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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarre. Everybody nailed it Joined has always by

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Speaker 2: power Bar Gablita Risk Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 3: Teams that commit ten and more penalties in the last

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Speaker 3: ten years only win forty four percent of the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could do that with anything. The teams

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Speaker 2: that teams that only throw for one hundred and fifty yards,

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Speaker 2: there's my point. But nobody but because one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty yards is an ab normally low numbers, okay, right,

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Speaker 2: Ten penalties is an a normally high numbers.

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Speaker 1: Right, So that's my point. There's no correlation between penalties

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Speaker 1: and winning. What was the exact I don't want to

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Speaker 1: miss quote what was the exact thing?

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Speaker 3: They don't impact with.

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Speaker 2: The three things win loss as much as three things

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Speaker 2: most turnover margin yeh epau per, drop back and rush differentials.

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Speaker 2: Those are the three things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, penalties aren't the most impactful thing, not a top

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Speaker 1: three thing, but.

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Speaker 3: It can be if you.

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Speaker 1: Let them become a problem.

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Speaker 2: That's a really good opening for this week, Alex, because

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Speaker 2: we're gonna do the good, the bad, and the stuff

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Speaker 2: that gets you beat. And I texted Alex when I

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Speaker 2: was doing some show prep, and I said, do we

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Speaker 2: have anything that the Patriots did in this game that

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Speaker 2: got them beat or could get them beat? I should say,

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Speaker 2: since they didn't get beat, could get them beat. And

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Speaker 2: we had a philosophical discussion last week of can you

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Speaker 2: win a game and do stuff that gets you beat?

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Speaker 2: And this week I had a really difficult time, Alex,

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Speaker 2: thinking of anything that they did in this football game

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Speaker 2: that belongs in the stuff that gets you beat. It

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Speaker 2: was really that good of a performance by the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: We philosophically disagree a little bit on penalties, which is

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Speaker 2: the one thing that you pointed out. And I wanted

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Speaker 2: to start the show with nothing but flowers, and of

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Speaker 2: course I'm going right to the stuff that gets you beat.

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Speaker 2: But it was such a short list that that's the

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Speaker 2: flowers that this performance on Sunday against the Carolina Panthers

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Speaker 2: was that good that I really did not have many

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Speaker 2: quibbles with this game. So we'll get to the good,

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Speaker 2: the bad, and the stuff that gets you beat. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to three up three down here today, and I

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Speaker 2: also sincerely want to do a Bill's preview this week.

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Speaker 3: You just want to talk about Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: No, I want to do a Bill's preview. And the

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Speaker 2: reason why I'm excited about doing one is because this

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Speaker 2: is the first time in a long time that I

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Speaker 2: can remember where it actually matters, like the matchups and

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Speaker 2: the schemes game and the chess match it all. Actually

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Speaker 2: we can go maybe and I don't want to get

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Speaker 2: too ahead of myself, are too excited, but we can

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Speaker 2: maybe actually go back to analyzing the games, you know,

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Speaker 2: and actually like talking a show on the draft, like

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Speaker 2: the matchups and and uh, you know, big games and

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Speaker 2: Sunday night football and stakes and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: So that's a that's the show Rundown for today. We'll

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Speaker 2: take your calls and emails in the second hour of

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Speaker 2: the show, uh, and then we'll get us rolling here.

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Speaker 2: But that's my opening take about this game against the

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Speaker 2: Panthers was that this was probably the cleanest football game

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Speaker 2: that the New England Patriots have played in I would

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Speaker 2: say three years, eight months and twenty six days, which

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Speaker 2: was the Jacksonville fifty berg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty one since this, since that from that game,

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Speaker 1: going back to the end of the twenty one season,

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Speaker 1: it would I don't remember if we talked. I think

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Speaker 1: we did talk about this. The last time they won

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Speaker 1: at home in September. Their starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Was last time they won at home in September.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Before this game, Tom Brady, Uh, well, you actually overshot it.

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Speaker 1: Most people had said Mac Jones is Cam Newton's Cam.

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Speaker 1: I was close against the Week three That was actually

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Speaker 1: a fun game. Yeah, the first time they're at five

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Speaker 1: first time they've had and I don't know how deep

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Speaker 1: you want to dig into this one, Evan. So the

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Speaker 1: Miami game, they had five different players score a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: That was the first time, not five. There had been

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Speaker 1: other times they scored five touchdowns, but there was a

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: It was the first time they had five different players

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Speaker 1: They had six different players score a touchdown for the

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Speaker 1: first time since Week two twenty nineteen. You know game

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Speaker 1: that is Oh no, So here's your touchdown scores. Now

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Speaker 1: when Tom Brady, Yeah, James White, Brandon Bolden, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to do this off the top of my head.

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Speaker 1: There's a linebacker in there. I think it's Jamie Collins.

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Speaker 1: I'll double check that, Stefan Gilmour and Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Miami, Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That's that's obviously not something.

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Speaker 2: Trust my gut more on those.

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Speaker 1: That's not something that's going to be a regular occurrence.

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Speaker 1: Obviously having six different players. It was Jamie Collins sixty

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Speaker 3: They had two pick sixes in the fourth quarter that game.

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Speaker 1: It's not something that's going to happen a ton, But

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Speaker 1: I think it speaks to how they've built this thing

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Speaker 3: Having Josh McDaniels back in the picture.

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Speaker 1: Did they have I mean they must have, but like,

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Speaker 1: how many different players scored a touchdown off last season?

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Speaker 2: More than six, but more than six. But like, I

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Speaker 2: think the point that you're getting at though, and this

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Speaker 2: of course, you know, Josh McDaniels and Drake May and

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Speaker 2: this whole marriage.

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Speaker 1: So this whole system, by the way, they had eras,

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Speaker 1: defensive touchdowns last year, right, No, they didn't.

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Speaker 3: They had won. So they had thirteen total players score

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Speaker 3: a touchdown last year. They had six in this game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think this comes back to, you know,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to start with McDaniels in May obviously, and

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Speaker 2: Week one, Kayshaun Boody, right, leading receiver for the team,

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Speaker 2: Remandra game has the fifty five yard catch, runs the

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Speaker 2: Week three it's Hunter Henry eight catches ninety yards, two touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: This week it's Stefan Diggs. They do not have necessarily

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Speaker 2: But on paper, they don't necessarily have a true Jamar

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Speaker 2: got great bounce, no balance. We often talk about run

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Speaker 2: pass balance, but this is also just balance of distributing

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Speaker 2: the football. Drake May has distributed the ball in the

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Speaker 2: tight ends, receivers, everybody is getting looks from Drake May.

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Speaker 2: And when I think about the Josh McDaniels offense, and

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Speaker 2: when I think about it at its peak with Brady

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Speaker 2: the Josh McDaniels offense when it's at its peak, the

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Speaker 2: open guy is getting the football. It's not he doesn't

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Speaker 2: or having tunnel vision for his first read or digs

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Speaker 2: And that tells you that that's a quarterback that is

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Speaker 2: that that's the right decision here, and I'm willing to

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Speaker 2: make it. And that's when you start to get a

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Speaker 2: think you see that with all these different guys across

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Speaker 2: here too, of Josh Allen's development is his willingness to

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Speaker 2: playing in structure. And I think we're just had a

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Speaker 2: and Josh McDaniels. In that respect, I want to break

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Speaker 2: out the McDaniels offense and what we're seeing him run

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Speaker 2: with Drake May into kind of buckets here in the subcategories,

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Speaker 2: if you will, because the other element of this Alex.

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Speaker 2: That I've just been really geeked up about with Josh

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Speaker 2: McDaniels is how much he has changed his offense to

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Speaker 2: cater it to Drake may.

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Speaker 1: I wonder who was talking about that when he got

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Speaker 2: It's it's really cool to see the different scheme elements

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Speaker 2: that he's brought to the table. This is not the

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Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels offense circa twenty sixteen. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: there aren't things in it that are similar Certainly in

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Speaker 2: the drop back passing game there are similarities, but they

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Speaker 2: have done some things that I just frankly did not

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Speaker 2: know Josh McDaniels had in his bag, not because he's

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Speaker 2: not capable, but because he's never really shown it because

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Speaker 2: of the personnel that he's had, right, And the biggest one,

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Speaker 2: of course, is all like the moving pockets and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that. You just weren't going to do that with

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Speaker 2: a bootleg quarterback. That just wasn't going to be something

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Speaker 2: that you were going to scheme with with Brady, and

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Speaker 2: he was the greatest of all time at a bunch

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Speaker 2: of other different things, but that was not one area

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Speaker 2: So what the Patriots have done, and as we start

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Speaker 2: to go into these subcategories, I want to start with

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Speaker 2: like what they're doing from under center, And they're underneath

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Speaker 2: center quite a bit as an offense, you know, top

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Speaker 2: ten in the league there in under center rate old

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Speaker 2: McDaniels would go under center, they'd run gap right, they

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Speaker 2: run power, they run lead, they run counter, they run trap,

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Speaker 2: they run wham, and all these different gap schemes to

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Speaker 2: get downhill on the defense. But those gap schemes, for

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Speaker 2: of them in this game against Carolina, those gas schemes,

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Speaker 1: It's never the same in December as it is in September,

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels when he's at his best. It's catered to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of good points, and I just.

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Speaker 3: Bit about this.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Brown, right, and we all ultimately don't know who's

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Speaker 3: But as the past game coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Your station, sir loves loves this topic. What topic.

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Speaker 1: There's other coaches now, Row h Thomas Brown, Doug Marone,

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Speaker 1: The the schematic edge you would expect to have. And look,

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Speaker 3: Wins the game. I just want fun tape.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that side of it, is it safe to

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Speaker 2: Why do you think I'm so giddy about all this?

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Speaker 2: Downing is that he conceptually. Because of his coordinator background,

437
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 2: he understands how the routes fit into the bigger picture.

438
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 2: So he can explain to Pop Douglas and Kyle Williams, Hey,

439
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: we're going to have you run these two posts. We're

440
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,880
Speaker 2: gonna have you run this Dino concept on the left

441
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 2: hand side here, because we're actually clearing out space for

442
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs to run a crossing route underneath the two

443
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: deep routes. And even though you might not get the

444
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: football like, your route is really important in terms of

445
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 2: the spacing, in terms of the way the defense plays it,

446
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: So you need to run that route like you are

447
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 2: going to get the football. So the two of them

448
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,199
Speaker 2: take off on the left side of the formation, and

449
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 2: the post safety in the deep middle of the field.

450
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: He's got to stay over the top of the two

451
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 2: deep post routes because he has no other choice otherwise

452
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: it's going to be a sixty yard bomb over his head.

453
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: And so Stefan Diggs is just wide open underneath the

454
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: coverage running away from man to man. So these the

455
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,239
Speaker 2: elements of their dropback game that I think are the

456
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Speaker 2: most impressive to me is how well space they are

457
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 2: and how well just well, frankly coordinated they have been

458
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: in that aspect, and we have not seen that really

459
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 2: going back all the way to twenty twenty one, Like

460
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, all the spacing and that type of

461
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: stuff started to creep up in the Patricia offense and

462
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: they never really got it out of their system. They

463
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: were never able to get that back to where it

464
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: needed to be. In short order, this coaching staff has

465
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: gotten this passing game back to where it needs to be.

466
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Speaker 2: And I want to talk about Drake May here in

467
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Speaker 2: a second. I don't know if you had any other

468
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Speaker 2: thoughts about that, but some of these numbers that Drake

469
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Speaker 2: May is putting up in the first month of the season,

470
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Speaker 2: you have to like remind yourself that it's only been

471
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Speaker 2: four games. But do you have any other thoughts on that?

472
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Speaker 3: Just on the schematic stuff.

473
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Speaker 1: And you kind of touched on the motion there from

474
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Speaker 1: going way back, and I apologize if you mentioned it though.

475
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Speaker 3: It was good. It was a lot. It was good.

476
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Speaker 1: The two play sequence in the second quarter. Yeah, where

477
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: so first off, and we can get into how they

478
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: used Remandra in all of that and him starting and

479
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: him playing the most snaps of any running back they've

480
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: been using a lot of two back, and this is

481
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Speaker 1: where I get to the elevation of the Josh McDaniels offense.

482
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Speaker 3: Right, they've been using a.

483
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Speaker 1: Lot of two back, but it's been traditional pony. It's

484
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 1: it's Drake May and the shotgun with a running back

485
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: on either side, or in a handful of times like

486
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: they used Antonio Gibson as a fullback, right they So

487
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: you don't know that when you're in the defense, they're

488
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: in the huddle, you're just like two backs. So they're

489
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Speaker 1: probably assuming, all right, they're gonna go pony he or

490
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Speaker 1: whatever this or that they come out. I don't know

491
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Speaker 1: how many times they've done it before this game, Evan,

492
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Speaker 1: you might have this off the top of your head

493
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Speaker 1: where they came out two back with the running back

494
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Speaker 1: out wider in the slot.

495
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Speaker 3: Like they definitely hadn't done it a lot before this game.

496
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Speaker 2: In training camp. Yeah, and so I knew that that

497
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: was in their bag, but they hadn't done it necessarily

498
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: a ton in game yet.

499
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Speaker 1: So they come out, they put Antonio Gibson in the slot,

500
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Speaker 1: Vermandra Stevenson behind Drake Manders center. They put Gibson on

501
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: the jet motion yep, hand it off to him, end around,

502
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: good blocks from Hunter Henry and Stefan Diggs. Gibson breaks

503
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: a tackle, goes to twenty one. Like great play, right,

504
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: good play. You'd show them a little bit of a

505
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: different wrinkle. They're running back in the slot. You do

506
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Speaker 1: the motion, but if you watch May after the handoff,

507
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: he still kind of leans and it's a fake handoff

508
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: after the real handoff, which sometimes because you see that

509
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: sometimes on like draws or whatever, and you know the

510
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: quarter or on whatever, Like it's a fake handoff after

511
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: the real handoff. But they kind of go stretch left

512
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: with Ramandre after the end around the jet sweep to

513
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 1: the right. So they come back the very next play.

514
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: It's not the exact same formation, but again you've it's

515
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: Travon Henderson now and stead out. Yeah, so I know

516
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: why that happened, But keep keep going Hender, Why what happened?

517
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Speaker 2: Why it was Henderson instead of Gibson.

518
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Speaker 1: But so I think it's Henderson because Okay, you hit

519
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: them with this, you know jet motion play. Now let's

520
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: put the guy in who's really the game breaker, who's

521
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: kind of the ideal person do that.

522
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: That's not why, But keep Okay, finish your post.

523
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Speaker 1: Be part of the reason they put him it wasn't

524
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: They put him in the in the same motion, yes,

525
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: and the entire defense comes crashing, not the entire defense,

526
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: but like the linebackers, like all come crashing down to

527
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: that motion the jet right because may even fakes the handoff.

528
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: He comes back left, stretch, run ramand right he rips

529
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Speaker 1: it off for twenty two. That's and talking to David

530
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: Andrews on Monday, you know, I got to get the

531
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Speaker 1: plug in for the Andrews podcast.

532
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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what did David Andrews I think

533
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: about this game?

534
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: I was waiting, Well, so for that play is really

535
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: interesting because he kind of talked about how he can

536
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: hear like a lot of the calls in his head

537
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,479
Speaker 1: when he sees him. He didn't know what that was.

538
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: That's not something they've run before. That was new, so

539
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: new wrinkle using the setup to build a shot playoff

540
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: of it.

541
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Speaker 3: I loved that everything about that sequence that was awesome.

542
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 3: But why was it?

543
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 2: I'll tell you in a second, But I think that

544
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: just like because I you know, I could talk about

545
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: motion all day. Yuck, Like this is my wheelhouse. This

546
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: is why and I know I sound like a broken

547
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: record when I constantly bring up motion rates and things

548
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: like that, But this is why I love it so much,

549
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: because the impact that it has on the defense, to me,

550
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: makes it's so much more like important, vital than and

551
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: maybe some of the drawbacks that it might have for

552
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: the offense, Like the drawback that it has for the

553
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: offense that I hear a lot of the time from

554
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 2: talking to like offensive coordinators and stuff, is that it

555
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: changes the defense's picture, right, because it's going to change

556
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 2: how the defense is distributing after the snap, and you

557
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: have to have a quarterback that is quick on his feet,

558
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: and I kind of can process that. Sometimes quarterbacks don't

559
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: like it, like Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers notoriously did

560
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 2: not like motion. They wanted stagnant formation so that they

561
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: could see the shell that the defense was in and

562
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: then make decisions because if you motion, now the shell

563
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 2: changes and so you have to change with it. But

564
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: that's the drawback that people say with motion. But the

565
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: benefit is exactly what you're talking about, which is that

566
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: you can really get I can't need to make defenders

567
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: bite on certain things and then you can hit them

568
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: in different places. And this is what the whole Shanahan

569
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: Tree has based their entire offense off of. Is you're

570
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: gonna be looking over here because we're going to put

571
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: all this eye candy, your window dressing over here, but

572
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: we're actually trying to throw the ball or run the

573
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: ball over there, and it's really difficult to stay home,

574
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: Like it's really difficult. And then you can also have

575
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: all these different elements off the motion that you can script.

576
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: So now they showed the jet motion with Gibson, then

577
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: they handed off to Remandre. Well, now you can play

578
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: action fake off the motion, off the off the handoff,

579
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: and now all of a sudden you just create this

580
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: like chain reaction in the defense and that's where you

581
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: really get those scripted plays going. No, the the reason

582
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: why the personnel changed was that Gibson landed on the

583
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: football on the jet notion, he got went knocked out

584
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: of him and he got he had to come out

585
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: for a couple of plays.

586
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Speaker 1: So do you think they run that play again with Gibson,

587
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: I like, if they were that was supposed to be

588
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: Gibson back to back.

589
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so they's supposed to be Gibson and Remandre again.

590
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: I do think it's an ad element with Henderson his

591
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: speed there.

592
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: It ended up working out and all well in all

593
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: that elements of that too, so that that's the offense breakdown.

594
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: Hopefully I didn't overload you too much with the jargon,

595
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: but it just this toughest. I have to like remind

596
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: myself to be, you know, to remain calm about this.

597
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: And I would say the same thing about Drake May

598
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: and some of the advanced analytics in the numbers that

599
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: he is putting up right now in terms of the

600
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Speaker 2: efficiency we all. I feel like in some respects, I

601
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: personally am just set up for failure, Like that's just

602
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: like the way I think. So I'm just waiting for

603
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: the shoot to drop, like I'm waiting for him to

604
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: regress back to the mean or something like that. But

605
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: there is a chance, Alex that he's just good and

606
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 2: this is just what they're going to be. There's a chance.

607
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: The fact that I can sit here and say that

608
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: through four weeks of the season, the Patriots are third

609
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Speaker 2: in the league in EPA per dropback. Third in the

610
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Speaker 2: league in EPA per dropback on passing downs is the

611
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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, with the MVP of the league, the Green

612
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: Bay Packers and the Patriots. Like, that's incredible. I don't

613
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: care what four games stretch of the season. We were

614
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: talking about.

615
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Speaker 1: A lot of other teams playing bad teams too, and

616
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: they're not out there. Look, there probably is some regression

617
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: back to the mean here for this offense. This is

618
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: why I think this weekend's game is so fascinating because

619
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Speaker 1: they just played one of the worst teams in the

620
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Speaker 1: NFL and the Carolina Panthers, and blew their doors off,

621
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Speaker 1: which you want to see because the last couple years

622
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Speaker 1: they've been the team getting their doors blown up.

623
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Speaker 2: But we got to see what they look like.

624
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Speaker 1: Against the Panthers, bottom the league, and now right away

625
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: we get to see what they look like against the Bills,

626
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: which is one of the teams at the top of

627
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: the league. And so we get to come in next

628
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: week and this is going to kind of be the

629
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Speaker 1: big thing for me coming away from this game.

630
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Speaker 3: Who are they closer to?

631
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Speaker 1: Right, even if they don't beat the Bills, do they

632
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: look closer to Buffalo than they did to Carolina?

633
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: That sort of thing.

634
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's Drake's just been really outstanding, I would say

635
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: for three straight games. Sam's two plays against Pittsburgh.

636
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: I think you can honestly say seven of the eight

637
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: halves of football he's played have been high level. Yeah,

638
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: the second half against the Raiders was still bad, but

639
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: outside of the first Avaganst Furs he was good, played

640
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: well against Miami. There's two turnovers against Pittsburgh, Like I

641
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: would say, he played well in that game. I think

642
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: that is a winning level of quarterbacking. And then obviously

643
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: played played well this week. So it's just that one

644
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: half against the Raiders.

645
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I look at it and I just

646
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: think that again, it's just a perfect marriage between the

647
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: plays they're asking him to run and his skill set

648
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: and it's allowing him to play on time, decisive, accurate

649
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: with the football. And then there also are still elements

650
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: in the offense that they're running that allow him to

651
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: make plays and get out of the pocket and do

652
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: those different types of things. But they've done a really

653
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: nice job, and Drake May's done a nice job of

654
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: kind of limiting those hero ball yolo moments where like

655
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: he just tries to do a little bit too much

656
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: and that can get him into trouble. He had one

657
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: or maybe two of those instances in this game, he

658
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: threw one over the middle of the field. It was

659
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: the one incompletion that he threw to Stefan Diggs. Where

660
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: Diggs was they were running dagger, so like middle reed

661
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: go route in the middle of the field and then

662
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: a dig from the outside receiver. They call that dagger

663
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: and Diggs just like Hunter Henry was on the fourth

664
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: down play against Pittsburgh, Diggs is wide open up the shoot.

665
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: He's they bust the coverage and he's wide open. But

666
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: Drake May has pressure in his lap and he tried

667
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 2: to jump throw it off two feet like his two

668
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: feet were both off the ground and he ended up

669
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: dirting it. Not the worst outcome that could possibly happen,

670
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: but those are when I see him throw from those

671
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: like wonky basses and platforms. I'm like, I don't know

672
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: if we need him to do that anymore, Like maybe

673
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: you need to do that last year when you just

674
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: start trying to do anything that you can to move

675
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: the football. I'm not sure they need him to do

676
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: that now, Like he can do it conventionally, but the

677
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: amount of conventional offense that he is doing everything is

678
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: in terms of their passing game right now, you know.

679
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people talk about, well, when

680
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: you boot like you're cutting the field in half and

681
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: that makes it easier for the quarterback, and YadA, YadA, YadA.

682
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: Well a lot of that too, is the defense is

683
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: reacting because he's an athlete like that. It doesn't work

684
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: if you don't have a mobile quarterback like Drake May

685
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: being the one that's booting. Like, if you have a

686
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 2: quarterback like Mac Jones on a bootleg, then it's not

687
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 2: necessarily going to have the same impact on the defense

688
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 2: that a guy like Drake May can have on the defense.

689
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: So so much of what they're doing is leveraging off

690
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: of Drake May's physical talent and raw ability. I didn't

691
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: necessarily know this game was tough because he only had

692
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: twenty one dropbacks, So it wasn't like he had this

693
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: game where a I had him with like fifteen plus

694
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: plays because he had fifty dropbacks and there was a

695
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: whole bunch of plays to come out of it. But

696
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: in some ways, I kind of like that there's not

697
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: a lot of volatility right now where I'm just looking

698
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 2: at it, I'm like, yeah, like, that's an NFL quarterback

699
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: should make that throw. And he's making it. But that's

700
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: telling you that the scheme is working and the plays

701
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: that they're running or working.

702
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: It's consistency. And so what I've been hammering since the

703
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: beginning with him just has to be more consistent.

704
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: He's doing it all right.

705
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: Now that I've waxed poetic about the offense, because which

706
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: was fun, don't get me wrong, I want to move

707
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: on to a couple of things on the good side

708
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: for the defense and just kind of talk about one

709
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: thing philosophically with the defense before we do that, because

710
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: that could be a bigger discussion. We wasn't an uproar

711
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: down in this game. I didn't feel like, but Christian

712
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: Zalez returning is just a good, good element. He played

713
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: all three quarters that the starters played in this game,

714
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: so he didn't have to come off the field at

715
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: all in those snaps. So even though I think he

716
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 2: probably played like seventy percent of the snaps, this deceiving

717
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: because they pulled the starters in the fourth quarter, so

718
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: he was not limited. He was not on a snap

719
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: count or a pitch count or anything like that. Was

720
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: a little bit rusty. McMillan's a good player like Ted's

721
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: gonna be a good receiver in this league. But he

722
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: was maybe a little bit rusty. But in general, I

723
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: just think it's a good thing overall that Gonzo's healthy.

724
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: His conditioning seems good enough to play one hundred, you know,

725
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: close to one hundred percent of the snaps. And this

726
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: was a good game to get his feet wet because

727
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: no offense to the Carolina Panthers not exactly the greatest

728
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: show on turf. So now that we build up to

729
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: the Bills this week, it's good that he had this

730
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: one game under his belt before you throw him in

731
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: there against Buffalo. So what did you What did you

732
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 2: think about Gonzalez's return?

733
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I so, yeah, I think the big thing, like you said,

734
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 1: he played essentially the whole game. He played as long

735
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: as the starters are out there, so this isn't going

736
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: to be a ramp up in terms of conditioning or

737
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: anything like that. I actually thought the Panthers were one

738
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,479
Speaker 1: of the few things out credit Panthers for in this game.

739
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: They were smart to test him with a comeback early

740
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: on right, make him put his foot in the ground

741
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: and push off and go off that hamstring. And that's

742
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 1: the one play where he really gets beat, he allowed

743
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: another catch, but it's like underneath wrap and tackle you.

744
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 3: Live with that.

745
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: So need a more this week for sure, like you said,

746
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 1: but I it is solid, solid return. You know, nothing

747
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: mind blowing, But I think you kind of saw everything

748
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: you needed to see with him to not be nervous

749
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: about him long term and you go from there.

750
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm just really excited about seeing how moving

751
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: forward they're going to game plan with Christian Zalez and

752
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis, because I don't feel like this game was

753
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: that fully unleashed just yet in terms of, no, we're

754
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: going up against a team where we really like our

755
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: advantage of the corners over the receivers. They probably did

756
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: in this game too, but it just is gonna be

757
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: fun to see now that when they go up against

758
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: the guy like Josh Allen, like how the vision of

759
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: how they envisioned in the off season of using this

760
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 2: cornerback tandem and then actually implementing that in a real game.

761
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: And then the other thing I had down here for

762
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: the defense was, you know, they played pretty good defense

763
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: after the opening script. I have some quibbles with the

764
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: defense in this game that I thought the score kind

765
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: of washed away some of the of the stuff that

766
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: didn't go so well for the defense. But the defense

767
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: after the opening script, you know, was what it was. Obviously,

768
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: they basically went three quarters without giving up points in

769
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: this game. They give up the opening drive touchdown, they

770
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: give up the garbage time touchdown to Andy Dollon, they

771
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: went the entire time in between without giving up any points.

772
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: I thought, what was really good about the defense other

773
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: than the individual players, which we'll get to, but they

774
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: won all of the important downs in the middle of

775
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: the field. Like once the Panthers crossed over into Patriots territory,

776
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 2: the Patriots were able to hold them out of scoring

777
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: territory and really lockdown defensively to keep them out of

778
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: getting points in those situations, which was really good to see.

779
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: My facilitation question for you, is this feels like in

780
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: this at times? The Patriots defense under Bill Belichick was

781
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: just this exactly the same way. This feels like a

782
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: defense that's a we're gonna let the game declaire kind

783
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: of defense. So the Raiders, the Steelers, and now the

784
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: Panthers all scored on their opening drive all three games

785
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: at home, by the way, all scored on their opening

786
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: drive touchdowns right down the field and then, for whatever

787
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: reason they talked a lot about in the postgame locker room,

788
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 2: the first fifteen the scripted plays, the Panthers ran like

789
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 2: four or five plays, got on the other side of

790
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: the fifty yard line, stalled out, and that was all

791
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 2: she wrote for the rest of the game. For Bryce

792
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: Young in Carolina, do you have a problem with them

793
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: being an in game adjustments kind of defense, because I

794
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: don't really have a problem with that now. The only difference, though,

795
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: I would say, is that the Patriots in the Dynasty

796
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: era were able to do that because the offense was

797
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: gonna score, right. So if you get down fourteen to

798
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 2: nothing like they did against Pittsburgh, the Patriots knew Tom

799
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: Brady was gonna come back.

800
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's layers to this, and I wonder if

801
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: that's why I've Rabel took the ball last week against

802
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: the Steelers. I don't mind them being an adjusting defense,

803
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: but that's not that's not carte blanche to just be

804
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: bad in the beginning, right, allow opening drive scores like yeah,

805
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,439
Speaker 1: because when you start facing some of these better teams,

806
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: like yeah, you let the Panthers get up seven, I

807
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: guess six, nothing you can come back from that when

808
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: you get to the Bills, When you get to the

809
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: Bucks in a few weeks, the Ravens later in the year,

810
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: when you're getting in the playoff games in a year

811
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: or two, like, you can't be doing that on a

812
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: regular basis. So yeah, I think they should adjust as

813
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: the game goes on, but they do got to come

814
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: out with a little bit more. You can't keep allowing

815
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: first drive touchdowns every single game. That's not sustainable.

816
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, to go to the bads. Just

817
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: to segue into it, the opening drive for the Panthers

818
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: in this game, they averaged ten yards of play on

819
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: the opening drive. Carolina did just went right down the

820
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: field on the Patriots, and I thought there were a

821
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: couple of different things that they did that gave the

822
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: Patriots problems schematically that I am sure teams will try

823
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 2: to replicate and hit on moving forward. The one thing

824
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: that really popped up in this game to me, and

825
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 2: again you know, not to keep bringing up Buffalo, but

826
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: with James Cook in that Bill's running game, they had

827
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 2: a tough time setting the edge in this game. Defensively,

828
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: they gave up over seven yards of carry on runs

829
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: outside the tackles in this game to Carolina. And this

830
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: is not a Carolina rushing attack that is great shakes

831
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: like the Bill's rushing attack. Number one team in the

832
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: league in pretty much every rushing category. So you're about

833
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: to go up a notch in competition. I don't know,

834
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: and I asked they're outside linebackers coach this question. I

835
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: think it was last week. Of course I'm blaying on

836
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: his name. I'll look it up in a second. He

837
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: said that this is all by design and none of

838
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: it is like Smith, Yes, Mike Smith. None of this

839
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: is you know, freelanced or anything like that. But the ends,

840
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: you know, Chason and Landry are slipping inside the tackles

841
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: a lot. They are like kind of stunting or slanting inside,

842
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: trying to hunt those tackles for loss. And that's all

843
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: well and good if you replace the edge, right, if

844
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: a linebacker or nickel corner or something like that is

845
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 2: gonna set the edge of the defense so that Landry

846
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: and Chaison can slip into the backfield and go inside

847
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: the B gap, that's all well and good. But they

848
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: aren't resetting the edge, and so they're kind of losing

849
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: the edge a lot. Now, Belichick. This would drive Bill crazy,

850
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: Like Bill would be like, we're not why you going

851
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: inside the tackle, Like we're gonna set the edge. We're

852
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: gonna take a bucket step, We're gonna get up, you know,

853
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: a yard up the field, and we're gonna sit on

854
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: the edge. Right, that's what we're gonna do. They aren't

855
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: really schematically, they're not doing it that way right now,

856
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: so they either need to go back to doing it

857
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: that way or they need to find a better way

858
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: to get the force right to get that edge set

859
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: to the defense. So that was one of them. The

860
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 2: other thing that I've seen a little bit on film

861
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 2: with them, they're matching a lot of their zones backside,

862
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: so the backside corner is carrying the receiver backside like

863
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: it's man to man coverage, and then the passing strength

864
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: is playing zone coverage and that is leaving the flat

865
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: like wide open on the backside of the formation. So

866
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: not to pick on him, but a lot of those

867
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: passes are completed on Christian Ellis right now, and Ellis's

868
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: eyes seem to like be in the backfield in the

869
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 2: middle of the field, and they're not getting numbers out

870
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: to that flat. So the Panthers multiple times hit the

871
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: flats on the back side of the formation. So these

872
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: are just things that consistently happen against Carolina that the

873
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Panthers are not good enough to sustain offense and make

874
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: you really hurt for these things. But as the competition

875
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: ramps up here a little bit, UH, teams are going

876
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 2: to be better at hitting on these weakness is last

877
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: one really quickly. They move Tech McMillan in the slot

878
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: a little bit in this game, and there was more

879
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: than one occasion where Jalen Hawkins was on Tech McMillan

880
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: in the slot. So they're not traveling as often with

881
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: their corners and not moving the corners as often inside.

882
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: If that's what you're gonna do again, Like teams are

883
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: going to realize, oh, if we put our number one

884
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: receiver in the slot and you know, the number three

885
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: spot in a three by one formation in the slot,

886
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: he's going to get covered by a safety and we're

887
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: going to love that matchup.

888
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 3: Well, that's where I'm wondering what they're gonna do with Dalton Kinkaid.

889
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: This week, right, you know, whether it's you know, a

890
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: player like that that's a pass catching tight end, whether

891
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: it's a player like McMillan that has flexibility to go inside,

892
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: you know, not that I think that he's you know,

893
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: you know how I feel about Keon Coleman. But Keon

894
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: Cohen has the ability to run routes as like a

895
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: big slot or a power slot too. So these are

896
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: just things that you know. Vrabel said after the game,

897
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: they did a good job. Carolina did a moving guys

898
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: around early on in the game. I think that's what

899
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: he was talking about with Ted. The other thing that

900
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: he said is that they're going to have to do

901
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: a better job at disguising defensively, and I think right

902
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 2: now it's pretty easy to decipher what exactly the Patriots

903
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: are doing defensively, so they're going to have to ramp

904
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: up some of that to improve on defense. What did

905
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: you think of the defense in this game? Was I

906
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: thought that this score was a little bit misleading for

907
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 2: how they played defense.

908
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hit on a lot of it, you know,

909
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: the slow starts obviously concerning I think they buckled down

910
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: in the middle. The big thing to me with this

911
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: defense right now when they rush for and I thought

912
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: they're going to be more blitz heavy than they've been

913
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: maybe that was just a Terro Williams thing, and Zach

914
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: Krr kind of has a different philosophy when he's calling

915
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: these plays. But when they rush for it's been very streaky.

916
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: And when they get going in when Milton Williams and

917
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: Christian and Harold Lander and Caleb On Chase On, like

918
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: when they get in a rhythm, it's every play they're

919
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: getting back there, impacting the quarterback every play, But there's

920
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: stretches they'll go a driver too, especially early in games

921
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: where you really don't see much. That's to me where

922
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: this game changed for the defense. They weren't getting any

923
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: pressure on Bryce Young until that really that third drive

924
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: right and once they got it, it didn't really stop.

925
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: But they weren't doing much early in the game. So

926
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 1: I just want to see I want to be careful

927
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: about how I say this, Like the numbers are already

928
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: pretty immense. I don't know, it's hard to ask that

929
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: group to do more because I think that group's done

930
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: a ton, but it's been very like a ton here

931
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: and then none and then a ton here, and it's

932
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: just like, can you just level it out a little

933
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: bit more? Obviously, if they're playing at that if it's

934
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: just a ton all the time. That would be awesome, right,

935
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: but it just feels like there's some moments and blitzing

936
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: has jump.

937
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: Started that at times.

938
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: So maybe some more timely blitzes to get at that

939
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: group up front going, maybe some disguise helps with that

940
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: team start preparing for the blitz that isn't there. That's

941
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: what happened on the big Milt Williams didn't.

942
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: Get the sack.

943
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 1: Calevon chase On got the sack, but Milt Williams came

944
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: right up the middle of Bright Young basically just fell over,

945
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: sacked himself.

946
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: Chase On touched him down.

947
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what happened there because if

948
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: you watch the center, he goes to block nobody and

949
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: even the guard kind of lets Milton Williams through and

950
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: looks the block. He doesn't follow Milt Williams around after

951
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: he gets beat. He stays in his pass set even

952
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: though there's nobody else coming. I wonder if he was

953
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: expecting a linebacker. So that's a big thing for me

954
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: with the defense right now. Like I think some of

955
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: the coverage just uses. Gonzalez gets back and they figure

956
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: some things out. You're right, they gotta do a better

957
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: job when guys going the slot of traveling. I think

958
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: it's probably Gonzales when another team's going to put a

959
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 1: number another wide receiver and a Number one wide receiver

960
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 1: in the slot.

961
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: I mean they did you know Gonzales covered ten a

962
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: few times? He did it, Yeah, in the slot. Ted

963
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: caught that back shoulder from the slot.

964
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: Doing that a little more moving Carlton Davison's side on

965
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: big slot receivers or even tight ends occasionally things like that.

966
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: But maybe that's uh, that might be like post Halloween.

967
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that's something that comes.

968
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: This is sort of the base of what they're trying

969
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: to do, and they're trying to get you know, that

970
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: established and trying to get everybody on the same page,

971
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: and that sort of.

972
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: The big thing for me though, And again, I like,

973
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: I want to stress this enough. The front has been

974
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: really good. The pass rush has been really good. When

975
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: it's really good.

976
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're, like I just twelfth right now in pressure

977
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: rate as a team, which is good, I mean much

978
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: better than was Loud, Yeah, significantly.

979
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm curious how you feel about this. Like,

980
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: I just think a little more consistency from that group. Again,

981
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: you're not going to get pressure on every play. I

982
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: just think the dry spells are going maybe a little

983
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: longer than they should for what this group is.

984
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: So I see what, you know, a little bit of

985
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 2: a small sea concern that we had about this defensive line,

986
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: which I think has been an outstanding on the whole,

987
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 2: but just the little small sea concern that we had

988
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: was do they have like a true one on one

989
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: pass rush guy on the outside right? You know, they know,

990
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: we know about Milton Williams and Christian Barmore, who are

991
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: on my ups and we're fantastic in this game for

992
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: the most part. But what we're seeing a lot of

993
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: now is, you know, teams are starting to pay a

994
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: lot of extra attention to those two guys. Yeah, you know,

995
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: they're kind of switching off on who's getting double teamed

996
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: and who's getting the slide side and who's getting the

997
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: man side, and like all that different type of nuance

998
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 2: on the interior of the offensive line that is now

999
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: being game planned for. Like Millon Williams, and this is

1000
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: a good thing. Like Milon Williams and Christian Barmore are

1001
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 2: Tuesday players, Like they are guys that teams are going

1002
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 2: into the game saying we cannot allow these two guys

1003
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 2: to wreck the game. But that really kind of puts

1004
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 2: Harold Landry and calebon Chase on in the spotlight where

1005
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 2: you're going to get a lot of one on ones

1006
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: on the tackles, and do the Patriots have a true

1007
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: one on one winner in the pass rush? I had

1008
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: on the edge that probably frankly in need in the

1009
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: offseason that we're gonna gonais. Yeah, like that that's right

1010
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 2: up there with number one wide receiver. If you really

1011
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: want this defense to take that next step is can

1012
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: you draft or sign or whatever a guy that can

1013
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: truly go out there and when he gets a one

1014
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: on one, he's winning, And that that maybe is what

1015
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: you we're missing right now from the pass rush and

1016
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 2: the four man rushes and the standard four man rushes is. Yeah,

1017
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: like Barmore and and Williams are going to create havoc,

1018
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: but they're not sacked guys like they're not. They're not

1019
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: gonna be double digit sack players. They're gonna be disruptive,

1020
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 2: creating havoc type of players. So they need those edges

1021
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: to to maybe be a little bit more one on

1022
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: one winning in the four man rush just to move

1023
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: back over to the offense and then uh, we're gonna

1024
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna move on from the good the bad, at

1025
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: the stuff that gets you beat, because there's not much

1026
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: to talk about in the bad category. I do want

1027
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the run game on offense.

1028
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: The numbers are not good Alex right now for the

1029
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: rush offense, they are thirty second in the league and

1030
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: EPA upper rush there last in the league in rush

1031
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: EPA they only had a twenty six percent success rate

1032
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: in this game against the Panthers. And if you want

1033
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: the traditional SATs, you know taking out Drake May runs, Yeah,

1034
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: traditional runs, jet motions, traditional runs. Three point one yards

1035
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: of carry in this game just on traditional runs and

1036
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: that includes r Mandre having a twenty two yard run.

1037
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: So it just hasn't been very good with traditional runs.

1038
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: And I just wonder, you know, where you see because

1039
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: this is always a chicken or the egg thing with

1040
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 2: the running game. Is it the backs or is it

1041
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: the blocking. It's always a little bit of both. And

1042
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: I went back and watched all there between the twenties

1043
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: stuffs and to really examine whether or not you know

1044
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: what's going on I don't think that there's necessarily a

1045
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: ton of room. There's probably a little bit more room

1046
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: once they sort of get used to cutting off the

1047
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: blocks and things like that on these outside zone plays.

1048
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: There probably were a few cutback lanes that the backs

1049
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: missed in this game. But I don't necessarily think that

1050
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: there was like one hundred and fifty yards of rushing

1051
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: offense that they left on the table. Just what has

1052
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: been your take there, Because when you look at all

1053
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 2: the charts, the passing offense is like all the way

1054
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: over here, you know, bottom top right is good. Yeah,

1055
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: in the pass offense. In the rush offense is putting

1056
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 2: them in the bottom right because the pass offense is

1057
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: really good, but the rush offense is really really bad.

1058
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I still feel like maybe the backs are missing a

1059
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 1: little bit of feel like they're just kind of running

1060
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: into contact. Like you said, I think there's been some room.

1061
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: It could be better, but I think there's been more

1062
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: room that's been there. It's like you said, I don't

1063
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: think it's any one thing. There's been times there's been

1064
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: holes to hit that haven't been hit. There's been times

1065
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: that there.

1066
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: Just hasn't been holes.

1067
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: It just the whole thing just feels a little disconnected

1068
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: right now, and that's something I want. Or as they

1069
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: go on and the backs get more chemistry with the

1070
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: line and Josh McDaniels gets a better feel for the

1071
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: line and how they're blocking it, if that comes along,

1072
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: But they do have to get that run game going.

1073
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: And I mean we can do the whole thing about

1074
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: Drake may design runs again. Yeah, I mean they really

1075
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: haven't called a lot of those.

1076
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: You just can't be one dimensional like this forever. Like

1077
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 2: it's not they're balanced enough that they're not getting stuffed

1078
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: a lot.

1079
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 3: Can I just pause every second?

1080
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about Yeah, the Patriots pass game is good,

1081
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: but dang, they need to run the ball better.

1082
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: Yeah they do.

1083
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: Who would have thought they do need to run this?

1084
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we've talked about them.

1085
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're they're not getting stuffed a lot, like,

1086
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: they're not getting a lot of you know.

1087
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 3: They don't negative runs.

1088
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: They just kind of it's these two to three yard

1089
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 1: gains and that's it.

1090
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 2: Right, And so that allows you to keep running the

1091
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: ball right when you're not getting stuffed a ton and

1092
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 2: you're not getting those negative runs. But they haven't really broken,

1093
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: you know, big ones or ones that really inflate those

1094
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: statistics that I brought up. So whenever you're thirty second

1095
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: in the and anything that's not good. Yeah, and they're

1096
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: dead last in the NFL right now in rush EPA,

1097
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: so that has to improve. Last last one here. I

1098
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, I had this in the bad category, You're

1099
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: gonna have it in the stuff that gets you beat.

1100
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: Seven more penalties in this game. Fifty four yards, two

1101
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: penalties by first down by penalties, So not terrible in

1102
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 2: that category, but the penalties are still creeping up. There's

1103
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: still top ten in the league in terms of penalties

1104
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: called against them. It's a it's a it's a problem.

1105
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 2: Like I'm not trying to say it's not a problem.

1106
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: They need to get that cleaned up.

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00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: So I have an interesting take on the penalties here.

1108
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: So they've they've been called for a lot of penalties,

1109
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: but the officials that they've had this year.

1110
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 2: You making excuses for them. It's penalty.

1111
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: It's not excuses, it's just well, all right, let me

1112
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: get the whole taken. So they've had Tolbert Ron Tolbert,

1113
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: Alex Moore, Clete Blakeman, Bill Vinovich, yep, those refs rank

1114
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: and this isn't in the exact order, but first, second, fourth,

1115
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,720
Speaker 1: and tenth in flags thrown this year. So they're getting

1116
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: crews that have thrown a lot of flags.

1117
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 3: Now it's early in the year.

1118
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: So there's the Patriots game makes up a quarter of

1119
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: that sample size.

1120
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: Chicken or the egg.

1121
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: Are the Patriots getting refs that are flag happy or

1122
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: do these refs look flag happy because the Patriots are

1123
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: committing a lot of penalties.

1124
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: This is so these games are getting way too So

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00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 2: here's the gauge.

1126
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: Here's the gauge. How many.

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00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: Penalties are called on the other team in these games.

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00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: And so this game is pretty lopsided towards Patriots, Steelers game,

1129
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: Dolphins game. In the Raiders game it was relatively even.

1130
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: So we'll have to see moving on.

1131
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: Now.

1132
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: Look, here's where I'm gonna say it's it's not an excuse.

1133
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: These guys know every week, like the coaching staff briefs them.

1134
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: And it's not just these guys call a lot of penalties.

1135
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: He guys don't.

1136
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: Hey, this crew is a little tighter when it comes

1137
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: to pass interference. Hey, this cruise little tighter when it

1138
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: comes to holding or this cruise, a little looser on this,

1139
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: this cruise a little looser on that, and then once

1140
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: the game happens, even if it is maybe something a

1141
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: little different, you still need to know. Okay, like early on,

1142
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: I got called for a borderline pass interference.

1143
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: That's how they're calling it.

1144
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: And maybe you see the other team got called for

1145
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: it too, that's how they're calling it. Like, you have

1146
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: to adjust and do that within the game. So the

1147
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: penalty numbers do absolutely need to come down. But I

1148
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: also wonder if there's an element of it being so

1149
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: high that simply they're getting a lot of these refs

1150
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: that are flag happy. So I was trying to find

1151
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: this number year.

1152
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 3: I have it.

1153
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: So they've been called for thirty five penalties this year.

1154
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: Their opponents have been called for thirty two. Yeah, so

1155
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: I do think some of this is the referees. But

1156
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: again you got to know, Okay, these refs are flag

1157
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: hap Like the borderline stuff.

1158
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: I can't go there. I don't have that edge in

1159
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: this game.

1160
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: So the one thing I'll say about the penalties and

1161
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: then we're going to break and we'll do and.

1162
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: By the way, sorry, by the way, just to put

1163
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: the ball on that They have Sean hockey Ley this week,

1164
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: who is the sixth most flag happy ref in the NFL.

1165
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 2: He he loves to hear his own. That guy loves

1166
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: himself a little bit too much for me, and I

1167
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: will say that I shouldn't say things like that, but

1168
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: the officials like are really starting to get under my skin.

1169
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 3: Well there's another side.

1170
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: It's just really too much guys, like we need to

1171
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 2: these games. Let the players decide the games. And I'm

1172
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: not saying that there's these like blatant penalties that are

1173
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 2: like literally costing games that I'm seeing every single week. Necessarily,

1174
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,399
Speaker 2: it's just the whole thing. So I'll say this, it's

1175
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: on the whole.

1176
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: There's another side of the referee thing that I complain

1177
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: about that because you know my rule on complaining about

1178
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: the refs in terms of deciding the outcome of the game,

1179
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: you get one a year all sports.

1180
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: And this isn't about the paper, it's not the product.

1181
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 3: So this is this is my thing. Like Ron Tour

1182
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: did Week one, there were a lot of flags in

1183
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 3: that game, but credit toront Torbert and his crew.

1184
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: They throw the flag, play ends whistled. He'd quickly get

1185
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: the signal from whoever threw it, call it you move on.

1186
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: It didn't drag the game down. A couple of weeks

1187
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: ago into Pittsburgh cleat Blakeman's crew, it was like a

1188
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: forty second conference every time, and and and they had

1189
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: to discuss and debate it, like no, keep you gotta

1190
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: keep it moving. You got if you're gonna throw all

1191
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: you know what you're calling and keep going all.

1192
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: Of these like ticki tac. You know, you know, I'm

1193
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: a big Ted Carris guy. Ted carri is like bobbing

1194
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: his head a little bit too, like much.

1195
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 3: So there's side of it.

1196
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 2: No, and then like all these like alignment penalties and

1197
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 2: things like that. You know, the one thing that I

1198
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: don't want to make excuses for for the Patriots, Yeah,

1199
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: can we line up on side?

1200
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: They keep on off side? That's on them.

1201
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: That and it's they're lining up off side, like you

1202
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: can see it from the overhead angle. You can see

1203
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: it from the dots on next gen like Harold Landry

1204
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: was off side. Like this is what it is.

1205
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: This is a separate rant. It's like there's two things

1206
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: you want from an official number one consistency. I'd rather

1207
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: they call it looser than tighter. But if you're gonna

1208
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: call it tight, call tight, call it the same way

1209
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: the whole game. If they're gonna be nitpicky, it's annoying.

1210
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: But if they're going to be nitpicky the entire way through,

1211
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: as long as you kind of know what is and

1212
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: isn't a penalty, fine number two speed, Like, if you're

1213
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: gonna be nitpicking and throw a million flags, know what

1214
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: the flag is, call it, move on, don't spend two

1215
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: minutes discussing it each time. That's what I look for

1216
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: from the officials. I'll give you one more referee not

1217
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: before we move on. Here I mentioned Sean hockeyy the

1218
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: six most flags in the league this year. He against

1219
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: the home team, so he's throwing fifteen on average, fifteen

1220
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: quarter flags per game on against the home team, it's

1221
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 1: six and a quarter per game. Against the road team,

1222
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: it's nine per game. So that's a that's a kind

1223
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: of a noticeable split there that favors.

1224
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 3: The home team for Sean Hockey. Something to keep in mind.

1225
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: I do wonder if all the defensive off sides are there, since.

1226
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: That's not the rest there is lining up.

1227
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: I know Derek coaching is so get off the ball,

1228
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: fire off off the ball, up the field, violence, like

1229
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: all these different things that they're coaching them on. It's

1230
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: like Anthony Jennings just like jumped one like he was offside.

1231
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: Harold Andry was lined up in the neutral zone, which

1232
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: Calebon Jason's had some penalties like that too. So I

1233
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: had those ones, the neutral zone ones like, that's on you.

1234
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: Like that. The line of scrimms is the third you

1235
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: don't put your hand on the like, so it's on you.

1236
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: We've talked about this and Trent Brown was big on this,

1237
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: and we've seen it from other teams that like timing

1238
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: the snap count as an offensive lineman and getting right

1239
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: back into that pass set and you know, you get

1240
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: called for one or two fall starts a game, but

1241
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: you get that extra step. The rest of the snaps

1242
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: is the defensive counter to that. Now, Hey, I'm gonna

1243
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: line up right on the ball. Yeah, and if I

1244
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: get called for one off side to game, but I

1245
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: get this extra half step to counter his extra half step,

1246
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: it's worth the five yards.

1247
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: I don't know that's what it is. It's just me guessing.

1248
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: Out loud, but I just know that Bets have been

1249
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: doing that for a while. You got to figure there's

1250
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: a defensive counter coming eventually, right, And I just know

1251
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: that they're coaching them so hard to get off the ball.

1252
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think that some of that is eagerness

1253
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: to try to get off the ball as quickly as

1254
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,200
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Speaker 3: Catch catch catch twenty two catch catch catch catch, catch, catch.

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty catch.

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Speaker 3: Catch catch catch, catch, catch, catch, cat catch twenty.

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Speaker 5: Two catch catch.

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Speaker 2: You know, if I read the ad before we get

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Speaker 2: back on the air, then I'm not actually reading me.

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Speaker 3: Why were you doing this shtick when we weren't on

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Speaker 3: the air. What do you mean you were saying that, Well,

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Speaker 3: we still weren't on the air. We got by the

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Speaker 3: time he started.

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Speaker 2: No, I wasn't. But that's like, it's kind of like

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Speaker 2: if a tree falls in the forest, right, like gain

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Speaker 2: Like just you know what traditions matter, turning Mormons together

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Speaker 2: into something truly epic. They're what inspire us to make

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Speaker 2: big hit last night, Masame maasa in the tostitos, though

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Speaker 2: in this case, starting with the whole corn kernels, no

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Speaker 2: artificial flavors, colors, or preservatives. I'll go to give you

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Speaker 2: do want to read a quick comment in the YouTube chat,

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Speaker 2: which we do try to monitor. That's hard sometimes to

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Speaker 2: monitor it and host the show at the same time,

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Speaker 2: but we do try it. So this is from DC Patriot,

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Speaker 2: who I believe is in here quite frequently. Evan is

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01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: going full Nerd on this pretty sure he's the only

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Speaker 2: one who knows what he is saying. That is catch

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Speaker 2: twenty two in a nutshell, right, there is an hour

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Speaker 2: of full nerd. And sometimes I probably go a little

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Speaker 2: too heavy on the football jargon, so I apologize, but.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think I followed mostly no you, he said,

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Speaker 3: good luck to you.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but Evan, I got a note in my

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Speaker 2: in here, said Evan, going so nerd. It doesn't even

1341
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: sound like words to me. Okay, So I am not

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Speaker 2: that we have all the time in the world to

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Speaker 2: do this, but if you, I am more than happy

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Speaker 2: to explain some of my nerd them like this doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to be I'm not a gatekeeper like I. We

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Speaker 2: welcome everybody. So the emails are on, the calls are on,

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01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: if you legitimately, I'm not being like, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, a snarky what's the formula for DVOA.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you that it's proprietary sole gate keeping

1350
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Speaker 2: to me. So the Patriots are thirteenth in offense dv

1351
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Speaker 2: A good, they're twenty why they're twenty eighth in defense DVA,

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01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: which I think tells you a little bit more about

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01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: where their defense.

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Speaker 1: Is at and maybe like points, I didn't want to

1355
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: open this oul door. Oh yeah, not great, chirp the

1356
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: secret formulas?

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Speaker 2: Should we do three up? Three down? All right? Who's

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01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: your number one up in this game? I think we

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Speaker 2: probably have the same one.

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Speaker 1: My number one up in this game was Christian Barmore.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, we don't have the same I don't do

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Speaker 1: him in order, like I just do him in order.

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Speaker 1: That why why don't you do them in order?

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Speaker 2: It's who's yours?

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Speaker 3: Digs?

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Speaker 2: No, keep going, just give you great, give your take,

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Speaker 2: give your take.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Barmore and mil Williams, two of them were just really

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Speaker 1: good in this game. Once they got going, that's when

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Speaker 1: the game changed. And I kind of just talked about

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Speaker 1: it before. Once they started getting the interior pressure, the

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Speaker 1: Panthers were never the same. Is nicey Barmore kind of

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Speaker 1: get to run ring it up a little bit because

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Speaker 1: teams a bit. You talked about how teams are going

1376
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: back and forth on who they're focusing on. I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's been a lot of focus on Barmore deal

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Speaker 1: with what Milton Williams does, and Milton Williams did a lot,

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01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: and so I think in this game maybe it switched

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Speaker 1: a little bit and teams decided, what if we double

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Speaker 1: Milton Williams. What can Christian Barmore do? He can do

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Speaker 1: a lot too, So I was glad to see he

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Speaker 1: didn't get any sacks. But you know, for people who

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Speaker 1: follow up pressures and things like that, or just watch

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Speaker 1: the tape like he looked like somebody is like the

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Speaker 1: resistance bands coming off right shooting with the ankle weight

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Speaker 1: till you take those off and deal with double teams

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Speaker 1: NonStop for three games.

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Speaker 3: Suddenly he gets some one on ones light work.

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Speaker 2: So I had him with five pressures in this game,

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Speaker 2: Christian Barber who's on my list too, and he just

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Speaker 2: had constant interior push, Like he had one really good

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Speaker 2: rush where he landed to hit on Bryce Young and

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Speaker 2: just dusted the right guard cleanly off the ball, and

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Speaker 2: that was nice to see. But to me, most of

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Speaker 2: his pressure was just denting the pocket. And he was

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Speaker 2: just in Bryce Young's lap consistently in this game and

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Speaker 2: took away multiple completion opportunities with his pressure. There was

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Speaker 2: one in particular, you know, right before Marcus Jones's punt

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Speaker 2: return touchdown where he walks the center back and then

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Speaker 2: the left guard comes over and tries to like help

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Speaker 2: out the center and he actually knocks Christian Barmore over.

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Speaker 2: But it led to Bryce Young all this trash being

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Speaker 2: at Bryce Young his feet, and so Bryce Young I

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: had to move off his spot and I ended up

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Speaker 2: missing those.

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Speaker 1: We didn't talk that sequence probably isn't talked enough about

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01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: that change the game because so there's that second hand

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Speaker 1: where they get the pressure third and ten from I

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Speaker 1: think the forty one forty three yard line going in.

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Speaker 1: So what I think they were doing is trying to

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Speaker 1: catch the Patriots off guard.

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Speaker 3: All right, if we can get six on a draw

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Speaker 3: right now, we're going to go for it on fourth down.

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Speaker 1: And when you're a pass rusher in that spot third

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Speaker 1: and ten, you're not thinking about my run fits and

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Speaker 1: I got to get keep this light like you're pinning

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Speaker 1: your ears back and going. Milton Williams is still able

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Speaker 1: to get the stop at the line of scrimmage. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that the Panthers are punting there without like

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Speaker 1: even if they get three yards on that run, they

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Speaker 1: might go for it at least try long field goal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a huge run stuff for Milton Williams in

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Speaker 1: that spot that ultimately forces the punt that Marcus Jones

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Speaker 1: takes back to the house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I had them as my number three up here,

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Speaker 2: and combined, Milton Williams and Christian Barmer had seven total

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Speaker 2: pressures in this game. Yeah, that big stuff that you're

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Speaker 2: talking about there by Milton Williams. They they are a

1431
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Speaker 2: consistent week to week problem for opposing the offensive lines

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Speaker 2: to the point where we might need to retire Milton

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Speaker 2: Williams and Christian Barmore from the ups.

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Speaker 3: I don't even retire anybody week monthly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, they're gonna be on it every single week

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01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: because those guys reckon the game. And my number one

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01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: up and you like talked about all these other guys.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it. Marcus Jones obviously, and Marcus Jones

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01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 2: eighty seven yard punt return touchdown sixty one return special person,

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Speaker 2: he was a player of the game. I mean, the

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01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: game totally flipped. Now. I agree with you that the

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01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 2: defense making that stop sort of started to change the

1443
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: tide of the game, But the game flipped on the

1444
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 2: eighty seven yard punt return touchdown. And I often go

1445
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 2: back and watch those to try to find out, like

1446
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 2: who made the block that sprung him on this return,

1447
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 2: because that, to me is really when special teams can

1448
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: can be interesting. There was no block sprung him because

1449
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 2: he literally did it himself. He made three guys miss

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01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,760
Speaker 2: and then ran by everybody else. I haven't seen a

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01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 2: whole lot of returns where the returner truly did it

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01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 2: by himself. He truly returned that punt return by himself.

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Speaker 1: Look, footballs and the Patriots been big on talking about

1454
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: this this year. I think this is something like Rabel's

1455
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: truly preaching it's all eleven guys, nobody, you know, no

1456
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 1: one play is done by any one player and all that.

1457
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: That's as much of one player doing the job for

1458
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: all eleven as you're ever gonna see. And what's fascinating

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01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: about that play to extend the point we were just making,

1460
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: so they get that third down run stop it's four

1461
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: to ten. I still think the Patriots or maybe Mike

1462
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: Rabel said something after the game about wanting to get

1463
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: a better push up front against the punt. I wonder

1464
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 1: if they were expecting a fake because they had a

1465
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: lot of their starting defense out there.

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Speaker 3: When's the last time you think Milton Williams helped on

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01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 3: punt return?

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01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: And Kiris Tonga and so these are not How many

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Speaker 1: times do you think those guys have? Well else play

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: special teams a lot, But that's true, but that was yeah, sorry,

1473
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: how many times do you think Milton Williams's practiced how

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: to set block and set up a return in his career,

1475
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:13,799
Speaker 1: not many, if any, right, So credit to those guys

1476
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: for not getting in the way and not committing penalties,

1477
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: although Milt Williams kind of gotten the way Charles Woods

1478
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: it was the biggest hit of the game.

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01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 3: Although I guess Charles Woods told Williams after the game

1480
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 3: it wasn't him. Didn't want him to feel beat or something.

1481
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what though, did you hear Mill Williams

1482
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: got asked about it after the giving goes who was it?

1483
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: Then somebody in the scrum goles like, oh it Charles Woods,

1484
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: he goes, He told me it wasn't him, So I

1485
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: don't know what happened there, But like, credit to those

1486
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: guys staying out of the way, not getting penalized. Kiris

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01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: Tonga there was one spot I think it was tong

1488
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 1: around like don't block in the back, don't block in

1489
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: the bag, and he didn't as much of a one

1490
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: one guy doing all.

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01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 3: And then the second one too was a really good

1492
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 3: return and the second one had.

1493
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: A little bit more help. Not to take anything away

1494
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: from Marcus Jones, but just to credit those guys, you know,

1495
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 2: mapou Jack.

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01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: Gibbons's special teams. They built the wall right to allow

1497
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 1: him to reverse field the other.

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01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 3: Thing on the first one.

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01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: To your point of building the wall, I think schooler

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01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: who is a special teamer, he thinks it's going to

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01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: be a fair catch. Yeah, everybody thinks it's going to

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01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: be a fair catch. So I mean that play, let's

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01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: not forget. He also had Look, I know it was

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: only nineteen yards. Yeah, in a close game, which this

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01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't. A nineteen yard punt return can be massive. Yeah,

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: and we're just throwing that away as as a footnote

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01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: in this game.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, he was excellent.

1509
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 2: So Marcus Jones, we both had a bar more and

1510
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: plus Williams in my case, who was did you have

1511
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: Marcus Jones too?

1512
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 3: Or I did?

1513
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1514
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: Okay, who is your next one?

1515
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 3: So I cause I kind of went like defense off

1516
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 3: in special teams. This one's a combo. I'll just it's

1517
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: two guys, but I'll do it together because they're related

1518
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 3: Will Campbell and Ben Brown.

1519
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: Yep, so Will Campbell dog dog. And obviously the play

1520
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: is going around a ton. You guys posted it first

1521
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: snap of the game. Backside of the run.

1522
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: It's not a.

1523
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: That blocks he just kind of needs to get in

1524
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 1: the way there. He doesn't need an impact block on

1525
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: that play. Nick Scorton, though, tries to swim move him

1526
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that didn't sit well with Will Campbell,

1527
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: and he drives him about fifteen yards and puts him

1528
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: on his ass tone setter dog awesome and he look

1529
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,480
Speaker 1: it's not an amazing front.

1530
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 3: But he was on his p's and q's.

1531
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 2: Right, they literally cut the guy that was rushing on him.

1532
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 9: That was did they?

1533
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? D J Johnson. Now that's not to take anything J. Johnson.

1534
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 3: That's not to take away anything from Will Morgan. Right,

1535
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 3: it was also tightened. Maybe maybe he should go back

1536
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 3: to playing tight end, you know. But the point is

1537
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 3: is that Will Campbell was DJ Johnson.

1538
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 2: It's a shoutout in pass protection, was good in the

1539
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 2: run game, in this game, and when you face this

1540
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 2: level of competition, that's.

1541
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 3: What he wanted to dominant him.

1542
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It was borderline dominant. So borderline

1543
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I mean, I.

1544
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,560
Speaker 3: That's not just because of the level of competition. So

1545
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: but and then I want to throw into that too.

1546
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 2: So because this against Joey Bosa this week, we can

1547
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: we can.

1548
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 3: Let's give Will Campbell's flowers.

1549
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: I also want to recognize Ben Brown, who I think

1550
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people have written off in camp comes

1551
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: back in, beats out Cole Strange, wins that starting back

1552
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: up in here guard. He played what six snaps eight

1553
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: snaps of guard in the NFL in the regular season

1554
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: prior to this game, he was great too, and him

1555
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: and Campbell were working some combo blocks and he looked

1556
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: good in past pro. And you know, we'll see ultimately

1557
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: where this goes long term. Chared Wilson's going to be

1558
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: part of their long term plans. If Bradbury starts to struggle,

1559
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: does this maybe open the door more to moving Wilson

1560
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: inside to center? And now you feel where Ben Brown's

1561
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: at his starting guard. When he came from Cincinnati last year,

1562
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: texted our old friend Trags said he and I think

1563
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: he means like personality wise, which by the way, is

1564
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: a major compliment, reminds him a little bit of Ted Carris. Yeah,

1565
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: there's a little Ted Harris in his game too. And

1566
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, if you go back to it, and I

1567
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 1: don't know how they would have done it because they

1568
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 1: had Joe Tuney, Shack, Mason, David Andrews, but like Ted

1569
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: Carris was a starting caliber player and maybe there was

1570
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: a way for the Patriots to keep him involved and

1571
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: keep him around like he kept him.

1572
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: Definitely should have kept them in twenty twenty one.

1573
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 3: Well, but where was gonna play?

1574
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 2: What do you mean they traded Jack Mason? They had

1575
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: right garb.

1576
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: One Okay, so that was that wasn't twenty one, that

1577
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 3: was twenty two.

1578
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: Yes, they should have kept Yeah, so I'm with you,

1579
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: but like, does he become their Ted Carris where he's

1580
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: like a super sub, you know, super sub starting caliber

1581
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: and tier offensive linean that can move around and maybe

1582
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: the long term plan is.

1583
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 3: And it's just one game, let's not get too far

1584
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:28,000
Speaker 3: ahead of ourselves.

1585
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, k, I think that's exactly what you

1586
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 1: picture something where it's you know, Will Kit long term here,

1587
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 1: Will Campbell, Brett Ben Brown, Jared Wilson, Mike on WINNU

1588
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,599
Speaker 1: second round pick in this year's draft, because Morgan Moses

1589
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: has been very good to start his hair and take

1590
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: anything away from Morgan Moses, but he is thirty four.

1591
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 3: He's not a long term option.

1592
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 4: We know that.

1593
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, So like really encouraging to see Ben

1594
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: Brown have that game. They're a question about when he

1595
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: make the team, would he fit in the new scheme,

1596
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: whereas the coaching staff was gould be with them.

1597
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: You saw it last year.

1598
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: He got signed on Thursday, started the first game of

1599
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,760
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterbacks career at center and was he fell

1600
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: off a little bit late in the year, but like

1601
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: really gave them, you know, solid center play for most

1602
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: of that season. Well everything was falling apart around him.

1603
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: This guy stays ready, shows up, plays on Sundays. You

1604
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: need guys like that on their football team. A big

1605
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: shout out to Ben Brown for the way he played

1606
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: ensive line talk. He also he had the toughest match

1607
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 1: of anybody. Derek What did Derek Brown do in this game?

1608
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? He had a little bit of Derek Brown in

1609
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: this game. So I think the biggest thing with the

1610
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 2: line And I'm gonna nerd out here for a second

1611
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: as well. So they're there and you should ask Andrews

1612
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 2: about this. So they're maybe I did. They're sliding the line, yeah,

1613
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: to three man slides to one side of the field,

1614
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: to one side of the formation, and then their man

1615
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 2: to man on the backside. It's just like traditional pass

1616
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: protection like it's nothing, there's five on four. Yeah, they

1617
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 2: got exotic about it. But by what they're doing when

1618
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 2: they to the non slide side to the man side,

1619
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 2: is it They're they're chipping with the tight end. So

1620
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 2: if Campbell is on the non side side or Moses

1621
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 2: on the non side side, they're getting chip help from

1622
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: the tight ends, and then they're sliding on the other

1623
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 2: side of the line, which is giving the tackle inside

1624
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 2: help from the guard. Right, So what big picture of

1625
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: what they're doing is that this is how you help

1626
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: tackles that might not be world beaters in pass protection.

1627
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 2: Is you slide one way, you chip, you do different things,

1628
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 2: you move the pocket. Of course, on these play action

1629
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: passes they only had in this game. I only they

1630
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: only dropped back to past twenty one times total, so

1631
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: it's obviously a low number to begin with. But they

1632
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 2: only had like nine or ten true pass sets in

1633
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 2: this entire game. So all that is doing is just

1634
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: limiting the exposure that Campbell and Moses have, right, the

1635
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 2: true drop back pass. Now, you can't live in that

1636
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 2: world forever, Like they're gonna be games where you're gonna

1637
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 2: have to ramp that up and they're gonna have to

1638
01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,440
Speaker 2: hold up, but they're doing a really good job skimally

1639
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 2: of helping the offensive line, which I think is a

1640
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: big part of why the line and pass protection has

1641
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: been so good. I also think it's a part of

1642
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: why if you look at win rate, they're down still

1643
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: in the bottom ten of the league. I think they're

1644
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 2: like twenty third now in the league and win rate,

1645
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 2: but they're up near the top of the league in

1646
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 2: terms of like time to pressure and blown block rate

1647
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 2: and things like that because they're doing these things to

1648
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,560
Speaker 2: help the line. So it hasn't been perfect with the

1649
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: run blocking, but the pass protection for this group has

1650
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 2: really come a long long way. It's a big reason

1651
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: why the pass game has been so good. My last

1652
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: up with Diggs obviously great game six for one oh one.

1653
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: I think the most encouraging thing for this game with Diggs,

1654
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 2: and I keep picking on this guy and I apologize,

1655
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,759
Speaker 2: but I'm going to do it anyways. Yeah, Mike Jackson,

1656
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 2: the corner for the Carolina Panthers, not a very good

1657
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,600
Speaker 2: player in my opinion, not on Stefan Diggs's level, and

1658
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 2: it did not look like he was on Stefan Diggs's

1659
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 2: level on Sunday. The fact that the pay Mariots have

1660
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 2: a version of digs that he can still feast on

1661
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: guys that are not on his level is really really

1662
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: important just for the whole hierarchy of the passing game,

1663
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: because now you go into games and like the Bills

1664
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: are going to prepare for the Patriots offense this week,

1665
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 2: you can't just allow digs to go against your second

1666
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: or third corner like Christian Benford on third down is

1667
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 2: going to have to cover Stefan Dins And now the

1668
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: domino effect that that causes for Kaishaan Budi, for Matt Collins,

1669
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 2: for Kyle Williams, for Tomorrow Douglas, it just puts those

1670
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,799
Speaker 2: guys in the right pecking order. And so if Diggs

1671
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: can do that every single week where he's that coverage

1672
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 2: dictating game planned receiver, that's all you're looking for. Like

1673
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: the production will hopefully come with that too, but even

1674
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 2: if it doesn't, just the fact that he's drawing number

1675
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 2: one receiver coverage is kind of enough. And the Panthers

1676
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: didn't shadow him with J. C. Horn in this game,

1677
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:55,560
Speaker 2: and they hurt for it like they paid for it,

1678
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 2: And hopefully he can continue to do that. It was

1679
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 2: also great to see I talked about the numbers yesterday,

1680
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 2: thirteen air yards per target in this game, six point

1681
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 2: eight six point nine in the first three games, targeting

1682
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 2: him much farther down the field like that. To see

1683
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: him get to the second and third level of the

1684
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 2: defense effectively is really good progress and the really positive

1685
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: for the Patriots as well. So it'sdefon Diggs last one.

1686
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had Digs on there as well. That's my

1687
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 1: holest Okay downs, who you got penalties?

1688
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 3: Number one? We already talked about that.

1689
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had Carlton Davis number one, who had two

1690
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 2: of the seven penalties. Yeah. I don't think Carlon Davis

1691
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 2: has been bad, but he's going to get a lot

1692
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: of targets this season because nobody's going to want to

1693
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 2: throw at Christian Gonzales. So the ball is going to

1694
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,760
Speaker 2: come at him a lot. And if he's holding and

1695
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 2: if he's you know, tugging on jerseys and things like that,

1696
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 2: that he's going to get a lot of flags thrown

1697
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 2: his way because the ball is going to be come

1698
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: in that direction, which puts a spotlight on that matchup.

1699
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 2: And so I thought in this game he struggled a

1700
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 2: little bit with Ted McMillan, certainly on those inbreaking routes,

1701
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,679
Speaker 2: and he's gonna have to gear up every single week

1702
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 2: for seeing a ton of targets, like he's going to

1703
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: get the ball throw in his direction a lot and

1704
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to be ready for it. So I

1705
01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: don't I don't think he's been. It's not been a

1706
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 2: bust of a signing or anything like that, right, but

1707
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: this game wasn't his best game. Who's number two?

1708
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: Number two for me was Christian Ellis. Yeah, bench second

1709
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: week in a row. It's obviously not great. Defense has

1710
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: been getting better and he's neither jacket. We probably should

1711
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: put Jack Gimmons on the ups. He was really good

1712
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: in this game. They have some holes that week' sideline

1713
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: back we could have put in the ups, But you know,

1714
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 1: two benchings in a row, both times the defense gets

1715
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: better after he comes out of the game. You wonder

1716
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: if his starting jobs in jeopardy, especially Jilnie devis eligible

1717
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: to come back off ir this week. I don't think

1718
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 1: that stylistically that's a fit, but they're just going to

1719
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: have another linebacker. Yeah, another another rough game for him,

1720
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: So I only had.

1721
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 2: One other one, and I do want to talk about

1722
01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: one other guy, but I feel like I keep picking

1723
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 2: on a rookie and I feel bad about that. We

1724
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,120
Speaker 2: talked about it. With the defense stuff, just setting the

1725
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: edge against the run in general, I just didn't think

1726
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: was very good in this game. I didn't want to

1727
01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 2: single out either Chason White or Landry because I think

1728
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 2: all three of them at times were culprits of blowing

1729
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 2: the edge. So whether it's schematic, whether it's you know,

1730
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 2: just playing blocks a little bit differently, like, whatever they

1731
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 2: need to do to be a little bit more consistent

1732
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 2: on the edge of the defense, They're going to have

1733
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 2: to figure it out because this is a copycat league.

1734
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 2: And when the teams start to see on film that

1735
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,800
Speaker 2: they can't set the edge, all they're gonna do is

1736
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 2: run off tackle and they're just going to keep hitting

1737
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 2: that button and keep hitting that button until you stop it.

1738
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 2: So that was my second one. You had one more.

1739
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,759
Speaker 3: You said, yeah, Pop Douglas.

1740
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: Now, look he sets the great block on the Hunter

1741
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: Henry touchdown, but he's fallen behind Kyt Williams. Now in

1742
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 1: terms of usage. At least he did in this game.

1743
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 1: The offense looked really good with him not out there.

1744
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 1: I just he he might find himself on the outside

1745
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: looking in of a you know, significant role in this

1746
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: offense as things stand right now.

1747
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: So the one that I the rookie Trayvon Henderson another

1748
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: hold in pass protection, the nine yard checkdown that he caught,

1749
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 2: I thought there was a lot more yards available, Like

1750
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,760
Speaker 2: there's it's one on one with the linebacker and there's

1751
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 2: nobody else on that side of the field. So if

1752
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 2: he makes the linebacker miss there, he's going to be

1753
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: running for a while. That's the type of play less

1754
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 2: so than the pass protection stuff, which I think will

1755
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 2: come in time. Like I would like to see him

1756
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 2: make a defender missing some space there on that pass,

1757
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,719
Speaker 2: Like that's why he's here. Like that, those types of plays,

1758
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 2: getting him into space with the ball in his hands

1759
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 2: as a receiver is why he was drafted at the

1760
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 2: top of the second round. I just I've just been

1761
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 2: a little disappointed. Like it's not like I'm ready to

1762
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: write the kid off or call him a bust or

1763
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,879
Speaker 2: anything like, but it's been a slow start for Travon Henderson.

1764
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: All Right, that is three out, three down, We're gonna

1765
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 2: get to your calls here, We're gonna ask you to

1766
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 2: be a little bit quick. We're going to try to

1767
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: be quicker with the calls because we do want I

1768
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: had to fit previews in and we haven't been doing

1769
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 2: a good job of budgeting all right time in that respect.

1770
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: So we're gonna take a calls.

1771
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 4: Though.

1772
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 2: Patty is an agu on what's up? Patty?

1773
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 4: What's up? Guys?

1774
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: Will make it quick, So thanks Patty.

1775
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 10: The one no problem. The one thing that I don't

1776
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 10: want to happen after this game is win or lose.

1777
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 10: You know, I don't want to see like, if we

1778
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 10: win this game, fans go nuts and have the hype

1779
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 10: train go off the rails and say we're going to

1780
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 10: the super Bowl. We're winning the super Bowl, and lose

1781
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 10: like see, like Paul likes to say, the blid police

1782
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 10: come out and say, see, that's who we really are.

1783
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,320
Speaker 10: I just want to get you guys' thoughts on that,

1784
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 10: and I'll take it off there.

1785
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Patty. You know I

1786
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't worry too much about the external.

1787
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 1: Do you remember in twenty twenty one when they got

1788
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: rolling a little bit and we started seeing the mac

1789
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 1: Jones Tom Brady Super Bowl Collision chorus graphics and all that.

1790
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: I'd like to see him win the game and then

1791
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: whatever happens with that happens with that. But yeah, I mean,

1792
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: people are gonna get a little ridiculous if they do

1793
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 1: win this game. I'd say, you know, take a deep breath.

1794
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: But also it's part of being a fan. It's part

1795
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: of being a fan. You win a game like that,

1796
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: you know they'll be over five hundred for the first

1797
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: outside of being one and oh last year, for the

1798
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: first time since when like probably twenty twenty one, right

1799
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:14,640
Speaker 1: back to back wins for the first time in a

1800
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: long time.

1801
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 2: Like, you're getting ahead of ourself. Yeah, they're gonna win

1802
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 2: this game, but I'm not gonna fall fans for being

1803
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 2: excited if they win the game on Sunday night. Now, internally,

1804
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike Rabel will do everything in his power

1805
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: to keep them grounded. But that's internal, Like I don't

1806
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 2: we don't have to do like we're not playing, we're

1807
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 2: not coaching.

1808
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 3: I'll just say this.

1809
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 1: I've been known to take a victory lap for two

1810
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: on takes. The biggest victory lap I probably ever took

1811
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,759
Speaker 1: was after the Mac Jones three pass wind game in Buffalo,

1812
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: and what has it been like between the Patriots and

1813
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 1: Bills since? So just you know, keep that in mind

1814
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: if you're gonna make any big picture claims.

1815
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 2: All right, Christian is in La. What's up? Christian?

1816
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 7: Hey you guys?

1817
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 2: Hey, how are we doing?

1818
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 11: Happy Wednesday?

1819
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 12: Today?

1820
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 11: Good today? So really quickly to me, I really feel

1821
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 11: like the key to this game, at least with having

1822
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 11: a chance in the game, really is our sideline, the

1823
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,839
Speaker 11: sideline defense. I feel really confident about our run defense

1824
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 11: up the middle. Yeah, we've given us some stuff, but

1825
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 11: I'm pretty secure with not losing the game by by

1826
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 11: a team beating us in the like in the trenches.

1827
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 11: But sideline sideline sort of worries me. And I think

1828
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 11: if we can get sidelined, the sideline defense cover these guys.

1829
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 11: I really think we can neutralize a lot of what

1830
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 11: James Cook does to make his big yards and then

1831
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 11: you know, against Blaine or someone's gonna have to cover

1832
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 11: him out the backfield. So to me, when the game

1833
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 11: really key on how we play and treat James James Cook.

1834
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Christian, thanks for the call. It's it's a really

1835
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: good point. I think preparing, you know, setting up for

1836
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:50,679
Speaker 2: the Bills this week. And we're going to get into

1837
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: this deeper in a second. But they are under center

1838
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 2: a lot more now. They run the ball traditionally a

1839
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 2: lot more now than what you probably, uh, you know,

1840
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 2: if you think of Josh Allen, you think of him

1841
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 2: running a lot. But they turned the ball, they you know,

1842
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 2: snapped the ball, turn it around and handed to James

1843
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 2: Cook a lot more now than they did maybe two

1844
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,560
Speaker 2: or three years ago. And he is you could argue that,

1845
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, he's kind of outside of Allen, like the

1846
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 2: engine of their offense right now. Him, Shakir and Allan

1847
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:20,839
Speaker 2: are kind of like their holy trinity, like their threesome

1848
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 2: right there, of guys that are really driving this offense

1849
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: to number one in the league in pretty much every category.

1850
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 2: I think they're second in points technically because the Lions

1851
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 2: scored like sixty one one week. So yeah, so the Bears. Yeah,

1852
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 2: so that's but they are they're thirty fit points a week,

1853
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 2: of thirty points a game every week, like they are hitting.

1854
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 2: They're not You're probably not going to hold the Buffalo

1855
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: Bills under thirty points, let me put it to you

1856
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 2: that way. And James Cook is a huge part of it.

1857
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 2: The passing game stuff is obviously there for them if

1858
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 2: they want it, Like the Bills can do whatever they want.

1859
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 2: They have that kind of offense and that kind of talent.

1860
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: But I would say the run game with what James

1861
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: Cook has really been a difference maker because it's made

1862
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: their offense more consistent, Like it's less volatile because it's

1863
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,680
Speaker 2: not all predicated on Josh Allen just like throwing haymakers

1864
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 2: all the time now because they have like scripted offense

1865
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 2: that they can go to where they're just running plays

1866
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 2: in structure traditionally conventionally offensively, and that's just leveled out

1867
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 2: their offense so much so that it's not just like

1868
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 2: sixty yard bomb pick, sixty yard bomb pick right like,

1869
01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: and now there's a consistency to it. Let's take Randy

1870
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 2: in Providence. What's up Randy?

1871
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 13: He of guys, how's it going with that?

1872
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 2: Good?

1873
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 13: So real quick? Two questions. One, in the pre draft

1874
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 13: process part of the whole Will Campbell scouting, you saw

1875
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 13: the Land and Jackson matchup, which was kind of his kryptonite.

1876
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,920
Speaker 13: And I'm wondering how you guys think that he's grown

1877
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 13: since that matchup to not necessarily specifically avoid Jackson, who

1878
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,680
Speaker 13: I don't believe has been active yet, but to what

1879
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 13: any chips to Jackson might give his teammates on like

1880
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 13: how he was able to consistently get Campbell that week

1881
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 13: last year. And then secondarily just quick five names. There

1882
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 13: are five names that made eighty or better grade for

1883
01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 13: PFF this week for the Patriots. On Wayne You, Giggs,

1884
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 13: bar More, Pettis s the lay you guys hadn't mentioned

1885
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 13: Pettis at all. I wonder what you think about that.

1886
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 13: On Wayne You was the highest graded right guard in

1887
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 13: the week in the year in the league this week too,

1888
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 13: So thanks thanks.

1889
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 2: For the caller, Randy. Yeah, del Pettis played in garbage

1890
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 2: time in the fourth quarter. Yeah, it was a little

1891
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 2: bit of a small sample size there in terms of

1892
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: his play, But on when it has been interesting because

1893
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 2: I had him for a hurry in this game, and look,

1894
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 2: he's a run blocking right guard in their last in

1895
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 2: the league in rush EPA. So I have I understand

1896
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 2: that it's a team game and it's not just one

1897
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 2: guy ever, But at the same time, you know, if

1898
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 2: you're I think there's an another gear there for big

1899
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 2: Mike as a run blocker to really be an impact

1900
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,799
Speaker 2: run blocker and have that right side be an impact

1901
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: right side for them that I just don't know if

1902
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,760
Speaker 2: they've not fully hit yet. And and so I don't

1903
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: think on one who I know, he gets a lot

1904
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 2: of flak. He is a big dude, and some people

1905
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 2: think he's out of shape and all that stuff. I

1906
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: don't think he's been bad, but when you're paying a

1907
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 2: guard eighteen million dollars like you're expecting him to be

1908
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 2: a little more an impact player. Yeah, all right, Jeff

1909
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 2: is in Maine. What's up, Jeff?

1910
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, good, I'll make it quick. I got a

1911
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 5: comment in a question. The comment is Island off to

1912
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 5: a rough start for one and three? Uh oh no,

1913
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow was like quarterback, so things have gone downhill.

1914
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 5: We had a bounce back week this week, though, so

1915
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 5: we're you know, we'll we'll get back there.

1916
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Love it and my question.

1917
01:29:57,400 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 5: I feel pretty good about our matchup with the Bills receivers.

1918
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 5: I think that you know, Davis bigger physical corner, matches

1919
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 5: up really well with Kean Coleman, really shifty, smooth guy

1920
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 5: against all his matches up well with Khalil Shakir and

1921
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 5: then their tight ends are a little bit worrying with

1922
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 5: how Tommy Tremble did against this last week. I was

1923
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 5: just wondering what you guys think about how we match

1924
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,320
Speaker 5: up against the Bills passing game. And I'll take it

1925
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 5: off there.

1926
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Yeah, Jeff, thanks for the call. I it's

1927
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 2: a it's a good question. And I was on with

1928
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 2: the Bills guys on coover one Greg and Aaron last night.

1929
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 2: And when you hear the opponent's perspective on your team's

1930
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 2: kind of interesting because they're always looking at it like

1931
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,720
Speaker 2: where are the holes, Like where are the weaknesses that

1932
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 2: the Bills can attack? And you know, rightfully, they pointed

1933
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 2: out the Patriots linebackers and safeties against the Bills tight

1934
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:56,360
Speaker 2: ends and running backs like that was where we went

1935
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 2: and where the conversation went. And I think that's a

1936
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: it's a fair concern and I want to kind of

1937
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 2: tackle here in a second more in depth, but that,

1938
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 2: to me is part of what probably is going to

1939
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: decide this game is whether or not the Patriots can

1940
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 2: cover Kincaid and Knox. And I'm I was gonna say

1941
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 2: Dalvin James Cook out of the backfield like that, that's

1942
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a big part of this game. But I

1943
01:31:20,439 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 2: also when I watch the Bills offense, I know how

1944
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: you feel about this, Alex. When I watch their passing game,

1945
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 2: I think Khalil Shakira is the guy that starts to

1946
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 2: drink in that passing game. Like to me, he's the

1947
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 2: one that is almost like Edelman like where like he's

1948
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: the chain mover. He's fantastic with the ball in his hands,

1949
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 2: breaks tackles at an insane rate for receivers, led the

1950
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 2: league in broken tackles last year, is near the top

1951
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 2: of the league, and broken tackles this year. Given the

1952
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: Patriots issues that they've had tackling through the first month

1953
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,880
Speaker 2: of the season two, I just look at Shakir and say,

1954
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,120
Speaker 2: that's the guy that you absolutely like. If they beat

1955
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 2: you throwing the ball. Dawstin Knox and Kean Coleman and

1956
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 2: like these other guys in their passing game, you kind

1957
01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 2: of have to just tip the cap to those types

1958
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: of things. I'm not saying that don't go in with

1959
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 2: the plan, but I think Khalios Shakira is the guy

1960
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 2: that really is Josh Allen's binky, Like that's the enngine

1961
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:18,439
Speaker 2: of this offense.

1962
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 1: And he's killed Patriots, has been very good and that wow,

1963
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 1: I am I blaying on his name Isaiah not Isaiah Rodgers,

1964
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 1: Isaiah Zi McKenzie roll a little bit. That's probably who

1965
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm putting Gonzales on in this game.

1966
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 2: And if you want to talk about that, it's tough

1967
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 2: because Shakir is a catch and run guy and he's

1968
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 2: not a guy that Gonzalez is gonna end up covering

1969
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 2: a lot down the field with downfield routes. They throw

1970
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 2: a ton of passes to him short behind the line

1971
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, passes like screens and you know, motions and

1972
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: like all that different kind of thing. Uh, you know,

1973
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 2: all those like schemed plays that they run offensively in

1974
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 2: the passing game or pretty much all featuring Khalil shit here.

1975
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 2: So it's a tough matchup for a guy like Gonzalez,

1976
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: who is fantastic. But Gonzalez really takes out guys that

1977
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 2: are running routes down the field like that's his specialty.

1978
01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 2: I don't also wouldn't necessarily say that tackling is Christian

1979
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 2: Gonzalez his best trade either, So I don't know what

1980
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 2: exactly because like in theory, I agree, and I'm probably

1981
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 2: gonna write that it should be Gonzalez because Shakir to

1982
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 2: me is top billing like he is. He is like

1983
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 2: the Marquee matchup in this game and the Bills passing game.

1984
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 2: But I do wonder how they handle him because he

1985
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 2: is a little bit different last year. Not that last

1986
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 2: year's coaching staff is the best barometer of how to

1987
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 2: game plan an offense, but they had Jonathan Jones on Shaquir,

1988
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 2: which makes sense, like speed guy, great open field tackler.

1989
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if Marcus Jones is necessarily that kind

1990
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 2: of player, but maybe a little bit more like that

1991
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 2: kind of player. So it's an interesting It's not like

1992
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 2: it's not a Ted McMillan where you can just line

1993
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 2: up Christian Gonzales over him and have them go to

1994
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 2: to tem They.

1995
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 3: Just don't have a ton of good receivers though, and

1996
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 3: somebody's got to cover somebody.

1997
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan is in Tennessee. What's up, Brian?

1998
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 5: Hey, what's up?

1999
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 4: Guys? Huge fans of the show, and your guys's takes

2000
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 4: an analysis and what you do, so thank you keeping

2001
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 4: past fans close to all the action and a couple

2002
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,640
Speaker 4: of things. Yeah, absolutely, And I know you want to

2003
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 4: be quick, so I'll be as quick as I can here.

2004
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 4: But just like big picture, I can't remember the last

2005
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 4: time I was just excited about the Patriots really, and

2006
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:37,519
Speaker 4: when the schedule came out, I kind of was just

2007
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 4: hoping for two and two entering the Buffalo game no

2008
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 4: matter how it came, and it was very interesting, but

2009
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:48,800
Speaker 4: super excited for the matchup this week and nice to

2010
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,920
Speaker 4: not just be incredibly nervous before we play Buffalo and

2011
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 4: really just feeling like we have a chance in every

2012
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 4: game that we have on the schedule that we have

2013
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 4: a chance to be in it with this staff, our offense, defense,

2014
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 4: and everything we've got going.

2015
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 8: For us this year.

2016
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 4: So that's all. And wanted to stay hi and get

2017
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 4: thank you guys for what you do. And I also

2018
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,840
Speaker 4: agree Marcus Jones on Khalil Shakir. I think he's our

2019
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 4: best matchup match at speed and a pretty good tackler,

2020
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:18,560
Speaker 4: underrated tackler. So that's all I got, guys, Thank you again, appreciated,

2021
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:19,440
Speaker 4: no problem.

2022
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:22,680
Speaker 2: Thanks for the caller, I appreciate it. Uh yeah, it

2023
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 2: is nice And like I think I might have said

2024
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 2: this off the air, so I'll say it on the air.

2025
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 2: The fact that we can like really get you know,

2026
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 2: nerd out and talk about like the x's and o's,

2027
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 2: and but also just like get really in depth on

2028
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 2: the games because people actually care about how these games unfold.

2029
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:42,439
Speaker 2: Again is, uh, is what this show is all about.

2030
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 2: So it's really cool that we have that opportunity. I

2031
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 2: just feel like the last couple of years everything is

2032
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 2: just so doom and gloom, and you know, it's just, uh,

2033
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:55,000
Speaker 2: what went wrong or you know, big picture draft, you know,

2034
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 2: like all these other different things, Like that's not what

2035
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 2: this show was built for. This show is built do

2036
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:02,120
Speaker 2: what we're doing here today. So it's cool to be

2037
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 2: back in that category, at least for now. We'll see

2038
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 2: if it lasts, but at least for this week, we're

2039
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 2: back in that in that world. Jordan is in Georgia.

2040
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:10,759
Speaker 2: What's up, Jordan?

2041
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 12: Hey guys, this is my first time calling Glad. I

2042
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 12: finally got to I watch you all the time.

2043
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

2044
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 12: Yeah. My question more of a statement REALA. I love

2045
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 12: the Patriots. I got a lot of friends, and I

2046
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,240
Speaker 12: still a lot of people in the media hyping this

2047
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 12: stuff after these last couple wins. I don't want to

2048
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 12: be a Debbie downer, but like I've been watching football

2049
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,200
Speaker 12: for ten years and I don't know if I've seen

2050
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:40,759
Speaker 12: a more miserable fifty three man roster than the Panthers.

2051
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 12: Like receivers I've never heard of. Bryceon Tremaine was starting

2052
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 12: for them. Hunter Renfro who they actually cut I heard,

2053
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 12: and then brought back after a Cocher injury. Besides, Ted

2054
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 12: didn't really have anyone. I think they said they had

2055
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 12: two pressures on Drake May the whole day. And I'm

2056
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 12: really I love the direction we're going in. I feel

2057
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 12: like we're building momentum, but I just I want to

2058
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 12: see it against some better teams. I just want to

2059
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 12: know if I'm being too pessimistic.

2060
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,680
Speaker 2: But that's it, No, no, not at all. I think

2061
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,760
Speaker 2: that you're spot on. But just the one thing I

2062
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 2: would say, just on the positive is that the Panthers

2063
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 2: are not a good team and the Patriots made them

2064
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 2: look like.

2065
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:20,960
Speaker 3: Beat by thirty.

2066
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: Right, it would be one thing that that was like

2067
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: a ten point game and it was close, and you

2068
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,200
Speaker 1: can't not play them. You don't get to be like, well,

2069
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:30,400
Speaker 1: we're so above them, like we don't you know, So

2070
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: I get what he wanted to look like against the

2071
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: bad team.

2072
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 2: If we're if we're talking playoffs or trying to take

2073
01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 2: this team's truly seriously, he's right, He's one hundred percent right.

2074
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:42,720
Speaker 2: With that being said, when you play bad teams, you

2075
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: make them look bad. You win by twenty nine, win

2076
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,680
Speaker 2: by thirty, that's what it's supposed to look like, right,

2077
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 2: And so they were able to do that. I you

2078
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:52,840
Speaker 2: can't say the same for that. This team for the

2079
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 2: past like two and a half years, they have not

2080
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 2: been able to beat bad teams the way they beat

2081
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,760
Speaker 2: down Carolina on Sunday. So that's a that's positive. What

2082
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 2: was Mike Rabel's first checkpoint? Can you take advantage of

2083
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,839
Speaker 2: bad football? They're starting to take advantage of bad football,

2084
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,160
Speaker 2: Like the win against Miami was kind of taking advantage

2085
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 2: of bad football. And then this was also with taking

2086
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 2: it football. And you know, just quickly just look at

2087
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 2: the schedule, like this schedule bad. There's a lot of

2088
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 2: bad football at Buffalo this week. But one thing, but yeah,

2089
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 2: I mean you have that was it New Orleans, Tennessee.

2090
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,720
Speaker 2: Cleveland Trio there right after Buffalo to wrap up the month,

2091
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,680
Speaker 2: of October. That's a lot of bad football, and that's

2092
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities there to win some of these

2093
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 2: games and and just try to get ahead of it

2094
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 2: and maybe even be dare I say, like in the hunt,

2095
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 2: you know, come December and January, if you clean up

2096
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 2: and let's face it, like I don't know what's gonna

2097
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 2: happen in Atlanta, Like Atlanta is is sort of teetering.

2098
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 2: They played better this past week, But this Panthers team

2099
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 2: beat Atlanta thirty to nothing two weeks ago, right like that,

2100
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 2: that Panthers team that everybody's saying is terrible blew out

2101
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 2: the Falcons the week before. So if Falcons are on

2102
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 2: your schedule, the Joe Burrow of Cincinnati Bengals that look

2103
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:07,720
Speaker 2: lifeless on Monday night are on your schedule. Both those

2104
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 2: teams Miami and the Jets that also looked like they

2105
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,519
Speaker 2: were a bunch of bad football going on in that game.

2106
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 2: You have three more games against those guys. So I

2107
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 2: just rattle off six to seven games, right that are

2108
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 2: all very winnable for the Patriots, and they you know,

2109
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 2: you start talking about eight, nine, ten wins, now you

2110
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,560
Speaker 2: start talking about wild card and being a six or

2111
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 2: seven seed and all that good stuff. We have twenty

2112
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 2: minutes to talk about the bill, so we did a

2113
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 2: little bit better today with the timing here. This game,

2114
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 2: to me is a really fascinating game in terms of

2115
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 2: matchups and all that kind of stuff. Let's start with

2116
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 2: Josh Allen because I just I know that this is

2117
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 2: one of our favorite topics to discuss on and off

2118
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,600
Speaker 2: the air With Josh Allen. I have two takes on

2119
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. The first take is watching their film and

2120
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 2: watching their offense over the last two years evolve. They

2121
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: have basically allowed Josh Allen to be Clark Kent like

2122
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the time, and then every once

2123
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 2: in a while, like last week he had that big

2124
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 2: thirty yard run where he pulls out the Superman cap.

2125
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,879
Speaker 2: But he doesn't have to do that as much anymore,

2126
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:19,600
Speaker 2: and he's gotten so much better in structure, running conventional

2127
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 2: offense that it's just made them a juggernaut offensively. And

2128
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 2: I give him credit for that. I gave obviously the

2129
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 2: Buffalo coaches, and Joe Brady is really good at what

2130
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 2: he does too, But to me, that's been the biggest

2131
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:34,560
Speaker 2: difference with Josh Allen, that the Patriots faced early on

2132
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 2: in his career. In the Josh Allen now is Josh

2133
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 2: Allen now can play quarterback like he can sit in

2134
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 2: the pocket and just tear you up just playing conventional quarterback.

2135
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 2: I mentioned the run game stuff earlier on with James Cook.

2136
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 2: When you can buy those two things that they are

2137
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 2: number one in the league right now in pass and

2138
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,000
Speaker 2: rush EPA. They're number one in both categories. They are

2139
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 2: the best offense in football. And I think a lot

2140
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:59,280
Speaker 2: of it stems from the fact that Josh Allen doesn't

2141
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 2: play as much chiro ball anymore as what he did

2142
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 2: early on in his career. So where are you at

2143
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,320
Speaker 2: with Josh Allen? Because I know that this is all

2144
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,519
Speaker 2: we always go back and forth on Josh Allen. I

2145
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 2: wanted you're on the record now here.

2146
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:14,760
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I said for years that there were

2147
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 1: elements of the quarterback position that he couldn't handle, and

2148
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: you yelled at me for being a hater, and you

2149
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: just admitted that he struggled at playing quarterback until recently.

2150
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 2: I didn't say that now that you just did. I

2151
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,799
Speaker 2: think that it's I give him a lot of credit

2152
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 2: for developing patients.

2153
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 3: You literally just said, he's really playing quarterback. I think

2154
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 3: something like that.

2155
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,679
Speaker 2: Developing patients is something that I think is a really

2156
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 2: underrated thing about quarterback play. When you're Josh Allen and

2157
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 2: everybody is trying to keep you in the pocket, and

2158
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 2: everybody's trying to keep the top on the defense, and

2159
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 2: they're playing a lot of soft zone and covered two

2160
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 2: and two high shell, Like the easiest thing to do

2161
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,560
Speaker 2: is to go play hero and start running around and

2162
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 2: chucking the ball all over the place. And to his credit,

2163
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 2: what his growth has been, along with the mechanic stuff

2164
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,400
Speaker 2: and the accuracy, is that he is now willing to

2165
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,960
Speaker 2: take the profits, like he's willing to just sit there

2166
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 2: and throw the ball underneath the defense and move the

2167
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,920
Speaker 2: ball that way. He is middle of the road, like

2168
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: nineteenth in air yards per per pass attempt, but they're

2169
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 2: number one inefficiency. So the fact that he's not throwing

2170
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: the ball down in the field it done hasn't hurt

2171
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 2: them at all. And that's a testament to I think

2172
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,880
Speaker 2: him developing some patients, which I think is tough for

2173
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks.

2174
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I look, it is impressive. He's cut out

2175
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 1: the turnovers and that's what was killing him. And I

2176
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 1: know that the math will tell you that the turnovers

2177
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: aren't important, because I didn't say that. The nerds saw

2178
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 1: their favorite guy turning the ball over and said, let's

2179
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 1: cook up a formula where we downplay that. But no,

2180
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 1: the fact he's not turning the ball over now and

2181
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 1: he can play more instructure. I mean, that was the

2182
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 1: book on him, was just keep him in structure, make

2183
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: him be patient. He could do it against Patriots because

2184
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:51,879
Speaker 1: he had a hair across his ass for Bill Belichick

2185
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,280
Speaker 1: in this organization, and he would only do it against

2186
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: Patriots and nobody else.

2187
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 2: We saw that.

2188
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 3: Now he's doing it against everybody.

2189
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 2: So it hurts you to say say nice things about him.

2190
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 3: Heard you never said that he's bad. I just said

2191
01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 3: he was overrated, and I still think it's true.

2192
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:09,600
Speaker 1: Like I got asked this morning on the radio, I

2193
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 1: was on a Toucher and Hardy and touch of do

2194
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:13,439
Speaker 1: you think James Cook's one of the most underrated players

2195
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: in the league. I think he is, or one of

2196
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:16,600
Speaker 1: the more underrated running backs in league. I think he

2197
01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:18,880
Speaker 1: is because we have to give anything that happens with

2198
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: the Bill's credit. Anything that happens with the Bills. We

2199
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: have to credit to Josh Allen, nobody else cook and

2200
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 1: you you were very confimentari secure today, but we have

2201
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: to give and look, ironically, now there's not as much

2202
01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: talent around him as there used to be. I thought

2203
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: Diggs was underrated for years, and I still think he

2204
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 1: was at the time.

2205
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 2: But like you are still you're still like on this island,

2206
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 2: like you're still you're not.

2207
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 1: What Josh Allen is doing now is very impressive. You

2208
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: guys have been talking about him like he was doing

2209
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,599
Speaker 1: this since twenty twenty, and he hasn't been this hass been.

2210
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 2: He's been a top five quarterback in the league since

2211
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.

2212
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: The way he's playing right now. You just said he's

2213
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: changed a lot in the last year and change.

2214
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 2: I said that he's playing more conventional quarter but that

2215
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that he wasn't damn good doing the other stuff.

2216
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,640
Speaker 3: But what he was doing before, right, And I never

2217
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 3: said he was bad before, but these were just and

2218
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:11,760
Speaker 3: this is my point. I never said he was bad.

2219
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:13,719
Speaker 3: I just pointed out there were flaws in his games.

2220
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:14,760
Speaker 2: Overrated, I think.

2221
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: Because I pointed out there were flaws in his game

2222
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:20,840
Speaker 1: and got you, Josh Allen, you're just a hater brob

2223
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 1: the book.

2224
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, he's perfect, all hail Saint Allen or whatever.

2225
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 3: But like you know, and now he's cleaned up a lot.

2226
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:28,320
Speaker 3: And here's the thing.

2227
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: So you're now sure changing him because I want to Yes,

2228
01:44:31,160 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: you are, because I want to say, he's cleaned up

2229
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things in his game that I thought

2230
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 1: were going to be tough to clean up. But according

2231
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: to you and all the other fan boys, he was

2232
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 1: perfect forever. So we can't give him credit for he does.

2233
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:42,280
Speaker 1: How can he get better?

2234
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 2: So no, that's not what I say.

2235
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 1: I just look, I you got to be on your

2236
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:48,680
Speaker 1: p's and q's defending him. He doesn't give you a

2237
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: ton of room for error defensively. The hardest thing with him,

2238
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: the thing that always kills me and the play that

2239
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 1: the play that I think really scares me with him

2240
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 1: more than anything else, when he starts rolling out of

2241
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:04,120
Speaker 1: the pocket and he just has an unbelievable knack for

2242
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,120
Speaker 1: you get the two on one and he's got a

2243
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,560
Speaker 1: receiver in the flat and there's one defender and the

2244
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,719
Speaker 1: defender has to either come down and crashing on Allen

2245
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 1: or take the receiver in the flat. He's really good

2246
01:45:15,680 --> 01:45:17,799
Speaker 1: at waiting until the last second to make that decision

2247
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 1: and always making the right decision. It's uncanny the way

2248
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 1: he always makes the right decision in that situation. That's

2249
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:24,840
Speaker 1: the play that makes me pull my hair out, is

2250
01:45:24,920 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 1: you think you haven't pinted the sideline and either the

2251
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: defender pulls up the last second because they don't want

2252
01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 1: to flag, or they think he's gonna throw and then boom,

2253
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: he scoots up the sideline for fifteen yards, or that

2254
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: defender crashes down, he flips the ball to whoever, and

2255
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 1: now that guy's got a ton of room to run.

2256
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: That's the play to me that makes him the most dangerous.

2257
01:45:42,280 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I think everybody goes there with

2258
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:51,200
Speaker 2: him because that is the play that is a backbreaker.

2259
01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 2: Like it's third and eight and you have them and

2260
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,320
Speaker 2: you have the initial kind of routes covered initially, and

2261
01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 2: you have the play stopped initially, and then he just

2262
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:02,280
Speaker 2: goes off script and pulls something out of his butt.

2263
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:05,720
Speaker 2: But you know, like I was saying, he doesn't have

2264
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 2: to do that as much anymore because their conventional offense

2265
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,519
Speaker 2: is just working, like they just they just have enough

2266
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 2: open guys that he can just make throws on time

2267
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 2: from the pocket. It's cool to see that development. I

2268
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 2: think it gives you an awful lot of hope if

2269
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:21,880
Speaker 2: you're a Patriots fan about Drake May, because you already

2270
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 2: see Drake May doing that. I would say even earlier

2271
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 2: on in his career compared to Josh Allen, like Drake

2272
01:46:28,040 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 2: May and your two is already where Josh Allen started

2273
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:35,120
Speaker 2: to get maybe in like nineteen twenty twenty type range,

2274
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 2: which is two three years into Allen's career. The other

2275
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to say about Josh Allen just from

2276
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:42,120
Speaker 2: like a game plan perspective on how to you know,

2277
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:49,920
Speaker 2: stop this freaking guy. Teams have not really brought the

2278
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 2: fight to Buffalo very often, and a big part of

2279
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing on film with the Bills is that

2280
01:46:55,960 --> 01:46:59,480
Speaker 2: they get all this soft zone coverage because everybody's terrified

2281
01:47:00,120 --> 01:47:02,839
Speaker 2: of the big play and him getting out of the pocket.

2282
01:47:03,240 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 2: So it's mush rush. Four guys drop off into coverage,

2283
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 2: keep everything in front of you. They right now are

2284
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:13,719
Speaker 2: lead in the league and yards after the catch per reception,

2285
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 2: they're averaging seven yards per catch after the reception. They

2286
01:47:18,400 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 2: have twelve explosive plays on passes that traveled less than

2287
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,639
Speaker 2: ten yards in the air. So they're just killing teams

2288
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 2: on catch and run stuff, screens Khalil Shakira brick and

2289
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 2: six tackles last week and going up the sideline and

2290
01:47:31,880 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 2: all of this is because everybody backs off, like everybody,

2291
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, they're giving them eight yards of cushion. And

2292
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 2: so all Alan does is he just flips the screen

2293
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 2: out to Khalil Shakir with a couple of blockers, and

2294
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 2: the corners are way off the line of scrimmage and

2295
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 2: Shaki's just running, you know, with daylight all the time.

2296
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 2: And I understand that this strategy a lot kind of

2297
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 2: you know, on steroids. But like week one, Yeah, for

2298
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:59,680
Speaker 2: the Patriots defense, you might lose some rounds like this,

2299
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 2: I end up with you on the mat a couple

2300
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 2: of times. But with the corners that the Patriots have,

2301
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 2: with the pass rushers that the Patriots have up front,

2302
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 2: has anybody actually tried to like get in the face

2303
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 2: of these receivers and try to press these guys because

2304
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 2: they're not a great group of wide receivers. And the

2305
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 2: one thing that gives you pause on that is they

2306
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 2: do motion. So much that if you try to play

2307
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 2: man to man and now you're chasing Shakir left to

2308
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:28,880
Speaker 2: right because he's constantly going in motion. That's what Joe

2309
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 2: Brady's gonna do if they play man is He's just

2310
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 2: going to motion Shakir all over the place. But I

2311
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 2: just wonder if you if you try to bring the

2312
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,720
Speaker 2: fight to them a little bit and you go man

2313
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 2: to the mass, say this for a long time. You

2314
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 2: play press, you rush four or five guys to keep

2315
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 2: Allen in the pocket, and let's see, like, let's see

2316
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 2: if these receivers for Buffalo can separate.

2317
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: I've said this for a while. There's more games than

2318
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 1: people want to admit. That the Bill's success is just

2319
01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 1: the other team playing scared. And I always go back

2320
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 1: to and I've told her story on here before, but

2321
01:49:01,080 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: like when when Brady came back here in twenty one

2322
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:06,720
Speaker 1: and we were talking to Matthew Judne about it.

2323
01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 3: Matthew Judon had been on.

2324
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 1: Some of those Ravens teams right that gave the Patriots trouble,

2325
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:12,200
Speaker 1: and he talked to some guys that were on the

2326
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: teams that really gave him trouble back in the day,

2327
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't say Brady's name or something during the

2328
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: press conference. I mean, there was something weird about it,

2329
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 1: and we just kind of kept asking him and he's like, guys, look,

2330
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 1: he's a good football player. And I'm paraphrasing if he's like,

2331
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 1: he's a good football player. But we're in the NFL

2332
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 1: two and at a certain point, you got to do

2333
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:31,800
Speaker 1: what you do. And we saw how many teams did

2334
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:34,160
Speaker 1: we see come in here, whether it was the Steelers,

2335
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:36,759
Speaker 1: whether it was the Colts, whether it was the Chargers

2336
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 1: and just completely try to reinvent themselves because they were

2337
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 1: so in their heads about what this Patriots offense was.

2338
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 1: And now you come out of your comfort zone and

2339
01:49:47,560 --> 01:49:49,840
Speaker 1: you're hurting yourself more than you think. And I think

2340
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 1: some teams do that against the Bills now, and frankly,

2341
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 1: the Bills are not good enough to deserve that respect,

2342
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 1: not dis iteration of their offense.

2343
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 2: You just said they have no receivers. Don't laugh, I say,

2344
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 2: this is your point of receivers. I said that they're

2345
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:02,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if this group because like.

2346
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: Who's who's better receiver in Patriots and Bills close exactly

2347
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 1: like Shakira, I think might be a little bit better.

2348
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 1: And after last week, I don't know, but if dig

2349
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:17,840
Speaker 1: starts like getting healthy and.

2350
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 2: I hear your point, and this is my point, so finish.

2351
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: So like I said, there's all these teams that would

2352
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 1: come in and just mess their pants because oh it's

2353
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots. We got to do all this stuff that

2354
01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 1: we don't know how to do because we got to

2355
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:35,560
Speaker 1: do something different, and the Patriots just roll over. The

2356
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,320
Speaker 1: Ravens were the one team. And this is why the

2357
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 1: Ravens gave the Patriots trouble for all these years. I

2358
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: think is part of it because Ray Lewis and Terrell

2359
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 1: Suggs and those guys had this mentality that who cares.

2360
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,920
Speaker 3: Right where in the league. They're in the league, let's

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01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 3: play ball. And I do think against the Bills and

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01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 3: the Chiefs, like against any great team, I see that this.

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01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: The Eagles are another team that this happens against you.

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01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:59,640
Speaker 1: I see teams twist themselves into a pretzel trying to

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01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 1: get against the Eagles, and it's like, just play them, man, Yeah,

2366
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 1: just play them. If you're a decent team and maybe

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01:51:05,320 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: they win, maybe they are better than you. You at

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01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 1: a certain point, you gotta do what you do and

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01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 1: you got to play to your strength. So to your point,

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01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:14,680
Speaker 1: they got a good pass rush, they got these big

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01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 1: physical corners, get up on them present. But Josh Allen

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01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 1: might do that, all right, So then sit ten yards

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01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: off and let him pick you apart, right right, That's

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01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:24,240
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, That's what I saw. Don't let this

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01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:26,599
Speaker 1: couple weeks force you to reinvent yourself.

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01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's exactly what I've seen the last

2377
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 2: couple of weeks out of these defenses is that they're

2378
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 2: terrified of the deep ball. They're terrified of Josh Allen

2379
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:36,479
Speaker 2: off script. And if you play man to man coverage,

2380
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 2: then you're you're opening yourself up for him running around

2381
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:40,120
Speaker 2: and playing off.

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01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 3: Having a spy in this game would be helped, sure,

2383
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:43,479
Speaker 3: But and if you.

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01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 2: Spy him and you for you know, with the spy

2385
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 2: and forced him into a decision, right, I don't let

2386
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 2: him just extend the play. And I think the biggest

2387
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:53,160
Speaker 2: thing to me about it all you know, we were

2388
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 2: talking about it just now, with Josh Allen and his growth,

2389
01:51:56,800 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 2: like at this point, I would rather turn this into

2390
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 2: a messy playground football game. And I know that sounds

2391
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 2: crazy with Josh Allen because that's been his superpower. But

2392
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:12,479
Speaker 2: I think that you're gonna win more rounds than doing

2393
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:16,960
Speaker 2: it that way then backing off and playing scared, because

2394
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:19,439
Speaker 2: when you back off and play scared, they are just

2395
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 2: driving the ball down the field on teams, they're taking

2396
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 2: the profits underneath zone defenses. They're running the football at

2397
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 2: an extremely high rate. So I just wonder if the Patriots,

2398
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 2: now with these two corners, are just built. So let's

2399
01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 2: just man them up and let's see, like, let's make

2400
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:40,120
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman get open. Let's make you know, Dalton Kinkaid

2401
01:52:40,240 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 2: beat us. Let's make this happen for the Bills instead

2402
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,120
Speaker 2: of just we're gonna give am eight yard checkdowns every

2403
01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 2: all game long, because as you always talk about with

2404
01:52:49,479 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 2: the run game, if you have a j eight yards

2405
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,400
Speaker 2: per pass attempt, they're gonna be in the end zone

2406
01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 2: a lot. And it just I get why teams are afraid,

2407
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:59,040
Speaker 2: but the Patriots might be one of the few teams

2408
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 2: that have the personnel to not be afraid.

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01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 1: And it's also I mean, do you think there's a

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01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,200
Speaker 1: chance the Bills overlooked the Patriots a little bit? But

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01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 1: they went up there last year and got up to

2412
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:10,200
Speaker 1: a fourteen nothing lead, like ultimately didn't hold it.

2413
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:13,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was one of the best games. Although

2414
01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 2: like they they kind of they were in more of

2415
01:53:16,560 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 2: a dogfight against New Orleans and they wanted to be

2416
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 2: in And so I do think that the Bills kind

2417
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:23,679
Speaker 2: of had some humble pie last week where the Saints

2418
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 2: were not really in the game, but it was thirty

2419
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:26,719
Speaker 2: one to nineteen.

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01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: There are also an element of Dolphins played them close.

2421
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 1: And I get that's a divisional game on a short week,

2422
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:33,840
Speaker 1: but the Dolphins played him close at home.

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01:53:34,640 --> 01:53:36,240
Speaker 3: How do the Bills have three home games in a row.

2424
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:37,320
Speaker 3: Of course they do.

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01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 1: Dolphins played them close at home. Saints played them close

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01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 1: at home. Maybe there's something to that. Maybe there's something

2427
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,519
Speaker 1: to the Bills letting these teams hang around and stay

2428
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:52,880
Speaker 1: in games, and maybe they're not the juggernaut. Everybody thinks

2429
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:56,479
Speaker 1: last thing, a last thing there. I mean, sorry, who's

2430
01:53:56,520 --> 01:53:58,400
Speaker 1: better the Saints of the Panthers. Yeah, I hear you,

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01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 1: there's a juggernaut. Let that that Saints team.

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01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:02,280
Speaker 2: I love the little digs.

2433
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just here to keep everybody honest.

2434
01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 1: If we're just gonna hand the Bills to the Lombardi

2435
01:54:06,200 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 1: Trophy in September, like people try to do.

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01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,559
Speaker 3: Can we talk about the remember when tweeted that they.

2437
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:17,519
Speaker 1: Got their revenge and like we wanted the season? Ah,

2438
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 1: full circle moment.

2439
01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:19,839
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.

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01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:22,479
Speaker 2: We have one minute to talk about the offense. I

2441
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:25,920
Speaker 2: want to really quickly talk about You just want to

2442
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:30,280
Speaker 2: talk about Josh Allen True the Bill's defense. Yeah, talking

2443
01:54:30,840 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 2: to to some of the Bills fans this week, they're

2444
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:37,080
Speaker 2: way more concerned about their defense than I thought they

2445
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:39,680
Speaker 2: should be. Like, I guess this is fandom and and

2446
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:42,160
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing. Uh. They they've been playing down

2447
01:54:42,200 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 2: a couple of starters. No At Oliver, No Matt Milano,

2448
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 2: Max Harriston, their first round pick hasn't been playing. So

2449
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 2: that that's a big part of it. And we'll see

2450
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 2: on the practice reports this week if Milano and Oliver

2451
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 2: are going to play in this game on Sunday. But

2452
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 2: they're getting run on. They're they're twenty eighth in the

2453
01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 2: league and against the run they're running core have given them.

2454
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:05,200
Speaker 2: Even Rattler had some scrambles last week. So running quarterbacks

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01:55:05,240 --> 01:55:07,919
Speaker 2: have given them problem. Conventional run has given them problems.

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01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 2: They're still really good pass defense, and they have always been,

2457
01:55:11,120 --> 01:55:13,600
Speaker 2: and that's always been a tough one, but the Patriots

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01:55:13,640 --> 01:55:16,200
Speaker 2: have found ways, especially in that twenty twenty one, really

2459
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:19,000
Speaker 2: both matchups in twenty twenty one with Mac Jones, to

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01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:22,360
Speaker 2: run the football on this Bill's defense. The Bills play

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01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:24,800
Speaker 2: a four to three over front. They play the same

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01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 2: front and the same base defense that I've seen them

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01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 2: play since Sean McDermott took the job eight years ago.

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01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 2: They play the same style. The Patriots love to run

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01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:35,000
Speaker 2: it at the weak side of the defense because the

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01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:38,160
Speaker 2: overfront is tilted to the strong side. The numbers are

2467
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:40,040
Speaker 2: at the strong side of the defense. So if you

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01:55:40,120 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 2: can isolate the weak side linebacker, it's one on one

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01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 2: back side if you can get blockers, whether that's with

2470
01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:48,000
Speaker 2: the full back or pollers or whatever the case may be.

2471
01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 2: So the Patriot's got to be able to run the

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01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:51,920
Speaker 2: ball on this game. I'm going to come on your

2473
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 2: side of the street. You know this is a run

2474
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 2: the ball, Shorten the game, limit possessions for Josh Allen, like,

2475
01:55:57,800 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 2: that's the formula for the Patriots this week and game.

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01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: They're built to do it well and that usually puts

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01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,400
Speaker 1: coaching more on the spotlight. Say it's a good point

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01:56:04,440 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: on the run. I just want to bring up one

2479
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: more point. I'll ask you this, who's the coaching advantage

2480
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:11,240
Speaker 1: in this game? Shouldn't need to think about that? Yeah,

2481
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,320
Speaker 1: I think probably the Patriots probably think it's probably. I

2482
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 1: don't think it's probably. I think the Patriots have the

2483
01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 1: coaching advantage in this game. So that's something that you know,

2484
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:19,440
Speaker 1: if you can shorten a game that looms large.

2485
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:21,879
Speaker 2: All right, we got to wrap it up. Patriots Unfiltered

2486
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,000
Speaker 2: is going to be on here in four minutes at noon,

2487
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:25,680
Speaker 2: so we're still going to talk way more about the

2488
01:56:25,720 --> 01:56:28,560
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills in this matchup on Sunday. Alex and I

2489
01:56:28,640 --> 01:56:31,480
Speaker 2: will be back next week recap the Bills. It's the

2490
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:33,520
Speaker 2: Saints right after the Bills game.

2491
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 3: I know it's Saints Titans Browns.

2492
01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into that matchup as well. We'll see

2493
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 2: you guys then. Thanks for watching, right, Hey, this is Deuce.

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01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:44,760
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