1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house Stuff 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Josh Clark, and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant and hold 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: your pause. Jerry Roland socialist and me socialist. It's so funny, 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a dirty word. Yeah, people love Colin politicians 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: socialist these days they're just a socialist. Yeah. It's weird that, 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: you know the fact that that is a dirty words 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: because we stand in a moment in history where it's 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: been drugging through the mud for a hundred years. But 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: the tenets of it, the basis of it is the same. 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: It's virtually unchanged, and it's still it's kind of sensible 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: in some ways. Well, I mean I looked at there's 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: been various we're going to talk about these, but various 14 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: experiments socialist experiments throughout the years, and some work pretty 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: well for a little while. But it kind of dawned 16 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: on me at one point. You can't account for laziness. Yeah, 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: that's a huge that's when it all comes crumbling down. 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Everyone had that same work ethic, it could thrive, but 19 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: as soon as that one dude, it's like, I don't 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: feel like working. Yeah, and I'm a sucker because if 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: I do, because I get the same junk that you do, 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: then it's just that's the beginning of the end. If 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: everybody had the work ethic of the people depicted in 24 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: w p A murals and post offices, we'll be fine, 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: which do look uncannily similar to Soviet era depictions of 26 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: workers too. Yeah, you know, because they're related. So we're 27 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: talking socialism today, which is a huge, enormous, sweeping topic. Um. 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: But we're gonna try to explain it and as best 29 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: the terms as we possibly can. Um. And it's really 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: tough to talk about socialism without talking about capital as 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: them too, because they're antithetical pretty much. But they're both 32 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: based on the same idea that from your economy springs 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: forth everything else. Like Karl Marx, Joseph Engels, the guys 34 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: who got together and wrote the Communist Manifesto. Um, they 35 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: basically said, it's the economy stupid. Yeah, what was that from? 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: That's James Carville? Was that Carville? I thought there was 37 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: some No, I was thinking of something else you're thinking 38 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: of I'm with stupid or no, I know what you're 39 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: thinking of. Lose weight, now ask me how what I 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: can do this all day? Where's the beef? What else? Uh? 41 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: Can't they get any other ad? Ever? I don't want 42 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: to grow up. No, there was one stupid that was 43 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: oil or gas commercial. It's the economy, bunch old gouts 44 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: sitting on the porch. Oh yeah, it sounds like a 45 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: fracking com. But I don't think they're saying like it's 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: the economy stupid. They're they're saying, just sit there and 47 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: shut up stupid. Probably that's that's more the kid. Let's 48 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: just go back to James Cargle. So he said it's 49 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: the economy stupid. It was one of the three main 50 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: talking points for Clinton campaign. So Carl Marks didn't say that. 51 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: But the idea was that you have this economy, and 52 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: depending on what you do with it, you can either 53 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: have a uh completely literally utopian society where everyone's equal, 54 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: nobody wants, everyone's taken care of, and there is no 55 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: class stratification. Or you can go the opposite way and 56 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: let this economy run on its own devices and step 57 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: out of the way, and what you have is capitalism. 58 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: And the marks an angle's opinion that was basically the 59 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: most inherently evil thing a state or government institution could do. 60 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: Is it just let an accou onomy run rampant, right, 61 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: because you have something called classes, you have stratification, you 62 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: have um wealth gap. Yeah, and basically the exploitation of 63 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: the very people who are producing the the goods in 64 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 1: a society, the workers. Yeah, the workers, uh, stay poor 65 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: and the rich get richer, the poor get poorer. And 66 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: like you said, it was based on this word utopia. Um. 67 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: A British writer named Thomas Moore in fifteen coined that term. 68 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: He wrote a book called Utopia about a fictional island 69 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: in the Atlantic Ocean. And Um, there was no private property, 70 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: there were no locks on the doors houses. You rotated 71 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: houses every ten years. So even if your free house 72 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: you thought your neighbors was better, ten years, you're gonna 73 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: get in that same house. Don't worry about it. I 74 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: just hope your neighbor doesn't trasted. In the meantime, exactly, 75 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: they had all were the same clothes. There were no 76 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: fancy clothes, six hour work days, free healthcare, state endorsed euthanasia, 77 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: which in fifteen fifteen was pretty radical. Yeah, there's a 78 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: lot of killing. Back then, divorce was okay. So this 79 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: was his version of utopia. And uh, one thing we'll 80 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: talk about is utopian socialism. That that word utopian was 81 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: tagged to it later on as like a majority of 82 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of like there is no utopia, you naive nini. Yeah, 83 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: so your your socialism, your utopian socialism is not possible. 84 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: I see, you know, very clever. Sure, it's funny what 85 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: people can do with words to just completely tarnish the 86 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: concept because he can't account for laziness. So you've got 87 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Thomas Moore writing in fifteen and he coins the term 88 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: utopia and it's not in and of itself socialism, but 89 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: it has a lot of the hallmarks of socialism, right, 90 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: Like there's no it's a classless society. Yeah, and um, 91 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: it's a it's a society that's operated and owned by 92 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the people, very people who are producing goods. Yeah. And 93 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: we should have set up front there are dozens of 94 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: types of socialism. So this this could be like a 95 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: wealth part series and it will be. And this is 96 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: my god, now, well no, this this one. I was thinking, 97 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: this fits into what's become our socioeconomic suite. You know, 98 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: we have a death suite. We've done so much economic 99 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: stuff and socio economic stuff that I feel like we've 100 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: got a suite coming up that I'm gonna put together. Yeah. 101 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: So Thomas Moore comes up with utopia, but he's not 102 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: the first person to ever write about the concepts the 103 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: basic foundation or principles of um socialism. That award goes 104 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: to Plato, who described a place in his republic Um 105 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: that basically had two classes, the governed and those who governed, 106 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: and the government were completely subservient to those who governed, 107 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: but those who governed were just basically inherently perfect in 108 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: every way, shape or form. And aside from that there 109 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: the there, it was classless, right, everybody else was very 110 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: much equal in the over and where this hierarchy of 111 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: a blunted pyramid um, but they decided who was going 112 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: to make what and in what amounts. So you have 113 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: this hallmark, this other hallmark of socialism, which is complete 114 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: and utter government control of an economy, which constitutes a 115 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: planned economy. Yeah, and uh things, Uh, we're talking about 116 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: utopian works. Between seventeen hundred and eighteen fifty, these were 117 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: very popular because these themes were because there was a 118 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: lot of oppression going on in that hundred and fifty 119 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: years still is around the world, of course, but it 120 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: became a popular theme in books and novels to write 121 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: about these utopian societies like, man, it could be so 122 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: much better. No oppression of slavery, everyone is all boats 123 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: are rising. Um. And then a French revolutionary named Francois 124 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Noel Babouf is considered the first socialist because he is 125 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: the first one who um said, you know what, no 126 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: more private property. We should all be equal, and I'm 127 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: the first socialist. Yeah. He the reason he was no 128 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: and he had his head cut off by the French 129 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: Revolution at age thirty seven for his views where technically, um, 130 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: today he's referred to as a revolutionary communist. Yeah, UM 131 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: should go ahead and cover that. Yeah, because socialism was 132 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: the word was around when he was around, so he 133 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: was called a socialist, but his views were so militant, 134 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: um that he's now considered a revolutionary communist and that 135 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: that sort of communism is basically like socialism with guns. Yeah, 136 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: if you're a communist, socialism is a UM. It's a 137 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: transitional state between a capitalist society and a communist society. 138 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: So it's a temporary point in the glorious transition from 139 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: capitalism to communism because communists know from experience now that 140 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: you can't just go from capitalism to communism overnight. You're 141 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: going to completely cripple your economy. People are going to 142 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: starve to death. You just have huge problems, so you 143 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: have to go to socialism. So the difference between socialism 144 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: and communism is that in a socialist country, everybody's producing 145 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: for the general good, but what you receive is based 146 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: on your merit, whereas with communism, everyone's producing for the 147 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: general good and what you receive is based on your need. Yeah, 148 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: and communism is is a militant takeover and utopian socialism. 149 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: The main difference there is the idea is that everyone 150 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: is on board and just gives this stuff up. There's 151 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: no overthrow of the upper class because the upper class 152 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: is like, no, I'm on board, right, that's an utopian socialism. 153 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: But with communism, though, I think it's kind of gotten 154 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: the I I think in practice it's been uh at 155 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: the at the barrel of a gun. Basically, like mouse said, 156 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: power springs from the barrel of a gun. So the 157 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: idea that communism and militancy are associated has you know, 158 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: become kind of a thing. But I think theoretically they're 159 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: not necessarily related, right you know. Uh, And then a 160 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: few others. You have, um, market socialism, which Yugoslavia and 161 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: Hungary had a version of in the sixties and seventies, 162 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: and that is most people see that as as sort 163 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: of the bridge between socialism and capitalism, where the government 164 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: does own the resources, a lot of them at least, 165 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: but market forces determined production and demand, so there is 166 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: incentive and true socialism, there's no incentive to work harder. See, 167 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's necessarily true. I think it's 168 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: communism and socialism you're still allowed to give incentive for 169 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: harder work. Well, which kind of socialism though? Um remember 170 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: our blimp episode. Remember the helium supply that the US 171 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: government controls. That's an example of market socialism. Yeah, that's 172 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: a good point. I think we're demonstrating just how hard 173 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: it is to define it because there are so many times. 174 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah we can you can talk about it in pure terms, 175 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: which we let's let's do that. And then I think 176 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: if you understand, you know, just the pure definition of socialism, 177 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: you can start to understand you can recognize it in 178 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: the real world. Right, So with socialism you have um, 179 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: no no classes. Everybody is told what to do, to 180 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: what to make, where to go to work, and the 181 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: production output is determined by a central planning committee in 182 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: most cases the government, and then that same committee takes 183 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: all these this production and distributes it according to who 184 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: needs what, and the economy is completely controlled and playing 185 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: end and uh, this plan is put into effect by 186 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: the workers and everybody's equal. And there's no private property. 187 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: And that's a tricky one too, because if you went 188 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 1: to Soviet Russia in the sixties, you go into somebody's 189 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: house and they had a TV set and that was 190 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: that family's TV set. So the distinction that I came 191 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: across for private property is there's in socialism people can 192 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: own TVs, but nobody owns the factory that makes the TVs. 193 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: So by the government controlling the factor that makes TVs, 194 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: theoretically you can make even more TVs and more people 195 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: can enjoy the fruits of the TV factories production. Does 196 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: that make sense? Okay? I think if you want to 197 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: explain something, do it, and by explaining it in terms 198 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: of TV and TVs. Jerry just she went to Cuba 199 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: this year, remember, and had an experience with the communism. 200 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: That was really interesting. We should do a podcast on 201 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Cuba as a whole and have Jerry sit in and 202 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: not speak. You just write things down and we can 203 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: relay the message. And like I said, to understand socialism, 204 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: it's you have to also understand capitalism. And capitalism is 205 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: basically like the the supply and demand runs everything, and 206 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: the if somebody needs something, they're willing to pay a 207 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: higher price for it, which means the sector over here 208 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: will start to ramp up because they want to make 209 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: more money. There's no planned economy. It just changes based 210 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: on the needs of the individual. Yeah, and there's uh, 211 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: there's competition. It's encouraged in capitalism, not so much in socialism, 212 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: not at all in socialism, because competition is one of 213 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: the great evils of capitalism. And that it's right if 214 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: you make a bunch of money and we're in the 215 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: same industry. I'm not making a bunch of money and 216 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: I can go bankrupt and my family could starve, But 217 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: you're really rich. I like that. Yeah, imaging imagine if 218 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the shoe on the other foot. I want us to 219 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: all be rich. What's that called socialism? Okay, alright, So 220 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: I was talking about Francois Babouf and uh. He was 221 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: credited with being one of the first socialists, but the idea, 222 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: the concept wasn't really popularized on a broad scale until 223 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds thanks to something called the Industrial Revolution, 224 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: which is when as everyone knows, uh, Robert Baron's kind 225 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: of started opening factories and controlling the wealth and putting 226 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: people out of work or making people work for or 227 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: offering people work I should say, uh, for very little money. 228 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: And there was a big wealth gap. That was the 229 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: first big wealth gap. Um. The rich got richer in 230 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: that case, and the poor got poor and people got um. 231 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: There's a lot of unrest because of the slave labor, 232 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: and the idea of socialism kind of became more popular 233 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, right. It seems like any time 234 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: that um, business and industry has overstepped its exploitation of 235 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: the working class, socialism has kind of been there to 236 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: step up as a solution to that, and people have 237 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: been more prone to adopt it. Yeah, and and tough 238 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: times obviously, because that's one of the byproducts of socialism 239 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: of a group of the government controlling industry. That means 240 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: that the government also protects the workers from being screwed 241 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: over by industry because you're working for the government and 242 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: the government is not seeking to screw you over. Does 243 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: that make sense? Yeah, I feel like I'm not explaining 244 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: this correctly and striving me a little bonkers. Frankly, No, 245 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: you're doing great because of this. Um the Industrial Revolution, though, 246 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: there were these communes that started to pop up and 247 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: all over the place that, uh, we're people. They were 248 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: kind of socialist experiments. One was called Brook Farm in 249 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: the eighteen forties just outside of Boston and West Roxbury, 250 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: and it was founded by a Uterian Unitarian minister and 251 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: his wife, George and Sophia Ripley, and they said, you 252 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: know what, you can choose your job, you can do 253 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. Um, everyone's gonna get equal pay. 254 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna base our little society on a guy named 255 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: a Frenchman named Charles Furrier who just died a few 256 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: years ago. But he was super smart, we think, and 257 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: uh he actually coined the term feminism. So ladies are 258 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: going to be equal a huge thing. Because this was 259 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: the eight forties, that was way ahead of its time. 260 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: And uh, they had visions to build this big structure 261 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: called a Fallon story, and that was their undoing. It 262 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: seems like there's always this one thing that ruins these experiments, 263 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: and that was their's fire destroyed it and basically bankrupted 264 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: them by eighty seven. So that was the end of 265 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: brook Farm. And that's just one example, yeah, one of many, because, 266 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: like you said, there are a lot of communes that 267 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: sprung up within larger capitalist systems, but that practiced their 268 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: own brand of socialism. There were Christian socialist communes, like 269 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: the Shakers were socialist community. Yeah. I was wondering about 270 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 1: the Amish, and I looked up like our Amish socialists, 271 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: and I think they have a hierarchy. Yeah, and they weren't. 272 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: I don't think they're thought of as true socialists, but 273 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: they have a lot of the same values. I think, 274 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: like we all worked together, we all work hard for 275 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: the good of all of us, and values are what 276 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: drove um all of these socialist experiments, including the Christian 277 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: socialist experiments, because basically they were saying, hey, you know what, 278 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: we don't think capitalism really jibes with Christian teachings. We 279 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: think socialism does a little more. So we're gonna go 280 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: off and try this and don't even try to persecute 281 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: us because religious freedom. Religious freedom. Yeah, you've seen the 282 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: bumper stickers. Jesus was a socialist. I haven't they're out there. 283 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: Last one I saw said easy does it? So check 284 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: your like you were saying, like this is brook Farm 285 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: wasn't didn't exist in a vacuum. There were a lot 286 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: of these socialist experiments going on everybody. There seemed to 287 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: be two types. There was one that just wanted to 288 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: just get away from the world. Just leave us alone. 289 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: We're doing our own thing. If you want to come 290 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: join us, awesome, but we're not trying to change the world. 291 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: We're just trying to change the world, our world. There 292 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: were other ones that sought to like basically perform this 293 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 1: experiment that demonstrated that this that socialism worked and in 294 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: the hopes that it would spread out to the rest 295 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: of the country or the rest of the continent or whatever. 296 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: And one of them was in Scotland, formed by a 297 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: guy named um Robert Owen who was a wealthy, wealthy, 298 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: wealthy capitalist who decided that capitalism was evil and then 299 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: he was going to use his wealth to try socialist experiments. 300 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: And the first one was in Scotland, in um New Lanark. Yeah, 301 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: in seventeen eighty six. Um. He he basically moved out there. 302 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: He bought um, like you said, he had a lot 303 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: of money. He's a big philanthropists, and he bought a 304 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: mill and said, you know what, this cotton mill. I'm 305 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna base this cooperative society around this mill, and it's 306 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: gonna be our foundation. That's how we're gonna make our money. 307 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: And we're gonna divide up property among everyone, and everyone's 308 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: gonna work the same and get paid the same. And um, 309 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: it didn't work out, of course, but he was huge 310 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: in the early um progression of childcare basically, Yeah, he 311 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: was really big on protecting children. He raised minimum the 312 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: minimum age to ten. Yeah, the working age to ten 313 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: and uh not minimum age, like you have to have 314 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: a childless ten years old. If you're born under the 315 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: age of ten, you go to jail. But um, he 316 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: instituted infant childcare for the first time in Great Britain. 317 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: He h preschool, Yeah, first preschool, first public library. Uh, 318 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: first public school too, I think like free public school. 319 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: So he led a lot of reform but it didn't 320 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: work out in England, so he said I'm sorry Scotland. 321 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: I know, I think new Landark it's self worked out, 322 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: but it didn't catch on. And so he said, nuts 323 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: to you guys. I'm going over to America where they're 324 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: way more open minded. That's right. So he went over 325 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: and Um, there was some land in Indiana in a 326 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: place called Harmony. Uh it was actually that was already 327 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: a commune of sorts there. Um that lasted eleven years, 328 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: from eighteen fourteen to eighteen Yeah, but they were a 329 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: non socialist religious commune right now, they were totally socialists. 330 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: They were they were separatists from the German Lutheran Church 331 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: and they formed their own little socialist society there in 332 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: Harmony and succeeded for eleven years thanks to their German 333 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: work ethic. And then they decided they wanted to go 334 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: back to Pennsylvania. Yeah, they just left. And then um 335 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: Owens comes in says, hey, this land, I'd like to 336 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: buy it from me. I'll name it New Harmony and 337 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: I'll start my little experiment over here in the United 338 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: States and see how it works, and basically did the 339 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, they said, thanks chump, but that lasted 340 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: just two years. Um. Yeah, this was not Owen's fault here. Well, 341 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: I mean from what I gathered that the main reason 342 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: that it didn't work out is that people liked it 343 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: so much. It was a bit chaotic, though, and they 344 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: started splintering off, forming their own communes, and all these 345 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: other communes started popping up, and it just couldn't survive anymore. Okay. Well, also, 346 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: his business partner for the commune took all the money 347 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: and left. Yeah. I didn't see that that was the 348 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: main reason, though. I think they were dead in the 349 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: water by that point. That might have been the nail 350 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: in the coffin, right, So you pulled the Mr Burns, 351 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. So, um there there, that's three there's that's 352 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: just three communities. Community he went back to and he 353 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: was like, all right, yeah, I guess I'm out of here, 354 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: and he started but he um he really, I guess 355 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: got a lot of press and raised awareness for the 356 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: concept of labor reform and really helped set the stage 357 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: for the labor struggles that would take place in Europe 358 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: and the United States throughout the nineteenth century. And again, 359 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: this is the result of a couple of things, but 360 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: mostly the Industrial Revolution, because in the Industrial Revolution, business 361 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: owners were the income inequality gap was growing by leaps 362 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: and bounds because business owners could buy a machine that 363 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: could do the work of ten people for a tenth 364 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: of the price. And so as a result of this 365 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 1: you have experiments and socialism. You also have another thing 366 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: grow up called um. Blood eye is UM. You know 367 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: the Ladites, they're supposedly afraid of technology. That's that's really 368 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: a misinterpretation. UM. The Loodites like to smash technology that 369 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: took their jobs. They weren't afraid of the few future 370 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: or anything like that. They just wanted to keep their jobs. 371 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: So Leoodite sprang up at about the same time too, 372 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: so you have Loodite socialism. And in eighteen forty eight 373 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: there is what's called a revolutionary waves similar to the 374 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: Arab spring of what two thou twelve, two dozen thirteen, 375 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: where almost all of the monarchies in Europe faced challenges 376 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: from socialist revolutions, and most of the revolutions were crushed, 377 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: but some of them had lasting effects. Like you know 378 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: how Sweden is considered a UM partially socialist state. UM. 379 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: Same with Denmark and all these other countries, France, all 380 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: of them had to do with these the socialist uprising 381 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty eight. They made an imprint and impact, 382 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: and when the when the revolutions themselves were crushed, they 383 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: started to move over here in the US, and that's 384 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: when you saw a lot of these socialist experiments pop up. Yeah, 385 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: and every country still has a lot of socialist programs, 386 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: um that you could label a socialists for sure. So 387 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: we'll talk more about social salism in the United States 388 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: right after this, so choke, we're talking about socialism in 389 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: the US, which people are like, what are you talking 390 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: about the US as a capitalist society. Well, there's actually 391 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: been a lot of socialism throughout the history of the US. 392 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: There's been, um, the Socialist Party. Milwaukee has had some 393 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: socialist mayors. Uh. If you live in Vermont, one of 394 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: your senators as a socialist, Bernie Sanders. And there's this 395 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: kind of long storied history springing out of workers rights movements, 396 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: labor movements in the United States that were supported by 397 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: socialists and actually gave rise to UM, the Socialist Party 398 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: here in the US. Yeah. In eighteen seventy six, the 399 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: Workingmen's Party was formed and then a year later changed 400 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: their name to the Socialist Labor Party and uh, of 401 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: which Jack London writer was an early member. Uh. They 402 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: were called the Works, and they had someone on the 403 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: presidential ticket re election from seven nineteen seventy six, and 404 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: had a little know that. Oh yeah, they had a 405 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: newspaper called The People that was finally folded in two 406 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: thousand eight, and they even had an office in two 407 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: thousand eight, although as of two thousand and seven they 408 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: only had seventy seven members, and apparently the the official 409 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: meetings in San Francisco we're only attended by three to 410 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: six people. That is, that's a far cry from the 411 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: peak when Eugene Debs, who was the socialist candidate for 412 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: the fifth time I think, when he was in jail 413 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: and still managed to get a million votes in the 414 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: general election for president as a socialist. Not bad. And 415 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: then they're down at three to six members in San Francisco. Well, 416 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: that was in two thousand seven and eight. Maybe they've 417 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: they're booming again, who knows. But part of it is 418 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: because the term socialism, since socialism is basically in a 419 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: lot ways antithetical to capitalism, has been, like I said, 420 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: dragged through the mud over the centuries. And it was 421 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: about this time, actually it was in nineteen seventeen that 422 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: it really started in earnest. Yeah, the government here in 423 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,719 Speaker 1: the US and acted the Espionage Act and kind of 424 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: tied everything tonton, not everything that socialism, at least to communism, 425 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: and um made a lot of things illegal to like 426 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: and publicly endorsed things like communism or socialism and criticized 427 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: the involvement in World War One. Yeah, and so, which 428 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: is why Eugene Debs was in jail. By the time 429 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties rolled around, through McCarthyism, which we have a 430 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: great episode of McCarthyism, the Socialist Labor Party was waning 431 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: because you did not want to be tabbed a communist. No, 432 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: unless you were a communist. I mean, you could basically 433 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: like lose your career by being blacklisted by the McCarthy trials. 434 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: And that's in the US. Elsewhere in the world. Um, 435 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: long before the nineteen fifties, it was a dictator in 436 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: the Soviet and named v I. Lenin you might have 437 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: heard of, and he was the first world leader to 438 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 1: really implement socialism on a big, broad government scale. Yeah, 439 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: up to that point, it was all theoretical except for 440 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: little experiments or a little communes. Lenin was the one 441 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: who said, let's see if this can work. Yeah, And 442 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: he was a communist, but um, he implemented socialist initiatives 443 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: after taking over the nineteen seventeen nationalized industry, UH to 444 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: a large degree in agriculture. Um, but things were not profitable. 445 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: So he kind of had to backtrack a little bit 446 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: to a mixed economy a little bit. And one of 447 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 1: the reasons why things weren't profitable, Chuck, was what you 448 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: were talking about was account for the lazy Yeah, incentive. 449 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: People didn't have incentive, and Lenin didn't. He hadn't figured 450 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: out that to truly incentivize people in the absence of money, 451 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: you needed violence. And so Stalin came in and recognized 452 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: the is you won't die pretty much. And tens and 453 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: tens of millions of people died under Stalin's rule as 454 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: he basically forced communism to work by stripping people of 455 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: any kind of private ownership of land or farms or 456 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: anything like that. Institute and collectivism and really taking communism 457 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: in this communist experiment and making it function by forcing 458 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: the gears together. And a lot of blood came out 459 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: of that interaction, but it worked for a little while. 460 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: Like in the sixties, the Soviet economy was growing at 461 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: a rate of about twice that of the United States 462 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: per year. And this is all considering that the government 463 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: is deciding exactly how the economy is going to go. 464 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: And then post World War One, there was a lot 465 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: of activity in Europe uh socialist parties springing up in Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Belgium, 466 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: Great Britain, Africa, Latin America, Asia, people were dabbling in it. Basically, 467 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: governments were dabbling in it. There's a wave of it 468 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: in Africa in the seventies too, um And in part 469 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: that was because while there's proxy roars being fought between 470 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: the United States and the uss are UM. But also 471 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: it's because the uss are appeared successful. And can we 472 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: talk about the U S. S R for a second 473 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: and how it worked. So basically, every year the Government 474 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: Planning Committee created the gosp Plan, which is like this, 475 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: the plan for the Soviet economy. They would say, okay, 476 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: so we need this, this, this, and this and this 477 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: million different things and each of these million different things 478 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,239 Speaker 1: cost this government sets the price right right, So they 479 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: would say, how can we make this happen? And they 480 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: would send it down the chain and everybody would take 481 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: a look at it and figure out their plan. Like 482 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: this main plan would be split into thousands of tiny 483 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: subplans and components, and the people who are actually carrying 484 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: out the war would look at it and say, Okay, 485 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: we can do this and this and this, and I 486 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: can get you this many tons of cotton, and we 487 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: can do this many tons of potatoes, and this is 488 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: how we're gonna do it, and they would send it 489 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: back up the chain, and for the year the economy 490 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: would be planned. And it actually did work for a 491 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: little while. But the problem is it's like you say, 492 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: you can't account for laziness, and there was a you 493 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: can also not account for an action. There was a 494 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: huge criticism of this um plan by capitalist economists who 495 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: were saying, this can never work. And the reason it 496 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: can't work is because in a capitalist society you rely 497 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: on the markets for information. You guys don't have a market. 498 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: You have government control the markets, so there's no real 499 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: information being gleaned, so you can't possibly know who needs 500 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: what where. And this very famous communist economists came back with, 501 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: actually that's not true. All we have to do is 502 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: look at stocks. If we have a lot of surplus 503 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: of something, then we know that we need to lower prices. 504 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: If they're a scarcity of something, that we need to 505 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: raise prices. Hence, communism works, and for a little while 506 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: it looked like it worked until the whole thing broke down. 507 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: And the whole thing broke down was because you have 508 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: people whose job it is to set prices who were 509 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: scared to death of screwing up, so they would just 510 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: remain inactive, and ultimately, by the time they did respond 511 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: to something, it was too late and people would starve 512 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: or the whole system would be totally thrown off. Because 513 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: if you have a planned, managed economy, you if one 514 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: little bit is thrown off, the whole thing can break down. 515 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: So that ultimately is why the Soviet experiment failed. It 516 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: was just too tightly controlled. That's a good one, all right. 517 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: Back to the United States, despite McCarthy ism and the 518 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: threats of the McCarthy era, there were some prominent socialists 519 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: in the US and there still are. Actually. Albert Einstein 520 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: was famous for a paper called hy Socialism in where 521 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: he a plan to and it was all education based, 522 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: which is good, but um he advocated for playing economies 523 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: and wanted every citizen to to be had their livelihood insured. UM. 524 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: Some other notable American socialist uh ed Asner and Saul Bellow, 525 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: Patch Adams, famous clown doctor, UH, comedian Lewis Black, singer 526 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: Harry Belafonte all identify as socialist to this day. UH. 527 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: And I guess we can't talk about um socialism without 528 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: talking about Britain post World War two. Uh. There was 529 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: the winds of change were brewing because Winston Churchill was 530 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: defeated in his re election bid by Clement Atlee, who 531 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: was the head of the Labor Party. And that's what 532 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: the you because it's England and uh, it was a 533 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: democratic socialist party and established a nineteen hundred and Churchill 534 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: was the head of the Tory Party, the Conservatives, and 535 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: UH they were after World War two. They were the 536 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: citizens were fed up. They said, our healthcare stinks, there's 537 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: labor problems all over the place. And I don't think 538 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: Churchill's got the goods to uh to right the ship. 539 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: So we're gonna elect this at Lee fella. And he 540 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: had some pretty lasting changes he. Um. There were a 541 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: lot of improvements under some of the nationalization policies under Athlee, 542 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: like coal miners were given paid vacations, they were taken 543 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: care of safety wise, they were given sick leave. Um. 544 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: But of course when you nationalize industry like that, it 545 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: became unprofitable because you can't account for laziness and there 546 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: was no competition and workers weren't motivated. But his big 547 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: legacy was the NHS, the National Health Service, which was 548 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: established in nine UH, which provided free medical care and 549 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: it is still in use today because it was super popular, 550 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: even though uh financially it didn't work out for quite 551 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: a while. Scotland is talking about going independent right now. 552 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: There's a referendum coming up, and one of the main 553 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 1: talking points is if Scotland can go independent, that the 554 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: Scottish NHS can stay socialist rather than you know, get 555 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: sold off the private industry, right um, like they think 556 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 1: it's going on in England. Oh, is that what's going 557 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,760 Speaker 1: on right now? That's what That's what the pro Scottish 558 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: independence people are accusing the English of I did not 559 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: know that. Interesting. Well, they love their free healthcare, um, 560 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of it. UH. In the seventies, that 561 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: was incredible inflation going on over there. Percent in nineteen 562 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: seventy five and the winter of discontent. UM of nine. 563 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy nine was a dark time over there because 564 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: there were a lot of major labor strikes going on 565 00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: and the country was headed in the wrong direction. Um 566 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: until Margaret Thatcher came along. And despite what you think 567 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 1: about her, she did right the ship economically in a 568 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: lot of ways. Uh. One thing she did was she 569 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: reduced spending UM and education and healthcare. Uh. Inflation went down. 570 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: Unemployment rose still though, and she started to denationalize a 571 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: lot of the major industries, like the telecom industry and 572 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 1: selling it off to the private sector, and things started 573 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: making a profit again, which was seen as a big victory. Yeah, 574 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: so that's really um, that's a great Britain is a 575 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: good example of the response people being people being screwed over. Yeah, 576 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: socialism steck being in, Socialism getting out of control and 577 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: then capitalism coming in. I think capitalism runs rampant, people 578 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: start to get screwed over again, socialism starts to step in. 579 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 1: There seems to be like an ebb and flow between 580 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: those two and mostly just those two, especially if you 581 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: consider communism socialism, and it's strange, is there like a 582 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: third one out there that we're missing? There's really just 583 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: capitalism and socialism. I don't know. We'll talk more about 584 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: socialism as it stands today in just a second. Let's 585 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: just take this message break first, Chuck. If there's anything 586 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: the web has done, it's democratize humanity. Yeah. 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All you have to do, once again is 612 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: use our offer code stuff s t u f F 613 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: at www dot square space dot com slash stuff. You're 614 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna get that ten percent off your first purchase and 615 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna be glad you did it. Okay, So, Chuck, 616 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: you mentioned the NHS. It's still around today. It's an 617 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: example of a socialist government system. Canada has something similar. Um. 618 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: It's often very criticized as being very expensive, very inefficient, 619 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: very slow, but there's a lot of people who get 620 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: health care that otherwise wouldn't. Yeah, I think about of 621 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: every dollar in Canada goes to the health care systems, 622 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: are right, That's that's a lot. That's a lot, and 623 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: every Canadian I know says still better than what you 624 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: guys got. I mean, it's definitely cheaper than what the 625 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 1: Americans spent on healthcare for sure. Yeah, like we went 626 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: and we may have to wait for our m r I, 627 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: but at least we're not going broke because we get sick. 628 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: But that's a that's a good example of socialism versus capitalism. 629 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: If you go to Canada, if you're a Canadian and 630 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: you go to the hospital, I should say, Um, your 631 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: m RI is going to cost the same no matter 632 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: what hospital you go to, which I guess is zero dollars. 633 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: But that but if there, if there is a charge 634 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: of the government, it's going to be the same price, 635 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: right roughly the same price. If you go to the 636 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: United States, you can go to two different medical clinics 637 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: in the same town and you could have a discrepancy 638 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: of maybe ten thousand dollars for a single MRI I procedure. Um. 639 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: And that's because in Canada, the government controls the cost 640 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: of healthcare. It says this is how much an m 641 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: r I cost. In the United States, there's a free 642 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 1: market for people who have MRI s that they wanted 643 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,959 Speaker 1: contract out to use and they can charge whatever they want, 644 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: so there's a big discrepancy. Yeah, and uh, they give 645 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: one example in this article in Canada of a woman 646 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: um who had identical quadruplets that they could not be 647 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: delivered in Canada because they didn't have the resources, so 648 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 1: she had to go to Montana to have her baby 649 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: is born. So that's just one example of maybe some 650 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: of the downfalls of socialized medicine. Yeah. So here in 651 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 1: the United States, like you said, socialism gets tossed about 652 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: is a um. It's a sugatory term and a little 653 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: willy nilly if you ask me it is. It's also 654 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 1: very glib, especially if you're saying socialism doesn't work or 655 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: socialism is exists in an evil direction, because what you're 656 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,320 Speaker 1: talking about then is pure socialism and pure socialist theory. 657 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: Depending on how you look at it, Yes, maybe it 658 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: does strike you as evil, especially if you think of 659 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: communism as being militant. The thing is, you can make 660 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: the same arguments about pure capitalism, where it's just a 661 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: completely unfettered free market with no regulation whatsoever. The income 662 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,879 Speaker 1: and equality tends to develop and progress and people tend 663 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,799 Speaker 1: to get trampled. So the idea of saying, like a 664 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 1: politician and socialist or something like that. Um, if they're 665 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: a United States politician, yeah, they probably do have some 666 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: sort of socialist tendencies in that they are they're voting 667 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: to continue funding Medicare or medicaid, social security, welfare of 668 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: any kind, any kind of government regulation in the United States. 669 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: The very fact that there is a rule for a 670 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:15,640 Speaker 1: particular industry that says, no, you can't, um, dump toxic 671 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,280 Speaker 1: chemicals into a river. Sorry, that's socialism. That's government control 672 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: over an industry. In part. It's not nationalization, which is 673 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: a hallmark of socialism where the government says, hey, your 674 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: board of directors has gone and these government employees now 675 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: run this company. Um, but it's still the same. It's 676 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: still a version of socialism. So well, you have today 677 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: in most western developed nations is what's called the third way, 678 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 1: which is a mixed economy where you have a free 679 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 1: market and supply and demand uh runs that market, but 680 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: you still have government protections. You probably have welfare programs, 681 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: and that is public libraries. Yeah, that is rather than 682 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: this have been tied in spasms between socialism and capitalism. 683 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: This this pendulum swinging back and forth. It feels like 684 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: the two are starting to or have merged together, into 685 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: a hybrid that could conceivably smooth out over time. Conceivably 686 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,439 Speaker 1: smooth out over time. Yeah, yeah, it would be great. 687 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: It's possible. That's what we're seeing right now. So in 688 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: the future, all economies will be mixed economies. That's my 689 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 1: prediction all over the world. Yeah. Yeah, Do you got 690 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: anything else? I got nothing else? Well? Cool. I did 691 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: read one article that I thought was interesting about the 692 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,320 Speaker 1: United States military being the ultimate socialist experiment. Oh yeah, 693 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 1: tell well it was just I think it had a 694 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: lot of holes in it, but just the idea that 695 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: the military like you dress alike, you all live, you know, 696 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: you have different ranks of course, but you're essentially equal, 697 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: all working together for the greater good. Um. It was 698 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,240 Speaker 1: an interesting perspective. But like I said, I had as 699 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,600 Speaker 1: it's like Swiss cheese. Yeah, it's a It's a good 700 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: idea though, right, It was interesting. So, um, what that 701 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: sounds like it's talking about is is what people I 702 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: think are ultimately saying when they're saying like communist, capitalist 703 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: pig that kind of thing, and they're throwing like slander 704 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: back and forth from either way, what you're really saying 705 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: is collectivist or individualist. If you take the economy part 706 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: away from it, what you're saying is, are you the 707 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 1: kind of person who subscribes to everyone working together for 708 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 1: the greater good? Or are you the kind of person 709 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 1: who subscribes to the idea of individual liberty where people 710 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: should be allowed to express themselves and move freely and 711 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: and not be fettered by any kind of constraints. That's 712 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,320 Speaker 1: what it all boils down to. That's a bumper sticker. 713 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,439 Speaker 1: That's a long bumper sticker. Just truncate. It's got nothing else. 714 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: So if you want to learn more about socialism, you 715 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: should type that word into the search bart how stuff 716 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: works dot com. And uh, since I said search bar, 717 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: it's time for listener man. Yeah. Hey, before I read this, 718 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: I want to say thanks to our friends Josh and 719 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: Joel Over at pod on pod Yeah. They're a podcast 720 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: review podcast and they gave us. We didn't know they 721 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: were doing this, We just saw it and they they 722 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: gave us like the best review. It was really really nice. Yeah, 723 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: they gave us like a very well thought out review. 724 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: Wasn't just you know, like we love these guys. It's 725 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: a great podcast. They explained what they liked about it, 726 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: and well that's what they do on their show. I 727 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: listen to some other ones and they really if you're 728 00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,880 Speaker 1: looking to get into other podcasts, I would start with 729 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: pod on pod and listen to some of their reviews 730 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: because the review like the sound quality and the production exactly. 731 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 1: That's what I mean, just professionalism and um well thought out. Yeah, 732 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: it's very well thought out and they did a great job. 733 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,560 Speaker 1: So um thanks to Yeah, go check out pot on pod. 734 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: They gave Jerry like huge glowing review. I think they 735 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,760 Speaker 1: called us the new standard and sound quality. That's awesome. 736 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: You know how about that over Mark Marine when they 737 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: said just gave me tingle. All right, I'm gonna call 738 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,919 Speaker 1: this email. UM, be careful, becks. Um. She was listening 739 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: to our Elevator podcast and I've mentioned something about hearing 740 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: that you're less likely to get injured in an accident 741 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: if you're drunk, and she said she related her story 742 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,919 Speaker 1: because it happened to her. She was at a house 743 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,839 Speaker 1: party across the road from a friend of hers made 744 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: the mistake of drinking beer than wine, so she was 745 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,759 Speaker 1: really really drunk. She and her friend decided to go 746 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: into town, got to the main street and bumped into 747 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,439 Speaker 1: two guys who said, hey, come over and uh, come 748 00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,640 Speaker 1: have a drink with us at this pub. Um. It 749 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: was in West London, and she says, now when she 750 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,399 Speaker 1: thinks back at thirty five, how a stupid she was 751 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: to just like attempt across the street and join these 752 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: two random strangers while she was drunk, She is, she's 753 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: very um wary of that now, but she says she 754 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,840 Speaker 1: went across. I looked first left, which was my biggest 755 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: mistake here in London, because we drive on the left, 756 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,319 Speaker 1: so you should always look right. Uh, and you've ever 757 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,000 Speaker 1: been over there, They say that on the street for 758 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,879 Speaker 1: us dumb Americans like at the airport and say look 759 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: right on the sidewalk. Um, she says, she only looked 760 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: left and decided to take her for my drunken brain 761 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: that she would just step out into the street. I 762 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: remember my friends screaming becks. No, she got hit by 763 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: a car on her right. She landed on the bonnet 764 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: and the driver hit his brakes and I hit the tarmac. 765 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,280 Speaker 1: That's the street. Oh my god. He was going forty 766 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: miles and he was only about three feet away when 767 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: I stepped out, had no chance of stopping. He got 768 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: out of the car, got a pen and paper and 769 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: wrote my name on it, and then wrote I accept 770 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,719 Speaker 1: full responsibility for this accident, and made me sign it 771 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,719 Speaker 1: as I lay there on the pavement, and then he 772 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: drove off. Um the guys that offered us to come 773 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 1: over and join them for a drink carried me across 774 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: the road and into the pub and called an ambulance. 775 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: They stayed with me until it arrived. Matros all right, 776 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: I'm very great, all of them. Still, my injuries were 777 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: this one grays little finger. That is it. No hen injury, 778 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: no broken bones, no nothing. And I attributed it to 779 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,040 Speaker 1: two things. One I didn't see it coming, so I 780 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: wasn't tensed up into I was properly drunk, so I 781 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,720 Speaker 1: didn't tense up. I did end up in the hospital 782 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,960 Speaker 1: later that night when I when the shock set in 783 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,400 Speaker 1: and I got a headache, and my family was worried 784 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,879 Speaker 1: that I was concussed, which I was not. Um as 785 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 1: an aside, I did not escape the incident mentally unscathed. 786 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: I suffered a period of real sadness and remorse for 787 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: weeks afterward, because I felt guilty that I had come 788 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: out of it unharmed. When so many little kids get 789 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,799 Speaker 1: hit by cars through no fault of their own and die, 790 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,839 Speaker 1: survivor guilt? Is that what that is? That's what Jeff 791 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:47,440 Speaker 1: Bridges called it. When what was that called survivor? No 792 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,120 Speaker 1: big Lebowski something less? Uh? I think it was called 793 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,479 Speaker 1: survivor He survives a plane wrecking like learns to Live now. Yeah, 794 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,439 Speaker 1: but it wasn't called Survivors. Remember he was a good movie. 795 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: Are you sure it wasn't called survewever? Yeah, it was 796 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: called Uh, I Can't Die or something like that. You're 797 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: thinking of Unbreakable, that's Bruce Willis Now. I watched that 798 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: the other night again, though, good movie. It holds up, 799 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: Huh it does. That's funny because that was the one 800 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: that was the toughest to watch the first time. I mean, 801 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: aside from signs and all that clapchat, but I mean, 802 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: like the sixth sense goes down easy. Sure, Unbreakable it 803 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,919 Speaker 1: takes a It's it doesn't go down quite as easy. 804 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: But I would suspect that means that it still resonates 805 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: more later. Yeah. He uh, fearless, fearless, I knew, what's 806 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,239 Speaker 1: something less? He um. I think the working title was 807 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: Survivor um. So that is from Beck's Bloomfield. And she 808 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,160 Speaker 1: is a graphic designer at Little Red Robot Design, which 809 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 1: you can find a Little Red Robot dot ceo dot 810 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,239 Speaker 1: m Z because she lives in New Zealand now and 811 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:53,759 Speaker 1: she is the one who sent in a picture of 812 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: her awesome dog, Stanley with holding a sign in his 813 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,440 Speaker 1: mouth saying I heart s Y s K, Emily and Becks. 814 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:06,359 Speaker 1: But everyone's okay, maybe take that as a gift. Yeah, 815 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,319 Speaker 1: it's a mulligan. She's over the guilt by now, I think. Okay. Well, 816 00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: if you have an amazing story that you want to share, 817 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: we love hearing those. 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