1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. Welcome back in our number two Clay 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Travis buck Sexton Show. Rolling into the Monday edition of 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: the program. Maybe a lot of your kids back in 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: school finally after the Christmas break. I know all of 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: my kids are finally back in school. So maybe you're 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: starting back to your regular, normal work week. And if 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: you are, it's a good time to go ahead and 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: subscribe to The Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Podcast. Continue 10 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: to download. You guys do tens of millions of versions 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: of the show every month, which is pretty incredible, and 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: we certainly thank all of you for doing that. They're 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: going to be more and more in twenty twenty three 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: podcast exclusives. So you can search out my name Clay Travis, 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: you can search out buck Sexton Boom, go subscribe and 16 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: you'll be well on your way to never missing a 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: moment of the program. So good news. As we roll 18 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: into this second hour, Tamar Hamlin is it appears going 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: to make a full recovery. He was the Buffalo Bill's 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: safety who collapsed one week ago, in fact, a full 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: one week ago on Monday Night football while playing in 22 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: a game against Cincinnati Bengals, and almost immediately there was 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: a discussion about what might have caused his collapse. And 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: this is important, Buck, I didn't really get involved in 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: what might have caused the collapse. We didn't talk about 26 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: it a great deal on this show because I wanted 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: to make sure that, first and foremost he was going 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: to be okay. That's the number one story coming out 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: of any injury, is the person going to be okay. 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Now that we know he's going to be okay, what 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: caused his collapse becomes a very important story. And I'll 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: give you an example of an aspect of this. Back 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety, Buck, a man named Hank Gathers, basketball 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: player for Loyola Marimount, collapse during a game. He was 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: going to be a lottery pick and he died on 36 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the court. Basically, Boyola Merrimount went on to the NCAA tournament. 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Bou Kimball, some of you will remember, memorably shot his 38 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: free throw left handed in honor of Hank Gathers, even 39 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: though bou Kimball was right handed. It's an iconic story 40 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: from the nc double A tournament that many of you 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: are familiar with well, they looked into why Hank Gathers collapsed, 42 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: and as a result, all over the country in a 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: high level college and certainly professional sports, it became commonplace 44 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: to examine as best you could the heart health of 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: your players to try to ensure that there was no 46 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: other Hank Gathers. And there are countless individuals probably who 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: have continued to survive because of what the fallout of 48 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: his collapse. Hank Gathers did have a congenital heart issue, right, 49 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: that was what they found was there, but identified condition 50 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: that unfortunately led to the tragedy. That's right, and so 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: it was important and now basically every major college athlete 52 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: and every pro athlete for sure goes through a heart 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: screening to ensure that their heart does not have a 54 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: condition that could lead to their collapse and untimely death 55 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: in moments of athletic endeavor when you are using that heart. 56 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: So it's utmost, it's important, and it's been very impactful. 57 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: Same thing needs to happen with DeMar Hamlin. And almost 58 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: immediately in addition to people who started to ask questions 59 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: about why DeMar Hamlin might have collapsed, you notice something chilling, 60 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: a huge argument that you weren't allowed in any way 61 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: to ask if this might be connected to COVID shots 62 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: because we are seeing a lot of heart related issues 63 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: in young, healthy people. And there was a conversation over 64 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: the weekend between doctor Fauci and this guy from CBS Sports, 65 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: and he said he asked doctor Fauci directly about the 66 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: impact of the COVID shot on hearts. Here is what 67 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci said, play cut twenty four. Yet again, another 68 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, complete nonsense, is going to have some people 69 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: make a decision for themselves and their family not to 70 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: get vaccinated, which may cost them their lives. So that's 71 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: the thing that's so horrible about it. And if you 72 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: want to go out spouting nonsense, conspiracy theories and spreading 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: it all around, fine, except if it results in a 74 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: person suffering and perhaps dying. Okay, Buck Faucci knows nothing 75 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: about Hamlin's overall health prognosis. He's not his doctor, he 76 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: doesn't know anything about him. Yet he feels comfortable saying 77 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: you can't even suggest that something that has never occurred 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: in the modern era in football, that is, a player 79 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: collapse and nearly die on the field of a heart 80 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: related issue could not be connected to the COVID shot. 81 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: My question for you is, first of all, Buck, this 82 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: is anti science, right, because you should consider the possibility 83 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: of everything to try to ensure that, like the Hank 84 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: Gathered situation, we never have another incident like this. But 85 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway from all of this is when people 86 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: say you can't bring this subject up, when people say 87 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: you can't ask this question, those are the times when 88 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: you most need to have the discussion and most need 89 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: to ask the questions. And furthermore, this is just further 90 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: anti science behavior from Fauci. If their position was strong 91 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: and they actually knew one hundred percent what the case 92 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: was here, what had happened, wouldn't they want to take 93 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: this as an opportunity to lay out why, you know, 94 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: if asking the question is wrong because they already know 95 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: the answer, which is the implication, then the asking of 96 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: the question should be something they welcome because it gives 97 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: an opportunity to lay out their case for why it 98 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: is not the thing that is raised by the question 99 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: in this case in any way related to the COVID vaccines. Right, 100 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: But they actually won't allow the discussion, They won't allow 101 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: the conversation to happen at all, because their point is 102 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: shakier than they want to admit. I'm not saying one 103 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: way or the other. I don't know. I'm obviously not 104 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: able to I'm not a doctor not able to bring 105 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: any specific knowledge of this case to the conversation. But 106 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: then again, neither of the people saying you're not allowed 107 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: to think about this out loud. And when you have 108 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: a sports figure who has such a I mean, this 109 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: was obviously very traumatic for him, for Tomorrow Hamlin, but 110 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: there was a public trauma here too. I Mean, athletes 111 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: are you know, first and foremost there they're you know, 112 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: father's sons, brothers, you know, teammates, but they're also heroes 113 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: to millions and millions of Americans, and for one to 114 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: have something like this happened, I mean, the audience was 115 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: very people watching this all across the country very affected 116 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: by it. And so there is a public interest in 117 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: what caused this, because if it is a safety issue, 118 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: if there's nothing that needs to be changed from a 119 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: football perspective, which I don't think that's going to happen, 120 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: but that's certainly a point of discussion debate that could 121 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: be had. But if there if this is a high 122 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: profile case. I mean you'll notice there they get very 123 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: angry when anyone points out any time that one of 124 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 1: these incidents happened that it could be related to COVID. Meanwhile, Clay, 125 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: they used to say, don't even talk about myocarditis when 126 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: it comes to these shots. It's reckless. There's no evidence 127 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: from myocarditis coming from the back. That was a lie. 128 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: There is evidence and people do get myocarditis from the 129 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: COVID vaccines. So that's all. We've already seen that transition happen. Yes, 130 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: and I think we've got to cut about that where 131 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 1: Fauci acknowledges it. But notice what they're doing now. They're 132 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: trying to say, oh, well, the myocarditis might be caused 133 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: by COVID, not the COVID shot. That's the pivot that 134 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to make. Now listen to that. Some of 135 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: the mr ANDA vaccines can cause as self limiting, almost 136 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: invariable bubnign inflammatory response in the heart, which generally resolves 137 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: in a very short period of time. It is very 138 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: very rare when you compare that with the negative effects 139 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: on the heart by myocarditis or pericardius. Overwhelmingly COVID itself 140 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: causes that in a dramatically higher rate than the relatively 141 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: benign mild myocarditis that you might have with a vaccine, 142 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: which is very very rare. Where where's the sow now? 143 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 1: COVID trauma and everybody, I want to see this. First 144 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: of all, as we know COVID is dangerous. We've known 145 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: this from the beginning. To the elderly and the sezerely 146 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: immuno compromised, and that is it for everybody else. It's 147 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: a cult. Okay, they could you know, we weren't allowed 148 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: to say that. Oh no you can't, Claire. You've had 149 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: it twice twice at least probably had it three times 150 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: at this point. I mean the fact that we're even 151 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: still having to have this conversation, but we have to 152 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: because they won't admit what is true, and they're still 153 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: continuing on with a lot of this stuff, and the 154 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: fact that they have to admit that there is Milecardias cards. 155 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: By the by the way, I have had doctors tell 156 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: me that I've spoken to about this because I was 157 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: very curious Mile kardiitis. When he says it resolves if 158 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: any of course, the press or who is he sitting 159 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: with there don't even knows on some major mate. Yeah, 160 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: it's it's the reason why that. Yeah, the major Garrett 161 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: I think is the guy's name Len. Correspondent with CBS journalists. Unfortunately, 162 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: they are overwhelming me, much more concerned with their hairspray 163 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: and their makeup situation than general knowledge. You know, they're 164 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: just how does my voice sound? How does my hair look? 165 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: So they don't know squat. But as a general rule, 166 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: just always remember that most journalists are like not you know, 167 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: they're be minus students from second tier liberal arts colleges. 168 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm just going to say it. And the reality of 169 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: mile kardias, according to some doctors that I spoke to, 170 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: is that you can't really know what because there can 171 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: be some scarring that comes from the inflammation in that 172 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: heart tissue, it can take a while to know what 173 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: the actual long term effect is. And so if a 174 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: sixteen year old all of a sudden has some mile 175 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: Chardidis inflammation of the heart, all right, maybe they'll be okay, 176 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: it'll go away, Okay, fine, But do they have scarring 177 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: that might affect them and make them more likely to 178 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: get a heart attack in thirty years? Yeah, these are 179 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: these I mean, I would want answers to these questions, 180 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: but oh, you're not going to get that. No, And 181 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: I think that's what's so important here, Buck even doctor 182 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: Fauci acknowledges. And the difference obviously is people don't choose 183 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: to get COVID. So if you get COVID and you 184 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: have a negative health impact, that stinks, but you're not 185 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: voluntarily choosing to do it. If you are young and healthy, 186 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: there is no reason why you should have ever gotten 187 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: a COVID shot. Just there isn't And NFL players felt overwhelmingly, 188 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: as did many pro athletes and college athletes, that they 189 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: were being bullied into putting something in their body that 190 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: they didn't need to keep them healthy. And so, in 191 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: the wake of this, to mar hamblin case, is it 192 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: possible It's just a question that I'm asking that I 193 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: think is the essence of science. Is it possible that 194 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: this COVID shot, in the event that he got it, 195 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: could have created a situation where he was more susceptible 196 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: to a heart attack from things that happened on the 197 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: field than he would have been otherwise. That's the essence 198 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: of science, right, shouldn't we want to know that right. 199 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, so what you're saying is, and again this 200 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: is asking a question or posing a thesis, not saying, 201 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: not claiming that this happened. But is it possible that 202 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: you couldn't yet some degree? Maybe maybe even mild milcardidis 203 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: because they're mild cases. But there's also what I said, 204 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: which is sometimes they're scarring of the heart tissue that 205 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: can occur depends on how it goes. If it was 206 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: a mild case, though even that level of inflammation, would 207 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: it make it more likely that you'd be susceptible to 208 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: the very rare commotio cortis I believe right, that's what 209 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: they call it, commocio cortis event where your heart is 210 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: effectively hit at the exact millisecond that it calls it stop. 211 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, but the public has a right to 212 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: ask these questions and to be told these things, especially 213 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: given the medical establishment acting like morons for over two years. 214 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: Sig mats protectives. We know, masks work, No they don't. 215 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: Isn't this the very essence of science to try to 216 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: determine if there might be a causation involved here? We 217 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: have never seen this happen on a football field before, 218 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hits have taken 219 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: place on a football field without a nearly dying on 220 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: the football field. Now, if that is the case, it's 221 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: not crazy to say, well, what has changed that we 222 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: have required virtually every football player to do in the 223 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: past year or so. We've required them to get the 224 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: COVID shot and then get a booster, something that even 225 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci acknowledges can create inflammation of the heart. It 226 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: doesn't seem crazy to me to say, could this have 227 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: made him more susceptible to this incident occurring? And if so, 228 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: how do we prevent this from happening to another player 229 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: high school level, college level, pro level, and or is 230 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: there a significant threat that did not exist before COVID 231 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: to younger athletes? Because I'm telling you this, Buck, I'm 232 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of stories about people dying of heart 233 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: related issues that are in their twenties, that are in 234 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: their thirties. That doesn't seem to add up. And what 235 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: I would like to see, and this is something for 236 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: a lot of you out there, it's the biggest radio 237 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: show in the country. I would love to see a 238 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: detailed study on mortality rates for heart related condition of 239 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: people under the age of forty in the last year 240 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: or so compared to the historical record. Is this just 241 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: an anecdotal thing, buck, where we see these stories and 242 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: they don't add up. Or is there something going on 243 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: here that people don't want to acknowledge as it pertains 244 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: to mortality rates from heart related conditions for people in 245 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: their twenties and thirties, that's data that's very important. I 246 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: think it's there's still debate, you know, with so many 247 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: great quotes. One of the frustrations about quotes is that 248 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: you learn to love a quote and then it turns 249 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: out it's maybe he'd never really say right, or it 250 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: comes from some guy named Bob who lives in his parents' 251 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: basement and see old and you're like, wait, what happened here? 252 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: But there is that quote about Einstein with a hundred 253 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: authors that came out against him with the theory of 254 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: relativity and paraphrasing. But Einstein's response this was was allegedly, 255 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: why one hundred it would only take one to prove 256 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: me wrong, and their variations on this as well. No 257 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: amount of experimentation can ever prove me right, but one 258 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: experiment can prove me wrong. This is kind of the 259 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: heart of scientific method. Whether these quotes are somewhat mangled 260 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: or apocryphal or not is irrelevant to the point that 261 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: we're making here, which is that they lied to you, 262 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: and they keep lying to you, and they're not going 263 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: to stop. 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No risk, high reward. 324 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: Get Refunds dot Com. Slee, Travis and buck Sexton on 325 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: the frontline. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 326 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: We are continuing to roll through. Damar Hamlin's gonna be okay, 327 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: what the fallout of exactly what happened to him? You're 328 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: not allowed to discuss, according to doctor Fauci. Well, we've 329 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: got a couple of doctors nurses rolling in who want 330 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: to share their opinions with you. Let's go first to 331 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: doctor Frank down in Lubbock, Texas. What is your background, doctor, 332 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: and what did you think based on what you have 333 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: seen of the Damar Hamlin incident. Yeah, I'm a retired 334 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: neuro Sergack, I'm not a cardiologist, but I had that 335 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: game on and I saw it. The thing that bothers 336 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: me about commotio cardia recordis diagnosis is I don't believe 337 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: he would have enough cardiac output to stand up for 338 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: oh a couple of seconds and then fall again if 339 00:19:55,480 --> 00:20:01,400 Speaker 1: he truly went into a dys rhythmia, you know, upon contact. 340 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he would have been able to get 341 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: off the ground initially. Okay, that's an interesting point. You're 342 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: a former neurosurgeon, retired neurosurgeon. What do you think about 343 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci saying you aren't allowed to even mention the 344 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: COVID shot or a potential impact on this incident in 345 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: any way? How does that strike you as a doctor. Well, 346 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me. And unfortunately the medical field has 347 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: fallen in lyne behind him and basically throwing out all 348 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: the tenets of science that we've all learned over the 349 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: years on how to approach something. You don't jump at 350 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: a diagnosis, especially and again I don't have the information 351 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: on mister Hamlin, but you don't jump on something, you 352 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: cast le bron Nett, keep your mind open, consider all 353 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: the possibilities. It's called a differential diagnosis, and you go 354 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: from there. And so blocking things out for in this 355 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: case political reason or otherwise is just bad medicine. Um. 356 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody would want a physician like him, um, 357 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,719 Speaker 1: the way he's handled things. UM. Hey, hey, doc, as 358 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:14,399 Speaker 1: a neurosurgeon, are you troubled by the prospect based on 359 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: the numbers that were that we have seen that the 360 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: vaccines may have had more side certainly more side effects 361 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: than we were initially led to believe or even really 362 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: allowed to believe. I think it's very concerning. But what 363 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: concerns me even more is the medical profession um turning 364 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: into a bunch of sheep. Yeah. I think that's dangerous. 365 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: I think getting to the bottom of it, you know, 366 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: instead of spending millions of dollars on investigating long COVID, 367 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: which you know probably needs some investigation. UM. I'm worried 368 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: that the profession is not going to pursue this like 369 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: they should. And that's that's what frightens me the most, 370 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: because this is frightening. This many young cardiac events um 371 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: being under reported, but they are being reported by conservative media. 372 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: But I'm worried about the scientific community, the medical community, 373 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: not for sure. And do you do the doctors that 374 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just curious do they really think at 375 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: this point still that a cloth mask on a patient, 376 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: for example, in the waiting room is helping to reduce COVID. No, no, 377 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: anyone who does it is because of an institutional rule. 378 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: All the hospitals and make people in the hospitals are 379 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: basically owned and run by the government and the regulators. 380 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: So yeah, or nowadays you have you have a lot 381 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: of employee physicians, you know, they're part of their their hospital. 382 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: Employees are a employee of a large medical group, and 383 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: that's what dictates those kinds of things. Thank you for 384 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: that calling in. Yeah, another doctor may have a different opinion, 385 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: which as doctors often do. Whatever this happens. By the way, Clay, 386 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna be like, Okay, so my shoulder hurts 387 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: a little bit, doc, you know, start getting some free 388 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: But it's funny you mentioned that buck. Like, I was 389 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: talking to my father in law. We were out skiing 390 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: and he's got a he's seventy eight, great skier, still 391 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,959 Speaker 1: all over the slopes, fantastic, And he said he had 392 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: a knee issue. And he went to a bunch of 393 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: different doctors and they were like, some said it was 394 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: a hip, some said it was a back, some said 395 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: it was a knee. My point on this is, if 396 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: you have an issue in your own life, how often 397 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: have you gone to a doctor and gotten conflicting and 398 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: contradictory opinions about what might be causing it? Because science 399 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: is inexact and we oftentimes have to examine it to 400 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: come to truth. That's what the scientific method it is. 401 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: I'm just waiting for Fouci to come out and say, 402 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: you know what they really call a second opinion doubt 403 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: of science. I will say this, you were talking about 404 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: quotes earlier. Buck, That's really a great line. One of 405 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: my buddies used to say, you never get a second 406 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: opinion from a good result. Right if you go into 407 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: docks like you're gonna be fine, you got no issues 408 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: at all. This certainly happens in the world of sports 409 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: all the time. When guys get injured. You never go 410 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: get a second opinion when the doc says you're going 411 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: to be perfectly fine and you don't need surgery. Generally speaking, 412 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: you don't. Doctor Dennis in Annapolis, Maryland, e R Physician, 413 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: what do you think about what Doctor Frank just said? 414 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Dennis, I disagree in that you did cover commodio cortis, 415 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: which is good and you know that's an extremely rare event. 416 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: But I feel that the commodial cortis the way you 417 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: explained it is roughly corrected. It causes a regular heart 418 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: rhythm ords rhythmia at the moment of the impact at 419 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: the right time in the cardiac electrical cycle, but you 420 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: get one of three abnormal rhythms from the impact. From that, 421 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: you get what we call ventricular techo cardia with a pulse, 422 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: ventricular cardia without a pulse, or ventricular for relation. So 423 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: I suspect that he had the ventricular techacardi a moment 424 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: very quickly with a pulse, had it abled him to 425 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: stand up briefly, and that he his rhythm deteriorated to 426 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: the either the ventricular technocardi without a pulse, or ventriculfibrillation, 427 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: at which time the external the automatic external defibrillator was 428 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: applied and shocked him out of his abnormal So you 429 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: you do not believe that the COVID shot could in 430 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: any way have impacted Damar Hamlin's incident. No, no, listen, 431 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm not. I am not definitely not a fan of 432 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: the COVID vaccines. In fact, I characterize him as as 433 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: vaccine light. So I am definitely. I think they were 434 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: marginally effective at best. Yeah, it sounds like they're almost 435 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: like a tamiflu or something like a therapeutic, like maybe 436 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: kind of help, but we don't really know and we'll see. Yeah, Yeah, 437 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: they just not effective like the like the vaccines we 438 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: got when you know, when you're chilled, when you were Yeah, 439 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: as we've said on this show for a while, doctor, 440 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: if you got like six measles shots and you still 441 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: got the measles, you'd be like, this doesn't feel like 442 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: a very good beasles vaccine, best measles vaccine I've ever seen. Yeah, Doc, 443 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: thanks for calling in appreciate the other other point of 444 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: view on that one. Yeah, to be clear, neither you 445 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: nor I pretend to know what happened. We're just asking 446 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: the here's what we know about. We just opened it 447 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: up right there, Buck. Those are two very reason guys 448 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: neurosurgeon er, physician with differing opinions on what might go 449 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: and what might have been the cause there And and 450 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: my point on this, and I think it's significant is 451 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: Faucci has such little moral authority based on getting everything 452 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: wrong that when he says to me, you can't talk 453 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: about this I immediately think, Oh, they're going to talk 454 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 1: about this. We've got to talk about this. Yeah. Anytime 455 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: Faucci wants to shut something down, you got to open 456 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: it up as wide as he can. 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Welcome back to Clay and Buck, and you 484 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: know Clay. We have a Speaker of the House, yes, 485 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: which was a thing that we knew was gonna happen. 486 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: Many of you, I'm sure saw on Friday over the 487 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: weekend that Kevin McCarthy is the Speaker of the House. 488 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: I think we can get into some of the details 489 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: about this what the It happened exactly as you and 490 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: I discussed, which was that there were concessions made and 491 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: so it looks like a w a win for many 492 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: of these rebels. I think they liked the term rebels, 493 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: so we can use that one. Some of the rebels 494 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: against the status quo on this one McCarthy gets his 495 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: speaker's gavel. But there are some there are some things, 496 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: there are some strings attached to it that would be 497 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: of benefit too well, hopefully to the country. So we 498 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: can get into that. But did you see uh, you know, 499 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: I did break up? How in other deliberative bodies. I 500 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: don't know what the legislature is called in Taiwan. I 501 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: even looked it up and I've forgotten it now again. 502 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: But it's not you know, it's not like the Taiwanese Senate. 503 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: There's some of their name for it. But there are 504 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: other times when you've seen people, you know, they've got 505 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: a little little uh rough with each other, with each 506 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: other on the floor. Yep, you know there's that. I 507 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: don't know if it is apocryphal or not, a word 508 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: I've used twice today, sorry, meaning it could be fake. 509 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: It's a story that people say a lot of really 510 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: cool stories are apocryphal, which is a shame, right, I mean, 511 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: you know you hear these things like, oh, I wish 512 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: that was true. The thing about the two sword lengths 513 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: in Parliament. I've seen people arguing historically whether that's really 514 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: the case that it's was supposed to be too because 515 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 1: as some have pointed out, swords were different lengths. So 516 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: and that's a whole other conversation. But well, we know 517 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: what happened history. I used to give tours in the 518 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: United States Capital. If I said this on the show before, 519 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: when I was in college, I would walk people around. 520 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: You know, he just slips it right on. This was 521 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: pre nine eleven, so you could actually walk people out 522 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: onto the Senate floor. You could walk them out onto 523 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: the House floor. There may even be somebody out there 524 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: listening who I took on a tour, because I bet 525 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: I had a hundred. I bet I took hundreds of 526 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: people on tours of the United States Capital back in 527 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: the day. So if you were from the Nashville area 528 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: and you got a tour in two thousand or two 529 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: thousand and one, might well have been me. But you 530 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: used to be to take people on the old Senate 531 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: floor and the old House chamber two buck. And if 532 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: you remember Preston Brooks, and this is off the top 533 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: of my head from twenty plus years ago when I 534 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: would give tours, was in the house for from South Carolina, 535 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: and he beat Charles Sumner in like eighteen fifty six. 536 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: I think it was in a debate over slavery on 537 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: the floor, almost killed him, beat him with the cane, 538 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: almost beat him to death with a cane. And when 539 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: he went back to South Carolina, his constituents gave him 540 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: a brand new cane because his cane broke in the beating, 541 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: and on the cane was the message hit him again. So, 542 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: if you think we're dealing with violent raon now, back 543 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: then Preston Brooks not only nearly killed a man on 544 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: the Senate floor. When he went back home, they rewarded 545 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: him and gave him a new cane. Well, it's like 546 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: what I mentioned a few weeks ago on the show 547 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: that James Monroe was about to have a duel with 548 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: Alexander Hamilton, and Aaron Burr was like, no, no, no, 549 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: let's pump down, buddy, let's let's chill out here. We 550 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: don't And then seven years later Burke killed Hamilton in 551 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: a duel. So, you know, things used to get things 552 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: used to get rough and tumble. I just were making 553 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: these historical comparisons because I had brought up that, you know, 554 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: even the tensions on the floor of the United States Congress, 555 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, things could get a little a little frisky 556 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: and sure enough, Mike Rogers not a guy I really 557 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: thought much about, thought much about before this as and 558 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was really um got a 559 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: little he had to get held dout. You saw you 560 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: saw the video of this. He went got really upset 561 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: with Matt Gates. We haven't seen anything like that the 562 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: floor of Congress in a while. It's kind of funny 563 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: because a lot of you know what the response was 564 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: us off a lot of people good, get a little 565 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: fired up, have a little passion out there. I mean, 566 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: no one actually engaged in violence, but you know, he 567 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: got a little fired up. I was a coach. You've 568 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: been a coach. Sometimes you're a coach. The assistant coach 569 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: got to hold you back a little bit because the 570 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: ref blows the call. Also, I would say Matt Gates 571 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: is a big dude and also relatively young. I don't 572 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: like very many people in the United States Congress. His 573 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: odds against play. But you're you're discounting old man strength, 574 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: which you know, come out of nowhere. I don't know 575 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: what it is you've you've experienced. I'm sure like you know, 576 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: if you ever had like your grandpa grab you when 577 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: you're younger, you're like, damn, Grandpa's got a vice like grip. 578 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: That's what I learned. I learned the word lamb base 579 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: too for my grandfather. So I will say old man strength. 580 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: I've thought about this quite a bit because one it's like, 581 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, the way that some people used to get 582 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: strong was by actually doing physical manual labor. You know, 583 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: so country strong. You've probably heard that phrase before where 584 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: you're just like you're out on a farm and you 585 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: just carry stuff around all the time. My grandpa was 586 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: country strong, like wasn't in a gym, like you know, 587 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: doing curls and you know, like all these different strong exercises. 588 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: But I will say, if you've ever tried to walk 589 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: around with multiple kids that you are carrying, you get 590 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: a mom's the same way you get to the you know, 591 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: you just shrug somebody who weighs thirty or forty pounds 592 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: from one hip to the other. Sometimes you're carrying a 593 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: couple of them. You watch dads try to get to 594 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: the beach in the summer. I mean it is like 595 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: its own competition. You got the your dragon, like eight 596 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: different tents and chairs and everything else, and a cooler, 597 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: and you got a couple of kids on your shoulder, 598 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: and you got a wife who's probably walking along because 599 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: you forgot the sunscreen, and like you're dealing with all that. 600 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: That is old man's strength. Grip strength is a very 601 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: is a very good indicator of actually long not only 602 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: strength obviously, but long term health and vitality among among men. 603 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: And I've known, I've been around because of my time 604 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: in the CIA, a fair number of operators, warfighters, badasses, etc. 605 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: And one thing I picked up from more than one 606 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: of them, but one of them in particularly, told me 607 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: once he said, if you see guy's forearms, that tells 608 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: you whether you want to fight him or not. I 609 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: always thought that was so interesting. He's like, he's like, 610 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: because a lot of people that got you know, they 611 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: got beer muscles. You know, I don't really know what's 612 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: going on, but he says, if somebody, you know, if 613 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: they look like they were a state champion wrestler, when 614 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: you see their forearms, don't fight that guy. Yeah, it's 615 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: bad idea. I remember my wife said back in the day, 616 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: another good advice for don't fight guys. She said, when 617 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: she was out in the bar in Michigan, sometimes guys 618 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: would take mouthguards with them to the bar in case 619 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: they got in the fight. Oh, if you see somebody 620 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: with cauliflower ear, settle it in court. You don't want 621 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: to fight that person. If somebody calmly says, do you 622 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: want to take this outside, don't go outside with them, 623 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: they'll kill you like that. That's somebody who's been in 624 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: a lot of fights over the years. And if you're 625 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: if you like square up on someone and they put 626 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: a mouthguard in you, just apologize. So just apologize right 627 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: there there. They've been in a lot of fights. I 628 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: saw something. I mean, we have such a we got 629 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: a whole Texas family to listen to this right a 630 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: state of Texas. We got so many great people listen 631 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: to the show every day. I saw something on social 632 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: media and I want to check this out that it is. 633 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: You know, this is one of these videos it goes 634 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: viral that you were allowed to if you say I 635 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: want to take this outside, and you step out there, 636 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: and if there's a cop standing there, if it is 637 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: fisticuffs and there's no no one brings a weapon to 638 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: the fight, no one uses a weapon in the fight, 639 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: and they stop when the person is on the ground, 640 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: that it's not actually an assault. I don't know if 641 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: that's true or not. It strikes me that that's basically 642 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: the rules for hockey fighting. It's kind of the rules 643 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: for hockey fighting got under Texas state law. I find 644 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: that hard to believe. I just want to say, but 645 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: it is making the rounds on social media, and like, 646 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: if a state is gonna have that, it would be Texas. 647 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. I find it hard to believe that 648 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: that's the case. But again, if somebody calmly ask you 649 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: if you want to take this outside, you should not 650 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,959 Speaker 1: go outside. If they put a mouthguard in, you should 651 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: definitely apologize. Yeah, you shouldn't be throwing a punch. Mutual combat. 652 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: This is apparently a thing consent to mutual combat in Texas. 653 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: It's not crazy. Wow. I mean that's basically a duel, 654 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: except without the guns. Yep. Final hour. Next