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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: We have a little gift for all the Christians and

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Speaker 1: non believers alike on this magical day.

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Speaker 3: Which is December twenty fifth, Christmas.

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Speaker 2: We're combining two of our listener favorite stories and making

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Speaker 2: them into the Best of the Year quilt episode.

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Speaker 1: That's right, So first George is going to revisit the

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Speaker 1: story of Locusta, the Poisoner of Rome.

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Speaker 2: And then Karen will tell the story of aviation legend

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Speaker 2: Amelia Earhart and her mysterious disappearance.

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Speaker 1: So, as you guys know, we have a holiday tradition

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Speaker 1: where we make donations throughout the month of December to

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Speaker 1: charities that make a real difference in people's lives.

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Speaker 2: So today we're making our final donation of ten thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars to an organization called Feeding America that we're part

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Speaker 2: of a nationwide network of over two hundred food banks

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Speaker 2: and sixty thousand meal programs so people can access food

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Speaker 1: And they work with lawmakers to make it easier for

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Speaker 1: people to get food by expanding access to food assistance programs.

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Speaker 2: So, if you like to join us in getting to

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Speaker 2: this very important cause, go to their website at Feeding

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Speaker 2: America dot org.

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Speaker 1: You can also explore their volunteer opportunities like helping out

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Speaker 1: at a food bank, hosting a food drive, or donating

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Speaker 1: to your local food pantry.

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Speaker 2: Let's all find ways to look out for each other

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Speaker 2: in the coming year.

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Speaker 1: So get cozy and enjoy the special best of the

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Speaker 1: Year quilt episode.

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Speaker 2: And happy holidays whatever you celebrate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good blue goodbye.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you what I think might be

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Speaker 2: the oldest story we've done. Maybe, No, you did a

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Speaker 2: really old one once. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Remember when I did the weather in fourteen, like thirteen.

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Speaker 1: It was like when the weather was so bad for

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Speaker 1: a year and a half that everyone just like dued.

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Speaker 2: This is fucking older. No, this is older.

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Speaker 3: Are you about to tell me a Bible story?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you a biblical fucking stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna, but we are going to go back to

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Speaker 2: the early days of the Roman Empire, so that the

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Speaker 3: Day pretty early.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, early. And it does sound like something straight out

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Speaker 2: of Game of Thrones and actually was probably a likely

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Speaker 2: source of inspiration for George R. R. Martin. This is

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Speaker 2: the story of a woman that what you're gonna get.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm just yeah, I'm ready for it.

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Speaker 2: This is the story of a woman some people describe

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Speaker 2: as history's first documented serial killer. Oh, this is the

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Speaker 2: story of Locusta, the poisoner of Rome. Yes, yes, you're

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Speaker 2: ready for her?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Please, Hi, let's do it. So there are very limited

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Speaker 2: primary sources about Locusta. She's only briefly mentioned in surviving

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Speaker 2: histories of Rome. Of course. It's just like everyone's moved on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're over it, Italians, let's not talk about it.

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Speaker 3: No one was talking about her when I went to Italy, right.

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Speaker 2: Well, but the main sources for the story we're an

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Speaker 2: episode of an adorable podcast called History for Weirdos, which

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Speaker 2: is super lovely. It's his married couple, they're very smart,

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Speaker 2: and an article from All But That's interesting by Genevieve Carlton.

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Speaker 2: So we don't know much about Lacusa's early life. We

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Speaker 1: I honestly thought Germany, and I was like, you should

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Speaker 1: my head that goes, don't do it, don't you?

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Speaker 3: And try so don't know?

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Speaker 2: Is incept? Don't you incept?

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Speaker 3: You're kidding yourself up.

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Speaker 2: She's born sometimes around fourteen eighty so, And of course

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Speaker 2: It called gladiat Or two.

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Speaker 2: You should be happy for yourself.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I wondered where he was Claudius.

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Speaker 2: There you go. And before them, Rome had been a republic.

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Speaker 1: Cannot for sure, really rather not, but I will tell

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Speaker 1: So like you know when you're thinking about it and

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Speaker 2: They're still standing.

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Speaker 1: And then there's like metal statuary on top of that.

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Speaker 2: What a time I want to go, But stop it

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Speaker 1: Well, it's the thing that they talk about. More like,

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Speaker 2: They got more food and circuses than I did, and

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Speaker 2: The billionaires don't pay taxes, and corporations are in the

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Speaker 1: It's no Victorian England. This is the two times I know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: But while normal people are enjoying themselves, the ruling class

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Speaker 1: That's like, is that what's in the Vatican secret.

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Speaker 2: All the sorcery plant fucking recipes, all.

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Speaker 3: This stuff that really to help us.

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Speaker 2: So in her early career in Rome, Lacusta works with

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Speaker 2: two other women to make poisons for wealthy clients. The

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Speaker 2: She would have used hashtag boss bitch, yes, if she

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Speaker 2: had Instagram do it? You know. Lacusta makes a name

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Speaker 2: But I can't read. She makes a name for herself.

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Speaker 2: been arrested and convicted on multiple occasions. However, her powerful

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Speaker 2: about all the poisons. Loa custa uses. Unfortunately those are

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Speaker 2: Deadly nightshade as well as arsenic and the litany of

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Speaker 2: other poisons. I think you have to imagine Sally from

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Speaker 2: To combine things, a little of this, and it sounds

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Speaker 2: like she also knows how to create new poisons from

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Speaker 3: Also, I didn't realize that until now. It's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Poisonings happening, like palace intrigues type stuff. Yeah, those rich

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Speaker 3: I mean that's it also, but that's how they did

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Speaker 2: But the feather has been coded in more poison, and

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Speaker 3: How they're locking it down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Claudius dies.

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Speaker 2: After Claudius dies, Agrippina, who hired Luqsta, has Lucesta jailed

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Speaker 1: Because also it's all going to be down to her obviously, Yeah, like.

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Speaker 2: But this doesn't matter because her son Nero quickly frees

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Speaker 2: her because he also needs her help. So Claudius's biological

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Speaker 2: Britannicus. Oh, I got them now, I'm not gonna He's

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Speaker 2: I truly can't. Britannicus still has a powerful claim to

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Speaker 2: and quickly hires her to kill thirteen year old Britannicus,

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Speaker 2: which is like, just send him to a fucking island.

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Speaker 3: They can't.

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Speaker 1: It's always killing with them, so much killing, so much killing.

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Speaker 2: He wants her to make his death appear to be

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Speaker 3: Locusta flaw.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh okay, but they try again. Nero throws a

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Speaker 2: wine diluted with water, blah blah blah. Basically, before Britannicus

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Speaker 2: Britannicus drinks it. It's probably Belladonna. And thing is Britannicus

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Speaker 2: he's just having a seizure, which is like, again, let's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the place if you're like, well, there's the

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Speaker 2: No, we're all fine. Yeah. Britannicus is brought to another

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Speaker 2: is so Game of Thrones. Yeah, right, with his face

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Speaker 2: People just aren't really paying attention, I feel like back.

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Speaker 1: Then, or they're just not staring into the face, maybe

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Speaker 2: Or they're like I'm not the one to say anything.

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Speaker 1: Well, right, there's poisoners everywhere, poisoners.

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Speaker 1: I get to tell you if anybody wants to watch it,

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Speaker 1: I Claudia is a pretty amazing It's like old British

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Speaker 1: is like the steaks are insane.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm into it.

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Speaker 1: Because then it's like if you live and you're the

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Speaker 1: one that doesn't get poisoned, you get to have like

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Speaker 1: all of Germany, right, you get to help do you

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Speaker 3: We have stuff all the way up in Ireland.

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Speaker 2: But then someone's coming for you too. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: that's right. I can't poison everyone, and whatever poison you,

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Speaker 2: I know something. But just because he has that chalk

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Speaker 2: immediately known throughout Rome that Britannicus has been poisoned.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: There's also probably like a no snitching on you know

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he'll kill you immediately, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like just keep your mouth shut. Nero rewards Lucusta

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Speaker 2: It's a happy ending.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is really positive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He also grants her immunity for all future crimes.

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Speaker 2: Does that sound familiar?

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not in anyway fast forward immunity.

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Speaker 2: Some accounts say that Lauquesta is given enslaved people and

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Speaker 2: Like you don't think about like you think of serial

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Speaker 1: Lot, just the second the first human brain that got

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Speaker 3: Sorry, that's an oversimplification.

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Speaker 2: No, that sounds psychopathically, but from what I've read, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, especially back then, Yeah, it was much before it

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Speaker 2: Definitely, And some people say that at this point she

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Speaker 2: happens to Lucusta for about fifteen years until she's in

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Speaker 2: her mid fifties. During this time, Nero has made a

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Speaker 1: Just ungrateful. Yeah, a little bastard totally.

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Speaker 2: In sixty eight eighty, Nero is unseated by a man

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Speaker 1: Sorry but right there, if I was like, Goalba's now

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Speaker 2: Why because you never do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not you don't have any us.

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Speaker 1: At the end, Galba is fucking Goalba.

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Speaker 2: Let's all get the fuck out of here.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get out of room.

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Speaker 2: And Nero dies by suicide. Shortly after this, the new

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Speaker 2: can be done as well. Yes, we've heard it comes

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Speaker 2: So for fifteen fucking years, Locusta was living the good life. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and you know, nothing lasts, No, it doesn't. Time is

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Speaker 3: The pendulum swings and swings.

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Speaker 2: Exactly flat circle. Gaba accuses Lucusta of killing more than

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Speaker 2: Game of Thrones, yes, yep. Some say she is then

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Speaker 2: which seems like it's reserved for special circumstances, as well

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Speaker 1: Pretty but not Yeah, but yeah, what did just you

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Speaker 3: Oh god?

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Speaker 2: Well, anyway, that's the end of Locusta's story as we

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Speaker 2: know it, which there isn't a ton Let's get Jessica

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Speaker 2: Pictures fucking movie out here.

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Speaker 1: Also, if you have a history podcast where you go

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Speaker 2: I tell you no history for weirdos. They clearly went

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Speaker 3: Should I go there first?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they know what they're talking about.

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Speaker 3: They're good explains, they're.

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Speaker 3: Don't understand because they studied.

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Speaker 2: Because they studied and probably didn't drink themselves into oblivion

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Speaker 1: and stayed in school, yeah, is that it's because they

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Speaker 1: read books and got what was happening. And then we're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a great factoid, which I

439
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Speaker 1: feel like you and I are both the kind of

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Speaker 1: people had we not been born with these brains that

441
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Speaker 1: would we would have been those people. But like this,

442
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Speaker 1: sitting in the seat and then being told what to

443
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Speaker 1: do totally, the distractions and the time away from drinking

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Speaker 1: all of that disinterest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm fine with that. We're not all going

446
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Speaker 2: to be We're not all supposed to be the same.

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Speaker 1: No, but I feel like these days, you know, history

448
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 1: for weirdos. There are people who got really good at

449
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Speaker 1: teaching because they understand what's interesting about history or like that.

450
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Speaker 1: It's here's how you bring into history to life where.

451
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Speaker 2: This podcast will kill you a great example. Oh so smart.

452
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Speaker 1: Learning about that kind of stuff where it's like, oh,

453
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Speaker 1: often we put a mental block up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh history I did, that's boring. It's like,

455
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Speaker 2: it's so not boring, boring. I'm a big fan of history,

456
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Speaker 2: I really am. And that is everything we know about

457
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Speaker 2: the woman who was possibly the first serial killer, Locusta

458
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Speaker 2: of our Rome. Wow, that was great, thank you.

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Speaker 1: You want to dip into Roman, the Roman Empire, everyone's

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Speaker 1: a while to tell me about it.

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Speaker 3: I am here for it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we have to. There's a whole there's a whole

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Speaker 2: time period.

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Speaker 1: Thousands and thousands of years thousands of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Wow, good, I'm glad you like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was great, thanks, wonderful.

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Speaker 2: All right, well we did it. We got some beautiful

468
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Speaker 2: This has been like huge, well rounded episode.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're like, you know what I mean, it's like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like we're able to get in there and

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Speaker 1: really produce.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Everything is handed to us as we walk in the door,

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Speaker 1: every single.

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Speaker 2: Thing ford because we were born with it. They can't

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Speaker 2: hand that to me.

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Speaker 3: You can't hand that to you.

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Speaker 1: Can't print that up on a copier and a different

479
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Speaker 1: part of the building I've never seen.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't. No. Well, thank you guys for being

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Speaker 2: here and being part of this. So appreciative.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we really love it.

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Speaker 1: And one last thank you to all are Ceramic Ceramicists

484
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Speaker 1: Ceramicists artists from ninth anniversary.

485
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Speaker 2: Including Emily aka Pottery Mama, Missy aka Young Yenta, Sam

486
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Speaker 2: Regal with that beautiful mug, and Lindsey Cook with the

487
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Speaker 2: Altered Moments figurine every good. I've just been like talking

488
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Speaker 2: to you this whole time and listening to you with

489
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Speaker 2: these beautiful things behind your head, and I'm so distracted,

490
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Speaker 2: and I keep just going, Oh, you.

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Speaker 1: Know we do is take these and put them down

492
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Speaker 1: here and put these things up here so these guys

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Speaker 1: get a little time in the sun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, definitely, we're interior designers.

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Speaker 3: We are We're going to fill up these shelves with

496
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Speaker 3: all of the beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's just so nice that we have the kind of

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Speaker 1: listeners that and you guys have been like this from

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Speaker 1: day one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that like we go like, hey, can.

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Speaker 1: We have a thing about like hey, will you do

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Speaker 1: those well realmium employers And then it's like, boom, cure.

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Speaker 2: That's my specialty. Yeah, boom, And I'm funny and creative.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible, And like the response, the ceramic response

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Speaker 1: is to the point where the post office is kind

506
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Speaker 1: of mad. It's wonderful, just like you're the early days,

507
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Speaker 1: George would go to her post office box.

508
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Speaker 2: And they'd be like, what's murder? They get mad about

509
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Speaker 2: the word murder on being like listen, listen. It's been

510
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Speaker 2: around for at least since Slow Custos time, truly, so

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Speaker 2: I'm going to turn it around. I've got a one eighty.

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Speaker 2: I would love a one eighties.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, because Women's History Month just ended this week,

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Speaker 1: and yet.

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Speaker 3: It feels to me like we should continue remembering women,

516
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Speaker 3: shouldn't we in.

517
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Speaker 1: Case we're wiped off the face of the planet here

518
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Speaker 1: in America, you know.

519
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Speaker 2: In case we're Handmaid's tailed.

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Speaker 1: There's so much going on in the world, and I

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Speaker 1: think talking about the women whose shoulders we all stand on.

522
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Speaker 2: Is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Love it no matter what the story is, definitely, and

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Speaker 1: I like the idea that.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's people who listen to our podcast and they

527
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Speaker 1: do have, you know, their young daughters in the backs.

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Speaker 3: See, here's a story you can let them listen to.

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Speaker 3: We'll try not to say the F word very much.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try. Let's seef I can get through an

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Speaker 2: entire story without cursing.

532
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Speaker 3: Haha or without saying fuck. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to tell you the story today of

534
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: an American icon who, by boldly chasing her dreams, made

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Speaker 1: an indelible imprint on our culture. But despite her extraordinary life,

536
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Speaker 1: she's most famous for the mysterious circumstances surrounding her death,

537
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Speaker 1: arguably one of recent history's greatest unsolved mysteries. For nearly

538
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Speaker 1: a century, searchers have tried to force a satisfying conclusion

539
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: to her story, and they've always come up short. But

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Speaker 1: because all the focus has been on how she died,

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Speaker 1: the way she lived, including her many accomplishments and her advocacy,

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Speaker 1: is often forgotten. So today I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 1: the story of pioneering aviator Amelia Earhart.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, Oh my god, I've been like following the stories.

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Speaker 2: I just always click on the stories of they think

546
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Speaker 2: they found this, they think they found that. Here's the next,

547
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: Like I cannot not click on those.

548
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's fascinating.

549
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: It's like they have to find something someday that's conclusive.

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Speaker 2: It's a legit mystery. Okay, tell me everything. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the sources for this story today are writer Doris L.

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Speaker 1: Rich's book, a biography Amelia Earhart, which is a primary

553
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Speaker 1: There's also a PBS documentary series that's American Experience that's.

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Speaker 3: All about her.

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Speaker 2: Fucking love American Experience, and they're one of the best shows.

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Speaker 1: If you're just looking for something, I like, if you've

557
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: an empty day and you're trying to feel enriched while

558
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Speaker 1: still being completely entertained, American Experience will do the job

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't care if you don't give a shit

561
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: about the fucking dust ball. You'll be fascinated by the

562
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Speaker 2: dust ball while you do your nails.

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Speaker 1: And I have to say home, Jim, I was raised

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Speaker 1: by my father forcing me to watch PBS material and

565
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: so furious where we'd be like right after Happy Days

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Speaker 1: with Ende, turn it over, let's see what's on BBS,

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Speaker 1: And then we'd have to watch an opera.

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Speaker 3: We'd have to watch Carl say, again.

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Speaker 2: A coincidence that you're here owning your own fucking business today?

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Speaker 2: Probably not?

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Speaker 3: Probably not.

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Speaker 1: I think PBS enriched my life. Did my father ever

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Speaker 1: give them a diamond donations? Not only not once? And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I sall do this.

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Speaker 2: He sued them for money? Oh no, sued PBS for damages,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: But my mom would always like walk through and he'd

578
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Speaker 1: be watching something and really enjoying it, you know, like

579
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Speaker 1: a documentary on the automat or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Had to watch that the last time I went home, amazing.

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Speaker 1: But my mom would always go, Jim, you have to

582
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Speaker 1: give them money, and he would go, bullshit, they're not getting.

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Speaker 3: A dime out of me.

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Speaker 1: And that was like his proud stance, and he refused

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Speaker 1: to give them MONEYBS.

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Speaker 3: It's the ultimate, like he's gonna finally rip somebody else's sight.

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00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 2: You're fighting the wrong fight, bro.

588
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, he has absolutely given them money, and it was

589
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: just a bit basically he's doing to.

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Speaker 3: Piss my mom off.

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Speaker 1: You right, Okay, he's not really a douche bag, because

592
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Speaker 1: truly with the Kilgaratt family has gotten there absolute phill

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Speaker 1: from from free toe bags.

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Speaker 2: Do you guys have from them? That's how you know?

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00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: Oh so anyway, there's also a two part national geographic

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00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: podcast called Overheard. Did you know there was a national

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00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: geographic podcast?

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00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 3: Oh?

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00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: I love it? Oh.

601
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: I also sorry this should go up into the top,

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00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: but since we didn't do it, I'll just say it now.

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Speaker 1: On TikTok this morning, I learned that the Southern Poverty

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Speaker 1: Law Center has just launched their own podcast, just at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this month, and it just covers all

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Speaker 1: the stories, all of the things that they're like, basically

607
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: them fighting for Americans in every way, the fact that

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Speaker 1: they've been doing it for one hundred years, all these things.

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Speaker 1: Go listen to the Southern Poverty Law Centers podcast, Get

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Speaker 1: them some numbers.

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Speaker 2: Share it with friends, get that thing going.

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Speaker 1: Because it sounded great the little like clip and what

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Speaker 1: I heard, I was like so excited that they're starting that.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. Now let's start your store.

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Speaker 3: Goodbye. Now to the story.

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Speaker 1: Here's my writing. When I go in and edit Marin's writing,

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Speaker 1: the story of Emil Aarhart. Story begins in late July

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Speaker 1: of eighteen ninety seven. Okay, she was born in the

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Speaker 1: northeast corner of Kansas in a town called Atchison. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it looks like it's I would guess two hours north

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Speaker 1: of Kansas City. Okay, way up there in the corner,

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Speaker 1: there's the Amelia Earhart dot org website and they have

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Speaker 1: a museum there that I think is built in her house.

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00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh wow, but they have the best tope bags that

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely gonna get.

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Speaker 2: It's weird that just I brought up toebag.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right because I was just looking on the

628
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Speaker 1: website and it's just a painting of the house and

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Speaker 1: that's the toe bag.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we all need those murderinas.

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Speaker 1: Let's be Yeah, let's buy all the merch at the

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Speaker 1: Amelia Earhart nat How.

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Speaker 2: You can spot a marderino in the wild at the

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Speaker 2: farmer's market. Is that she's a fucking always said the effort.

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Speaker 2: She's a random I'm still on page one. I thought it,

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Speaker 2: stop it. I've had too much fucking rose. Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's really focus on what we're supposed to be doing. Okay,

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Speaker 3: so she's.

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Speaker 1: Born in Atchison in July of eighteen ninety. Her father, Edwin,

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Speaker 1: is a lawyer from humble beginnings. Her mom, Amy comes

641
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Speaker 1: from a very prominent local family and a fun fact,

642
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Speaker 1: actually like a badass fact. Amy Earhart was the first

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Speaker 1: woman to hike to the top of Pike's.

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Speaker 3: Peak Wow in Colorado.

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Speaker 1: Cool. So she's from adventuring DNA makes sense, So things

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Speaker 1: aren't always smooth sailing for the Earhart family. Edwin has

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Speaker 1: good in bad years financially. He takes job opportunities wherever

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Speaker 1: they come. We later learned that it's because he's an alcoholic.

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Speaker 1: And that's the way my mom grew up, where it's

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Speaker 1: like he does good for a little while he's a lawyer,

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Speaker 1: and then he blows it and then has to and

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Speaker 1: then goes off the wagon and then has to I

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Speaker 1: can't say that that's exactly what happened in this family,

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Speaker 1: but I'm recognizing it from what my mom told me

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Speaker 1: about when you have like the long term alcoholic that

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Speaker 1: then gets better for a long time and then goes

657
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: back it's awful. So they move around a ton, and

658
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: then when a Amelia isn't moving around with her parents

659
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: and they're just trying to go get him another job.

660
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: She stays for long stretches at her grandparents' home. So

661
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Amelia does have a younger sister named Muriel. They're just

662
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: about two years apart, so they're very, very close, and

663
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: they're not your typical turn of the century girls because

664
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: of course, at the time girls had to wear long skirts.

665
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: But Amelia and Muriel spend their weekends in bloomers because

666
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: it's easier to play in them. I love it, and

667
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: these girls love playing. Amelia is the daring ring leader,

668
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: and she can often be found with her little sister

669
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: climbing over fences, shooting rifles, collecting bugs.

670
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: Doris L.

671
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: Rich, Amelia Earhart's biographer, writes about an incident when Amelia

672
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: is seven years old and Muriel is four and they

673
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: are going sledding. So Amelia is about to head down

674
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: a big snowy hill, so she does something most little

675
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: girls would be conditioned not to do. Instead of sitting

676
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: up on the sled and holding this string like that,

677
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: she lays down on her stomach.

678
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: She pushes off first, face first, just do it, So

679
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: she pushes off.

680
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: She starts racing down the hill, flying down, and then

681
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: she sees here comes a horse drawn carriage that's coming

682
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: directly down her path, across her path, I should say,

683
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: she starts yelling out to the driver because she can't stop.

684
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: So she's yelling, but he can't hear her, he can't

685
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: see her. So up on the top of the hill,

686
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,239
Speaker 1: Mural is watching her sister as she is about to

687
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: crash in so Amelia at the same time is like

688
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm about to die. So instead of panicking, what she

689
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: does is she puts her head down as low as

690
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: she can, and somehow the timing works out perfectly.

691
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: And she just goes right under the wagon.

692
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: Like Christmas Vacation when they go under the fucking semi truck. Yes,

693
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: exactly like that.

694
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: Or like when I was about six years old and

695
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: I was riding my bike in front of my parents

696
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: and their friends, and I went up in the O'Hara's

697
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: big old gravel driveway that was like a quarter of

698
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: a mile alone, and I was coming back down, racing

699
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: back down, and my parents can hear a car that's

700
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: going eighty miles an hour and they watch as I

701
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 1: just go directly in front of the car, like the

702
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: car's going so fast it didn't have time to put

703
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: on the brakes, so I just went like that. And

704
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: as I came into our driveway, my dad just picked

705
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: me up off my bike and slapped me on the

706
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: ass and I ran into the house. They never spanked us,

707
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: and he like, basically they all thought they were going

708
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: to watch me die.

709
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Amelia Earhart style pet cemetery right for real?

710
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So basically she goes under, she comes out unscathed,

711
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: and when she finally comes to a stop, Amelia jumps

712
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: up and smiles and waves at her sister. And years

713
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: later she looks back on this moment and she'll say,

714
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: quote that condemned tomboy method saved my life. Had I

715
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: been sitting up, either my head or the horses ribs

716
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: would have suffered in contact, probably the horses ribs. So

717
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: by Amelia's teenage years, she's attended so many different schools

718
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: that she basically doesn't have any friends at all. In

719
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: one of her yearbooks, this makes Me So sad. There's

720
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: a photo of her and the caption reads, quote AE

721
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: the girl in brown who walks alone. Oh, just like

722
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: cause you have this fuck up dad, right, You're gonna

723
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: have to leave anyway, so you might as well not

724
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: get to know people at home. Amelia's father has developed

725
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: a serious drinking problem. I spoiled that one, but he

726
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: struggles to hold down any job. PBS reports quote Amelia

727
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: adored her father, but he let her down so often.

728
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: She learned early on to be self reliant.

729
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: Yikes.

730
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: So she starts keeping a scrap book with cutouts of

731
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: newspaper and magazine articles about women with successful careers that

732
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: are in traditionally male only fields. It's like she's proving

733
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: to herself that she can find success without relying on

734
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: a man and manifesting that future for herself.

735
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Essentially.

736
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: When she graduates high school, it's the thick of World

737
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: War One. Out of finishing school. They sent her to

738
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: finishing school.

739
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: Finish what, Yeah, finish.

740
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 3: Walking around with the book on your head.

741
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 2: Finish this.

742
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: So she leaves to go.

743
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: Ten to wounded soldiers in Canada, which is so bad us.

744
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: She's like, thanks for the thanks for the manners lessons.

745
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: I've got to actually go do something about you back yourself.

746
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work with the Red Cross. During this time,

747
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: she briefly considers a career in medicine, and then one

748
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: day she goes to a flying exhibition in Toronto and

749
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: she watches a stunt pilot do their tricks in a

750
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: colorful plane, and she's captivated.

751
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 3: She'll later say quote.

752
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: I did not understand at the time, but I believe

753
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: that little red airplane said something to me.

754
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: As it's swished by. It's just such a cool I

755
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: never thought about this.

756
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that my sister has like books that

757
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 1: she's read aloud to her class that's like Amelia Earhart

758
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: that I'm sure she knows all the details. But I've

759
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: never like really thought about that fact of like when

760
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: women are born early and they go through lives with

761
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: like say an adventurers spirit in a time where they're

762
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: like you better put that skirt on and go.

763
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: To finishing school.

764
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Right, It's almost luckier that she had to move around

765
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: a bunch and like an irregular family.

766
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: Like your dad wasn't paying attention and enforcing rules, so

767
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: she could kind of get away with a lot more.

768
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: And it was kind of like, yeah, fuck it, because

769
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: what am I going to do? Go to finishing school

770
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: find a man? And then this happened to me, like

771
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to go do my thing.

772
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: Also, like can we just props to the baby sister

773
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: or the younger sister who's always like she doesn't get

774
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: enough credit, Like the older sister always gets credited like

775
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: she showed her how to do it, But like if

776
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 2: you didn't have someone to show how to do it, yeah,

777
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: I'm clearly giving us.

778
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: It's about it, it's about it.

779
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: But like if you didn't have someone to show off

780
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 2: to ye, then what would you have done?

781
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: You would have never had that adventure, spirit nothing, If

782
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: you didn't have a baby crying and saying I need

783
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom all the time, there would

784
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: be no nothing to fight again.

785
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: So you're welcome, Laura and Lee eily So.

786
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: By nineteen twenty, Milia is twenty three years old. She's

787
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: living back with her parents again. They're now in southern California,

788
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: so they really have moved all over the place. One day,

789
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: her dad takes her to an event at a long

790
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: Beach airfield. Once again, Amelia is transfixed by the stunt pilot,

791
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: so this was like a big thing that was happening

792
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: at the time. She sees they're offering plane rides for

793
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: the low price of five dollars each.

794
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: That's a lot of money.

795
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 3: Worth about today.

796
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: What you're twenty twenty, twenty twenty, sorry, twenty plane old

797
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen twenty, nineteen twenty is what I should have said.

798
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: Yep uh.

799
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: And it's five dollars in nineteen. Oh, that's a lot

800
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: of money. I'm gonna go sixty eighty very close, but

801
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: eighty bucks. That's a fuck ton of money.

802
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 3: She somehow I did it again.

803
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm so bad that it's just it's a fudge. It's

804
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: a fudge worth of money. So she somehow collects up

805
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: and gets that money. A couple days later, she goes

806
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: back to the airfield and she takes a ride for

807
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: the first time in a plane, and she will later say,

808
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: quote as soon as we left the ground, I knew

809
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I had to fly. A little quote within the quote says,

810
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: I think I'd like to fly. I told my family

811
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: casually that evening, knowing full well I'd die if I didn't.

812
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: She's like her dream, that's her passion.

813
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful.

814
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: So a year later, Amelia meets with a young female

815
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: pilot named Netta Snook the best name of all time.

816
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: Ned is an aviation pioneer in her own right, and

817
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: she agrees to teach Amelia how to fly. She's charging

818
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: a dollar a minute, which would be basically sixteen dollars

819
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: a minute in today's money, so it would be like

820
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: paying nine hundred and sixty dollars for an hour's flying.

821
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: So it's very expensive.

822
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, snookies.

823
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: After it, Snookie is like, hey, then go find another

824
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: woman to teach you how to fly a plane.

825
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 3: So to pay for her.

826
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Lessons, Amelia takes on a bunch of odd jobs, including

827
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: hauling gravel for a local trucking company and working as

828
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: a stenographer. Okay, she's like anything I can do. Within

829
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: six months, she manages to buy her own small, bright

830
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: yellow biplane that she names Canary.

831
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: That is so wild.

832
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: M hmm, she's in it.

833
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: I mean I bought a Vespa when I was young

834
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: because I was like, I gotta stop riding on the

835
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: back of douchebags vespas and.

836
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: Get your own.

837
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: I need my own or I'm gonna keep dating assholes.

838
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: So I got my own. Yeah.

839
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: And then did you go see Quadraphenia at the midnight show?

840
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean I was obsessed.

841
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the Vespa kids would come in for Quadrophenia.

842
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my very favorite one.

843
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't get these outfits together, but I'll

844
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: pick you of all this so hot. I'm not picking

845
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: rocky horror, and I'm not picking heavy metal. I'm picking Quadraphenia.

846
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: Helly, Yeah, you are those acid washed jeans.

847
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

848
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: So she gets her pilot's liicense in late nineteen twenty one,

849
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: and she begins flying in derbys and setting all kinds

850
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: of records.

851
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: How old is she?

852
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: So she's twenty three and twenty So she's twenty four, Okay.

853
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: I like the idea that they just start air derbys

854
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: where it's like, can you fly a plane then come

855
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: and do a race?

856
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, hilariou it's so good.

857
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: So she sets all kind of records, like becoming the

858
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: first woman to fly at an altitude of fourteen thousand feet.

859
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: But actually she wasn't trying to break that record. She

860
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: just wanted to.

861
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: See how high the Cadary could go.

862
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: Later, she'll write, quite modestly, quote, although my figure of

863
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand feet was not extraordinary, the performance of my

864
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: engine was interesting. I had gone up much farther than

865
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: some of the higher powered planes, which should have been

866
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: more efficient. So her and the canary are like getting

867
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: in there and vibe.

868
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

869
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: In nineteen twenty four, Amelia's life changes again as her

870
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: father continues to struggle with alcoholism. Her parents get divorced.

871
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: Now she's twenty eight, she and her mom moved from

872
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: California to Massachusetts to move in with Muriel, who's studying

873
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: to be a teacher there in Boston. So Amlie gets

874
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: a job there as a social worker. She gets paid

875
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: sixty dollars a month, which is roughly how much in

876
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: today's money six hundred and ninety one thousand dollars a month.

877
00:40:59,400 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

878
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So she's now supporting herself and her mother on

879
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: this modest income. So basically her expensive hobby of flying

880
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: planes has to be paused. But she does find a

881
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: local flying community and she's a vocal part of it,

882
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: and local newspapers start writing about her fierce advocacy.

883
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 3: For women in aviation amazing, So even though she.

884
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: Can't do it, she's still like, yeah, but we should

885
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: get to do it, yea. The good news is she

886
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: loves her job as a social worker. She works with

887
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: immigrant families and children, mostly from China and Syria, and

888
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: she really feels like she's found her calling. Author Susan

889
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: Butler tells National Geographic quote, if anything, she was obsessed

890
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: with being a social worker. She took it as her

891
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: role in life to act as an agent for social

892
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: change for women.

893
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 3: Wow.

894
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing.

895
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: So I kind of like that, you know.

896
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was pivoting doing what she could when she could,

897
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: and then also making a life doing other stuff that

898
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: was also very important.

899
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: Her moral compass was there no matter what she was doing.

900
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like, I'm gonna do good and make

901
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: change and fight for women.

902
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Very cool.

903
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: So then in nineteen twenty eight, a man named George P.

904
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Putnam reaches out and that changes everything in her life

905
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: once again.

906
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: Putnam is a.

907
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Wildly successful publisher who is behind one of America's more

908
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: notable fascist, Charles Lindberg's smash hit autobiography We of course,

909
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: Lindberg was a huge aviating star, very prominent. You covered

910
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: his baby's kidnapping.

911
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna say you covered that, but okay, it.

912
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: With you in episode one nineteen Fingers Everywhere. Of course

913
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: you remember that episode. So Putnam is now on the

914
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: hunt for his next aviation superstar. He's been given a

915
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: short list of female pilots hoping one of them will

916
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: have that elusive and lucrative IT factor. So he sets

917
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: up a meeting with now thirty one year old Amelia,

918
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,919
Speaker 1: and when he does, she walks in and he can't

919
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: believe it.

920
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: She looks a.

921
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: Lot like Charles Lindberg. Immediately convinced that she's the one,

922
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: so George pitches Amelia the opportunity of a lifetime. He

923
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: wants her to take a transatlantic flight, not as the

924
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: pilot but as a passenger, and like, it's all for

925
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: a publicity yeah, but still the trip would make her

926
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: the first woman to fly across the Atlantic Ocean.

927
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: Can you imagine I.

928
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: Get so nervous when we fly to like on tour

929
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: to Europe and stuff, because you're just like, or to

930
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: Hawaii when you're just like, so we're just gonna be

931
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: like on open ocean for like four or five hours.

932
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, but imagining the first woman who gets to do that,

933
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: and you're gonna know that and it's never going to

934
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: be changed because you're the first woman to do it.

935
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And she's kind of like, look, I

936
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: survived that sled, I'll be fine. Yeah, I'm sure that

937
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: is a part of it, right, She's like, get me

938
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: out there. It'll be good if I do it, Okay,

939
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: So she's all in. Of course she thinks it. Mirin

940
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: wrote it sounds like a blast, but of course she

941
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: also knows there's risks. Writer Anthony Brant notes, quote, it

942
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: was still a very dangerous thing to fly the Atlantic Ocean.

943
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: In the year after Charles Lindberg flew the Atlantic, which

944
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: was nineteen twenty seven, eighteen planes made the attempt, only

945
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: three succeeded.

946
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

947
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: Airplanes were a mere quarter of a century old. The

948
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: North Atlantic is famously stormy. Fog banks are common. Weather

949
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: reports at the time were primitive, and navigation was often haphazard.

950
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: The plane she flew in was made mostly of sheet metal.

951
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: It rattled and roared like an old steam engine like that.

952
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: It was so loud.

953
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cabin door had to be tied shut with

954
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: a small rope.

955
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and the fucking farting. I was gonna

956
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: say meal service.

957
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, because it's a tri motor seaplane, it's a

958
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: little guy with three people in it. Okay, So all

959
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: that in mind. On June seventeenth, nineteen twenty eight, Amelia

960
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: takes off in the seaplane piloted by a man named

961
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: Wilmer Stalt and co piloted by a man named Lewis Gordon.

962
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: But after twenty hours and forty minutes of flight time,

963
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: when they finally land in Wales, it's Amelia who steps

964
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: off the plane and into instant celebrity. Hey, thousands of

965
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: people are there waiting to catch a glimpse of the

966
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: daring AVI eight tricks is what they call her, Amelia Earhart.

967
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 2: Do you think she slept a moment of that twenty

968
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: hours in forty minutes.

969
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: Probably well, no, probably not, because she was probably thrilled

970
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: out of her mind, scared shitless.

971
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

972
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: And it was super loud, yeah, and cold, yeah, and windy,

973
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: And there's no Barkhart. She just says a little flask

974
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: that she's sipping out of from a straw. So newspapers

975
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: run countless glowing features and newsreels declaring her the quote

976
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: Lady Lindbergh. It's the exact type of publicity George has

977
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: worked so hard for. Because now he wants Amelia to

978
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: write a memoir that he can then turn into the bestseller.

979
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 1: So this is my experience doing it, got it? George

980
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: urges her to quit her job back in Boston, move

981
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: into his New York home, and crank out this book.

982
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: That's exactly how Lindbergh did it, so he wants her

983
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: to do it the same way. Amelia knows that if

984
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: she does that, she can parlay all the attention into

985
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: some real money, which then she can use to support

986
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: her family and pay for her expensive flying lessons.

987
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: She's the original aviator influencer.

988
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: Yes, hashtag for sure. And also you see these let

989
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: me show you some of these early pictures. She's a

990
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: gorgeous young woman. She has freckles in her bob hair

991
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: or whatever.

992
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: But she's like, oh, she's the cutest.

993
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: She truly has that face card yeah, that they're all

994
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: looking for. And on top of all that, it's going

995
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: to give her a platform to share the message she's

996
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: carried within her since childhood, which is that women can

997
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: do anything.

998
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: Men can do awesome.

999
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: In the twenties, when no one was trying to say shit,

1000
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: they were like, I'm going to smoke a cigarette, jazz

1001
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: cigarette yez. So Amelia up ends her entire life in

1002
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: Boston and starts writing a book that will eventually be

1003
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: titled quote twenty hours forty minutes in it. There's a

1004
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: section titled women in Aviation, and in that Amelia writes, quote,

1005
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: while this chapter is called women in Aviation, just as

1006
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: appropriate a title might have been women outside of Aviation.

1007
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: There should be no line between men and women so

1008
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: far as piloting is concerned.

1009
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: Got it like a female pilot? Nope, just a pilot,

1010
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 2: Just a pilot, Yeah, yep.

1011
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: Amelia's sister Muriel will later say that Amelia was embarrassed

1012
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: that her claim to fame was being a passenger on

1013
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: that transatlantic flight, which seems backed up by Amelia's own words.

1014
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: She was quoted as saying, the boys did all the flying.

1015
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is embarrassing. Yeah for her, who is a pilot.

1016
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, get your own vespa, get.

1017
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: Your She also describes herself on that flight as quote

1018
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: just baggage, like a sack of potatoes.

1019
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: Oh god, that had a sting.

1020
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's She's the kind of person that's like,

1021
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to applaud for me this much, just

1022
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: wait until you write and fly right, this is nothing.

1023
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1024
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: She also teases her dream of the future by saying, quote,

1025
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: maybe someday I'll try it alone. So now it's nineteen

1026
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: thirty two. Amelia is in her mid thirties and America's

1027
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: in the throes of the Great Depression. But Amelia has

1028
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: done extremely well for herself over the past few years.

1029
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: She's gotten paid endorsements from brands like Lucky Strike, and

1030
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: she's become the aviation editor of Cosmopolitan magazine.

1031
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: That's made up. Yeah, that is what I love it.

1032
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: But that's how much of a trend flying once at

1033
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,479
Speaker 1: the time, which is great.

1034
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: You got to get those sponsorships, man, that's right me

1035
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: and podcasting understand.

1036
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: You're truly right about her being the original plane influencer.

1037
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: So at that point, she'd made enough money to buy

1038
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: herself a brand new plane, which is the now iconic

1039
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: fire engine red Lockheed Vega. Amelia is also still devoted

1040
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: to empowering women.

1041
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: She is the.

1042
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: Founding member and the first president of a group called

1043
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: the ninety nines, which is the first ever organization for

1044
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: women in aviation. The ninety nine refers to the number

1045
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: of the group's charter.

1046
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: Members amazing so good. Yeah, what if it was like

1047
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: twenty three The twenty threes doesn't sound the same. The

1048
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: ninety nine is fucking.

1049
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 3: Almost a hundred.

1050
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: On a more personal level. Amelia's father, Edwin, has passed

1051
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: away of cancer, and George Putnam, her publisher, has divorced

1052
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: his wife. He professes his love for her and proposes.

1053
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: I wish I could have seen that.

1054
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: She says no.

1055
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: He asks again, and he ends up proposing to her

1056
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: six different times.

1057
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: Wow.

1058
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: Wow, love him, love her, Love it.

1059
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: Amelia has been skeptical of marriage all her life for

1060
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: very good reason. Yeah, but she genuinely cares for George,

1061
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: so she eventually accepts, but she has her conditions. She

1062
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 1: tells him she's going to keep her own name, which

1063
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: at that time was unheard of.

1064
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: I'm just that's incredible, Yes, someone who kept her own name.

1065
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: I want to thank her for fucking blazing the way.

1066
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: She blazed it.

1067
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 1: And then on her wedding day, she won't wear a

1068
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: traditional bridal gown.

1069
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: She wears a brown suit. What just like fisk.

1070
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: She's like, let me just go to work today.

1071
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: She's like, here's the thing. I'm not wearing your stupid

1072
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: fucking dress. And she also, the morning of their wedding,

1073
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: writes him a letter which I really love that says, quote,

1074
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: I may have to keep someplace where I can go

1075
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: to be by myself now, and then I cannot guarantee

1076
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: to endure at all times the confinement of even an

1077
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 1: attractive cage.

1078
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Like she loved that about her, then

1079
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 2: you know that's like why he loved her is like,

1080
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: that's so incredible.

1081
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: I think. So, this is my opinion.

1082
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: When you are raised feral, it's hard to even want

1083
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: to have anything traditional, even when the pressure to do

1084
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: it is so oppressive, because it's like it was literally

1085
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: she had the kind of household where it's like, go

1086
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: outside and play for eighteen hours because everything is so

1087
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: fucked in here. And so then it's like, yeah, I

1088
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: don't want to go back. I tie myself back to

1089
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: this that structure that I can't trust. If I couldn't

1090
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: trust my own father, how can I trust you completely?

1091
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: I don't if with that.

1092
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 1: And George Putnam's like, I get it. I'll just keep

1093
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: asking you.

1094
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1095
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: But also, a brown suit on your wedding day is

1096
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: just like badass to a degree where she's like that

1097
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: isn't just like I'm not gonna be traditional, She's like

1098
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: fuck yeh, finishing school professor.

1099
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, apologies to anyone who thought they were actually going

1100
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: to play this for their children in the backseat of

1101
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: the car, like it was never going to happen.

1102
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: We were lying to you, but more importantly, we were

1103
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: lying directly to your.

1104
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: Children, and you were lying to yourself.

1105
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: Thought we screamed fuck you.

1106
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1107
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: So, around the same year she gets married, which is

1108
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty two, she publishes her second book, that one's called.

1109
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 3: The Fun of It Kio, I Love that one, Kiki.

1110
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: She also announces with that that she's going to fly

1111
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: across the Atlantic again, but this time as a pilot,

1112
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 1: and this time by herself. At the time, no one,

1113
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: no man or woman, aside from Charles Lundbird back in

1114
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty seven, had ever completed a solo, NonStop transatlantic flight,

1115
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: although ten pilots had died trying.

1116
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: No. Yeah, don't like those odds.

1117
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 3: So she's like, uh uh a ten male pilot step away, Yes, exactly.

1118
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: So immediately Amelia's inner circle, including her husband George Putnam,

1119
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 1: start wondering if she's experienced enough to pull off this stunt.

1120
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: Her own mechanic gives her quote a one in one

1121
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: hundred chance of surviving.

1122
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: Cool dude, way to fucking be supportive.

1123
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: Reminds me of Then the fucking Eagles were like, we

1124
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: don't want to tour with Linda Ronstadt. We're going to

1125
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: start her own band.

1126
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: Like, fuck you go ahead, see how it fucking goes.

1127
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: Good luck, she's selling out fucking stadiums. Anyway, God, that documentary.

1128
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: I loved it so much, but it filled me with

1129
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: a fury that will never go.

1130
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: That was the point.

1131
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wasn't good enough.

1132
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: You need it, you need that theory.

1133
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the idea of making a transatlantic flight alone

1134
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: makes Amelia Earhart feel alive.

1135
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: Oh I was gonna be like, take a beta blocker

1136
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 2: your notes.

1137
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: She's like, I can't this day to day bullshit isn't

1138
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: good enough. I need to get up and over there.

1139
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 2: What did she do to hype herself up before? Because

1140
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: before I came in here to record, I put on

1141
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 2: yes and by our Grande, Like just to record a

1142
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: podcast that I've done for fucking nine years. I still

1143
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: need that, Like I a little too. Secrets being revealed? Yeah, okay, go,

1144
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: well here's I can tell you.

1145
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: She writes a poem that says, quote, courage is the

1146
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: price that life extracts for granting peace.

1147
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 3: Think about it. I can't you gotta pay.

1148
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: You must so on a warm May morning, I added

1149
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: in warm, I don't know why.

1150
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: On a May morning.

1151
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty two, Amelia takes off from Canada's East

1152
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: coast in her Lockheed Vega. From the start, it's an exhausting,

1153
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: difficult journey. Author Doris L. Rich writes, quote, she was

1154
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: four hours out when she ran into a storm. She

1155
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: would go high and the plane would ice, then she'd

1156
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: go down until she could see the waves to get

1157
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: the ice off.

1158
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: Oh fuck.

1159
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: She had no radio contact with anyone. The manifold on

1160
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: her engine broke and the flames from the backfire from

1161
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: it were coming out. There was a gas cage over

1162
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: her head that began to leak, and the gasoline was

1163
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: dripping down over her forehead and into one eye.

1164
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 2: And just crash the whole thing into the sea. Yeah,

1165
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: it's what I would do.

1166
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 3: I mean.

1167
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: Well, after fifteen grueling hours of flight time, Amelia Earhart

1168
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: lands her plane safely in Northern Ireland. Amazing, and this

1169
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: solo flight launches her to all new levels of worldwide stardom.

1170
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: She's mobbed by fans in London and Paris, and when

1171
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: she comes back to the United States, her success is

1172
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 1: felt as a much needed moment of national joy because

1173
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: it's still a great depression. She even gets her own

1174
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: ticker tape parade in New York City. Influencerr I've you

1175
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: ever seen ticker tape parade footage? It looks so messy,

1176
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: it looks so awesome, Like if you're down there and

1177
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: everyone's just thrown shit out the window, and like it's

1178
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: just such a true moment of glory.

1179
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody got to focus on that.

1180
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: I have to clean it up?

1181
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, true?

1182
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: Why do I think that way? Go on?

1183
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 3: Some people like cleaning.

1184
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So a few months later, she then becomes the

1185
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: first woman to fly across North America and back. Amelia

1186
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: is now a global icon through and through. I also

1187
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: wonder how much of that is, like I'm proving I'm

1188
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: not a passenger over and over again.

1189
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: Sure that's like the best way to get yourself to

1190
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: do something for me. It's like, oh, you don't think

1191
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 2: I can't do that? Yeah, I think I'm a passenger.

1192
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,959
Speaker 1: Or to myself of like, oh, you're really ashamed because

1193
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: you had that one comedy set that was terrible that

1194
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: you're remembering from seven years ago, but then got.

1195
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: There be the best. I think shame work.

1196
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: Shame is a great motivator, but being your career aviator,

1197
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: even when you're a famous one, takes a ton of money.

1198
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: So Amelia hits the lecture circuit. She goes on tour

1199
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: making exhausting back to back town by town appearances. Tell

1200
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 1: me about It, Ted Talks, O G Ted Talks. She's

1201
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: got like the head bike, but it's not next to

1202
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: anything for no thirty like what's that thing by her mouth? Sometimes?

1203
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: She earned twenty four hundred dollars in a single week

1204
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: in Day's Money nineteen thirty to how much would twenty

1205
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars a week be?

1206
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 2: Seventy six thousand, fifty five thousand, but still in the

1207
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: area fifty five thousand dollars a week sane, that's insane.

1208
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: She started the first podcast.

1209
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's also using her platform to campaign for women's empowerment,

1210
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: not only in aviation, but she's trying to get the

1211
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: Equal Rights Amendment passed.

1212
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 2: Like don't rest I love it.

1213
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: She's invited to the White House in nineteen thirty three.

1214
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: She becomes tight with the Roosevelts. Brag brag, brag, Oh

1215
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: fucking cool, not so fun. Fact about the Equal Rights Amendment.

1216
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: Though advocates have been fighting to ratify the Equal Rights

1217
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: Amendment since the twenties, even though it's already met the

1218
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 1: required number of state ratifications, for some reason, it still

1219
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: has not been added to the US Constitution.

1220
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: Imagine being invited to the White House and wanting to go,

1221
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: and being proud to go. Yeah, can you like the Roosevelts? Fuck, yeah,

1222
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: I'd go. Imagine it's just such.

1223
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: The end of an era. Yeah, but it's an end

1224
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: of an era. And what I'm talking about is democracy.

1225
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: Fucking Jesus.

1226
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: Oh right, God, Okay.

1227
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty three is a big year for Amilia also

1228
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: because she breaks her own speed record on a second

1229
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: flight across North America. She's just getting it done. By

1230
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty five, thirty eight year old Amelia has set

1231
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: records for solo flights from like Honolulu to Oakland, California,

1232
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: or LA to Mexico City.

1233
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: That's just a couple of them.

1234
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: I've done those, rights and solo.

1235
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: You mean you just weren't talking events.

1236
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: She's also campaigning for FDR, and she launches her own

1237
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: fashion line called Amelia Fashion Brown Suits called brown Suits Only.

1238
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 2: She explains if you could find one of those in

1239
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 2: the bin too, and you're like doing shopping and then

1240
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: something to see fucking Amelia Earhart fashion.

1241
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: By Amelia dude.

1242
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: So the theory was that all flight clothing, of course,

1243
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: had been made for men up to that point. So

1244
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: when you had your nice jotipers or your weird white

1245
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: shirt or whatever, leather jacket, yeah, like coursewritings. Yeah, So

1246
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: the idea was they were supposed to be And of

1247
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: course she always preferred pants anyway. So I looked up

1248
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: on Amelia Earhart dot org and they had pictures from

1249
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: the newspaper of the ad of it in it said

1250
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: sports clothes designed by Amelia Earhart. But then every single

1251
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: picture in that ad was models wearing dresses. There was

1252
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: not one pair of pants, which I was.

1253
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: Like, she never got to say in that she sold

1254
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: her name.

1255
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 3: That's true.

1256
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: As busy as she is, Amelia still gets the itch

1257
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: to make another big flight, so she writes to her

1258
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: friends saying, quote, I have the feeling there's just one

1259
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: more good flight left in my system, and I hope

1260
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: this is it. It is my swan song as far

1261
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: as record flying is concerned. My frosting on the.

1262
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: Cake God rest on your beautiful laurels.

1263
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes, guys, sorry, I can't joined adult children of alcoholics.

1264
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 3: So I'm going to go ahead and keep on flying across.

1265
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 2: It's a nice little nap on them.

1266
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 3: Laurels can't do it.

1267
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: So the next year, nineteen thirty six, Amelia announces her

1268
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: plan to fly around the world. If successful, she'll be

1269
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: the first woman to ever do it. Obviously, she and

1270
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: George fundraise for a brand new plane that's built specifically

1271
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: for this journey. They pay for it too, but it's

1272
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: so expensive. It's eighty thousand dollars, so they need to

1273
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: fundraise eighty thousand dollars back then is about how much

1274
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: in today's money.

1275
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: Three hundred and fifty thousand, one point eight million.

1276
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, I've learned nothing.

1277
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: Your scale just not like that A little bit know

1278
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 3: what's happening. So she calls this.

1279
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: Plane her flying laboratory because it's outfitted with all the

1280
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: latest technology, but she never learns to use much of it.

1281
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: Doris l Rich writes, quote, Amelia did not lie radio communication.

1282
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: There's absolutely no doubt about it. That's like me and emails.

1283
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: It's so bad, Yeah, for business. She not only didn't

1284
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: bother to learn it. She didn't really find it necessary.

1285
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: There's a hint here of the ego that all great

1286
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: explorers and adventurers have. They have a certain faith that

1287
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: they're going to make it.

1288
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: I whan you spend one point something on a fucking plane,

1289
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 2: you hope it like flies itself just a little bit.

1290
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would hope there's an automated aspect to it.

1291
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: Something.

1292
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: Amelia wants to do the trip by herself, but it's

1293
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: eventually decided she will need a team, being that she

1294
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,479
Speaker 1: doesn't like radio communication at all, so she hires three men,

1295
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: a technical advisor named Paul Mantz, a marine navigator with

1296
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 1: radio operation experience named Harry Manning, and a former pan

1297
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: m navigator named Fred Noonan. So on March seventeenth, nineteen

1298
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: thirty seven, they take off from Oaklean, California. They land

1299
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: in Honolulu. Then on March twentieth, they take off for

1300
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: the second leg of this trip, but something goes wrong.

1301
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: The plane skids off course at the end of the

1302
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: runway and it crashes. It's a big enough accident that

1303
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: the plane has to be sent in for extensive repairs.

1304
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: So this is a deeply stressful moment. For Amelia, she's

1305
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: basically gambled everything on this extraordinarily expensive flight during a

1306
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: national financial crisis. Y.

1307
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Doris l Rich writes.

1308
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: Quote, after she cracked up the plane in Honolulu, she

1309
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: felt fear for the first time. The immensity of this

1310
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: project suddenly hit her. She knew that if she lost

1311
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 1: that plane or failed in this, she and George were

1312
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: dead broke both of them.

1313
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 3: End quote.

1314
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: You can tell Doris el Rich is writing from like

1315
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: it's probably nineteen forty five or something.

1316
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the vibe.

1317
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: I gat this is gonna happen.

1318
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 3: Dead broke both of them.

1319
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: So the crash in Honolulu also rattles Amelia's loved ones.

1320
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: According to Babs, friends urge her to abandon this mission.

1321
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: They also express concern over her exhausted and anxious mental state.

1322
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it seems like she's kind.

1323
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,479
Speaker 1: Of pushing it anyway, even though she's scared or she's

1324
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: worried totally. This includes her husband George, who writes her

1325
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: a letter promising that they'll figure things out should she

1326
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: abandon the flight.

1327
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's time.

1328
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 3: It's okay, but Amelia won't give in.

1329
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: Give in and regroup a little bit and then come

1330
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 2: back stronger than ever.

1331
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 3: I feel like this is that kind of thing.

1332
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: You know, there are people who are like, if you're

1333
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: a serious workoholic, you just can't consider taking a nap

1334
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: during the day.

1335
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 2: That thing of like rest is for the week. And

1336
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: it's like, actually, it's a beautiful thing to give to yourself,

1337
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:33,479
Speaker 2: and it's okay, it.

1338
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 1: Is okay, But sometimes you just can't because if you rest,

1339
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: that means like your momentum will slow, even if it's

1340
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 1: just your mental momentum. And clearly she's still on that sled,

1341
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: still going under that horse drawn carriage.

1342
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then it won't go away. You can still

1343
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 2: come back after it and like you're gonna be more

1344
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: clear headed and you're gonna be older and smarter and like,

1345
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: give yourself a fucking break. Sometimes no, And that shows

1346
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 2: why Karen's CEO and I don't have a fucking office

1347
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: at exactly right Media.

1348
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 3: It's not good. It's not it is not good.

1349
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: And she has two podcasts.

1350
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm having to start a third, and it's called

1351
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 1: It's Fine to do this to yourself.

1352
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: It's fine.

1353
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: It's fine. That actually would be funny.

1354
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: It's Fine.

1355
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 3: A podcast called It's Fine and you just have people

1356
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 3: come on and talk about shit that is so not okay,

1357
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 3: It's fine.

1358
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: It was fine.

1359
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 3: I was fine, fine, No, I liked it. It was fine.

1360
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: By the time the plane is repaired, Amelia's team has shrunk.

1361
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: The technical advisor, Paul and Harry, the marine navigator, the

1362
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: only guy with radio experience, both back out.

1363
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: They were like later days, They're like, read the fates. Yeah,

1364
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 2: then go take a nap.

1365
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 3: Yeahs naptime.

1366
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: Mercury is in retrograde.

1367
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: So now it's Amelia and Fred Noonan. Thanks to changing

1368
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: weather patterns, they're forced to come up with a whole

1369
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: new flight plan, so instead of leaving from Hawaii, they're

1370
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 1: now taking off from Miami, Florida, and on June first,

1371
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven, they do just that, this time without

1372
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: a hitch.

1373
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: And then they.

1374
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: Start on this forty day, twenty thousand mile trip, making

1375
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: several stops to refuel along the way.

1376
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 3: They soar over.

1377
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: Africa, through the Middle East, over Southeast Asia, onto New Guinea.

1378
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: They have another stop before a very long stretch over

1379
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean.

1380
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 2: Are the first people who have ever seen this from

1381
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 2: the fucking air? Like, how so wild? But believable.

1382
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: On July second, nineteen thirty seven, Amelia and Fred take

1383
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: off from New Guinea. At this point they've completed nearly

1384
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: three quarters of this journey, and the goal is to

1385
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: now get to a tiny sliver of land called Howland Island,

1386
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: roughly halfway between Australia and Hawaii, truly out in the

1387
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: middle of the Pacific, and it's only about a mile

1388
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: and a half long island and a half a mile wide.

1389
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: That's a hard target, that's a little tiny one.

1390
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: Tragically, Amelia and Fred struggle to find island. We know

1391
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: they arrive in the general area because Amelia starts radioing

1392
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: the Coastguard, who have a ship called Itasca nearby, and

1393
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: they're receiving her messages. Some of these transmissions are so

1394
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: crystal clear that the men on the Atasca rush to

1395
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: the decks thinking that the plane will be overhead. In

1396
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: one of her transmissions, Amelia says that she thinks she's

1397
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: close by, but she's lost and she only has about

1398
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: half an hour of fuel left. But because she doesn't

1399
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: know much about radio transmission, she's sending these messages while

1400
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: on an improper frequency on the radio. So the Coastguard

1401
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: is only able to respond to her with Morse code,

1402
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: which neither she nor Fred understand.

1403
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: That's an important one, a lot of crucial legata elements.

1404
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 3: Let's not criticize Amil or not.

1405
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: You know where the story goes from here. The messages

1406
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: stopped coming in thirty nine year old Amelia Earhart and

1407
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: forty four year old Fred Noonan and the plane that

1408
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: they're flying in together disappear almost immediately. FDR dispatches a

1409
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: huge crew to go look for them. It's made up

1410
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: of ten ships and sixty five planes, and that causes

1411
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: a lot of controversy because it costs millions of dollars.

1412
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: It's still the depression. So after two weeks of combing

1413
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: a vast swath of the Pacific Ocean near Howlen Island

1414
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: with no results, this search is called off. But George

1415
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: Putnam has his own search going.

1416
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 2: I forget that, Yeah, okay.

1417
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: He funds an independent search himself and it goes until

1418
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: October of nineteen thirty seven. Oh my god, so he

1419
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: just kind of never stops searching for her. That also

1420
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: turns up nothing. In January of nineteen thirty nine, two

1421
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: years after vanishing, Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan are legally

1422
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: declared dead.

1423
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: They turn up nothing, not a scrap, So they were

1424
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: like looking in the wrong area.

1425
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: Well, okay, we'll talk about that one second. They're countless.

1426
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: Theories of what happened during those final moments of Amelia's

1427
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: last flight all have devoted supporters, as they usually do,

1428
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: because of the disappearance happened in the lead up to

1429
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: World War Two. Some people think that Amelia and Fred

1430
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: were captured by the Japanese military after crash landing on

1431
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: a Japanese controlled island, and they were either executed for

1432
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: being American spies or they were turned into spies for

1433
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: Japan and sent back to the US with new identities.

1434
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: That one's a little.

1435
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 3: While, but what if now we write that movie.

1436
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: Another theory is that Amelia wound up on an island

1437
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: called Nika Mororo sorry for that pronunciation, A four hundred

1438
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: miles south of Howland Island.

1439
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: Is this where they found her compact?

1440
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 3: All done?

1441
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: Wait?

1442
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: They think they might have lived as castaways there before

1443
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: dying of thirst or starvation. Some people believe this theory

1444
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: then take it one step further, suggesting that massive coconut

1445
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: crabs could have consumed their remains and scattered their bones,

1446
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: making their bodies harder to find.

1447
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 2: Okay, those fuckers are big.

1448
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a creepy idea. The island had

1449
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: been inhabited in the past, but it was uninhabited at

1450
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: the time of this flight. Despite this, intermittent radio signals

1451
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: were reported from that general area around the time they disappeared,

1452
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: as if the plane's radio had remained intact and accessible

1453
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: and they were calling for help. On top of that,

1454
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty bones are found on Naka Morero. They

1455
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: have since been lost, so the DNA has never been tested.

1456
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, but again, that island had been inhabited,

1457
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: so they weren't necessarily their's. Searchers has found on that

1458
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 1: island a single shoe, a piece of aluminum, and a

1459
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: jar of freckle cream.

1460
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 2: Freckle cream, which.

1461
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 1: Certainly points to a person and maybe a woman having

1462
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: been there. And for what it's worth, Amelia Earhart had

1463
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: freckles that she was reportedly very self conscious about.

1464
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 2: Oh, first of all, it breaks my heart that she

1465
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: is so self conscious that she brings freckle cream on

1466
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 2: this like adventure. But then I'm like, I wonder if

1467
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: that was like bare spf at the time where it's

1468
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 2: like you had to cover your freckles with this cream

1469
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: and maybe it.

1470
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 3: Would be worse.

1471
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was maybe like two for one where she's like,

1472
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: I need moisture because this Womd's gonna whip around my face.

1473
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 2: Sunscreen. It's an early sunscreen. Okay, yeah, I mean yeah,

1474
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: it's her. It's theirs.

1475
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: Since you imagined you're just on this island, it's mostly

1476
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: coconut crabs, and then you're just like bones bones cold cream.

1477
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: What if the cold cream was like a sponsor of

1478
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: the flight. I think since she had to bring in.

1479
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,480
Speaker 1: It, it was a sponsor of this podcast.

1480
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: Freckle cream.

1481
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: Freckle creamer clem Amelia Earhart uses it and you can too, No,

1482
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: because now they love freckles so much that they have

1483
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: little freckle stamps.

1484
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: And they have tattoos of freckles on your fucking face.

1485
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: The kids these days, they were their big butts and

1486
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: they're freckles and their attitudes.

1487
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: Okay.

1488
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: These items are never confirmed as belonging to either Fred

1489
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,520
Speaker 1: or Amelia, and modern day efforts to search the surrounding

1490
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 1: ocean near that island have turned up nothing. Of course,

1491
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: many people think Amelia's plane simply ran out of fuel

1492
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: and crashed into the open ocean. Because of the sheer

1493
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: size and depth of the Pacific, it hasn't been found.

1494
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: Amelia's sister Muriel thinks this is what happened.

1495
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: Quote.

1496
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: I'm not happy with some of the dramas about Amelia

1497
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: where they went into fiction. So essentially, of course, that's

1498
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 1: how it always is, where it's like actually simple theorizing.

1499
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: Right.

1500
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,879
Speaker 1: The hard truth, which presumably was much harder for Muriel,

1501
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: Amelia's mother, Amy, and her husband George, is that we

1502
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: simply do not know what happened to her. George Putnam

1503
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: died in nineteen fifty at age sixty two of kidney problems. Amy,

1504
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: Amelia's mother, died in nineteen sixty two at age ninety five,

1505
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: and her sister Muriel passed away in nineteen ninety eight

1506
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: at the age of ninety eight. Wow searchers continued to

1507
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: hunt for any signs of Amelia Earhart or her plane.

1508
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: As recently as twenty twenty three, a deep sea exploration

1509
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 1: group released an underwater sonar image of what they thought

1510
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 1: was the plane, but in twenty twenty four they discovered

1511
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: it was just a bunch of rocks. Oh no, uh huh,

1512
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 1: plane shaped rocks.

1513
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 3: All that in mind.

1514
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: Instead of focusing on the mysterious ending of Amelia's story,

1515
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: we can always relish in what we do know about

1516
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: her life and her bold approach to living it. As

1517
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,919
Speaker 1: writer Anthony Brandt has said, quote, it wasn't that Amelia

1518
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: was wilful, rather that she was free. She was calm, fearless,

1519
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 1: cheerful in the face of life, and she attracted everybody.

1520
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: She believed that women should live lives rich in experience,

1521
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: and have careers.

1522
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 2: If they possibly could, and.

1523
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: Imagine, and she lived her belief. She was a remarkable

1524
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: human being, a historic figure, one of those people who,

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: skirting the farthermost edges of experience, open up possibilities.

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Speaker 3: For us all.

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Speaker 1: And that is the story of pioneering aviatrix Amelia Earhart Boom.

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Speaker 3: High five for Amelia Earhart.

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Speaker 2: Good job you wow had to be done.

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01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,799
Speaker 3: If you're in the fifth grade and you heard anything

1531
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 3: I said that was wrong, please write in at my

1532
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: favorite murder at gmail dot com because we know you

1533
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 3: all to have done reports on her.

1534
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're open to corrections always.

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Speaker 3: Women should live free.

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Speaker 2: It's insane can you imagine?

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Speaker 3: But it really is the truth.

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Speaker 2: It is. That was its own horay. I feel like

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Speaker 2: I do too. Yeah that was pretty great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty great.

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01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,759
Speaker 2: And they still send us horahs in comment them. But please,

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Speaker 2: that was it. Yes, this week, we've done all the

1543
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 2: work we need to do. I agree.

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01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 3: Great, Then stay sexy and don't get murdered.

1545
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 2: Gooby Elvis, do you want a cookie?

1546
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production.

1547
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Speaker 2: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 2: is Tessa Hughes.

1549
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 3: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

1550
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed by Leona Squillacci.

1551
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,759
Speaker 3: Our researchers are Mayor McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

1552
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail.

1553
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: Dot com and follow the show on Instagram at my

1554
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Speaker 1: Favorite Murder.

1555
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Speaker 2: Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

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Speaker 1: Podcasts, or you can watch us on YouTube. Search for

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Speaker 1: My Favorite Murder, then like and subscribe.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye,