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Speaker 1: Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we doing well? That's good

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Speaker 1: us too. It is our number two of the drive

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Speaker 1: here on Steelers Nation Radio. Into the phone lines we

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Speaker 1: go to talk to Bob Labriola, of course, the Dean

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Speaker 1: of Doom, the lord of living in his fears, Steelers historian,

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Speaker 1: all around swell guy, Labs. Thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: As always, we've missed you these last couple weeks with

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Speaker 1: some holidays getting in the way of our Thursday conversations.

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Speaker 1: But good to have you back into the fold here,

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Speaker 1: obviously at a very exciting time. Labs, you have I

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Speaker 1: think a better scope of Steeler's history than just about

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Speaker 1: anybody doing this. So I wanted to ask you about

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Speaker 1: that win over the Ravens Sunday night. I've been saying,

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Speaker 1: you know that that's time capsule, instant classic stuff. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of what Matt and I have been saying all week.

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Speaker 1: Is that too much?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: For an organization that has six Super Bowls and so

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Speaker 1: much history, does a regular season game belong in the

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Speaker 1: time capsule? Even one you know that feels as special

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Speaker 1: as that? Is that going too far? Is that fair

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Speaker 1: to say? With what you witnessed on Sunday evenings and labs.

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Speaker 3: I was down to the facility today and there's a

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Speaker 3: bunch of people saying they thought that was the second

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Speaker 3: best Raven Steeler game ever.

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Speaker 2: Like, wow, well, I was gonna I was gonna put

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Speaker 2: it up there, you know you first, first of all,

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Speaker 2: the best Raven Steelers game ever was the two thousand

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Speaker 2: and eight AFC Championship. Yes, agreed for the stakes and

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Speaker 2: also for the violent nature of the game. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was a lot of hard hitting. I believe to

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Speaker 2: this day that that is was the impetus for the

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Speaker 2: NFL's player safety initiative.

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Speaker 3: You've said that before and it's resonated with me. I

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Speaker 3: think you're right, Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Just the way it ended. I mean, Willis mcgahey laid

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Speaker 2: out like that, it's a clean hit. It was legal.

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Speaker 2: I just I just think that you know, the legal

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Speaker 2: watched that. They didn't act on it immediately, but I

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Speaker 2: think that you know, that was a game that certainly

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Speaker 2: that the national media in attendance, you know, it was

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Speaker 2: just just the fact that it was for a spot

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. It was very well attended, very watched,

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Speaker 2: watched over and over and over again, and I just

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Speaker 2: you know, think that that that's what became of it

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Speaker 2: in that way, I would rate Sunday or yeah, Sunday

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Speaker 2: Night's game as the second most significant missfield goal in

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Speaker 2: Steelers franchise history, the first being vander Jet and the

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Speaker 2: five divisional round. And I would put you know, because

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Speaker 2: the last Sunday Night Steelers Ravens game was winner take all.

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Speaker 2: You know, there have been Steelers Ravens games late in

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Speaker 2: the season where you know, the winner could like, for example,

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Speaker 2: the Christmas Day game, the Immaculate Extension and Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers won that game, they clinched the division and

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Speaker 2: they also eliminated the Ravens. Now, what's different about last

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Speaker 2: Sunday Night to me is if the Steelers didn't win

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Speaker 2: that Christmas Day game, they weren't eliminated. Yeah. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: so just you know, the winner take all aspect of it,

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Speaker 2: I think puts it, you know, up there really high

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Speaker 2: on the list in that series. You know, you had

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Speaker 2: those three big plays in the fourth quarter, you know,

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Speaker 2: the missfield goal that all set up by a protection

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Speaker 2: issue on an extra point that you know made it

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Speaker 2: a win or lose kick by Tyler Loop, you know.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm putting it up there. I would say

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Speaker 2: after the two thousand and eight AFC Champions Chip Game,

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Speaker 2: in terms of significance, last Sunday Night was number two.

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Speaker 3: I get it. Do you have any theory on this

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Speaker 3: ridiculous streak on Monday nights? I mean both Tomlin, I

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Speaker 3: mean home or road, And I do believe he's a

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Speaker 3: better coach than most when given extra rest, So I

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Speaker 3: think there's something for that. But I mean, Labs, the

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Speaker 3: last time they lost at home on Monday Night, I

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Speaker 3: was a senior in high school. I mean, like, there

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Speaker 3: has to That can't be a fluke.

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Speaker 2: You know, No, it can't be, because you know, you look,

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Speaker 2: you look at some of the you know, some of

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Speaker 2: the statistics. You know, the Steelers they're winning percentage at

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Speaker 2: home all time on Monday Night football starting nineteen seventy was,

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Speaker 2: which is when it began, is the best of any

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And they don't schedule bad teams for Monday Night opponents.

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Speaker 2: Usually they do not, especially in time right. Sometimes it

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Speaker 2: ends up that way, you know, because of the schedule

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Speaker 2: games aren't played until you know, late November December, and

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Speaker 2: one team or another doesn't live up to expectations. But no, Certainly,

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Speaker 2: when Monday Night Football began, that was a showcase game,

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Speaker 2: and being on that in that timeslot was considered, I

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Speaker 2: anation of your program, you know, so to speak. So no,

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Speaker 2: I can't explain it, but it is. It's been going

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Speaker 2: five years, so yeah, it's not. It's pretty funny. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I know that our fan base here in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, I think you know, noises is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you can get around it. So I I

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Speaker 2: just hope it continues one more time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, labs.

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Speaker 1: I I feel like we've been saying all season that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Cam Hayward and aging like a fine wine.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting to the point though, where I'm ready to

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Speaker 1: reverse that and start saying that fine wine ages like

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward. I mean, my goodness, best player on the

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Speaker 1: field for Matt and I's money on Sunday Night. He's

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Speaker 1: played more snaps than any interior defensive lineman in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League. Uh, he has just been a force.

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Speaker 1: He's played at an all pro level this year. And man,

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Speaker 1: it really feels like with Cam is the spearhead that

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Speaker 1: the right time. They've finally gotten some reprieve in the

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Speaker 1: the last month month and a half. I'm feeling really

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Speaker 1: good about the Steelers in both both sides of the trenches,

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Speaker 1: I think, but particularly on defense and mostly because of

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Speaker 1: the current form of the captain, Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, Cam is certainly leading the way

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Speaker 2: And you know, and instead of Derek Harmon and y

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Speaker 2: And I really think that, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: If they are, you know, that creates creases that allows

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Speaker 2: the way. The first play of that game against the Ravens,

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Speaker 3: So, speaking of lines and big people, are you in

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Speaker 2: Playing pretty well. Yeah. I do really like how they

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Speaker 2: He of course now is on ir But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: is this the start of a guy making a march

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Speaker 2: to a Pro Bowl Berth, I don't know. We'll find

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Speaker 2: that out over the course of time. But Filtan who

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Speaker 2: Certainly as a six round pick. It's it's not like,

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Speaker 2: you know, he came in with a lot of expectations,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, and some of the part seems to be

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, and you know the passing off of

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Speaker 2: I mean, I beat this drum every time I'm on

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Speaker 2: with you guys. Aaron Rodgers has just been another game

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Speaker 2: with no turnovers, another game with no turnovers, and that

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Speaker 2: that to play to Calvin Austin the way, Rogers explained that,

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Speaker 2: you know, he had trips on the I believe trips

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Speaker 2: and then I just kind of caught out of my

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Speaker 2: eye my other eye that the defensive back slipped bingo,

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Speaker 2: he goes right to him. Perfect pass, touchdown. And you

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Speaker 2: know that's the kind of stuff that that's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: But you know, he doesn't give up on anything. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he's open to anything. He sees it instantly and delivers

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Speaker 2: the ball on time and accurately. And that's quarterback play

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Speaker 2: and this is the time of year when those kind

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Speaker 2: of plays, not only the good plays, but the bad ones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can and talk a little many negative plays

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Speaker 3: on this offense overall, run or pass, and that's him

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Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage and decision making and all

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Speaker 3: those things too, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, right, And if you go back and look at,

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Speaker 2: you know, some of the previous five playoff games, whatever

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Speaker 2: it was, the Steelers lost them all, and that was

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Speaker 2: at sixty three that nothing. They were outscored in the

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Speaker 2: and count the turnovers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was actually my last question for you, and

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Speaker 3: you kind of answered it. Is this playoff game feels

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Speaker 3: mahomes of Kansas City, and so much of it's because

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Speaker 3: of Rogers, is how it feels. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: it'll turn it out, but you.

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Speaker 2: Know, right, because you're not going in at a deficit

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Speaker 2: in the matchup at that position, you know, all due

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Speaker 2: respect to Mason Rudolph going to Buffalo, it's Mason Rudolph

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Speaker 2: and it's whoever against my homes. Yeah, you got whoever

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Speaker 2: it is. You know, there's no such he is. He

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Speaker 2: is outstanding in cold Rogers. I mean, there's nobody who

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Speaker 2: has he. You know, his his seasoning at lambeau Field

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Speaker 2: makes him good in the cold, snow, whatever, whatever kind

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Speaker 2: of inclement you want to come up with, and eator

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Speaker 2: to him, right, guys, unflappable he is. And beyond how

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Speaker 2: that calm and coolness impacts his play, I can only

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Speaker 2: imagine the impact it has in the huddle with those

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Speaker 2: other guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well said as always by the Great Bob Labriola, Steelers historian,

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Speaker 1: dean of Doom, lord of living in his fears, and

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Speaker 1: a treasured guest here on the drive every single week. Labs,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for the time, and we will

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Speaker 1: see you on Monday night.

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Speaker 2: All right, fellows, take there.

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Speaker 3: He goes