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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Let's just review for a moment what we

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Speaker 2: know where we are with the alleged criminal bribery scheme.

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Speaker 2: That's not just about Hunter Biden, but that involves Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden in the allegation specifically. And Senate Republicans have revealed,

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Speaker 2: including Senator Chuck Grassley, that they believe there is more

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Speaker 2: evidence to support this than had previously been known. This

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Speaker 2: all goes back to you'll recall there's been a fight

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Speaker 2: on the House side and on the Senate side over

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Speaker 2: this FBI FD ten twenty three confidential human source document.

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Speaker 2: You know, we had confidential source documents in the Intelligence

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Speaker 2: Division of the NYPD. We had similar situation inside the CIA, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean that you got to have some paperwork for

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Speaker 2: when people are bringing you information. Now, in this case,

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Speaker 2: a person who had been used as an FBI informant

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Speaker 2: in the past had brought information that was deemed to

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Speaker 2: be good so he was used for a number of years,

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Speaker 2: came forward and told the FBI about this. This is

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Speaker 2: from the Washington Examiner Mikola Zlatychevsky, the Ukrainian owner of

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Speaker 2: BIZ what what what I just.

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Speaker 1: I mean just the I mean all this is so

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Speaker 1: wildly shady, right, I mean, just hearing the names of

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Speaker 1: all these Ukrainians that are paying Joe Biden and everything else,

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Speaker 1: just it just sounds like a made up like James

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Speaker 1: Bond Kaper right when you just like kind of lay

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Speaker 1: out all the details. I can't even keep a straight

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Speaker 1: face about it.

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Speaker 2: This goes to just how absurd the whole thing is

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Speaker 2: to just take a moment and just have that gut

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Speaker 2: check for a second about Hold on a minute. It's

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Speaker 2: not like you had a Dutch or British or Japanese

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Speaker 2: you know, natural gas.

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Speaker 1: Or energy or whatever Amrican company right like yeah, like

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Speaker 1: it's totally normal and above board. And I mean this

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Speaker 1: is such a sham from the front.

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Speaker 2: Biden. Joe Biden was the point man for the Obama

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Speaker 2: administration in Ukraine at a time when there had been

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Speaker 2: you know, the Orange Revolution, and when there had been

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Speaker 2: years of fighting on the eastern side of it and

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Speaker 2: all kinds of graft and corruption, and I mean Ukraine

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Speaker 2: was a mess. Biden was put in charge by Obama,

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Speaker 2: which alone you would think is wow, right, this is

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Speaker 2: the guy. You're pretty I mean, you've said a million

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Speaker 2: times you wouldn't hire him for a single job at OutKick, right,

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Speaker 2: Like Biden isn't Biden isn't a guy you would want

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Speaker 2: in charge of anything. And somehow now he's technically in

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Speaker 2: charge of the country. But the companies are out of

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Speaker 2: the countries company located in that we're paying off. The

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Speaker 2: bidens come from our biggest adversary who's looking for any

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Speaker 2: advantage possible through dollars to us, or two individuals, which

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Speaker 2: is China and the country that is probably the most

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Speaker 2: in need of US foreign policy favors Ukraine. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: here we go. We get Zlatzchewski was the foreign national

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Speaker 2: involved in the alleged criminal bribery's scheme detailed the FBI form,

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Speaker 2: and referred to Joe Biden as the big guy during

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Speaker 2: a conversation several years before the June twenty twenty date

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Speaker 2: of the Bureau document. According to the FBI record described

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Speaker 2: to the Washington Examiner by sources, Grassley said that according

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Speaker 2: to the FD ten twenty three, the foreign national possesses

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Speaker 2: fifteen audio recordings of phone calls between him and Hunter

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Speaker 2: and the then Vice President Joe Biden. A couple things

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Speaker 2: before we get into it. I mean Ted Cruz. Just

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Speaker 2: Ted Cruz pulled out the howitzers in the Senate yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that in a second. But Clay, this

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Speaker 2: is the kind of thing where you would stop to say.

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, why would this corrupt Ukrainian oligarc be recording conversations

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Speaker 3: with the people that he's just business partners with unless

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Speaker 3: he was looking for leverage in case things went bad?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just to me step one of this buck.

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Speaker 1: I would just say to anybody out there listening, is

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Speaker 1: there a more shady group that you could go into

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Speaker 1: business with than? The answer is probably yes. There may

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Speaker 1: be a few more shady, But I'll give you a

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Speaker 1: quick story before we play Ted Cruz. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I've told you this story. I'm curious what you would

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Speaker 1: think about it. When I was doing my sports talk

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Speaker 1: radio show, my producer called me one afternoon, that's got

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Speaker 1: a really weird call. I said, what called you get?

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Speaker 1: He said, I was working out at the gym. My

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Speaker 1: phone ring, It's from Rings, It's from a blocked number,

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Speaker 1: and it's somebody from the Russian government saying they want

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Speaker 1: to invite Clay Travis to come to Moscow to watch

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Speaker 1: the election of Vladimir Putin and be able to report

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Speaker 1: about how honest it was. They're gonna fly me to Moscow.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna put me up in an elite hotel. The

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Speaker 1: Russian government has tracked down my producer of my radio show,

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Speaker 1: and all of this. I'm just saying, can I just

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Speaker 1: how was your how was your trip to Moscow? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I don't think I've told this story on

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Speaker 1: the radio before. And my reaction was the hell, I'm

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Speaker 1: I like to travel, but then I'm gonna go as

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Speaker 1: a guest of the Russian government and go to stay

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Speaker 1: in a hotel in Moscow. Like no, somebody reached out

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Speaker 1: to Hunter Biden like that Buck, some random dude in

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Speaker 1: Ukraine reached out to Hunter Biden and somehow he ended

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Speaker 1: up in this relationship with the Ukrainian interest. My point

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Speaker 1: on it is it's super shady. From the moment it begins,

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Speaker 1: and it is so incredibly shady.

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Speaker 2: Here's where I think we have to you know, we

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Speaker 2: have to think a couple layers into this, or a

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Speaker 2: few steps ahead of this. Even if Joe Biden knew

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Speaker 2: nothing about this, which I do not believe for one second,

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Speaker 2: I think the record shows he did know about Hunter

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Speaker 2: getting you know, these payoffs and being the bag man

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Speaker 2: for the family. The fact that his son would be

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Speaker 2: compromised in this way. I mean, criminal bribery is something

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Speaker 2: you can go to prison for for a long time.

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Speaker 2: That would mean And this is why I go back

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Speaker 2: to the recorded conversations. There is leverage against the then

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Speaker 2: vice president's son now president's son. Right, you start thinking about,

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Speaker 2: Hold on a second, what kind of game were these

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Speaker 2: different interests? We're talking millions of dollars, right. This isn't

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Speaker 2: even like, oh, we'll pay you, you know, we'll pay

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Speaker 2: you fifty grand to show up and give a speech.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, wait, why you want to hear me

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Speaker 2: speak in Russia? No, this is millions and millions of dollars.

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Speaker 2: And it's all where where there is smoke, there is fire.

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Speaker 2: There is so much smoke here. It's like a forest

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Speaker 2: fire and the FBI is playing games. And this is

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Speaker 2: this brings me to Ted Cruz. Yesterday in the Senate

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Speaker 2: he had the one of the senior FBI uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: exchange goes here play Ted Cruz trying to get some

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Speaker 2: answers about this Biden bribery stuff.

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Speaker 5: The FBI is stonewalling, would.

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Speaker 6: You, Senator No, one's stonewalling. The ten twenty three just

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Speaker 6: said you refused to add response to his subpoena answer question.

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Speaker 6: The pertinent information is there, and I reject your assertion

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Speaker 6: that the answer my question. I just answer your question.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So, yes, you have a ten twenty three. Do

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Speaker 5: you have the seventeen recordings?

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Speaker 1: Yes or no.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to get further into this.

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Speaker 3: So you're stonewalling.

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Speaker 5: You can't say I'm not refusing to answer your question,

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Speaker 5: but I won't answer your question.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to answer within the parameters that we operate in.

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Speaker 5: That's the problem the FBI has right now and unlimited

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Speaker 5: hubris that you believe you are unaccountable. You don't believe

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Speaker 5: you're accountable to the United States Congress and you don't

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Speaker 5: believe you're accountable to the American people.

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Speaker 2: So that's Deputy FBI director a body and Clay A

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Speaker 2: few things. One thing for a moment, dude, this informant

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Speaker 2: had been good for a long time before. If there

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Speaker 2: them at some point, and this was never followed up

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Speaker 2: on the FBI has and we're talking about tear it

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Speaker 2: down to the studs. You know, the whole place is

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Speaker 2: is going to have to get a really serious redo.

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Speaker 2: And I think so that's one part of it. But

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Speaker 2: then also just the we talk about the double standard

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Speaker 2: in prosecution, right, that's what we talked about the first

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Speaker 2: hour of the show. There's double standard Hillary versus Trump.

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Speaker 2: But what we also see here is a double standard

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Speaker 2: in just even investigation by federal resources.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: George Papadopoulos sits down in London, you know, says I

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Speaker 2: heard a thing about a guy on the internet or something.

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Speaker 2: FBI goes to the mat all In, sets up you know,

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Speaker 2: full field investigation on him, then gets Faiza on Carter page.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they go crazy with it.

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Speaker 2: The sitting vice president is being accused of being on

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Speaker 2: tape effectively figuring out a bribe. This should be the

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Speaker 2: kind of thing this makes FBI careers. Man, this should

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Speaker 2: be the absolute top priority. If we found out they

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Speaker 2: sat on it, meaning it doesn't even mean it has

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Speaker 2: to be totally true, but they didn't do anything shows

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Speaker 1: And also they didn't leak it. That's where I come back, Buck.

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Speaker 1: All of these people who are supposedly so upset about

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Speaker 1: the documents that Trump has in the media, They've made

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Speaker 1: a living off of illegally leaked documents classified in nature

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Speaker 1: that they typically don't get the opportunity to see. They've

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Speaker 1: won Pulletzer prizes based on reporting, certainly, even if it's

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Speaker 1: based on lies like we saw with Russia collusion, and

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Speaker 1: that is also indicative, Buck, of a corrupt system, because

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Speaker 1: how is it that we don't find out, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a big deal. If there are fifteen recorded

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Speaker 1: phone calls between Hunter Biden and a Beisma executive, two

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Speaker 1: of which involved Joe Biden when he claimed that he

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Speaker 1: had no relationship whatsoever with his son's business dealings, which

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Speaker 1: we know are a lie, and the FBI has potentially

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Speaker 1: had access to them or known of the potential existence

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Speaker 1: of these seventeen recordings for years. To me, Buck, it

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Speaker 1: ties in in a big way with the way that

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Speaker 1: the FBI responded to the laptop, because remember, they knew

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Speaker 1: the laptop was real, they had had it since December

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Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen. And what did they do when you

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Speaker 1: look at the Twitter files they held Aspen institutes where

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Speaker 1: they actually preceded the idea that this was Russian disinformation

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Speaker 1: and that there might be a release of a alleged

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Speaker 1: Hunter Biden laptop as part of the prelude to the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty election, which they knew about because they had

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Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani under surveillance. And I'm saying all this, Buck,

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Speaker 1: and I feel, you know, the meme of the guy

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Speaker 1: standing in front of the wall with like all the

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Speaker 1: different you know, connections that he's drawing. There's so much

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Speaker 1: here that when you say it out loud, it makes

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Speaker 1: you sound like a crazy person. You sound like a

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Speaker 1: wild conspiracy theorist. But it's impossible to draw any other

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Speaker 1: conclusion other than the FBI covered up and continues to

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Speaker 1: cover up the Biden crime family. So it makes me wonder, wow, like,

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Speaker 1: what is the impetus under which this would occur? You

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Speaker 1: were in you were encounter intel. Doesn't this all strike

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Speaker 1: you as incredibly strange that the FBI, Like it almost

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Speaker 1: feels like somebody's got something on the FBI right.

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Speaker 2: That the Democrat Party is the party of the state,

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Speaker 2: the big s state, and the fourth branch of government,

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Speaker 2: the unelected bureaucracy is just look at the donations to

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton. I can't think of I don't know offhand

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Speaker 1: in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I was just telling

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Speaker 1: any given day. Go back study history, Buck, One hundred

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Speaker 1: Not saying I believe every alien encounter story, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: Do you think Newt Gingrich believes in UFOs? He's a

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Speaker 2: Slay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of Truth.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Clay and Buck. We have former Speaker

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Speaker 4: That the whole thing is a rig deal, that it

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Speaker 4: be clear. This is not Joe Biden innocently presiding over

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Speaker 4: some nasty people. This is President Biden himself, who I

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Speaker 4: think has a lot to answer for in terms of

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Speaker 4: the corruption and his relationship with his son and his brother,

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Speaker 4: and the money they've gotten from foreign governments. And I

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Speaker 4: the most scandal ridden administration in American history. And I

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Speaker 4: think that's saying a lot. In addition, you know, you

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Speaker 4: look at this stuff. If you were to take the

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Speaker 4: deliberately one sided partisan things they've been doing, they're clearly

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Speaker 4: dividing the country. Now what's weird about it is the

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Speaker 4: side they're gambling on is about twenty or twenty five

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Speaker 4: percent of the country. And I think that in the

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Speaker 4: long run they're going to lose, and lose decisively. But

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Speaker 4: they have the power of the government, the power of

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Speaker 4: the FBI. The amount of weight they're bringing to bear

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Speaker 4: is pretty scary, frankly. And you know, if you have

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Speaker 4: the government on your side and you're willing to use it,

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Speaker 4: you can really drive people out of office. You can

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Speaker 4: put people in jail. I've had Republican lawyers tell me

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Speaker 4: that they're frankly afraid to admit that they're Republican because

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Speaker 4: they think that there's going to be a real effort

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Speaker 4: to drive them out of business. This is the most

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Speaker 4: aggressively hostile effort to reshape America that we've seen, certainly

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Speaker 4: in my lifetime, and I think it's a grave danger

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Speaker 2: Speaking to a former Speaker of the House, new Gangrich,

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Speaker 2: He's got a book march to the majority. Speaker. I

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Speaker 2: know it's very difficult to mister speaker. I know it's

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Speaker 2: very difficult to predict the future. No one can predict

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Speaker 2: the future. Where do you see this going though? I mean,

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Speaker 2: how do you see this play out? You understand the

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Speaker 2: ins and outs of American politics as well as anybody.

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Speaker 2: I know, this is uncharted territory. What do you see happening?

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Speaker 4: I suspect that despite every effort to cheat by the left,

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Speaker 4: the Trump will win re election by a huge margin,

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Speaker 4: that he will carry in a majority in the Senate,

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Speaker 4: and they will increase the majority in the House. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that you can lie to the American

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Speaker 4: people fail to deliver, and they fail deliver in every front.

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Speaker 4: The inflation rate is terrible. They have weakened the country.

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Speaker 4: I think they're the Chinese communists favorite president. And I

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Speaker 4: think it's amazing the number of things that Biden has

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Speaker 4: done that strengthen and weak in America. And so I

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Speaker 4: think this is going to be a period of you know,

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Speaker 4: I think of retribution, if you will, from the American people.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think they're going to sit by passively.

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Speaker 4: And I think as more people learn about how clearly

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Speaker 4: the Bidens were involved in corruption and corruption involving foreign

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Speaker 4: governments and foreign dictatorships. I think that the Democratic Party

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Speaker 4: is going to face a genuine crisis, and it's not

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Speaker 4: just at at Biden's level. You look at what the

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Speaker 4: governor of Michigan has been doing with the Chinese Communists

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Speaker 4: to get them to come and build a huge battery

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Speaker 4: facility in China in Michigan. I mean this kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: I think, basically offering the Chinese Communists every opportunity to

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Speaker 1: If you live in Southwest Florida, you'd like to see

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Speaker 1: Speaker new Gingrich alive and in person. He's hosting a

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Speaker 1: book signing tonight Seed to Table in Naples from four

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Speaker 1: to six. The book is March to the Majority. All right,

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Speaker 1: I said, I was gonna ask you this before we finished.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard Buck and Eye debating. You're a

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Speaker 1: former Speaker of the House. You've been part of many

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Speaker 1: of the major levers of government for a long time.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe former Speaker new Gingrich that UFOs exist.

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Speaker 4: I think it's possible. I mean, I certainly don't believe

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Speaker 4: that it's impossible.

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Speaker 1: So you're on team Clay here. We appreciate Buck and Eye.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it as a win.

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Speaker 2: That's nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it as a win. I said he

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Speaker 1: was in astute, smart, historical genius, and he's on my side.

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Speaker 4: Buck.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think you just have to take this

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Speaker 1: as a loss.

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Speaker 2: You and I will litigate that.

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Speaker 4: Without offending Buck, I hope. Let me just say, I

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Speaker 4: don't see how you can automatically say they don't exist.

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Speaker 2: My position, mister speaker, is just that there is no

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Speaker 2: proof yet that they do. I'm not saying that there

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Speaker 2: can't be. I'm saying Clay is sitting here, he's playing

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Speaker 2: double games. He's like all the little green men in

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Speaker 2: the I.

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Speaker 1: Just think they exist, and I think we've had UFOs

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Speaker 1: that I visited the world.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't think they're probably there, we go.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't cannother confirm, can neither confirm nor deny.

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Speaker 2: Check out, mister speaker. Tonight, if you're in the Naples

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Speaker 2: area and a lot of you and Naples listen, see

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Speaker 2: And the book is marched to the majority.

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Speaker 1: But speaker. Appreciate you, sir, come back soon.

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Speaker 4: To be with you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks so much. Look, a lot of Americans

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Speaker 1: Learn, laugh, and join us on the weekend on our

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Speaker 1: Sunday Hay with Clay and Fuck podcast. Fight it on

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Speaker 1: the iHeart Apple or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Thanks to new

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Speaker 1: Gingrich is glad to hear he's on the side of truth,

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Speaker 1: justice and UFOs and and on my side there we

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Speaker 1: will buy the Walkers by the way Buck for yesterday's listeners.

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Speaker 1: The walkers on the treadmill have just inundated me. So

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Speaker 1: so I'm some people don't believe.

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Speaker 2: In the science, Clay. The science of walking on treadmills

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Speaker 2: is very clear. I'm not going to apologize at all.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna build in my new studio in the

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Speaker 1: new house, I'm just gonna have a walking treadmill and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like one hundred and thirty five pounds

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Speaker 1: because I walk eight miles every day. During the show,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to play We're gonna talk with Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: here in a moment. I wanted to play a montage

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Speaker 1: of everybody reacting in the media to our interview Yes

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Speaker 1: with Nikki Haley. I believe this is cut one.

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Speaker 5: Nicki Haley said she'd be inclined to pardon the former

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Speaker 5: president if he's convicted.

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley now says she probably pardoned Trump if she's

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Speaker 2: elected president.

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley pressed today about a possible pardon if he

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Speaker 1: was convicted.

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Speaker 5: Nikki Haley was on the radio yesterday and she said,

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Speaker 5: you know, when you think about it, I'm kind of

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Speaker 5: inclined to pardon as well.

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Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, she said she would pardon him.

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Speaker 3: She'd also consider a pardon.

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Speaker 4: She may pardon him.

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Speaker 3: Nicki Haley and to Ktay, I think I'm going to pardon.

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Speaker 4: Nikki Haley also saying today that she would pardon Trump.

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Speaker 3: Nikki Haley said today she would be inclined to pardon Trump.

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Speaker 1: Even Nikki Haley also said even if he's convicted, that

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Speaker 1: she would pardon him.

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Speaker 2: Nicki Haley also she's going straight to the pardon, right,

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Speaker 2: She's racing all the way ahead.

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Speaker 1: To the pardon. First of all, that's everywhere that was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: For you guys listening, we'll ask Mike Pens the same

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Speaker 1: question because I think it's probably the single most important

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Speaker 1: question that a Republican running for president, given the circumstances

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Speaker 1: right now, should answer. But it goes to the heart

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Speaker 1: of this question, I think, which is out there. Let

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Speaker 1: me hold on, let me play this for you too. Buck,

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Speaker 1: did you hear our good friend Joe Scarborough? Because I

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Speaker 1: think we need to fire back at Joe Scarborough in

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Speaker 1: the argument here he's making. He says, oh, nobody's saying

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Speaker 1: Trump is innocent before we even play this audio. I

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Speaker 1: think this is really important. I don't even think, and

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Speaker 1: I think you would agree with me, Buck, that we

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Speaker 1: need to although as a lawyer I will make an

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Speaker 1: you guys. But I don't even think we need to

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Speaker 1: go to the innocence question because to me, by far,

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Speaker 1: the bigger question is is this a significant enough crime

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Speaker 1: to need to upset two hundred and forty years of

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Speaker 1: American jurisprudence in order to bring And the answer.

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Speaker 2: To that to me is easy, and it's no the

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Speaker 2: power to prosecute is the power to destroy. And the

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Speaker 2: single most important decision that a prosecutor makes is whether

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Speaker 2: or not to bring the charge in the first place,

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Speaker 2: because the indictment alone comes with massive cost to the accused, financial, reputational,

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Speaker 2: psychological like this, When the federal government has you in

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Speaker 2: And that's what we've been arguing this whole time, is

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Speaker 2: that the stuff that they're talking about, under the circumstances

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Speaker 2: of it's worth it to go for it on this,

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Speaker 2: even though it's going to throw the political system into disarray.

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Speaker 2: And you know you brought They keep saying, oh, they're

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Speaker 2: going jumping right ahead of the part in Well, of course,

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Speaker 2: remember we had the Nixon which they always made a

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Speaker 2: bigger deal out of what Nixon did than they should have.

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Speaker 2: But put that aside. You know, Nixon got pardoned by Ford.

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Speaker 2: You're sitting here like, yeah, of course, because the country

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Speaker 2: needed to heal and move forward. That was the whole idea.

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Speaker 2: And I know that people are like, well, Trump's gonna

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Speaker 2: So why the Libs so freaked out about it? Well,

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Speaker 2: because they're worry Trump might win and this may not

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Speaker 2: be an issue. Well, and I think again, if Trump wins,

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Speaker 2: he'll certainly pardon himself. But again, we're in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the primary season right now and people are running

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Speaker 2: to try to beat Trump, and so I think this

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Speaker 2: is a big part of the discussion. I know this

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Speaker 2: is a serious issue, but just for a second, wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Trump winning the election and pardoning himself be the most

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Speaker 2: trumpy move in the history of all things Trump?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that would be the Trumpiest thing ever if

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Speaker 2: he won the election, which he very well might, pardons himself.

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Speaker 2: And the question I didn't get to ask a Newt

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Speaker 2: Gingrich and you know, I think it's one we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to ponder. Is it's early, I understand, But is

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Speaker 2: the answer to this that there needs to be a

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Speaker 2: special counsel appointed by Donald Trump to look into Hunter

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Speaker 2: Biden and Biden family. I don't see how, given that

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Speaker 2: the rubicon has been crossed, if you can't get to

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Speaker 2: a mutually assured political destruction on this issue, I don't

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Speaker 2: know how we get back to any sense of normal.

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Speaker 2: There have to be consequences for the other side.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. Well we play Scarborough here, just so sorry

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Speaker 1: I teased it here he is cut nine.

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Speaker 3: You will notice of all of the noise out there,

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Speaker 3: of all the ground noise, nobody is saying he is innocent.

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Speaker 3: Nobody is saying he.

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Speaker 2: Did not commit the crimes that will put him in

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Speaker 2: jail for over one hundred years if it's convicted and healthy.

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Speaker 1: Because Joe, bigger question is not these process related crimes

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Speaker 1: with no actual victim. The question is how are we

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Speaker 1: doing something for the first time in two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty years, and is that decision justified. That's what real

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Speaker 1: intelligent conversations should consist of, and that's what we'll discuss

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Speaker 1: with Mike Penn's coming up.

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Speaker 2: Buck when my vice President Pence, you gonna be with

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Speaker 2: us here, team, you're gonna want to hear it. Stick

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Speaker 2: around