1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode seventy three. This is 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: first airing on Christmas Day twenty eighteen, so we are 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: anticipating that we may not have as many people listening 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: to this episode has been other episodes, because you're all, 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, doing other stuff on this day, even people 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: not celebrating Christmas generally do another stuff. But in case 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: you happen to find this episode, at some point, we 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: thought we'd do our twenty eighteen year in review, and 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: in fact we are this time. This isn't we're recording 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: this ahead of time, so we're not together on this, 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: but we will be together on Christmas, right, Sarah yeah, 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: so excited for some cozy family fun in Pennsylvania and 22 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: our first live recordings. Yeah, we're not going to record 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: on Christmas, record the day after, but we'll have like 24 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: in person in person, yeah, like the the you know, 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: we'll we'll sort that out. It's gonna be exciting. I 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: haven't seen Sarah in a year and a half, so 27 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: oh be good, Genevieve. Yes, and you're hoping for snow, right, 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I am hoping for snow. How much actually for snow? 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: But okay, sure, I think we may actually go skiing 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: one day, so that way we will be guaranteed to 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: see some manufactured or not. Yes, that's true. Well the 32 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: I mean the ski resort. I think you were going to. 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: I uh, we were up there hiking a few weeks 34 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: ago and they had snow there then. Yes, but it 35 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: may have melted by now, but we'll see. It's already 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: been a brutal winder and probably will continue being. So 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: it's a good thing you guys got the codes for Hanka. Yes, 38 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, we're going to talk about twenty eighteen or highlights, 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: you know, professional personal. It's been a pretty good year. 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you guys had a baby. Well, 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: you had the baby at the end of twenty seventeen. Yeah, 42 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: but I mean the baby year twenty eighteen was like 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: a baby year, you know, he only really dominated by 44 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: a lot of baby stuff. So I mean, I'll do 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: my professional first, because it's not that exciting and was 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: as much it was exciting, I would say it was 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: a baby year. I didn't get I wrote, I didn't 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: get fired. Despite pumping for nearly twelve months. We did 49 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: successfully recruit and start our first class of residents, so 50 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: that was actually really exciting and has become one of 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: my most favorite parts of my job. We started up 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: our multi disciplinary gender clinic in December, and on the 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: semi professional front, my blog maker should be complete by then, 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: although I need to email my person. And this podcast 55 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: we did more than fifty episodes. I think that's pretty 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: oft probably exactly fifty two. If I had to guess, 57 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: depending on how far a head you were, or depending 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: on whether the Tuesday falls on what day of the week, 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's either fifty two or fifty three, depending 60 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: on how you account. As I learned, there's like fifty 61 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: two point twenty nine weeks in a year or something 62 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: like that. Anyway. Yeah, No, this podcast has been an 63 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: awesome thing for this year. It's been growing, which is good. 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: You had some other big professional highlights, I guess, so yeah, 65 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: I know. I Off the Clock came out in May. 66 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: That was my first book launch in three years. I 67 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: actually had quite a bit of time between my previous 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: book was I Know How She Does It? Then there's 69 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: three years between that and Off the Clock. Not intentionally, 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: I guess I just didn't have anything to write about 71 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: in it. But I was very happy with the response. 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: I'm always happy to sell more books if somebody wants 73 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: to go buy one, but it meant a lot to 74 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: me that a number of people who have read all 75 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: my books were positive about this one, and so that 76 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: is better to be moving that direction where people think 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: you're still bringing something new and interesting to the table, 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: as opposed to be like, why on earth are you 79 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: continuing to beat a dead horse here? Early twenty eighteen, 80 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: I got a contract for Juliette School of Possibilities, which 81 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: is the fable that will be out March twelfth, twenty nineteen. 82 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool, you know, I'm basically 83 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a novel that is coming out from a 84 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: business publisher, so you can wrap your head around that one. 85 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: And it's totally novel like. It is fun. So Sarah 86 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: has read it now. It took four pump sessions, so 87 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: it's a quick quick read. Oh, I mean, I guess 88 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: depending on how long you're pumping. But no, and it 89 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: made those pump sessions fly by. So yes, very novelistic, 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: which I liked, well good but yet with a time 91 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: management message, so hoping to hit all aspects there. You know, 92 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: it was a good year financially. I mean, the economy 93 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: is going like you know, been going great in twenty eighteen. 94 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: But I think what also happened is that I did 95 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: that Ted talk at the end of tw sixteen and 96 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: it sort of took twenty seventeen for it to like 97 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: get into kind of people's I don't know the right 98 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: people's people to get it and then to reach out 99 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: to me. And so that twenty eighteen was actually my 100 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: highest earning year ever. So that was that was excitingesome. Yeah, 101 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: which you know, people are like, well, an if you 102 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: have a normal job, I guess that might make some sense. 103 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: If you stay in the job, you keep earning more. 104 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: But as a self employed person, it doesn't work that 105 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: way at all. It can go up and down quite 106 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: a bit, you know, over the time. Obviously hope that 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: the angle is up the trajectory, but you can certainly 108 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: go up and down a lot depending on various factors. 109 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: So that was good. I had a really fun time 110 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: doing a couple of like big conference keynotes. I did 111 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: three conferences. It's called the Art of Leadership for Women 112 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: that was in Canada. I did a Toronto, Calgary, and Vancouver. 113 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: They kind of took the show on the road and 114 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: I did did all three of those and it was 115 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: really fun, you know, having like thousands of peopleople in 116 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: the audience and you're just up on stage. They have 117 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: the big cameras on you, with the big screens and stuff. 118 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: It's I never would have thought that that would be 119 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: something I'd enjoy, but it turns out I really do 120 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: so performing it's fun awesome. Yeah, Plus Canada's awesome. Canada 121 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: is awesome. Yeah. So you you didn't get fired, which 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: is great. So no, I think twenty nineteen is going 123 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: to be awesome though, right Like I I feel like 124 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen I did more than I might have expected. Yes, 125 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: work wise, so I'll just and I would say that Sarah, 126 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: Sarah's your being like, oh I didn't get fired is 127 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: like a normal person's like best year ever, So maybe 128 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: and positioning herself for an awesome Yes, position is positioned well. 129 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: So how about travel, We didn't do a ton, but 130 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: I would say, considering the fact that it was a 131 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: baby year, we did a Disney trip that was part 132 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: of my husband's conce after I just talked about how 133 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: horrible it was that my parents traveled to conferences with me. 134 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: We totally did that. But we did go to Disney 135 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: after the conference was over, so there you go. Did 136 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: that in April, and then we did take our big 137 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: epic Pacific Northwest trip to Whistler and Seattle and Portland 138 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: and that was fantastic And I can't I at one point, 139 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: I like almost didn't even want to go because I 140 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: was panicking about the logistics of traveling with Gene you 141 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: being only eight months old. And it was great. So, yeah, 142 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: it was a highlight. Your remembering self as glad you 143 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: did it right totally. Yeah, you can look back on this. Yeah, 144 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: we had a bunch of good trips too. We took 145 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: the big kids. We did two trips with just the 146 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: big kids, which has some upsides when you have a 147 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: little guy who is kind of active. Yes, I don't 148 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: know how to a little break. Yeah, but then you 149 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: could do stuff that you could only do with them. 150 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean they would have been you know. Try and 151 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: think about keeping Alex from like leaping into old Faithful. 152 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if able to stop him from like 153 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: running up to the guyser or something. Oh, he and 154 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: Cameron are gonna love each other and they are totally 155 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: gonna have it. I'm scared. I'm kind of scared of 156 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: this too, And I don't know if you're gonna like 157 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: judge my parenting choices and what toice I let him have. 158 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: But anyway, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. 159 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: The we went to London over spring break and that 160 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: was great. You know, the kids loved seeing another country, 161 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: just seeing how different things were there and just driving 162 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: on the left side of the road. And you know, 163 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: I would say the one upside my husband travels a 164 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: lot for work. But the one upside is that we 165 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: have a bunch of Frequent Flyer miles and hotel points 166 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: and you know hurts car rental points for whatever. So 167 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: a trip like that. It's actually very inexpensive, more affordable 168 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: than you think, because our hotels were all points, our 169 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: flights were points are so all we were paying for 170 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: is like you know, museum entries and meals. I mean, 171 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing. Yeah, it was. It was great 172 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: to introduce them to that, and Yellowstone was just an 173 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: amazing experience. I highly recommend if people are listening to 174 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: this and pondering like going to someplace in the US 175 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: that it just seems almost otherworldly. Yellowstone has got everything. 176 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, yes, you see cool wildlife and 177 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: you see pretty mountains, but you also see like the 178 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: earth exploding all the time, which is I mean, geysers 179 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: are something you just can't get elsewhere. I mean, we 180 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: really can't because you could go to Iceland. It's like 181 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: Iceland or Yellowstone is basically do you want to go 182 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: to Iceland. It's a short, relatively short flight from the US, 183 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: so you might put that in, but that's actually, well, 184 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: this is getting way ahead of ourselves. But my college 185 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: girlfriends and I have decided that that's probably going to 186 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: be our fortieth year turning forty group trip. That sounds 187 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: really cool. Yeah, okay, but we're not led to digress. Okay, 188 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: well we are marching through our highlights with no digressions allowed. Yeah, 189 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: so it was those were some really cool trips now 190 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: in terms of what we've been doing in our personal lives, well, 191 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: other than you're nursing a baby all year long, which 192 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: yay goes there so much nursing, so much pumping, but 193 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: that actually came with so much reading. So it was 194 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: an unexpected perk that I used that time for something 195 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: I've never like, I know a lot of people read 196 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: one hundred books in a year, but I've never done 197 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,199 Speaker 1: anything like that. Well, probably when I was a child, 198 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: reading like Pansy Drew books. I know you probably read 199 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: like one hundred Babysitters Club, but its my adult life 200 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: I have been I've always been a reader, but more 201 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: like one or two, maybe maybe two books a month. 202 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: But this year I read I think something like forty 203 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: six books in the year's not even over yet, so 204 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm probably going to top out it close to fifty, 205 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: which is great, an all time high for me. So 206 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: that's that was a really fun part of side part 207 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: of having a baby and nursing and pumping actually as 208 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: getting time to read Yeah, Now I had some good 209 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: books I read this year. It wasn't quite the same 210 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: as twenty seventeen, was, I guess, more of a banner 211 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: reading year for me, partly because I had actually set 212 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: a goal to read a lot more and so I did. 213 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: And then in twenty seventeen, I actually knocked a bunch 214 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: of sort of my reading bucket list books, you know, off, 215 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: I did them. So then in twenty eighteen I didn't 216 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: have that built up kind of anticipation of reading some 217 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: of those books. So I haven't read nearly as many 218 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: books in twenty eighteen. I think I'm going to be 219 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: probably somewhere between sixty and seventy. I mean, I mean 220 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be between sixty and seventy unless I like 221 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: start reading you know, twenty short books and the books 222 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: the day through the day for the next next few weeks. 223 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's this year. I read The Memorable One's 224 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: Infinite Jest, which was quite the reading experience. I mean, 225 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: it's huge book, crazy book, Quite the reading experience. So 226 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: if people are looking for an epic, kind of more 227 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,319 Speaker 1: modern but in many cases quite funny book to read, 228 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: that that's one. David Foster Wallace without I read Moby Dick, 229 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: though I would actually highly recommend Moby Dick. If you 230 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: are able to get through like Jane Austen, if something 231 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: if like Pride and Prejudice doesn't bother you for its 232 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: slowness factor, then you could definitely make it through Moby Dick. 233 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: And in fact, I think you'd have more fun with 234 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: Moby Dick because he goes into these all kinds of 235 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,599 Speaker 1: sort of ridiculous like set pieces on wailing. And so 236 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: if you read like Jane Austen and John McPhee, maybe 237 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: it's a mash up between those two, you'd probably like 238 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: Moby Dick. And then you get to say that you've read, 239 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, this, this classic book Middle March. I was 240 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: kind of dragging myself through Middle March about fifty percent 241 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: of the way through, and then I was like, hey, 242 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: this is actually really awesome. So it just I partly 243 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: because I don't really like Jane Austin all that much. 244 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: So this isn't Janelsen, it's George Elliott. But I'm saying 245 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: that that sort of style of like the slow plotting British, 246 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: you know, domestic kind of novel, It's never been my thing. 247 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: You know so much. But once once I got into 248 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: the characters, which took me a while, but once I 249 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: got into them, I was like, oh, this is really deep, 250 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: and like she's she's created all kinds of situations where 251 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: the stakes are, you know, beyond what you would think 252 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: the stakes are, and the interlocking characters, and so I 253 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: really I wound up enjoying Middle March quite a bit 254 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: by the end. In nonfiction, I read North the Scott Jerk. 255 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: Have you read that one? No? I have not? Okay, 256 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: So it's a running book. So Scott Jurik, who is 257 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: the ultrarunner, has done the fastest known time on the 258 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail. And normally they go south. Normally the through 259 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: hikers through runners go south just it's an easier direction. 260 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: I guess that doesn't really make sense, but anyway, normally 261 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: they go south, and he went north. It got the 262 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: fastest known time, but like by you know, three hours, 263 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy if you consider how long 264 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: the trail is, which then fell very quickly too. I mean, 265 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: once people are paying attention to a record like this, 266 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, you get more and more people trying it. 267 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: But anyway, it's a fascinating book. About what the ultra 268 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: running mindset. Basically, I mean he's putting himself on a 269 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: death march, like as he's losing weight, sick, tired, running 270 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: twenty hours a day by the end, but he makes it. 271 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: You know he's going to make it because it's nonfiction. 272 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: But it's still got a lot of tension with it. 273 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: That sounds great, especially if you're looking to motivate to 274 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: run or do something. How about your favorite dress? Well, 275 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: I actually kept tracking a little list in my my 276 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: mini bullet journal situation, and I pulled all the nines 277 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: and tens, and I will I will say that I 278 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: probably like, maybe there's I don't know if there's great. 279 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm not the kind of person who's like, oh, 280 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm only going to give it a nine. If it's 281 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: like life changing. If I really like it, I'm giving 282 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: it a nine. So I'm going to read you my list. 283 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: I think you'll like it. Ready Player one by Ernest Klein, 284 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: Bellcanto by Ann Patchett, The Shadow of the Wind by 285 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: Carlos Ruiz Zafron, The Phone Sorry Only Child by Rhiannon Nevin, 286 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: Off the Clock by Laura vander Kamp by its own 287 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: method got a nine. I don't think anyone got a 288 00:14:54,440 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: tense Fair Town by Frederick Bachman and Queen of Hearts 289 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: by Kimrie Martin, The Things we Were Promised by Lucy 290 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Tan Being Mortal by a Tool Gwande, and The Great 291 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: Alone by Kristin Hannah, So that those were my favorite books, 292 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: certainly like the top twenty five percent of the books 293 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: that I read this year, and I love them all 294 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: enough to give them lease to nine. So there you go. 295 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: It's a good list. There's a couple of theres that 296 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: I haven't read that I've have on my list, so 297 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: I'll have to get through them, but possibly not in 298 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: the rest of December. Maybe they got my twenty nineteen. 299 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: You saw one movie in theaters. I saw one movie. 300 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: I saw Crazy Rich Asians, and I loved it. And 301 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: I do think it's possible we'll be able to see 302 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: A Star is Born. If it doesn't come out of theaters, 303 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: if it's not already by the end of the year, 304 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: maybe we'll find it in like a budget theater somewhere 305 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: the second theater. Yeah, but you watch some more TV, 306 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: which is also possible to do ale nursing right, Yes, well, 307 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: I didn't do you know I was mostly reading, but 308 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: like Josh and I have our shows that we watched, 309 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: and I would say my favorite thing I watched all 310 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: year was one of my loves of the week, Gorgeous 311 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Ladies of Wrestling Season two, also known as Glow very 312 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: good show. I saw a picture for that. I'm like, 313 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: oh my lord, it's best. I highly recommend. And we 314 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: saw one concert Father John Misty, and that was great too. Yeah, no, 315 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: that sounds that sounds really awesome. Let's see I've been 316 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: what have I done? So Yeah. Reading wasn't as great 317 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: as the other. But I did keep up with my 318 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: running streak, which has been fun and we know almost 319 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: well in this air is probably will be at two years. 320 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: That is amazing. Sang with my choir, which I quite 321 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: enjoyed getting sort of back into the swing of things 322 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: with singing. I enjoyed writing my a novel during National 323 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: Novel Writing Month, which is November. That setup is that 324 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: you write a fifty thousand word novel in the thirty 325 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: days of November. The idea being that you, you know, 326 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: just gow to crank it out. A lot of people say, 327 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: like I have in the novel, I want to write, 328 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: I want to write this novel something we'll have about 329 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: this day, all right, like the choose this month. And 330 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: it's so crazy to write a fifty thousand word novel 331 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: in it's definitely doable, by the way, even if you 332 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: have like a full time job. It's it's probably gonna 333 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: take you about two extra hours a day. I totally 334 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: want to do it, by the way. You should do 335 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: it next year. You know, if you have a novel 336 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: and you and say, well, this is I'm going to 337 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: get this fifty thousand word draft on, it's probably not 338 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: gonna be done at that and it's not going to 339 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: be like amazing, but who cares. It'll be a it'll 340 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: be a book. It'll be a very bad book, and 341 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: then you go back and make it better, right, Like 342 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a big believer in like righte fast, edit, 343 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: s low and and so it's a good way to 344 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: just get it out and do it. You know, it's 345 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: like doing a whole thirty challenge, right, you could do 346 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: anything for thirty days and then you're and then you're good. 347 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: So I did that. Yeah, that's that's been fun. How 348 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: about on the exercise front, sir, how's your how's your 349 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: ear on that? I got really into beach Buddy for 350 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: a while. I want to get back to it, Beau. 351 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: I think it was great. I mean I'm still run 352 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: here and there. I don't feel like I've had like 353 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,120 Speaker 1: a good It's just been really hard with the baby 354 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: sleep issues, and I think I've give myself more leeway 355 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: and I think it's been the right time to just 356 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: be a little slack there, So I'm excited to pick 357 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 1: it back up. Well, hey, your year for your word 358 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: for the year was space, right, so the space slack 359 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: can both be they give mean the same thing, So 360 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: there you go. They're definitely related words. I think I 361 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: wrote that I carved myself some space with a nice 362 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: pick because I do feel like I managed to make 363 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: that word come true. But it seems sort of silly 364 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: given how much we have had going on. Yeah, but 365 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: you got it done. It was a good year, right, 366 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: full year, but it was a good year. It was 367 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: a good year. Yeah, and your kids really grew up 368 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: a lot, they did. I mean I started the year with, 369 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: you know, somebody still in diapers. We had taken the 370 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: side down the crib, but he was still in the 371 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: crib and now he's in a big boy bed, potty trained, 372 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: going to school, like I only have big kids. It's 373 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: kind of crazy. It's totally true. It's a different phase 374 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: of life. Although he's still been waking up at ridiculous hours. 375 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: So the other day he fell out of bed at 376 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: three thirty, came and got me, I'm sorry you fell 377 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: about it. I guess I'll put you back in, but 378 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: you know. And then another day he was like, you 379 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: wanted to play the computer was two thirty in the morning. 380 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: Came in. Oh, no, doubt me for that. I'm like no. 381 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: And we taught him like how to read sevens at 382 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: the front of the clock, but he just doesn't care. 383 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this is the rebel child. He's like, interesting 384 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: that you told me to stay in my room, unil 385 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: it's pay seven and I don't want to stay in 386 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: my room, so I'm not going to Well. I had 387 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: a trifecta of all three children waking me up for 388 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: separate things last night, and Josh's Josh isn't in another 389 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: country for work, so that was So maybe it's not 390 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: going to be over anytime soon. I don't know, because 391 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: I have kids that are older than Alex that are 392 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: still fighting reasons that they need me. All right, So 393 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: that was twenty eighteen. Let's let's go to our get 394 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: to our Q and a day. Okay, So, question, what 395 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: are strategies for pushing through entertaining young children when the 396 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: activities they want to do are exhausting or boring or 397 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: otherwise unpleasant for you? I just love this question because 398 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: for a couple of reasons. Number one, it's like, oh, 399 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: I proactively want to fix this. But number two, it's 400 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: like admitting it. You know, sometimes when you're hanging out 401 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: with a toddler, you may not be in the mood 402 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: to hang out with a toddler, and there may not 403 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: be like utter joy in the beauty of their cute, 404 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: little chunky hands. Like you just might not want to 405 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: be hanging out with your toddler, but they're there and 406 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: you have to and we might as well make the 407 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: best of it. So I'm not sure I have an answer, 408 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: but I still love this question. Like I felt like 409 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: companionship in this question that I love. I mean, it's 410 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: like I love Genevieve so much, but then like sometimes 411 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: when I'm alone with her for hours, it's like, well, 412 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: it might be nice to have somebody who is able 413 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 1: to talk to I like do something entertainingly. So my 414 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: strategies have been over the years. Number one, changes of scenery. 415 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: So when I'm just like ready to die, going outside helps, 416 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: going to another place, meeting up with somebody else because 417 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: then I can talk to somebody. That makes the time 418 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: go much much much faster. Planning ahead and then making 419 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: a deal to trade off time with your partner so 420 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: that you know that you're gonna spend two hours, but 421 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: then you're going to get the treat of like going 422 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: to read for an hour after that, or going to 423 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: do something else, taking all your kids if you have 424 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: a brood and just going for a walk like that, 425 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: you know, the power of the sun and just being outside, 426 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,199 Speaker 1: or the cold weather if you live somewhere cold. And 427 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: then my favorite that I swear I've been doing recently 428 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: and it kind of works, is to treat it as 429 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: a meditation exercise, so like I'm not going to look 430 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: at my phone. I'm just going to like be here. 431 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to like notice little things. And I kind 432 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: of did that at the museum yesterday. I had all 433 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: three kids with me, and the time actually went really fast, 434 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: and I kind of enjoyed it. So sometimes it doesn't work, 435 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: and sometimes it does, but it may be worth a shot. Yeah, 436 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I mean that one thing is 437 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: I mean you can try to switch up the activities 438 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: so they are not exhausting or boring or otherwise unpleasant 439 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: for you. Like you don't actually have to do exactly 440 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: what the kid wants to do. Ay in general, like, 441 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're kids, like and you're the adult, Like, 442 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to They're a two year old. They 443 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: don't get to set the day of a set the 444 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: day's agenda. This is not you are in charge. So like, 445 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, the fact that they want to do something 446 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: doesn't I's so in fact, I mean you need to 447 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: do it as well. You know you can also if 448 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: you want to engage with their desires, you can also 449 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: elect to do stuff that you could push them toward 450 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: things that you more want to do, right, so that 451 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: you know they want to go or not go somewhere, 452 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: but like you know, maybe it's a playground, or maybe 453 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: it's a zoo and you like the zoo better than 454 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 1: the playground, We'll go to the zoo. You're the one driving, right, like, 455 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: or if they want to play a board game, and 456 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: you hate Candyland, Like, choose a different game that you 457 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: really enjoy, and candy Land has mysteriously gotten up on 458 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: the top shelf where nobody can find it or see 459 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: it or remember it exists, right and so, or you know, 460 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: or just do it, like oftentimes it's the whining is 461 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: the worst part of it. They're asking you again and 462 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 1: again to do something you really really don't want to do, 463 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: like maybe just do it once, and like they might 464 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: lose interest after you've done it once. I sort of 465 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: felt that way about playing Busy Town with Alex the 466 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: other day. He wanted to play which is not even 467 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: as bad a board game as some other one, Like 468 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: I don't really like board games at all, but this 469 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: one at least is like cooperative and semi fun in 470 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: some ways. And so, you know, we played it twice 471 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: and then he was done with it, and you know 472 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: that only took like twenty minutes, and then good, do 473 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: something else, you know, get stories in the house that 474 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: you like to read, you know, ste we were like, 475 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: oh yeah, let's just say, hey, let's read this story together, like, 476 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: not this other thing that you really find boring or 477 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: exhausting or otherwise unpleasant. To use the language that they did, 478 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: you know, and we I'm definitely a fan of planning 479 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: ahead as well. Like like Sarah said, we we just 480 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, I've been thinking about the well, on Thanksgiving weekend, 481 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: we'll be dealing with the kids all for holiday break here. 482 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: But when we were going through the Thanksgiving week and 483 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: my husband I sort of sat down ahead of time 484 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: and said, Okay, what are the activities we'll do to 485 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: get the kids out of the house and sort of 486 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: plan our days like the morning activity and like the 487 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: afternoon activity, and you know, what are the things that 488 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: we'd like to do, and so we could combine them 489 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: to do. You know what, we want to see this 490 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: art exhibit, So we're going to go to that first. 491 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: And yes, we'll only be at the exhibit for like 492 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: forty five minutes grand total, if we're lucky. But then 493 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: we'll go do this thing the kids want to do 494 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: and we'll get them out and you know, so just 495 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: combining it. If you have some of the stuff that 496 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: you like, and we we've talked about this with this 497 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: podcast in the past, there's some stuff you like to do, 498 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: it makes it easier to get through the stuff you 499 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: don't totally all right. Well, this has been a nice, short, 500 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: tidy episode. We should just end with our love of 501 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: the week, which mine has to do with the episode. 502 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: I am just so happy. I kept that paper list 503 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: of books with readings for the year, and I'm going 504 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: to do that again. Yeah, that's your love of the week. 505 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: I'll do the love of the week from something we 506 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: did over the Thanksgiving break. We went to this. I 507 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: mentioned going to that art exhibit. We saw Birth more 508 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: so at the Barnes Foundations, and Birth more so is 509 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: my new discovery. It's awesome, an impressionist painter who is 510 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: a woman who knew you know, people will hear all 511 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: the time about like you know, Monet or all the others, 512 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: and not about her. I don't know what reason, because 513 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: I've looked at all her art now and she's every 514 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: bit as good as they are. So but fortunately a 515 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of her work is out there and is being exhibited, 516 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: but it hasn't really been pulled together in one place 517 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: so much. But there's a touring exhibit now and it 518 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: has been at the Barns and we'll be there through January. 519 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: Swillian saw it was great. She has amazing paintings of children, 520 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: domestic scenes, you know, her husband and her daughter playing together. 521 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: Those are some of my favorite that she was painting, 522 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: The two of them hanging out in the park having 523 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: little daddy daughter time. So gorgeous stuff. If you can 524 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: see the work somewhere, please go do it. I love 525 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: that all right. Well, this has been Best of Both 526 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: Worlds Episode seventy three for our listeners who are celebrating Christmas. 527 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you everyone else. I hope you're having 528 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,719 Speaker 1: a wonderful day, and we'll be back next week with 529 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: more on making work in life fit together. Thanks for listening. 530 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 531 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 532 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 533 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: been the Best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us 534 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.