WEBVTT - Are you trying to numb your mind? There's a better solution... 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.800 There's a couple of things, but I would just I 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:07.800 would say, why are you trying to numb yourself? Is it? 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.240 Do you like yourself better when you're you're under the 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:16.520 influence problem? Or are you able to relax more when 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:21.200 you're under the influence problem because you're you're taking away 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.479 from the fact that there's there's there's a better solution 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:38.479 to all of this. Podcast guests today the one and 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.040 only Chad, one of my favorite guests. I'm so I'm 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:44.560 so giddy when you come. It's exciting to be here. 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.760 You've switched some things up. I have sitting on this 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:51.640 side now. Yeah, I'm I still recognize you. It's mostly 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.160 by your voice, though I'm not used to seeing this 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.800 side of you. Yeah, I I because of the second camera. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.520 I'm just trying to make adjustments. You asked me earlier 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.040 why I make adjustments, and I said, usually it's because 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.640 of a problem. Most of the things in my life 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.479 are innovated from problems. You're a visionary. There's Yeah, You're 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.920 you're always getting better, which is cool. Good, I'll take that. 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.399 I'll take that as a compliment. Yeah, and you are 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.520 the reason I love you as a guest is because 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.920 first of all, you're just just a good human being, 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.920 just a good dude. And if I had something going 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.360 on in my life a question, I'm so glad that 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.520 I have you in my life to bounce that off of. 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:34.880 If I said, hey, Chat, I got to talk about something. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.679 Could we meet for coffee, You'd be like house three o'clock. Absolutely, 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.280 And I think that that's that's such a benefit to 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.520 have that kind of person on this podcast where we 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.800 can go through these questions and walk through it as 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.800 as if we're living it with them. That's really what 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.320 we're doing. And if anyone wants to email, you could 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.320 email Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com. That's where I'm 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.400 getting these questions from. And you're you've been on here 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.240 so much that I actually have a lot of questions 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:07.800 that are for you, okay, that are for chat specifically 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:12.440 that that's in the subject line. And I'm gonna I'm 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:14.880 trying to find I was gonna find like an easy 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:19.960 one to get into. Probably this one first question is, Hey, 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.120 this is John from Illinois. Shout out to Illinois granger 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:27.880 What is your favorite thing to hunt? Yeah? M hm, 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:32.239 we've talked about we have the very first Yeah, episode 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.320 I was a part of. We talked about the difference 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:39.519 between hunting and shopping, like in Texas we kind of 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.640 shopped for meat around a Yeah, you steer the line 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.680 like heater air conditioner in the in the summertime. And 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:53.040 I've had people that they were less than excited about 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:58.720 the way that I described hunting in Texas. They were like, whatever, man, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.280 and that they're telling me that it's because I take 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.840 the easy route and I'm a rifle hunter and I 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.960 need to bow hunt or I need to whatever else. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.440 But I mean, I don't totally disagree with them. Chad 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.440 is a Montana guy. Yeah, Montana hunting is very different 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:20.760 than Texas hunting, and there it's all hunting. So I 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.120 understand the joke about shopping, and I feel that, and 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.320 I feel the need to to make a hunt difficult 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.760 so that you could feel like you're you're earning it 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:35.200 and your reflection of your ancestors and you're it's a 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.560 it's a huge challenge. I understand that. But sometimes you 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:41.520 just want to get a dough right. You just want 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.920 to feel the freezer exactly, and and so I do 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:49.040 appreciate that. I think it's interesting here you can your 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.440 your your limit or whatever, you can get five deer. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.280 And where I've lived before and hunted in Colorado on Montana, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.600 it's it's you get one, you pay, and you get 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:03.440 one because of size difference. But the question is what's 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.880 our favorite? M h, Yeah, what's our favorite? Which is 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.880 in Texas we need to get white tail off. Like 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:13.600 the reason there's five is because we need to manage herd. 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.320 Because because as humans, we've also managed to get rid 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.640 of all the predators. You know, there used to be 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:24.360 wolves in Texas. Did you know that? Wild wolves? If 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.520 you think about I always put in perspective of that 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.839 movie Old Yeller. Did you ever see that movie? Ye? 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.920 Remember they're fighting. There's a wolf in the movie. That's 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:37.080 that's fighting Old Yeller. TRAVI us a wolf, get your gun. 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.880 And that was that took place like in the Texas 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:46.040 hill country. So there used to be wolves in Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.400 And those wolves were either killed by local farmers and 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:56.440 ranchers and pioneer people, or they were bred out by coyotes. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:01.159 Coyotes could breed with a wolf, and the more that 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.560 the codies do that, obviously it they just become coyotes 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.359 and and so coyotes aren't a predator of deer or 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.839 they are. They are, but they'll they'll take they'll take 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.240 down a fawn, okay, and they'll actually take a lot 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.560 of fawns. But we also manage those. The State of 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:21.520 Texas will manage codies free of charge to ranchers just 0:05:21.600 --> 0:05:26.800 to help with cattle and goats and sheep and chickens. 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.359 So the State of Texas will manage that for you. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:32.240 So we also get rid of coyotes, but they're not 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.720 like a wolf. A wolf take down a dough to 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.320 a wolf take down a buck, and they used to, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:42.479 but because we've limited that those predators, Texas needs hunters 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.160 to manage the white tail herd because if you don't 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.600 manage it, they'll just there's not enough food to go around. Yeah, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:52.839 this is not an answer to his question at all, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:57.160 I know, but it's very enlightening and I think you're 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:01.120 you're drying a good point that there are different reasons 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.880 why we would hunt and maybe have different favorites. So 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.599 there's a what's your favorite thing to hunt and eat? Right, 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.960 there's the what do you enjoy the flavor of or 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.560 like to cook? But then I think there's the what's 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.000 kind of on your bucket list? Right, would you love 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.799 to say that you've you've done that kind of hunt? 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.279 And then there may be just a man when it 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.960 comes down to it, I love to, okay, hunt this. 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.680 So it seems like there's multiple favorites, right, And I 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.599 can think there's one animal that fills two of those 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:38.039 categories for me, and then there's another one that's just 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.880 that bucket list like that would be cool an epex 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.359 predator go first. Okay. So the thing that I have 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:49.679 enjoyed hunting the most, and I also enjoy the meat 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.720 the most of is the rocky mountain elk. I think 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:59.360 that is just the process of stalking the animal, finding it, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.520 you know, chasing it, getting after it, spending hours climbing mountains, 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:09.600 trapsing through the forest. It is a it's a powerful 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.680 moment when you have downed a bowl elk and it's 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:17.240 there before you and it's it's just majestic. It's huge, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.080 it's beautiful, and its meat is so good and tasty. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.520 But my like, what would I love to hunt someday? 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.680 It'd be a grizzly bear. Yeah, because I think there's 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.760 this element of you're going to die. You could, it 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.600 could in me right. It's not just a one way 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:39.480 street here, it's two ways. And yeah, that are a 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.960 polar bear, same thing. Those things hunt you. Yeah, okay, awesome. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.080 I've been elkhunting, but I've never gotten an elk. It 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.600 keep going and we need to get you up to 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.800 Montana or Colorado. Will trapes around for a few days. Yeah, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.920 we'll get you. I would love to. I have. I've 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.080 gone mule deer hunting. I have gotten a mule deer, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.040 actually got a mule deer in Mexico, which was a 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:03.360 But I haven't. I just don't have a lot of 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:07.520 big game experience grown up white tail hunting. I have 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.040 a lot of great whitetail stories. And that's probably my 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:15.000 answer to what I enjoy hunting and eating because I've 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.480 done it so much. And do you both rifle and 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:22.640 bow hunts and I have. I enjoy bird hunting. I 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:27.080 enjoy dove hunting. It's a completely different deal, you know. 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.840 I love to go out with Lincoln, my son, and 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.120 he can easily go and he's been deer hunting with 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:35.760 me too. But there's a process of dove hunting where 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.920 we could literally go out in the front yard, you know, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:44.600 in September thirtieth in Texas and get a dove and 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.560 then you can go right back to the grill and 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.760 put that dove breast on the grill within twenty minutes 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.200 of shooting it, which is really cool. I like to 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.200 do it with white tail too. I like to get 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.880 the backstrap and eat a piece of it the same day. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.960 There's something special about that that is awesome bucket list 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.920 for me. I would say doll sheep in Alaska or 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.880 the Northwest Territory of Canada that I've had some friends 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:16.560 do that, and it's like a nine day deal. You're 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:19.800 probably not gonna get one. You're gonna you're gonna walk 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.880 for fifty miles. You're gonna be more tired than you've 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.160 ever been. Are they like up in eigh elevation or 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.360 are they okay? Yeah, So you'll see one and you'll 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.440 you'll see And first of all, just to get a 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:38.320 legal illegal ram, that's hard in itself, just to find one, 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:41.160 and then when you do, you will you could hunt it. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.320 You could stock it for three or four days and 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.680 you're going mountaintop to mountaintop just watching it and You're like, well, 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.000 the sun's going down, we need a camp here. He's 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.480 probably gonna be in that same ridge when we wake up. 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.240 Wake up there he is. So you move down the 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.439 valley and you come back up, and then he's he's 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.440 moved on to the next hill. And then and you realize, well, 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:03.600 our airplane pick up, which is how they get you, 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.559 is in two days. We have to start heading back 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.280 to the drop site. We're gonna let this one go. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.240 But it's crazy. I mean the stress that the toll 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.760 it takes on your body. You're completely dependent on the weather. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.840 If it's foggy, you can't do anything but stay right there. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:24.160 If it's raining, you're right there. I'm in When do 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.920 I mean, how many can go on this? Okay, I'll 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.240 look into it. I'm serious, talk about totally do that, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.600 talk about getting close to God? I mean, you are 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.319 out in the middle of absolute nowhere. If this results 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.240 in an actual hunt, this is the best question we've 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:44.480 ever received. That's true. Thank you. John. His name, by 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.560 the way, his emails John the Angler. Yeah, he's a fisherman, 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.240 probably a fly fisherman. Yeah yeah, let me find one 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.040 of these that has Chad. Here's one right here, two 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.200 granger and Pastor Chad. Hey, my name is Aaron. My 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.440 wife goes to church every Sunday, but I don't. I 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.720 used to go to church by myself when I was younger, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.000 but I stopped because I felt like I was consistently 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.439 being judged by my peers. I want to start going 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.280 with my wife, but I still have that fear. I 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.040 don't know much about the word, and I want to 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:16.920 be a follower of Christ, but I don't know where 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.680 to begin. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank y'all so much, 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.240 Love you guys. So, Aaron, do you say he didn't 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:29.319 say where he's from. It's a good question, though, and 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:34.079 I want to address first that he used the word fear. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.679 It's interesting and I would say as a pastor, Aaron, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.280 as much as you might be intimidated or have that 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:48.680 fear of going back, or or not knowing enough or 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.040 feeling like you should know more, as a pastor, that 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.679 does not exist in our heart and when we if 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.360 I were to meet you on a Sunday morning, I 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:04.440 would be so floored and excited that you overcame the 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:08.800 fear to be there because of what that means for you. 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:15.520 And for your eternal security, that you're taking a step 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:20.880 towards the Lord, and that is significant, and that is 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:25.000 a win in and of itself. And I'll also confess 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:30.400 Aaron that as a pastor, there are often times where 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:35.200 if I'm sitting in the congregation and somebody else's preaching 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:38.880 or teaching and they reference a verse or a book 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:43.120 of the Bible, I sometimes have to look in the 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:46.559 Table of Contents to find it, in the sense that 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.640 I don't automatically know exactly what page in number. But 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.680 it's okay to not know. It's okay to be in 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.760 a place of still learning, and to just embrace that 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.160 and own that there's still so much to learn when 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:03.920 it comes to the scriptures, what they say, what they mean, 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.040 where to find things, and so don't allow that fear. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.400 Just know that you're not alone in it. I think 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.120 the enemy wins when he gets us to think we're 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:18.560 somehow unique and weird in our own issues and that 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:20.840 no one else can relate or has those issues. But 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.360 that is absolute, that's a lie. Yeah. So I have 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:25.640 a friend that I try to get to go to 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.880 church with me all the time, always ask him, and 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.880 he had an interesting thing to say about that. He said, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.600 I can't go to church right now because until I 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.160 know more about the Bible, I feel like it's me 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.000 walking into the movie theater halfway through the movie. I'm 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.600 just going to go to church on a given Sunday 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.800 and the preachers talking about something and I don't know 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:52.040 the backstory at all. What do you say to that? Well, 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:55.240 I mean, that's the place where we learn the backstory. Like, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.160 that's the exact place you ought to go. It's kind 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:03.960 of like I talk to people because in another life 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.920 I am a a coach CrossFit yep. And I'll have 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.640 people say I really want to try CrossFit, but I 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.480 need to get in shape first. I don't feel like 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.760 it can coming point and do CrossFit because I'm just 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.480 not physically there. And I'm trying to convince them. No, 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.960 if there is, there is nothing better than CrossFit to 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.720 help you begin to experience fitness and to get in shape. 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.360 That's what it's designed to do. It's not there for 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.720 the people that are already fit to then go and 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.600 hang out and have fun. No, it's designed to develop 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:43.000 fitness for people that are not fit. That's a great analogy. So, 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.240 and you could you could attest to this that on Sunday, 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:52.040 Aaron Sunday mornings, churches will build their service with you 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.560 in mind. They're going to build their service knowing that 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.080 a certain percentage probably pretty big, what thirty forty fift 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.880 they know will go on a Sunday as a guest 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.960 or as a friend or the mother in law joins 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.760 because they were asked to. And pastors know that, they 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:17.000 know that on Sunday mornings they're going to have to 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:20.200 They're going to have to build their sermon with a 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.040 component of this is a lot of people's first time 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.640 to hear this first time or it may be the 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.080 only time in the week that these folks will experience 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:33.160 the Bible. And so we understand that this is an 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:40.960 important opportunity to get people comfortable with the Word, exposed 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.040 to the scriptures, learning the Bible, how to approach the 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.440 Bible on their own, like it's a unique spot. The 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.880 majority of people that are coming that may be the 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.240 only time they experience it. So, yes, we do have 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.720 that in mind. And so like I said, that's the 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.880 place you should go in order to gain a greater 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.400 understanding and love of comfort. Yeah, once you get that, 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.960 then they have small groups and Bible studies during the 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:10.120 week that then dig deeper and it allows you to 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.800 get to the next level. But Sundays will always take 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:17.360 you back at some point to the basics in the message. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.840 At least it's usually built like that. So and there's 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:26.080 a podcast that you can listen to, the Take and 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.520 Read podcast. Yes, when does that come out? It should 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:34.360 If it's not already ready, it will be ready in 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:39.600 the next week from when this podcast. When you hear 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.000 my voice right now, okay, good, good, good like okay, 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.960 then we'll reiterate that again. Okay. So what do you 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:53.360 think Aaron means by judged by others? He says, I 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.560 stopped going because I constantly felt like I was being 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.800 judged by my peers. What do you think he means 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:04.000 Christians judging or non believers, non church goers judging him? 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.879 A good question. I took it to mean that other Christians, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:14.879 other peers within the church were judging him for lifestyleka, 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.159 something like that, and he just he felt like it 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.560 was a place of judgment. Could go either way. It 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.159 could be other people as friends that aren't church goers, 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.679 saying why do you go to church? I don't know 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.880 that's a good point, man. I would just lean in, Aaron, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.679 I would lean into what Chad said about this is 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.720 the same scenario as you saying I really want to 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.800 get in shape, but I don't really want to go 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.800 to the gym because I'm not in shape, and everyone 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.240 is saying no, the gym is how you get in 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.280 Jed's where you go. That's where you go. That's and 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.760 just like the gym, when you go to the gym, 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.560 you're surrounding yourself with other people that have like minded goals. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.800 They all want The people at church are going to 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:57.240 want to know more about the Word and to be 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.919 stronger followers of Christ. And so you're going to surround yourself, 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.200 just like you would do at the gym, with people 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.959 that are have the same goal in mind. And just 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.439 like the gym, you're going to have those guys that 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.359 are there because they want to show how strong they 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:17.760 are totally and they're flexing down and they're they're simply 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.159 there because they want to display, you know, all of 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.960 their their macho stuff. And I think you're going to 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:29.080 find that obviously in the church. You're going to find 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.479 people that really want you to know how much they 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.400 know and and just just let them just roll with it. 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.080 So he says, I don't even know where to begin. Well, 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.720 you find a church. Yeah, where's your wife going? He says, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:47.760 his wife goes. My wife go to church every Sunday, perfect, Yeah, 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.040 the right past. So hey, babe, what time are you going? 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:57.399 Is it ten? What time do you leave? I'm in, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.880 I'm in. Hey does this look okay? All right, let's 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:06.720 roll and then your level of participation is could be zero. Yeah, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:11.240 just sit sit in the seat. One of our pastors 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:15.840 at celebration. Daniel, his story is crazy, his testimony is crazy. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.679 He came from Lansing, Michigan, and he came from a 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:26.440 non believing family, and his mother was radically transformed, radically 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:30.280 reborn and started going to church, and his dad, who 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:36.200 was a drug dealer, thought that she was going to 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.920 meet another man. So he would follow her and go 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.440 and hide in the bathroom and wait just to catch 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.680 her in the act, because she had to be going 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.920 to this church thing, because there had to be another 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.359 man she was cheating on him with. So he was 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.879 going and hiding in the bathroom and sometimes doing drugs 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.800 in the bathroom, and one day after so many times 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:04.920 the Gospel penetrated him. It just radically transformed him, and 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:08.560 he walks out of the bathroom tears streaming on his face, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.679 walked up to the altar, fell down in front of 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:16.800 the pastor and said, I'm in. He then gave his 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:18.960 life to Christ and he started going to church, and 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:23.879 then he became a pastor. And then he radically transformed 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:28.359 his family and turned himself into the police and said, 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.280 well this is before he became a pastor. Turned himself 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:31.720 into the police and said this is what I do. 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:34.400 And they said, we'll let you off if you rat 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:38.600 out all of your drugular buddies, and he said, I 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.639 can't do that because they'll kill my whole family. So 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:44.399 instead he opted to go to each of them and 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.440 ministered to them the Gospel. So he went to each 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.120 of the drug dealers and ministered and some of them 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.280 believed that's so cool and transformed. And then that then 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.040 led to his young kids growing up in the Word. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.600 And then now Daniels the pastor himself. That's awesome. That's 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.160 the kind of stories that you that are undeniable, Aaron. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.639 So just show up, no expectations, just show up with 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.040 your wife. Yeah, yeah, let's kid, let's take a break. 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:19.600 We'll be right back. Podcast is brought to you today 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.040 by Athletic Greens. I love me some Athletic Greens. 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