit a home

843
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: run and got I got struck out adver time you

844
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: went up the bat, but you remember that moment. And

845
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: then when your mom excuse you, when you thought, uh,

846
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: you had an entered early fatherhood. You know, those are

847
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: two moments that really I bring up those two moments prayer,

848
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: because despite of all the things we do in our life,

849
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: there are always memories that really some haunt people, some

850
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: inspire people. Your father showing up for your game and

851
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: your mom basically coming to the rescue because she did

852
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: something that enabled you to relax. Talk about those two

853
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: key moments of parenting. Even though your father wasn't there,

854
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: that was a key parenting moment that he provided for

855
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: you that stays with you today. It probably cares into

856
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: your parenty with your with your children today and then

857
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: your mom being there for you at a moment of doubt, frustration, fear.

858
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: But both of them were there at different times. I mean,

859
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: you're you're you're talking about Department book where I am.

860
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: I almost became a teenage father. I was almost a

861
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: statistic at the age of fourteen. Uh, you know that

862
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: I made a a bad choice. I made a bad choice.

863
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: And you know what, I write about it because I

864
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: wrote about it because I wanted people to understand. Uh,

865
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: there but for the grace of God go I and

866
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: and and and I think a lot of folks can

867
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: relate to this, this idea that you know, there's that

868
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: night or sometimes that day, but usually it's it's that

869
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: night where you went left, but you could have gone right, right, right,

870
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: and and and had you made a different decision, it

871
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: would have altered the course of your life in a

872
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: dramatic way. Um, that almost happened to me. I got lucky,

873
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: and and and at that point in my life, I

874
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: was I didn't have much of relationship with my father.

875
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: I was I was afraid of my mother. Uh, definitely afraid,

876
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: so I couldn't talk to her about it. And it

877
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: was a situation where you know, this young lady was

878
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: convinced she was pregnant, and I like, I had to

879
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: I had to do something. This was not one of

880
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: the situations where uh, in action was an option and

881
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: uh And I write in the book about how I

882
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: went to my my aunt, and it was my aunt

883
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: that finally convinced me that I had no choice but

884
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: to talk to my mother. But my mom has always

885
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: been long before we started calling people fixers, my mom

886
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: was a fixer, like it was. It was that that

887
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: honestly was an extreme example, But there were so many

888
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: other times in my life where I thought I was

889
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: out of option. I didn't know what I was gonna do,

890
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: and I prayed to God and put trust in Betty

891
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: Joe Melvine and and Betty Joe Melvine always came through

892
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: and still does now. Mind you in a different way,

893
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: my dad, you know, rute about that, that that part

894
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: in the book with Chean where he showed up at

895
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: my little league game, and the memory steed with me

896
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: because it was so rare to that point my dad. Um,

897
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: and and again now looking back on it, knowing what

898
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: we know about addiction, about it being a disease and

899
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: not a weakness, I understand why he wasn't there. I

900
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: understand why he had walled himself off from our family

901
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: and society at large. But back then I was a kid,

902
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: you know, I was a kid who one of my

903
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: my my dad to to be proud of me and

904
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: see me, uh and certainly watch watch my little league games.

905
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: And so when he showed up that evening, I saw

906
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: him down the third baseline there on the on the fence.

907
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: It's a it's a memory that that stayed with me

908
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: because it was so weird. That being said, now, um,

909
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: he's everywhere, like you know, he was up. Two weeks ago,

910
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: my son had a soccer game. My dad was right

911
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: there with me on the sideline and thirty seconds in

912
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: my my boy hadn't scored a goal all season, thirty

913
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: seconds in dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot score first

914
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: goal of the game. And and me and my pops

915
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: are half five and like he had just won a

916
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: green jacket. And Augusta looked at your children's eyes to

917
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: see the true magic of a forest. It's a storybook

918
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: world for them. You look and see a tree, They

919
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: see the ring, the face of a wizard with arms

920
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: outstretched to the sky. They see treasuring pebbles. They see

921
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: a windy path that could lead to adventure, and they

922
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: see you. They're fearless. Guide. Is this fascinating world? Find

923
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: a forest near you and start exploring. I discovered the

924
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: forest dot orgon brought to you by the United States

925
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: Forest Service and the Council you know, um it was

926
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: the book is um an emotional book? I would say

927
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: you emotional because I told people when I get a

928
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: book like this, after slow read it because sometimes they

929
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: hit points where I go, I'm about to about to

930
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: go there, I'm not let me finish this moment. And um,

931
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: because I remember a moment with my dad. Uh two,

932
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: when I own a comedy club and my dad had

933
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: never ever been to anything I've been, and he just

934
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: showed up at the comedy club and uh, it was

935
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,879
Speaker 1: sold out and looked at the lobbists. What you're doing,

936
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: your dad, He goes, I come to see my son.

937
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: And he looked around. He looked, wow, did you did you?

938
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: Did you? And I went, uh, yes, sir, yes, sir.

939
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: You know because I always said sir to my dad

940
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: and uh and he said, he said, I'm proud of

941
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: your son, and and and like I said, this is

942
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: because that's what the book did to me as a dad.

943
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: Because when you start talking about incarceration, and you talked

944
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: about when we're talking, you said earlier, right, turn, left,

945
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: turn those turns. I always say that. When I was

946
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: in college, you know you you played a fraternity. I

947
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: played to make a side fire, and you always do

948
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: stupid things. I remember the Big Brothers said we want

949
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: some plants. Well, we didn't have no money, and so

950
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: I remember just this giant open field where they had

951
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: plants back in the day, and reminded the Lyon brothers.

952
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: We went and stole these plants. Man. I mean, if

953
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: you look back on the Craig from the freeway, you

954
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: would have seen those running across this field with these plants. Okay,

955
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: So anybody could have went, what are those black dudes

956
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: boys doing running with all these giant plants? And I

957
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: had a little Fiat X one nine, which is a

958
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 1: two seater, and the truck was in the front, so

959
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: I had to put the plants in the front, and

960
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: we were black and my wain see you. So all

961
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: along the way I could have stopped and stopped by

962
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: the police and been incarcerated, and my life could have changed.

963
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: On that right turn left turn that you were talking

964
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: about earlier, you are meeting men who have done something

965
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: far worse than what I've talked about, but they have

966
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: made a mistake. And sometimes because they made a mistake,

967
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: we don't give them a second chance because we feel

968
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: that they're unworthy of that second chance. And then in

969
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: your book you talk about guess what they are fathers too.

970
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that journey of you doing a story

971
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: I think basically changed your life, and it started with

972
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: Camp Grace. Yeah, it was one of the most impactful

973
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: stories I've ever done. Uh, there's a I don't even

974
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: remember how we found out about this camp. But um,

975
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: I was probably reading some article in an obscure publication

976
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: about this um summer camp at a maximum security prison

977
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: in uh California, Selena, a state valley. Brion was the

978
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 1: name of the facility, and for one week every summer

979
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: UM they bring in about a dozen or so kids

980
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: to basically have a camp experience with their dads. I mean,

981
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, arts and crafts, and they play games, and

982
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: they sing songs and they do all the stuff that

983
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: at a camp. And these kids are between the ages

984
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: of you know, seven or eight and in fifteen or sixteen,

985
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: and the guys who are part of the program have

986
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: to um exhibit good behavior for a full year. The

987
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: camp is a it's a privilege. And um I went

988
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: out and spend some time talking to these guys and

989
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: it ended up being just an emotional day because these

990
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: these are being First of all, most of them are

991
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: not going to be getting out of prison. I mean

992
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: they've some of them have have have been convicted of

993
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: doing some pretty heinous things. Um. But the two women

994
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: that started the camp, both of their husbands were incarcerated

995
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: and consequently weren't really a part of the child's lives.

996
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: They would get the occasional visit, you know, on the weekend,

997
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: and you've got the glass, and but they weren't able

998
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: to really be a part of the child's lives. So

999
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: they came up inside there for a camp and I

1000
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: talked to one of the guys out there, and I

1001
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: asked him the question I knew a lot of people

1002
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: are going to be asking when they watched them or

1003
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 1: read the story. How can someone um accused of some

1004
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: of the things these guys were accused of. How in

1005
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: what universe do they deserve the right to spend time

1006
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: with with it with the child And without missing a beat,

1007
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: he said to me, tears in his eyes. Um, they

1008
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: might be right. I may not deserve it, but you

1009
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: know what credit my kids do. My kids deserved to

1010
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: know their father. They didn't do anything wrong, they didn't

1011
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: make any bad choices. Uh. And his larger point, and

1012
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: I think this was just a valid If we're serious

1013
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: about stopping the prison pipeline that we always talked about, UH,

1014
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: then we need to make sure the kids of of

1015
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: incarcerated individuals have relationships with them. He spent a fair

1016
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: amount of his time talking to his daughter about choices,

1017
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: making good choices, not ending up where he ended up.

1018
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: It's a fantastic program, and it moved me. It also

1019
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: moved me, Sean because my grandmother, and it's the first

1020
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: line in the book. Not to give way too much,

1021
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: but you know, my my grandmother. Uh now what I

1022
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: knew her. She was here, she was going to church

1023
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: at the church or coming home from church. Like she

1024
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: she only loved the Lord, but apparently long before I

1025
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: came along. But this just just say she's a bootleg.

1026
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: I want to give it. No more than that. Just

1027
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: say she's a bootleg. I don't want to give her

1028
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: the earther part, Okay, See a bootlegger. She was a bootlegger.

1029
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: She was a bootlegger. And and and and got a

1030
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: second CHANCEY did. And had she not gotten the second chance,

1031
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: who's to say whether I would be here right now,

1032
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: you know. But here's the thing I want to point

1033
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: out about that now his grandmother was in the same

1034
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: jail that Martha Stewart was in. So she got how

1035
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: many chances as she's got, Okay, but in the same

1036
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: facility now. And so so when I when I when

1037
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: I read the book, and and and and and it's

1038
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: like he said, an emotional journey because it's your story.

1039
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: But it's a relatable story because I remember when my

1040
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: younger brother was incarcerated in California and UH Glass talking

1041
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: and uh and I was in tears and and and

1042
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: he told me he couldn't cry. He's I reashed. I

1043
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: I can't cry. I keep they can't, he said, I can't.

1044
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: And my nicknames Ricky, Ricky. I can't cry because they

1045
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: see me crying out here. I pay a price when

1046
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: I go back inside. And in that book, you know, gentle,

1047
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: when you interview and he said, look, he said, thank god,

1048
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: I have a sale by myself because now I can't cry.

1049
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: And so I love the fact that you were humanizing

1050
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: people because we we see these we see this, we

1051
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: see the violent size, and nobody is trying to downplay that.

1052
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: But we have made mistakes. There are people on the

1053
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: other side of this that have to deal with the emotions.

1054
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: These are kids, and like one of them said, look, um,

1055
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: it's all right early on when you're playing cards and

1056
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: you playing catch, but when they become teens, the conversation

1057
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: becomes different. And that's what fatherhood is all about, which

1058
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: leads to your whole life or being a father, being

1059
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: connected to your dad and not being a present day father.

1060
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, correct. You know what I think

1061
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: that I think that you can be shaped by negative examples, Uh,

1062
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Speaker 1: just as much as you can be shaped by positive examples.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think in so many instances, maybe even

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Speaker 1: more so. So. You know, growing up, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: the kind of man that I wanted to be. I

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Speaker 1: didn't certainly know the kind of father that I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be. But up until a few years ago, I

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Speaker 1: knew I didn't want to be anything of anything like

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00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: my dad. Yes, uh, and and and and that was

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Speaker 1: what what motivated me personally and professionally, probably to a

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Speaker 1: certain extent now that I'm talking about it. But no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's funny because I have to remind my

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: kids sometimes and I have a job, and and and

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00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: consequently I I cannot be at their back and call

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: uh day and night. Because you know, when my dad

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: was there when we were younger, it was it was big,

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00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: like it was a wedding or funeral or graduation or

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00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: that that Little League game that I write about that

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00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: I remember because it was so weird. Dad didn't show

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00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: up with stuff. In part because he worked third shift

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00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: at the post office, but in larger part because because

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00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: of the addiction issues that he had um So as

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00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: a result, I'm going to the other end of the spectrum.

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00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: So if you know, I'm there for soccer games and

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00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: my daughter had a gymnastics recital last Sunday morning, and

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00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: some I'm physically present as often as and as much

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00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: as I can do you know, pick I do school

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00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: pick up and trying to do it all because you know,

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00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: my dad didn't do any other no. No. The problem

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00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: that that that you create when you do that, and

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: it took me a while to pickure this out. I've

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00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: created expectations. So if if I'm not there to go

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: that has got to travel for work, well daddy, why

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00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: can't you can you take a later flight? And they

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00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: can you go tomorrow? And I've had to say a

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00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: few times, you know that it's the job that pays

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00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: for all of this. You don't get to go to

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00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: dance or you don't get to go to soccer if

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Speaker 1: that is not hopping on playing. So that that's the

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00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: that's the that's the the unfortunate part. But they're you know,

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00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: they're starting to understand, but It's funny as you become

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Speaker 1: a parent, how you at some point become you become

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00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: the kind of for me at least the kind of

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00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: father that I used to mock. Yes, hate it. With

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00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: my dad, we talk about, you know, how much something costs?

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00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: You don't have money, and and when we were younger,

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00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: we didn't like he wasn't lying, like we knew we

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00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of money when we had enough.

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00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: With my kids, you know, I've said a few times

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00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: and we can't afford this, and myself, as I'm missing

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00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: the beato, say yes we can, you can, and I'm like,

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: and then you then you find yourself trying to come

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00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: up with a new excuse like, uh, well maybe we

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00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: can't afford it, but that we don't need it. You

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00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: don't need that, right right right. It's hardy. And I

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00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: know we're about to wrap up, and I want to

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Speaker 1: bring up a very um a fun moment as a parent,

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: and I want to share with you because you wrote

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00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: about it. When your son climbed into bed and you know,

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Speaker 1: and then your kids when they sleep. If you if

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Speaker 1: you don't have kids, children off you got a very

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00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: young child when they climb in the bed, they forget

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Speaker 1: you in bed. They kids about the worst sleepers in

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Speaker 1: the world, espencially when they get that six to ten

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01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: years of age, we were a sleeping And so when

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Speaker 1: you said that in the book, you said, you you

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,919
Speaker 1: may miss that. I remember I talked to my daughter

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Speaker 1: when she was like seventeen and said, hey, what you what?

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Speaker 1: You're hopping bad and watching TV? Ship what you're talking about?

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01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I said, you know, can we not watching TV? Can

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01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: we not watch TV? Together? And then we used to go,

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Speaker 1: I don't do that no more, Dad, No, no, we're

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Speaker 1: not doing that. So I would tell you this, Craig,

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Speaker 1: that moment brought brought laughter to me. It brought back

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Speaker 1: memories as your book, you know, the amazingly good book

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Speaker 1: Pops Learning to Be a Son and the Father. Man. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a great read. And like I said, it slowed me.

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01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: And I said, the words slowed me because I was

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01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: becoming emotional because, like I said, my father was a

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01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: beer drinker. My father worked hard as a truck driver.

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01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: My father, like I said, was he in my life?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, But did he shape me to be

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01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: the man I am today? Yes he did, because he

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01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: had a role in it. And that that role has

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01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: made me to be the man I am. I like

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01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: to believe. I'm a good parent to my daughter, a

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01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: good husband of my wife. And those are the things

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01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,479
Speaker 1: that that the stories that you tell out of this book,

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01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: from the incarcerated to individuals who raised you as a family,

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01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: the community, and whether teachers who shaped you as third grade,

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01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: teachers who shaped you as as you go through life

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01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: and you went to school and you didn't wanna They

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01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: want to shame your ancle when you didn't pledge cap outside.

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Speaker 1: But it was all good. Man. I love your book, Craig.

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Speaker 1: I want to appreciate you for putting it out there. Man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for your time. I've enjoyed this conversation.

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Speaker 1: You're very good at what you do. Thank you for

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01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: having Okay, we talked soon, man, I'm gonna put this

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Speaker 1: on I got look, I got a nice little social

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Speaker 1: media I'm gonna put that out there and my news letter.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get that out there for you, Okay, Craig,

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Speaker 1: Rodney Scott is the barbecue pit master James Beard Award

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