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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 1: guest today is Derek Hunter. Derek is a columnist for

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Speaker 1: town Hall, author of the book Outrage, Inc. Podcaster and

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Speaker 1: radio hosts at WMAL and DC, and someone who has

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Speaker 1: had eighty one jobs and counting. Hi, Derek, so nice

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Speaker 1: to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Carol, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I mean eighty one. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: You'd want to talk about lost souls? That's it your

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Speaker 2: flounder around. You start off when you're fifteen, keep it

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Speaker 2: score of softball games and losing track of what's going

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Speaker 2: on in those games and get fired for that. Then

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Speaker 2: drawing lines on the softball field with chalker and they

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Speaker 2: go like this because it's much easier to guess what

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Speaker 2: a line looks like than to hammer in the chalk line. Okay,

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Speaker 2: my entire teen years were looking wait for those jobs

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Speaker 2: one and two, the job one and like four. It

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Speaker 2: was a couple of jobs in between. I made sandwiches.

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Speaker 2: I was a bus boy. I was worked at a subshop.

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Speaker 2: I was a bus boy. I was a waiter. I

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Speaker 2: worked maintenance at a trailer park.

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Speaker 1: You.

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Speaker 2: I was a maid for an hour. Literally, I was

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Speaker 2: hired by merrymaids. It's desperate for a job. I was

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Speaker 2: like eighteen years old, aimless, went and watched the train

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Speaker 2: fill out paperwork, watched the training video came out about

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Speaker 2: an hour after the paperworking all, and there's my crew

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Speaker 2: looked at him and I said, I can't. I forget it,

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Speaker 2: and I walked out and they mailed me a check

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Speaker 2: for like five dollars in change. Nice, So I've done.

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Speaker 1: What was the weirdest job you've had? Or is that it?

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Speaker 2: The maid This is a difficult one to even explain.

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Speaker 2: When I was a while I was in college, I

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Speaker 2: found a job on a message board somewhere online, back

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Speaker 2: with the internet. Was all I love that. I drove

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Speaker 2: around to sixteen area hotels five days a week and

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Speaker 2: read the events board into a micro cassette recorder and

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Speaker 2: then I yeah, like, okay, you know, breakout session this room.

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Speaker 2: It was just stupid. And then once a week I

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Speaker 2: would FedEx set out to a woman in Utah who

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Speaker 2: transcribed it for I assume. I never really found out.

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Speaker 2: It might have been an elaborate money laundering team, but

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Speaker 2: it was for a newsletter where hotels could subscribe and

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Speaker 2: then steal business from each other because they would see

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Speaker 2: that all these companies having their meetings at this particular

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Speaker 2: hotel every three months or whatever, so they try and steal.

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Speaker 2: That's the best I could do. I've never literally spoke.

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Speaker 2: I never spoke to.

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Speaker 1: Anybody, never asked, I never spoke.

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Speaker 2: I answered that ad I met the guy who was

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Speaker 2: doing the job at a diner, had breakfast, drove around

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Speaker 2: to the hotels. He said, do you want it? I

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Speaker 2: said sure. It was like two hours worth of work

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Speaker 2: for four hundred and twenty five dollars.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's something very suspicious.

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Speaker 2: And he slid me a folder with the hotels and everything,

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Speaker 2: and a bunch of micro cassettes and a bunch of

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Speaker 2: labels for FedEx. I took it. I did it. I

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Speaker 2: did it probably for two years. I got to the point,

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Speaker 2: this is terrible. I would go and just go up

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Speaker 2: work there, and I'd get the entire week's worth of

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Speaker 2: events on Monday, and I would just be done. I'd

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Speaker 2: work one day instead of five days. And then I

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Speaker 2: had so many of it, so much of it repeated

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Speaker 2: and weddings. I just made it up sometimes, I just

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Speaker 2: this is why my attitude was so bad. This is

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Speaker 2: how you get eighty one job is you get the

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Speaker 2: easiest tap in put of a job and you go,

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Speaker 2: I bet I can do it even lazier than it

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Speaker 2: actually is, and you do that. But I kept a

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Speaker 2: to Baltimore, after I graduated. That's I did it five

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Speaker 2: and then I just kind of quit.

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Speaker 1: How do you know I should get it to a.

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Speaker 2: Friend of mine who was lazier than me and couldn't

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Speaker 1: How do you know you weren't like sending this to

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they could do with it. You

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Speaker 2: three on Saturday at noon, like if you need that information, crash.

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Speaker 2: All that information, Carol is online now. But it was

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Speaker 2: I have is it online now?

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Speaker 1: It's not really like hotels don't post like we're going

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you could get my phone, especially if you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think I think you could

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even know. I don't remember what the company

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Speaker 2: did some old lady or some woman's name. No, nowadays

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Speaker 2: off to Utah. I never heard a complaint. The check

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Speaker 2: was mail. This was long before direct deposit, and I

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Speaker 2: int coordinated via email and I got a seventy five

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Speaker 2: raise to five hundred dollars after like a year. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: It was because I asked for it and it was

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Speaker 2: just an email and they said yes, And that was

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Speaker 1: So how did you get into media from this?

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Speaker 2: It's a natural progression, obviously. The script writes itself.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I was actually thinking you should write a movie

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Speaker 1: about this, about what you think is actually happening on

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Speaker 1: the other side of receiving those tapes.

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Speaker 2: In the mail, I could my just professional story, not

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Speaker 2: in a private life too, would be just a very

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Speaker 2: long cautionary tale. I've made the mistakes so you don't

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Speaker 2: After I graduated college in December of two thousand, I

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Speaker 2: set it up so it was, yeah, it's like, there's

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Speaker 2: no you're not. I was taking it with a full load.

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Speaker 2: So my last semester, that extra semester was just German, like,

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Speaker 2: where you learned your horrible German. And so I graduated.

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Speaker 2: I got a job in the bookstore at the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 2: It was on the fourth floor, so nobody coming in.

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Speaker 2: You're just answering phone calls in two thousand and one, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I started doing media hits from there. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: know if the Statute of Limitations has run out been

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Speaker 2: There's definitely a lot of felonies there. A friend of

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Speaker 2: So why I didn't have a phone. So when I

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Speaker 2: Hunter Radio started like what is that? I don't want

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Speaker 2: It was great because I got basically Wednesdays off and

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Speaker 1: back on the Carol Markowitz Show. Give us a five

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Speaker 1: year out. Prediction can be about anything at.

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Speaker 2: All, however good I don't know, in politics, or.

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Speaker 2: There's something you're holding on to right now that you

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Speaker 1: All of my son's legos.

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Speaker 2: They're an investment. Look, I have a bunch of baseball

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Speaker 2: There's still worth more than I paid. But if you

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Speaker 2: I think it's fifty six thousand sheiba anew coins, which

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm rich. If it doesn't, it's three hundred dollars I

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Speaker 1: So what is it worth now?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not worth anything. It's still so.

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Speaker 1: Your three hundred has now, I mean, but how much

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Speaker 2: I think it's still right around this. It was up

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Speaker 1: But yeah, sure find out. Well, Derek, I have loved

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Speaker 1: this conversation. I you're hilarious. I kind of knew that,

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Speaker 1: bigger level. But you're very, very funny. I really love

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Speaker 1: us here with your best tip from my listeners on

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Speaker 1: how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 2: Hang around with smart people and find someone like me

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Speaker 2: who's already made all the mistakes and listen to them.

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Speaker 2: We're not trying to screw you over. The stove is hot.

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Speaker 2: It will burn your hand. You don't need to figure that.

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Speaker 2: Not everybody needs to touch it and lose their fingerprints.

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Speaker 2: Don't take advantage of the people who have done it

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you find that in the same person. But

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Speaker 2: if you think you know everything, that's when you're at

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Speaker 1: I love that learn from other people's mistakes. He is

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Speaker 1: Derek Hunter. Check him out at town Hall and at WML.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on, Derek, Thanks for

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