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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 2: name is Noel.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are here and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know as we record today on Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: June twenty First, there is a submersible in trouble. There

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Speaker 1: are also some people in trouble in the world of

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Speaker 1: the body part trade, and there are pre that you

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Speaker 1: should not trust, which we know sounds a bit Shakespearean,

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Speaker 1: but you'll see what we're what we're talking about. Maybe

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Speaker 1: we start today with the with the thing that has

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Speaker 1: increasingly taken the forefront of the zeitgeist here in the US.

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Speaker 1: It's not the burgeoning geopolitical tensions. It's not the stuff

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Speaker 1: we talked about with with Chia and Cuba. It's five

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Speaker 1: people who went James Cameron style to explore the wreckage

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Speaker 1: of the liner Titanic, which we talked about the Titanic

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Speaker 2: We did yeah, and there was Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean the biggest conspiracy of all is there was

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Speaker 2: It's my hot take, but yeah, a tragedy, right, a massive,

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Speaker 2: massive tragedy that lives in history books. For every student

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Speaker 2: the titan You've likely seen the movie about it. It

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Speaker 2: is still, let's say, a thing, an event in time

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Speaker 2: that is a fascination for a lot of people, and

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Speaker 2: specifically the wreckage of that site. When we think about

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Speaker 2: James Cameron's obsession with it and all of the money

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Speaker 2: there in film a documentary years and years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some controversial interviews with James Matt where

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Speaker 1: it appears that our pal Heavy Jay is saying he

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Speaker 1: made the Titanic film primarily to get the funding for

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine having that kind of agency. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to make a blockbuster film so that I might build

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Speaker 3: Well, and just to have the foresight to know that

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Speaker 1: And people forget just how easy it is to lose

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Speaker 1: The Titanic for anyone who somehow got through life without

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Speaker 1: And on April fifteenth, nineteen twelve. It sank after colliding

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Speaker 1: There's a group of people called ocean Gate. Ocean Gate

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Speaker 1: Dear God right, different different franchise who could call our species.

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Speaker 1: But so first, in twenty twenty one, this outfit Ocean Gate.

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Speaker 1: It says, look, we have this submersible that we're really

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Speaker 1: And their mission is to make underwater exploration, let me

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I I feel like there would be some kind

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Speaker 1: Especially considering the surface of the ocean is itself fluid,

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Speaker 3: But it's not tethered like physically like those old like

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Speaker 2: Well it's a massive risk. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It's a thrill seeker type deal is what it is.

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Speaker 1: I have not met no.

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Speaker 2: Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm seeing this now, Matt, thank you for hitping

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Speaker 1: Well, let's figure this out before student loans come due

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Speaker 1: in October. Triggery that great recession, just going to slide

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Speaker 2: Oh, maybe the UAP can help us, help us up

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Speaker 2: put all that stuff aside, because guys, I'm gonna need

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a priest and I've been hired by iHeart

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Speaker 3: I read. Do you do parties, Matt, You show up

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Speaker 3: like in your priest garb and go around absolving people?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we go.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't No, that might be a fun spin,

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Speaker 2: I'm just joking. I'm completely joking. But it's a joke

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Speaker 2: that was written by the US Department of Labor's Wage

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's real Department of Labor too. You can tell

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Speaker 3: What a time? Yes, what a time?

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Speaker 2: So so nuts you guys. Within our doc there you

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Speaker 2: Broccoli who always calls us from there. The place is

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Speaker 2: called Takorea. Garibaldi. I think that's how you would say it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Jeribaldi Jeribaldi.

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Speaker 1: I think people will be able to find it with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just just type in fake priest, just spy.

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Speaker 3: Hey, come on, you'll get it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is what happened the company that owns

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and these these people may be sincere, and these

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Speaker 1: let's talk about how how much of your tips you report.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about the tips you report. And let's

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Speaker 2: allegedly doing that. They were also allegedly not paying employees

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Speaker 3: of the most infamous episodes about the I Think Amy's

434
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Speaker 3: Baking Company. That's this woman who just goes is completely

435
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 3: out of touch with reality and loses her mind right

436
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: there on camera because she thinks everyone is like a

437
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 3: sabotaging her and attacking her. But it's revealed that she

438
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Speaker 3: and her husband, who owned the restaurants together are are

439
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 3: taking tips from customers and pocketing them rather than give

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Speaker 3: them to their their staff, who, of course the customers

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Speaker 3: believe those tips are going to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just so grossh Yeah, it's not a

443
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: good practice, right. So it seems as though someone within

444
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: the organization, probably an employee that was feeling slighted because

445
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: of those practices, ended up making a report about the

446
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: company about these things, you know, alleging the company is

447
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: doing this. And it appears that this tactic of sending

448
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: in a priest is a retaliation, a way to root

449
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: out the employees who have been maybe speaking in their

450
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: opinion out of turn about the restaurant's activities. Here's here's

451
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: the other thing, guys. The company also retaliated allegedly by

452
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 2: threatening their employees with quote adverse immigration consequences if they

453
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Speaker 2: cooperated with the Department of Labor's investigation into the company.

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Speaker 2: Oh because somebody, because somebody snitched on the.

455
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's an escallation. Man. Also, I do want to

456
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: point out that no joke left behind on our recording. Today.

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Speaker 1: You have changed your your moniker to father snitch a lot,

458
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Speaker 1: which I am then.

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Speaker 2: Father snitch a lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is egregious on so many levels, you know,

461
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Speaker 3: just like, first of it's like a general workplace privacy

462
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: violation level, and just not to mention that they were

463
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: absolutely taking advantage of these folks, but then to besmirch

464
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: the name of a man of the cloth in this

465
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: way heresy, I say.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Diocese of Sacramento was not too happy about it,

467
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Speaker 2: and you can read their response to this whole thing

468
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Speaker 2: on the Catholic News Agency.

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Speaker 3: Do they use the word heresy?

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Speaker 2: I hope so well. I mean they've got some strong words.

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00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: It's just like, hey, we are not connected with whoever

472
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: this joker was. It's not us. We have nothing to

473
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: do with this. We didn't do we doism.

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Speaker 1: Famously concerned about it's branding. Uh but that in that

475
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: case then okay, that's one of the questions a lot

476
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: of us are going to have listening this evening. Uh So,

477
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: this apparently, per the diocese over there in Sacramento, this

478
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: is not an acknowledged member of the clergy.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely. I'll give you a little quote here from

480
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: that article. It is titled California restaurant had fake priest

481
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: here workers' confessions Labor Department says it is from the

482
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Speaker 2: Catholicnewsagency dot Com. There's no d in there, so Catholicnewsagency

483
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: dot Com. Here's the quote. While we don't know who

484
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: the person in question was, we are completely confident he

485
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: was not a priest of the Diocese of Sacramento.

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Speaker 3: I think he's gonna get it.

487
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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,

488
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: And I'm going to read a little more from this

489
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: actually because this is compelling. This is a quote from

490
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: someone named Maria who is a server at the Takaria,

491
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: and this is from her sworn affid David that's attached

492
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Speaker 2: to the lawsuit that the Department of Labor has against

493
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: this company, and she's talking about speaking with this person

494
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: purporting to be a priest. She says, quote, I found

495
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: the conversation to be strange and unlike normal confessions. Again,

496
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: they're targeting somebody and probably several people who are used

497
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: to going to confession, right, maybe Catholic civilians. She continues, quote,

498
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: He asked if I ever got pulled over for speeding,

499
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: if I drank alcohol, or if I had stolen anything.

500
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: The priest mostly had work related questions, which I thought

501
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: was strange.

502
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, little less eternal soul, little more secular.

503
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Speaker 3: It's pretty crazy, right, and heaven depends on your workplace conducts.

504
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well, hey, guys, so there is this federal

505
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: investigation and the reason why we're talking about it today

506
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: is because the findings were just released and basically the

507
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: penalties the Takaria has to pay five thousand dollars in

508
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: penalties for their actions of hiring a fake purpose total

509
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: total five thousand dollars in penalties, which is just a

510
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: basically a civil charge for being naughty and hiring a

511
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: fake priest and you know, basically intimidating workers. But here's

512
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: the better thing for the workers. There are thirty five

513
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 2: employees who were affected by the other practices there, and

514
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: including the fake priest thing, but you know the other

515
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 2: stuff too, right, the problems that were occurring there. They

516
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 2: are going to get a combined total of one hundred

517
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: and forty thousand dollars split amongst.

518
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Speaker 1: Kay, just make clapping and clapping for you.

519
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, it's it's at least something, you know, it's

520
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: not a crazy amount of money, but it's enough to

521
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: hopefully make up for that missed overtime for the missed.

522
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: It's their money, you know, right, exactly exactly, So, guys,

523
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't have much else for this one. Besides, this

524
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: is nuts.

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00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: I got I've got one thing for you, Matt. I

526
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: looked up the menu. Right, this is a chain restaurant, right,

527
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: regional chain restaurant. There's I think there are at least

528
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Speaker 1: three at least three locations. So, uh, you know, the

529
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: test here is to check on the case adella prices

530
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: and one case idea dekat a like for two dollars

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Speaker 1: and twenty five cents. Doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem

532
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: right to me.

533
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: Wait, he was suspiciously deliciously low. Yeah, so likely not

534
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 3: using fresh ingredients.

535
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're not using real priest, that's for sure.

536
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Speaker 3: You have a faux priests. Probably a lot like one

537
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: of those. Uh, I mean, don't get me wrong, I

538
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: kind of like them. Thost. Have you've ever been a cookout?

539
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: They have a quote unquote casadea there it's literally just

540
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 3: shredded cheese and hot sauce on a on a tortilla.

541
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Speaker 2: You know what, I'm just hungry enough right now where

542
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: that sounds delicious?

543
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: You want to take a snack break.

544
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: Oh please, God, please, all right, I am really angry.

545
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

546
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: I'll give the Department of Labor the last word here

547
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: quote the US Department of Labor, in its Solicitor's office

548
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: will not tolerate workplace retaliation and will act swiftly to

549
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: make clear that immigration status has no bearing on workers'

550
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Speaker 2: rights under the Fair Labor and Standards Act.

551
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: Okay, tough words, right, let's go. Yeah, kind of hope

552
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: that the archdiocese's words were a little bit more cutting.

553
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you want to hear you want to hear

554
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: some Yeah?

555
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: I think yeah.

556
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 2: They're quoted as saying shame on you, fake priest.

557
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 3: I call it fake priest.

558
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: All right, that's it for now. We'll be right back

559
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: after a word from our sponsor.

560
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Speaker 3: And we've returned with one more p of strange news. Matt,

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Speaker 3: If that last story made you angary, way do you

562
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: get a load of this one? Okay, that's a very

563
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: morbid setup for a very sad and morbid story about

564
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: a person similar to years, though in some ways it's

565
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: about a person occupying position of trust and authority absolutely

566
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: bulldozing over that responsibility in the most egregious way possible.

567
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: Harvard Medical School. You know, yes, you hear that. You

568
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: think of one of the top Ivy League institutions of

569
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: higher learning, you don't necessarily think about creepy morga managers

570
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: selling body parts to oddity shops, do you No, No,

571
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: That's exactly what was found out here. Federal prosecutors alleged

572
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: that the manager of the Harvard Medical School Morgue was

573
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: part of a network that bought and sold remains from

574
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Speaker 3: the medical school and an Arkansas mortuary. So I guess

575
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 3: they have maybe like a satellite mortuary. I'm not quite

576
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: sure to get to that in a second. This is wild.

577
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: This guy, Cedric Lodge fifty five and his wife, Denise Lodge,

578
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 3: sixty three, of Goffstown, New Hampshire, and several others are

579
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: being indicted by a federal grand jury in Pennsylvania on

580
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: charges of conspiracy an interstate transport of stolen goods. Again,

581
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: what manner of stolen goods, you might ask, Well, let's see,

582
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: we're talking human remains stolen from Harvard Medical School and

583
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Speaker 3: a mortuary in Little Rock, Arkansas, where miss Scott was employed.

584
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: So it seems like they've got you know, they must have,

585
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 3: They've got that in common, this is a happy couple

586
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: that met over their love of cadavers. Harvard Medical School,

587
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: speaking of angry condemnation of people betraying the trust of

588
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: the public, Harvard Medical School released a statement referring to

589
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: this in the most academic fashion possible as an aberrant betrayal.

590
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: I love that the word abarant only academics use that.

591
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: That's a harsh one. So between twenty eighteen and twenty

592
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: twenty two, and some of these details actually come from

593
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: a fabulous New York Times piece by Michael Levinson. Between

594
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: those years twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two, the loges

595
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 3: collectively stole parts from bodies cadavers that had been donated

596
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 3: to the medical school and dissected. These are cadavers that

597
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: are you know, people I guess who opt to donate

598
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Speaker 3: their bodies to science. This would be one of those options.

599
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: And again we've talked about this in the past, where

600
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: you don't necessarily get to decide where your body goes.

601
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: Isn't that right, Ben, when we're talking about body brokers

602
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 3: and donating your body to science, you can't. Maybe you

603
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: can decide where goes, which can't decide how it's going

604
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: to be used. What were the kind of the caveats

605
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: surrounding them.

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00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's correct. We have an episode on the very gray,

607
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: sometimes red market known as body brokerage. There are not

608
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: regulations for it. It is in the most unfortunate sense

609
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: of the term, very much a wild West.

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00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, not to mention. Once you start getting these bad actors,

611
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: you know, who are the kind of middle people in

612
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: these exchanges. But again you think about institution like Harvard.

613
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: This would be someone who had been heavily vetted, has

614
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 3: some academic background, somebody trustworthy. But she goes to sow.

615
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 3: You can't really trust anybody. We're talking about limbs, severed heads, brains,

616
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: dissected faces, you know, individual parts of hands and fingers

617
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: and right human skulls. An absolute chop shop. And the

618
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: thing is too this guy would let some of his

619
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: buyers in kind of sneak them into the morgue so

620
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: they could have the pick of the litter. You know,

621
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: they look around you, what do you want? What you

622
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: need a toe? I can get you a toe, And

623
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: then they tell him and then he ships it to them.

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00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: One such customer, a woman by the name of Katrina McLean,

625
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 3: a forty four year old resident of Salem, Massachusetts who

626
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: owns the pretty cute, silly named cats Creepy Creations in Peabody, Massachusetts.

627
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 3: We have a place kind of like that here in Atlanta,

628
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: I call Rainy Day Revival. It sells, you know, mummified

629
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: you know, usually taxidermy and stuff like that, crucifixes. I've

630
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: actually got kind of a minor collection of crucifixes and

631
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: I'm bioloed them from there. And they also lease a

632
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: lot of their stuff out to film here in Atlanta.

633
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: And I actually had the occasion to visit the home

634
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 3: of somebody who used to work for them as a

635
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 3: prop manager for movies. He was going through a bit

636
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: of a tough time because of some the writer's strike,

637
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 3: and so he was selling some synthesizers and I purchased

638
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 3: one of them from him. And when I walked into

639
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: his house, I couldn't help but notice a giant case

640
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: of human skulls, to which he told me, let's he

641
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: definitely wasn't selling any of those, and then he proceeded

642
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: to clue me into some of the laws surrounding human remains. Apparently,

643
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: it's kind of like that scene in pulp fiction where

644
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: John Travold's character is talking about marijuana laws and Amsterdam.

645
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: It's illegal to sell them, it's illegal to transport them

646
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: across state lines, but it's not illegal to possess them.

647
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: So there's a lot, and then it's probably differs state

648
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Speaker 3: to state as well. So it does seem that there's

649
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Speaker 3: again radio revival, great shop. No reason to believe that

650
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Speaker 3: they're participating anything like this, but I can see how,

651
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Speaker 3: you know, it might be potentially lucrative to get some

652
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Speaker 3: real special pieces that you keep kind of in the

653
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: back room sell to only the discerning customer. Right. Miss

654
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 3: MacLean apparently paid mister Lodge six hundred dollars for two

655
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 3: dissected faces. According to prosecutors in the case, they found

656
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Speaker 3: a paper trail for some of this stuff, payments with

657
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: memos on them, one of them that just read breaks,

658
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: which is pretty wild and in portaste. All of this

659
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: is in poor taste, guys. I'm not quite sure where

660
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: to go from here. I mean, obviously there's something you

661
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 3: know that's darkly humorous about this, but also it's an

662
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Speaker 3: absolute betrayal. I mean, is it is totally you know,

663
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Speaker 3: a really low nasty type of crime. You say it's

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Speaker 3: victimless because these people are dead. But I don't think

665
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Speaker 3: it's victimless. You know, you are going against directly against

666
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Speaker 3: somebody's wishes and essentially having their remains serve as some

667
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: sort of like weird you know, mantle ornaments. What do

668
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Speaker 3: you guys think?

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Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to talk about the toll amount of

670
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Speaker 2: money if you don't mind, guys, just really quickly, yeah, please,

671
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Speaker 2: how lucrative could this be? Right? And I think we

672
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 2: examined that a little bit in our last the full

673
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Speaker 2: episode we did on this topic. And do you have

674
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Speaker 2: any reporting about how much this group.

675
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Speaker 3: Made roughly forty grand between twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one,

676
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Speaker 3: which isn't a ton if you think about it, like

677
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 3: for that amount of time, you know, and obviously you

678
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 3: can only do this so much before people catch on.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and nine, interestingly enough, in the Body

680
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: Broker's episode dove into the stats and the research. In

681
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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, a very prestigious business school professor

682
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Speaker 1: estimated that the total number of full bodies not chop

683
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Speaker 1: chopped donated to the US in the United States, to

684
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Speaker 1: all groups, law enforcement, automobile manufacturers, you know what I mean,

685
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Speaker 1: forensic stuff like the Tennessee body fart all that stuff,

686
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Speaker 1: medical research too. It all total to twenty thousand bodies

687
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Speaker 1: about year over year. The reason I say a prestigious

688
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: business school, Noll, you might find this of interest. That

689
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Speaker 1: professor is from the Harvard Business School, so right next

690
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Speaker 1: to right right on campus with these absolutely ghoulish resurrection men.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's it's obviously it's it's not

693
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Speaker 3: like it's just just chock full of staff. You know,

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Speaker 3: it probably just takes one or two people to run

695
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Speaker 3: a department like this. Yeah. I mentioned maybe on a

696
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Speaker 3: previous episode that I recently went to the Mutcher Museum

697
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Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, which is an incredible place. You know, it's

698
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: a connected with the Association of Physicians I forget I'm

699
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: getting the name exactly right, but a long standing organization

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Speaker 3: dedicated to preserving the history of the medical profession, you know,

701
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Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, which is of course very old city here

702
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: in the United States. And there is one part of

703
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 3: the museum where you can kind of look through and

704
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: see this laboratory where there are people actively cataloging things

705
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Speaker 3: that they get in because you know, collections will be

706
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Speaker 3: donated to the Mutor Museum, whether it be collections of

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00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: skulls or you know, human remains and all of that.

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Speaker 3: And even the Motor Museum has been kind of in

709
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: some hot water lately and took some stuff off of

710
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: social media because they were getting kind of yelled at

711
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: by people saying, you're exploiting these people in their memory.

712
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 3: You don't know who these people are, you know, for example,

713
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 3: some of these subjects are unidentified, and they do everything

714
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Speaker 3: they can to be as descriptive as possible with the

715
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 3: little placards. But my point is when you look through

716
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Speaker 3: into this lab, it's like one person, you know, cataloging

717
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: slides and whatever, you know, fetuses in jars, maybe one

718
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: other person kind of in a back room, but real

719
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Speaker 3: no pun intended pun intended skeleton crew. So my point

720
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Speaker 3: is you could do this and and fly under the

721
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Speaker 3: radar for quite a long time, which they clearly did.

722
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Speaker 3: And just to wrap it up on my end, here

723
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Speaker 3: is a little bit more of the statement from the

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Speaker 3: Harvard Medical School community to two deans that were sort

725
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: of explaining how they came to be aware of this

726
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: and their their take on mister Lodge's activities. Quote, we

727
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: are appalled to learn that something so disturbing could happen

728
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 3: on our campus, a community dedicated to healing and serving others.

729
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 3: The reported incidents are a betrayal of HMS and most importantly,

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Speaker 3: each of the individuals who altruistically chose to will their

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Speaker 3: bodies to HMS. So that answers one of my questions. Yes,

732
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 3: you can will your body to a specific institution, UH

733
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Speaker 3: through the Anatomical Gift Program to advance medical education and research,

734
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Speaker 3: and that is a thing. Harvard Medical School does have

735
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Speaker 3: a program called the Anatomical Gift Program, which is is

736
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Speaker 3: what you would have had something in your last will

737
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: and testaments and all of that to indicate you wanted

738
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Speaker 3: your remains donated to this program for these exact purposes.

739
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's a betrayal of those people and their

740
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 3: wishes and that's gross. Not to mention the whole thing

741
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: is just kind of ease. Are the creeps? What do

742
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Speaker 3: you guys think? I don't know.

743
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just horrifying.

744
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's about the size of it.

745
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can see the angle you're talking about.

746
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: It's what we talked about before. I can see the

747
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 2: unfortunate angle that somebody might come to the rationalization, I'm

748
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: not hurting anybody by taking these body parts and selling them.

749
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: Nobody's getting hurt, but they're not thinking about the families

750
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: of that individual. And I don't just there's something. It

751
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 2: is up on the borderline of the moras, right, and

752
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: the things we just decide as a society we don't do.

753
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: Don't mess with dead bodies, geez right.

754
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: It is a great social taboo, you know, the kimmata

755
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: vocation of what once was part of a living person.

756
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: I cannot I don't always say this, but I cannot

757
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: recommend the earlier Body Broker's episode from I think it

758
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: was April twenty twenty two. Enough. We dive into a

759
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: lot of the things we're talking about here, and every

760
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: single subject matter expert that we reference there that we

761
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: cite is agree again, this is an horrific wild West,

762
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: you know, because oftentimes also by the way, this practice

763
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: is only exacerbated in other countries. I mean, check into

764
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, look into your neck of the global woods,

765
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: look and see whether there's a body exhibit at your

766
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: local museum. Those come from non consensual body donations of

767
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: often Chinese place prisoners. It's it's a dirty, dirty thing.

768
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: There really is a conspiracy of foot and Noel, I

769
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: am so glad that at least one came to light,

770
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: but statistically we have to realize there are more out there.

771
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 3: Now right that it agreed, agreed, And then this really

772
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 3: is like a perfect companion piece for that episode that

773
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: we've referenced a couple of times. So do check that

774
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: out if you get the chance. And yeah, I think

775
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 3: in the meantime, that's that's it for this one. I mean,

776
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 3: it'll again wondering if any additional members of this network

777
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: will be exposed. That might be the thing to keep

778
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 3: an eye on. And how far does it go? You know?

779
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: I mean, if an institution is prestigious as Harvard Medical

780
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 3: School could be prey to this kind of behavior, what

781
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: about the community college Morgues? You know what of that?

782
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like, no, no one body is better

783
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 3: or more attractive than another when it comes to like

784
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: selling them for two enthusiasts, I guess call them, you know,

785
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 3: I mean, a body's a body, a skull's a skull,

786
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: So you're right, Ben, I bet you. It will be

787
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 3: interesting to see if any other participants are uncovered, because

788
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 3: refer to it as like kind of a ring, you know,

789
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: but they're really only about four people that are named

790
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 3: in the indictment, And this.

791
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: May be is where we cast our net in a

792
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: fishing expedition. For your help, fellow conspiracy realist, what do

793
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: you think will develop with the Titan submersible? How easy

794
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: is it in the modern day? How damningly easy is

795
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: it to lose a craft at sea? When's the last

796
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: time you impersonated a priest? And for what reason? We

797
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: hope you weren't doing it to oppress workers. Maybe you

798
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: were just maybe you're just doing some social experiments on

799
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: your local public transit, in which case, who are we

800
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: to judge, certainly not members of the clergy. And this idea,

801
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: what we just talked about, the idea of organ thievery,

802
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: of body brokers. It's a really nasty thing and it

803
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: is absolutely true, and you need to be careful whenever

804
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: you or a loved one are signing yourself up for

805
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: a posthumous donation, you need to know there's often more

806
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: to the story. There are things they don't want you

807
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: to know when you sign those papers.

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