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<v Speaker 3>All right. Well, maybe I'm gonna kick things off with

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<v Speaker 3>some responses to our series on mud, Rob, do you

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<v Speaker 3>mind if I do this? One? From Lee Go for it, lisays, greetings, Rob, Joe,

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<v Speaker 3>and JJ. Your recent episodes on mud reminded me of

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of things from my childhood growing up in

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<v Speaker 3>rural Virginia. We had mud daubers. Oh yeah, we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about these in the episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Robbie.

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<v Speaker 3>You revealed the fact that I don't think I knew

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<v Speaker 3>this before, that these are parasitic wasps. The mud daubers

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<v Speaker 3>like they fill up their little mud sarcophag guy with

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<v Speaker 3>with like paralyzed dead spiders for their young defeat.

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<v Speaker 1>On yep, they got to bring the meat back for

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<v Speaker 1>the young.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Lee says, we often knocked the nests off the

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<v Speaker 3>underside of our porch and the rafters of our shed.

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<v Speaker 3>Several times during the summers, we'd have a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>fresh nests where the mud was still soft and damp.

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<v Speaker 3>They were constructed in courses not unlike a mud version

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<v Speaker 3>of three D printing. Interesting. I remember dismantling these nests

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<v Speaker 3>on occasion and separating out some of the sedated spiders

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<v Speaker 3>that had been imprisoned. While they did not revive, they

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<v Speaker 3>did move around some. I love the way Lee is

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<v Speaker 3>just painting a supervillain origin story flashback. It's like the

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<v Speaker 3>Joker as a child, you know, poking at paralyzed wasps. Anyway, another,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not hurting the spiders here. Yes, I should have

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<v Speaker 3>said spiders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's just observing, observing what the wasps have wrought.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's curiosity, that's nature. Another mud construction we

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<v Speaker 3>often saw were the chimneys built by crayfish in our yard.

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<v Speaker 3>They were in everyday occurrence during the summer since we

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<v Speaker 3>had a drainage creek in our yard. And then Lee

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<v Speaker 3>attaches a link to an article. I actually got very

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<v Speaker 3>interested in this, so I was looking for articles as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I dug up a post on an Ohio State University

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<v Speaker 3>blog maintained by a professor named Joe Boggs that seems

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<v Speaker 3>to have a lot to do with like gardening and stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is covering the topic of these burrowing crayfish

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<v Speaker 3>chimneys and rob I've attached a couple of pictures in

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<v Speaker 3>the document here for you to look at. So they yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>some people call them chimneys. They kind of look like

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<v Speaker 3>little mud volcano mounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I've definitely seen these before out and about.

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<v Speaker 1>They instantly recognize them. They stand out in the landscape.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I would recognized that this was made

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<v Speaker 3>by a crayfish. So, according to bogs you find crayfish

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<v Speaker 3>chimneys like this in kind of surprising locations, like I

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<v Speaker 3>would expect you'd see it on the banks of a stream,

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<v Speaker 3>like right there where the water is. But apparently they

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<v Speaker 3>can pop up in the middle of fields as long

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<v Speaker 3>as those fields are like poorly drained areas with a

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<v Speaker 3>high water table. Boggs writes quote. Burrowing crayfish in Ohio

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<v Speaker 3>belong to one of two genera in the family Cambaridi

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<v Speaker 3>Cambaras and Phalliccambarus. These land lobsters are sometimes referred to

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<v Speaker 3>as terrestrial crayfish, owing to their lack of a direct

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<v Speaker 3>connection to bodies of water. However, just like their aquatic cousins,

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<v Speaker 3>these crayfish use gills to extract oxygen from water. Unlike

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<v Speaker 3>their water soaked cousins, burrowing crayfish spend most of their

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<v Speaker 3>lives on land, so that's curious. They breathe water, but

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<v Speaker 3>they live on land. How does that work? Well, Apparently,

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<v Speaker 3>even though they're not living in the water, they access

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<v Speaker 3>water for the purpose of breathing, of obtaining oxygen by

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<v Speaker 3>digging down to the ground water. And that's why they

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<v Speaker 3>make these burrows in poorly drained areas, places with a

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<v Speaker 3>high water table. So these grayfish make these muddy burrows.

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<v Speaker 3>They dig them out with their claws and pile up

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<v Speaker 3>the mud around the entrances, and they usually leave their

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<v Speaker 3>burrows at night to forage for food. They're omnivorous, so

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<v Speaker 3>the menu includes basically whatever you got plant or animal,

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<v Speaker 3>living or dead. Whatever they can eat. And Boggs describes

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<v Speaker 3>how these chimneys can dry in the sun and become

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<v Speaker 3>very hard and brick like, which proves a big problem

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<v Speaker 3>when you hit one with a lawnmower.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, man, I bet yeah. I've never been in

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<v Speaker 1>a position to do that, but this is fascinating, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole idea about them. They are living on the land

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<v Speaker 1>but having to go down and find water in order

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<v Speaker 1>to breathe. They're basically reverse dolphins.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great, yeah, reverse yeah, reverse marine mammals. Anyway, Lee

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<v Speaker 3>says You're mention of safety films put me in mind

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<v Speaker 3>of the old driver's education films we were shown in

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<v Speaker 3>the classroom. Looking online, I found a couple of websites

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<v Speaker 3>as well as the Internet archive where some of these

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<v Speaker 3>can be found. And then Lee attaches some links along

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<v Speaker 3>with a trigger warning as some of these included pretty

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<v Speaker 3>gruesome crash footage. And then Lee says, I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>when exactly they stopped showing these films, but they were

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<v Speaker 3>alive and well when I was in high school Driver's

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<v Speaker 3>ED in the late seventies. Always look forward to the

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<v Speaker 3>next topic on tap from the Stuff to Blow your

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<v Speaker 3>mind team, Thank you sincerely, Lee. Well, thanks for the message, Lee,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember some incredibly cheesy videos that we had to

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<v Speaker 3>watch when I was in Driver's Ed. Also, the strange

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<v Speaker 3>thing is I remember like there were more films about

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<v Speaker 3>the dangers of drinking and driving than there were about

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<v Speaker 3>like how to drive a car. And I was just like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So like, assuming I'm not planning on drinking and driving anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>I could be getting a lot more out of this class. M.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I don't remember what I watched in

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<v Speaker 1>drivers at I simply watched something, but I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of these, Like basically, the only safety films

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen, aside from of course, Shake Hands with Danger

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<v Speaker 1>and what the aforementioned a forklift driver claus have been

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that have been featured as short sun Mystery

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<v Speaker 1>Science Theater three thousand in the past, and maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>few riff tracks here and there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's one I remember very vividly that is about how

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<v Speaker 3>even if you are old and you think that you

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<v Speaker 3>can handle your liquor because you've been drinking for many years,

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<v Speaker 3>you still are impaired after you drink. So it showed

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<v Speaker 3>a guy like drinking alcohol and then getting on a

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<v Speaker 3>golf cart and then driving the golf cart off the

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<v Speaker 3>golf pathway. Again, I think like most of the people

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<v Speaker 3>in this class were like fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's some confusing messaging. I shouldn't like. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that needs to be in a video aimed at like

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<v Speaker 1>older drivers or golfers. I don't know. All right, here's

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<v Speaker 1>another mud one. This one comes to us from Eric.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric says, Hi, Robin Joe, great episodes on mud and

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<v Speaker 1>mud related stuff. Regarding Arnold, one thing that occurred to

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<v Speaker 1>me years ago was not so much weather the mud

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about predator. By the way, of course, not

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<v Speaker 1>so much whether the mud would have hidden him from

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<v Speaker 1>the predator, but whether the predator's infrared vision would actually

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<v Speaker 1>work very well to detect warm blooded organisms in a

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<v Speaker 1>sweltering Central American jungle. What kind of temperature resolution does

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<v Speaker 1>the predator's vision have. Can he easily distinguish between the

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<v Speaker 1>ninety five degree ground and the ninety nine degree human?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess he can, because he did, right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is one that you know. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do a lot of deep, deep research into this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't rewatch the sequence, but one of the ride

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<v Speaker 1>ups that I was looking at was alluding to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that, Okay, the predator has natural infrared vision, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is not as focused and he had those some

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<v Speaker 1>of those technological filters we see, or about him better

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<v Speaker 1>adapting his already inhuman vision for this specialized terrestrial environment. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know exactly how the math would work out,

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<v Speaker 3>but I very much see Eric's point here. So they

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<v Speaker 3>specify in the movie that the predator comes to the

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<v Speaker 3>Central American jungle, which is going to be very hot

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<v Speaker 3>and very humid, So he's coming to a place with

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<v Speaker 3>high heat and high humidity. And they say that he

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<v Speaker 3>only comes in the hottest years. So that seems kind

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<v Speaker 3>of backwards, right, Wouldn't it be easier for him to

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<v Speaker 3>hunt to going to like the coldest place that humans are.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess he's not really here for an

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<v Speaker 1>easy time, though he's supposed to be. This the Challenge

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<v Speaker 1>super Warrior game Hunter, right. Yeah, so he's drawn to

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<v Speaker 1>places like the jungle daring, you know, some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a war environment. He's drawn to nineteen ninety No, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven Los Angeles. That was the future of

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles as presented in the nineteen ninety film Predator two.

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<v Speaker 3>Predator two, I recall they put like some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>color filter on that film that makes it look like

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<v Speaker 3>it's one hundred and forty eight degrees fahrenheit in Los Angeles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Like the sides of the buildings are vaguely red. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not sure how it actually matched up

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<v Speaker 1>to the summer of ninety seven off hand, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we were living in a pretty hot summer right now,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess they're just predators out there NonStop. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it may be too hot for him, Predator drops into

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<v Speaker 1>Phoenix and it's just like, I don't know, I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I can do this. I quit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Eric continues related to mud pots and mud volcanoes.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you might be interested to hear about the

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<v Speaker 1>only known moving mudpot in the world, located in California's

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<v Speaker 1>Imperial Valley, just north of Mexicali. Over the last few years,

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<v Speaker 1>this mud pot has traveled several miles, endangering an important

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<v Speaker 1>highway and a rail line. A possible cause is that

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<v Speaker 1>a hot spring deep underground is located under a large

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<v Speaker 1>rock plate that is slowly shifting due to the frequent

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<v Speaker 1>earthquakes in the area, So the spring is pushing hot

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<v Speaker 1>mud up at an angle that is gradually changing. The

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<v Speaker 1>area is rife with geothermal activity, including several geothermal power

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<v Speaker 1>generators and a burgeoning lithium and rare earth mud extraction industry.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is referring to the same moving mud

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<v Speaker 3>puddle that we talked about in was it the last

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<v Speaker 3>Listener Mail episode? I'm not sure, but in a recent one,

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<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I mean, I guess it would have to

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<v Speaker 3>be the same one, since there seems to only be

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<v Speaker 3>one moving mud puddle. So this is the nyland in

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<v Speaker 3>Ila and d mud puddle. Again, look that up if

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<v Speaker 3>you haven't seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Eric continues once more. Also related to your mention

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<v Speaker 1>of Dracula on the Moon, have you ever encountered the

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<v Speaker 1>webcomic Doctor mc ninja. It's weird and funny enough that

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<v Speaker 1>it might just strike your fancy. There is one issue

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<v Speaker 1>season question Mark, in which Doctor mc ninja battles Dracula,

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<v Speaker 1>who has a base on the moon. Incidentally, would vampires

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<v Speaker 1>be affected by exposure to vacuum? I don't think they

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<v Speaker 1>need to breathe, and thus they wouldn't risk rupturing their lungs,

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<v Speaker 1>and if they are exposed slowly, any gases in their

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<v Speaker 1>bodies would dissipate, so they would not swell up. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard the verb to vamp before. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>common parlance whether or not? I love it and I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to use it from now on. Thanks again

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<v Speaker 1>for your great work, Eric.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for the message. Eric, I thought vamp was a verb,

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<v Speaker 3>and not just in the musical sense. You know, when

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<v Speaker 3>you bite somebody turn them into a vampire, that's vamping them, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I don't think I made that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, known as dracking. I guess you could track. Yes, yeah, maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, just throwing that out there. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>familiar with doctor mc ninja, but anything with Dracula on

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<v Speaker 1>a moon base sounds good. As for the rule of

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<v Speaker 1>vampires in space, well, a lot of great minds have

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<v Speaker 1>have tackled this topic. But I guess a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it comes down to exactly what your slice of the

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<v Speaker 1>vampire myth or you know, some sort of speculative biology

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<v Speaker 1>is going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be very important. Question does Blade need to breathe oxygen?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he does? Doesn't he?

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<v Speaker 1>I believe so. I've never I don't remember ever seeing

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<v Speaker 1>anything that indicated he didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>No day walkers on the moon, but perhaps full undead.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, what sounds like we're already venturing into weird

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<v Speaker 1>house territory here. Do we have any weird House listener

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<v Speaker 1>mail to read?

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<v Speaker 3>Why? Yes, we have several here. Oh, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>read this one from Carrie. Carrie says Robin Joe. I've

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<v Speaker 3>gotten a bit behind on my listening, and I've just

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<v Speaker 3>finished the fourth episode on mud. You mentioned science fic

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<v Speaker 3>treatments of mud, but I don't think you mentioned X

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<v Speaker 3>the unknown and I wondered if you were aware of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a nineteen fifty six British movie that is all

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<v Speaker 3>about the mud. It's said in rural Scotland, and the

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<v Speaker 3>premise is that a large, deep crack appears suddenly in

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<v Speaker 3>the ground, and soon a huge, sentient, radioactive mass of mud,

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<v Speaker 3>a true mud monster comes and goes in and out

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<v Speaker 3>of the hole. It feeds on radioactive elements and grows

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<v Speaker 3>significantly every time it encounters some. Its nightly forays are

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<v Speaker 3>in search of food, and it causes death and destruction

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<v Speaker 3>along its path. Oh wow, I'm already seeing some parallels

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<v Speaker 3>to the burrowing crayfish here. You know, mound of mud

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<v Speaker 3>comes out of the earth, nocturnal foraging. Yeah, omnivorous carry

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<v Speaker 3>goes on. A scientist has to figure out a way

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<v Speaker 3>to defeat the monster before it can reach a nuclear

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<v Speaker 3>power plant and grow large enough to begin to take

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<v Speaker 3>over the world. I like the movie and feel it's

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<v Speaker 3>weird house cinema material, But even if you don't use it,

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<v Speaker 3>you should check it out out before if you haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>If you haven't seen it, thanks for the great work, Carrie. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, Carrie. I think you neglected to mention that

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<v Speaker 3>this is a Hammer film.

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<v Speaker 1>Always a good sign.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. It was written by Jimmy Sangster, the same guy

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<v Speaker 3>who wrote the original Hammer Dracula in nineteen fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>with Christopher Lee as DrAk and Peter Cushing is Van Helsing.

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<v Speaker 3>Also same guy wrote the nineteen fifty nine Hammer Mummy,

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<v Speaker 3>which starred Christopher Lee as the Mummy and Peter Cushing

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<v Speaker 3>as I don't know, some British guy who is opposed

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<v Speaker 3>by the Mummy, but that one is more notable to

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<v Speaker 3>me as a poster than as a film. The fifty

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<v Speaker 3>nine Mummy has a really great poster where like a

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<v Speaker 3>police officer is shining a flashlight at the Mummy's back

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<v Speaker 3>and it pierces through the Mummy as if it were

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<v Speaker 3>a shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great poster. I'm not even looking at it

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<v Speaker 1>right now, and I can I remember it clearly in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hanging next to me on the wall right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of posters, extually unknown, I looked up the poster.

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<v Speaker 3>It has a very unusual looking poster. I don't feel

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<v Speaker 3>like the color scheme makes a lot of sense. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like a red, white and blue color scheme. I just

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's not the palette for a horror poster.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, yeah, I know what you mean. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is when like the title doesn't really get give

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<v Speaker 1>me much to go on. It certainly doesn't say anything

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<v Speaker 1>about in mud. There's nothing on the on the poster

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<v Speaker 1>that really calls out to me. I had to look

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<v Speaker 1>this one up. It sounds like it was at some

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<v Speaker 1>point going to be a quarter Mass picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a whole, you know, franchise of films

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<v Speaker 1>about Professor Bernard quarter Mass, and I haven't seen most

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and I haven't seen them the TV series,

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<v Speaker 1>but quarter Mass in the Pit from sixty seven is great.

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<v Speaker 1>So at some point it would be interesting to come

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<v Speaker 1>in and watch either a quarter Mass film or one

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<v Speaker 1>of these sort of related films in this genre. Rob.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to note because I think I spent my

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<v Speaker 3>entire life saying quarter but when I zoom in on

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<v Speaker 3>the word, it appears it is quator mass.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quator mass.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, quator Mass. I mean I've said quarter

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<v Speaker 3>Mass probably a million times.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. I've just been seeing that Invisible are in there

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<v Speaker 1>full time? Okay, quator Mass in the Pit. If you

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<v Speaker 1>will I will get it right if if we do

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<v Speaker 1>one of these films speaking of British franchises and mud monsters.

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<v Speaker 1>I do, and also mention real quick that Susan in

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<v Speaker 1>the Stuff to Blow your Mind discussion module, which you

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<v Speaker 1>can join as well if you just shoot us an

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<v Speaker 1>email we'll send to the information about how to join,

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<v Speaker 1>points out that one of the recent seasons of Doctor Who,

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<v Speaker 1>I think series eleven, had some sort of mud monsters

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<v Speaker 1>running about, So so Doctor Who fans out there, we

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<v Speaker 1>are now aware.

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Who has a lot of monsters. That would be

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<v Speaker 3>a really rich well if I knew it. But I've

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<v Speaker 3>only seen a very little bit of Doctor Who, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm mostly ignorant on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Same. I dip into it a little bit every

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<v Speaker 1>now and then when I visit my wife's uncle and aunt,

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<v Speaker 1>who were big Doctor Who fans, and I'll watch a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of old Doctor Who. Usually there was the

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<v Speaker 1>really old stuff, And I'm really not up on the

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<v Speaker 1>more recent adventures, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It does look like a lot of fun. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I'll get in there one day.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here's another one. This one comes to us

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<v Speaker 1>from Aldrin. Aldrin writes Sen and says, hi, Robert and

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<v Speaker 1>Joe wonderful episode on Pirana Mandir loved it. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember if I've ever watched this movie. As a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>we used to watch a lot of Bollywood movies, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were typically love romances with some drama. The horror

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<v Speaker 1>genre was not mainstream at the time, so I probably

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<v Speaker 1>missed this movie. Wanted to say a couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>in general. Number one, like you mentioned, almost all of

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<v Speaker 1>these movies had to have a few musical numbers. Some

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<v Speaker 1>movies even had a very feeble story and only the

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<v Speaker 1>songs were what attracted audiences. Songs were almost never sung

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<v Speaker 1>by the actors, but by actual solo singers. The those

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<v Speaker 1>singers would often have very successful careers as a solo artist,

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<v Speaker 1>singing for numerous movies. We would even have MTV type

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<v Speaker 1>programs with just the musical sequences from the movies. Huh.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting Now, the next point, Aldrin shares is interesting because

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<v Speaker 3>we were asking for Hindi speakers to weigh in on this.

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<v Speaker 3>In the movie, there was something that in the subtitles

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<v Speaker 3>kept being translated as Satan, but the religious context of

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<v Speaker 3>the movie is Hindu and so and also I thought

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<v Speaker 3>I heard in the in the Hindi audio people saying

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<v Speaker 3>a word that sounded like shaitan or something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we were asking, what is the significance of

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<v Speaker 3>this word in the cultural context, Like it probably wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>mean exactly the Christian Satan, So like, what is it

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<v Speaker 3>they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And so Aldrin writes about the words chaetan. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as I know, this means devil. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it refers to Satan unless they are etymologically derived from

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. Chaetan is the word often used to

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<v Speaker 1>admonish mischievous children, so its meaning is more towards devil

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<v Speaker 1>than satan. Just wanted to point it out. Love your podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Keep rocking tears, Aldron.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, thank you very much, Aldrin. Okay, so that makes sense,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you would admonish unruly children by calling them

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<v Speaker 3>little chatans like they're being little demons, they're being a

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<v Speaker 3>little imps, that would make sense that it means more

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<v Speaker 3>just like a wicked creature, wicked spirit of some kind. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks again, Aldron. All right, I'm gonna finish us off

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<v Speaker 3>today with this message from Joe also about Pirana Mandir.

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<v Speaker 3>This is from Joe. That's just Jo not Joe, Joe

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<v Speaker 3>says Joe and Robert. In the Weird House episode of

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<v Speaker 3>Piranha Mandir, you mentioned that the characters would say a

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<v Speaker 3>line in Hindi then repeat it in English, and wondered

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<v Speaker 3>if it was a cultural thing. In my experience, it

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<v Speaker 3>is a bilingual slash multi lingual quirk. Malaysians speak anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>from two to six languages, and it is not uncommon

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<v Speaker 3>for us to say something then repeat it in several

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<v Speaker 3>other languages for emphasis or comedic effect. The same appears

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<v Speaker 3>to be true in Singapore, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that makes sense. Oh but interestingly, Joe then pivots here

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<v Speaker 3>to some responses to our dream Fall series. Oh nice,

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<v Speaker 3>she says. On another note, I learned to lucid dream

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<v Speaker 3>as a teen in order to escape frequent nightmares. However,

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<v Speaker 3>realizing that you're in a dream and actually waking up

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<v Speaker 3>or two vastly different things. I've gotten trapped inside my

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<v Speaker 3>nightmares before, knowing for sure that it was not reality.

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<v Speaker 3>But every time I tried to wake up, I'd sit

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<v Speaker 3>up in my bed and realize I was still asleep

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<v Speaker 3>because of some detail that was out of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>I e.

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<v Speaker 3>The furniture was wrong. It was the wrong bedroom. I

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<v Speaker 3>was holding something that I don't usually bring to bed,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera. It usually me a few tries to actually

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<v Speaker 3>wake up, and the sensation was like fighting through mud

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<v Speaker 3>or trying to swim against a strong current of water.

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<v Speaker 3>Although I dreamt less and less as I got older,

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<v Speaker 3>and now I rarely recall my dreams, the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>wake myself up whenever I want has proved handy a

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<v Speaker 3>few times. And then finally, Joe ins with a reference

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<v Speaker 3>to the Butterfly dream poem by juang Zhou and a

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<v Speaker 3>meme about it, which is, I don't know what do

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<v Speaker 3>you call this meme? The guy like releasing a butterfly

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<v Speaker 3>or gesturing toward a butterfly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know exactly what you call it in

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like memology, I guess, But you see this

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<v Speaker 1>one a lot, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We got the labels one is I guess. Sometimes this

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<v Speaker 3>guy's name is pronounced different ways. Sometimes it's Zwangzi. I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard it juang Zhou, So you got Zwangzi or juang Zhou.

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<v Speaker 3>And then a butterfly labeled as a butterfly, And then

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom text is this a man? Joe finishes mud

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<v Speaker 3>love a butterfly dreaming of being Joe. Well, thanks for

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<v Speaker 3>the email, Joe. And you know what, this made me think?

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<v Speaker 3>That the Butterfly Dream is one of those literary objects

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<v Speaker 3>that I am very familiar with in principle, but not

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<v Speaker 3>actually in text. I don't know if I'd ever read

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<v Speaker 3>the original text of it, so I decided to look

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<v Speaker 3>up a translation of the original text. So the Butterfly

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<v Speaker 3>Dream Passage attributed to a traditional Chinese author named Chuangzhou.

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<v Speaker 3>It is from a Chinese text dating back to the

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<v Speaker 3>Warring States period. I think it's usually placed in the

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<v Speaker 3>third century BCE, and the text is usually just referred

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<v Speaker 3>to eponymously by the author's name, so it's known as

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<v Speaker 3>the Xuangzhou or the Zwangzi, and it is a book

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<v Speaker 3>of Taoist wisdom, containing a bunch of anecdotes and parables

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<v Speaker 3>that demonstrate the ideal Taoist way of seeing the world.

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<v Speaker 3>So I wanted to start by reading the translation of

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<v Speaker 3>the Butterfly Passage by Burton Watson, which goes like this,

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<v Speaker 3>Once Juangzhou dreamt he was a butterfly, butterfly flitting and

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<v Speaker 3>fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't know he was huang Zhou. Suddenly he woke

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<v Speaker 3>up and there he was solid and unmistakable Chuangzhou. But

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't know if he was juang Zhou. Who had

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<v Speaker 3>dreamt he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he

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<v Speaker 3>was juang Zhou. Between Juangzhou and a butterfly, there must

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<v Speaker 3>be some distinction. This is called the transformation of things.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that last little line that like gives some terminology.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an interesting idea of sort of like intellectual completeness

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<v Speaker 3>on it. Added by that sentence, I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I feel like seen this form in

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese writing before. I'm not sure exactly what to call

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<v Speaker 1>this style, but it is familiar.

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<v Speaker 3>But anyway, while I was looking at the Burton Watson

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<v Speaker 3>translation of various passages in this text, I came across

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<v Speaker 3>another one that I thought was really interesting, And I

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<v Speaker 3>think we may have alluded to part of to a

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<v Speaker 3>story discussed in this passage before. Maybe when we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about the Hundun the in the episodes we did on

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<v Speaker 3>the Classic of Mountains and Seas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, we did talk about this a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's been a wha.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, allow me to read this passage. If you don't mind,

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<v Speaker 3>go for it. Do not be an embody or of fame.

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<v Speaker 3>Do not be a storehouse of schemes. Do not be

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<v Speaker 3>an undertaker of projects. Do not be a proprietor of wisdom.

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<v Speaker 3>Embody to the fullest what has no end, and wander

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<v Speaker 3>where there is no trail. Hold on to all that

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<v Speaker 3>you have received from heaven. But do not think you

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<v Speaker 3>have gotten anything. Be empty. That is all. The perfect

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<v Speaker 3>man uses his mind like a mirror, going after nothing,

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<v Speaker 3>welcoming nothing, responding but not storing. Therefore he can win

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<v Speaker 3>out over things and not hurt himself. And then it

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<v Speaker 3>transitions to a little narrow It says the emperor of

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<v Speaker 3>the South Sea was called Sho, meaning briefor the emperor

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<v Speaker 3>of the North Sea was called Who, meaning sudden, and

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<v Speaker 3>the emperor of the Central region was called Hondun Chaos

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<v Speaker 3>Shoe and Who. From time to time came together for

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<v Speaker 3>a meeting in the territory of Hondun, and Hondun treated

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<v Speaker 3>them very generously. Shoe and Who discussed how they could

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<v Speaker 3>repay his kindness. All men, they said, have seven openings,

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<v Speaker 3>so they can see here, eat and breathe. But Houndun

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<v Speaker 3>alone doesn't have any let's try boring him some every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I should I should jump in here for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>And just if you're not familar with this story, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hondun is often depicted. It's kind of this amorphous, fleshy creature. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a quadrupedal creature. So I think it helps to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of picture something like that before we get to the

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<v Speaker 1>actual boring of the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the last line is every day they bored another hole,

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<v Speaker 3>and on the seven, the day Hondun died. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Houndun is this creature without any without a face, without

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<v Speaker 3>any holes that they bore all the holes in him.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think it is supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 3>lesson against trying to over engineer your will on the

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<v Speaker 3>way of things, and instead you should sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>let things be according to their nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I guess you could take this into the

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<v Speaker 1>future and like kind of kind of like transhuman direction

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, if someone comes along and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>we need more sensory inputs for human beings, well remind

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<v Speaker 1>them of this story in which case, in which case,

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<v Speaker 1>the poor Hundun died because they tried to they thought

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<v Speaker 1>it needed more sensory inputs.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was in the episode on the Classic

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<v Speaker 3>of the Mountains and Seas that am I getting the

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<v Speaker 3>name of that right? That was the name of that

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<v Speaker 3>text I talked of it. Yeah, the illustration in the

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<v Speaker 3>text we had of the Honduan where it looked kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like a like a cushion with legs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. And also, by the way, you see this

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<v Speaker 1>basic creature design pop up in the Marvel of the

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<v Speaker 1>shun Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good one. I highly recommend that one one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite NCU films that has come out.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be tempted by any movie that has a

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<v Speaker 3>hond doing next Predator franchise film Predator versus Hondown.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, don't throw the Honduan against the against the Predator.

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