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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're always trying not to

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Speaker 1: reach for quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the Chris Westling podcast studio, and I am

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Speaker 1: joined by one of the best minds in the podcasting

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Speaker 1: writing game. It's John Ledyard. He's got the Audibles and

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Speaker 1: Analytics substack. He's got a great podcast with Ali Connolly. John,

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Speaker 1: What is happening?

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Speaker 3: Man? Not too much? Thank you for the kind words.

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Speaker 3: First of all, always fun to be on here with

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Speaker 3: you and talking some ball. I believe last time we

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Speaker 3: talked we ranked in tiered tight ends. A lot of

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Speaker 3: backlash for that, so I'm excited to I'm sure get

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Speaker 3: no backlash for today's podcast.

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Speaker 1: No, and I don't even know if we're gonna rank it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk quarterback. So I've been not pimping but

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Speaker 1: getting ready for this week now for a while saying,

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Speaker 1: like you know, we're getting into the draft. It's been

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Speaker 1: a slow process. I got the weekly show with Daniel Jeremiah.

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Speaker 1: Audibles and Analytics is another one that people should check

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Speaker 1: out with you and Ali, DJ and I are on Thursdays.

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Speaker 1: But like now, it's go time. We are two and

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Speaker 1: a half weeks out from the draft. Every day now

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Speaker 1: is draft, and we're going to talk quarterbacks today and

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Speaker 1: kind of keep it specifically two quarterbacks, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna put you and make you do a ranking, but

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about good fits and we'll kind of order

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Speaker 1: him in some sort of way. And I guess we

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Speaker 1: might as well just start at the top now because

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Speaker 1: we've talked draft. It's not like cam Ward has not

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Speaker 1: come up on this show. But I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: think we've dived deep into what makes him special? Kind

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Speaker 1: of what was your journey with cam Ward as a

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Speaker 1: prospect and where did you land in terms of like

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Speaker 1: how special do you think he is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the profile is weird right away, right twenty three

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Speaker 3: year old rookie. He'll be three different schools, so you're

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Speaker 3: already like, O, guess maybe it's red flag right now.

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Speaker 1: One of the schools was Incarnate word, which yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which is necessarily what you traditionally think of as the trajectory.

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Speaker 3: But you know, the multiple school thing, you know we're

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Speaker 3: starting to move with that's more normal. Three is still

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Speaker 3: you know, being an older rookiees And I to be

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Speaker 3: honest with you, Greg, like people just didn't talk about

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Speaker 3: caim Ward like a special should be the top overall

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Speaker 3: pick even the beginning of the season. So to say

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Speaker 3: it's come out of nowhere isn't fair because he's been

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Speaker 3: on the radar for everybody for a long time. We've

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Speaker 3: known the skill set and the traits are interesting. I

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Speaker 3: think this year he got better in some really key

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Speaker 3: ways though, which makes him you know, he's my top quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I think he's most people's top quarterback the NFL. Generally,

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Speaker 3: everything we hear is, yeah, this guy's going first, and

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Speaker 3: almost every team has him first, and it's not that

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Speaker 3: close to in a tier by himself type of guy

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Speaker 3: and in this class I think now. I think one

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Speaker 3: of the things that it's really interesting is one of

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Speaker 3: the things he did really poorly in the past was

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Speaker 3: growth for him and where he needs to continue to

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Speaker 3: grow in a lot. But I mean, his pressure to

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Speaker 3: Zach Ray went down this year fifteen point nine percent

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Speaker 3: So that just it's the ability to manage the game

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Speaker 3: the right way. This guy is so lax and the

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Speaker 3: details sometimes and he can get away within the college

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Speaker 3: don't think he's quite that special so from a talent perspective,

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Speaker 3: so I do think he needs to continue to develop

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Speaker 3: in those ways. But watching some of the processing stuff

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Speaker 3: will throw in breakers with anticipation, which to me show

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of development and growth there. He's playing

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Speaker 3: areas of quarterback play this past season where why I

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Speaker 3: think he's really not only is easy the best in

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Speaker 2: Right It is funny.

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Speaker 1: I love the draft community, and yet you really don't

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Speaker 1: know where these players are going to land until pretty

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Speaker 1: Jim Naggy was on who knows more about these prospects

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Speaker 1: than anyone? He was running the Senior Bowl for many years,

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Speaker 1: and he was on with Mickshaye and he was talking

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Speaker 1: in the middle of this season, Hey, don't count on

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Speaker 1: cam Ward as a first round pick. Like the reason

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Speaker 1: he went back to school was teams were telling Amy

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Speaker 1: crazy to think. And now he's the number one overall pick,

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Speaker 1: and A, you don't know how a player is going

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Speaker 1: teams are going to look at him. And I think

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Speaker 1: when they look at his tape from this season and

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Speaker 1: I dove into it, there's so much to be excited about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, putting a far of comparison on someone is crazy,

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Speaker 1: but because he definitely doesn't have like that arm, but

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Speaker 1: of being given credit for and just making it all happen.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm in Like he's going to add a lot

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Speaker 1: of value to my life, John, That's what I care

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Speaker 1: most about. I think he's going to be box office

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Speaker 1: that level of chill that you described in terms of

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Speaker 1: it as well. He's certainly like not afraid of the

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Speaker 1: I think he's he's got a lot going on where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is everything's just

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Speaker 3: sort of slowed down for him, Like he just feels

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Speaker 3: This is not the most home run quarterback prospect that

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Speaker 3: are things that he needs to get better at. There

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's not what I'm betting on happening,

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Speaker 3: But I think it's important to acknowledge that it's more

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Speaker 3: ones and other drafts. Not necessarily because this draft is

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Speaker 3: I said have improved, but ultimately he will throw it

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Speaker 3: he's still making some questionable decisions, and he's still not

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Speaker 3: He doesn't mind drifting back and throwing off his back foot,

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Speaker 3: and he and Sanders honestly have some similarities in their weaknesses.

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Speaker 3: They're different in terms of their strengths, but in some

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Speaker 3: terms of their weaknesses. Ward can get away with some

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Speaker 3: lead to like pretty big lapses in offense where he's

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Speaker 3: so there is some bust potential just in his profile

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Speaker 1: Ray I'm trying to think of someone else that would

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Speaker 3: I mean, Sanders has some of sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean Cam had a little bit of that that

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Speaker 1: The thing is, if you're grading the flashes, you see

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Speaker 1: it all. You do see anticipation. You do see him

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Speaker 1: the fit with the Titans, because I haven't really asked

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Speaker 1: don't think I'm the right person to give an answer

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Speaker 1: for it. Him. With Brian Callahan, I feel like there

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Speaker 1: do you think that works? I'm not really sure what

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Speaker 1: a Brian Callahan offense is, so that's part of the

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Speaker 1: know about Callahan and the Titans, like how that fits together?

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Speaker 3: It's really interesting because Callahan, you know, was with Burrow

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Speaker 3: looks like the offense the Bengals ran. So he I

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Speaker 3: really have no idea. Like he was with Will Levis

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Speaker 3: it was more traditional stuff. I think my guess is

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Speaker 3: is he'll build the offense around the player and Ward.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you didn't work under center, So is a lot

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Speaker 3: of like gonna be a lot of gun stuff. I

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Speaker 3: think will look just like a spread it around the

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's in the cards. To me, that

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Speaker 3: like that. Is word going to have to do some

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Speaker 3: more traditional quarterback stuff that he hasn't done before. I

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Speaker 3: don't know. This is the most unknown fit of a

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Speaker 3: long time, because I don't know how the Titans even

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Speaker 3: in so recently. I don't think people thought they thought

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Speaker 3: of him this way. I don't know how they see him.

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Speaker 1: On paper, No, I mean meet him where he is,

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Speaker 1: And then you keep adding that it's like it's like

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Speaker 1: So the consensus second quarterback in this class, but I

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Speaker 3: He's an interesting player. I think the player that he

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Speaker 3: just likes to play this like hero mentality ball, where

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Speaker 3: up and cleaned out in that way. Yeah, it reminds

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Speaker 1: Newton has right at some point that it's going to

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Speaker 1: It's like, does Travis Hunter like even out like lifting

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Speaker 3: They had playmakers of some of these wide out spots

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the out of structure plays. You see the arm strength.

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Speaker 1: you just think I want him to land with the

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Speaker 1: right system for him, Like is there a fit for

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Speaker 1: for him or a few fits out there that you like.

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Speaker 3: He's one that's it's multi layered right system wise to

437
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Speaker 3: would he work best with his one question? And then

438
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Speaker 3: personality wise, like would he work with the Giants?

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Speaker 1: Just because he's like a big personality.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think, yeah, I think he's a big personality.

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Speaker 3: I think he's his own person like unique from a

442
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Speaker 3: personality perspective, where like Brian Dable, like what is he

443
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Speaker 3: is he going to be able to roll with? Like

444
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Speaker 3: who Sanders is and just the way he communicates and

445
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Speaker 3: all those sorts of things, Like I actually think of

446
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Speaker 3: it as a positive for Sanders. I but I think

447
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Speaker 3: the fit matters because he isn't just your you're And

448
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Speaker 3: this is a good thing I think, and it can

449
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Speaker 3: be a really good thing a traditional mold at this position.

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Speaker 3: Will dab will be able to roll with that? I

451
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Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe he will, and.

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Speaker 2: He'd better be his careers on the line.

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Speaker 1: He's had a lot of quarterbacks, to be fair to

454
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Speaker 1: Brian Dabele, going back to college, going back to Tom

455
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Speaker 1: Brady if you want to and Josh, you know, you

456
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Speaker 1: got to think if they took him, they'd have the

457
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Speaker 1: conviction that they're that they're going to make that work.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's not like Shitter isn't gonna want

459
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Speaker 1: to be coach start or anything like that. So personalityway

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Speaker 1: wasn't less worried. It's more just like does that fit

461
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Speaker 1: or where would he fit?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I think, I mean Pittsburgh's an interesting one that's

463
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Speaker 3: been talked about a lot. I think from a personality perspective,

464
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Speaker 3: that's a great fit. That's hard for me to say

465
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Speaker 3: anybody like Arthur Smith's offense would be very different for

466
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Speaker 3: him from what he's run at Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think anything's going to be different, but that offense

469
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Speaker 3: would require him to go under center. He would have

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Speaker 3: to adjust to a lot of things. There's a lot

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Speaker 3: of play action, a lot of shots like there are

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Speaker 3: some things that could maybe work, but it would be

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Speaker 3: a learning curve for him in some ways. Stefanski is

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Speaker 3: one that I think in Cleveland would be interesting. He's

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Speaker 3: kind of remade his offense a lot of different times,

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Speaker 3: a lot of different ways for different players, So he

477
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Speaker 3: has shown the desire to be flexible and me kind

478
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Speaker 3: of meet who players are now. None of that worked

479
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Speaker 3: with Sean Watson, and maybe mostly because he wasn't the

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Speaker 3: player that he once was, so not the thing was

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Speaker 3: going to work. But with Sanders, I think there is

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Speaker 3: that ad layer of like, Okay, if this player is

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Speaker 3: willing to buy in here and be a part of

484
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Speaker 3: what we're doing, we'll change and we'll adapt the offense

485
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Speaker 3: to fit like sort of things that he wants. So

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Speaker 3: that's an interesting one to me. I don't think he's

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Speaker 3: gonna go it too to Cleveland. I'm not exactly sure

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Speaker 3: where he's gonna go. Before the Raiders got Gino Smith,

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Speaker 3: I was actually kind of interested in that potential fit

490
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Speaker 3: because I think he and Pete's personalities would also be

491
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Speaker 3: really fun together and I would kind of love to

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Speaker 3: see that. I have no idea how would go with

493
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Speaker 3: Chip Kelly or what chip Kelly's even gonna run in

494
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Speaker 3: the NFL, But so there's some interesting ones maybe, But

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Speaker 3: I do think Cleveland, if it happens, maybe later in

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Speaker 3: the draft. Like you say he's gonna go first Hunt,

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Speaker 3: I think he will, but I'm maybe it's a trade

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Speaker 3: back in I'm not totally convinced that there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of teams that need him or value him. Maybe in

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Speaker 3: the first round. Could he be the first pick in

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Speaker 3: the second round? I mean, I would be interesting. Maybe unlikely,

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Speaker 3: but it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I think the Rams are the floor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way to know what the Rams

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Speaker 1: are really thinking. I think he would. I think they're

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Speaker 1: in the quarterback market in this draft class, and whether

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Speaker 1: that's at twenty six or they have to move up.

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Speaker 1: They've like moving up, but it's going to be tough

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Speaker 1: for them to do so they gave up an extra

510
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Speaker 1: they're missing a pick. They would be quite a luxury

511
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Speaker 1: pick there at twenty six, but I could see it happening,

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Speaker 1: and I think it'd be an interesting fit in that system.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we've broken down the

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Speaker 1: top two and we'll get into the rest of the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks right after this.

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Speaker 2: Back on NFL Daily.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, looking at John here, it does remind me

518
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Speaker 1: of that Tight Ends ranking show, which in my head

519
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Speaker 1: at the time was going to be the first of

520
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Speaker 1: like an off season positional ranking show on around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: All my friends remind me all the time that I

523
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Speaker 3: ruined everything.

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Speaker 2: No, we had nothing to do with John Ledyard.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do it again though in terms of the

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Speaker 1: NFL daily off season programming. But I'm locked in on

527
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Speaker 1: the draft while I have you on the show, though,

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Speaker 1: I do like, you know, taking us off track a

529
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Speaker 1: little bit. You do follow the Steelers pretty close, and

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Speaker 1: you just talked about Arthur Smith, like who would really

531
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Speaker 1: fit in Arthur Smith offense?

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Speaker 2: And I do feel like there's a.

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Speaker 1: Dichotomy between maybe how Arthur Smith gets talked about sometimes nationally,

534
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Speaker 1: like he's still skating on some of those Titans offenses,

535
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Speaker 1: which now are like a little bit in the rear

536
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Speaker 1: view mirror, and like, what is Arthur Smith really in

537
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five as someone that's that's breaking down the

538
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Speaker 1: Steelers Because you do it on audibles and analytics, it's

539
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Speaker 1: your substack, and you do that with Ali it's a

540
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Speaker 1: great podcast, but you also do extra coverage on your

541
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Speaker 1: own on the Steelers. So I am I'm curious where

542
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Speaker 1: are we in the Arthur Smith experience because I'm getting

543
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Speaker 1: more dubious by the year.

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Speaker 2: I will say that, yeah.

545
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Speaker 3: He's just not very good or very modern. I think

546
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Speaker 3: is part of the problem, like that, you know, that's

547
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Speaker 3: the thing. He thinks that the things he did in

548
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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen are going to really succeed still in today's NFL,

549
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Speaker 3: and it just changes too quickly, Like everything he's doing

550
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Speaker 3: is outdated. I would even say it that tig it

551
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Speaker 3: was close to being god like he had Derick Henry,

552
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Speaker 3: like that's what he had and that guy was awesome,

553
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Speaker 3: and they had some other thing. I mean, I think

554
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Speaker 3: he I think they did a good job with what

555
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Speaker 3: they had. But yeah, I mean that's not an offense

556
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Speaker 3: that anybody's thinking, oh, you should replicate that in twenty

557
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Speaker 3: twenty five, and he's thinking that, like that's what he

558
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Speaker 3: wants to replicate. So you know, the early down runs

559
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Speaker 3: and lots of first down runs. He's the second and

560
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Speaker 3: long run guy. The play sequencing is an issue, and

561
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Speaker 3: then I think the passing offense. Honestly, he gets ver

562
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Speaker 3: he gets heralded is a run game guy. But the

563
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Speaker 3: run games have been bad for years. If you look

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Speaker 3: ep A per play.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's that's where my basic mind looks at. It's

566
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Speaker 1: like the run game isn't happening. He had the people

567
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Speaker 1: to do it even in Atlanta. Wasn't happening to the

568
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Speaker 1: consistency that you would have wanted to, right, That's absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious who would fit I think would fit with that.

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Speaker 1: That quarterback to me like, he's a guy that wants

571
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Speaker 1: to go under center. He wants to run play action.

572
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Speaker 1: He wants to rely on that part of it, which

573
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Speaker 1: actually don't hate that part of it. I wish the

574
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Speaker 1: play action was more threatening in terms of attack in

575
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Speaker 1: the middle of the field, perhaps with a different quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It would be first guy that comes to mind, obviously

577
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Speaker 1: in this class. I think Will Howard would be really

578
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Speaker 1: interesting to him. There would be some developmental stuff with

579
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Speaker 1: other guys. I mean, but Jackson Dart and Will Howard

580
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Speaker 1: are both guys that I think could be guys that

581
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Speaker 1: if you're just saying who's the fit right now without

582
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Speaker 1: needing a lot of molding or changing, both of those

583
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Speaker 1: guys make sense.

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Speaker 3: Have gone under center a little bit. There's some play

585
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Speaker 3: action ability to them. They sort of have the thing

586
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Speaker 3: with things that he looks for from a trades perspective.

587
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Speaker 3: He wants to be able to get the ball out

588
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Speaker 3: on the field. Will Howard is not a big armed guy.

589
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Speaker 3: He threw the deep ball really well last year, and

590
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Speaker 3: so and I think both are guys. Dart is a

591
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Speaker 3: little bit more interesting. We could talk more about him

592
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Speaker 3: in a second. But I think Howard's a guy at

593
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Speaker 3: least that if he was there in the third round

594
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Speaker 3: that he would see is this guy will do what

595
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Speaker 3: I tell him to do. And Russ didn't necessarily do

596
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Speaker 3: that last year all the time, and I think, you know,

597
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Speaker 3: there's always tedgy with people arouse. I don't know how

598
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Speaker 3: much that's overblown. Fields did and he liked Fields, but

599
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Speaker 3: Fields like wasn't capable, Like, he wasn't comfortable, he wasn't consistent,

600
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Speaker 3: and so I think he's looking for somebody who can

601
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Speaker 3: do those things consistently and follow his modeled approach. Hilarious

602
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Speaker 3: that they're looking at Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Right, I was gonna say, if you're looking for someone

604
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Speaker 1: to do what is told Aaron Rodgers and Arthur Smith,

605
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Speaker 1: that could be fun. I mean, they've both been paid

606
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Speaker 1: contributors to McAfee. They've got that in common. They're both

607
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Speaker 1: a little salty. It would be fun. Just from a

608
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Speaker 1: content perspective. I'd be into that. And yes, Will Howard

609
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State quarterback who will probably go in the

610
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Speaker 1: middle rounds somewhere. His old coordinator, Chip Kelly is with

611
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Speaker 1: the Raiders, so that's a connection that has been made

612
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Speaker 1: and probably about the point in the draft where they'd

613
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Speaker 1: think about taking a quarterback there. Let's talk Dart and

614
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Speaker 1: maybe Howard too. But you mentioned Arthur Smith still trying

615
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Speaker 1: to recreate the ideas that worked for him, like so

616
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Speaker 1: well back six or seven years. That's like a life

617
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Speaker 1: lesson thing too, like a there are authors that have

618
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Speaker 1: two or three great books in them but that's all

619
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Speaker 1: they have, or just even one great book in them,

620
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Speaker 1: and that's all that have, and to me, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: diminish how great that book was. And there's actors too

622
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Speaker 1: that they have like a moment in time where they

623
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Speaker 1: do what they did and it works amazingly for three

624
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Speaker 1: to five years, but they're not going to go do

625
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Speaker 1: anything else. And maybe maybe that is Arthur Smith a

626
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Speaker 1: little bit. If you want to be a great all

627
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Speaker 1: time coach, you have to be like Kyle shannoner McVeigh

628
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Speaker 1: that within the box of what they do, or Belichick

629
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Speaker 1: is always changing. The NFL is an evolutionary league. It

630
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Speaker 1: is always changing. I think you guys do a really

631
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: great job, you and Ali pointing how the league is

632
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Speaker 1: changing on your podcast. But I don't know, Maybe Arthur

633
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Speaker 1: Smith doesn't have a great second book.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a good point. I think that could be true.

635
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Speaker 3: In keeping with your analogy, maybe Derrick Henry was the

636
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Speaker 3: star actor and Arthur Smith was the supporting action.

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Speaker 1: Sure, maybe, sure, Pek Dereck Henry is a good place

638
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: to start. Although it's certainly it was working and right.

639
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: You know, I always have a soft spot for him

640
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: because I always thought Ryan Tannehill in the right system

641
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: was going to have a good career, and it took

642
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Speaker 1: Arthur Smith to actually make it happen. So I thank

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Speaker 1: Arthur for that. Let's talk Jackson Dart. Let's talk to

644
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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart. Okay, there's been coms to like a jail

645
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: and hurt. The thing about Dart and I put this

646
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Speaker 1: to Daniel Jeremiah last week, but I'll put it to

647
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: you too, Like there is a lot of projection there

648
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Speaker 1: because what you don't see from him is some of

649
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Speaker 1: the stuff you see from cam Ward and Shular Sanders,

650
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: which is real quarterbacking. Like it it is just the

651
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: things that they're going to ask him to do at

652
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: the pro level in terms of going through his reads

653
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: and anticipation in the middle of the field.

654
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: There's not like a ton of that on his tape.

655
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: So how do you when you're making the evaluation, work

656
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: that into how you see him projecting forward?

657
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, an offense to found space a lot in ill

658
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 3: miss spread offense ares lots of that kind of stuff.

659
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: You know. Pro defenses are a lot better at just

660
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 3: attacking and eliminating offenses like that, especially from pressure perspective,

661
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: which they struggled with. Honestly, it almost too dark gets

662
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 3: crushed a lot tons of mocks. Even this guy, I mean,

663
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: he will throw while he's about to get just destroyed.

664
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 3: All three of these top guys, like no issues with

665
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: them at all in terms of the toughness and the

666
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 3: ability to make a throw while they're about to get

667
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: cleaned out. Like, these guys are all pretty tough, made

668
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: of the right stuff mentally for sure, you know. So

669
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: the concern with Dart really is almost ultimated. People say

670
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: he's not an elite talent. I think his tape as

671
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 3: a passer reminds me a little bit of Justin Herbert

672
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: at Oregon who I did not find that impressive, to

673
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: be honest with you. I thought there were physical tools

674
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: and moments and throws, but consistency wise from a processing standpoint,

675
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: getting the ball out accuracy, Like I thought, there were

676
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: a lot of issues, and I see some of those

677
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: issues with Dart too. You know, I don't know whether

678
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: he'll make the jump that Herbert did at the next level.

679
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: I think that that doesn't happen with everybody, but the

680
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,719
Speaker 3: because they were from the spread so often teams all, right,

681
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: get the ball out before we clean out, and sometimes

682
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: they did, sometimes they didn't. That made Dart speed up

683
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: a little bit. There's a lot of times in which

684
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily playing fast. That maybe is the issue.

685
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: I think it's more playing smart that's the issue. When

686
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: the game script got to a point where he had

687
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: to be the guy, it got pretty rough at times.

688
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm a little bit scared of Jackson Dart

689
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: because I just wonder, from the neck up, if there's

690
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: enough right now to be able to win, Like he's

691
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: the kind of guy where it could get to the

692
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: league if teams haven't done their homework, or if they

693
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: haven't it just isn't the same on the board as

694
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: it is like when he gets in the in the

695
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: building and is out on the field. I just wonder

696
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: if it's gonna it could be too big for him

697
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: and it could just be too fast for him, and

698
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: I think that part could be paralyzing to him and

699
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: some of the decision and the end of the Florida

700
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: game is that it gets talked about, but it's legit

701
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: like he's playing well that old game. He's rolling as

702
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 3: soon as all right, you're the guy, go making drive,

703
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 3: go win us the game. It's ugly, Greg, I mean,

704
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: he's throwing the ball. The other team they dropped a

705
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: couple of picks, like it's everything just make some down

706
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: and falls apart. So you file those moments away. It's

707
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: not the whole evaluation, but you think of it certainly.

708
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: And I think he's I do think he's a good

709
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: athlete too, and that part of it is the Hurts

710
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: part that you mentioned. I think he can not a

711
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: explosive guy like Hurts isn't that explosive, but has the

712
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: ball carrying ability in the body armor. He's really stout

713
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 3: in terms of his build. So there's some interesting things

714
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: you can do with them. I'm not sure how long

715
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: or if it's in the cards for him to be

716
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: the guy for your team.

717
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you have a real vision for him. And

718
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: I hate to be like, hey, he's not for me

719
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: and then Sean McVay drafts him or something like that.

720
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: It's like, clearly you are gonna have a vision for

721
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: him if you take him. But him in particular, I

722
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: feel like you would have had to done a lot

723
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: of work with him in terms of the visits and

724
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: really understanding what he's seen, because you don't see it.

725
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: And I do knock him a little bit that he

726
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: was in that same system for three years, so I

727
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: want that. I want that thing to be mastered by

728
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: the end of it. I want you to feel extremely

729
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: comfortable and proficient and intelligent within that system by the

730
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: end of it. And that's where I'm not really in

731
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: on him. Whereas Shuder, You're saying, does he really have

732
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: the athleticism to make up for what, you know, the

733
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: style of play that he is And I get that,

734
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: but I think you can see enough from the neck

735
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: up that can I see him adjusting. I think Jackson

736
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: Dart is like that, but to a lesser degree because

737
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: he's obviously a good athlete. He's got some he's got

738
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: a good arm, Like it's easy cheese out there. Like

739
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: there's a couple of plays where he flips his hips

740
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: and he's running to the left, and you're like, oh,

741
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: that's awesome, that's great. But it's a lot of just

742
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: one read or else. And I guess if I'm going

743
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: to have one thing that I'm not gonna just project

744
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: totally forward, that's it because I don't see it. I'm

745
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: not smart enough at least from what we're doing, to

746
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: really project that forward. And so I think you'd have

747
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: to really get to the heart of like why he

748
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: did what he did, and that's stuff to do.

749
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: From where we're sitting.

750
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: His pocket positioning is really good and that gives me

751
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: some hope for him. Whereas the other two guys, I

752
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: think they drift around and they make things harder for

753
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: their lines at times because of where they are in

754
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: the pocket. I think Dart is pretty consistently in the

755
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: right spot in the pocket. He will move up when

756
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: he needs to. He actually is a pretty good feel

757
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: for pressure. Now. He's still despite that, ended up getting

758
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 3: sacked a lot, I think because he didn't know necessarily

759
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: where to go at the ball or the picture changed.

760
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: I think he knew pressure was coming. He turns, he

761
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: takes the ball with him like it's not like he's

762
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: surprised by the hit, but he just doesn't get it

763
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: out as much as he should. And so that's he's

764
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: over two years in a row with over nineteen percent

765
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: pressure to sack rates and very few throwaways if you

766
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: look at his amount of times he gets out and

767
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: throws it away compared to the other guys. So those

768
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: things are kind of where I say, like, I think

769
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: the bus potential year is high, because if you are

770
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: constantly taking sacks and you're not thinking fast enough to

771
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: get the ball out on time in the NFL, then

772
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: you're just gonna get benched, like or you're not ready

773
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: to play yet. So in a lot of RPOs in

774
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: this off and trade to a lot of stuff helping

775
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: him kind of get the ball, he has flashes of it.

776
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: There is a couple plays I think they had a

777
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: fourth down conversion against Florida where he goes one, two,

778
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: three and he hits a deep crosser for a tight

779
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: window for a big play, and it's like, man, like,

780
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 3: that's it, Like if you could just go, but he's

781
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: he that's so far the exception. He will stare down

782
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 3: guys and he will not move through. He'll look at

783
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 3: one side of the field only and forget about the

784
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: other side. And so I just think there's a long

785
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: way to go with him in terms of and maybe

786
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: not a long way to go, Like maybe it's happens

787
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: more naturally once he gets out of the ole miss

788
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: and he adds different coaching. But the fact that you,

789
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 3: as you said, it didn't happen yet gives me some

790
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: pause and some concern with him.

791
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the ball location is okay. It's the same

792
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: with Ward, it was just okay. Sometimes is a little off,

793
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: like he's always maybe it's just the timing where it

794
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: just feels like he's.

795
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: A beat late.

796
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: And when I was making the Sanders comparison, I was

797
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: kind of like, you need something to maybe make up

798
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: for this stuff, and everything seems good enough. He's not

799
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts it as a runner. I mean, he's a

800
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: good runner, but he's not that brings us to Milroe. Okay,

801
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: So I've only watched so many quarterbacks here, and Jalen

802
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: Milroe would be my fourth of the ones that I watched.

803
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: And it's because if you put Jalen Milroe in the NFL,

804
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: well you are, We're putting him in the NFL. How

805
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: many quarterbacks in the NFL are better runners right now?

806
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: Right now?

807
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: Like if yeah, Lamar Jaden Daniels maybe is comfortably smaller,

808
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 3: so I mean you're more hired risk. Probably those guys

809
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: were awesome. I think he's better than Hurts already as

810
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: a runner.

811
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: I mean Josh Allen Is.

812
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: I often say that is Josh Allen run is the

813
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: most efficient play in football. But in terms of like

814
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: even Lamar Is is like step a lot slower maybe

815
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: than he was, although he kind of had it all

816
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: back this year.

817
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: I'm thinking more.

818
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So honestly, he might be like Jalen Miller oh

819
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: day one, might be the best riding quarterback in the NFL.

820
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: And damn Like that alone is enough for me to

821
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: like him better than any other quarterback that I've watched

822
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: in this class, cause like maybe we're like, could he

823
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: be a better version of Taysom Hill? I would take

824
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: that over maybe any other quarterback in this class. Just

825
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: that as a baseline. I don't think you should underrate that.

826
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: That is an amazing starting point, because my god, is

827
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: he a special runner and we can talk about the

828
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: drawbacks and it's why he's not gonna get taken in

829
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: the first round. Where look, if his season had ended

830
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: John after the first four games of the season because

831
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: he got.

832
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: Hurt or something like, where would he go?

833
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: Do you think, by the way, like just answer that

834
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: thought experiment, would he be a first round to pick? Then?

835
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: I don't think so, just because of the vetting process.

836
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 3: I think the wards so people get excited about him

837
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: as a college player, and I think there's reason to

838
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 3: be excited about him in the NFL too, But I

839
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: wonder if the process would still bring out some of

840
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: the warts in his game. And at the end of

841
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: the day, teams once it's easy in the moment to

842
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 3: get caught of me, Oh this guy's excited again, then

843
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: teams have to be like, hold on a second. This

844
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: guy had the highest like in the nation, like basically

845
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: uncatchable throw rate, and like even like some of the

846
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: passing stuff is.

847
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 2: Okay, give me the other side of it, give me

848
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: the other side of it. Then let's give me the

849
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: other Yeah.

850
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: I mean he is like he is truly one of

851
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: the most unbelievable athletes in the league at this position.

852
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: And the size too. In the leadership too. I mean that,

853
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: I think that the intangibles are great too. However, Yeah,

854
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: the accuracy stuff is a real concern. He did play

855
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: the position faster this year. I don't know if he

856
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 3: played it better. In fact, he maybe didn't, and so

857
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: maybe that's more of a concern. But he, I mean,

858
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 3: he really improved time to throw in some of those

859
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: sorts of things. The actress, he was still an issue

860
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: I think at different levels of the field. Also, just

861
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: the fundamentally the way he manages the pocket, the way

862
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: he manages the game is really sporadic. It's hard to

863
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 3: be to feel like you have a reliable sense of

864
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: what he's going to do in a given player, given situation.

865
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 3: So I think he's difficult to coach, especially at a

866
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: level where coaches are gonna be like, this is what

867
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: we do do it for the most part, not maybe

868
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: not all the mocking him to Pittsburgh thing that's very

869
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: common right now, did he meet with them? Who's in

870
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: that meeting? All that kind stuff like that's happening with

871
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: him right now. Like it's really funny because it would

872
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 3: be such a Tomlin pick, like I loves the personality

873
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: of the player, like and that's kind of stuff Tomlin

874
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: gravitates for it. It'd be such a funny fit in

875
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 3: the offense. So everybody's trying to figure out where he goes.

876
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: The reason we keep bringing up the same couple of

877
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 3: teams is there really are only a couple of teams

878
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: that need a quarterback. So it's probably gonna be a

879
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 3: surprise team that takes a couple of these guys. But

880
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: teams really feel like, yeah, this class week, Bren don't

881
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: get who we want or we're not get a guy

882
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 3: who can play. So I think he could go to

883
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 3: any team because it's just sort of like a raw

884
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: canvas in terms of what you're working with and his

885
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 3: approach I think is going to be really good, and

886
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: you know, the Alabama thing plus the personality I think

887
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: is everybody's Could he could he be our Jalen Hurt

888
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 3: some more explosive? You know? Could that be the case?

889
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: And that's probably the best case scenario.

890
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: I'd say maybe for I mean that, yeah, that would

891
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: be that would be incredible. I mean, he he is

892
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: a next level athlete, and so I have a friend

893
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: Ada Adam West, who you guys know if you listen

894
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: to the show that Saints Block Party podcast. And by

895
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: the way, he's been pumping up like dart to the Saints,

896
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: like he would be excited about that, and they would

897
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: be excited about that. I'm not liking that for anyone involved.

898
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: But he was like, you're gonna love Milrow when you

899
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: watch them, and of course I do, because how can

900
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: you not be exciting watching him? And the thing I

901
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: would just push back slightly on the passing, which is

902
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: it's pretty erratic, it's pretty rare.

903
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: There were legitimate spots.

904
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: In his career where he had to make throws to

905
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: win games and he made him. And so like, he's

906
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: not gonna be a plus plus thrower and that's maybe

907
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna like limit his ceiling. But there were third and

908
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: nine situations that he's playing Georgia this year and he

909
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: has to make the throw and he did make them.

910
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: So it's not like you're working with nothing as a thrower,

911
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: and so I just it would have to be with

912
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: the right fit, and it might be a third, fourth round.

913
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you would take him early. It might

914
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: be with a team like the Cardinals who don't need

915
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: anything right now, but are just like, hey, maybe in

916
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: a couple of years, Jalen Milroe would be an interesting option,

917
00:39:58,840 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: like instead of Kyler.

918
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: It might be like something like that.

919
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: But if you're telling me he's starting out his career

920
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: as like a plus like version of Taysom Hill or

921
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: something that comes in for a little bit Sean, like,

922
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 1: I'm buying that as a mid round pick, that would

923
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: be kind of fun.

924
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 3: Come on, John, as a mid round pick one hundred

925
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: percent of yeah, like I would. I would be really

926
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: in because there are a lot of things you're worth

927
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: working with. And you said it like the big time

928
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: throw rate. This guy really made a lot of high

929
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: degree difficulty throws too. Hey, it isn't like he's never

930
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 3: hit anybody on a pass or something like somebody gets

931
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: talked about. I think the consistency at the position, which

932
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: is I think the most underrated part of quarterback play

933
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 3: is not the hind stuff with the consistency is where

934
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: you really get concerned about him. Is that going to

935
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 3: be able to evolve or grow in the NFL? But like,

936
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: would you rather take a chance on somebody who's already

937
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: as you said, starting from an unbelievable mobility perspective, or

938
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 3: you know, we'll talk about him maybe a little bit.

939
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: But like somebody like Tyler Shuck, who.

940
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: Combine at all, it's all happening. It's all happening.

941
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not like I would have I would

942
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: have Milroe ahead of Jackson dark Ultimate. Not that I

943
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: get why why he in a generic board, but just

944
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: that in the terms of ways that I think different

945
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: people are gonna want to miss in different types of ways,

946
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: I would be more comfortable missing with Milroe. I feel

947
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: like Jackson Dart's giving me too much like Drew Locke

948
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: vibes of the type of quarterback where it doesn't work.

949
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: Whereas if you have a vision of how Milroe could work,

950
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: all right, let's throw Shuck in here too. So Tyler

951
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: Shuck an older prospect at Louisville. He was in the

952
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: same prospect class as Trevor Lawrence, which is outrageous and

953
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: Justin and Justin Fields too, right, he was in that

954
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: class too, even though he came out a year later.

955
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: And so that to me is a little bit of

956
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: a knock.

957
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: Give me, give me your Tyler Shuck thoughts, Give me

958
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: your Tyler Shock.

959
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: And yet yeah, seven college seasons, and yet he has

960
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: four hundred less career dropbacks than Jackson Dart says way less,

961
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: way less than Sanders and camp Ward. He only has

962
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: one thousand, ninety five dropbacks and six cold seasons, was

963
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 3: injured during that seventh. He is one of the oldest

964
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: players in the class, as we mentioned, will be twenty

965
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: six as a rookie. However, he's also one of the

966
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: least experienced. That is a tough combination in a position

967
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: where experience matters greatly. Now I will say this, there

968
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: are some plays and this is why people like Tyler Schuck.

969
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 3: Everything is textbook greg backfoot hits, ball comes out anticipation,

970
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: throw middle of the field on a dig right in

971
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: the zone window. It's beautiful. And that's where the coach

972
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: people love Tyler Schuck, where they're like, this guy does

973
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: exactly what I asked for her to do. He plays

974
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: on time. This is great, and he's talented. It's not

975
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: like he's not talented. He is very talented. He's not

976
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: just like a system guy. Like there are some beautiful

977
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: throws he can move like. He is talented. I do

978
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: want to say that while I'm about to kill him.

979
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: He is yet and he has a good enough arm,

980
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 3: he size, he's dropbacks under center, all the stuff that

981
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: you know that the coach, the coach, draft people and

982
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: the coaches in the league are like, this guy, could

983
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: we could get him in the system, he could be

984
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: okay for us. Every coach thinks there's scheme is gonna

985
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: be enough and if they can just get a player

986
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: in THEO, they'll run the scheme, they'll be fine. The

987
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: problem is he just can't create. He's not a creator whatsoever.

988
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: Thirty one throwaways this season, super high number. He's improvement

989
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: in taking sacks is notable. But two things. His lack

990
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: of creation is an immense problem in my opinion, because

991
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: in the NFL, you're gonna be under pressure. So when

992
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 3: you can't create under pressure and you don't have any

993
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: desire to either. He was trying to get the ball

994
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: out of your end all the time. That's an issue

995
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: because you're gonna be in situation. So yeah, if he

996
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: gets in a game and everything goes perfect in that game,

997
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 3: he could be like the player of the week or

998
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: something like that type of guy. Next week they blitz

999
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: him and he's in trouble, and what does this guy do.

1000
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 3: It's been hurt a million times right all over his tape. Greg.

1001
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 3: He's falling away at the top of his ten, twelve

1002
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: yards deep in the pocket. He's trying to get as

1003
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: far away from the defensive line as possible. Pressure gets

1004
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: through even in his vicinity, and he's falling off his platform.

1005
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: He's falling away from contact. The ball's dying on him,

1006
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 3: he's trying to throw it away, he's panicking, he's turning

1007
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: up and taking a sack. It's just I just don't

1008
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: think the negative I think the negatives are so bad

1009
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: with him that I just don't think it's ever gonna

1010
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: be consistent enough. In the NFL. He'll be a backup

1011
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: because if for a team that hopefully doesn't need to

1012
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 3: play him that often, but because I think he'll impress

1013
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: in all the ways that you impress until the bullet

1014
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: star flying, but once the bullets star flying, I just

1015
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 3: think there's too many issues like this. The bad stuff

1016
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: is going to be really bad. Even if, like on paper,

1017
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: it makes sense that this guy could do what we

1018
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: want him to do, but I just don't think when

1019
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 3: you get in the game, there's not that same level

1020
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: of aptitude and stressful situation.

1021
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to have a code at some point

1022
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: when you're evaluating these guys. What's your type, what do

1023
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: you like? And to me, it's pocket presence. It's the

1024
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: ability to not panic against pressure. Is probably the number

1025
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: one thing I'm most confident in my basic guys being

1026
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: able to recognize having watched all the quarterbacks that have

1027
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: coming into the league and then especially in the league,

1028
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: like just seeing that is the absolute number one thing

1029
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: that will unravel good quarterbacks, average quarterbacks, below average quarterbacks.

1030
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: It's what separates guys who have long careers. And that

1031
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: to me was just like a cross off for what

1032
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: you said, like the falling off, and I just didn't

1033
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: not my guy, It'll be someone's guy. Greg Goseell had

1034
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: him second, and I kind of get it. Where in

1035
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: this class after cam Ward, you could make the case of,

1036
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: depending on what you like, of six seven different types

1037
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: of guys. But in this case, I think we're right

1038
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: because I think it's just going to be a cross

1039
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: out for him in terms of being able to play

1040
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: against pressure. And we don't need to bury the kid.

1041
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: He is at ninety six in the consensus board, by

1042
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: the way, so he's some people probably have him even

1043
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 1: higher in that he might go second or third round.

1044
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: All right, of the rest of the guys, and we're

1045
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: going to wrap up here quickly, but I will give

1046
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: I just will give the floor to you those. I

1047
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: don't know if those are the consensus top five. We

1048
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: probably hit the consensus top four if Milroe's in that

1049
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: we mentioned Will Howard already, who could be a guy

1050
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: from Ohio State quinn Ewers. I feel like it's not

1051
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 1: been talked up throughout the process from Texas, but someone

1052
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: might like him. Dylan Gabriel from Oregon, Kyle McCord from Syracuse,

1053
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: Abe Riley Leonard, who who Nate Tice is still holding

1054
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: out like a little bit of hope for from Notre Dame.

1055
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: Is there any of the other quarterbacks that catch your

1056
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: eye the most, that you that you like or even

1057
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: just that you think you have something interesting to say

1058
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: about those guys?

1059
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: Well, McCord is probably the interesting one. I guess I'm

1060
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: not really high on them. I do like Will Howard

1061
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: a little bit. I think he belongings in this conversation.

1062
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: I will say that with with this kind of next group,

1063
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean there's a real path to me,

1064
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 3: where Will Howard's better than Jackson Dart eventually in the league,

1065
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: and maybe Sanders too. I think like that's possible because

1066
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: those guys have some like potentially fatal flaws, and Will

1067
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: Howard doesn't have any of the like high end stuff

1068
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: they have, but it doesn't maybe have those fatal flaws.

1069
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: So you know, it's so much of this is fit

1070
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 3: with these guys. Once you get to limited players, you

1071
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: get you get into massive fit conversations and fit questions.

1072
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't be offended by anybody who ranks these

1073
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: guys in the same tier. I think so everybody else

1074
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: to me after the Sanders shook, Dart Howard kind of

1075
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 3: group in and Milro probably being in there too. If

1076
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: you're just like upside, yeah, like he's not as polished

1077
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 3: maybe some of them yet, but upside he could easily

1078
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: be better than all those guys. If or not, it

1079
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't happen easily.

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Speaker 1: But you could disagree with me on my show, John,

1081
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: you can say that's a bad I'm just thinking want

1082
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: as a backup. He would be a fun backup, Like

1083
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: once you get him, you probably need about a year,

1084
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: but a fun backup that he gives you a different.

1085
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: Look for a couple of games. Anyways, I'll shut up

1086
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: about I.

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00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: Know I would take Miller over Shuck for sure, and

1088
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 3: I would I think there's a real path to the

1089
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 3: other guys just not being good enough, and so I

1090
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 3: would be if the Steelers taken for whatever, I'll be

1091
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: really intrigued by that. Obviously the fit would be weird.

1092
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: Mccorda is the interesting one because I think he was

1093
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 3: just kind of an afterthought. He went to Syracuse and

1094
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 3: the numbers were better, but still people were talking about

1095
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: Now as you get closer and you start hearing people

1096
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: in the league talk, it's like, wait, you're gonna take

1097
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 3: this guy on the top one hundred? Is that?

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00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay?

1099
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 3: And he's a guy that can, like if you talk

1100
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: about Hydergow difficulty throws, he can make him. And he

1101
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 3: made it more of this past year at Syracuse than

1102
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: we even saw at Ohio State. It was interesting. It

1103
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: was it wasn't good enough to elevate the talent at

1104
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 3: Ohio State, but he didn't really need to write there's

1105
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 3: great talent there. So it was like, well, if he's

1106
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 3: not good enough with these guys, then he's not gonna

1107
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: be good enough Syracuse, and then he went to Syracuse

1108
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: and elevated the talent there. It was really it was

1109
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: very fascinating. So just to step in the right direction

1110
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: and the progress that he made, I think we'll have

1111
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: people intrigued because there's a big arm, not very mobile.

1112
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of concerns he's going to

1113
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: throw the ball the other team all the time. And so,

1114
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 3: you know, Mitchell Trubisky's been a common comp for him,

1115
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 3: and I think it makes a lot of sense. Is

1116
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 3: there a world in which Trubisky could have turned down

1117
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: to a better prob I don't think so. Teams might

1118
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 3: think so. I'm not particularly high on McCord, but to me,

1119
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: he's more interesting than Gabriel or yours or some of

1120
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: those other guys that maybe are going to be talked

1121
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,919
Speaker 3: about in this range of the draft.

1122
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: Well, he would certainly take Trubisky's career because he'd be

1123
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: a mid mid round pick that lasted in the league.

1124
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: Not that they would get the starts that that Trubisky

1125
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: got because of his draft status. I appreciate it. There's

1126
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: no need to try to force it is. It is

1127
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: a thing that happens with these drafts with the quarterbacks.

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00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: The most notable recent example being twenty twenty two. Just

1129
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: looking at the consensus board, which it's it's funny to

1130
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: look back at now going into that draft, the consensus

1131
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: board among the draft Knicks had Malik Willis ten. He's

1132
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: on his second team and has found a great spot.

1133
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: Now he looks like one of the best backups in

1134
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: the league. But you know, he was at ten. Pickett

1135
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: was at fifteen, Ritter was at thirty one. He's on

1136
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: his third team. Kenny Pickett's on his third team. Matt Krall,

1137
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: who is now throwing the passes at the Common was

1138
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: thirty six. This is where it really got crazy. Howell

1139
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: was at forty six. Carson Strong was at seventy eight.

1140
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: So you don't need to just push up quarterbacks just

1141
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: because they're the quarterbacks. And it's not like there were

1142
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: you know, guys later in the draft other than Perty

1143
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: that that ended up making it happen.

1144
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: But Perty did make it happen.

1145
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: So the league. Wolves was my top quarterback that year

1146
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: and I think he was in the seventies on thee.

1147
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't need to force it. It is closer to

1148
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: one of those years I.

1149
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: Would say this class, I will say this is better.

1150
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: Than Oh yeah, it's way better. I agree with that.

1151
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: I think I think should have Sanders at worst is

1152
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: going to have a long career in the league. I'm

1153
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: excited about getting to watch cam Ward every Sunday. And

1154
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: then I do think Millroll's got a chance, and Dart

1155
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: certainly has a chance.

1156
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: In some of these other guys, they got a chance.

1157
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: John Ledyard, appreciate you coming on. Check out audibles and

1158
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: analytics with Ollie Connelly, any anything else you want you

1159
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: want to pump up, because look, if you're a Bucks fan,

1160
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: you're you're probably a lot of Bucks content, a lot

1161
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: of Steelers content, and then YouTube cover the entire league.

1162
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bucks and Steelers content. Lots of NFL draft scouting

1163
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 3: reports going up right now on the site. Just published

1164
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 3: like five safety reports. Allie and I did in depth

1165
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: podcasts about the safety class and the running back class

1166
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 3: this week, and we went through our tiers and rankings

1167
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 3: and evaluations. So lots of those kind of fun conversations

1168
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 3: happening there. We'll get corners next week, We'll get linebackers

1169
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: coming up here soon. Finish this thing out strong, going

1170
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Speaker 3: into the draft. So yeah, people are interesting.

1171
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Speaker 1: You're not afraid to bury guys, you know, you just

1172
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Speaker 1: just bury him sometime. I guess it's the confidence that

1173
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: comes with like a jaw that's square. That John is

1174
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: posted here does burying these young men? No, I'm kidding.

1175
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: I like the honesty. You guys talk like like the

1176
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: scout drave like the front offices talk. Yes, they're all

1177
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. It makes sense. All right, that's

1178
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Speaker 1: it for today's show. Hit the Music, Eric.

1179
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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We got a big week, so I mentioned we're really

1181
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: zeroing in on draft coverage. We've got our first mock

1182
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: draft of draft season, maybe the last, probably the last,

1183
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: with Nate Tice coming up on our Tuesday show, so

1184
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: stay tuned for that one. We got DJ later in

1185
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: the week. We got a great week. A guess Nick

1186
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: Schuck coming up to football's back didn't land it