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Yeah, let's let's let's start getting into that mailbag. 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: All right. Well, maybe I'm gonna kick things off with 48 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: some responses to our series on mud, Rob, do you 49 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: mind if I do this? One? From Lee Go for it, lisays, greetings, Rob, Joe, 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 3: and JJ. Your recent episodes on mud reminded me of 51 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: a couple of things from my childhood growing up in 52 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 3: rural Virginia. We had mud daubers. Oh yeah, we talked 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: about these in the episodes. 54 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: Robbie. 55 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 3: You revealed the fact that I don't think I knew 56 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 3: this before, that these are parasitic wasps. The mud daubers 57 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: like they fill up their little mud sarcophag guy with 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 3: with like paralyzed dead spiders for their young defeat. 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: On yep, they got to bring the meat back for 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: the young. 61 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: Well, Lee says, we often knocked the nests off the 62 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 3: underside of our porch and the rafters of our shed. 63 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: Several times during the summers, we'd have a couple of 64 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: fresh nests where the mud was still soft and damp. 65 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 3: They were constructed in courses not unlike a mud version 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: of three D printing. Interesting. I remember dismantling these nests 67 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: on occasion and separating out some of the sedated spiders 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: that had been imprisoned. While they did not revive, they 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: did move around some. I love the way Lee is 70 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 3: just painting a supervillain origin story flashback. It's like the 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: Joker as a child, you know, poking at paralyzed wasps. Anyway, another, 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: he's not hurting the spiders here. Yes, I should have 73 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: said spiders. 74 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just observing, observing what the wasps have wrought. 75 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: That's right, that's curiosity, that's nature. Another mud construction we 76 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: often saw were the chimneys built by crayfish in our yard. 77 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 3: They were in everyday occurrence during the summer since we 78 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: had a drainage creek in our yard. And then Lee 79 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: attaches a link to an article. I actually got very 80 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 3: interested in this, so I was looking for articles as well. 81 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: I dug up a post on an Ohio State University 82 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: blog maintained by a professor named Joe Boggs that seems 83 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 3: to have a lot to do with like gardening and stuff, 84 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: but it is covering the topic of these burrowing crayfish 85 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: chimneys and rob I've attached a couple of pictures in 86 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: the document here for you to look at. So they yeah, 87 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: some people call them chimneys. They kind of look like 88 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: little mud volcano mounds. 89 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I've definitely seen these before out and about. 90 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: They instantly recognize them. They stand out in the landscape. 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: I don't think I would recognized that this was made 92 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: by a crayfish. So, according to bogs you find crayfish 93 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 3: chimneys like this in kind of surprising locations, like I 94 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: would expect you'd see it on the banks of a stream, 95 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: like right there where the water is. But apparently they 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: can pop up in the middle of fields as long 97 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: as those fields are like poorly drained areas with a 98 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: high water table. Boggs writes quote. Burrowing crayfish in Ohio 99 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 3: belong to one of two genera in the family Cambaridi 100 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: Cambaras and Phalliccambarus. These land lobsters are sometimes referred to 101 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: as terrestrial crayfish, owing to their lack of a direct 102 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: connection to bodies of water. However, just like their aquatic cousins, 103 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: these crayfish use gills to extract oxygen from water. Unlike 104 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: their water soaked cousins, burrowing crayfish spend most of their 105 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 3: lives on land, so that's curious. They breathe water, but 106 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: they live on land. How does that work? Well, Apparently, 107 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 3: even though they're not living in the water, they access 108 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: water for the purpose of breathing, of obtaining oxygen by 109 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: digging down to the ground water. And that's why they 110 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: make these burrows in poorly drained areas, places with a 111 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: high water table. So these grayfish make these muddy burrows. 112 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: They dig them out with their claws and pile up 113 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 3: the mud around the entrances, and they usually leave their 114 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 3: burrows at night to forage for food. They're omnivorous, so 115 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 3: the menu includes basically whatever you got plant or animal, 116 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 3: living or dead. Whatever they can eat. And Boggs describes 117 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: how these chimneys can dry in the sun and become 118 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: very hard and brick like, which proves a big problem 119 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: when you hit one with a lawnmower. 120 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: Oh oh, man, I bet yeah. I've never been in 121 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: a position to do that, but this is fascinating, the 122 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: whole idea about them. They are living on the land 123 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: but having to go down and find water in order 124 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: to breathe. They're basically reverse dolphins. 125 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: That's great, yeah, reverse yeah, reverse marine mammals. Anyway, Lee 126 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 3: says You're mention of safety films put me in mind 127 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: of the old driver's education films we were shown in 128 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: the classroom. Looking online, I found a couple of websites 129 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: as well as the Internet archive where some of these 130 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: can be found. And then Lee attaches some links along 131 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 3: with a trigger warning as some of these included pretty 132 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: gruesome crash footage. And then Lee says, I don't know 133 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: when exactly they stopped showing these films, but they were 134 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: alive and well when I was in high school Driver's 135 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: ED in the late seventies. Always look forward to the 136 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: next topic on tap from the Stuff to Blow your 137 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: mind team, Thank you sincerely, Lee. Well, thanks for the message, Lee, 138 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: I remember some incredibly cheesy videos that we had to 139 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: watch when I was in Driver's Ed. Also, the strange 140 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: thing is I remember like there were more films about 141 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: the dangers of drinking and driving than there were about 142 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: like how to drive a car. And I was just like, okay, 143 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: So like, assuming I'm not planning on drinking and driving anyway, 144 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: I could be getting a lot more out of this class. M. 145 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't remember what I watched in 146 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: drivers at I simply watched something, but I haven't seen 147 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these, Like basically, the only safety films 148 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I've seen, aside from of course, Shake Hands with Danger 149 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: and what the aforementioned a forklift driver claus have been 150 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: the ones that have been featured as short sun Mystery 151 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: Science Theater three thousand in the past, and maybe a 152 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: few riff tracks here and there. 153 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 3: There's one I remember very vividly that is about how 154 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 3: even if you are old and you think that you 155 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: can handle your liquor because you've been drinking for many years, 156 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 3: you still are impaired after you drink. So it showed 157 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 3: a guy like drinking alcohol and then getting on a 158 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 3: golf cart and then driving the golf cart off the 159 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: golf pathway. Again, I think like most of the people 160 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: in this class were like fifteen. 161 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's some confusing messaging. I shouldn't like. Maybe 162 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: that needs to be in a video aimed at like 163 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: older drivers or golfers. I don't know. All right, here's 164 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: another mud one. This one comes to us from Eric. 165 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: Eric says, Hi, Robin Joe, great episodes on mud and 166 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: mud related stuff. Regarding Arnold, one thing that occurred to 167 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: me years ago was not so much weather the mud 168 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about predator. By the way, of course, not 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: so much whether the mud would have hidden him from 170 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: the predator, but whether the predator's infrared vision would actually 171 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: work very well to detect warm blooded organisms in a 172 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: sweltering Central American jungle. What kind of temperature resolution does 173 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: the predator's vision have. Can he easily distinguish between the 174 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: ninety five degree ground and the ninety nine degree human? 175 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: I guess he can, because he did, right. 176 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: This is a great question. 177 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is one that you know. I didn't 178 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: do a lot of deep, deep research into this, and 179 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: I didn't rewatch the sequence, but one of the ride 180 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: ups that I was looking at was alluding to the 181 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: fact that, Okay, the predator has natural infrared vision, but 182 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: it is not as focused and he had those some 183 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: of those technological filters we see, or about him better 184 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: adapting his already inhuman vision for this specialized terrestrial environment. Yeah. 185 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: I don't know exactly how the math would work out, 186 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 3: but I very much see Eric's point here. So they 187 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: specify in the movie that the predator comes to the 188 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: Central American jungle, which is going to be very hot 189 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 3: and very humid, So he's coming to a place with 190 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 3: high heat and high humidity. And they say that he 191 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: only comes in the hottest years. So that seems kind 192 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: of backwards, right, Wouldn't it be easier for him to 193 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 3: hunt to going to like the coldest place that humans are. 194 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he's not really here for an 195 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: easy time, though he's supposed to be. This the Challenge 196 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: super Warrior game Hunter, right. Yeah, so he's drawn to 197 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 1: places like the jungle daring, you know, some sort of 198 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: a war environment. He's drawn to nineteen ninety No, I'm sorry, 199 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven Los Angeles. That was the future of 200 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: Los Angeles as presented in the nineteen ninety film Predator two. 201 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: Predator two, I recall they put like some kind of 202 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: color filter on that film that makes it look like 203 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: it's one hundred and forty eight degrees fahrenheit in Los Angeles. Yeah, 204 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: Like the sides of the buildings are vaguely red. Yeah. 205 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure how it actually matched up 206 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: to the summer of ninety seven off hand, but I mean, 207 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: we were living in a pretty hot summer right now, 208 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: So I guess they're just predators out there NonStop. Yeah, 209 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: it may be too hot for him, Predator drops into 210 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: Phoenix and it's just like, I don't know, I just 211 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: don't know if I can do this. I quit. 212 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 213 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: Anyway, Eric continues related to mud pots and mud volcanoes. 214 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: I thought you might be interested to hear about the 215 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: only known moving mudpot in the world, located in California's 216 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Imperial Valley, just north of Mexicali. Over the last few years, 217 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: this mud pot has traveled several miles, endangering an important 218 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: highway and a rail line. A possible cause is that 219 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: a hot spring deep underground is located under a large 220 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: rock plate that is slowly shifting due to the frequent 221 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: earthquakes in the area, So the spring is pushing hot 222 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: mud up at an angle that is gradually changing. The 223 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: area is rife with geothermal activity, including several geothermal power 224 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: generators and a burgeoning lithium and rare earth mud extraction industry. 225 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: I think this is referring to the same moving mud 226 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: puddle that we talked about in was it the last 227 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: Listener Mail episode? I'm not sure, but in a recent one, 228 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean, I guess it would have to 229 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: be the same one, since there seems to only be 230 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: one moving mud puddle. So this is the nyland in 231 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: Ila and d mud puddle. Again, look that up if 232 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: you haven't seen it. 233 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: And Eric continues once more. Also related to your mention 234 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: of Dracula on the Moon, have you ever encountered the 235 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: webcomic Doctor mc ninja. It's weird and funny enough that 236 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: it might just strike your fancy. There is one issue 237 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: season question Mark, in which Doctor mc ninja battles Dracula, 238 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: who has a base on the moon. Incidentally, would vampires 239 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 1: be affected by exposure to vacuum? I don't think they 240 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: need to breathe, and thus they wouldn't risk rupturing their lungs, 241 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: and if they are exposed slowly, any gases in their 242 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: bodies would dissipate, so they would not swell up. Also, 243 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: I've never heard the verb to vamp before. Is that 244 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: common parlance whether or not? I love it and I 245 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: am going to use it from now on. Thanks again 246 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: for your great work, Eric. 247 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: Thanks for the message. Eric, I thought vamp was a verb, 248 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 3: and not just in the musical sense. You know, when 249 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: you bite somebody turn them into a vampire, that's vamping them, right? 250 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: Yeah? 251 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think I made that up. 252 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: Also, known as dracking. I guess you could track. Yes, yeah, maybe, 253 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, just throwing that out there. I'm not 254 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: familiar with doctor mc ninja, but anything with Dracula on 255 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 1: a moon base sounds good. As for the rule of 256 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: vampires in space, well, a lot of great minds have 257 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: have tackled this topic. But I guess a lot of 258 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: it comes down to exactly what your slice of the 259 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: vampire myth or you know, some sort of speculative biology 260 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: is going to. 261 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 3: Be very important. Question does Blade need to breathe oxygen? 262 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: I think he does? Doesn't he? 263 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: I believe so. I've never I don't remember ever seeing 264 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: anything that indicated he didn't. 265 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: No day walkers on the moon, but perhaps full undead. 266 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: All right, what sounds like we're already venturing into weird 267 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: house territory here. Do we have any weird House listener 268 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: mail to read? 269 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: Why? Yes, we have several here. Oh, I'm going to 270 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: read this one from Carrie. Carrie says Robin Joe. I've 271 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: gotten a bit behind on my listening, and I've just 272 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: finished the fourth episode on mud. You mentioned science fic 273 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: treatments of mud, but I don't think you mentioned X 274 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: the unknown and I wondered if you were aware of it. 275 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: It's a nineteen fifty six British movie that is all 276 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: about the mud. It's said in rural Scotland, and the 277 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: premise is that a large, deep crack appears suddenly in 278 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: the ground, and soon a huge, sentient, radioactive mass of mud, 279 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: a true mud monster comes and goes in and out 280 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: of the hole. It feeds on radioactive elements and grows 281 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: significantly every time it encounters some. Its nightly forays are 282 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: in search of food, and it causes death and destruction 283 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: along its path. Oh wow, I'm already seeing some parallels 284 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: to the burrowing crayfish here. You know, mound of mud 285 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: comes out of the earth, nocturnal foraging. Yeah, omnivorous carry 286 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: goes on. A scientist has to figure out a way 287 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: to defeat the monster before it can reach a nuclear 288 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: power plant and grow large enough to begin to take 289 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: over the world. I like the movie and feel it's 290 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: weird house cinema material, But even if you don't use it, 291 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: you should check it out out before if you haven't. 292 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it, thanks for the great work, Carrie. Well, 293 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: thank you, Carrie. I think you neglected to mention that 294 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: this is a Hammer film. 295 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: Always a good sign. 296 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. It was written by Jimmy Sangster, the same guy 297 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: who wrote the original Hammer Dracula in nineteen fifty eight, 298 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: with Christopher Lee as DrAk and Peter Cushing is Van Helsing. 299 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 3: Also same guy wrote the nineteen fifty nine Hammer Mummy, 300 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 3: which starred Christopher Lee as the Mummy and Peter Cushing 301 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: as I don't know, some British guy who is opposed 302 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: by the Mummy, but that one is more notable to 303 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: me as a poster than as a film. The fifty 304 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: nine Mummy has a really great poster where like a 305 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: police officer is shining a flashlight at the Mummy's back 306 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 3: and it pierces through the Mummy as if it were 307 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: a shadow. 308 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: That's a great poster. I'm not even looking at it 309 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: right now, and I can I remember it clearly in 310 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: my mind. 311 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: It's hanging next to me on the wall right now. 312 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: Speaking of posters, extually unknown, I looked up the poster. 313 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 3: It has a very unusual looking poster. I don't feel 314 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: like the color scheme makes a lot of sense. It's 315 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 3: like a red, white and blue color scheme. I just 316 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: that's that's not the palette for a horror poster. 317 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: Hmmm, yeah, I know what you mean. And I think 318 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: this is when like the title doesn't really get give 319 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: me much to go on. It certainly doesn't say anything 320 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: about in mud. There's nothing on the on the poster 321 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: that really calls out to me. I had to look 322 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: this one up. It sounds like it was at some 323 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: point going to be a quarter Mass picture. 324 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. 325 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: This is like a whole, you know, franchise of films 326 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: about Professor Bernard quarter Mass, and I haven't seen most 327 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: of them, and I haven't seen them the TV series, 328 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: but quarter Mass in the Pit from sixty seven is great. 329 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: So at some point it would be interesting to come 330 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: in and watch either a quarter Mass film or one 331 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: of these sort of related films in this genre. Rob. 332 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 3: I have to note because I think I spent my 333 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: entire life saying quarter but when I zoom in on 334 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: the word, it appears it is quator mass. 335 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: It's quator mass. 336 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, quator Mass. I mean I've said quarter 337 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 3: Mass probably a million times. 338 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: Yep. I've just been seeing that Invisible are in there 339 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: full time? Okay, quator Mass in the Pit. If you 340 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: will I will get it right if if we do 341 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: one of these films speaking of British franchises and mud monsters. 342 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: I do, and also mention real quick that Susan in 343 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: the Stuff to Blow your Mind discussion module, which you 344 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: can join as well if you just shoot us an 345 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: email we'll send to the information about how to join, 346 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: points out that one of the recent seasons of Doctor Who, 347 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: I think series eleven, had some sort of mud monsters 348 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: running about, So so Doctor Who fans out there, we 349 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: are now aware. 350 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 3: Doctor Who has a lot of monsters. That would be 351 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: a really rich well if I knew it. But I've 352 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 3: only seen a very little bit of Doctor Who, so 353 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 3: I'm mostly ignorant on that. 354 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Same. I dip into it a little bit every 355 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: now and then when I visit my wife's uncle and aunt, 356 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: who were big Doctor Who fans, and I'll watch a 357 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: little bit of old Doctor Who. Usually there was the 358 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: really old stuff, And I'm really not up on the 359 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: more recent adventures, but. 360 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: It does look like a lot of fun. Maybe maybe 361 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: I'll get in there one day. 362 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: All right, here's another one. This one comes to us 363 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: from Aldrin. Aldrin writes Sen and says, hi, Robert and 364 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Joe wonderful episode on Pirana Mandir loved it. I can't 365 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: remember if I've ever watched this movie. As a kid, 366 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: we used to watch a lot of Bollywood movies, but 367 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: they were typically love romances with some drama. The horror 368 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: genre was not mainstream at the time, so I probably 369 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: missed this movie. Wanted to say a couple of things 370 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: in general. Number one, like you mentioned, almost all of 371 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: these movies had to have a few musical numbers. Some 372 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: movies even had a very feeble story and only the 373 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: songs were what attracted audiences. Songs were almost never sung 374 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: by the actors, but by actual solo singers. The those 375 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: singers would often have very successful careers as a solo artist, 376 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: singing for numerous movies. We would even have MTV type 377 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: programs with just the musical sequences from the movies. Huh. 378 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: Interesting Now, the next point, Aldrin shares is interesting because 379 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: we were asking for Hindi speakers to weigh in on this. 380 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 3: In the movie, there was something that in the subtitles 381 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 3: kept being translated as Satan, but the religious context of 382 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: the movie is Hindu and so and also I thought 383 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: I heard in the in the Hindi audio people saying 384 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 3: a word that sounded like shaitan or something like that, 385 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 3: and so we were asking, what is the significance of 386 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 3: this word in the cultural context, Like it probably wouldn't 387 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 3: mean exactly the Christian Satan, So like, what is it 388 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: they're talking about. 389 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: Right, And so Aldrin writes about the words chaetan. As 390 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: far as I know, this means devil. I don't think 391 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: it refers to Satan unless they are etymologically derived from 392 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: the same thing. Chaetan is the word often used to 393 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: admonish mischievous children, so its meaning is more towards devil 394 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: than satan. Just wanted to point it out. Love your podcast, 395 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: Keep rocking tears, Aldron. 396 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much, Aldrin. Okay, so that makes sense, 397 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 3: Like if you would admonish unruly children by calling them 398 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 3: little chatans like they're being little demons, they're being a 399 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: little imps, that would make sense that it means more 400 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: just like a wicked creature, wicked spirit of some kind. Yeah, well, 401 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: thanks again, Aldron. All right, I'm gonna finish us off 402 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 3: today with this message from Joe also about Pirana Mandir. 403 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 3: This is from Joe. That's just Jo not Joe, Joe 404 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 3: says Joe and Robert. In the Weird House episode of 405 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: Piranha Mandir, you mentioned that the characters would say a 406 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: line in Hindi then repeat it in English, and wondered 407 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: if it was a cultural thing. In my experience, it 408 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 3: is a bilingual slash multi lingual quirk. Malaysians speak anywhere 409 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 3: from two to six languages, and it is not uncommon 410 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: for us to say something then repeat it in several 411 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 3: other languages for emphasis or comedic effect. The same appears 412 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 3: to be true in Singapore, Indonesia, and the Philippines. Oh okay, 413 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 3: that makes sense. Oh but interestingly, Joe then pivots here 414 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 3: to some responses to our dream Fall series. Oh nice, 415 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 3: she says. On another note, I learned to lucid dream 416 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 3: as a teen in order to escape frequent nightmares. However, 417 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: realizing that you're in a dream and actually waking up 418 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: or two vastly different things. I've gotten trapped inside my 419 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 3: nightmares before, knowing for sure that it was not reality. 420 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 3: But every time I tried to wake up, I'd sit 421 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: up in my bed and realize I was still asleep 422 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 3: because of some detail that was out of sorts. 423 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: I e. 424 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 3: The furniture was wrong. It was the wrong bedroom. I 425 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 3: was holding something that I don't usually bring to bed, 426 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: et cetera. It usually me a few tries to actually 427 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: wake up, and the sensation was like fighting through mud 428 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: or trying to swim against a strong current of water. 429 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: Although I dreamt less and less as I got older, 430 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: and now I rarely recall my dreams, the ability to 431 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: wake myself up whenever I want has proved handy a 432 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: few times. And then finally, Joe ins with a reference 433 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 3: to the Butterfly dream poem by juang Zhou and a 434 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 3: meme about it, which is, I don't know what do 435 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: you call this meme? The guy like releasing a butterfly 436 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 3: or gesturing toward a butterfly. 437 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know exactly what you call it in 438 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: sort of like memology, I guess, But you see this 439 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: one a lot, and. 440 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 3: We got the labels one is I guess. Sometimes this 441 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: guy's name is pronounced different ways. Sometimes it's Zwangzi. I've 442 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 3: heard it juang Zhou, So you got Zwangzi or juang Zhou. 443 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: And then a butterfly labeled as a butterfly, And then 444 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 3: the bottom text is this a man? Joe finishes mud 445 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 3: love a butterfly dreaming of being Joe. Well, thanks for 446 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 3: the email, Joe. And you know what, this made me think? 447 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: That the Butterfly Dream is one of those literary objects 448 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: that I am very familiar with in principle, but not 449 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: actually in text. I don't know if I'd ever read 450 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 3: the original text of it, so I decided to look 451 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 3: up a translation of the original text. So the Butterfly 452 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 3: Dream Passage attributed to a traditional Chinese author named Chuangzhou. 453 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 3: It is from a Chinese text dating back to the 454 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: Warring States period. I think it's usually placed in the 455 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 3: third century BCE, and the text is usually just referred 456 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 3: to eponymously by the author's name, so it's known as 457 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 3: the Xuangzhou or the Zwangzi, and it is a book 458 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 3: of Taoist wisdom, containing a bunch of anecdotes and parables 459 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 3: that demonstrate the ideal Taoist way of seeing the world. 460 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: So I wanted to start by reading the translation of 461 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 3: the Butterfly Passage by Burton Watson, which goes like this, 462 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: Once Juangzhou dreamt he was a butterfly, butterfly flitting and 463 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 3: fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. 464 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: He didn't know he was huang Zhou. Suddenly he woke 465 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 3: up and there he was solid and unmistakable Chuangzhou. But 466 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 3: he didn't know if he was juang Zhou. Who had 467 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: dreamt he was a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming he 468 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 3: was juang Zhou. Between Juangzhou and a butterfly, there must 469 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 3: be some distinction. This is called the transformation of things. 470 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 3: I like that last little line that like gives some terminology. 471 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: It's an interesting idea of sort of like intellectual completeness 472 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 3: on it. Added by that sentence, I'm not sure. 473 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I feel like seen this form in 474 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: Chinese writing before. I'm not sure exactly what to call 475 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: this style, but it is familiar. 476 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: But anyway, while I was looking at the Burton Watson 477 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: translation of various passages in this text, I came across 478 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: another one that I thought was really interesting, And I 479 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 3: think we may have alluded to part of to a 480 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: story discussed in this passage before. Maybe when we talked 481 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: about the Hundun the in the episodes we did on 482 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 3: the Classic of Mountains and Seas. 483 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, we did talk about this a little bit. Yeah, 484 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: but it's been a wha. 485 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 3: Well, allow me to read this passage. If you don't mind, 486 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: go for it. Do not be an embody or of fame. 487 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 3: Do not be a storehouse of schemes. Do not be 488 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 3: an undertaker of projects. Do not be a proprietor of wisdom. 489 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: Embody to the fullest what has no end, and wander 490 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 3: where there is no trail. Hold on to all that 491 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 3: you have received from heaven. But do not think you 492 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 3: have gotten anything. Be empty. That is all. The perfect 493 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 3: man uses his mind like a mirror, going after nothing, 494 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: welcoming nothing, responding but not storing. Therefore he can win 495 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: out over things and not hurt himself. And then it 496 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 3: transitions to a little narrow It says the emperor of 497 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 3: the South Sea was called Sho, meaning briefor the emperor 498 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 3: of the North Sea was called Who, meaning sudden, and 499 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 3: the emperor of the Central region was called Hondun Chaos 500 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 3: Shoe and Who. From time to time came together for 501 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 3: a meeting in the territory of Hondun, and Hondun treated 502 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: them very generously. Shoe and Who discussed how they could 503 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: repay his kindness. All men, they said, have seven openings, 504 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 3: so they can see here, eat and breathe. But Houndun 505 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: alone doesn't have any let's try boring him some every day. 506 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: I should I should jump in here for a second. 507 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: And just if you're not familar with this story, the 508 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: Hondun is often depicted. It's kind of this amorphous, fleshy creature. Yeah, 509 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: a quadrupedal creature. So I think it helps to sort 510 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: of picture something like that before we get to the 511 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: actual boring of the thing. 512 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: Then the last line is every day they bored another hole, 513 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 3: and on the seven, the day Hondun died. And so yeah, 514 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: Houndun is this creature without any without a face, without 515 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: any holes that they bore all the holes in him. 516 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: And so I think it is supposed to be a 517 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: lesson against trying to over engineer your will on the 518 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 3: way of things, and instead you should sort of like 519 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: let things be according to their nature. 520 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess you could take this into the 521 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: future and like kind of kind of like transhuman direction 522 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: and be like, if someone comes along and they're like, 523 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: we need more sensory inputs for human beings, well remind 524 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: them of this story in which case, in which case, 525 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: the poor Hundun died because they tried to they thought 526 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: it needed more sensory inputs. 527 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 3: I think it was in the episode on the Classic 528 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: of the Mountains and Seas that am I getting the 529 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: name of that right? That was the name of that 530 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 3: text I talked of it. Yeah, the illustration in the 531 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 3: text we had of the Honduan where it looked kind 532 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: of like a like a cushion with legs. 533 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And also, by the way, you see this 534 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: basic creature design pop up in the Marvel of the 535 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: shun Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. Oh okay, 536 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: that's a good one. I highly recommend that one one 537 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: of my favorite NCU films that has come out. 538 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 3: I would be tempted by any movie that has a 539 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 3: hond doing next Predator franchise film Predator versus Hondown. 540 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: Oh, don't throw the Honduan against the against the Predator. 541 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll go and close out this episode 542 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: of Listener and Mail, but we'd love to hear from 543 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: everyone out there. Just a reminder that our core episodes 544 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: are on Tuesdays and Thursday's Listener Mail on Monday, Short 545 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: Form Artifactor, Monster Fact on Wednesdays, and on Friday. 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