WEBVTT - QB Draft Class Deep Dive with Jon Ledyard 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.800 Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always trying not to 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:09.920 reach for quarterbacks. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:10.880 I'm Greg Rosenthal. 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.560 I'm in the Chris Westling podcast studio, and I am 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:18.919 joined by one of the best minds in the podcasting 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.520 writing game. It's John Ledyard. He's got the Audibles and 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:28.640 Analytics substack. He's got a great podcast with Ali Connolly. John, 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:29.560 What is happening? 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:32.960 Man? Not too much? Thank you for the kind words. 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:34.919 First of all, always fun to be on here with 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:36.920 you and talking some ball. I believe last time we 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:41.519 talked we ranked in tiered tight ends. A lot of 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.360 backlash for that, so I'm excited to I'm sure get 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:46.120 no backlash for today's podcast. 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:48.479 No, and I don't even know if we're gonna rank it. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.400 We're gonna talk quarterback. So I've been not pimping but 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.600 getting ready for this week now for a while saying, 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.440 like you know, we're getting into the draft. It's been 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.160 a slow process. I got the weekly show with Daniel Jeremiah. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.760 Audibles and Analytics is another one that people should check 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.759 out with you and Ali, DJ and I are on Thursdays. 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.280 But like now, it's go time. We are two and 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:14.080 a half weeks out from the draft. Every day now 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.720 is draft, and we're going to talk quarterbacks today and 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:21.720 kind of keep it specifically two quarterbacks, and I'm not 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.760 gonna put you and make you do a ranking, but 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.680 we'll talk about good fits and we'll kind of order 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.160 him in some sort of way. And I guess we 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.959 might as well just start at the top now because 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.160 we've talked draft. It's not like cam Ward has not 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.720 come up on this show. But I don't I don't 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:40.600 think we've dived deep into what makes him special? Kind 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:44.280 of what was your journey with cam Ward as a 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.560 prospect and where did you land in terms of like 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.720 how special do you think he is? 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.120 Yeah, the profile is weird right away, right twenty three 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.720 year old rookie. He'll be three different schools, so you're 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.160 already like, O, guess maybe it's red flag right now. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:03.120 One of the schools was Incarnate word, which yeah, yeah. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:06.000 Which is necessarily what you traditionally think of as the trajectory. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.160 But you know, the multiple school thing, you know we're 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:10.480 starting to move with that's more normal. Three is still 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.840 you know, being an older rookiees And I to be 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.959 honest with you, Greg, like people just didn't talk about 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.920 caim Ward like a special should be the top overall 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.000 pick even the beginning of the season. So to say 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:22.840 it's come out of nowhere isn't fair because he's been 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.639 on the radar for everybody for a long time. We've 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.520 known the skill set and the traits are interesting. I 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.600 think this year he got better in some really key 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:31.840 ways though, which makes him you know, he's my top quarterback. 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.400 I think he's most people's top quarterback the NFL. Generally, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:36.400 everything we hear is, yeah, this guy's going first, and 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.720 almost every team has him first, and it's not that 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.720 close to in a tier by himself type of guy 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.240 and in this class I think now. I think one 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.919 of the things that it's really interesting is one of 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:47.680 the things he did really poorly in the past was 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.680 managed the pocket, and this is still an area of 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.840 growth for him and where he needs to continue to 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:53.639 grow in a lot. But I mean, his pressure to 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.120 Zach Ray went down this year fifteen point nine percent 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.560 was a big step in the right direction for him. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.120 So that just it's the ability to manage the game 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:02.920 a little bit better now. His footwork he still need 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.480 some work in terms of being able to set up 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.920 the right way. This guy is so lax and the 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.440 details sometimes and he can get away within the college 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:11.000 ball and he might be able to do it some 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:12.600 of the NFL. Some of these guys do do it 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.239 in the NFL, and he's a pretty great arm. I 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.240 don't think he's quite that special so from a talent perspective, 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.520 so I do think he needs to continue to develop 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.720 in those ways. But watching some of the processing stuff 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.040 get faster, and the other key thing, I think he 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.040 just throws to every spot on the field like he 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.520 will throw in breakers with anticipation, which to me show 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.200 there's a lot of development and growth there. He's playing 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.320 a little bit of a step ahead right now, so 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:37.320 encouraging signs in the right direction and some really key 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.040 areas of quarterback play this past season where why I 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.120 think he's really not only is easy the best in 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.000 the class, but he's moving in the right direction. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:45.720 Right It is funny. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:50.440 I love the draft community, and yet you really don't 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.440 know where these players are going to land until pretty 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.720 late in the process. I remember RG three, there was 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.440 no one saying that he was gonna be going top 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.640 two until very late in that season, and not to 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.080 pick on him. But I remember like a podcast episode 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.560 Jim Naggy was on who knows more about these prospects 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.360 than anyone? He was running the Senior Bowl for many years, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.120 and he was on with Mickshaye and he was talking 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.359 in the middle of this season, Hey, don't count on 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.800 cam Ward as a first round pick. Like the reason 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.240 he went back to school was teams were telling Amy 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.560 was a fifth or sixth round pick if he was 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.599 going to come out last year. He actually wasn't even 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.839 going to be invited to the Senior Bowl, which is 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.760 crazy to think. And now he's the number one overall pick, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.080 and A, you don't know how a player is going 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.039 to develop, and then B you don't really know how 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.200 teams are going to look at him. And I think 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.160 when they look at his tape from this season and 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.640 I dove into it, there's so much to be excited about. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:53.679 I mean, putting a far of comparison on someone is crazy, 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.520 but because he definitely doesn't have like that arm, but 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.359 in terms of the taking the chances, but enough of 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:02.720 a pocket fe like a better scrambler and athlete than 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.120 he is, like a runner like you, than he's sort 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:09.360 of being given credit for and just making it all happen. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.320 Like I'm in Like he's going to add a lot 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.320 of value to my life, John, That's what I care 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:16.880 most about. I think he's going to be box office 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.160 and he's gonna be a fun player to watch. And 0:05:19.160 --> 0:05:22.000 that level of chill that you described in terms of 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.080 how relax he is back there, I think there is 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.320 there's some negatives to it, but there's some positives to 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.279 it as well. He's certainly like not afraid of the 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.080 pass rush, and I think he plays in such a 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.719 relaxed way it makes you think at least that mentally, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.159 I think he's he's got a lot going on where 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.520 the game is not too fast for him, certainly after 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:41.719 all that college experience. 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:44.560 Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is everything's just 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.679 sort of slowed down for him, Like he just feels 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.000 more confident. Even from the beginning of the season to 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.560 the end of the season. I think we saw that 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.440 a lot, Like there was a lot of notable things 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:54.799 in the early in the season where he was drifting 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:56.320 around in the pocket, he was a little bit unsure 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.240 planning on time, and then as the season went on, 0:05:58.320 --> 0:05:59.760 he was playing his best ball. He was getting the 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.280 ball more on time. So there's definitely things to work on. 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.359 This is not the most home run quarterback prospect that 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:08.960 we've seen there by any stretch of the imagination. There 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:10.920 are things that he needs to get better at. There 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.360 is bus potential here even I would think I would say, 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.280 I don't know that that's not what I'm betting on happening, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.680 But I think it's important to acknowledge that it's more 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.279 possible here than it is with a lot of qb 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.039 ones and other drafts. Not necessarily because this draft is 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.480 so bad, just sort of because who Ward is as 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.680 a player. There are some things about his game that 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.400 I said have improved, but ultimately he will throw it 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:32.840 to the other team at times, and he will take 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.200 risks with the ball that he shouldn't, and those sorts 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.400 of things combined with if the pocket stuff doesn't get better, 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.360 because right now, he's getting the ball out on time more, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.640 he's not taking sacks more than he wants to, but 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.440 he's still making some questionable decisions, and he's still not 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.360 setting up properly all the time. His setup is really 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.600 kind of all over the place terms how he throws. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.839 He doesn't mind drifting back and throwing off his back foot, 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.640 and he and Sanders honestly have some similarities in their weaknesses. 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:58.760 They're different in terms of their strengths, but in some 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.720 terms of their weaknesses. Ward can get away with some 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.240 of those messy footwork things a little bit, but I 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.000 don't think, like I said, that it's going to be 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.000 quite at that level where it's so special doesn't matter 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.840 what his feet look like. I still think he needs 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.720 to get better at some of those details. So and 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.200 if he doesn't, it's the type of thing that could 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.560 lead to like pretty big lapses in offense where he's 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.840 not going to be able to be just to manage 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.960 the situation type of player. He's going to be a 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.080 baller and that's either gonna work or it isn't. And 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.720 so there is some bust potential just in his profile 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:28.280 as a player. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.000 Ray I'm trying to think of someone else that would 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.120 just be described as as chill as he is. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.800 I mean, Sanders has some of sure. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.360 I mean Cam had a little bit of that that 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.120 he was just so big that he sort of didn't 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.640 care what was happening around it. Ryan Tannehill weirdly just 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.480 was kind of chill back back there if he wanted, 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.520 but not like the same, sort of like loose athlete. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.040 The thing is, if you're grading the flashes, you see 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.360 it all. You do see anticipation. You do see him 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.720 going through his reads. You see him kind of lock 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.239 in and lock out in games. But that shows me like, Okay, 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.960 maybe if the competition in the NFL, maybe he can 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.000 lock in a little more consistency consistently. Let's think about 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.280 the fit with the Titans, because I haven't really asked 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:14.200 anyone about this or thought about it too much and 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:18.000 don't think I'm the right person to give an answer 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.240 for it. Him. With Brian Callahan, I feel like there 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.440 hasn't been a lot of talk of like, Okay, how 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.240 do you think that works? I'm not really sure what 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:29.240 a Brian Callahan offense is, so that's part of the 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.040 difficulty here. But how do you think, with what you 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.160 know about Callahan and the Titans, like how that fits together? 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.680 It's really interesting because Callahan, you know, was with Burrow 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.600 and then got to Tennessee and not that surprisingly, I guess, 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.719 but trying to run totally different stuff than what he 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.560 ran with Burrow, Like it wouldn't look anything like the 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.080 offense the Bengals run. Not that not that really anybody 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.880 looks like the offense the Bengals ran. So he I 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.120 really have no idea. Like he was with Will Levis 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:56.760 and that didn't work, and so it was kind of like, Okay, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.840 it was more traditional stuff. I think my guess is 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:02.560 that that would be I think the thing with Callian 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:04.880 is he'll build the offense around the player and Ward. 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.600 Obviously you didn't work under center, So is a lot 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.360 of like gonna be a lot of gun stuff. I 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.000 think will look just like a spread it around the 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.640 yard and throw it around everywhere, like Joe Burrow did. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:16.800 I don't think that's in the cards. To me, that 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:18.880 would be really surprising if they made it look just 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.120 like that. Is word going to have to do some 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:24.680 more traditional quarterback stuff that he hasn't done before. I 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.880 don't know. This is the most unknown fit of a 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.800 top team in quarterback that I can remember in a 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:32.880 long time, because I don't know how the Titans even 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.880 in so recently. I don't think people thought they thought 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.920 of him this way. I don't know how they see him. 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.000 I don't know what they see as being the best 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.160 fit for him. I don't think anything Callahan's really done 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.440 in the past the past year with the Titans or 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.040 with the Bengals is going to be particularly Maybe I'll 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.360 be wrong, but I think we don't think it's going 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.040 to be particularly informative to us in terms of guessing 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.000 what he'll look like, what it'll look like with cam Ward, 0:09:55.280 --> 0:09:56.960 other than to say I think there will be a 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.320 lot of the gun elements, but I bet that there's 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.640 some more. I mean, they ran a lot. There's a 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.920 lot of RPOs in Miami's offense, like you know, I 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.760 think there'll be some of that still in Tennessee's offense 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.800 as well. But I am fascinated to know how much 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.640 he's going to ask him Ward to be more traditional. 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.240 Is there going to be dropback stuff? Is there going 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.040 to be play action stuff where he goes under center 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.679 and like right, I really don't know if that's part 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.280 of it. That's going to be so amazing to see 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.160 if Ward can do that, because there's a guy who's 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.600 been three different places and transformed himself and changed and 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.120 adapted over the years. But that would be at another 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:29.360 leap for him right out of the gate. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.760 On paper, No, I mean meet him where he is, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.240 meet him where he is and build an offense around 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.920 his strengths. And he was very good at the RPO stuff, 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.560 and like I said, I think he'll be box office 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.880 And then you keep adding that it's like it's like 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.480 they did such a good job with Jayden and Daniels 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.360 accentuating his strength. A very different player than Jade Daniels. 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.080 He's gonna have a lot of turnovers. I mean, he 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:54.120 just is as a rookie. But to me, I want 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.400 a player that's gonna entertain me. And so maybe it's 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.200 the Tennessee of it all, but he's there's like a 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.840 little Cutler, Like I knew Cutler would entertain me as 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.160 a pro and he absolutely did. And I think Ward 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.040 might might end up fitting into that archetype of People 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.560 have compared him a little bit to Jordan Love Either way, Like, 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.840 I think he's going to be fun to watch and 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:15.520 so he's going to be starting right away and hopefully 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:16.920 they do meet him where he is. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.240 All right, let's talk about Shoulder. 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.079 So the consensus second quarterback in this class, but I 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:27.280 think the differing opinions are mostly about do you just 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:32.560 group Shoulder with Jackson Dart and Tyler Shuck and the 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.480 rest of this crew as like kind of a second group. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.240 I know our friend Nate Tice does, for instance, he 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.320 just thinks the rest of the group are varying levels 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.679 of day two dart throws and shoulders in that group. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.440 Or do you kind of see him a tier above 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.480 not really thinking about where he's going to go because 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.200 he's almost certainly going to go in the first round somewhere, 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:57.360 I think, but just more of the total evaluation because 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.199 it's such a hard he's a tricky evaluation. 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:00.800 He is. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.920 He's an interesting player. I think the player that he 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.840 most compares to. We didn't talk about this too much 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.200 with Ward, I think, but with Sanders, I think the 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.240 player most compares to is brock Purty at his best, 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.200 if he can be at his peak. I think they're 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.280 both guys who take a little bit of time to 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.439 make decisions. They have sort of a moxie about how 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.439 they play and a confidence about how they play. They 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.439 like to hold the ball. They aren't gonna be amazing 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:25.960 testing athletes. I don't think aybody wants them to be like, oh, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.560 they're amazing, Like they're just so athletic and so springy, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.320 and twitchy, and but when it comes to functional mobility 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.960 for their position, I think they both have enough. Party 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.240 is probably a little more athletic than Sanders, I think, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.120 but I think they have enough to manage and to 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.480 get by. They do some un orthodox things in terms 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.559 of how they manage the pocket and playing on time, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.319 but they throw really accurate balls, and they throw and 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.240 they throw despite not having great arms, they throw the 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.760 ball well. So I think they're If Sanders can reach 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.200 his peak, it'll be something like brock Purty. Now, brock 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.000 Perry's in a great situation. He's got some of the 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.680 best teammates in the entire NFL that certainly he got 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.120 some of the best coaching in the league. All that 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.640 is aided the profile and what he's see somewhere in 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.840 that probably twelve to eighteen range as terms the best 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.840 quarterbacks in the league somewhere in there. So maybe that's 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.520 the ceiling for Sanders, But I see him pretty similar 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.160 doubt Nate does it sounds like and just that thinking 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:15.920 that at least he and Dart are really different, really different, 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.680 but maybe the same tier. To me, Sanders is sharp mentally, 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.760 whereas Dart, I think, continues to need to develop from 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.600 the neck up. And with Sanders, I love that he 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:27.480 looks like he's played quarterback for a long time and 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.520 that part, yeah, is natural to him. The accuracy in 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.520 the ball plays in a natural but I think that 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.600 there's real concerns over his arm strength and his time 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:37.880 to throw in the pocket, just how long it takes 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.280 him to make decisions. He knows what to do. He 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.720 just likes to play this like hero mentality ball, where 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.360 he's probably gonna take shots and he doesn't mind getting 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.440 hit at all and he'll just let himself get lined 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.360 up and cleaned out in that way. Yeah, it reminds 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:52.960 me of Cam Newton and that he would just take 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.920 massive shots to make plays. So I think Sanders has 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.240 some of that without really any of the physical tools that. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.040 Newton has right at some point that it's going to 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.599 come back to get you just taking the types of 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:08.080 hits that he did. And their offensive line was terrible overall, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.720 I mean it really was, especially at the tackles, but 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.840 there were certainly plays where what you're talking about comes 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.800 into play where he's the one really just inviting that 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.560 pressure and he tries to be a playmaker and he's 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:23.920 not a great playmaker. The best plays are definitely the 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.960 ones that are in structure. It always worries me if 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.720 you're betting on intangibles, and I just think it's such 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.520 a hard evaluation because he's been coached the same way 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:34.120 this whole time. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.160 He is a good quarterback. 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:39.800 It's like, does Travis Hunter like even out like lifting 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.920 him up because a lot of his long plays, Like 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.120 Travis Hunter is making great plays on the ball on 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.080 those plays. So to me, it's very difficult when you're 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.640 betting on in tangibles. I do think he's gotten a 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.720 bump from just it happens in some drafts, and it 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.000 happens with some name value Occasionally, we'll have to wait 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:03.800 till the draft actually happens. Occasionally, like the NFL sees 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.680 him totally differently and we will be just talking about 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:09.640 him falling down to the twenties. So it'd be interesting, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:11.200 by the way, with the forty nine ers, he was 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:12.680 on the board for the forty nine ers, would they 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.320 ever just like totally change course and be like, yeah, 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.200 we're not going to give you that Conjack Brack pretty 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:17.840 that would be fun. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.400 I don't think they would, But uh, I don't I'm 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.800 surprised you with the Niners these days. They're pretty, they're 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.320 wild and kind of I think one of the craziest 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.280 things about Sanders' profile he is one of the highest UH. 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.280 I think he was tenth highest in the nationwalks all 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.200 college quarterbacks. An average time to throw this past year 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.640 to three point one to two seconds. This is average 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.800 time to throw. This is also one of the highest 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.520 RPO in screen heavy offenses in the league. How do 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.560 you end up with that time to throw in an 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.000 offense that has this many RPOs and screens in it? 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:55.920 I mean, the offense is painfully, painfully simple, painfully poorly constructed. 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:56.480 Uh. 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.840 They had playmakers of some of these wide out spots 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.400 and they really let those guys rip. But this offense 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:03.200 is I mean, he's going to get to the NFL 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.240 and be like, are you kidding me? All this structural 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.480 stuff could help me. I mean, no play action. There's 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.280 just so little in terms of what would aid him 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.520 as a quarterback other than just get it. There's a 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.600 place where he just gets the ball out quickly. But 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:17.200 in terms of downfield stuff, he created so much stuff 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.720 in the athletes. They had created so much stuff on 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.400 their own There just wasn't a lot of things that 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.240 helped them get to big stuff in their offense. It 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:26.280 was a lot of out of structure stuff and he 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.320 deserves credit for that. And some of the average time 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.280 to throw is that kind of stuff. Some of it 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:31.880 is just like I'm not going to play on time, 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.560 like I'm playing my way, I'm making a play and 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.320 I just the biggest thing to me is if he 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:39.000 was an unbelievable talent, I would be like, yeah, I'm 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:40.680 cool with that, like that, I can roll with that. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.520 Because the arm, the ball just dies all the time 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.240 down the field, but not distance distance throws. People confuse armstraight, No, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:48.520 he can't throw it far. As soon as he throws 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:49.840 it far in the NFL, people and be like they 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.960 were worried about his arm. This about velocity when we're 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:55.840 talking about armstrang and he drive the ball. And that's 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:58.320 what I think is really it just lacking on tape 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:59.920 all the time. And you wish it wasn't the case 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.560 because you really love the makeup of the player and 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.960 the toughness, his desire to put the team on his 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:07.879 back when he knew the system wasn't great. But I 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.840 just don't think the tools will translate to playing that 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.119 way in the NFL, and I don't know if he 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.520 can continue to play and the like. In the pro game. 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:14.879 They're gonna ask him to throw the middle of the 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.160 field on time of anticipation way more than this offense 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.720 did where he's playing outside the numbers a lot. That's 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.320 just kind of an unknowl Like, he didn't throw there 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.240 a lot, and so what is that going to look 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.159 like at the pro level when the offense he's in 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.800 has way more in terms of how it attacks the field, 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:31.200 So it's going to stress defenses way more. But I 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.400 think it's also gonna ask him to do some things 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:34.600