Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? We are here at Are You a
Speaker 1: Charlotte with the fantastic guests Mario kntone and we are
Speaker 1: going to rewatch episode one oh nine. It's called The
Speaker 1: Turtle and the Hair and it is directed by Michael Fields.
Speaker 1: This is the second episode directed by mister Fields, who
Speaker 1: unfortunately I have.
Speaker 2: No memory of. I'm very sorry, mister Fields. And it
Speaker 2: is written by Nicole Averrel and Sue Klensky.
Speaker 3: Oh, I did stand up comedy. We know both of
Speaker 3: them who I think I've met.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we worked together many times with while Michael was
Speaker 4: at the club at.
Speaker 3: The Okay, so there's a connection.
Speaker 2: This is the season when our writers weren't really with
Speaker 2: us necessarily. They were they had written in La. Darren
Speaker 2: had had a writer's room in La and scripts would
Speaker 2: come and we wouldn't necessarily meet them, unlike every other year.
Speaker 2: Right and Jenny.
Speaker 3: At this point we.
Speaker 2: Rewatched last episode one eight with Jenny. That was her
Speaker 2: first Jenny Biggs, that was her first episode. And she
Speaker 2: reminded me that she had been a consultant, she'd been
Speaker 2: brought on, she'd been uh, that was her episode to right,
Speaker 2: and then she was a consultant, so it was her,
Speaker 2: Darren and Michael in a room, which is kind of
Speaker 2: amazing to think about it. And I hadn't really remembered
Speaker 2: that she had been around the first season, which is
Speaker 2: kind of a.
Speaker 3: Jenny after Sex and the City put me on two
Speaker 3: seasons of men in trees.
Speaker 5: No way, come on.
Speaker 6: Yeh.
Speaker 3: She was great.
Speaker 2: She's the best. Okay, So this is a very interesting episode.
Speaker 2: Saw all the episodes in the first season, right, so
Speaker 2: as you know, all of us are in it, and
Speaker 2: then we have we start at this crazy wedding.
Speaker 3: Didn't it look like it was the eighties? Yeah? Well yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean because it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't the eighties, but I mean the colors in the
Speaker 2: room and the and also we had no money. Like
Speaker 2: at one point, Samantha goes to a restaurants just supposedly
Speaker 2: the talk of the town, and I'm like, what what.
Speaker 3: Is that restaurant?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the bar, and yeah, it's like the saddest
Speaker 2: talk of the town restaurant I've ever seen. But we
Speaker 2: had no money in the beginning compared to you know,
Speaker 2: later and now especially but you know, luckily now we
Speaker 2: have people asking us to film at the super cool
Speaker 2: restaurant because we're still recovering, you know, the restaurant business.
Speaker 3: But back in the day not so much.
Speaker 2: No one knew who we were or what we were doing.
Speaker 2: So we begin at this wedding where a character named
Speaker 2: Brooke not played by myself.
Speaker 3: A little bit confusing because I have previously.
Speaker 2: Played a character named Brook for Darren, but Noah is
Speaker 2: not me. She's getting married, but Carrie thinks that she's
Speaker 2: getting married to someone who she doesn't really love, and
Speaker 2: this begins the thematic conversation of is everyone in New
Speaker 2: York settling in their relationships? Which is a really good
Speaker 2: conversation to have and a very very important, I.
Speaker 3: Think conversation to say.
Speaker 2: In my mind, obviously I'm single, but in my mind,
Speaker 2: you should never settle, like I do not think that
Speaker 2: you should settle. You know, people are not yes, and
Speaker 2: I love There's this one moment. I'm just gonna talk
Speaker 2: to you about it now. I sometimes go out of order.
Speaker 2: There's this one moment where Carrie goes out with the
Speaker 2: bride after the wedding to return some wedding gifts, and
Speaker 2: she's still trying to figure out like, is she happy?
Speaker 3: Is she not happy?
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Is she pleased with her decision or not?
Speaker 2: If she doesn't really love the guy, which doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like she's passionately in love. And she says something like
Speaker 2: what does it feel like to be married? And the
Speaker 2: broke character says, it feels like.
Speaker 3: A weight has been lifted? And I felt that.
Speaker 2: I felt that, And isn't that crazy that I would
Speaker 2: still feel that today in twenty twenty five, And I
Speaker 2: know that things have changed about this, but like, we
Speaker 2: are so socialized that you have to be paired up in.
Speaker 3: Whatever way that is.
Speaker 2: It might be married, it might not be married, whatever
Speaker 2: it is, it is a social situation where people want
Speaker 2: an explanation if you are not paired.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, and it is stressful.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it is.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it is right, especially for I think, well
Speaker 4: back in my day, especially for straight people.
Speaker 3: He were gay, they were like whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, But then gay marriage became acceptable. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: do you feel that pressure now you've been married for
Speaker 2: a long time, do you feel like that pressure?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: I never felt that pressure because I just I'm a coupler.
Speaker 4: It definitely was always a coupler. I wanted to be
Speaker 4: with somebody, right, Yeah, But when I met Jerry, it
Speaker 4: was you know, nineteen ninety I met him and I
Speaker 4: was with someone else at the time, and then we
Speaker 4: were friends for a year and half and then I
Speaker 4: went when I broke up with my ex site we
Speaker 4: started to get together like six months later. It just
Speaker 4: accelerated into that. But it's yeah, I mean I didn't settle.
Speaker 3: I knew.
Speaker 2: Go on, Oh he's awesome. He didn't settle at all.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, so wait, this is okay. So first
Speaker 2: of all, let me talk about how we look at
Speaker 2: the wedding, because what's going on with all of our hairs.
Speaker 4: My hair, it's so you but in that corner with
Speaker 4: all the weekends insane, it is ads right, it is as.
Speaker 3: I've never seen that. What were we thinking? And you
Speaker 3: looked all kind of like like there was a slight like.
Speaker 2: Punk thing, and we talk about like that were and
Speaker 2: then they when they cut towards at the kids table o,
Speaker 2: My god, I almost fell out.
Speaker 3: Because this still happens to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's rough to go to a wedding at
Speaker 2: this point because I'm like, if I have to sit
Speaker 2: with those children. Oh, I don't know what I'm going
Speaker 2: to do. I don't know what I'm to do. I
Speaker 2: don't really don't want to do that, but you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes people do get married, and I do feel like
Speaker 2: I should go, So we'll see. But when coming up,
Speaker 2: I'm sure she's not. I mean, if I'm sitting with
Speaker 2: my own kids, it's.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, sure. Don't you hate when they mix you
Speaker 3: up to the separate you. Why are you doing that?
Speaker 3: That's not right. No, that's not right. People.
Speaker 2: I want to get to a situation, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 3: Right, they can be.
Speaker 2: But anyway, we're at this woman Brooks wedding and we're
Speaker 2: we're at.
Speaker 3: The reject table. She's so harsh.
Speaker 2: We've got kids, and then we've got this man, Bernie
Speaker 2: Turtle Tob who's kind of hysterical. She's known for good
Speaker 2: investments but bad breath. And I'm really happy. I mean,
Speaker 2: first of all, Samantha has this whole storyline with him
Speaker 2: that I found kind of perplexing. I don't remember this
Speaker 2: at all, right, but I was like, since when does
Speaker 2: Samantha try to like fix anyone.
Speaker 3: Up and right and settle right.
Speaker 2: Luckily, she comes to she kind of definitely different than
Speaker 2: we see later, Like like I also thought like, oh,
Speaker 2: Samantha also is getting kind of worked out, right, because
Speaker 2: I don't ever remember that.
Speaker 3: I don't ever remember that.
Speaker 2: But the nice thing about when she takes this guy out,
Speaker 2: she dresses him differently and whatnot, and she tells him
Speaker 2: that he has bad breath, and he says very sweetly
Speaker 2: that he's taking these Chinese herbs, which I totally relate
Speaker 2: to because I have many times in life been taking
Speaker 2: Chinese IRBs and I probably had Chinese irb breath. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but he very sweetly says that, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we can work on that. And it's kind of sweet
Speaker 2: of her, you know what I mean, Like she's very
Speaker 2: kind of mother to him.
Speaker 3: And she actually wants to better him, I know.
Speaker 2: And then she gives up.
Speaker 3: He's talking about those mushrooms for too long.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's analyzing the mushrooms in his dish and there's
Speaker 2: like six possible mushrooms it is, and she's like, maybe
Speaker 2: no one cares, she says really sweetly, also really sweetly,
Speaker 2: and he's like, maybe it's chantrelle or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: And then she's like I'm out, which is really true.
Speaker 2: That really man, But that was a very departure type
Speaker 2: of a Samantha s I felt, right, Also similar to
Speaker 2: when I mean not similar, but kind of similar. Earlier
Speaker 2: in the episode, she comes to my I take her
Speaker 2: home because she's drunk and she lives with my door man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: also I mean very Samantha. But also it's funny to
Speaker 2: see her drunken, like not together, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and Charlotte's trying to take care of her, which is.
Speaker 3: Kind of cute.
Speaker 2: And then this is the Rabbit storyline, when we actually
Speaker 2: went to the pleasure Chest and filmed.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, we're at the pleasure chest.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny about this episode. I was rewatching
Speaker 4: it and I had just seen it. Incidentally, I had
Speaker 4: just seen this episode on HBO, maybe like a month ago,
Speaker 4: You're kidding, And I was like, I was watching, Wait,
Speaker 4: I just saw the wow, wow because I remember that
Speaker 4: you being directed to.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I'm addicted to the Rabbit. Departure for Charlotte,
Speaker 2: a very departure for a.
Speaker 3: Very different thing for Charlotte. Charlotte is and that's what
Speaker 3: I saw. I saw the place I thought when I saw.
Speaker 2: It, I just remember, this was my no.
Speaker 3: I know, my hair is.
Speaker 2: A mess, sturdy mean, and I'm wearing green silk.
Speaker 3: What the heck?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 2: And you see like a lot of my apartment, which
Speaker 2: is not how my apartment was later, and I've got
Speaker 2: a big wall of books, which I think is super awesome.
Speaker 3: And where do those books go?
Speaker 2: Because now in Charlotte's apartment they're all white, They're wrapped
Speaker 2: in white paper.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, it's just a design.
Speaker 3: So Charlotte, I.
Speaker 5: Know, so Charlotte.
Speaker 3: Anyway, back then they were all their real bindings, which
Speaker 3: is cool.
Speaker 2: Charlotte was interesting, but also.
Speaker 3: Kind of mysterious. You're like, where's the real who was
Speaker 3: the real show? Where is she going? Is going to
Speaker 3: turn into?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, and we of course know, but back then
Speaker 2: I don't think she knew right because at first she's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: vibrator is not going to take you out for your birthday.
Speaker 2: A vibrator is not going to say I love you.
Speaker 2: She's like, gives them a little speech at the very
Speaker 2: sad coffee shop. You're at the real coffee shop in
Speaker 2: Long Island City, that kind of scary coffee shop, sad
Speaker 2: and scary.
Speaker 3: Do you remember no, yeah, yeah, I remember? You remember
Speaker 3: her set?
Speaker 2: The coffee shop is not a set, it's a real
Speaker 2: in Long Island City, which like in the middle of
Speaker 2: the warehouses they used to be there.
Speaker 4: She was saying that, you know, it's not going to
Speaker 4: say I love you, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: she's she's canceling on.
Speaker 2: That I and she's a bad liar, which is so
Speaker 2: worse so me.
Speaker 3: I'm a terrible liar, terrible liar.
Speaker 2: They come and bang on my door and then they
Speaker 2: grabbed the vibrator, which I thought was brave.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I was like they were and I do vaguely remember
Speaker 2: some conversation, and I also I vividly remember being at
Speaker 2: the pleasure Chest because I'd never been to the pleasure Chest.
Speaker 3: I was like, I can't believe we're filming here.
Speaker 2: And we had to hold the thing up in our
Speaker 2: face right like like you know on film, you can't
Speaker 2: never hold anything down here because they have to cut
Speaker 2: to an INSTI you have to hold it up.
Speaker 3: It's like right in our face.
Speaker 2: I was like, what all of us it's got the years.
Speaker 2: I know, it's a crazy situation. It's a crazy situation. Yes,
Speaker 2: the rabbit was a big deal.
Speaker 3: Turtle in the hair.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, so I like that departure.
Speaker 2: But can I tell you what else pops up in
Speaker 2: my mind?
Speaker 3: This is what I do.
Speaker 2: I free flow my memory and then I'm going to
Speaker 2: look at my papers. Sara Jessica and I are doing
Speaker 2: that yoga scene and we're in the top floor of
Speaker 2: Silver Cup, which was empty at the time. So like
Speaker 2: if you were to look at those windows, you would
Speaker 2: see Manhattan in the distance, which we also filmed in
Speaker 2: last season Evan, just like that, and I believe we actually, no,
Speaker 2: it was somewhere where we were supposed to be in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what thing it was, but we were
Speaker 2: supposed to be in Brooklyn so we could use the skylight.
Speaker 4: I remember also what I did, the scene I did
Speaker 4: with with with Sarah Jessica.
Speaker 3: When she was going to buy that apartment. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: They built it. They built it up with the skylight.
Speaker 2: Oh, the one with those with too much se totally, Yes,
Speaker 2: they built it up there.
Speaker 3: That was that's the same floor.
Speaker 2: Jessica and I had been a yoga teacher before before
Speaker 2: I got Maler's place and We're up there and it's
Speaker 2: very cold. They have the air conditioning on too much,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you guys, it's too cold.
Speaker 3: You have the sets are often they're having to do
Speaker 3: a lot of work. I get it.
Speaker 2: But we had to do yoga, and I remember saying like,
Speaker 2: we need to we need to warm up, we need
Speaker 2: to warm up, we need to warm up. But Sarah
Speaker 2: had been a dancer, right, so she's super limber. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty limber, you know, and we're just doing our stretches.
Speaker 2: Sarah Jessica pulled a muscle in the back of her
Speaker 2: leg that I still feel bad about because we had
Speaker 2: had you had a wretch, But you're acting, right, You're
Speaker 2: acting and you're not thinking. And I know she's very limber,
Speaker 2: and I remember just like doing the thing like we
Speaker 2: were supposed to do, and I just feel like I
Speaker 2: pulled her too far or something and it hurt her
Speaker 2: to sit on it on a hard chair for years.
Speaker 2: No way, like we'd be in a theater scene, you
Speaker 2: know how we had all those scenes like the fashion
Speaker 2: show that she was sitting with us. But we'd be
Speaker 2: sitting somewhere.
Speaker 5: And she'd be like, oh, and I just feel terrible.
Speaker 2: Terrible bad. She I don't think she blames me, but
Speaker 2: I still feel bad. I still feel bad. But I
Speaker 2: love that scene. It's a really fun scene. And we
Speaker 2: look like little children obviously, which is really funny. Okay,
Speaker 2: back at the wedding. We're at the wedding. I mean, man,
Speaker 2: oh man, I don't even know what to make of it.
Speaker 2: Like when you look at people. You know, let's just
Speaker 2: talk about women right now for a second. Let's leave
Speaker 2: gay men out of it. For gay women, let's talk
Speaker 2: about with straight women. Yeah, do you feel like there's
Speaker 2: pressure to settle and get married and have the thing,
Speaker 2: the big wedding?
Speaker 3: And you know, still I still do. I do. Thick
Speaker 3: times have changed, but I do. Also there's I don't
Speaker 3: know if there's social pressure.
Speaker 4: I guess there is some social pressure pressure, but there's
Speaker 4: a lot of inner pressure that women put on themselves.
Speaker 2: Because we've been socialized.
Speaker 3: They think that this wouldn't be supposed to be, that
Speaker 3: it's going to make you happy.
Speaker 2: When if you had a friend that you felt was
Speaker 2: settling to get that marriage, you know, would you say something.
Speaker 4: No, I would you know, after they were divorced, I'd
Speaker 4: be like, I never liked them, but you know beforehand,
Speaker 4: I can No, it's.
Speaker 2: Too delicate, it's difficult, and I really have.
Speaker 4: To make sure even if they don't get married, you
Speaker 4: have to make sure they are broken up and they
Speaker 4: are never getting back together again.
Speaker 2: Say anything, yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want to create problem. No,
Speaker 2: you don't want them to be mad at you, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: I know it's rough though. I don't ever say anything
Speaker 2: about anything because I don't I don't really know what's
Speaker 2: going on in that relation.
Speaker 3: Whip don't right, it's.
Speaker 4: Look and the rule to one's relationship is none of
Speaker 4: anybody's business, and there are different rules to different people's relationships.
Speaker 2: That is a very very good point. We cut back
Speaker 2: to Carrie and she's typing in her adorable way. I
Speaker 2: just love it so much. Then she calls big And
Speaker 2: and she asks him why did he get married? And
Speaker 2: I have to say this, I've been on a very
Speaker 2: big journey with big rewatching the first season because I
Speaker 2: just can't believe how he is to her, Like he's just.
Speaker 3: So yes, not giving you know at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, until this episode, I felt like he broke down
Speaker 2: a little bit more.
Speaker 3: He's a little warmer.
Speaker 2: To her, do you know what I mean, finally, finally, finally,
Speaker 2: because I think also she's going through this whole thing
Speaker 2: of like, oh, I'm dating someone who never wants to
Speaker 2: get married again, should I do? And she actually has
Speaker 2: to contemplate all these things and then he has to
Speaker 2: kind of like reach out to her rather than her
Speaker 2: always reaching out to him. None of these things ever
Speaker 2: occurred to me when we were filming this. Well, you're
Speaker 2: seeing it totally differently, totally I think because of the times,
Speaker 2: but also think when you're in it, you're just trying
Speaker 2: to do it. You know, you're just trying to do it.
Speaker 2: And Charlotte was so big, so I was.
Speaker 4: During that scene when they called this a split screen, yes,
Speaker 4: very Brian to Palma's.
Speaker 2: Terror love split screen.
Speaker 3: We loved it and they talk that what did you
Speaker 3: think of that? You think it was weird? I what?
Speaker 3: I immediately went, it's a split screen.
Speaker 2: He loved it.
Speaker 3: I liked it. I did. I did like I like
Speaker 3: look watching it. Like I said to you, I like
Speaker 3: the tone of it too all I like to talk
Speaker 3: to so much. Sure does. It's twenty two minutes like bam,
Speaker 3: bam bam, and you're like, oh, I want more. It's
Speaker 3: like it's a short twenty two minutes.
Speaker 2: It's very short, I know, and they get so much
Speaker 2: in there. I know, the writing is so good, so
Speaker 2: so good, so so good. Okay, So Carry calls Big
Speaker 2: and she basically says, you know, why did he get married?
Speaker 3: And then he says he was.
Speaker 2: A fool in love, which are just like, what, really,
Speaker 2: at what age were you a fool in love? Because
Speaker 2: this is not who we know him to be. And
Speaker 2: then he says he's never going to get married again.
Speaker 2: And then would you see her gulp exactly, which is
Speaker 2: also I think kind of surprising in a way because
Speaker 2: she's quite the you know, the girl about town.
Speaker 3: Well that's when you know that you really has deep feeling.
Speaker 2: Deep feelings, I know, sweet Carrie. Then so last week
Speaker 2: we found out that he had been married. Now we're
Speaker 2: casually finding out. But I do feel like this is
Speaker 2: how relationships are in the beginning, right, Like people just
Speaker 2: say stuff like kind of like of course, but in reality,
Speaker 2: you're you're over on the other side, like what it's
Speaker 2: a clue. That's a bad clue, you know, like you're nitpicking,
Speaker 2: a'll not not even nippicking, but you're you're just like
Speaker 2: accruing details, right, trying to make the picture together. Okay,
Speaker 2: so then the rest of us are not surprised to
Speaker 2: hear that Big doesn't want to get married. But I
Speaker 2: think this is a major bummer, which is so funny
Speaker 2: because it's something that I would say, now, oh silliness.
Speaker 2: You wonder if they were paying attention to how I talk.
Speaker 2: I don't know. But then of course deman that Cared
Speaker 2: not surprised at all. And then she says, I wasn't
Speaker 2: even thinking about getting married until I was told I couldn't,
Speaker 2: and which I think is so true, right, Like you're
Speaker 2: just on your own tracks, and you're assuming that other
Speaker 2: people are possibly on that track too, and then you
Speaker 2: hear that they're not in this shock right because you're
Speaker 2: just kind of going about things assuming that their possibilities.
Speaker 3: Right. That's not always the case, is right.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like that's a lesson that CARRY
Speaker 2: learns basically every week with Big.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know and go. It fluctuates too, with her
Speaker 4: relationship with him. I just went back and forth through
Speaker 4: the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I know, and like, God, how then you didn't you cently?
Speaker 2: I only rooted for them and now I'm like.
Speaker 3: Why did I do that? That's do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? But that's how it is too.
Speaker 2: I think like sometimes when you're too close, you're not objective,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And I also think that
Speaker 2: they have the chemistry they have and therefore you for
Speaker 2: them right, exactly right, which is also eventually it just
Speaker 2: took a very very long time.
Speaker 3: Yes, very very long time. Took a movie.
Speaker 2: It took a movie, and then another kind of I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, but then we didn't. Yeah, anyway, back
Speaker 2: to the show.
Speaker 3: Back to the show.
Speaker 2: So then I say really adorably that I want my
Speaker 2: relationship to be based on honesty and communication, which I would.
Speaker 3: Still say, and I'm not wrong, no, like, this is
Speaker 3: what relationship should be based on. Wants that.
Speaker 2: Characters my character definitely, and I think that's great.
Speaker 3: I'm like the mature voice, which is amazing. You like
Speaker 3: the voice of reason. I'm the voice of reason.
Speaker 2: And see I never realized that in the beginning. I
Speaker 2: thought I was always so naive. Well, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a way to look at it that I am.
Speaker 3: You are right, but it's but it's different.
Speaker 4: It's you're it's it's you're a little bit more conservative,
Speaker 4: then that's what it is.
Speaker 2: I'm conservative, right, but there's conservatives also saying conservative in
Speaker 2: terms of like wants to get married, have kids. Is
Speaker 2: very open about that. That's the goal, you know from
Speaker 2: the get go, pretty much right, And obviously we know
Speaker 2: we know that she comes up against some some difficulties
Speaker 2: because of that, which is fine because I like that.
Speaker 2: So then as my producers write, this is the sort
Speaker 2: of a major storyline, a big not wanting to get married,
Speaker 2: which honestly I hadn't remembered this either.
Speaker 3: You know, I like no, I mean, well I don't either.
Speaker 2: Because we were in it, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And I think I remembered that, then what happens later
Speaker 2: would have made more sense, right.
Speaker 3: But I also feel and I talked.
Speaker 2: I had Oliver Hudson two episodes again, so sweet.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: And he's done a lot of work on himself, and
Speaker 2: he's also been married a long time and it was
Speaker 2: super interesting to talk to him about being a straight
Speaker 2: guy and what he remembers before he did and also
Speaker 2: married right, successfully married before and how you know, scared
Speaker 2: he was of expressing his feelings and communicating openly, and
Speaker 2: then he learned how important it was and how you
Speaker 2: do feel so much more. You're much more available to
Speaker 2: love and all the things that can happen when you're
Speaker 2: fully present and not you know, with the wall, right,
Speaker 2: But if you look at Big, the fact that he
Speaker 2: has this incredible wall up for so long, and somehow
Speaker 2: she handles it, she does handle it. I don't even
Speaker 2: know how.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You talk about rooting for someone and hoping they're going
Speaker 4: to change what she actually did later on, but I.
Speaker 2: Know she waited along, right, But in reality, like now,
Speaker 2: we would say, like, don't try to change that person.
Speaker 3: He's not going to change. Yes, we don't change people.
Speaker 2: Right, Isn't that what I would not always say now?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: It's interesting, it's interesting, but I also feel like I
Speaker 2: feel and I could be wrong, and maybe we'll ask
Speaker 2: Sir Jeska about this where she comes up, I feel like, yes,
Speaker 2: she wanted what she wanted, but at a certain point,
Speaker 2: she was also willing to not get everything she wanted
Speaker 2: to stay with him, do you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean? Yeah, Because it's not like this.
Speaker 2: In this episode, there's a crazy storyline with Stanford where
Speaker 2: she goes to meet his mother, which I had not
Speaker 2: really remembered, right, it's so good.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Also when they go to the ballet, which you know, sir,
Speaker 2: Jessica loves your ballet so much, and now she's chairperson
Speaker 2: of the Ballet Committee and does this incredible fundraiser every
Speaker 2: year and raises so much money in New York City
Speaker 2: Ballet and we on and just like that film at
Speaker 2: the Ballet this year, which was incredible and we spent
Speaker 2: so much money doing it. Yep, but we wanted to
Speaker 2: have that iconicy New York situation. But to see she
Speaker 2: and Willie walking around Lincoln Center in the night and
Speaker 2: she wirrel, it's incredible. It's incredible, And way back then,
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight we did that, Like, it's amazing
Speaker 2: the kind of footprint of what would come in a
Speaker 2: much more kind of fully fully developed way later.
Speaker 4: And in the settling, In the settling situation, even though
Speaker 4: they are close friends and they love each other, there's
Speaker 4: the idea of them getting married.
Speaker 2: Right, He's like, why not because he would get his inherited.
Speaker 2: He doesn't realize, right, And he would be fine with
Speaker 2: her being with Big because he's gay, right, And it
Speaker 2: kind of makes sense and she's like, maybe this does
Speaker 2: make sense.
Speaker 3: And then his mom, his mom mother, you guys me
Speaker 3: wi WILLI Stanford's mom and she says, you know, you
Speaker 3: know he's a fruit.
Speaker 2: She says, yeah, yeah, and then she realizes that he's
Speaker 2: not going to get the inheritance, so it's really not
Speaker 2: going to work. The friend's not going to work. But
Speaker 2: it is super interesting. I did not really remember that.
Speaker 2: I like that whole moment.
Speaker 3: I liked it too.
Speaker 2: And Stanford's like so sweet and like vulnerable. And you
Speaker 2: remember when he goes he puts an ad in the
Speaker 2: paper because we didn't have dating apps, and he basically
Speaker 2: says Ed Harris type and Ed Harris type.
Speaker 3: And which is what you said to me? When is that? First?
Speaker 4: He said he looks like Ed Harrison? And then I
Speaker 4: say to you, Ed Harris, how about Ed? I have
Speaker 4: no Harris.
Speaker 2: And then this guy walks up to him on the
Speaker 2: street and it's like, this is.
Speaker 3: No, it's not gonna happen. His little face welcome to
Speaker 3: the gay world. Oh my gosh, the little side face.
Speaker 3: So it just broke my little heart.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 2: Then oh, then there's there's the insanity of the Rabbit,
Speaker 2: which really goes on for quite some your addiction time, right, well,
Speaker 2: just and then the you know, like Charlotte's version of lying.
Speaker 2: It's really funny, like, oh, you know, I'm supposed.
Speaker 3: To go out with you to go to the Kelly,
Speaker 3: but then they came up then make it, I know,
Speaker 3: which is really really cute, door, really.
Speaker 2: Really cute, so cute.
Speaker 3: I love them breaking down my door and taking care
Speaker 3: of me. It's so cute.
Speaker 2: It's so so cute. And then I say that I
Speaker 2: think I broke my vagina.
Speaker 4: That's right, wow, yes, yea. Knowing what your character became,
Speaker 4: it's like wow. And the fact that you got you're
Speaker 4: the one that got objected to this thing, that whole
Speaker 4: thing is just.
Speaker 2: But that was that, yes, exactly, I agree. And they
Speaker 2: were trying to figure out, like what can we do
Speaker 2: that doesn't you don't see coming? You know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying with her, And I was just trying to pull
Speaker 2: it off so that they weren't like get rid of her.
Speaker 2: I'm serious, it was on my mind. I was scared.
Speaker 2: I was very scared for most of it. So I'm
Speaker 2: just like, how could I make this? And also I've
Speaker 2: been in an acting class for so long, right, So
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make everything as real as I
Speaker 2: possibly can, do you know what I mean? But it's
Speaker 2: really cute when they come over. I love it very
Speaker 2: very much. I love it and I really want to
Speaker 2: watch it again. That's how cute it was, because it
Speaker 2: seems like we're in high school. Yeah, it's like a
Speaker 2: weirdly good episode.
Speaker 3: And I remember when I saw it about a month ago.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is a really good episode, and.
Speaker 5: Did you thought that?
Speaker 2: I just I just thought the whole first season I
Speaker 2: remembered it, which is crazy. See, I thought that the
Speaker 2: Rabbit episode would have been later, like I remember things
Speaker 2: from it, but I don't remember them.
Speaker 3: And I was surprised it was the episode when I
Speaker 3: started rewriting again. Yeah, the other day.
Speaker 4: Because I was like, wait, I just saw this and
Speaker 4: this was from the first season totally.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. That's why Cynthia always told me that the
Speaker 2: first season was good and I was like, no, no,
Speaker 2: she's right, right, Okay, so we're back with Beg. Carrie
Speaker 2: tells Beg that she got a proposal. She's smoking and
Speaker 2: which is hysterical. Isn't it funny to watch her smoking?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, right?
Speaker 2: And like almost blows the up. And do you remember
Speaker 2: when when he does a smoke ring. I remember that
Speaker 2: he was like very proud of himself that he's smok ring. Okay, wait,
Speaker 2: this is the intervention. Now we're back to Samantha with
Speaker 2: the turtle, which again so adorable and sweet and he's sweet.
Speaker 2: He is kind of feel bad for him.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: Oh wait, it's Stanford's grandmother.
Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that makes more sense. That makes more sense,
Speaker 2: becuse I was gonna say, we really don't see anyone's parents.
Speaker 2: His grandmother who has the money. That makes sense. Then
Speaker 2: we're back. Now this scene really really killed me because
Speaker 2: there's so many future callbacks to this scene where Big
Speaker 2: is making sauce okay and giving her the spook.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, he has an issue.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well he was like, you brown the onion,
Speaker 4: and you brown the garlic and then you throw in
Speaker 4: the onion.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, opposite you.
Speaker 4: You brought you brown the onion and then rowing the
Speaker 4: garlic quickly, and then you throw your sauce in and
Speaker 4: then you cook it.
Speaker 3: I just made it, and the other day that's all
Speaker 3: I do is make sauce. Okay. Yeah, so that was wrong.
Speaker 2: Do you remember how many times throughout the years they've
Speaker 2: done this, and like in the movie do it in
Speaker 2: their beautiful apartment. I know, what's you know, it's adorable,
Speaker 2: I know, but it's also like that's the hymn that
Speaker 2: I like, you know, like when I'm like this this,
Speaker 2: I can see there had.
Speaker 4: To be a certain thing about him, even at the
Speaker 4: very beginning, that you rooted for and was hoping for
Speaker 4: that change and for that connection and ultimately that marriage.
Speaker 2: So you know, but see, there are fans who would
Speaker 2: say that they were not hoping sure, and there are
Speaker 2: fans who would say that they were on aiden not
Speaker 2: big you know what I mean? It was always right,
Speaker 2: but for sure. I mean the writers definitely it was
Speaker 2: like the central storyline for her right too big or
Speaker 2: not too big?
Speaker 3: You know, right, do you know what I mean? But
Speaker 3: they were, yeah, the sauce thing. I but I love
Speaker 3: that scene.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great scene. And she basically says,
Speaker 2: you know this other marriage proposal, like God is not
Speaker 2: gonna it's got not going to work out. And then
Speaker 2: she says that she does want to get married someday.
Speaker 2: And when you think about that, this is season one
Speaker 2: and they're having this conversation and how many years of
Speaker 2: show and then movies would go on for this to
Speaker 2: get worked out. But I also think it's very real.
Speaker 4: I mean, and also when they're in bed together and
Speaker 4: she's like trying to be all cool, we'll getting right
Speaker 4: married and yeah, I got a proposal today, and and
Speaker 4: then he said Stanfford and he was and he knew.
Speaker 3: He was, like isn't he isn't he gay? Uh huh?
Speaker 4: And so the cockiness kind of flips back around, like.
Speaker 2: That kind of right that they because like, do you
Speaker 2: remember early on when he's kind of evaded her wherever
Speaker 2: they're supposed to get together, they didn't get together, And
Speaker 2: she sees him on the street and she leans over
Speaker 2: and tells him the word of the crossroad puzzle, Like
Speaker 2: it's nice how they like trade power and right, and
Speaker 2: that's that's the saving grace of it, all right, if
Speaker 2: it was just him being aloof the.
Speaker 3: Whole time, boo.
Speaker 2: But they trade back and forth. But this scene in particular,
Speaker 2: I felt like, at least we're seeing the potential of him,
Speaker 2: the potential of their relationship, the potential of him being
Speaker 2: nice to her, Like he holds her and kisses her
Speaker 2: at the end is kind of reassuring to her, even
Speaker 2: though he doesn't say, oh, yes, I do want to
Speaker 2: get right. He doesn't say that, but his actions are
Speaker 2: more like caretaking and make her feel you know, good.
Speaker 3: Which is interesting.
Speaker 2: Then the okay, but settling, and then I got the
Speaker 2: paper in front of me. Yes, the theme is settling,
Speaker 2: which I think is obviously a fantastic theme and still
Speaker 2: incredibly relevant. But we don't get a solution. Of course,
Speaker 2: we don't get a solution. How could we get a
Speaker 2: solution to that? And also this is still a question
Speaker 2: in society, like what's more important to you? Security? Right,
Speaker 2: the security of relationship or not something? Sometimes that's the choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything, people do both. It's plenty of people that
Speaker 3: do both.
Speaker 4: And you they either settle, and they settle because it's
Speaker 4: money and power involved. And you know, yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: let me tell you something. I always said this I was,
Speaker 4: you know, it's going to be on my gravestone. What
Speaker 4: I can buy the whole I can't be one.
Speaker 2: Wow, I do not think that you should put that
Speaker 2: on your.
Speaker 4: But I mean what I mean, but metaphorically what I
Speaker 4: mean is I can't. I don't care how much money
Speaker 4: you have, So I'm not going to be with you
Speaker 4: for money.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I I mean, I'll buy my my suite at
Speaker 7: the day we're seeing Rome, I'll buy this, but I'll
Speaker 7: buy a car to get me something, you know, But
Speaker 7: I can't.
Speaker 3: I don't. I was like, I'll be fine. I'm the
Speaker 3: one that's gonna have the money. That's how you do it.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I would never marry somebody I know, right,
Speaker 4: I don't understand that.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: I don't understand it either. And the thing that I
Speaker 2: think is really dangerous about it is if you're a
Speaker 2: young woman like Charlotte, right, And I mean the thing
Speaker 2: that I do love about Charlotte though, is first season
Speaker 2: she talks about the gallery every single episode, which I love,
Speaker 2: like work is important to her, you know, which I
Speaker 2: really love and I had forgotten, Like most of her arcs,
Speaker 2: it's mentioned, you know, and then more so it comes
Speaker 2: back than goodness. So it's not like she's like I
Speaker 2: don't want to work, you know. The later obviously there's
Speaker 2: a time when she does it work and the girls
Speaker 2: are like, you're not even working? Do you remember this
Speaker 2: later on? Anyway, I think that the mistake that you know, mentally,
Speaker 2: Relying on someone else financially when you're young is a mistake.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a mistake that people very commonly make
Speaker 2: because you have to you have to get those skills
Speaker 2: yourself through so that you'll be okay, right, because but
Speaker 2: sometimes you can't rely on those other people and then
Speaker 2: you're left dry and it's way.
Speaker 3: Stressful or you're miserable exactly.
Speaker 2: Which seems like a nightmare.
Speaker 3: And then you have kids.
Speaker 2: I feel like the problem is they're relying on right,
Speaker 2: Like you can get married, you can settle, you can
Speaker 2: do all the different things, just don't rely on them,
Speaker 2: like keep your own bank account.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely right, absolutely right, it's important. See, and Jerry
Speaker 3: and I feel the same way you do.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we're very you know, look we have our money,
Speaker 4: but we're we're we're separate with things too, and that's
Speaker 4: a good way.
Speaker 3: And yeah, look it's there's.
Speaker 4: Times he made more money than me and times I
Speaker 4: made more money than him, and and that's just you
Speaker 4: just rely on each other, went back and forth, which
Speaker 4: is a very healthy thing.
Speaker 3: I think that's a very healthy thing.
Speaker 2: And also because that means the power is even in
Speaker 2: a relationships, right, yeah, right, Mario, You're amazing.
Speaker 3: I'm just looking at my papers. I think we've done it.
Speaker 4: And there's even like Jerry and I working together. Yes,
Speaker 4: when I did my One Man, he wrote all my music.
Speaker 4: He writes my music for me.
Speaker 2: But that's amazing.
Speaker 4: We work together everyone that you know, we've done shows together.
Speaker 4: We we advise each other. It's a it is a
Speaker 4: real balance of power.
Speaker 3: Beautiful, you know, beautiful, and we love each other.
Speaker 4: We scare each other a little bit, you know, because
Speaker 4: we're both strict sometimes with things, and you know, we're
Speaker 4: both control freaks. I think, well, not not in not
Speaker 4: in the not in a horrible way, not in the
Speaker 4: way where it rips apart our relationship.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to know he's safe and okay,
Speaker 3: of course that's unhealthy for sure.
Speaker 4: Because we're getting older, and you know, I think about
Speaker 4: life and yeah, I just do.
Speaker 3: We all do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all do.
Speaker 4: You know, And that's what I love about it, just
Speaker 4: like that is everybody's older and we are.
Speaker 3: Everyone is changing in some way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, the audience loves some of it and
Speaker 4: hate some of it, and it's just but it's like
Speaker 4: too bad, this is life. You accept these changes and you.
Speaker 4: You know, Anthony has changed.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I when I first said to Michael, you know, when
Speaker 4: I had the hot fellas, I was like, so, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be messing around with these.
Speaker 3: She said no. He said no, no, no, no, because.
Speaker 4: You don't where you eat this is, this is she said.
Speaker 4: He said, you've evolved. You're the one that You're the
Speaker 4: one that's not that doesn't do that anymore, which is
Speaker 4: why when you find out in the second season that
Speaker 4: I only hired straight men, I forgot.
Speaker 3: I could, I could not do that.
Speaker 4: And then I find out that Giuseppe is gay, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're fired.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I forgot, Yes, you're fired.
Speaker 4: And then I like that we get he quits and
Speaker 4: we get together. So I love that about me.
Speaker 3: See that he's evolved that way. Well, if we haven't
Speaker 3: evolved at all, how boring. That's not real. You know,
Speaker 3: that's not real. It's not real.
Speaker 2: I know, and I know I know there's and you
Speaker 2: have done.
Speaker 3: Can I just don't don't say anything, just shut up
Speaker 3: and just hear it.
Speaker 4: And I said this to you, But the amount of
Speaker 4: people that think you are so many magnificent.
Speaker 3: In this iteration of the show, and how.
Speaker 5: Walking, how hilarious you are.
Speaker 4: You are really divinely funny than finely funny. You're drunken stuff.
Speaker 4: You're that whole monologue to Harry during the hangover, but
Speaker 4: she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking to have Michael Patrick writing for me.
Speaker 5: I am too.
Speaker 3: I'm lucky to have you as my partner.
Speaker 4: You're my first and original partner, and we're still very
Speaker 4: close friends, even though the kids take you away from
Speaker 4: me sometimes, and I've said that Charlotte's up to her
Speaker 4: ass and kids ship.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's thank you for being with you.
Speaker 5: I love you verys for finally asking me