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Speaker 1: And the thing is is, it's like like the Lula

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Speaker 1: And he started a lot going on. He was a

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Speaker 1: this is the story of Alex Joseph. This is Ridiculous Crime,

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Speaker 1: a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons.

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Speaker 1: It's always murder free and sense ridiculous. Elizabeth, you're ready

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Speaker 1: just gets up and joins the clouds anytime he wants,

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00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: and then pops on down to his ranch, which sounds

419
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,359
Speaker 1: all enchanting, right you. You're like, wow, every time he

420
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 1: talks about flying, you're imagine yourself in the clouds. So

421
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: you agreed to go with him and visit this ranch.

422
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:47,479
Speaker 1: You're like, now while you're there, you get married. Oh,

423
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: just slipped up and fell on the marriage. So it's

424
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: a casual affair. Some would call it beautiful. No, this

425
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 1: one's outside bright spring day. No, outside of a Quickie mark.

426
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: You got slushies though, so that was good. Yeah. Now

427
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: you are the fourth misss Alex Joseph. You have joined

428
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: the Sister Wise club. How do you feel when you're

429
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 1: one big happy family. So it's nineteen seventy now, and

430
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 1: the hippie dream, by the way, is still alive and

431
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 1: will in the country, and you know, it's pretty much

432
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 1: just thought of as the sixties thing, but there's a

433
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: big carry years of the seventies. But at this point

434
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 1: a lot of people they're living on communes. People have

435
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: been fleeing into Canada trying to avoid the draft. So

436
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: you've got fugitives and commune people doing their own like, oh,

437
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find my new way of living, right something,

438
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: going off the grid exactly, completely total little spirit of independence,

439
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: going off the grid. The Mormon fundamentalists fit right into that, right.

440
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: So Alex Joseph is just out there living the dream.

441
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: You're out there with him, and you decide, you know

442
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: what this is working for me. I like this lifestyle

443
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 1: with my sister wife. So you pop back to Missoula,

444
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: you finish your last quarter of law school or sorry,

445
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 1: pre law and then you graduate, and then now your

446
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: husband has big plans for your future. Is this like

447
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,479
Speaker 1: multi level marketing for wives? And I have to go

448
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 1: get some down market? Well you got to go door

449
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: to door and find new wives. You saw Buddhica got

450
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 1: you involved. So I'm saying him lm all over it

451
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: because the bottom wife. So your husband, meanwhile, he's got

452
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 1: about twenty mouths to feed every day. So exactly, he's

453
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: got about to feed every single day. So he's needing

454
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: to make a good bit of money. So what is

455
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: he doing. He's that's the one thing. That's how he

456
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 1: gets the house queen. But for the with the bread

457
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: on the table, he's using Uh, he's pushing health food

458
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: like vitamin supplements the seventies everywhere. But that's how he's

459
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: gonna pay for you to go to the University Utaw

460
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 1: law School. Oh yeah, because I am. Because yeah, you

461
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: know he wants that law school. Sister Wife, Oh, you

462
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: had to get an in house lawyer. That's smart. I

463
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: think I saw that TV show in the nineties, Law

464
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 1: School Sister Wife. After four episodes. Here's the thing, though

465
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: it was not particularly common for women. I mean, like,

466
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of women in law school in

467
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: the late sixties or early seventies. They couldn't have a

468
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,239
Speaker 1: credit card at that time. Very true, So how are

469
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: you gonna pay for law school? Right? Wow? So that's

470
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: pretty you know, he's a little forward thinking, right yeah,

471
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: But I think as forward thinking is like if I

472
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: have basically a sister wife retainer. Yeah, I see, I

473
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: see you. So it's the early nineteen seventies, Alex Joseph

474
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: and his many wives, your sister wives, they have all

475
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: picked up in there in southern Utah, right, and you've

476
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: they've been pushed off the first plot. They have now

477
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: their second plot, which they've turned into a growing concern.

478
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: But the problem is is this is on Bureau of

479
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: Land Management's land, oh national land, I KA. The people's

480
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: wore the squatting. Yeah, but are they sovereign citizens too?

481
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 1: They're using homesteading acts. They're saying that they have the

482
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 1: right to yes, a lot of like I have an

483
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: old law that I'm fighting, boy. So this is the

484
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: start of his legal fight against the U. S. Government.

485
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: So over the course of this fight, Alex gets arrested

486
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: six times. Yeah, he's spend a time beyond bars now

487
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: because he has a polygamist which is illegal in the

488
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: United States and you can always be arrested for that.

489
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: But they're trying to get him on other things, you know,

490
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: tax evasion, weapons possession, something else. They can make an

491
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: embarrassment out of him right now. Also, remember he's been

492
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: excommunicated from his Mormon splinter church, so he's also illegal

493
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: under their law as well, so both under God and

494
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 1: under the court. And if he's been excommunicated from the

495
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: splinter church, so he's like that far removed who he

496
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: got no protection him and his sister wives. He's a nomad.

497
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: He's gone nomad nomad. He's doing it for him, not

498
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: the club. The club. So all this aside, since he's

499
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: in Utah, he's mostly safe though, because the State Attorney's

500
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: General is like, you know what, it doesn't really matter.

501
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Joseph is quote not legally married Dinny his wives they

502
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: signed contracts, so therefore technically he's not a polygamist, so

503
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: no convictions are able to really land. And so he

504
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: just keeps fighting and they just keep papering him, arresting

505
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: him at bi agent to harassing him. But he does

506
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 1: still meanwhile, have hervil LeBaron to worry about. Remember without

507
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: the arts, look at you, well Erville. Meanwhile, I was

508
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: fully embroiled in his war right now. He has already

509
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: dispatched Rulan alread up to Mormon fundamentalist heaven. And he's

510
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: got Alex Joseph running a little tight. He's looking over

511
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: his shoulder, he's carrying lots of heavy guns on him.

512
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: At one point, he gets interviewed by a reporter and

513
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: the reporter notices his paranoia and I quote Joseph too

514
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: has received threats for protection. He carries several weapons, he

515
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: sleeps at various times, and his quote suspicious of everything.

516
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: During an interview for this article, Joseph put a loaded

517
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: gun hammer open on the table in a small apartment.

518
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: The gun barrel was pointed squarely at this interviewer. Oh yeah,

519
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to say no on that one. Is it

520
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: story worth that much? As a journalist? Yes, I gotta

521
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: say yes, because you don't really think being alive. No. See,

522
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: we have different priorities. And I get him to get

523
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: to to sorrow and I'm like, let's live to see tomorrow.

524
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: And you need to knock that off, Buster Brown. I

525
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: would probably clean it is if it was super clean,

526
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I'd worry if it's not super clean. I'm like, this

527
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: guy gets arrested. It's like he got it out in

528
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: the desert. I'm mean to guess it was clean. He

529
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: was yeah, no, yeah, he he like sneezes and throwing

530
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: stars come out of his shirt sleeves. Dangerous, there's no

531
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: safety there. Well, he explains to this interviewer why it

532
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: is that he is this way, And he tells them

533
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: and I quote, I take no chances. I'm always on guard.

534
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: There are hundreds of people out there. You want to

535
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: put me in the sand. Everyone wants to put el

536
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: bras You can't try to take el Braso down. Brother. Now,

537
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: he's got his many wives, and they are unafraid unlike him.

538
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: They're not carrying around weapons, are being afraid of Earl

539
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 1: LeBaron right. They have complete faith in their shared husband. Now,

540
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: I know you're wondering about his wives, even though you

541
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: haven't asked about them, desperately wondering. I know you're like,

542
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: over there, Sney, I didn't want to. How many are there?

543
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: Remember there's twenty over the course, right, twenty total, twenty

544
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: total over the course of his life. That's estimated. That's

545
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: his own estimation. He doesn't quite know there in the middle.

546
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: Just like, is this like when some people you talk

547
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: to him, like how many dogs have you had in

548
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: your life? Yeah? A lot like that, and then like

549
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: that you know, some met unfortunate ends. Yeah. Yeah. A

550
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 1: couple of his wives divorced him. A couple of them

551
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: to just fly by nights, but most of them he

552
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: holds down right fly by nights meaning they escaped, they laugh,

553
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: they got out by nightfall there one day, by nightfall. Anyway,

554
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: can you imagine life as a sister wife. No, although

555
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: here's the thing, like, you know, if it's consensual and

556
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: they all just want to live together, I don't. I

557
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: don't really give a toss what anyone does as long

558
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: as but if it's coerced, you know, obviously, yeah we're

559
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: against that. But I just imagine that it's all consensual adults.

560
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: But I think that then you in in these situations

561
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: and you kind of do look at it like a

562
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: legal contract kind of if you're saying that marriage is

563
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: the component of the legal contract part I don't know

564
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: how emotionally involved involved evolved involved. I could be like

565
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I could not have like share someone

566
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other broads, you know, and I'd

567
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: feel weird about it. And but then I guess if

568
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: you really aren't that invested in them, you just be like,

569
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: all right, look, we're sharing the labor for this guy,

570
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: whatever supplements we want. I'm gonna be out here sweeping

571
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: the dust off this dusty back patiot. You gotta do

572
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: the laundry. I mean, like, especially if you've got a

573
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: grip of kids, like then no, wait, will flip it though,

574
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: so instead of you're having to like, you know, spread

575
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: like housecare and childcare, what if you are the wife

576
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: to a harem of brother husbands. Oh that's interesting, So

577
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: it's flip it entirely. I don't want to deal with

578
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: all that mess. They're cleaning up the mess and then

579
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: they're your brother husband. You got them on like you know,

580
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: short patrol. Can I can I banish some if they're annoying? Not? Oh,

581
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: that's part of the rule. He does that. Alex Joseph

582
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: has a house that he sends like ones off to

583
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: and they're like being a little like, well, I'm officially

584
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: a prophet now, and so let's see maybe I don't know. Again, still,

585
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 1: there's too many moving parts. Literally, God, yeah, I don't know.

586
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't like to to judge,

587
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: but you know I do love to judge. I love

588
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: to judge. So yeah, I don't. I don't know the

589
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: whole Like man Harem, harry Man Harem. Imagine that bathroom sink. Yeah,

590
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna find up doing the

591
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: laundry cleaning up. Yeah, exactly, Fan, I told you about

592
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: the sink organ. They're all Swedes for some reason, like him,

593
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: part of him from Minnesota. Alex Joseph's group of first wives,

594
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: the original seven or so. Uh. He met his first wife,

595
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: Dale after his regular marriage. His original marriage is Old

596
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: g Flavor marriage broke up and he married Dale. The

597
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: second wife was Margaret. She was quote she left her

598
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: husband because the demands of being a lone woman were

599
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: too much. Then there was Judy twenty one. She was

600
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: quote the beautiful, long haired blonde who met Joseph while

601
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: she was in the third year at University of Montana.

602
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: She was a national scholarship holder, a skiing instructor, and

603
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: a campus leader. That's you, Elizabeth, remember her they have

604
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: camp names, so they gave themselves nicknames. Judy. Yeah at

605
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: this point, now you've changed your name to Judy. Okay,

606
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: let's believe I think your name because changes her name

607
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: to Carmen, which is like, you're just going to to

608
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: opera names, and now I don't even get any history opera.

609
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I named myself after Judy Tanda Carmen's Budica. Then there

610
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: was also Teresa, also twenty one. You'll notice an age

611
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: name here. Now this is interesting about Teresa quote. She

612
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: was brought to Alex by her mother, who stayed on

613
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: as a cook in the restaurant. The family discovered Alex

614
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: in a singles newspaper, which published an interview with him

615
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: two children from a marriage when she was one of

616
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: two wives. He was like, like, not single, caution harry tale.

617
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it was like it could be worse.

618
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: He's no, it's a singles paper, Like, let's interview someone

619
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: who's who's like extra not single, ye, who's really good

620
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: at getting married? Un single? He doesn't relate to you

621
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: at all. And then when her mom is cookie down

622
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: at the shop and she's like, you don't need to

623
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 1: marry my daughter. This is at mess Okay. So then

624
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: we got Joan twenty one. She was married to Joseph

625
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: in March nineteen seventy three, and she likes to call

626
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: herself the six or seventh wife, even she lost track

627
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: so close enough for government where you have to understand.

628
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: She got that because she was one of a triplet

629
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: and her sister was also married to another polygamist. She's

630
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: she's one of three. She has a triplet and her sister,

631
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: one of the other triplets, is also married to a

632
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: polygamist who was a follower of the prophet Alex Joseph,

633
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: but not the same one he did. One of them

634
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: had common sense, but he didn't marry. One of the

635
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: triplets married his follower, and then he married one of

636
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: the triplets, and the third one married the whole litter. No.

637
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I remember he's also the leader of a startup church,

638
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, ac cult leader. So it was just a

639
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: super popular occupation in the nineteen seventies for men. It

640
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: was like really an option, So do you want to

641
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: sell cars, auto insurance or maybe bel I tested well

642
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: and cult leaders so nastly. Now we come to his

643
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: last wife, which is paul Let Combs. She was missed

644
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: teen Kentucky nineteen seventy three, and she's sixteen years old

645
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: when she gets Okay, now that's where I draw the

646
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: line there. Yes, Now this last marriage gives a little

647
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: insight into how it all works. Quote at a wedding

648
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: ceremony overlooking the Brigham Plains, Utah, where the other wives

649
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 1: sang songs after each giving permission to accept her as

650
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,239
Speaker 1: a sister wife, Paulette said, I've never been happier than

651
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: at this moment. I am honored to become a member

652
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: of a family where there is so much love. Her

653
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 1: new husband, Alex posted, I'm the lucky one. Paul. It

654
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: is beautiful. That's all that matters. Elizabeth. Since I know

655
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: you're wondering how it all works in the bedroom, you're

656
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: just too decent to ask. They all share him. So

657
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: there you go. I was not wondering. I had put

658
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: in a steel jericho. I was. I had completely de

659
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: sex to this entire thing, and they were just roommates,

660
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't. Let's stop the walls up. I'm not

661
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: going up. I know you're just pretending because you are curious,

662
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: and so I quote Alex himself insists there's no competition

663
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: for either his body or his time. He just spreads

664
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: himself freely. How it works is that women woul tell

665
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: him like, hey, my moon's good, or like my temperatures

666
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: right for baby making, we should do it tonight, and

667
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, come and knocking on the door

668
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: in the bedroom will be are rocking? Oh my god? Yeah,

669
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: So you know anyway, the I'm just I'm just doing

670
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: the laundry, my own business, just sweeping the sweeping the

671
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: dirty ground, like I'm not even on the patio the

672
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: dust onto the dirt. I am sweeping the dirt. Back

673
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: to sionsh Park, one of his early wives, she said,

674
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: nobody understands polygamy like Alex does, because Alex is the

675
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: smartest man on earth. That's the sixteen year old No, no,

676
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: that was year old you. Well, let's take a quick

677
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: break now that we've met the wives, and I'll get

678
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: to how all of this gets resolved in the most

679
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: peculiar way. I love it now, Elizabeth, you and your

680
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: sister wives are enjoying a great life here in southern Utah.

681
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: Are you taking it so far? Is it? Of course?

682
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: It's amazing you got all these chores to share you

683
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: got the most brilliant man in the world spreading himself around,

684
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: his seat around, and you raise those kids as a

685
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: big family. Sounds awesome. Well, apparently the Sister Wives, they

686
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: consistently and everything I read they said that being a

687
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: sister wife worked well for them. Did I ever get

688
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: to go to law school? Yes, and you graduated, you

689
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: become a lawyer. But I don't really have a of

690
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: them become journal No, you do, like some become journalists.

691
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: You're still in law school at this time. You're getting

692
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: your law degree. And we'll get into I live out

693
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, but he's got a private plane.

694
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: He flies you in. Remember, he's making lots of money,

695
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: pushing pills of health and stuff. Am I happy completely

696
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: feeling completely evolved? Yeah? Now, well, here's the thing. The

697
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: sister wives. They all say that by having partners in

698
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: the traditional roles of motherhood and being a wife, he

699
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: allows them time to do other stuff because there's always

700
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: one to take care of the kids always want to

701
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: like attend to the husband's needs, and so a few

702
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: of the rest can do stuff like get a law degree.

703
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: So they keep talking about it as a feminist practice.

704
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: They one of them even goes to the National Organization

705
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: of Women, it gives like a speech about it and that. Yeah,

706
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: this mid seventies, the National Organization of Women didn't quite

707
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: know what to make of them, because they're like, they

708
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: are emancipated in the sense they get to do more

709
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: than a lot of other women, and they do seem

710
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: to be quite content. It is their choice. I just

711
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: don't want to believe his words. So it was really confounding,

712
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: right until you hear Alex Joseph's take, and then it

713
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: all gets cleared. Right now, Yeah, I would imagine. So

714
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: I quote my man, Alex Joseph, I'm a chauvin his pig,

715
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: no question about it. The women's liberation movement is going

716
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: to hate me. But women's liberation didn't get born at

717
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: a polygamy. It got born out of monogamy. It was

718
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: monogamy that was holding the women captive. My wives don't

719
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: belong to a woman's liberation group, and I'll tell you

720
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: there isn't a woman who does who has got the

721
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: same liberties and freedoms my wives do. Okay, So that's

722
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: what you got at home. And no, this is not

723
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: so good, not so feminist. No, not so much so,

724
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: because I know you also want to know more about

725
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: life inside. They're happy home, just don't want to admit it.

726
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: Please tell me more. I will let you know how

727
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: it is that they manage the children and the whole

728
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: Like how do we share Alex. I don't mean sexually,

729
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean just like who sits next to him on

730
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: the couch? You know, ladies, I want no part of

731
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: this making the popcorn right. So this is from a

732
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: news story the one reporter captured when they went to

733
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: the Alex Joseph compound in ninety five, and you are

734
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: still a happy sister wife at this time, almost about

735
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: to graduate from law school. Quote. When Alex Joseph leaves

736
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: for work, he kisses a dozen cheeks, pats six children

737
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: on the head, and proceeds to earn sufficient money that

738
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: day to feed twenty people three meals. You see the things,

739
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: and he when he flops on the couch come evening,

740
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: a beautiful black haired girl slips under one arm, a

741
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: long haired blonde smuggles under the other, while a trim

742
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: lovely wearing a bowie knife and brings him coffee, and

743
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: another wearing a bandolier opens a briefcase to discuss various

744
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: legal problems. Oh my god, wait, am I wearing a

745
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: band Yes? You are? My god? Is this like a

746
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: fever dream? I'm so confused by my fake life here. Well,

747
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: when your husband is going out of the house to

748
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: earn all the keep for you and the other nineteen

749
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: miles to feed. How he does it is by harvesting

750
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 1: wild jin sing from the red hills of the desert.

751
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: He also buys turquoise jewelry from the local Indians. He

752
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: upsells it on markets who can, yes, exactly. And of

753
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: course he also has his restaurant, El Braso's Red Desert

754
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: in no oh boy. He's pulling down a quarter million

755
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: a year from all these different scams and opportunities. But

756
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: doesn't it sound like a like a seventies like b

757
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: movie where he's just lounging around ladies draped on him. Well, dude,

758
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: do you have a wife in the bandolier? But the

759
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: briefcase of legal issues, as she could well attest, there

760
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: is a lot of trouble outside of this happy loveness.

761
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: It sounds like tried seventies fever dreams. Seventies fever dream

762
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: but like a constant stream of porters apparently. Oh yeah,

763
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: and also FBI agents, because I've been kind of leaving

764
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: out that is, there's a stream of FBI agents always.

765
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: But I told you, I hinted it earlier. They're arresting

766
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: him all the time. We're harassing him. They go down

767
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: to El Braso's Red Dessert in and they check on

768
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: the health food inspections or whenever they have to see

769
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: if they can catch him slipping right, And it's just

770
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: not working now. Accrying to our man, Alex Joseph, he

771
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: claims that there is a list of three hundred people

772
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: who would like to have him sworn, who have sworn

773
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: to kill him. And remember, everrvil LeBaron is still alive,

774
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: and he's got his horn and he's yeah, he's putting

775
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: people in the sand. So Alex Joseph meanwhile, isn't going anywhere,

776
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: and he tells the news Free reporter quote, I've been

777
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: run out of Montana, run out of California. Now we're

778
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: holed up here in the hills and we're running no more.

779
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: Oh so he and the sister. While I was ready

780
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: to fight right now, the BLM has been suing him repeatedly,

781
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: trying to like paper him and bankrupt him on legal fees.

782
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: So they have been like and he claims to be

783
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: a part of a group of homesteaders, so they're doing

784
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: a whole like constitutional fights, a lot of legal paperwork,

785
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: and he's been squatting, you know, free years, and so

786
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: he keeps doing this and the BLM is like filing

787
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: lawsuit after lawsuit, and the FBI agents are harassing him,

788
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: and he keeps an a K forty seven on him

789
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: for the resumed raid he's waiting for. And so I

790
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: was like, when these reporters come out to talk to him,

791
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: he'll be out there like firing his A K forty

792
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: seven into a mountain side at a bunch of coke

793
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: cans and be like, that's how I'll bring down two

794
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: dollar government helicopter with just a fifteen cent bullet and

795
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: his Amazonian guards. Oh yes, Well, I also remember he

796
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: has the Bible, which he keeps on him at all times,

797
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: so that's keep that thing hot. So he pulls that

798
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 1: thing out at any cause and he's like, um, by

799
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: the way, did you know that there are fifty places

800
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: in the Bible where polygamy is not only allowed, but

801
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: is actually recommended And people are like, no, I had

802
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: never heard that. I did not know the Bible was

803
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: cool and polygamy like that. He's like, not only that,

804
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: but Jesus Christ him self was a polygamist. Now I've

805
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: read the Bible, I do not remember to Christ having

806
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: a harem of honeys. But you know whatever, Joseph keeps

807
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: it moving. Seven he found himself a new church because,

808
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, things evolved. He's got his legal fights. He

809
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: wants to get ahead of the FBI and the government,

810
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: so he's a church. It'll be harder to get his land, right.

811
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: He's like, I got to do this. So he creates

812
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: the Church of Jesus Christ in solemn assembly. Right. Yeah,

813
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: it's like a whole little knockoff. Obviously Christ of Latter

814
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: day Saints. He's like, how about son assembly. He looks around,

815
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 1: how are we assembling right now? We're pretty solid. We

816
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: can do this fires in the air. He also, by

817
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: the way, creates at the same time the Confederate Nations

818
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: of Israel. Just trying to unpack that one. I don't

819
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: know which place which you start with. He's he's sneaking

820
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: up on sovereign citizenship. He's stomping on it. Yeah, he

821
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: looks deep into it. So he this is meant to

822
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: be the political wing of his church is accomparable to

823
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Joseph's Council of fifty, which is like the their political way.

824
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: So he has a great quote where he says, it's

825
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: all about Jesus. Can you deal with one more quote

826
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: from a man in his words and I quote, We're

827
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: here trying to do one thing when the approval of

828
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: God by a deliberate following of the example of Jesus Christ,

829
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: whether we are or not, we're doing something that baffles

830
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: the world, which is exactly what Christians have always done.

831
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 1: If you teach the gospel of Jesus Christ, they will

832
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: chase you, they will put a contract out on your life,

833
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: they will put you in jail, and they will kick

834
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: you out of their houses. They have done all those things.

835
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: Do us. What I'm trying to determine is whether I

836
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: have a constitutional right to set up a monarchy in

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Speaker 1: southern Utah. M married to my wife because we have

838
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Speaker 1: the constitutional right to contract an aristocratic royal marriage. Plural

839
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: marriage is not an alternative lifestyle. I found. I found

840
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: an alternative to democracy, an alternative to being oppressed by

841
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: the majority. The alternative I found was Christianity makes no absolute.

842
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Jesus is like exhausted, and he's just like,

843
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Speaker 1: oh my god. All right, a couple of notes. One,

844
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: you're totally wrong. Did you listen? Do you have any

845
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: He's so exasperated, please read the article, not just the headlines.

846
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: Constantly getting upset about the click bait. Yeah, he's like,

847
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: keep my name out your mouth. So now he's like,

848
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, I look, I'm a king in the desert

849
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: like my man Jesus Christ, and a polygamus like my

850
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: man Jesus Christ. But unlike Jesus Christ, I'm also a

851
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: gun toting former cop and marine who's also an award

852
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: to overthrow the US government. So mind your ps and

853
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: queues on the ranch. Now is as the story develops,

854
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: he is about to make democratic history, which is just

855
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: all kinds of ironic because of what I just told you, Right, yeah, well,

856
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: I remember how I told you. One of his many

857
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 1: wives said, Alex Joseph was the smartest man on earth.

858
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Your husband, you know him? Oh yeah, he's he's a

859
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: total genius. The whole around. This time, we're up to

860
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: about nineteen eighty now, and Uh, he kind of fallen

861
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: out of favor because the seventies are waning. We're about

862
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: to get into Reagan America. People don't care so much

863
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: about a polygamus in the desert in the Utah. It's

864
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: just not that seventies anymore. So he's like, how do

865
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: I get back in the national news headlines. He's like,

866
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: I gotta take it back to the deep cuts, the

867
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: old school original hits. So he goes back and he says,

868
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: you know what Joseph Smith did to get attention. So

869
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: he announces, just like Joseph Smith before him, he has

870
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: discovered and decoded his own ancient relic to proves that

871
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: Jesus was misunderstood and to quiet the nonbelievers. He claims

872
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: that due to his FBI training, and I quote Utah Polygamus.

873
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: This is from a news story in the Salt Lake Tribune.

874
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: Quote Utah Polygamus, Alex Joseph said Friday. He used techniques

875
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: he learned it an FBI fingerprinting school to translate writings

876
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: on an Egyptian burial disc, which contains so much information

877
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: quote the Encyclopedia Britannica can be rewritten. Now he makes

878
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: his announcement along with his new book Dry Bones or

879
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: Resurrection of Ancient Understandings, and he claims or explains rather

880
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 1: that the ancient Egyptian text that is on the burial

881
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: disc which he discovered buried in I guess Arizona and

882
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: spend time to coding, is written in three languages. There

883
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: is a mathematical one, geometrical one, and an a strong

884
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 1: astronomical one. Okay, and it's an Egyptian artifact in Arizona

885
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: that has three languages that two of them are mathematical.

886
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: But this some ancient alien stuff. I don't even know anymore.

887
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: At this point. We're out past that dude in a while. Now.

888
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: He takes it back to the little compound and they're like, yeah,

889
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: that makes total sense, and like looking at each other,

890
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: is it time to back her bag? Yeah, okay, we

891
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: go get tupper where So meanwhile he's telling everybody that

892
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: this will provide information on Jesus christ resurrection, the connection

893
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: between the Egyptians, the Hebrews, the celch the Druids, and

894
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: of course the American pioneers. Of course, because the ancient

895
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: Egyptians were on that they knew what was coming in

896
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: the future. Yeah, Yeah, people need to know about the

897
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: space called America. After that fails to get him, he

898
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: acclaim he wants he decides he's gonna get into politics.

899
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: He's like, you know what, that's the future of America

900
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: these days. So he renames his town Big Water, Utah

901
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: because it's in the desert and big Water fits. I

902
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: don't know. He names himself the first mayor. Actually technically

903
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: he has an election, but it's all his family name

904
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: him in that town, which also now makes him, by

905
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: the way, the first official openly polygamist mayor in America.

906
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: And he's also a Republican, so he's the first official

907
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Republican polygamist mayor in America. Is that it's not an

908
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: incorporated town. Yeah, he incorporates, and you have a mayor, yeah,

909
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: and his wife. You, by the way, are the city

910
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: are the city attorneys? Well? Sure? Yeah, so good good

911
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: job on you pay off. I got a job, I

912
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: got a degree, I got someone cleaning the house I

913
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: was taking care of. I'm just going to be out

914
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: new paperwork against BLM again again. Well, how is he

915
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: gets him back in the national news because of polygamoust

916
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: mayor who is a Republican. That's good for headlines. And

917
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: then libertarians come around. They're like, hey man, you ever

918
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: thought about switching parties? And was like, yeah, I think

919
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: I could be into that, and he decided to become

920
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: a libertarian. So then he switches, and then you and

921
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: the whole city council all switch parties, and so now

922
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: the whole town is it's the first town ever run

923
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: by an entire libertarian government. There you go, that's where

924
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: you get libertarians. There's your So meanwhile people are like,

925
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: hey man, Alex Joseph, how is it that you, a polygamist,

926
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: a known law breaker, can be the mayor and upholder

927
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: of the law. It's a good question. I'm glad you

928
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: asked that what I do doesn't break the law. I've

929
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: been doing it openly out in front for years now.

930
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: I think someone needs to tell him that's not how

931
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: the law works. It's not like, oh, if you've been

932
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: violating the law for at least ten years laws. I

933
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: was like, if you haven't warned this outfit in five years,

934
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: you should throw it out. If you haven't followed this

935
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: law for five years, throw it out. Doesn't count to

936
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: three terms. As the mayor of Big Water Are, Utah,

937
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: Alex Joseph walks off into the sunset, sends his sombrero

938
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: flying off into the distance, and says, I'm out of politics,

939
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: and he just retires to live with his sister wives

940
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: and for the next four years he does exactly that

941
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: until he dies in Yep, he has seven wives at

942
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: the time, out of his twenty of his lifetime and

943
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: he left behind and estimated, can you guess how many children? Oh,

944
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: great day in the morning. Twenty three grandchildren? Wow, well

945
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: that's not a lot of grandchildren come out of twenty Well,

946
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, that's a while ago though. Well,

947
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: because remember he's getting them pregnant like the seventies, yea,

948
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: and children just starting into the grandchildren years. Yeah, that's true.

949
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: Now are they still there? They are still there out there,

950
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: and they have an openly gay may or. They did

951
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: after him, and that was a big talk and some

952
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: of the sister was were like, I'm not down with that,

953
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: but you know, teach their own to that. Yeah, they

954
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: like an example o libertarian values. So there's our story

955
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: of Alex Joseph and the Code of Many Colors. So

956
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: what's our ridiculous takeaway, Little wife, The ridiculous takeaway for

957
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: me is I'm torn about wanting people to be able

958
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: to do what they like, but that I'd worry about

959
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: the exploitation. No, I know exactly the sixteen year old,

960
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: this Kentucky team troubling isn't understanding. Yeah, exactly. Now that's

961
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: clear that basically, Well here, just to put it all

962
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: into a fine point, like you, I agree that people

963
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: should be allowed to be as freaky deaky as they want.

964
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: I want everyone to do what they want as long

965
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: as you're not hurting anybody. Uh. And this is my

966
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: last quote from Alex Joseph. He said, and I quote,

967
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: we should have the right, the right to be considered

968
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: normal people, not freaks. We should have the right to

969
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: be proud of ourselves and our ways. We don't push

970
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: polygamy on others. We want others to understand and accept us.

971
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Now I agree with him, there are no freaks under

972
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: the sun. So as long as you're not earning anybody,

973
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: I totally agree. But the sixteen year old, that's where

974
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: he has a track record. You can he's not marrying

975
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: any year old sister. Wise, well, he wants you know,

976
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: young able to be bred and yeah, and when he

977
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: focuses on the sixteen year old's not like, oh, we

978
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: have such a great report. Look at her. She beautiful.

979
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm the luck you want sixteen year old? About what

980
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: are they have in common? Yes? What interest could they share?

981
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: Bird watching, rock skipping. So, as we've always said you

982
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: and I keep saying this, we don't really to judge

983
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: anybody on this stuff. And it's debatable. But if this

984
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: was consent, this was a little bit different time a

985
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: sixteen year old. You know, I'm not going to get

986
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: into all of the stuff, but I don't I don't

987
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: know her, I don't know what she but she said

988
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: that she made her decision free consenting adults. So forth.

989
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: So let's just say that's the case, just for the

990
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: sake of argument. But let's make no mistake. Alex Joseph

991
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: is no folk hero. This dude is not my dude

992
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: in this case. And uh, he's just a dude who

993
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: went up against the law and so he could do

994
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: whatever he wanted to do, which is very common. It's

995
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: actually surprisingly common amongst people who were once cops. It

996
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: sounds like it, and people like me, you know, should

997
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: be fairly he got away with it, though, yeah he

998
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: did pretty much. He broke the lat long enough and

999
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: I want all he had to follow. I guess so

1000
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 1: that's the story Aboux Joseph and his many Not really,

1001
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: but I like, well, thank you for joining us. I'm

1002
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton. Over there is my sister wife, Zeron Burnett.

1003
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1005
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,680
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1006
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1007
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,600
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1008
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1009
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