1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V. Wilson, 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: and I'm Holly Frye. Holly, you've been on kind of 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 2: an inventor kick lately, I have, and I'm joining you now. 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome to. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: In today's episode is actually on two sisters, Mary Beatrice 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: Davidson Kenner and Mildred Ethel Davidson Austin Smith. Beatrice's inventions 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: were focused largely on making life easier and less annoying 10 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 2: for herself and the people around her, including inventions related 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: to something I personally find pretty annoying, which is our periods. Uh. 12 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 2: Mildred's invention was more about family, and that invention grew 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: from her disability after she developed multiple sclerosis. This is 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: one of those subjects where there are just little bits 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: of misinformation and inaccuracies that have become incredibly widespread and 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: are now kind of taken as fact because different writers 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: have all been sourcing the same work and also sourcing 18 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: each other. So I've tried to sort out as much 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: of that as possible, but there are definitely still some gaps. Also, 20 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: there is a photo that is purportedly of Beatrice as 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: a young woman, that is just all over the place, 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 2: including as of when we recorded this, things like the 23 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: Wikipedia article about her. I'm ninety nine percent sure that 24 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: photo is really of Mildred. There's not really as much 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: recent writing about Mildred, but the photo that is sometimes 26 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: used for her is again I'm like ninety nine percent 27 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: sure that's really of Beatrice. And the reason that I 28 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 2: think this is that there are also some publicly available 29 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: photos of each of them from later on in their lives, 30 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: like one of b Beatrice that was included alongside an obituary, 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: and one of Mildred that was in a nineteen eighty 32 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: two article about her. That photo of the older Mildred 33 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: looks more like the photo that's usually used on articles 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: about Beatrice, and then the photo of older Beatrice looks 35 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 2: more like the one that is sometimes used for Mildred. 36 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 2: I also found a photo in newspaper coverage of Mildred's 37 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 2: career as a singer in the thirties that very strongly 38 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: resembles that photo that's usually used for Beatrice today. That's 39 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: just a thing to be aware of if you go 40 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: google these women and see the photos that are being used. 41 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: I will talk about the odd giggle this whole thing 42 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: gave me in behind the scenes on Friday, Okay. Mildred 43 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: and Beatrice came from a family of inventors. Their maternal grandfather, 44 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: Robert Pink Fronbarger, worked for a railroad company. In nineteen fifteen, 45 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: he and William Floyd Byrome were issued US Patent one 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: one three four eight seven one for a current supply 47 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: system for electrical railways. According to interviews that Beatrice and 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: Mildred gave later on in their lives, their grandfather also 49 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: invented a tricolor signaling system for trains, but he didn't 50 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: get the patent on that one. Fronberger was black, and 51 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: he demonstrated his invention to some white railroad men before 52 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: he had applied for a patent on it. They stole 53 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: that design from him, and because of the entrench systems 54 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: of racism that he was living and working in, there 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: really wasn't anything he could do about it. Mildred and 56 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: Beatrice's father, Sidney Nathaniel Davidson, was a Baptist minister, and 57 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: several of his brothers were ministers as well. Sydney had 58 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: a close pressing business and also owned a funeral home, 59 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: and he invented things that were related to both of 60 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: those professions. In nineteen fourteen, he was awarded a patent 61 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: on a close presser that could fit in a person's luggage, 62 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: as described in US Past at one zero eight eight 63 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: three two nine quote. The object of this invention resides 64 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 2: in the provision of a trouser's creasing device, wherein trousers 65 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: may be disposed in a flattened position to be pressed 66 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: and creased. This device had multiple hinged leaves with rounded ends, 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 2: so that the parts of the pants that were supposed 68 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: to be creased stayed creased, but the presser did not 69 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: make unwanted creases where the legs of the pants needed 70 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 2: to be folded to fit in the luggage. Beatrice and 71 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: Mildred later gave interviews in which they talked about what 72 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: happened with this invention. Apparently a company in New York 73 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: was interested in bringing it to market, but, possibly influenced 74 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: by his father in law's experience, Sidney tried to put 75 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: it into production himself with the help of one of 76 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: his brothers. According to Beatrice, he and a brother only 77 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 2: managed to make one presser, which they sold for fourteen dollars. 78 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: According to Mildred, Sidney wanted to develop it with his brothers, 79 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: but he couldn't get their interest, and ultimately he sold 80 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 2: the rights to the design for much less than she 81 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: thought it was worth. Later on, Sidney Davidson was also 82 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: issued US patent two six zero seven one zero three 83 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: on what he called a body lifter. This was meant 84 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: for mortuary staff to use to move people's bodies, and 85 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: it could also serve as a mortuary table. It was 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: designed to be easy to slip under a person's body, 87 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: and it could be used like a stretcher to carry 88 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: living people who for whatever reason couldn't be moved with 89 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: some other type of stretcher. He also designed a long 90 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: handled brush that could dispense water that was to be 91 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: used for washing trains, although I wasn't able to find 92 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 2: a patent for that one. Mary Beatrice Davidson was born 93 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: in Monroe, North Carolina, on May seventeenth, nineteen twelve. Her 94 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: name appears in multiple ways in newspapers and other written 95 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: documents from her lifetime, sometimes as Mary Beatrice, sometimes m Beatrice, 96 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 2: and sometimes just Beatrice. Later on in her life, people 97 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: called her aunt. B Monroe is considered part of the 98 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 2: Charlotte metropolitan area today, and Mildred Ethel Davidson was born 99 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: in Charlotte on January thirty first, nineteen sixteen. Beatrice and 100 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 2: Mildred also had two brothers, Perry, who was the oldest, 101 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: and Leyton, who was born between Beatrice and Mildred. The 102 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: family lived in a predominantly white part of town, and 103 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: when the children reached school age, they had to go 104 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: to private school because there wasn't a public school in 105 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: the neighborhood that would accept black children. When Beatrice was 106 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: five and Mildred was an infant, Beatrice was seriously burned. 107 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: Perry and a cousin had been told that if they 108 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: raked leaves, Santa Claus would be good to them, and 109 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: Beatrice thought that if she helped, he might be good 110 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: to her as well. 111 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: The boys had raked the lead into two piles, and 112 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: she decided to combine them, not realizing that they had 113 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: just set fire to one of those piles. She grabbed 114 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: an armful of leaves from that pile, and by the 115 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: time she realized they were burning, some of them were 116 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: sticking to her clothing. 117 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: Beatrice's burns were mainly around her mouth and chin, and 118 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: the doctors who came to see her did not expect 119 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: her to live because of the smoke and flame that 120 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: she had inhaled. At the time, the only hospital in 121 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: the Charlotte area that accepted black patients didn't have a 122 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: lot of experience treating burns, so her mother, Nelly, and 123 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: her paternal grandmother, who worked as both a midwife and 124 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: a veterinarian, cared for her around the clock themselves for weeks. 125 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: Beatrice recovered, but she had scars around her lips and chin, 126 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: which she was teased and bullied over. Even adults told 127 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: her that she would never amount to anything because of 128 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: the scars on her face. This is another reason why 129 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: it seems like those photos are probably miss attributed. There 130 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: is no suggestion of a scar in the photo that 131 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: is usually used to represent her. Beatrice described herself as 132 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: becoming more and more determined to make something of herself 133 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: every time someone said something like this to her. 134 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the photo that's usually used for Beatrice is like 135 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: a really pretty clear, straightforward view of her face, and 136 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: the ones that I think really are of Beatrice are 137 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: more like low resolution scans of things that ran in newspapers, 138 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: and so the photos are not as clear as the 139 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 2: one that's typically used for Beatrice that I think is 140 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 2: really of her sister. Beatrice also described herself as mechanically minded. 141 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: The first time she tried to invent something, she was 142 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: six years old. One of their doors had a squeaky hinge, 143 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: and after somebody oiled it, it would not take very 144 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 2: long for it to start squeaking again. She told her 145 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: mother that there should be a self oiling doorhinge, and 146 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 2: she had an idea for how to do this. She 147 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: worked on that idea until her hands hurt, but she 148 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: never quite nailed it. 149 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: Another idea she. 150 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: Had as a kid was a convertible roof that could 151 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: be used to protect the people who were riding on 152 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: the rumble seat of a car. And she designed a 153 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: sponge tip for the end of an umbrella so that 154 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 2: when you closed the umbrella and left it upside down 155 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: after you'd used it, the water would collect in that 156 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: sponge rather than pooling on the floor. 157 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: I think that's so ingenious. In nineteen twenty four, when 158 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: Beatrice was twelve and Mildred was eight, the family moved 159 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to Washington, d c. Their mother Nelly had a sister 160 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: who lived there and had fallen in love with the 161 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: city while visiting. This opened up some new educational opportunities 162 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 1: for the children. Paul Lawrence Dunbar High School was the 163 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: first public high school for black students in the United States, 164 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: and it had developed a reputation for academic excellence. Washington, 165 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: d in the nineteen twenties, was also a much bigger 166 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: city than Charlotte, and that brought some other opportunities for 167 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: the siblings. While their father was an inventor, their mother 168 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: loved art and music, and in the early nineteen thirties, Perry, Beatrice, 169 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: and Mildred formed a musical trio. Sometimes it was called 170 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: Spade Flush and sometimes Perry and his sisters. They started 171 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: performing publicly and on the radio, and they got some 172 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: interest to get a music deal, but Mildred was still 173 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: a minor and she would have needed their father's permission 174 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: to sign any kind of contract. Sidney would not give 175 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: that permission because he was concerned about what it would 176 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: look like for a minister to allow his children to 177 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: perform in public, even though two of the children were 178 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: effectively adults by that point. He also did not think 179 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: that the jazz music they were singing was appropriate. While 180 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: Sydney had owned multiple businesses in Charlotte, after the family 181 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: he moved to Washington, d C. He had trouble finding work. 182 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: According to an interview that Beatrice gave in the nineteen nineties, 183 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: he left Washington to conduct their oldest brother's funeral, and 184 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: he didn't come back but for a while afterward. He 185 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: did send money from time to time, but that doesn't 186 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: seem correct. The youngest of the Davidson siblings, Leyton, died 187 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty six at the age of eleven after 188 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: an accidental injury, and he was buried back in Charlotte. 189 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: But Perry lived until nineteen fifty six, when his sisters 190 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: were in their forties, and his funeral was held in Washington, 191 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: d C. When Sydney died, he was also living in 192 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: d C, and according to his death notice, he was 193 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: minister at Washington, d C's Guildfield Baptist Church. So it's 194 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: possible that Beatrice misspoke during this interview, or that the 195 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: interviewer misunderstood her, or that there's just some other explanation 196 00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: for this confusion. Beatrice and Mildred both graduated from Dunbar 197 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: High School, and as they became adults, their lives started 198 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: to diverge a little bit. 199 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: And we will take a quick sponsor break, and after 200 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: we get back we will focus more on Beatrice for 201 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: a little bit. We said earlier that Beatrice Davidson started 202 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: thinking of inventions when she was still a child. After 203 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 2: the family moved to Washington, d c. She started visiting 204 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: the US Patent and Trademark Office and learning how that 205 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: process worked and researching whether other people had already patented 206 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: any of her ideas. She also volunteered at a hospital, 207 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: and she wanted to train to become a nurse. She 208 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: said that she planned to go to the Tuskegee Institute 209 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: and that her father had said that he would pay 210 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 2: for her to go, but that money never materialized. It 211 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: is very possible that this was just because of what 212 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: was going going on in the world when Beatrice would 213 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: have been ready to go to nursing school. She graduated 214 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: from Dunbar in nineteen thirty one, so that was during 215 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: the Great Depression. Beatrice kept trying to invent things, and 216 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 2: she took on various jobs to try to earn enough 217 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 2: money to cover the cost of patenting them. She also 218 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 2: liked to cook and play the piano, and she really 219 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: liked to go out and see plays and other performances. 220 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: Eventually she got a job with the federal government. Various 221 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: sources say she started at the Census Bureau in nineteen 222 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: forty one and later moved on to the General Accounting 223 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: Office now known as the Government Accountability Office. This is 224 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: the independent, nonpartisan agency sometimes known as the investigative Arm 225 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: of Congress, which has existed to do things like audit 226 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: government agencies, investigate allegations of fraud and waste, and provide 227 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: reports on government efficiency since nineteen twenty one. For more 228 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 2: than one hundred years. 229 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: The GAO has done this through actual accounting, audit, and 230 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: nuns investigatory procedures, not by feeding things into a large 231 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: language model and using its output to decide what to 232 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: cut and who to fire. Several articles about Beatrice say 233 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: that during World War II, in addition to volunteering as 234 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: a nurse with the Red Cross, she worked as a 235 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: dance chaperone. Although she was unmarried at this point, she 236 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: would have been in her thirties. 237 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 2: A couple of sources say that she met a soldier 238 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: at one of these dances, fell in love with him, 239 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: and got married, with that marriage ending in a divorce 240 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: five years later. I could not find confirmation of this 241 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: marriage or who it was to, and Beatrice does not 242 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: mention it in the interviews that I had access to. 243 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: But her sister Mildred did get married in nineteen thirty eight, 244 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: and Mildred's husband did serve in World War Two, and 245 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: that marriage did end in divorce. So it is not 246 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: fully clear to me whether this is just another point 247 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: of confusion between the two sisters, or if Beatrice had 248 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: a man marriage in the forties that she just did 249 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: not want to talk about later. We do know that 250 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: Beatrice married James Kenner, known as Jabbo, in nineteen fifty one. 251 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: Jabo was one of the founders of the Black Police 252 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: Boys Club, a precursor to the Metropolitan Police Boys and 253 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: Girls Club. He had also been a professional boxer with 254 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: a promising career, including winning the Middle Atlantic Coast Black 255 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 2: Heavyweight Championship. His boxing style is where the name Jabbo 256 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: came from, but his boxing career had been derailed when 257 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: he contracted tuberculosis in nineteen forty three. That was the 258 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: same year that the antibiotic streptomycin was first isolated, which 259 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: was the first really effective treatment for TB. We covered 260 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: streptomisin's development on the show back in twenty thirteen. Jabo 261 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 2: was treated at Glendale Tuberculosis Sanitarium in Glendale, Maryland, and 262 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: it took years for him to fully recover. After that, 263 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: he focused on working with youth, including becoming director of 264 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: the Boys and Girls Club. A nineteen forty seven article 265 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: on him describes him as a hero to the area's youngsters. 266 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: As a little snapshot from their married life, Beatrice loved 267 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: to find four leaf clovers out in their yard, and 268 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: there was one patch of grass that she would not 269 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: let him cut so that she could hunt for clovers there. 270 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: When she found one, she would make a wish on 271 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: it and then she would press it in a book. 272 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: She and her husband worked together on youth programs and 273 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: they eventually became foster parents and they adopted at least 274 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: one son from foster care. Beatrice was awarded her first 275 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: patent in nineteen fifty six. That was US Patent two 276 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: seven four five four oh six sanitary belt. This is 277 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: something she had been working on and improving since she 278 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: was a teenager, and it is her most well known 279 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: invention today, so to talk about it, we need to 280 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the history of menstrual protection. 281 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 2: Generally speaking, in the very very distant past, it's likely 282 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: that people's menstrual periods were lighter and that people had 283 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: fewer of them because they were pregnant a lot more 284 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: often and also didn't have the robust nutrition that most 285 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: of us, at least here in the US have today. 286 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 2: The first written references to some kind of menstrual protection 287 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: are pretty recent relative to how long people have been 288 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: having periods. According to a number of sources, it is 289 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: the story of Hypatia throwing one of her menstrul rags 290 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: at a man who would not leave her alone. We 291 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: talk about that in our episode on Her that ran 292 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: as a Saturday Classic on January twentieth of twenty twenty four. 293 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: Hypatia lived around the fourth century, but this story about 294 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 2: her throwing her rags at someone that first appeared in 295 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: writing around the tenth century, So there's some speculation that 296 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: hundreds are maybe more like thousands of years ago. People 297 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 2: might have just bled into their clothes, especially since in 298 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: a lot of cultures it was and in some cases 299 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: still is expected for people to isolate themselves and rest 300 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: when they were menstruating. At some point people started using 301 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: some kind of absorbent material to try to contain the 302 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 2: blood during their periods, and historically there has been a 303 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: lot of ingenuity and problem solving involved in dealing with 304 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: menstrual bleeding. The kinds of materials people have used have 305 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 2: depended on where they lived and what was available there, 306 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: so rags, moss, wool paper, cotton, animal furs or skins, 307 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: and dried dung wrapped in cloth are among the many options. 308 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: A lot of times writing about this is really focused 309 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: on how some of these seem like they wouldn't work 310 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 2: very well, but like people were also figuring it out. Yeah, 311 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: were solving problems and discovering solutions. A lot of these 312 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: are also still in use in various places around the world, 313 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: and in some cases homemade homegrown products work fine. A 314 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: lot of them are definitely more sustainable than most of 315 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: today's mass produced tampons and pads, which can create a 316 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 2: lot of plastic waste. But for a lot of people, 317 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: options like rags or moss or animal dung just aren't 318 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: very comfortable or effective. Combined with stigma around menstruation and 319 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 2: a lack of access to reliable menstrual products and to 320 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 2: bathrooms and to clean water. All that together is a 321 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 2: source of systemic sex based disadvantage known as period poverty. 322 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: This includes kids in some parts of the world missing 323 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: school during their periods or dropping out of school entirely 324 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: after they start menstruating, and that brings us back to 325 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: Beatrice Kenner's invention. By the nineteenth century, people in Europe 326 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: and North America were mostly using some kind of pad 327 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: made of flannel or woven cloth, often homemade, which was 328 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: meant to be washed and reused. Then, in the late 329 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: nineteenth century, companies started making and selling disposable pads. 330 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: One of the first was released by Johnson and Johnson 331 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty seven, and it was called Lister's Towels 332 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: Sanitary Napkins for Ladies. Joseph Lister did not have anything 333 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: to do with this. His name was just associated with hygiene. 334 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: This pad had loops at each end that could be 335 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: threaded through a belt to hold it in place. Even 336 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: with the Lister name, though, these did not sell very well, 337 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: and that's attributed to how much stigma there was about 338 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: menstruation and people's reluctance to buy something that was obviously 339 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: for use during their periods. 340 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 2: For decades after this, commercially made pads followed this same 341 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: basic model. There was something absorbent that would be attached 342 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: to a belt with loops or clips or buttons or hooks. 343 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: That absorbent material improved during World War One alongside wound 344 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: dressings that were being used on the battlefield. Some sources 345 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 2: attribute part of this evolution to nurses using these dressings 346 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: as pads. A big innovation during this time was cell 347 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: you cotton, which was a cottony material made from cellulose. 348 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 2: So the shift to disposable, commercially made pads around the 349 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 2: turn of the twentieth century was simultaneously driven by the 350 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: hygiene movement, industrialization, and warfare. 351 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: While these pads were usually more absorbent than layers of 352 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: flannel or another cloth, they were still a lot bulkier 353 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: than most of today's commercial pads, and the belts had 354 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: a number of issues. Many of them were similarly bulky 355 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: and just uncomfortable to wear. Some of them were sold 356 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: by size, and they weren't really adjustable, so they could 357 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: become too big or too small if somebody's weight fluctuated 358 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: during their period, which is absolutely normal in the case 359 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. A lot of designs also 360 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: didn't really work well if someone was moving around a lot. 361 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: The pad was sort of suspended in the same place 362 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: all the time, regardless of whether someone was standing or 363 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: sitting or bending over, so when a person moved in 364 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: the pad didn't, it might not be in the right 365 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: place to absorb the blood anymore, and it could also 366 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: just bunch up uncomfortably under a person's clothing. 367 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 2: Beatrice's invention addressed a lot of these issues. It was, 368 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: in the words of her patent quote, extremely simple and construction, 369 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: easy to use, adjustable for various sized persons, well adapted 370 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: for its intended purpose, and very inexpensive to manufacture. It 371 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: was so compact and so inexpensive that it could be 372 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: included along with the pad in the dispensers in public places. 373 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: In addition to being adjustable, it included adhesive portions for 374 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 2: attaching the pad, and it was designed so that the 375 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 2: pad could slide back and forth, so it held the 376 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 2: pad snugly against the body, and as the wearer moved around, 377 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: the pad would slide along the middle part of the 378 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: belt and move with them so it stayed in the 379 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: right place. According to Beatrice's interviews, there was a company 380 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: interested in bringing this sanitary belt to market. Various articles 381 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: say it was the sun nap Pack Company. That first 382 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: part is spelled s NN, but this is probably a misspelling. 383 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: It's a name that only seems to exist in articles 384 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 2: about Beatrice Kenner. 385 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: On the other hand, san Nappack spelled sa N and 386 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: later called Doe Skin Products was a real company that 387 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: made things like facial tissue and cellulose sanitary napkins. In 388 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: Beatrice's account, someone from the company came to meet with 389 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: her and was obviously startled when they realized she was black, 390 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: and at that point they immediately lost interest. In nineteen 391 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: sixty nine, Beatrice was awarded US patent two eight eight 392 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: one seven six' one for an improvement on this. Design 393 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: it still featured an adjustable waste belts and attachments that 394 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: allowed the pad to move around with the. Wearer the 395 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: improvement was the attachment for the. Pad this time it 396 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: was a moisture proof pocket to help prevent. Leaks neither 397 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: Of Beatrice kenner's sanitary belt designs was ever brought to, 398 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: market and her patents expired in nineteen seventy. Three in 399 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, six a number of sources kind of make 400 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: it sound like manufacturers just jumped on her design once 401 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: her patents had, expired but that's not really the. Case 402 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: by the nineteen, seventies manufacturers were moving away from sanitary 403 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 1: belts thanks to the development of adhesives that could keep 404 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: a pad attached to a person's underwear without damaging that 405 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: underwear when the pad was. Removed the first adhesive pads 406 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: were introduced in nineteen sixty, nine And kenner's first patent 407 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: did involve an, adhesive but the adhesive itself was not 408 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: described in that. 409 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 2: Patent by the time her patents, expired there were also other, 410 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: modern commercial made options for menstrual, protection including tampons and menstrul. 411 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,439 Speaker 2: Cups both of these had already existed in some form before, 412 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: that but they were introduced as manufactured consumer products in 413 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: the nineteen. Thirties tampons took a while to catch on 414 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: because of concerns about safety and, hygiene and stigma and 415 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 2: misconceptions around the concept of, virginity but by the seventies 416 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 2: tampons were widely available and they had become a lot more. 417 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 2: Popular menstrul cups also didn't really catch on, immediately but 418 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: they have had a resurgence in more recent. Years Beatrice 419 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: kenner's next patent has a connection to her. Sister so 420 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: we're going to take another sponsor break and then hop 421 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: over To mildred's story for a. Bit, earlier we talked about, 422 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: how while still a, Teen Mildred davidson had started performing 423 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: as a singer with her. Siblings she described singing as 424 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: being in her. Blood after she graduated From Dunbar High, 425 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: school she wasn't really sure what she wanted to do 426 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 2: with her, life and she took a little time trying 427 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: to figure it. Out after she decided to make music her, 428 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: career she enrolled At Howard University school Of, music which 429 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: is now part Of Howard's CHADWICK. A Bosman college Of Fine. 430 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: Arts she studied there for about two and a half, 431 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 2: years and while she was still in, college she also 432 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: started touring as a. Singer as we mentioned, earlier On 433 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 2: january twenty, ninth nineteen thirty, eight just a couple of 434 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: days before her twenty second, Birthday mildred got married To 435 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: Ralph Edward, austin and they had two, Sons ronald And Ralph. 436 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 2: Junior Ralph senior was a, minister and he seems to 437 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 2: have had similar opinions About mildred's musical career to the 438 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: ones that her, Father sidney. Had mildred was offered the 439 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: chance to audition for the role Of carmen in an 440 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: all black staging of that, opera But ralph objected to 441 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: the idea of her playing that, role basically Describing carmen 442 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: as having low. Morals So mildred didn't do, it and 443 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: that was something she expressed regret about. Later at some, 444 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 2: Point mildred And ralph, divorced and by the time her 445 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 2: father died in nineteen fifty, six she had Married Ray. 446 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: Smith that marriage eventually ended in divorce as. Well mildred 447 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: did keep, singing though in addition to her solo performances 448 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 2: she performed with The National Negro Opera. Company she also 449 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 2: sang in a number of church choirs and eventually became 450 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: choir director At Tabor Presbyterian church In, washington d. 451 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: C like her, Sister mildred was a federal, employee also 452 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: working at The General Accounting. Office she left THE goo 453 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty one at the age of forty, five 454 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: because she was experiencing disabling physical symptoms that were affecting 455 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: her ability to, work and these symptoms also affected her musical. 456 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: Career she was diagnosed with multiple spleurosis in nineteen sixty. 457 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: FOUR ms is believed to be an autoimmune. Disease it 458 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 2: involves the body's immune system attacking the milind sheath that 459 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 2: protects the nerve. FIBERS a person's exact symptoms depend on 460 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: which nerves are, affected so these symptoms can include things 461 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: like numbness and, tingling a lack of, coordination blindness and 462 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 2: other visual, disturbances, dizziness slurred speech and, mood and cognitive. 463 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: Changes most people WITH ms have a type known as relapsing, 464 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: remitting in which a person experiences cycles of symptom flare 465 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 2: ups followed by periods of relative, remission and this was 466 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: the case For. Mildred after her, Diagnosis mildred became a 467 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: spokesperson for people WITH, ms holding educational lectures for women's 468 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: clubs and other groups about the. Disease she also worked 469 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: with The outreach chapter of The National Multiple Sclerosis, society 470 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 2: which had been established as advancement of research on multiple. 471 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: Sclerosis in nineteen forty, six she also did one on 472 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: one outreach to other people WITH ms and their. Families 473 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 2: As MILDRED'S ms, progressed she started using a walker for, 474 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: mobility and in nineteen seventy, six her Sister beatrice was 475 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: AWARDED us patent three nine five seven zero seven to, 476 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: one which was. QUOTE a carrier attachment including a rigid 477 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: tray section and a pocket section is suspended by connecting 478 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 2: straps from one side of the top. Frame the tray 479 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: section can be swung to operative position above and supported 480 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: by the top frame. Member this was both a pocket 481 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: and a. Tray the background section of this patent notes 482 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: that while walkers provided a stable supporting structure and valuable 483 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: mobility assistance to people who used, them their shape and 484 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: their structure also limited a person's ability to hold and 485 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: carry things that they might. Need so this device worked 486 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 2: with a structural frame design that was really commonly used 487 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: among most of the walkers of the, era and it 488 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: provided both a way to carry things and a flat 489 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 2: surface to put things on when. Needed by this point 490 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 2: In beatrice's, life she And jabbo had moved To McLean. 491 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: Virginia beatrice had left her job with the federal government 492 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: after a series of experiences in which white people with 493 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 2: less experience were promoted over. Her she had opened her 494 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: own flower, shop eventually operating five of them in and 495 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: around The, WASHINGTON dc. Area this is something else that 496 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: the sisters had in. Common mildred had also run her 497 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: own flower, shop and later in, life ran the flower 498 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 2: shop for her, Church Shiloh Baptist, church which named her 499 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 2: Its woman of The year in nineteen eighty. One mildred 500 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: started developing her invention around the same time That beatrice 501 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: was patenting that walker carrier. Attachment during a particularly BAD ms, 502 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: Flare mildred wasn't able to leave her, bed and she 503 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: said that during that time she thought a lot about 504 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: her family and how good they had been to, her 505 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 2: and also what a big family it, was and how 506 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: hard it could be to keep up with how everyone 507 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 2: was related to everyone. Else this became the inspiration for 508 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 2: a board game Called Family. Traditions Family traditions involved a 509 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 2: set of playing, cards each of them labeled and illustrated 510 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: with a family member or a family. Relationship cards were 511 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: shuffled and dealt to the players who used sets of 512 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 2: three cards to fill in family relationships on a game, 513 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: board such as my mother's son is my, brother but 514 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 2: also more distant relationships like third and fourth. Cousins players 515 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 2: got points for each relationship they created on the, board 516 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 2: with different family members and relationships earning different numbers of, 517 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: points but they lost points for any cards left over 518 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: in their hand at the end of the. Game mildred 519 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: was AWARDED us patent for two three zero three two 520 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: one on this game In october of nineteen eighty and 521 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: she also trademarks the name and logo and registered the 522 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 2: copyright on the game. Rules mildred borrowed some money From 523 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 2: beatrice so that she could publish this game, herself selling 524 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 2: out of the first printing of one hundred. Copies she 525 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: followed this with another run of five hundred more copies 526 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 2: of the. Game she also created a braille, edition and 527 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty, two she told a reporter that her 528 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 2: dream was for her game to become as big As 529 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: monopoly and allow her to start a company of her 530 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: own that she would staff with other disabled. People On 531 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 2: october nineteenth of nineteen eighty, Two beatrice was AWARDED us 532 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: patent four three five four six' four to three bathroom. 533 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: Tissue holder this was a device that could attach to 534 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: a person's existing toilet paper holder on, the wall which 535 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: would always keep the free out of the toilet, paper 536 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: available so you didn't have to spin the roll around hunting. 537 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: For it this looked a. 538 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: Little like a short ladder with hooks at, one end 539 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: which could attach to the rod on. The holder the 540 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: free end of the toilet paper would then be threaded 541 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: through the bottom two rungs of. The Ladder on, december 542 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: thirteenth nineteen, Eighty three, Beatrice's husband jabbo died after retiring 543 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: as director Of the Boys And. Girls club he had 544 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: continued to volunteer with young People, in washington. D c 545 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: and in the other places where He and. Beatrice lived 546 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: there are still youth leagues and facilities in the area 547 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: named after. Him today in nineteen, Eighty four beatrice became 548 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: ill and she needed. An ambulance she was living In 549 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: the kingshill Area, Of, williamsburg virginia where She and jabo 550 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: had moved a few years before. His death she was, 551 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: ultimately fine but it took a while for the ambulance 552 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: to get to her because of. Traffic congestion around The 553 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: Nearby bush gardens, theme park and this prompted her to 554 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: write a letter To The Newport News daily press proposing 555 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: a solution that an emergency lane be built in the 556 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: grassy media Area of, route sixty which Ran Past. Bush 557 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: gardens she wrote that this would allow emergency vehicles to 558 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: respond faster and also prevent lawsuits against the county in 559 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: the amusement park if people died or lost their homes 560 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: to a fire because emergency vehicles couldn't. Get through she 561 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,280 Speaker 1: handed her letter to the, EDITOR quote i am aware 562 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: that this has been recognized as a. Problem, area however 563 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: recognition solves no problems and saves. 564 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 2: No lives in nineteen, Eighty seven beatrice was issued another 565 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 2: patent number four six nine six zero Six eight shower 566 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: wall and bathtub. Mounted backwasher this is a pad of 567 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 2: foam covered in terrycloth mounted to a rigid plate that 568 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 2: could be stuck to the shower wall with. Suction cups 569 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: it had a pouch for a bar of, soap quote 570 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 2: so that a person taking a shower or bath can 571 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 2: position their back or any other inaccessible area of their 572 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,439 Speaker 2: body against the surface of the terry cloth or other 573 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 2: fabric cover by my removing the body area engaged with 574 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 2: the cover provide a washing or massaging function on the 575 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 2: surface area of. The body the fabric elements of this 576 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 2: invention were all removable so that they could. Be laundered 577 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 2: it's not documented anywhere whether the backwasher and the toilet 578 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: paper holder came About because beatrice was trying To make 579 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: mildred's home, more accessible but it's certainly within the realm. 580 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: Of possibility sometime after this last patent, Was awarded beatrice 581 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: also finished writing, an autobiography which she Titled It Burned 582 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: my body but Not My soul And to tracy's knowledge, 583 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 2: in mind this was. Never PUBLISHED. Mildred e smith died At, 584 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: her washington. D c Home on, january thirtieth nineteen, ninety 585 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 2: three at the age of. Seventy seven beatrice kept inventing 586 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 2: things to the rest of, her life although she didn't 587 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 2: patent any. Of them in, her eighties she worked on 588 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: a protective device for seat belts that She called nicholas 589 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: to keep the belt from biting into a. Person's neck 590 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 2: she said she really needed this because she was. 591 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: So short. SHOUT out i agree with HER because i 592 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: have the. Same problem some of the inventions she talked 593 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: about in the last couple of decades of her life 594 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: sound a bit more fanciful than the practical ones that 595 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: she was issued, patents on like a portable car garage 596 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: and a passenger airplane design that would eject debris away 597 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: from the passengers in the event of. 598 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: A Crash beatrice kenner Died on, january thirteenth two thousand, 599 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 2: and Six At sibley Hospital, in WASHINGTON. D c at 600 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 2: the age of. 601 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: Ninety three various Sources Say beatrice kenner was awarded more 602 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: patents than any other black WOMAN in, us history but 603 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: that's almost impossible, to substantiate since patent applications don't include 604 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: a disclosure of a. Person's race in, some ways this 605 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: leveled the playing field for, black inventors who could file 606 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: patent applications themselves or with the help of attorneys at 607 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: a time when racism would have kept them from accessing. 608 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: Other institutions at the, same time the patent process was 609 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: still influenced by the same systemic patterns of discrimination as 610 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: everything else In The. United states patenting and invention still, 611 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: cost money and so did defending a patent, in court 612 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: and there's been racial bias in the courtroom for the 613 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: entire history Of The. United states it, is, clear Though 614 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: that Mildred and beatrice were, both creative innovative women who 615 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 1: both were very savvy about protecting their inventions, through, patents trademarks. 616 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: AND copyright i. 617 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: Kind of love both. 618 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: Of, them yeah they're. Pretty. 619 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: GREAT uh i kept just stumbling onto new THINGS that i, Was, 620 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 2: like oh. 621 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: THAT'S delightful. 622 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 2: I also have listener mail about something, else delightful which. 623 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: Is, Pens, oh pens we. Love. 624 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 2: You yeah this Came. From trish, TRISH wrote i love 625 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 2: listening to, your show especially the episodes about people and 626 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 2: TOPICS that i would never look. Into myself my favorite 627 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 2: shows are the ones that dig into topics that are 628 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 2: often considered boring to and make. Them interesting you do 629 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 2: that very well and make my days much. More interesting 630 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 2: i've developed a habit of spouting random bits of trivia. And. 631 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 2: CONVERSATIONS though i was so happy when this week's topic, 632 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 2: was pens even if the focus was. BALLPOINT pens i 633 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 2: decided to start Journaling in december of. Twenty nineteen this 634 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 2: turned out to be a. GOOD idea i started going 635 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 2: through so many, pens gelpins MOSTLY that i felt guilty 636 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: about the. Plastic WASTE when i search for something more, 637 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 2: ENVIRONMENTALLY friendly i fell down the rabbit hole of fountain pen. 638 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 2: Collection culture you can spend a lot of money on. 639 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 2: One pen luckily, for me you can also get some 640 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 2: decent ones for less than twenty. FIVE dollars i grew 641 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 2: up down the road from one of the main cross 642 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 2: pen Factories In, rhode island and my dad carried one 643 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 2: of their fountain pens every day for as LONG as i. 644 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 2: Can remember when he retired a little early in, twenty 645 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 2: twenty he gave me that pen EVERY time i, use 646 00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: it which is pretty much EVERY day i think. OF 647 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 2: him a good fountain can last. For generations as, a 648 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 2: tip if you don't live near one of the few 649 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 2: places that still specialize in fountain pens and have trouble WITH, 650 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 2: the nib a jeweler can often help. Fix it, pun intended. 651 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 2: Not sorry thank you again for finding and sharing all 652 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 2: the interesting things behind. Everyday topics as a, pet tax 653 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 2: here is My, dog penny who seems to have melted in, 654 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,359 Speaker 2: the heat and my feisty but Dumbed, turtle gulliver who 655 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 2: sometimes tries to get off her rock in the wrong 656 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 2: direction and needs to. Be. Rescued trish thank you, So 657 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 2: much trish for this email and for. These pictures we. 658 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 1: Have a picture of. 659 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: A turtle this turtle appears to, be sideways not quite 660 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,320 Speaker 2: the direction that the turtle should. Be oriented, and, also 661 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 2: yes a puppy dog doing the thing where they stretch 662 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 2: out with as much of them, as possible touching the 663 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 2: floor where. It's cool the. Swoop yep thank you So 664 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:09,480 Speaker 2: much trish for. This Email maybe i'll give fountain pens 665 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 2: another go someday and SEE if i can find one 666 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 2: with a nib that does not feel unpleasant to me to, 667 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 2: write with because that was my big. 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