Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. It's our one. On
Speaker 1: this Thursday, Dan and The Dana stan Patrick Show. Saw
Speaker 1: an interview with Drew Brees yesterday that was floating around
Speaker 1: and I didn't know was from yesterday because the comments
Speaker 1: had to do with kneeling, had to do with the flag,
Speaker 1: had to do with Colin Kaepernick directly indirectly, and I
Speaker 1: thought maybe this was from a few years back, and
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure why it was trending, and then I
Speaker 1: realized this was Drew Brees from an interview yesterday on Yahoo.
Speaker 1: Yahoo Finance interviewed him and Drew talked about hatriotism, standing
Speaker 1: for the flag, and I'll play the full context of
Speaker 1: the question and the answer there and then because I
Speaker 1: want to give both sides to this. He has since
Speaker 1: come out with an apology that I just got about
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. I'll read that for you. We'll talk
Speaker 1: to we'll hear from Malcolm Jenkins, a teammate of Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: is in what he had to say yesterday, the timing
Speaker 1: of this, the insensitivity of the timing of this with
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, because I can let Drew Brees have his opinion.
Speaker 1: I may not agree with his opinion, but it's his opinion,
Speaker 1: and that's the beauty of what we have here in
Speaker 1: the United States. You can have an opinion. He may
Speaker 1: not agree with Colin Kaepernick's opinion, or Malcolm Jenkins' opinion,
Speaker 1: or Michael Thomas's opinion, but you at least have to
Speaker 1: have an understanding of why they feel the way they do.
Speaker 1: And I would say the same to Michael Thomas and
Speaker 1: Malcolm Jenkins. They have to understand why Drew feels the
Speaker 1: way he does. But this is a time of less
Speaker 1: talk and more listening, and I think Drew understands that now.
Speaker 1: You know, if this is three weeks ago and we're
Speaker 1: talking about this, maybe it's different, maybe it's received differently.
Speaker 1: But this has been Drew Brees' stance on the anthem,
Speaker 1: and he's said this down through the years in previous
Speaker 1: interviews that we've had. I may not agree, and I
Speaker 1: have said I didn't think what Colin Kaepernick was doing
Speaker 1: was it was not the flag that he was disrespecting.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is I go
Speaker 1: back to what a former Green Beret, Nate Boyer played
Speaker 1: with the Seahawks. He said to Colin Kaepernick, remember when
Speaker 1: he sat. He was sitting and no one noticed. There
Speaker 1: was a reporter who eventually saw that Colin Kaepernick was
Speaker 1: sitting during the anthem, and Nate Boyer, green Beret, says
Speaker 1: to Colin Kaepernick, it would be more respectful to the
Speaker 1: nation's military if he would kneel. This is a Green
Speaker 1: Beret saying this. I never thought it was about the
Speaker 1: flag as much as it was at this moment. I
Speaker 1: can have eyes on me and I want to let
Speaker 1: people know about social injustice. And he went about it quietly.
Speaker 1: He didn't even tell his teammates he was going to
Speaker 1: do it. I thought we had moved on from it.
Speaker 1: We can agree to disagree about Colin Kaepernick. Look, we
Speaker 1: all wrap ourselves, you know, in the cloak of patriotism.
Speaker 1: We want to respect the flag, but you have to
Speaker 1: understand their segments. There are people, there are groups, there
Speaker 1: are races that look at it differently than we do.
Speaker 1: I have a military background with my father in the Marines,
Speaker 1: and my uncles won in the Army and one in
Speaker 1: the Navy. We all have that. But when people when
Speaker 1: these when the military came home not everybody was treated
Speaker 1: the same. Let's put it that way. You know, the
Speaker 1: GI Bill didn't apply to everybody. African Americans didn't get
Speaker 1: those same benefits the GI Bill. They thought that for
Speaker 1: their country, they didn't get the same benefits. And I
Speaker 1: understand that. And as much as I understand the military
Speaker 1: and the sacrifices, I didn't know that African Americans were
Speaker 1: treated differently when they came back. And that's what we
Speaker 1: have to understand. All it is is, let me just
Speaker 1: listen to why you feel this way, why it is
Speaker 1: so painful, why somebody gave up their NFL career. Colin
Speaker 1: Kaepernick gave up his career, was willing to give up
Speaker 1: his career. I have to be respectful to that opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't like that he did it. I understand that
Speaker 1: he did it because I knew once he did it
Speaker 1: what it was going to mean, and maybe I was
Speaker 1: nervous about how uncomfortable it was going to make America,
Speaker 1: not just football world America, and we saw what happened.
Speaker 1: I think it was misinterpreted, totally misread People grabbed it
Speaker 1: and used it for their own social causes. Kaepernick, I
Speaker 1: do think with what he was saying or not saying,
Speaker 1: and what he was doing was to open our eyes
Speaker 1: with what we just saw in Minneapolis. I truly believe that,
Speaker 1: truly and my heart believe that we all want to
Speaker 1: respect the flag, we all want to respect the anthem,
Speaker 1: but we're not all treated the same under that flag,
Speaker 1: under that anthem. And that's why we are where we
Speaker 1: are right now. And Drew Brees, who has been a
Speaker 1: pillar of integrity for the city of New Orleans, for
Speaker 1: the state of Louisiana sportsman in the year back in
Speaker 1: twenty ten, what he was saying is the same answer
Speaker 1: that he had given to me a couple of years
Speaker 1: prior and a couple of years prior to that. But
Speaker 1: I think understanding your teammates when you are a leader
Speaker 1: is listening to them. You may not agree, but you listen.
Speaker 1: And it felt like Drew Brees was not listening to
Speaker 1: his teammates and understanding why they're so hurt, why they
Speaker 1: were so angry at him. Michael Thomas, his starwide receiver,
Speaker 1: angry at Drew Brees, Malcolm Jenkins angry at him, and
Speaker 1: Drew Brees now I think understands, which why did it
Speaker 1: take this long to understand why your teammates would be hurt,
Speaker 1: but I want to play this in context. This is
Speaker 1: the question that's asked and the full answer with Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: and then I will read you his apology. This is
Speaker 1: from Yahoo Finance yesterday. Everyone is looking back now at
Speaker 1: Kaepernick's protests for a few years ago, and obviously they
Speaker 1: were always about police brutality, and now it's coming back
Speaker 1: to the full and a lot of people expect that
Speaker 1: we will see players kneeling again even when the NFL
Speaker 1: season starts. I'm curious how you think the NFL will
Speaker 1: and should respond to that. And of course you're such
Speaker 1: a leader in the league. What is your responsibility as
Speaker 1: a leader in times like this for the rest of
Speaker 1: your teammates and players in the league. Well, I will
Speaker 1: never agree with anybody disrespecting the flag of the United
Speaker 1: States of America or our country. Let me just tell
Speaker 1: you what I see or what I feel when the
Speaker 1: national anthem is played, and when I look at the
Speaker 1: flag of the United States, I envision my two grandfathers
Speaker 1: who fought for this country during World War Two, one
Speaker 1: in the Army and one in the Marine Corps, both
Speaker 1: risking their lives to protect our country and to try
Speaker 1: to make our country and this world a better place.
Speaker 1: So every time I stand with my hand over my
Speaker 1: heart looking at that flag and singing the national anthem,
Speaker 1: that's what I think about. And in many cases, it
Speaker 1: brings me to tears thinking about all that has been sacrificed,
Speaker 1: not just those in the military, but for that matter,
Speaker 1: those throughout the civil rights movements of the sixties and
Speaker 1: everyone and all that has been endured by so many
Speaker 1: people up until this point. And is everything right with
Speaker 1: our country right now? No, it's not. We still have
Speaker 1: a long way to go. But I think what you
Speaker 1: do by standing there and showing respect to the flag
Speaker 1: with your hand over your heart, is it shows unity.
Speaker 1: It shows that we are all in this together, we
Speaker 1: can all do better, and that we are all part
Speaker 1: of the solution. Okay, I understand all of those things
Speaker 1: he's saying, and I can understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 1: But in today's world, as volatile as it is, you
Speaker 1: have to understand what is going on and what is
Speaker 1: being said, and what is being demonstrated and protested. And
Speaker 1: that's where drew his tone deaf. You know, if you
Speaker 1: frame it in a way and say, what happened in
Speaker 1: Minneapolis can't happen again. And I understand the pain and
Speaker 1: the anger, or at least I'm trying to understand the
Speaker 1: pain and the anger. You have to at least put
Speaker 1: it in perspective of today. Yes, your great grandfather's mind
Speaker 1: fought too. I want to respect the flag. I want
Speaker 1: to respect those who respect the flag. But I'll go
Speaker 1: to my grave in saying Colin Kaepernick was just trying
Speaker 1: to get eyes on this issue systemic racism. That's what
Speaker 1: he wanted. He wanted dialogue. He did it peacefully, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't good enough. He was shunned. And now we
Speaker 1: have the hypocrisy to say, as a former, you know,
Speaker 1: employee of the NFL, hey, why don't we give him
Speaker 1: a job with the vikings. It's just hypocritical. He just
Speaker 1: asked to have you listen, let's make change. He sacrificed
Speaker 1: his career. And remember at the time, all those reasons
Speaker 1: why nobody wanted to sign Colin kaepernin memory. People came
Speaker 1: up with all these excuses and none of those were true.
Speaker 1: They actually they actually had somebody say his diet, Oh
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's on a new diet. Can he
Speaker 1: withstand you know, the rigors of play in the NFL
Speaker 1: and going on his diet. Oh, his mechanics are Wait,
Speaker 1: this is the same guy that towards the packers and
Speaker 1: you're gonna tell me this. But we kept making excuses,
Speaker 1: and that's the problem. We've continued to make excuses, and
Speaker 1: that's why this is where we are right now. We
Speaker 1: make excuses, we look the other way. Here's Malcolm Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Saints defensive back, talking about Drew Brees. Our communities are
Speaker 1: under siege and we need help. And what you're telling
Speaker 1: us is don't ask for help that way, ask for
Speaker 1: a different way. I can't listen to it. When you
Speaker 1: ask that way. We're done asking, Drew, and people who
Speaker 1: share your sentiments, who express those and push them throughout
Speaker 1: the world. The airways are the problem. And it's unfortunate
Speaker 1: because I considered you a friend. I looked up to you.
Speaker 1: Here's somebody who I had a great deal of respect for.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you should shut the up. That's Malcolm Jenkins.
Speaker 1: Drew Brees was on the show May of twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: and he talked about stands on the national anthem. You
Speaker 1: know I've I've I think I've made myself very clear
Speaker 1: in where I stand in all of this. I think
Speaker 1: that the national anthem to way to unify everyone. I
Speaker 1: think by some people kneeling and some people standing and
Speaker 1: all that, I think that that's very divisive for our country.
Speaker 1: And I think that the flag and the national anthem
Speaker 1: deserves our respect for all those who have come before us,
Speaker 1: who have fought so hard, who have died and sacrificed
Speaker 1: in order for us to have the freedoms that we
Speaker 1: have in this country. So I believe that no matter
Speaker 1: what you're protesting, because there's plenty of things about this
Speaker 1: country that I think we would all like to see improvements.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that the national during the national
Speaker 1: anthem is a time to voice those opinions. I think
Speaker 1: that it deserves our full respect by standing at attention,
Speaker 1: looking at the flag, hand up over your hard, singing
Speaker 1: the national anthem, and paying that respect. That's Drew Brees
Speaker 1: May of twenty eighteen. That's his opinion. I respect your opinion.
Speaker 1: I may differ from it, and in this case I do.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that, but you can have your opinion.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean I hate Drew Brees don't respect Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: I just see it differently than Drew Brees does. That's
Speaker 1: the luxuries that were afforded here in the United States.
Speaker 1: But you just have to listen to why other people
Speaker 1: would be so passionate about it. And that's what I
Speaker 1: didn't understand when Drew. If you understand what Kaepernick is risking,
Speaker 1: and you start with his life because there were death
Speaker 1: threats with Colin Kaepernick, let alone, he killed his career,
Speaker 1: I have to understand why that mean so much to you.
Speaker 1: And it's easy to go, hey, he's anti American, he's
Speaker 1: anti flag. He's not. He wants to be pro American.
Speaker 1: He wants to be pro flag. He wants that flag
Speaker 1: to mean the same to him as it does to
Speaker 1: Drew Brees. Drew Brees issued an apology this morning. I
Speaker 1: got it about twenty five minutes ago. I would like
Speaker 1: to apologize to my friends, teammates, the city of New Orleans,
Speaker 1: the black community, NFL community, and anyone I hurt with
Speaker 1: my comments yesterday. In speaking with some of you, it
Speaker 1: breaks my heart to know the pain I have caused
Speaker 1: in an attempt to talk about respect, unity and solidarity
Speaker 1: centered around the American flag in the national anthem. I
Speaker 1: made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark
Speaker 1: on the issues we are facing right now as a country.
Speaker 1: They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead,
Speaker 1: those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled
Speaker 1: people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This
Speaker 1: could not be further from the truth. It is not
Speaker 1: an accurate reflection of my heart or my character. This
Speaker 1: is where I stand. Drew Brees goes on to say,
Speaker 1: I stand with the black community in the fight against
Speaker 1: systemic racial injustice and police brutality, and support the creation
Speaker 1: of real policy change that will make a difference. I
Speaker 1: condemn the years of oppression that have taken place throughout
Speaker 1: our black communities and still exist today. I acknowledge that
Speaker 1: we as Americans, including myself, have not done enough to
Speaker 1: fight for that equality or to truly understand the struggles
Speaker 1: and plight of the black community. I recognize that I
Speaker 1: am part of the solution and can be a leader
Speaker 1: for the Black community in this movement. I will never
Speaker 1: know what it's like to be a black man or
Speaker 1: raise black children in America, but I will work every
Speaker 1: day to put myself in those shoes and fight for
Speaker 1: what is right. I have always, in capital letters, been
Speaker 1: an ally, never an enemy. I am sick about the
Speaker 1: way my comments were perceived yesterday, but I take full
Speaker 1: responsibility and accountability. I recognize that I should do less
Speaker 1: talking and more listening, and when the black community is
Speaker 1: talking about their pain, we all need to listen. For that.
Speaker 1: I am very sorry and I ask your forgiveness. So
Speaker 1: that's Drew Brees and his apology, the question and his
Speaker 1: full answer yesterday that led to this. We'll have a
Speaker 1: little bit more on this, but I wanted to give
Speaker 1: you both sides of this. My opinion has always been
Speaker 1: out there. My opinion hasn't changed. I probably have a
Speaker 1: deeper understanding as we move along away from Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: but it's there. Colin Kaepernick is. He's back in mainstream America,
Speaker 1: and I hope it's a good thing because I hope
Speaker 1: it brings change. We don't like to be uncomfortable, but
Speaker 1: we're uncomfortable now and I think that's a good thing.
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Speaker 1: your engine. We'll talk to Tim Legler from ESPN. He'll
Speaker 1: join us coming up here. I want to talk to
Speaker 1: him about bringing the NBA back and why it is
Speaker 1: going to take two months to do so. Todd and
Speaker 1: Wisconsin joins us. Hi, Todd, what do you have for
Speaker 1: me today? Six one two twenty Yes, I just basically
Speaker 1: I think Breeze, you know, is he was baited with
Speaker 1: the question. I understand his points, but really what needs
Speaker 1: to happen, you know, really the last four years, where
Speaker 1: has the NFL and its players been unified in this
Speaker 1: where someone's either locking arms kneeling. So my my thing
Speaker 1: that they maybe should do is not on the national anthem,
Speaker 1: but like on the sideline, raise your hand. All the
Speaker 1: players on the sideline that wants to do it, raise
Speaker 1: their hand for the whole game, and that's going to
Speaker 1: be more dramatic in one little anthem, and then you
Speaker 1: move on to the game. Well, you're seeing players demonstrating
Speaker 1: the whole game and doing it in a year after
Speaker 1: year after year. That will bring the point across. I know, Todd,
Speaker 1: I don't want to make light of this, but holding
Speaker 1: my hands in the air for an entire game on
Speaker 1: the sidelines does not make this more dramatic. Seems unreasonable, physically,
Speaker 1: seems problematic. There it accomplished what I think Colin Kaepernick
Speaker 1: wanted it to accomplish, and that was there was discussion,
Speaker 1: There were eyes on this. Then there was the question
Speaker 1: of will other teams do this? Do you lock arms,
Speaker 1: do you take a knee? But the fact that a
Speaker 1: former Green Beret is the one who said to Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: don't sit on the bench, then you'll show disrespect to
Speaker 1: the flag if you kneel, you will not That's from
Speaker 1: a Green Beret. Now, everybody has their opinion on it.
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to change their opinion. You can hate Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: you can think he's an American. That is your opinion.
Speaker 1: We will agree to disagree, and I think that's where
Speaker 1: we are. Colin Kaepernick, to me, what he said is
Speaker 1: now playing out right in front of us, and you
Speaker 1: see the outrage and the anger. That's what he was
Speaker 1: asking you. Let's try to avoid this because this is
Speaker 1: the reason why he came forward is there was a
Speaker 1: twenty six year old African American who was shot over
Speaker 1: twenty times by police, and he decided that he wanted
Speaker 1: he had to do something about this, and he came forward.
Speaker 1: He sat, nobody noticed except for one reporter, and then
Speaker 1: he decided that he was going to take a knee,
Speaker 1: and he lost his job. And you can't bring him
Speaker 1: back now. Although somebody suggested that, hey, bringing back to Minnesota,
Speaker 1: that'll fix everything, it won't. I remember mak Mood Abdul
Speaker 1: rah Wulf did not stand for the anthem and the fallout.
Speaker 1: I think he I think he was told to go
Speaker 1: back into the locker room. I think somebody there was arson.
Speaker 1: I think somebody burnt down his home in Colorado. He
Speaker 1: paid a price for that. He just didn't believe in
Speaker 1: the anthem and what it stood for. It's bringing Tim
Speaker 1: Legler covers the NBA for the Mothership. Not an easy
Speaker 1: segue here, legs, But I do appreciate you. Were you
Speaker 1: in the NBA when mak mood was doing his silent
Speaker 1: protest when he was actually still Chris Jackson in Denver
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie, and then I remember that
Speaker 1: playing out. I believe I still was in the league,
Speaker 1: and I think some of the context around that was
Speaker 1: like the Gulf War, and it took on a different
Speaker 1: meaning in a context that was Americans at war with
Speaker 1: a foreign country. And I think that's why what he did,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, got even more severe backlash at
Speaker 1: that time, but it's no doubt that it definitely costs him.
Speaker 1: But when you take a stance like that that meaningful
Speaker 1: to you, when it involves anything to do with the
Speaker 1: country and a national viewpoint, you run the risk of you,
Speaker 1: how are people going to interpret this? And I think
Speaker 1: that's what this Colin Kaepernick situation has been from the beginning.
Speaker 1: It's different people's interpretation of what that means. What was
Speaker 1: your reaction to Drew Brees and then the fallout? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I think as far as Drew Pies is concerned, I
Speaker 1: think he was expressing his own point of view. But
Speaker 1: I think what we have learned over time, all of
Speaker 1: us have learned is the way that you may interpret
Speaker 1: it a particular act might not be what the original
Speaker 1: intent was, and there are times you have to listen
Speaker 1: to the other side on what the intent of that
Speaker 1: act it is and really take that to heart and
Speaker 1: make that meaningful. Now, you might still disagree with it,
Speaker 1: but when you come out and make a public statement
Speaker 1: in any way, that's a negative reflection of it, and
Speaker 1: basically in doing so, you are saying I really don't
Speaker 1: understand the interpretation that you've given me on what that means,
Speaker 1: You're going to get a significant reaction, and that's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened in the case of Drew Brees. Do I
Speaker 1: think he needs to be taken to the point where
Speaker 1: you're now called Drew Brees or racist or things like that.
Speaker 1: I think that just takes it too far when you
Speaker 1: look at the way he's lived his life into what
Speaker 1: all by all accounts, the things he's done in that community,
Speaker 1: and just the kind of person that he generally is
Speaker 1: regarded as. I don't know that we need to make
Speaker 1: that leap, but I do think you need to understand
Speaker 1: there are going to be repercussions if you are going
Speaker 1: to voice an opinion that differs from what the attent
Speaker 1: of a particular action is. Yeah, I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: we it's either black and white from the standpoint of
Speaker 1: your answers. I either agree with you or I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm either happy for what you said or I'm angry
Speaker 1: at what you said. I think Drew Brees is a
Speaker 1: wonderful person by all accounts, what he's done after Katrina,
Speaker 1: the money that he donates, the importance of his presence
Speaker 1: in that city. I just don't agree with his stance
Speaker 1: on the anthem. That's it. If he was on the show,
Speaker 1: I'd still embrace him for who he is and what
Speaker 1: he is, but we would disagree, agree to disagree, and
Speaker 1: I mean that's the beauty. We have that luxury here
Speaker 1: agreeing to disagree. I just don't believe that somebody is
Speaker 1: the best person in the world or the worst person
Speaker 1: in the world by what they say, what their opinion is.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a complex issue there, and it
Speaker 1: certainly is with Drew Brees. I did want to talk
Speaker 1: some basketball with you, and the reason why we were
Speaker 1: going to have you on is we thought this was
Speaker 1: just going to be a normal Thursday where we're talking
Speaker 1: about twenty two teams coming back into Orlando. Here, I'm
Speaker 1: confused about the format here, legs, Why does it have
Speaker 1: to be so complicated? Well, I think when you first
Speaker 1: get it and you start to read it, even for
Speaker 1: a guy like myself and I'm waiting to see what
Speaker 1: the fourmat's going to be, they seem to finally come
Speaker 1: to a consensus, and when you first look at it,
Speaker 1: I agree. I had to read it several times to
Speaker 1: make sure I understood what was happening. But I think
Speaker 1: it's less complicated than maybe most people think it is.
Speaker 1: What it comes down to is this. They made a
Speaker 1: determination the first of all, they didn't want all thirty
Speaker 1: teams down there. I think it's a great decision. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to see teams down they're playing meaningful five
Speaker 1: to eight games, whatever the number is going to be,
Speaker 1: and it's shutting it down again for several months. I
Speaker 1: didn't think that made any sense whatsoever. I personally preferred
Speaker 1: just the sixteen teams that were already in. There was
Speaker 1: enough of a gap between eight and nine in my
Speaker 1: mind that there was separation there. Let's just go and
Speaker 1: get this thing started and try to get it ended
Speaker 1: in a timely manner. What they came up with. I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty good compromise. You keep more teams interested.
Speaker 1: There's six additional teams now that have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: close the gap on the eight seed. And if you
Speaker 1: can get it within four games, and you're in that
Speaker 1: position to be nine, you now have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: determine your fate and play the eighth seed, and they
Speaker 1: have an advantage, and that the eight only has to
Speaker 1: beat you once. You've got to beat them twice. But
Speaker 1: at least you can control your own destiny. So I
Speaker 1: think it keeps more teams interested, more players involved, and
Speaker 1: more fans are going to be interested at a time
Speaker 1: when we desperately need interest in live sports. We're talking
Speaker 1: to Tim Legler, ESPN NBA analyst. By the way, Legs
Speaker 1: played his first NBA seas in nineteen eighty nine ninety
Speaker 1: You played in three hundred and ten career NBA games,
Speaker 1: making just four starts. Is that right? Probably? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's you know, you get into that mode
Speaker 1: where you're you find a particular role. So there were
Speaker 1: times when clearly there were times I was playing on
Speaker 1: teams I was even playing maybe more significant minutes or
Speaker 1: more important minutes than the starter was, and then he
Speaker 1: would get hurt. But coaches would come to me and say, listen,
Speaker 1: we love what you're bringing off the bench in your
Speaker 1: particular role. We don't want to mess with that. So
Speaker 1: they would maybe even bring a guy that wasn't even
Speaker 1: playing in the rotation and then making the start. I
Speaker 1: ran to that a couple of times, so it was
Speaker 1: the only time in my life I wasn't able to start,
Speaker 1: but I was perfectly comfortable with it. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw CBS Sports came out with their top
Speaker 1: fifteen shooters of all times? Did you see Okay? Now,
Speaker 1: I thought there was a recency bias there, but I'm
Speaker 1: okay with it, Like I'm not going to have my
Speaker 1: head explode like I did when ESPN said Michael Jordan's
Speaker 1: the greatest college player of all time. Right, okay, okay. Now,
Speaker 1: when it comes to shooting, Kyle Korver's in there, Steve
Speaker 1: Kerr are in there. This was my philosophy. I just thought,
Speaker 1: to be a great shooter, you have to be able
Speaker 1: to create your shot to shoot, because if you can't
Speaker 1: get your shot off, I don't care how good a
Speaker 1: shooter you are. Am I incorrect in my approach to
Speaker 1: the greatest shooters of all time? No, I think that
Speaker 1: that's a component in it. But I don't think you
Speaker 1: can just discount the guys that primarily were spot up
Speaker 1: three point shooters, because to do that at the level
Speaker 1: that the guys on that list do and the percentages
Speaker 1: they shoot, how good you have to be at that,
Speaker 1: how difficult it is to get to that level, And
Speaker 1: I think those guys have to be included as well.
Speaker 1: I mean for me, but I think, tell me a
Speaker 1: great shooter. I don't just necessarily think about the guys
Speaker 1: that can go get their own offense. I think about
Speaker 1: those guys that when it comes off their fingertip and
Speaker 1: they've got any sort of space, you've got a really
Speaker 1: high percentage of likelihood that ball is going to end
Speaker 1: up in the bottom of the net. And I have
Speaker 1: a lot of regard for those guys. I was one
Speaker 1: of those guys, So I don't think you could just
Speaker 1: discount them. I agree with you, though in terms of
Speaker 1: the list, I was scratching my head at how low
Speaker 1: they had. Chris Mulling that didn't make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense to me. You got Mulling in there at fourteenth.
Speaker 1: I've played with that guy in Gold and Stay. I
Speaker 1: know firsthand he's certainly better than the fourteenth best shooter
Speaker 1: that's ever lived, and he was a guy that could
Speaker 1: get his own shot as well. By the way, well,
Speaker 1: who would you put there, who's your top five? Well,
Speaker 1: I think you'd go you'd probably go Steph play right
Speaker 1: there at the top. I think Larry Bird's got to
Speaker 1: be in the top five, which he was. I don't
Speaker 1: remember where exactly they had him in the list, but
Speaker 1: I think he was in the top five. I think
Speaker 1: that's absolutely justified. I think Kevin Durant is a guy
Speaker 1: that you probably would have to consider because again it's
Speaker 1: the catch and shoot, but it's also his ability to
Speaker 1: shoot those kind of percentages from all over the floor,
Speaker 1: in his ability to get to any area of the
Speaker 1: floor with a perfect shooting stroke. I don't have a
Speaker 1: problem with including Kevin Durant, and then I would look
Speaker 1: at a guy like Steve Nash. Yep, I think Steve
Speaker 1: Nash has to be up there, because you're talking again
Speaker 1: about a guy that shoots every year practically fifty from
Speaker 1: the field. Forty to fifty from the three ninety plus
Speaker 1: from the line, and his finishing ability, Like that's one
Speaker 1: thing that gets discounted sometimes, and that's why Curry for me,
Speaker 1: no question number one, because in addition to his long
Speaker 1: range stuff, his ability to finish with floaters and runners
Speaker 1: and an array of shots with either hand. That's got
Speaker 1: to also add heavily into this. And Steve Nash was
Speaker 1: also in that category. Yeah, I put him in there.
Speaker 1: I think in my top three because of what you said.
Speaker 1: I can shoot deep, i can have a mid range jumper,
Speaker 1: I'm great from the line, and I can finish at
Speaker 1: the hoop. And there are very few guys in NBA
Speaker 1: history who can do all of those and shoot at
Speaker 1: a high percentage. I did want to ask you about
Speaker 1: the Zion factor with the playoffs. If you had cut
Speaker 1: and dried eight and eight, let's say New Orleans was
Speaker 1: the eight seed in the West legs, would we be
Speaker 1: having twenty two teams in Orlando. That's a great question.
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of speculations. I'll just give
Speaker 1: my opinion. I'd say probably not. I think that plays
Speaker 1: heavily into it. And look, if you're the league, you
Speaker 1: can't blame them. I mean, this has been this has
Speaker 1: been devastating financially for the league, what they've gone through.
Speaker 1: So certainly when you have a guy like that that
Speaker 1: was that entertaining, and I think at the time this
Speaker 1: thing shut down, he was as close to must see
Speaker 1: TV as anybody in the league. So to include him
Speaker 1: for a minimum of eight games and potentially more than that,
Speaker 1: I think smart business decision for the league. Unfortunately for them,
Speaker 1: the Pelicans were within striking distance that you make a
Speaker 1: really solid argument that they should be included in this.
Speaker 1: And also when you look at strength of schedule the
Speaker 1: rest of the year with Memphis in New Orleans, I
Speaker 1: think Memphis was going to have a really difficult time
Speaker 1: with their schedule to hold these teams off and hold
Speaker 1: onto that last spot. By the way, Legs once challenged
Speaker 1: me to a three point shooting contest and he was
Speaker 1: going to shoot left handed. Do you remember when I
Speaker 1: absolutely do yeah, and that offer still stands. Man. I
Speaker 1: was so mad at you. I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: way you're going to beat me left handed from three
Speaker 1: point range. But well, listen, Dan, I'll tell you. On
Speaker 1: my fiftieth birthday, which was three years ago. All I
Speaker 1: wanted to do that day. I told my wife and
Speaker 1: my kids and both of whom play, We're going to
Speaker 1: go to the local rec center and I'm going to
Speaker 1: make fifty threes on my fiftieth birthday. Let's see how
Speaker 1: long it takes me. And what do you think I
Speaker 1: shot that day to make fifty? What do you think
Speaker 1: I got shot? Overall? I'm gonna say less than sixty.
Speaker 1: I was fifty for fifty six. Now I did I
Speaker 1: did warm up. Here's it's funny about that story. I
Speaker 1: warmed up a little bit. I did it once. I
Speaker 1: actually shot better than that forgot to record it. So
Speaker 1: now here I am pretty winded at that point, and
Speaker 1: I'm saying, oh my god, we got to do it again.
Speaker 1: And I really didn't think I would shoot that well.
Speaker 1: So I was pretty proud of myself that they were
Speaker 1: college trees. I will say that they weren't NBA threes.
Speaker 1: I don't shoot that deep anymore that often, but they
Speaker 1: were college trees. But I was still pretty proud of
Speaker 1: the accomplishment. Do you think you could actually beat me
Speaker 1: shooting left handed? Pretty certain of it? Wow, I get
Speaker 1: a nasty left like when I'm when I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking here, just shooting jumpers uncontested. Yeah, pretty good left, man,
Speaker 1: I got a pretty nasty left. I'll invite you to
Speaker 1: my dojo here in the man cave. Dog. Just shoot
Speaker 1: right handed, you shoot left hand. Get me in there,
Speaker 1: Get me in there, and I'll be I can't wait
Speaker 1: four to the challenge. Doug Gottlie never recovered from me
Speaker 1: roasting him shooting threes. The best chance you would have,
Speaker 1: I would say, get me somewhere like outdoors where there
Speaker 1: is our conditions, that fact they're in. But if you
Speaker 1: got me in a climate controlled environment, Dan, it's a problem.
Speaker 1: We also remember Greg Anthony tried to get involved in
Speaker 1: the conversation and I basically I said, Anthony, get out
Speaker 1: of here. Man, you can't shoot like I can shoot.
Speaker 1: And you even said, yeah, Greg, get out of here.
Speaker 1: We basically you shut that down pretty quickly. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can shoot fifteen footers there, Greg, but that's it. These
Speaker 1: are big boys shots like yeah, yeah. Greg's conversations were like, listen,
Speaker 1: if we're going to do the competition, we're picking people
Speaker 1: up ninety four feet eight times before half court. You
Speaker 1: got it. Mand It comes down to just shooting jumpers.
Speaker 1: Let's you know that's not that's not necessarily your wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: Oh that was great, Legs, thanks for joining us. Hope
Speaker 1: you're well and I appreciate you joining us. Great talking
Speaker 1: to you. D take care of that's Tim Legler, Legs
Speaker 1: one of the great shooters in NBA history. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna remember that line for a while. If you
Speaker 1: get me in a climate controlled environment, I'm a problem. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was so mad at him when he said that
Speaker 1: to me. We were recovering the NBA Finals, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Legs like, I said, you want to shoot,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'd beat you left handed. I was
Speaker 1: like you, and I was. Then Greg Anthony tries to
Speaker 1: get involved in the conversation. I said, get out of here, Greg,
Speaker 1: you can't shoot with us. Yeah, Paul, I know you
Speaker 1: pretty well, and I know your confidence is that you
Speaker 1: could beat him with your right hand versus his left hand.
Speaker 1: But I also think you wouldn't want to lose that
Speaker 1: matchup because then because then he would never let you forget.
Speaker 1: That would be a bet I wouldn't take because then
Speaker 1: it would be on record as he beat me left handed.
Speaker 1: I'd never recover. You know that would be tough to recover.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a break phone calls. We got
Speaker 1: a lot on the menu today. Adrian Wojnarowski from the
Speaker 1: mother Ship on what this grand plan. He was going
Speaker 1: to join us yesterday and he was ready to call,
Speaker 1: and then he called Fritzie and said, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I'm breaking a story and he had the format for
Speaker 1: you know, the NBA coming back. Dana White, UFC President
Speaker 1: will join us a little bit later on as well.
Speaker 1: Take a break. Play of the day. We'll come up
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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show. McLevin, do we have a poll question.
Speaker 1: We were debating which matchup do you want to see
Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals now that we actually have a field.
Speaker 1: Is it clearly the Lakers, Bucks or are there any
Speaker 1: other teams that you want to see sneak in here? Well,
Speaker 1: you have to factor in Lakers Clippers. By the way,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, are they going to cross conferences? What's the latest?
Speaker 1: Actually they are crossing. Yeah, it's just gonna be one
Speaker 1: through sixteen, it feels like and this will be the
Speaker 1: only time it's going to happen. But unless they embrace this,
Speaker 1: but I think it's still going to be Eastern Conference
Speaker 1: Western Conference because of travel, you got to have a
Speaker 1: balance schedule. But this will be probably the only time
Speaker 1: we ever see this where you're just seated in accordance
Speaker 1: to what your recordd is one through sixteen, not any
Speaker 1: designation because everybody is there in Orlando. If this was
Speaker 1: going to be Vegas and Orlando, then you probably would
Speaker 1: have kept this separation there. Yeah, Paul, would you guys
Speaker 1: like to see Lakers Rockets, assuming that it was possible?
Speaker 1: Sure at this stage? Would I would take Lakers Memphis
Speaker 1: right now? PAULI all right. And by the way, I
Speaker 1: know that I'm kind of made fun of the NBA
Speaker 1: and their schedule. Their format, it's a little confusing. I
Speaker 1: would rather have the NBA's confusing format than no format
Speaker 1: at all. Major League Baseball. It's not good when you
Speaker 1: have negotiations that go like this, Hey, here's our proposal.
Speaker 1: It's not even worth a counter proposal. And that's where
Speaker 1: we are with Major League Baseball. Hey, would you rather
Speaker 1: have an average dinner or no dinner at all. I'll
Speaker 1: take the average dinner. That's all I'm asking for Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball. Just give me an average dinner here. Let's
Speaker 1: just get through this. Yeah, McLevin, speaking as a Sixers fan,
Speaker 1: do you think there's any chance like the outcome of
Speaker 1: this sort of condense season will be completely wild like
Speaker 1: NCAA tournament wild where the top seeds will go down
Speaker 1: and you'll have a bunch of three four five season
Speaker 1: the finals, which is kind of unusual. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, when you hit the ground running, how long
Speaker 1: does it take to get in shape? And then you
Speaker 1: have these eight games that you're going to play? And
Speaker 1: then who are you matched against? Like, are you going
Speaker 1: to go through a really difficult matchup before you get
Speaker 1: to another difficult matchup or you get tested? Are you
Speaker 1: going to be doing seven game series here? How often
Speaker 1: are you playing? Are you going to have play two
Speaker 1: games in two days and then you're off because it
Speaker 1: used to be Hey, you play a game, another game
Speaker 1: or a day off two days off, three days off,
Speaker 1: or four days off. This is different now, and I
Speaker 1: think the conditioning of the players is going to be amplified.
Speaker 1: You're gonna it's a more condensed schedule and there's no travel,
Speaker 1: but you're going to be playing more games. I think
Speaker 1: that that would be something that will be interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: Jeff and Milwaukee joined this this morning. Hi, Jeff, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Brees and I'm not going to criticize
Speaker 1: Brees for his opinion. There's time with other areas when
Speaker 1: the anthem has been really powerful, So I'm there with
Speaker 1: him on that. But when you compare it to Rogers
Speaker 1: and what he posted yesterday, he posted a picture from
Speaker 1: a game a couple of years ago. I think it
Speaker 1: was a Thursday night game. He's locked arms with his teammates.
Speaker 1: He heard the complaints from the other side about taking
Speaker 1: a knee and said, Okay, we're not going to do that,
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna be silent either. And I think
Speaker 1: that's what we're really missing right now is just listening
Speaker 1: to the other side. He listened, and there's this picture
Speaker 1: of this guy in the stands, a Packer fan, just
Speaker 1: creaming his head off because he's mad at him for
Speaker 1: locking arms. Makes no sense, I know, and there have
Speaker 1: been powerful moments. I was there when Whitney Houston sang
Speaker 1: the anthem in Tampa, and that's one of the more
Speaker 1: remarkable performances I've ever seen. It was stirring and I
Speaker 1: had to fly over. We're all proud. We all love
Speaker 1: our country. It's just we some love it in a
Speaker 1: different way, or want to love it more but can't,
Speaker 1: or does the country really love them? I saw him
Speaker 1: where George Clooney had a tweet where he said, you know,
Speaker 1: African Americans have been through a pandemic that's lasted four
Speaker 1: hundred years. Drew Brees did issue an apology. We did
Speaker 1: reach out to Drew. We've reached out to all the
Speaker 1: principles here. I'm not sure if we'll hear from him,
Speaker 1: but if we do, we'd love to have him on.
Speaker 1: We've always loved to have him on. One Hour of
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