WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 51 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.680 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:06.400 you know this is a compiletion episode. So every episode 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.600 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.440 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:15.960 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:17.919 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.160 there's gonna be nothing new here for you, But you 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:28.840 can make your own decisions. Oh boy, it's nine eleven, 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.559 but a day after it's you will be listening to 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:37.080 this on nine twelve, after you have um finished whatever 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.040 it is that you do on nine eleven either either 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.080 be sad or uh tell jokes or nothing at all. Um, 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.599 it's all fine. There's no wrong thing to do when 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.640 you're thinking about a day where a really fucked up 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.160 thing happened. But that's actually untrue. There is one wrong 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:55.760 thing to do, and we're going to talk about the 0:00:55.800 --> 0:01:00.920 wrong thing today because most people, I think, I think 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.280 back to the day after nine eleven as oh, everybody 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:06.479 was like out of their minds with like grief and 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.600 fear and saying some really fucked up shit and generating 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.920 a kind of fury that acted as propulsion and justification 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.920 for a lot of very very bad things. Um. And 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.720 it's not in general a time that we should look 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.160 back on with particular pride or or certainly what's the 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:30.200 word I'm looking for here? Um, nostalgia? Everyone that is, 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:34.680 except for Glenn Beck. Um. Now, James, we've got James 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.480 do out here. Chris, Hey, Chris, what do you what 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.440 do y'all know about Glenn Beck? Because James, you are 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.880 This is controversial to say, but I think we should 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:48.760 rip a vand aid off British. Um. And Chris, you're 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:52.200 very young, so I'm wondering how much do you know 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.640 about Mr? Beck? He was like the my memory of him, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.200 he was kind of like the well, I don't know, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.600 or is not quite the right word, but he was 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.480 like he was like like the guy in sort of 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.840 like right wing ship head like punditry for a while. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.760 My memory of him, he was like he was like 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.360 a slightly more put together Alex Jones, Like he had 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:18.079 like the weird pinboards and ship and like it is 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.560 this the right guy? Yeah, he's Alex Jones with a 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.960 budget in terms of kind of the space he fills. Um, James, 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.840 did you know, did you catch much of him. No, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.480 So my engagement with Glenn Beck is mostly through like 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.240 teaching American history classes and trying to explain like the 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.880 explosion in lies and bullshit and hate that immediately follows 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:45.040 nine eleven. Yeah, and so no, they've never really heard 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:48.760 his stuff. Yeah, Glenn Beck, he's he's doing radio, ship 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.480 and stuff before nine eleven. By the time he actually 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.639 comes on the scene, it's a few years after nine 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:57.440 eleven and he gets a show on Fox News. Um 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.840 and Glenn Is. You know, I watched him every night. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.240 My parents always watched him. My dad considered him to 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.400 be like a really good historian um, which is bleak 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.280 um a lot, but he was. He was He was 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.120 a unique sounding figure. So when Glenn Beck comes onto 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.680 the stage, right, the biggest dude in right wing media 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.280 is still Rush Limbaugh. But rush Is has kind of 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:23.600 taken a back seat in the last couple of years, 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:26.799 especially right after nine eleven. Two guys like um, Sean 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.000 Hannity and Bill O'Riley, you know, and those are kind 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.960 they are kind of like they are powerhouses in right 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.240 wing media. And then you've got well those guys are 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.680 on TV. You've got this cast of people who are 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:42.760 like bargain Basement Discount Rush Limbaughs on the radio that 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.360 are all kind of waiting in the wings for their 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.080 chance to be the next big TV hero. UM. And 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:51.560 those guys include people like UM, UM, like Glenn Beck, 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.520 and also folks like Michael Savage. UM. There's a couple 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.560 of a lot of maniacs that you probably have not 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.240 heard of that we don't need to dredge up. But 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:02.520 Glenn Beck kind of sales out of the fever swamps 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.200 of the right wing media UM and gets a fucking 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:09.480 TV show on Fox News, and in very short order 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:12.240 he is the biggest fucking thing on the network. Fox 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:14.720 News is the most popular network in the country, and 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.000 Glenn Beck is their number one host. In two thousand nine, 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:20.040 he's pulling in something like three million viewers a night. 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.960 And yeah, he's he's he's very very influential. UM. And 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.320 this is the point in time and two thousand nine, 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.800 by the way, the other thing that's happened that's big 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.440 in right wing media circles is Barack Obama has been 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:42.680 elected president. Now, yeah, you've got Birtherism happening, But in general, 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.039 I think one good way to think about it is 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:48.840 that nine eleven super charges the right, but in a 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.360 very like populist way in a because there's this expectation, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.479 like we talked about in the last episode, this expectation 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.320 that people are coming back to God because there's been 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.920 a big disaster, We're going to war, and war all 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.400 ways benefits you know, the conservatives in the in the 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.120 you know, the party, like we're gonna win this war 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.960 and that's gonna be huge for US. Um. And you 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.240 also have like just this this sense because Bush becomes 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.200 the most popular president anyone can remember having that the 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.240 type of history is with conservatism, you know, in the 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:18.560 immediate wake of nine eleven, and then that all goes 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.520 to ship because conservatives have terrible ideas for everything. Um 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:24.799 and they launched two disastrous wars, and by two thousand 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.600 and nine there's not a lot of people who are 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.760 gonna like admit in public, No, I think we both 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.159 those wars were good ideas that were handled well right. 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.520 Even the people who were who were real bullish about 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.919 that stuff are like, well, you know, they didn't do 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:40.840 this right or that right, or it's impossible to win 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:42.479 in that part of the world. And you know, it 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.960 was that's the I heard different versions of that from 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.040 from different family members and stuff. But there's this this 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:54.000 real sense of aggrievement and in the wake of Bush, 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.960 like it's it's kind of taken for granted because about 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:01.000 how disastrous his his presidency had been. At um he 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.400 was not. You know, it's not going to be a 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.719 Republican who won that election. Um. But the fact that 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.120 it is Barack Obama, a black guy, they lose their 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.760 goddamn minds. I think they've been ready for I think 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.000 even they would have been fine with Hillary Clinton. Obviously 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.400 they would have liked gone nuts on her like they 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.440 did on Bill, but like I think they would have, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:20.960 I don't think that would have caused them to go 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.719 crazy the way that Obama did. Um. It is it 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:28.719 is not wrong to compare the impact to nine eleven 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.440 in a lot of ways, because it's this massive shock 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:33.880 that shakes the center of their world that they view 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:37.480 as an attack, as an assault on like white middle 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:41.840 class Americans, and the shock waves of that. I mean, 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.240 we're still dealing with them. But one of the things 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.640 that's that's happening here is that after nine eleven they 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.200 had this sense that history is with us, momentum is 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.400 with us. And after Obama gets elected, you see the 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:57.680 conservative movement get much more insular and much more conspiratorial 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.480 and much more focused on like grievance and anger and 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:06.640 revenge um because they know they're nothing's going to bring 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.119 back the people. So there's there's kind of nothing but 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.640 but vengeance um. And Beck is the guy who's going 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:16.920 to tap most effectively into this feeling, this feeling of 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.440 fear and this need to feel like you're like you 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.640 were right after nine eleven when it felt like everything 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.440 was surging forward in the rights direction. And so in 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.760 two thousand nine he launches what he calls the We 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:32.120 Surround Them campaign. Now, the we in this I think 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.200 is supposed to be conservatives and them is the government. 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.920 But I think you can assume other you know, if 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.040 you think about the urban rural divide in this country, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.360 there's another meaning to that sort of thing. Um. Now, 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.080 this this is a series of segments and specials on 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:50.000 beck show that grew very popular, so popular, in fact, 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.440 that a lot of local right wing organizations start hosting 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.800 viewing parties. And this becomes like the earliest stirrings of 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:57.760 the Tea Party movement. Right all of these right wing 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:01.160 radio stations and stuff. These local talk radio stations and 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:05.679 other organizations are holding viewing parties for to watch Glenn 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.760 Beck talk about you know, his do his we surround 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.640 them act. And I'm gonna play a clip for you 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.680 now from one of these viewing parties. We're gonna play 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.040 a couple of clips. This is from one filmed by 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.760 a talk radio station in Fort Wayne, Georgia. Um and 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.920 uh yeah, it's it's it's something else, all right, So 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:25.640 I want to um, I want to play this for you. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.080 I think it's a fascinating artifact. And how the radio 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.040 host chooses to introduce the event is noteworthy, as is 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.559 the man's appearance with six hundred six freaks watching Glenn 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:42.400 Beck on Fox News for nine project it's amazing. So well, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.800 it's interesting to me. I think it's it's kind of 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.720 worth going over a couple of things there because that's 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.760 that doesn't seem like a lot. But the fact that 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.880 he he describes the guy the people in there is 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.640 sick freaks and and and then like we're sick freaks, 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:58.800 but like kind of taking pride, and that that's what 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.160 he assumes Brules would call them for watching Glenn Beck. 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.559 You can see a shade in this of a lot 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.760 of liberals because they're dumb. We're taken by surprise when 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:10.840 like Hillary Clinton called Trump supporters a basket of the plurables, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.280 and they immediately adopted that name for themselves. Now you 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:16.400 see the stirrings of it here right like this is 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.440 this is what the movements turned into. Um, you're taking 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.760 pride in the fact that you're outnumbered and and despised. 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:28.840 Also the project I'm intrigued. Oh yes, that's that is 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.400 that is coming. We're we're building to that. Um. So anyway, 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.880 we get some rock and guitar licks, just just some 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.280 some of the best preloaded writes, free guitar music I've 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.920 ever heard. And then we pan into this very full 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.720 conference room. There's like six people in this thing and 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.480 they are, as far as I can tell, all white. Um, 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:49.960 it is certain that the only people they talk to 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.240 when they do like because you know, the camera goes 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.960 around to get people's statements on the event, the only 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.480 people who are featured on camera are white, like a 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.600 hundred percent of them. And I'm gonna play a clip 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:05.720 from that now, good by, and I'm glad you're doing this. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.640 I'd like to get our constitution back. I love you, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.520 You're doing it. We're all behind you. Thank you. Land. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:16.480 We are Jackie and Bill Better. We're from Angle, Indiana 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.800 and we would like to thank you that you are 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.840 helping us, we the people, to take back our America. 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:29.000 Thanks you're the man, Glan. What you're doing is great 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:32.520 for America. You're and encouragement that all of us were 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:36.280 fed up with the federal government. Now they were like, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.880 it's impossible. I know video I have not seen since 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:46.280 I was James. James might die. Yeah, there are a 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.079 couple of extinct kinds of white guy in that video. 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.120 The very last of them died to COVID when they 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.040 cut a hole in the middle of their mask and 0:10:54.040 --> 0:11:04.160 went to a Luby's. It's missed. Now here's the thing 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.600 I want to acknowledge something that is impossible to deny, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.280 which is that the fact that we are laughing at 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.680 them in this way is part of why they got 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.240 so angry and put Trump in office right, part of 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.040 why liberal tears is a thing, part of why there's 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:20.880 so much focus on this desire of hurting the enemy. Um. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:27.440 But also they just all look like impossibly American, like 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.240 like these people I used to see in Barcelona. From 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:35.680 a hundred yards away, people would be like, how do 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:37.520 you know in American? And like my friends would be like, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:42.760 first of all, you've come dressed as a fucking tree 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.880 yourself and this book these are some of the people 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.480 who raised me. Are are not? You know, I grew 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.800 up around these people. I grew up with these people. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.160 I am. I am of these people. Um, I think 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:02.200 I wear better shirts. But but but it is like 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.839 you you see in this these people who feel like 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.440 and that's kind of the thing they're communicating. Something has 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.360 gone wrong with the country. And the thing that's gone 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.240 wrong is they are looking out and people don't look 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.959 like them, and in fact, people are looking at them 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.760 like they look weird, and people are making fun of 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.960 their ways and their customs, and this has taken them 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.800 by surprise, and they're extremely angry about it and seeing 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.199 a black man as president, which is the least anyone 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:31.360 could look like them, right, Barack Obama many flaws two 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.079 thousand nine. There was not many cooler looking dudes than 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.520 Barack who Obama like and that you have to understand, 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.040 like the bar is so low here that like a 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.920 reasonably well dressed person is like dropping a nuclear weapon 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:51.840 on like six cavemen. It is. Yeah, yeah, OK. So 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.360 the show ends with Beck because they're watching Glenn Beck 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:58.640 on a fucking projector, and it ends with him near tears. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.760 He would cry on his show, consly telling everybody there 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.840 that they were all going to meet back together in 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.600 six months to find some ways in which they've managed 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.760 to to to add some nine twelve energy to their lives. 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:11.079 And we'll get to this more. But the thing he's 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.319 saying is that the day after nine eleven, we were 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.760 the best version of ourselves as a country. Everyone was 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.080 so godly and so loving and so united. And that's 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:20.679 the thing that we need to get to deal with 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.400 the horror of Barack Obama being the president um and 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.280 obviously the other thing happening. I shouldn't. I don't want 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.400 to be unfair here. It's not just that they're scared 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.960 about Barack Obama. This is two thousand nine. The economy 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.720 has just completely shadow fucking brick. The housing market is 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.319 through the goddamn floor. Some actually scary things are happening too. 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.880 It's just that they're kind of grafting all of them 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:44.520 onto the specter that is Obama. You know. Um anyway, 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.480 Uh yeah, So after this we pan out to widespread 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.520 applause in this very full room, and then we cut 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:52.760 two interviews. This time. I know everyone's gonna be really excited. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:58.319 Here there's a baby. It's pretty cute. It's pretty it's 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.480 a pretty cute baby of the youngest Glenn Beck fans. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:08.600 Look at that child has my reaction to this, it's 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:12.600 so funny. It's so funny. Look at this. Let's get 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.240 this baby's statement. Just shine it blinded with a light 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:22.960 until it weeps. Yeah, that's the good stuff. Okay, so 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.920 this this video has paused on a freeze frame of 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.360 a guy in a suit that when they talked to 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:33.080 this guy they call him the best dress. I'll just 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.000 play it, I will I will just play I wasn't 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.160 planning to play this, but I will play it. Sorry, 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.160 the best dress. Uh, guy here, did we have a 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.160 good time today? Why did you think of the presudation? 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.600 I thought it was nice and it's nice to get 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.920 together with great turnout. I know that so many people 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:55.120 still care, know that guy. Okay, that that that exact 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:58.240 kind of person was like the political class of like 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.520 the town I grew up in, Like these are the 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.360 people who were like like this is the guy? Yeah, yeah, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.040 like the thing the things they get up to were 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.280 like like there was a guy who was taking money 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:10.520 from the sheriff's department to try to abolish the police 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:12.560 so that he could install the Sheriff's department as the 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.800 only law enforcement like division in this town. While he 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:19.200 tried to sell like, oh god, that that is a 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.720 kind of person night like he has he has some strong, 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.680 strong Republican city comptroller energy from for like a town, 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.800 for like a town of thirteen thousand people. Yeah, he's 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:34.160 dressed much like Ricky Gervais dressed in the original Office. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.400 Yeah dump piece mean he is literally the guy Ricky 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.960 Gervais is making fun of. Yes, yeah he is. So. 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.360 Beck paired his message of government accountability, as he framed 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.520 it with and this is what we're talking about the 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.680 nine twelve project, which follows. We surround them with nine 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:52.600 principles and twelve values, which, if followed, would help bring 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.440 your heart back to the mythical nine twelve. This moment 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.160 in which America was was beautiful. This this we've gone 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.320 from the fifties, like there's this, there's this twenty twenty 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.920 year Golden Era to like, we had one great day 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:06.760 and if we could just get back to that, everything 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:11.760 will be fine. Um. So here's here's the nine value 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.600 or nine principles. Sorry, it's nine principles and twelve values. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.240 I want you to hold me accountable if I fucked 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.640 this up in the future. The nine principles are Number one, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.760 America is good. Number two, I believe in God and 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.520 he is the center of my life. Number three, I 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.320 must always try to be a more honest person than 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.040 I was yesterday. Number four. The family is sacred. My 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.880 spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.400 And I say this a lot, but in the Roman Empire, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.320 the father of the family used to be able to 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.600 execute his wife and children. And you're a fool if 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.680 you think that's not what these people want things to 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.440 be like. Um. Well, and there's slaves too, that's also invariable, 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.800 and the slaves are a critical aspect of this. Yes. Uh. 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:57.600 Number five, if you break the law, you pay the penalty. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.440 Justice is blind and no one is above it. This is, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.960 by the way, confusingly a reference to all the people 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.960 who lost their homes in the house and crash. Um, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.760 that's what he's talking about. That they didn't. They didn't. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:12.680 You know, you can't like bail people out. Um. Number six, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.480 I have a right to life, liberty in the pursuit 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.040 of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.720 Number seven. I work hard for what I have and 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.800 I will share it with who I want to. Government 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.960 cannot force me to be charitable. Number eight. It is 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.760 not un American for me to disagree with authority or 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.040 to share my personal opinion. And number nine, the government 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.199 works for me. I do not answer to them. They 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.840 answer to me. Now that's fun. There's there's some interesting 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.520 things they're including. The government can't force me to be charitable, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.000 you know I will, which like the side of that. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.399 That is something that actually happened on nine twelve is 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.639 a bunch of people showed up and volunteered to, like 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.400 at great personal cost because many of them got sick 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.639 and died, to help pull bodies out of the rubble 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.400 and try to save people. Right, And that the government 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.879 literally did not need to tell people to do that 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.280 because a bunch of cops actually refused to go do 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:06.680 anything at all, And and the like the government, the 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.760 government knew about like like that the when when the 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:11.280 government did do something, it was they they put a 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.480 bunch of firefighters like inside of the range. It was 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.600 the dusk was toxic and then just fucking got them killed, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:21.439 which and then spent the next we had to have 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.400 John fucking Stewart fight for them to get some kind 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.320 of recompense from the federal government, which credit where it's 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:29.600 due is a legitimately cool thing that he helped do. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.880 But like, why did it fall upon the Daily Show 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.960 guy to share that the guy who's doing transphobic bits 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.240 at the same time. Yeah, yeah, Like it's kind of 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:44.720 didn't Ted Cruz vote against healthcare benefits for these people? Yeah? Absolutely, 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.800 Which again it's very funny that like the government can't 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:51.240 force me to to to be charitable. It's like, well, 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.080 what that actually ends with is people actually volunteering and 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.119 risking their lives and then the government, the conservatives in 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.479 the government callous lea voting to let them die in 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.760 agony because like, well, why should I have to pay? Oh, 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.520 you do was rescue people during our country's darkst hour? 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:11.120 Why should I have to pay? Like it's this, it's amazing. Shit. Um, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.040 now that I'm sure you're curious about those twelve values, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.440 they're really boring, Like it's boy, It's like boy scout ship. 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.280 It's like honesty, reverence, thrift, courage, Like it's not worth 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.280 focusing on the thing this entire time think I've been 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.680 thinking about. This is the exact naming scheme that like, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.879 like if you just walked up to someone on the 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:31.959 street and like asked it, what what what are what 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.240 are the nine principles and twelve values? Like this? This 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.040 sounds exactly like like that. This sounds exactly like what 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:43.199 like a like a a a mid level like a 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.479 mid level Chinese bureaucrat would name their campaign to like 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.960 make sure the water restoration is done properly. Like it 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:54.439 is the exact naming scheme of like like campaign style 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:59.240 stuff and like fucking like post post vours China, I 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.359 mean well ended. And Beck is Yeah, there's a lot 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:05.679 to say about that and about Glenn Beck. But um, 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.679 you know, so I got that list of twelve principles 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.600 from Glenn Beck dot com. What I find interesting is 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:14.359 that the principles as are up on his website right now, 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:16.240 because this is a thing he still gets into every 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:18.919 now and again. Are somewhat different from the ones that 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.520 he debuted on the episode of his show in which 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.280 he introduced the nine twelve Project. And I found the 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.439 way he worded point eight point eight is it's not 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.440 un American for me to disagree with authority or to 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.560 share my personal opinion. I found the way he actually 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.680 worded that in the show very interesting, And I want 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.720 to play that for you now because it's it's quite 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.439 a bit different. Do you agree with this. It's not 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.600 Unamerican for anyone to disagree with my opinion, but my 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:47.800 opinion or others opinions maybe anti American. Anti American rhetoric 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.119 would be anything that's destructive to the Constitution and our 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.400 country as the Founders understood it, unless you want to 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.160 change that. There it is, Yeah, there we go, There 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:02.879 we go. That's the real good grievance. Yeah, yeah, I respect. 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.800 You're right to say anything unless you're disrespecting the Founders, 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:10.680 of course, which which case, Yeah, like swat teams will 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.840 convince immediately, etcetera, etcetera. We were we are reading the 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.639 wrench Moobs. Now. After introducing those principles, he asks his 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.560 audience to mail him personal photographs so he can put 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.520 them together into a big we surround them graphic, which 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.920 you can find if you really want to. Um, it's yeah, 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.800 it's if you want to get an idea of like 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.640 the people who are listening to Glenn Beck, that will 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.840 give it to you. Now here's what happens. Immediately after 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:37.040 he gives the email address for people to send this 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:42.200 to calm all right, the climate change people are pulling 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:47.440 a page from nazis what are your kids learning at school? 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.600 Perfect moment in American television. Yeah, it's it's it's it's 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.199 really incredible, right, it's. It's also it's also thing like 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.919 you couldn't do this any word, not because you not 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:05.760 not not actually because you can't say that about climate change, 0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:07.600 but because if you tried to say that about the 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.960 Hitler youth people will get mad at you. Oh yeah no, yeah, 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:12.920 you'll get in trouble. Oh yeah yeah, I hate the 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.160 youth defenders will be a day with very very pro environment. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:20.000 I can hear Tucker Carlsson saying that, Yeah, it's it's 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.840 I just want to share with everyone that manned by 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.440 Number five by Bob the Builder hit the UK number 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:31.520 one spot on September twelve, two thousand and one. You 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.240 know what, you know what James never forget. And the 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.200 Queen was still alive, then she must have loved Mambo 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.080 number five. I bet there was a little bit of 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:45.240 Monica by her side, a little bit above the builder 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.520 in the queen, A little bit of Rita's all she needed, 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:54.520 um get it died very sad. So the nine twelve project, 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:56.840 as it kind of grew out of the weas around 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.159 Them campaign, if you kind of I don't know. I 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.840 found it written online. I can't exactly confirm this, but 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.400 it seems like it kind of started um when Beck 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.159 took a call on his talk radio show. And this 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:09.639 is a little bit of a couple of years earlier 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.800 from a guy named Ed in New Haven, Connecticut who 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:15.280 expressed feeling out numbered as a conservative on the American 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:19.200 political stage right. And that's that's really like what the 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.040 all of this kind of grew out of. It's this 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.840 response to the feeling like out numbered. Um. And I 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:27.560 think that's an important thing to understand if you're trying 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:30.080 to get to like the thing that the thing that 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.160 they want to go back to when they talk about 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.160 wanting to go back to nine isn't anything to do 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.720 with the actual terrorist attack. It's the fact that everyone 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:42.879 was so frightened that they unthinking Lee, uh, that they 0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.560 unthinking Lee submitted to the right wing that was in 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:47.600 power at the time, right, Like like that it was. 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.680 That's what nine twelve is to them. Yeah, like it 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:52.680 it was. It was the last time conservatives were able 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:56.119 to like effectively cancel like mask cold, like they like 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:58.920 the only time cancel sulture has ever been real was 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:01.440 like the Dixie Chicks and could just do that like 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.840 if if you if you didn't start all of your concerts, 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:06.399 like if it's like my Miley Cyrus didn't go on 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.840 stage and like say something about the troops at the 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.320 beginning of a concert, like they would just destroy you 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.520 and you would never be heard from again. Yeah, it was. 0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:20.880 It was literally, like legitimately scary to not be unthinkingly 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:24.719 pro America and like wildly so. And and that's what 0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:26.640 they want to get back to, right, is that the 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:32.080 fear of actually questioning conservative hegemony. Um So, I want 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:35.359 to play a clip from the episode in which Glenn 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.240 Beck first introduces his nine twelve project to his audience 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:42.160 of millions on March fifteen, two thousand nine. Here's how 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:51.800 Here's how this introduction goes. Hello America, they're waiting. I'm 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:54.400 backstage right now at Fox. I'm getting ready to show 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:58.199 you that you are not alone. This Uh, this is 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.720 your country. You're still in control. But it seems today 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:05.200 like nobody gets it. Now that is a fascinatingly blatant 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:09.200 statement of white conservative supremacy. Right you, you're in charge, 0:25:09.240 --> 0:25:11.880 but nobody gets it. They don't understand that you're supposed 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:16.640 to be running things right. Um, It's it's incredible how 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.040 blatant it is. But it also like you do have 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:21.679 to understand he's speaking to this real frustration. This is 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.560 like where we get Trump is these millions of people 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:25.840 are like, why don't they understand that we're supposed to 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.520 be in charge? Um, there's there's an incredibly I don't 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:31.200 know if you're going to get to this like later 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:34.720 there's the next video on the fucking YouTube thing is 0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:37.800 from Vices. Glenn Beck is a conservative and exile. After 0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:41.439 Trump chat a little bit about that at the end, 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:44.359 I'll do a whole Glenn Beck episode behind the Bastards, 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.720 But I really I want to keep digging into this 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:50.159 so I'm gonna I'm gonna press play again here. You know, 0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.480 you've lived your while life in a responsible way. You 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:55.600 didn't take out a loan that didn't require any kind 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:59.199 of per proof of income, yet now you're being forced 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.159 to bail those people out. You've been concerned about this 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.240 country through the last administration and this administration. If you're 0:26:05.280 --> 0:26:09.400 like most people both administrations, it's not about politics. You 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.560 actually believe in something, and you thought for a while 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.840 they're your politicians did as well, and now you kind 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:18.160 of realize, well, maybe maybe they don't. When you come 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:19.880 home after a hard day at work, all you want 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:21.560 to do is put your feet up. All you want 0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:23.560 to do is just relax and just watch a little 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.440 television catch up with what's happening in the world. But 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.960 every time you turn that television on, it just seems 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:33.200 like the whole world is spinning out of control. The war, 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:41.080 Islamic extremism, Europe on the bring even pirates now closer 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:44.480 to home. Mexico isn't safe for vacations or kids anymore. 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.879 Six thousand were killed or be headed on our border 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.160 just last year, and Phoenix now has the second highest 0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:55.080 rate of kidnapping in the world. So there's a lot 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:56.879 going on there. But I think the thing that is 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.480 most fascinating to me is that like the way he 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:01.960 just me is like cartel violence. It's a problem because 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.840 it's not safe for our kids to vacation in Mexico anymore. 0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:11.600 Mexico only exists for spring break. That all problems are 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.600 at their root about Americans, right, Like that's that's what's 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:16.840 going on here. Well, the other thing that's interesting to 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.600 me is like that he throws into like Europe under 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.080 siege thing, which was like like one of like the 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:26.200 big like fascist things in like that period, like word 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.639 for word, Europe under siege, like fortress Europe Ship. Yeah, 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.080 this is when Andy andy No started his like no 0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.160 ghost zone. Yeah exactly. I think so right around here, 0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:37.920 maybe a little bit late, members of my family who 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.560 are extremely Caucasian living in some of those dog zones, 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.880 like I lived in Europe in this period. It's it's 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:48.479 just so ridiculous. Yeah, and it's it's incoherent, like if 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:51.400 you look at the specifics of everything. Because he's yelling 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:53.520 about the financial crash because he has to be angry 0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:55.960 with it because half of his market is terrified and 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.639 losing money or has have lost jobs and stuff as 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.760 a result of the crash. Um, But you can't. You 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:05.960 can't portray it as a problem of like corporations rapaciously 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:09.439 destroying and hollowing out the middle class. So instead the 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.960 problem is that like foreign there's a line in there 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:14.680 about how like foreign corporations are just treating Americans like 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.880 a market, which is like, well, how do Americans treat 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:18.800 everything like? Of course they treat them like a market. 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.040 It's capitalism. Um, it's not very coherent, But like, what 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.840 is coherent is this sense of grievance, right that we 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:30.040 have been we as Americans have been specifically wronged. Um, 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.679 we're not and and we as When he says americans, 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:36.960 obviously he's only referring to a specific kind of American. Um. 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:39.160 But yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna press play again here. 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:44.200 The forgotten man is you the voice that no one 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:48.560 seems to hear, just quietly saying, enforce the law, take 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.400 responsibility for yourself. You can't have it all. And anybody 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.720 who promised you that was a liar. Cren economic downturn, 0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:59.520 worst economic crisis, worst month of job loss, Like something 0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:04.720 is happening in America. Paradigm's about to change your friends 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:08.480 and neighbors. Republicans, Democrats, Independence, They're all beginning to wake 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:14.640 up and wonder how did this happen to us? M hm. 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.880 So yeah, the words September two thousand and one just 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:21.920 hit the screen as soon as he finishes that. But 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.120 I mean, what you're seeing in that is like the 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.400 stirrings of what becomes Trump is um, you know, it's 0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:31.880 it's very m h. And there's just like photos of 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.520 white people up on the left and right. Yeah, like 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:38.320 one of the most hideous like two columns I've ever 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.760 seen in a video. It's one and a half of 0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.959 each king. Yeah, yeah, it's not done well. Their graphic 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:49.320 design was science had just simply had simply not advanced 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.080 to that level yet, like a people to understand this, 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:54.560 there are supposed to be three lines of pictures going 0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.840 across the screen. The middle cut, Yeah, the middle line 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.360 is cut in half. The was half of one person's 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:07.920 face on each side of of of the screen. And 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.880 what they're what's being done here, What Beca is doing 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.160 here is he's trying to take the anger and like that. 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.240 People still felt about nine eleven and turn it kind 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.400 of towards in a different direction, right, because what it 0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:24.240 actually happened on nine eleven was that a group of 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:28.280 terrorists had attacked the literal center of American capitalism UM 0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.360 and of the American military industrial complex. Right. Those targets 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:35.800 were picked specifically because of what they were. UM. The 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.560 Twin Towers contained one tenth of all office space in Manhattan. 0:30:39.800 --> 0:30:42.719 Their largest tenant was Morgan Stanley, which lost over eight 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:45.480 of its market value in the two thousand eight crash. 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.160 Worst yet in Beck size, the victims of the attacks 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:49.880 are all New Yorkers. Now, I don't know, if you're 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.280 not in the conservative media bubble, you may not get it, 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.800 but like New Yorkers, that was like a slur, Like 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.080 they literally like a slur to call somebody a New 0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:04.520 Yorker values exactly. So Beck can't focus on the actual 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.880 victims of nine eleven because they are people that it 0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.520 is in his best interest to train his audience to 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:14.080 to despise. So instead he focuses on how nine eleven 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:18.760 was basically an act of disrespect against the this forgotten man, right, 0:31:18.800 --> 0:31:21.080 who's now kind of surging up like that's what he's 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:23.239 doing here, right, that's what you have to do if 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.120 you're Glenn Beck, because again, you can't actually focus on 0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.920 the real victims of this, which is why it's not 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:32.320 incoherent ideologically for conservatives to talk the way they do 0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.680 about nine twelve and then vote not to help people 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.560 who were first responders and had their fucking lungs filled 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:43.720 with poison. Um. Yeah, it's good stuff. So obviously, because 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:46.640 Beck has to thread this needle, he focuses instead on 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:51.480 how the attack hit American prestige and confidence. I remember 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:55.080 how picture perfect the day was. It wasn't a cloud 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:59.480 in the sky, and America seemed invincible, and yet in 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:02.400 the blink of an eye that airplane appeared to hit 0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.400 a little bit down the building, around the fifty or 0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:09.160 six floor. Again, it's struck flush. The skies were filled 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:12.080 with black clouds, and our hearts were full of terror 0:32:12.120 --> 0:32:16.320 and fears absolute disaster. We realized for the first time 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:23.480 how fragile we really were. Then something happened. So now 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.320 in September twelve, and the first image we see after 0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.400 disaster and destruction is a group of firefighters holding a 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:33.040 gigantic American flag with roughly the footprint of a school bus. Right, 0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:35.719 And this is this is good, right, this is and 0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.320 also it's a it's interesting that this is what he 0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.040 chooses as like the image of America, like rebounding from 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.920 this great defeat, as opposed to like, I don't know, 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.800 firefighters pulling people out of the rubble and saving their lives. 0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.040 Like no, they got a big flag and say, you know, 0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:53.440 we're gonna be okay. It makes sense though, right, like 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.000 like the actual lives are unimportant. The thing that's important 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.600 to save is the image of America. It's the slag. Yeah, 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:07.400 this on the region. So yeah, well look yeah about us. 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:12.320 I'm gonna continue here. And we promised ourselves that we 0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:17.680 would never forget on September twelfth, and for a short 0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:21.480 time after that, we really promised ourselves that we would 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.880 focus on the things that were important our family, our friends, 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:29.800 the eternal principles that allowed America to become the world's 0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:33.560 beacon of freedom. I can carry you out the arrested, 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:43.680 the wire and people are not the haling down. Well 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:47.640 here all of us now. I want to point out 0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.640 here the choice of that clip. It's both because that 0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:53.840 was a very famous speech that Bush gave that really 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:56.480 made his presidency in or at least the early part 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:58.240 of it. In a lot of ways, you could argue 0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:01.720 that a significant amount of the the kind of the 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:05.960 political capital that he expended invading Iraq came from this 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.879 particular speech and generally how he handled the days after 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.640 the attacks. But it's interesting that they picked this because 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.960 it really is it's very much in line with this 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:17.399 this feeling and talking about the forgotten man, talking about 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:18.920 they're not listening to us, they don't know that we're 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.240 in trouble. What Bush is saying here is literal words 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.960 are um, I hear you, and the people who knocked 0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.520 these towers down are going to hear you. Right you. 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:31.520 Your your anger will have a reaction in the world. 0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.880 Right it will be met with fire and fury, right like? 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.960 That is that is the promise being made. And it's 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:41.200 this this undercurrent and everything Beck's doing here of the 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.520 thing that he is working with, the clay that he 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.520 is molding is the fact that these people don't feel 0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.160 listened to and like and that they deserve to be 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.640 listened to, and that the when they're angry at something, 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.680 it should be hurt, right like. That's that's the undercurrent. 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.080 He's talking about family and togetherness, but like that's what 0:34:58.160 --> 0:35:02.080 he's actually promising people. I'm really interested in this, Like, 0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:05.560 like I don't this is probably like nine twelve or 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:09.480 wheneveryone he's getting this speech. I think I always come back. 0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.000 It's weird given where conservatism has gone, right, and like 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.640 he's taken this in very much a clash of civilizations direction. 0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.000 But like Bush was giving that, like Islam is the 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.080 fabric of America speeches that week he was speaking in 0:35:23.360 --> 0:35:26.919 mosques and two Muslims and being like that, like this 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:30.520 is not a clash of civilizations. Obviously, fucking he even 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:34.640 went and fucking killed millions of Muslims, right, most of 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:37.880 them innocent symbidians who had nothing to do with nearly 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.960 all of them, right, But yeah, it's just interesting that 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.600 like he's Bush who was giving this like this isn't 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:46.760 a clash of civilizations thing, and it's become a clash 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:49.640 of civilizations thing like eight years later, Yeah, yeah, and 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:52.600 it's become but in a very different way. Right, Because 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:55.640 one of the things that I think is happening here 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.880 is the problems that Americans, regular Americans are facing in 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.239 two thousand nine, are this massive economic strife caused by 0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:06.360 predatory lending, outright fraudulent business practices by major banks, the 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.919 fact that the legal system had been changed in order 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:11.880 to allow this massive con to go on, um, and 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.240 then it had been followed by this massive chrony capitalist 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.840 bailout that ignored regular working people. Glynn doesn't want his 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:19.959 viewers to focus on all of that, right, because those 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.000 are his backers, right. But what so instead, what he's 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:27.160 doing is he's taking they feel disrespected and vulnerable because 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:31.080 they have been right now, there's unreasonable aspects to that, 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.279 but they have been disrespected by the people who are 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.000 stealing like all of the money in the country and 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.640 fucking them over too, and leaving their homes hollowed out, 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:43.000 piledicted waste lands. Um. But you can't focus on that. 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:47.960 The cure is, the cure that Beck offers them is 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.840 not materially improving anyone's conditions. It's not altering the systems 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.399 that people cannot prey upon others that way. It's by 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.959 striking someone else. It's by striking back at that sense 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:01.360 of agreevement. Right, it's by this is what's going to 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.200 turn into owning the Libs, right, just hurting the left. 0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:07.600 Conservatism now is purely about harming groups of people they 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.479 view as opposed to them. Um, that's part of why 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.239 trans people are so focused on by the right right now, 0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.799 is that it's the symbol of liberalism to them, and 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.960 they want to hurt that symbol. Right. This is this 0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:21.520 is the answer Beck is offering, and it's going to 0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:24.279 be adopted by the thought leaders of conservatism. We don't 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:26.960 need to focus on doing any Nothing can be done right, 0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.480 Nothing can be done. The grift is running out, collapses coming. 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.160 All that we can do is redirect the anger they 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:36.560 feel it being fucked by us towards hurting other people. 0:37:36.920 --> 0:37:39.960 That's that's the magic that Beck is pulling off here. 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.600 It's pretty cool. It's interesting too, I hope pretty well. 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:46.880 Like it's interesting to compare this, I think to like 0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:51.359 both Reagan and um, like Reagan and Nixon, because this 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:53.680 is very very similar to Nixon talking about like the 0:37:53.719 --> 0:37:56.960 silent majority and the stuff. But it's like those people 0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:02.840 have an actual political project, like like Reagan, Reagan is 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.400 to trying to completely annihilate the welfare state and like, 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.640 you know, dude, like they have stuff they're trying to do. 0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:12.360 But like post Bush was like, but but Bush was 0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:14.640 the time they tried to like do stuff, and it's 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:17.839 like like Bush is so hated by this point that 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.440 like like even Glenn Beck at the beginning of this 0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:22.480 is being like, well, we had concerns about the last 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:24.520 administration too, and I was like, well, yeah, because he's 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:29.160 like just by by every conceivable metric, just completely like 0:38:29.200 --> 0:38:33.399 annihilated the United States. But yeah, it's like it's it's 0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:35.200 this interesting thing that like, yeah, it's like like this 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.239 is the first time they've talked like this, But the 0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.560 level of nihilism is just like so much like the 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:44.759 politics has been emptied of content to like such a 0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.799 greater extent, and I think I think part of it 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:50.560 to also what's happening here is that like there's like 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:54.839 the like the the only thing left like for sort 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:56.920 of like the capitalist who are backing back, like the 0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.839 only thing left for them that they could possibly win 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.560 is getting rid of Social Security and they kind of 0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:04.239 like Obama gave him the chance to do it, and 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.120 they kind of like blew it. But like they don't 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.200 like this is like the ages like they they actually have, 0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.400 Like they're there's like there's there's tax racils, like there's 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.839 not actually anything for them really to do, but they 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.840 still have to sort of like maintain this constant vigilance 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.560 against anyone even remotely trying to make the world better 0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:24.040 by taking away some of their power. And I think 0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.319 that's like another angle of why all of this is 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:30.320 just sort of like this like incredibly empty nihilism, because 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.160 that's like that that's the only politics you can have 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:37.440 to defending group people who have won. Yep. Yeah, well 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.600 that's a good note to end on. Um. I hope 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:43.880 you have all enjoyed getting to meet Glenn Beck in 0:39:43.920 --> 0:40:03.280 the nine twelve project. I know I've enjoyed it. Uh, goodbye. 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:11.880 So I'm here today with Aria and an Aria. She 0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:14.879 lives at the Eden House over there in Kenya and 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.680 is the chair of the management board at trans To 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:22.560 Rescue and has over forty years of trans rights activism, 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:24.920 and they're going to explain today a little bit of 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:28.320 what trans Rescue is, what Eden Houses, and the threats 0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.480 and attacks that they've been facing in the last couple 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.520 of days here and so preps and you could explain 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.040 what Eden House is. And I think I really liked 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.520 in the website where you explain the difference between like 0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.919 a Heidie hole and a haven. So if you could 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:46.000 get into that, that that would be wonderful. Sure, um uh 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:51.040 Eden House is a uh there's a trans haven in 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:56.200 in Kenya. It's our primary mission is that we helped 0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:01.279 trans people escape from dangerous places. That implies that we 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.239 help them go somewhere, because of course they have to 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:08.120 have a safe place to go too, which means we 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:13.200 often end up renting an apartment short term or doing 0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:17.200 something like that while they get established in their new place. 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:21.799 The problem and of course that that was getting expensive 0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.360 in Kenya where we can move a lot of people 0:41:25.920 --> 0:41:29.080 because some areas of Kenya are quite dangerous, but the 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:33.120 major cities are not quite so dangerous, so we move 0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:37.239 people into the major cities. But we were trying to 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:41.760 be efficient and save money and Uh we thought about 0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:48.640 making a kind of temporary doss house or a place 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.840 with bunk beds to the ceiling and what have it. 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.160 But we realized that would still cost his money and 0:41:56.560 --> 0:41:59.839 it wouldn't be a very positive experience or affirming ex 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:04.000 variance for the folks living in it. And we realized 0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:09.080 for that we could instead do a trans haven that 0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.080 is a place where a person could come and if 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:15.200 they chose never leave live there the rest of the 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:21.239 life if they want. So when someone comes to Eden 0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:28.200 House and expect to receive help to find some income 0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:33.960 producing activity, and as time goes on, they will eventually 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.520 be expected to contribute to the running of the house. 0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.880 Our plan is we just started a month ago, but 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.120 our plan is by about the end of the year 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.960 to have the house no longer be requiring funds from us, 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:51.160 and then we can do it again. Yeah, we have 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:55.359 space freight people. When we get up to eight and 0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:58.120 it doesn't look like it's going to bleed as dry, 0:42:58.239 --> 0:43:00.759 we can do it again, and we can and in 0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:02.879 the end we end up with something that I think 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:06.160 many trans people in any country would love to have, 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:11.000 because that's uh, you know, that's something as long as 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:14.640 I've been around, there have been many discussions of building 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:18.320 such places. Yeah, it's it's a very admirable project. And 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.840 I know Gary and I just used to be Tenacious 0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.840 Unicorn Ranch I've been before, and it's really powerful to 0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.920 see like how empowering those spaces are and how they 0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:32.640 can help people. So I can see that you set 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.840 up in Kenya. Was there a reason that you picked Kenya? 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.760 It was that it was was a very large trans 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:42.200 community there or something that led you to uh frankly, 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:48.919 in in such places people often have um uh there 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:54.279 is the old queer Uh I know somebody who knows 0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:59.600 somebody a lot uh system and people have kind of 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:03.439 webs of trust. And as a result, where we get 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.520 people coming from to ask us to move them, it's 0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:12.080 very irregular. Uh. There are some countries we never hear from, 0:44:12.120 --> 0:44:14.880 and we certainly know there are queer people there. We 0:44:14.960 --> 0:44:18.120 know the conditions are bad and would you know, and 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:21.719 we'd be happy to move people, but we don't have 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:26.040 a lot of penetration. And others like Kenya, we're in 0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:29.880 the network and people are telling giving each other, are 0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:36.319 uh contact info. Um. Also we have some capabilities we 0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:40.120 had built up kind of center there, so we decided 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:44.280 to focus on Kenya. Kenya is relatively easy to get 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:47.359 into as far as visas and so on, and so 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:51.120 um it's a place we can send people when they 0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:55.719 when we might have trouble getting them into uh say 0:44:55.800 --> 0:45:01.440 Europe or the United States. Um, we can with and 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:06.000 so we're perfectly happy to end up with. Lots of 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:08.960 folks would like to make the place attractive enough that 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.640 it's also a place that we even have people coming 0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:20.480 who aren't particularly in immediate danger. We'd be We're working 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:24.520 from a philosophy of abundance that we want to grow 0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.799 and we have a rule of we don't want to 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.520 make a place that we wouldn't want to live ourselves. 0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:34.960 And honestly, Eden House is a nice place. It was 0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:40.959 the personal home of of a rather wealthy family. It's 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.799 looks nice. Sorry, would you maybe like to describe for 0:45:44.880 --> 0:45:46.960 us at your experience at the house, what it's like 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:49.839 and how places like this are important so that people 0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:53.239 can understand. Maybe if you could start with how you 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:56.000 became aware of the Eden House and that that this 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:59.160 was an option that was available to you. Okay, So 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:04.480 um I met um um. We got in touch with 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:11.120 Anne ali this uh this year, yes, Alicia around February generally, 0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:14.960 if I'm not wrong, so um we if that was 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.759 before Eden was formed. So we really had a long 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.839 discussion on us moving from where we are. Were at 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.480 the coast and things were really really brutal at the 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:26.080 coast side of Kenya, like we were going a lot 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:29.120 of stress, even lost to one of our friends, and 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:31.839 um yeah, it wasn't really good it was really bad. 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.160 So yeah, we had a discussion about moving to um 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:38.880 to Eden House and that it was a working progress. 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:44.120 So we took some time working on that. So eventually 0:46:44.200 --> 0:46:48.359 it happened and so we came to Eden House and 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.719 it's a very beautiful place. I would agree with that. Um. Yeah, 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.359 and yeah, and also flew all the way to hear 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:58.240 because we were new here and there were some things 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.640 that we needed done. And yeah, we are three of 0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:07.320 us currently in Eden House. UM. I got in touch 0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:11.480 with Anne and the rest of the team. There was 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:15.880 dooris on board. Actually she's the person who was like 0:47:15.960 --> 0:47:20.520 you know, responsible for the Malindi team. And yeah, the 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:23.800 two sisters that I have like okay, they're my sisters 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:28.400 because we've been through a lot of help together. So yeah, um, 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.839 we come all away from Malindi. Also we are here 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:38.720 together and so far. Um when we got here, UM, 0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:42.000 the place it's very beautiful, but just needed a little 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.480 you know here and their decoration and you know, clarifications 0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:49.319 and modifying and you know, precusuals were by you know 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:57.200 putting on security lights and the security wires. Yeah, still 0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:00.560 some things need to be upgraded, but you know, um, 0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:04.520 we still need to resource for a lot so that 0:48:04.600 --> 0:48:07.320 we can have something's being done by So far, so good. 0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:14.680 Everything is good. I'd interject that we're trying to foster 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:21.640 a spirit of self sufficiency and so we've been Um, 0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:25.759 we've got everybody to make the furniture. Yeah, the furniture 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:29.359 in the house has been made by the residents. And 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:33.200 we're starting some various sort of fundraising, you know, our 0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:38.279 income activities. We're we've made a chicken coop and we're 0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:44.800 in the process of getting chickens, getting chickens and and 0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:50.440 uh sewing machine. And one of our residents is a 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:54.480 talented artists. We're going to set her up to have 0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:58.920 a place to sell her artwork. Ah, that's the kind 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.520 of things we're doing. Thank you. Um all. Yeah, I'm 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:04.800 really curious, kind of on a day to day basis, 0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.120 what are the things that you and the other people 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.680 who are at the Eden House do in order to 0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:15.640 like protect yourself, like when you're going about town, when 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.480 you're doing errands. Um, is there like a degree of 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:22.440 operational security that you have to keep in mind? Yeah, Actually, 0:49:22.520 --> 0:49:26.600 we have a rule whereby we don't go anywhere without 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.080 letting each other know, especially if we're going to a 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.279 long distance UM. Putting in mind, we are very new 0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:35.960 into this area, so we don't know a lot of places. 0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.440 So currently we are just in the house trying to 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:42.919 get to understand a few things. Actually, we've been doing 0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:47.000 um um the repairing we have. We have a chicken 0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:50.640 coope at the back. It's kind of a small um 0:49:50.800 --> 0:49:53.399 as a small place whereby we needed to fix some things. 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:55.840 So we've been working on that so that we have 0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:58.400 the place ready for the chicken when they're ready to 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.560 come in and all. So for me, I've been um 0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:06.240 going around to see at least allocate some few places 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:10.760 where by, you know, we can feel safe, like the hospitals. 0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:12.920 I've been trying to get in touch with people like 0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:17.120 around here. I haven't been easy, but at least now 0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:20.000 I can say I can go to an hospital that 0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:23.680 at least it's kind of familiar with me. Um. Yeah. 0:50:23.840 --> 0:50:28.960 We also have a place where we buy what are 0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.560 these things that the house supplies and all that stuff. 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:35.279 We're really trying as much as possible to like minimize 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:39.320 our moving around from places to places to draw attention. 0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:42.560 So we're just trying to go with time and see 0:50:42.560 --> 0:50:46.359 how people will accept us existing to these community, So 0:50:46.400 --> 0:50:49.880 we don't want to bring any attentions whereby people who 0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:52.879 start asking questions like you know, what's happening there? What's 0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:56.239 not happening there? Yeah? Yeah, I noticed as well that 0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:58.520 the house is to belong to a politician. It's right. 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:00.840 So I have some measures of sort of external physical 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:05.719 security as well, Yeah, which is good. Maybe we can 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:07.760 talk about I know, you can use a big country 0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:10.160 and it differs vastly depending on where you are and 0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:15.800 who you're with. How is the climate towards trans folks? 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.400 I haven't been in Kenya for probably ten fifteen years. 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.759 How is the climate towards trans people? Have things? Have 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.680 it become like a big topic like a culture war 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:30.760 thing recently or is it sort of can you explain? 0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:32.560 But I guess what it's like. You're saying. It seems 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:35.080 like it can be really just to go outside, which 0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:38.759 is pretty sad. Yeah, yeah, it is. That is to 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:42.440 go outside, you know, um here and Kenya um in 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:45.000 different sides of kind of like at the coast, okay, 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:48.279 taking example at the coast side from where I come from. 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.160 It's um it's really bad for the trans community because 0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:55.120 now they're they're very transphobic and homophobic people that like 0:51:55.200 --> 0:51:57.560 most of the transphobic and homophobic people come at the 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:02.960 coast side. Because these are people that tend to keep 0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:07.359 their culture and religious like you know, more of more 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:10.200 of a key thing in in someone's life, more of 0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:13.400 like they use, They use the Quran and the Bible 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:16.719 to Prinsius to crititize the trans people and the gay community. 0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:20.600 So being in that area it's very very bad and 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:24.480 very very risky for trans community. Comparing to the other 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:30.279 side of Kenya, I wouldn't say it's not risky, but um, 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.640 their level of understanding of the trans community and the 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:37.600 gay community, it's um, it's more of an it's more 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:41.280 of an away that they're kind of confused, not sure 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:44.920 where to understand. But it depends with also the air 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:48.160 that you are you might find you end up. For example, 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:51.480 now we're eating house is like for the few for 0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:55.200 the man that we've been here. The feedback that I 0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:57.719 can say I have from the community around here is 0:52:57.760 --> 0:53:02.279 there like more of people that are come and more 0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:06.400 of people who are you are more of used to 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.359 their own personal things. They don't like, you know, put 0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:11.799 their nose into the to the things that they're not 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:15.160 involved with, if you get what I mean. Um, in 0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:19.319 other towns having new people, people who like you want 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.160 to know why they're there and don't you know all 0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.600 that stuff. But in this town that we have, we 0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:26.799 are in eating house. It's it's kind of safe in 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:30.480 a way that people are not putting their nose in 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.399 into us, like more of wanting to know about us 0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:38.360 rather than they're welcoming us. Moreover, you know, the landlord 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:41.840 is kind of friendly. I would say that, Um, the 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.080 cubander cubander, it's more of a small grocery shops. So 0:53:45.160 --> 0:53:48.000 the cubanders around here, the small grocers the show are 0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.560 the people who are selling the you know, the groceries 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:55.760 and other stuff. They're friendly. I haven't, Um, I haven't 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:59.840 in carred or you know, engaged or seeing any trans 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:03.959 abic or homophobic reaction towards demand that I've been here. 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:06.920 Most of the people here are much of welcoming. Like 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.920 I would say that. End up. Yeah, it's really different 0:54:09.960 --> 0:54:12.600 from where I come from. Trust me, from the town 0:54:12.600 --> 0:54:15.759 that I come from, you can't walk with makeup or 0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:19.000 with anything that makes you look galish or anything that 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.759 makes you look resemble to the transgender or maybe gay 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:23.759 or something. It will be a bad thing for you 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:27.480 in the day. Yeah, a little bit of the geography 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:33.440 of Kenya. Remember that U on Kenus coast up in 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:39.520 the north uh is the border with Somalia and um, 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:44.719 so the culture naturally mixes over the border. And um 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:48.080 this is also an area where lots of folks are 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:52.920 coming over because of the political instability and Somalia, and 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:59.680 it's an area of al shabab uh terrorist activity. So 0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:04.080 so makes particularly the north part of the coast rather 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:08.200 dangerous plighte Yeah, just if people are interested, I know, 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:10.239 like the State Department sort of has it do not 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:15.200 travel like north of Lama pretty much, so like people 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:17.080 can sit on the map, but yeah, there are certain 0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:21.920 areas where risk would be higher. And fortunately talking of that, 0:55:22.160 --> 0:55:26.440 like it it hasn't. There have been some attacks, right 0:55:26.560 --> 0:55:30.760 threats against Eden House in the last couple of days. 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:35.040 So if either of you would like to explain exactly 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.000 what happened as far as you're comfortable, I think that 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:41.799 would be great. Yeah, let me explain, because I think 0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:46.080 I'm the right person to explain that. So, um there, there, 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:50.200 there there, Okay, this happened when Amazon around here. Actually 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:53.400 we had an attack and now one of the windows. 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:58.319 People people breaked into their house, not inside the house, 0:55:58.360 --> 0:56:02.520 but instide the compound and they tried getting in the house. 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:07.880 But yeah, thank god the place has secured doors and windows. 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:12.360 But they took off one of the glass from the 0:56:12.440 --> 0:56:17.000 window and they tried to like they had a stick 0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:22.560 that was was was holding um, yeah, a magnet on 0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:25.320 the end. So they were trying to use the stick 0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:27.759 with the magnet to pull out the keys so that 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:32.040 they can have and clear entrance into the house. But 0:56:32.320 --> 0:56:34.880 thank god, we had removed the keys to where we 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:37.279 used we normally used to put and kept it to 0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:39.799 somewhere else. So the kids that we are aware they 0:56:39.840 --> 0:56:42.399 were targeting, they were only the keys to the meter 0:56:42.560 --> 0:56:46.959 box and the fridge, so they took those and yeah, 0:56:47.080 --> 0:56:50.359 I presume they later realized that they wouldn't go through 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.799 with those because we're not the right kids. So the 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:54.800 next thing we wake up in the morning, the magnet 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.640 was down on the floor and we noticed that the 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:01.480 window had the piece of last missing. So that was 0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:05.879 the first incident that happened. So we reported that to um, 0:57:07.160 --> 0:57:13.240 to the to the landlord, and previous day before that happened. 0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:18.080 Those neighborhood came by and they said that someone tried 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:21.200 to break into their apartment and they are kind of 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.960 curious because they never knew if people moved into this 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:26.080 house or they just wanted to check in what was 0:57:26.120 --> 0:57:29.080 going on, and that we can we kind of get 0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.760 into like you know, know each other, and that they 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:33.520 kind of gave us a warning and that's why we 0:57:33.560 --> 0:57:36.080 removed the kids. And the day when they came, they 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.680 couldn't get in. So yeah, after I left, Now this 0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:43.040 is a recent incident. That then then the next night 0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:46.800 they came back and found a couple of broken whendows 0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:49.600 in the morning, like they tried to price some windows 0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:53.640 out and ended up breaking glass and gave up. But 0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:57.640 but yeah, that's so. At the time, I think we 0:57:57.760 --> 0:58:02.760 all the start of this as ordinary, you know, theft activity, 0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:11.720 but it's pretty unclear. But this maybe more targeted attack. Yeah, 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:15.120 and perhaps it's silly of me to even ask this, 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:17.680 but could you speak of it on what kind of 0:58:17.680 --> 0:58:22.800 help you can expect from law enforcement? If any um, 0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:25.840 I would say, if any I would say, like you 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:29.960 see the place where we are staying, from the law enforcement, 0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.240 I would expect that they put some like you know, 0:58:32.760 --> 0:58:35.840 the they have a name that they put that that 0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:38.880 that the lights that normally the government's supposed to supply, 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.200 like you know, the what what do they call that 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:45.720 these lights that they normally have to support from the MS. Yes, 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:48.760 street lights. So the place that you're staying, there's no 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:52.840 street lights. So if if if, if if a police 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:56.800 was to ask me or you know, any security measures 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:59.240 that were to be put, like, I would say that 0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:01.600 they put the street lights. Those would help at least 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:04.640 there will be more lights for like you know, that 0:59:04.680 --> 0:59:07.480 should scare people away, even if those people are thieves 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.560 or anything. You see. So, yeah, that was that's what 0:59:10.600 --> 0:59:16.120 I would say. Okay, yeah, and I know two people 0:59:16.240 --> 0:59:22.240 were hurt in the most recent sort of active question right, yes, yes, 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:27.200 this was the day before yesterday. Okay, are they doing okay, yeah, 0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:32.200 they're fine actually, and one of them I helped myself, yes, 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.240 and one of them I have my arm injured but 0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:37.440 not really deep. The other one is asleep. She had 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:40.880 a really bad injured back stabbed and you know at 0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:44.880 the arm also catched. Yeah eight teachers at the back 0:59:45.040 --> 0:59:50.560 really bad. Yeah, sorry, yeah, that's not good at all. Okay, 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:55.160 So that that's not great, have you since the attack 0:59:56.080 --> 1:00:00.320 is like an ongoing aggression against you and it's seems 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:04.800 like someone's targeting the inn house, right, Um, if you 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.840 ask me, I would say it's more of targeting the 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:14.160 eating house, because, um, I don't understand why we would 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:17.880 only be the only person, like the only people experiencing 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:21.400 the same the same incident over and over like the 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:25.440 next the next houses. They don't complain in such incidents 1:00:25.480 --> 1:00:29.200 like you know, like this guy literally if um, I'm 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:31.680 just picturing the fact that we had to go out 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:34.280 and you know, turn on the machine and we saw 1:00:34.320 --> 1:00:36.320 this guy and he just bumped into us with a 1:00:36.360 --> 1:00:39.000 knife and catching us home. So I'm just picturing if 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:42.760 this guy was waiting for like I'm just seeing it, 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:45.360 if he was waiting for more people to come so 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:48.080 that they can attack coming inside the house. Why was 1:00:48.160 --> 1:00:50.720 even standing there in the first place? Because we found 1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:52.880 him there and he was like he came through me 1:00:52.960 --> 1:00:54.680 because I was the one who was in the front. 1:00:55.120 --> 1:00:57.480 So I just keep asking myself, like why was he 1:00:57.560 --> 1:01:02.000 standing there? What was he waiting for? Yeah? Yeah, And 1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:04.640 I point out that to get there, to get there, 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:10.800 he had to climb a high stone wall topped with 1:01:11.720 --> 1:01:22.000 razor wire and get into position without triggering the motion detectors. Yeah, 1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:26.480 which is you know, not impossible to do, but it it was, 1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:31.800 but they keep coming back. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm sure 1:01:31.840 --> 1:01:34.120 people listening will be upset by this. Is there a 1:01:34.240 --> 1:01:37.600 way that people can like express the solidarity or support 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:41.600 you financially? Yes, we need funds to keep running the house. 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:45.640 And in fact, the guy escaped through a hole that 1:01:45.840 --> 1:01:49.000 was left only because we ran out of razor wire. 1:01:49.440 --> 1:01:53.400 We need funds to keep the project going. We need 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:59.480 funds to also to support our primary work. We're continuing 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:03.320 to get people out of places like Saudi Arabia. We 1:02:03.400 --> 1:02:06.760 have people, we have people who are kind of who 1:02:06.800 --> 1:02:10.240 are in mid travel right now, and we have other 1:02:10.320 --> 1:02:14.760 people in the high de holes in dangerous countries, and 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:16.960 we want to move all those people, and we'd like 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:21.560 to start right now. We're not even taking new folks 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:25.520 on because we just have such a backlog. I'd very 1:02:25.600 --> 1:02:29.560 much like to fix that situation. Um, So, for all 1:02:29.600 --> 1:02:34.360 these reasons you know, we're doing. We're happy with what 1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:38.080 we're doing, but but we do need funds at the moment. 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:41.520 Let's get into that a little bit. You know the 1:02:41.640 --> 1:02:46.440 we here is trans Rescue, right, yeah, yes, Trans Rescue 1:02:46.760 --> 1:02:50.320 is a nonprofit and you're based in Europe and you 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:54.800 move trans people out of dangerous situations. That's correct. We're 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:59.720 based in Um. We're based in the Netherlands. We're a 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:06.000 A sticking, which is the U in the US that 1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:08.280 would be a five oh one C three. We're an 1:03:08.280 --> 1:03:12.920 A n B I qualified sticking, which basically is a 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:16.040 five O one C three. Okay, And you were telling 1:03:16.120 --> 1:03:17.640 us before we started the cool that you think it 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:23.000 costs you about euros to move each person? Is that right? Yeah, 1:03:23.040 --> 1:03:27.400 that's the average. Um. The average is probably slightly going 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:31.520 down because of course, to move somebody into eden House 1:03:31.680 --> 1:03:36.280 from the coast might be as cheap as uh eighty 1:03:36.320 --> 1:03:38.600 bucks to send them a ticket and then a few 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:44.000 hundred dollars of settling them in eden House. On the 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:50.560 other hand, getting people out of Sawdy oftentimes means not 1:03:50.720 --> 1:03:54.360 only flying of them, but sometimes flying our own personnel 1:03:55.160 --> 1:04:01.880 in and out on UM often kind of crazy roots. 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:05.800 So a person might find themselves a long way from 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:10.320 either Saudi or where they're finally going to end up, 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:14.880 and as a result, and then so yeah, we end 1:04:14.960 --> 1:04:18.160 up having to spend a lot on plane tickets and 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:26.240 then we also sometimes this takes months, we play paperwork games. Um, 1:04:26.360 --> 1:04:32.800 we are not people smugglers, but but we certainly are 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:37.200 helping people get to a country where they can actually 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:42.240 claim asylum for the most part, which means, um, you 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:46.720 know and successfully claim this aylum. And that often means 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:52.160 manipulating edge cases in the international travel system. Yeah, yeah, 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:53.560 that makes it of sense. I can see whether it 1:04:53.600 --> 1:04:56.440 would be expensive and complicated. Yes, So it's great that 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.400 people can do an h that is there anything like 1:04:59.440 --> 1:05:01.919 I noticed you asking before for some mutual aid help 1:05:02.000 --> 1:05:04.400 with your PR? Is that something you still need? Look 1:05:04.400 --> 1:05:06.200 at the things people can do, maybe they don't have 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:10.040 the means today. We were a small organization, we're not 1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:13.520 very large, and we actually are just cranking up our 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:17.520 PR operation. Um. We could use a press list, we 1:05:17.560 --> 1:05:25.080 could use We could also use amplification from organizations with 1:05:25.280 --> 1:05:30.640 more kind of online cloud. We're basically a little group 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:33.760 of people and for two years we operated as an 1:05:33.760 --> 1:05:39.000 informal group of activists. We realized that was probably not 1:05:39.240 --> 1:05:44.040 ideal for this very serious work we're doing, and so 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:49.600 last December we reorganized as a proper sticting, but yeah, 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:53.120 help with boosting our signal at the moment would be 1:05:53.360 --> 1:05:59.080 very useful. Anyone who can, you know, can spread the 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.000 word of what's happened and now, so we would be 1:06:02.200 --> 1:06:06.600 very much appreciative. Yeah, well we can definitely do that. 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:10.000 Hopefully every facts come to It's just so people can 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:14.280 find you. It's Trands Underscore Rescue on Twitter, It's trans 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:18.960 Underscore Rescue on twitsure, it's Trands Rescued or dot org 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:23.160 on the web. I will share that fundraising link when 1:06:23.280 --> 1:06:27.120 when this comes out. Are how have things been for 1:06:27.280 --> 1:06:29.760 you the last couple of days, Like I must be 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:35.480 pretty rough, I imagine, not not feeling safe at the house. Yeah. Actually, 1:06:35.560 --> 1:06:39.520 actually the advice that we got from the landlord and 1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:43.240 the neighbor. There's a neighbor here, a lady. She came 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:45.040 by and I have a NUMBI called her the day 1:06:45.080 --> 1:06:46.840 we had an incident and she came in the morning 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:49.520 when he had a tough So she suggested that we 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:53.520 shouldn't be going out late night and by time we 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:56.880 make sure that all the doors are locked and yes, 1:06:57.000 --> 1:06:59.680 and stay safe inside in case of anything. She asked 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:02.640 me to kla and also the landlord asked me if 1:07:02.680 --> 1:07:05.440 in case of anything, if I hear any movement or 1:07:05.440 --> 1:07:09.320 any suspicious thing happening outside the gates, I just give 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:11.960 them a call. It's good. It's good to people are 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:14.040 sticking up here in your commune. It's really good to 1:07:14.080 --> 1:07:19.080 hear really good. Yeah. Yeah, we appreciate that, and on 1:07:19.120 --> 1:07:22.160 their behalf, what y'all are doing is very important, and 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:26.080 we're you know, sorry that you're encountering this kind of resistance, 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:28.320 but we hope we can help at least get the 1:07:28.440 --> 1:07:31.520 message out about what you were doing it. I'm much 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:35.880 appreciate it. Thank you, It's much appreciated. UM. I regret 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:39.520 that we spent most of the time on security. I'm 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:44.960 more I'm excited about, uh, many of the positive things 1:07:45.000 --> 1:07:47.560 we're doing. We're you know, we're trying to set up 1:07:48.480 --> 1:07:52.080 h a place where trans people can live their lives 1:07:52.160 --> 1:08:01.720 and thrive and and have you know, normal lives. Uh yeah, 1:08:01.840 --> 1:08:05.439 let's talk about that. Let's talk about like, how many 1:08:05.480 --> 1:08:07.560 people do you have at the eating house right now? 1:08:07.600 --> 1:08:11.000 If you're comfortable sharing that. Sure, we just opened, so 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:14.000 we've got three people, We've got one more person who 1:08:14.800 --> 1:08:19.720 UM went back to settle kind of settle his affairs 1:08:20.000 --> 1:08:26.800 and we'll be moving in UM. And we have UM 1:08:26.880 --> 1:08:31.720 and we've got space for eight at the moment um. 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:34.240 We've had a couple of other people on choir but 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:38.040 but haven't like, aren't there yet. We're kind of excited 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:42.280 by the space we've got because there's actually room around 1:08:42.400 --> 1:08:48.439 us to grow, So we're expecting to get to get bigger. Um. Yeah, 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:51.120 I hope you do. And how many peoples trying to 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:54.040 rescue you been able to help, like as an organization 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:58.759 overrule one way or the other, We've we've moved about 1:08:58.800 --> 1:09:04.120 two dozen people. Of that, roughly a half have been 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:08.120 the serious kind of get people out of Saudi Arabia 1:09:08.240 --> 1:09:12.920 type moves. The others have been folks that we helped 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:16.080 in sort of less dramatic ways. Okay, yeah, that's a 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:18.800 it's a very meaningful contribution to a lot of people's lives. 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:24.680 That is great. Yeah, I get you know, it's great. Uh, 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:28.320 at least one person lives locally, and it's great to 1:09:28.439 --> 1:09:32.680 kind of occasionally have him over for dinner or you know, 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:36.599 and know that we got him out. Yeah, that must 1:09:36.600 --> 1:09:39.040 be really nice. And I think, yeah, it's important not 1:09:39.080 --> 1:09:45.000 to just center like hatred but also about success. Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, 1:09:45.080 --> 1:09:47.280 I love that and it's cool that, like you have 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:50.080 plans to grow. I've seen that you have agricultural areas around, 1:09:50.080 --> 1:09:52.799 so you're thinking of like growing some food around the house. 1:09:53.240 --> 1:09:56.040 And actually we have brought some poles. We have some 1:09:56.600 --> 1:10:04.639 vegetables like spinach, cabbage, to me, atoes, green paper. Yes, 1:10:06.280 --> 1:10:12.400 did they did? The gardens survived the flood? Uh? We 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:15.080 Actually I was about to tell you that. Actually when 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:18.599 the water was coming in the old all the spinach 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:21.160 went and lied down, and we were kind of worried. 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:24.759 But when it stopped, when the water stopped flowing down, 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:28.080 the sun came out, they kind of started going straight. 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:31.960 So I was much worried about that. But it's kind 1:10:31.960 --> 1:10:34.960 of freaking out because they all went down and were 1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:38.800 like they're dead. We have a drainage problem in front 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:42.880 of the house and the recently there was a crrential 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:49.680 rain is hard to kill things. I did not know 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:54.800 about Kenya. It hails there. I did not expect. I 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:58.240 did not like sort of imagine hail, but but it 1:10:58.360 --> 1:11:03.160 hailed several times while is there and everybody was cold 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:08.320 while I was walking around. The T shirt Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:09.800 I can you add some of our best weather and 1:11:09.880 --> 1:11:12.840 can you for sure? Yeah? And looking at these pictures, 1:11:12.840 --> 1:11:14.599 it's great to see you guys are making your own 1:11:14.600 --> 1:11:18.200 furniture and doing all these things and really enjoying your 1:11:18.200 --> 1:11:20.880 time there as well as obviously we don't want to 1:11:20.920 --> 1:11:23.280 just focus on the threat. So hopefully you can go 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:27.679 back to that. Hopefully people can support you. Area's onywhere 1:11:27.760 --> 1:11:30.800 online people can find you. Do you have a Instagram 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:32.880 or Twitter or anything like that? Yeah? I do have 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:36.120 a treat to account. My tutor handle is at rams 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:39.760 hyphen area. How do you can you spell that out 1:11:39.760 --> 1:11:47.920 for us? At MS? Okay then hyphen lower, hyphen underscore, Yeah, yeah, 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:54.400 underscore then are I guess? Okay? Great? Yeah? And it's 1:11:54.640 --> 1:11:57.280 for for yourself and is it if it just trans 1:11:57.320 --> 1:11:59.400 Rescue it's our personal one and thing else you'd like 1:11:59.439 --> 1:12:03.439 to my mail if someone wants to contact me, is 1:12:03.600 --> 1:12:10.240 Annie A N N I E at trans Rescue dot org. Okay, yeah, 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:13.960 hopefully And um we have a contact form on the 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:20.360 website as well if people are interested in talking with us. 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Al Right, Okay, goodbye everyone, thank you 1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:17.479 by thank you, Hey, welcome to it could happen here. 1:14:17.479 --> 1:14:20.200 This is Robert Evans, and this is a podcast about 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:24.000 things calling apart. UH. And today we definitely have a 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:26.880 thing's well, I don't know, hopefully not falling apart, but 1:14:26.960 --> 1:14:30.720 certainly getting fucked up episode for you. UM, this is 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:33.559 going to be better part of the world that probably 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:37.040 fairly few Americans spend much time thinking about. UM. It's 1:14:37.040 --> 1:14:39.439 certainly a conflict that's kind of been lost in everything 1:14:39.479 --> 1:14:44.080 that's happening in Ukraine right now. UM. But Armenia and Azerbaijan, 1:14:44.200 --> 1:14:47.680 their neighbor have been at a state of more or 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:53.000 less regular war since UM since longer than that. But 1:14:53.080 --> 1:14:57.240 this kind of latest wave of it started in UM. 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:00.759 It was over a breakaway real while what's often referred 1:15:00.760 --> 1:15:04.360 to as a breakaway region that both countries claimed and 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:06.719 that stayed kind of independent for a very long time 1:15:07.720 --> 1:15:11.479 until invasion by the Azeris in this area which is 1:15:11.880 --> 1:15:15.120 majority Armenian UM. And it was kind of a military 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:18.400 disaster for the Armenian side. The war went very badly, 1:15:18.439 --> 1:15:20.759 a lot of troops were killed, a lot of territory 1:15:20.880 --> 1:15:24.320 was taken, and ever since the Azeri military has been 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:27.519 carrying out border strikes in and around areas that are 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:32.320 kind of near their shared border with Armenia. UM. Over 1:15:32.360 --> 1:15:34.920 the last ten hours, as I record this, and and 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:39.200 I'm talking to you all on Monday UHT of September, 1:15:39.320 --> 1:15:43.599 over the last about ten hours, UM, the Azeri military 1:15:43.640 --> 1:15:48.479 has launched a fairly unprecedented set of strikes within Armenian territory. UM. 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:50.760 So not just kind of hitting border areas, and not 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:54.679 just hitting military targets, but hitting cities, hitting civilian areas, 1:15:54.720 --> 1:15:57.879 trying to move troops across the border. There's video evidence 1:15:58.280 --> 1:16:01.479 of this. UM. To talk about what's happening, what's been 1:16:01.560 --> 1:16:03.360 happening in the past, over the last couple of years, 1:16:03.400 --> 1:16:06.240 and what's happening now, UM, I'd like to welcome on 1:16:06.320 --> 1:16:09.679 Joe Kasabian. Joe you will know from his podcast Lions 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:13.240 Led by Donkeys, from his book The Hooligans of Kandahar, 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:15.320 and a number of other books that I think we'll 1:16:15.360 --> 1:16:17.439 talk about a little bit at the end here from 1:16:17.439 --> 1:16:20.360 his appearances on the Behind the Bastard. Joe, you are 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:23.960 an American citizen, but you're also Armenian and you're currently 1:16:23.960 --> 1:16:27.160 in our media. Yeah, UM, I moved here a couple 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:31.479 of months ago permanently, UM citizenship is we kind of 1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:34.120 have like our own repatriation laws. But I'm still waiting 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:38.280 on that. UM. And so to to go off a 1:16:38.320 --> 1:16:40.160 couple of things that you said, we've been at a 1:16:40.200 --> 1:16:42.719 state of war effectively since the nineties when we first 1:16:42.720 --> 1:16:46.599 gained independence from the Soviet Union. UM. Without going into 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:52.080 the incredibly complicated history of Nagano Karaba or Artsach Um 1:16:52.280 --> 1:16:54.840 art so still exists. They did not take all of 1:16:54.880 --> 1:16:59.320 it in UM. But Tony Tony was a military disaster 1:16:59.360 --> 1:17:05.720 for Armenia unequivalably. So we lost over four thousand people. UM, 1:17:06.160 --> 1:17:10.640 huge swaths of territory where UH their population became the 1:17:10.720 --> 1:17:14.400 victims of a regional genocide. UM. There are no Armenians 1:17:15.040 --> 1:17:18.479 that have been confirmed to still be alive within that territory. UM. 1:17:18.560 --> 1:17:22.519 There's endless videos of a ZI troops beheading old men 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:29.160 and women and and destroying homes and cemeteries and churches. UM. 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:32.840 And ever since UH the war ended in a month 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.840 has not gone by where UM either art Saw or 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:39.760 Armenia itself has not been attacked. We've probably lost over 1:17:40.680 --> 1:17:45.400 a hundred soldiers since then. UM. These are kids, their conscripts. 1:17:45.400 --> 1:17:48.920 We have UM military mandatory service here. UM, so these 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:51.679 are eighteen nineteen year old kids doing their two years 1:17:51.720 --> 1:17:53.759 of service. On top of the civilians that are currently 1:17:53.760 --> 1:17:56.599 being bombed. We we don't know how many people are 1:17:56.600 --> 1:18:04.640 dead at the moment um. And it's UM, it's truly aggravating. 1:18:04.840 --> 1:18:08.200 I mean, Armenians live with this all the time. It's 1:18:08.240 --> 1:18:10.080 a sort of hanging over our heads. When this is 1:18:10.120 --> 1:18:16.519 going to happen. Um happened with unpress attended international support 1:18:16.840 --> 1:18:21.840 and not only support, but willing willingly ignoring it. Um. 1:18:21.880 --> 1:18:25.240 I mean NATO powers helped as er by Jean Doulas, UM, 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:31.519 Turkey and Israel Israel, Israeli drone designers literally test flew 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:36.240 as suicide drone into Armenian soldiers to sell it. Um. 1:18:36.280 --> 1:18:42.120 I mean, it's it's it's honestly kind of I don't 1:18:42.120 --> 1:18:44.320 know what what to say about it other than that's 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:49.880 it should be another thing that the world should be 1:18:50.000 --> 1:18:54.000 united against and they never will. No. I mean, it's 1:18:55.600 --> 1:18:57.719 it's so frustrating. One of the things that I have 1:18:57.880 --> 1:19:00.360 had a lot of issue with because obviously I, as 1:19:00.400 --> 1:19:04.639 you are, I'm supportive of Ukrainian people's attempts to so 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:09.000 far quite successful attempts to stop Russia from taking over 1:19:09.760 --> 1:19:12.599 their homes. Um. But one of the things that's happened 1:19:12.600 --> 1:19:15.360 alongside this is a kind of lionization of a specific 1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:19.800 kind of Turkish drone, the bractar Um, which was particularly 1:19:19.840 --> 1:19:23.920 effective in the opening stages of the war, and military 1:19:24.320 --> 1:19:27.280 technology military equipment. Walks can argue as to whether that 1:19:27.400 --> 1:19:30.439 was due to Russian kind of tactical failures and operational failures, 1:19:30.520 --> 1:19:33.439 or whether it was due to new realities about how 1:19:33.520 --> 1:19:35.879 drones function. But one of the things that was ignored 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:38.320 in all of this kind of fetishization of this drone 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:40.080 and people raising money to buy more of them, is 1:19:40.120 --> 1:19:43.840 that the drones were really combat tested for the first time, 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:49.400 massacring Armenians. UM. Yeah, and it's I try not to 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:53.400 get too mad when I see stuff like that, because 1:19:53.439 --> 1:19:56.920 I understand whether Ukrainians are happy, of course, and like, yeah, 1:19:56.960 --> 1:20:00.600 I should point out unequivalently I support Ukraine's fight for independence, 1:20:00.720 --> 1:20:04.880 just like I wish people um supported ours UM and 1:20:04.880 --> 1:20:08.360 and the war. The wars effectively have the same kind 1:20:08.400 --> 1:20:13.000 of propaganda angle. Um. Obviously, before Russia invaded Ukraine, they're 1:20:13.000 --> 1:20:16.920 talking about you know, Denozi vacation or demilitarization. When when 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:19.280 you look at their speeches and the rhetoric, it's that 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:21.240 they believe that Ukraine does not have the right to 1:20:21.320 --> 1:20:26.519 exist and that Ukrainians are either are Russian or they 1:20:26.680 --> 1:20:30.840 also should not exist. And that's effectively what we're looking at. Two. UM, 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:33.599 this is why Armenians constantly compare what is happening now 1:20:33.720 --> 1:20:40.120 to nine um. Ashba Jean continuously says they want art 1:20:40.120 --> 1:20:43.080 Sah or the Nogana Karabak, they they want it back. 1:20:43.120 --> 1:20:46.040 But that's not what they're attacking right now. UM. If 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:49.200 you look at the rhetoric of Aliev and his government 1:20:49.280 --> 1:20:52.040 going all the way back to the nineties when his 1:20:52.120 --> 1:20:55.440 dad was in charge and a few other people. Um, 1:20:55.840 --> 1:20:59.160 their ideology is that Armenia is not a real state. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:02.599 They have claims over our capital Yerevan. They have they 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:05.320 have claims over the south where they're invading right now, 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:10.719 and everywhere those soldiers go they wipe out the local 1:21:10.760 --> 1:21:15.520 population of Armenians. There are no Armenian survivors and Hadrud 1:21:15.600 --> 1:21:17.439 or Shushi or any of these other places they took 1:21:17.439 --> 1:21:21.479 in there, they do not exist. And ever since then, 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:25.439 they've been purposely going through and destroying any evidence that 1:21:25.560 --> 1:21:29.000 Armenians ever lived there, which is ridiculous. Armenians have been 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:33.920 living in these places since before Rome was fucking established. Yeah, um, 1:21:34.479 --> 1:21:36.640 I mean, and this is obviously we're talking about the 1:21:36.720 --> 1:21:41.799 Armenian genocide, which occurred during kind of the in concurrent 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:45.600 to the kind of late stages of World War One. UM, 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:50.559 and uh was unrecognized by the United States until what 1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:53.160 was that now, two years ago Joe yeah something finally 1:21:53.240 --> 1:21:56.880 became the first president, first US president, to recognize it. 1:21:57.240 --> 1:21:59.720 And and this is because we We've mentioned Turkey a 1:21:59.720 --> 1:22:02.040 couple of times. There's a couple of reasons for this, 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:04.519 but most of them boiled down to not wanting to 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:08.200 piss up, piss off the Turkish government. Um. The Turkish 1:22:08.240 --> 1:22:14.080 government has strong attitudes that essentially everybody in Anatolia is 1:22:14.120 --> 1:22:17.200 Turkish and all. Yes, there were no Greeks, there were 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:19.640 no Kurds, there were no Army, and this has led to, 1:22:19.720 --> 1:22:22.479 I mean, it's led to ethnic cleansings and genocides against 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:25.040 the Armenians and against the Kurds. One of the things 1:22:25.080 --> 1:22:28.080 that was being done in ro Java, UM that I 1:22:28.080 --> 1:22:30.960 found so compelling was was an attempt to educate, an 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:34.320 attempt to buy the Kurds there to educate people who 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:38.280 were joining the YPG about Kurdish complicity in the genocide 1:22:38.320 --> 1:22:41.880 against Armenia because they recognize themselves as victims of the 1:22:41.960 --> 1:22:45.280 same thing. You know, starting I think you know all 1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:47.160 of the it's hard to say starting in right, because 1:22:47.200 --> 1:22:50.120 we're trying to talk about concurrent conference. They all go back. 1:22:50.160 --> 1:22:53.479 Everything's going back quite a while. You mentioned Ali of 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:55.200 a little bit ago, and I don't want to talk 1:22:55.240 --> 1:22:57.599 about him. Um, we're talking about il Ham Aliev, who's 1:22:57.640 --> 1:23:00.960 the current president of Azerbaijan, the worth uh and of 1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:03.800 course the the son of the former leader, which is 1:23:03.800 --> 1:23:08.080 always a recipe for a good functional des Also his 1:23:08.080 --> 1:23:11.320 wife as vice president. Yeah, and his wife is vice president, 1:23:11.320 --> 1:23:13.360 which is nice. It's just like it's just like house 1:23:13.360 --> 1:23:18.120 of cars. Yeah, he's the Kevin spacey. Um. His his 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:25.240 attitude and rhetoric towards Armenian in general is eliminationists at best. Um, 1:23:25.280 --> 1:23:30.720 like he's I mean, the country's put out stamps that 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:34.760 show Armenia being fumigated like dirt went during the height 1:23:34.760 --> 1:23:39.120 of the pandemic, which like as a genocide scholar. You know, generally, 1:23:39.160 --> 1:23:42.080 when I see a picture of a place being gassed, 1:23:42.120 --> 1:23:46.880 I get suspicious. Um. Uh, they've talked, they've talked about 1:23:47.560 --> 1:23:49.479 how it was a good thing that in the nineties 1:23:49.560 --> 1:23:53.800 Armenians were driven from Buku and the Bukoprograms and a 1:23:53.800 --> 1:23:58.799 few other places. Um, I mean weren't there like literally 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:01.479 like some of those drop these arms shows and stuff 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:04.920 like pieces of captured equipment with blood on it and stuff. Yeah, 1:24:04.960 --> 1:24:08.520 and they also had, um honestly one of the weirdest, 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:13.320 like it's incredibly offensive and racist, uh, the these um 1:24:14.200 --> 1:24:17.360 caricatures of our of Armenian soldiers who like, at the 1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:20.960 same time they're like racist towards Armenians but also vaguely 1:24:20.960 --> 1:24:25.080 anti Semitic, Like they looked like a character of a 1:24:25.160 --> 1:24:27.760 Jewish person to come out of their sturmer um with 1:24:27.840 --> 1:24:31.679 like you know, and I understand how stereotypically people think 1:24:32.320 --> 1:24:34.720 Armenians look in like these racist art where we have 1:24:34.920 --> 1:24:37.719 you know, big hooked noses and big eyebrows and things 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:40.800 like that, which admittedly I know I meet both of 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:44.880 those personally, but that's besides the point of Like if 1:24:44.880 --> 1:24:46.679 you look at the pictures and they were taken down 1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:49.880 because like even like Israel was like oh that's a 1:24:49.880 --> 1:24:53.920 bit much, and like they help that happen. Um. But 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:56.240 like also to talk you can't talk about as by 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:59.760 genre without talking about Turkey because they have this ideology 1:24:59.800 --> 1:25:03.640 that's like two people, one state. They do believe in 1:25:03.720 --> 1:25:08.360 like pan Turranism, especially urd iwan Um. I mean he's 1:25:08.360 --> 1:25:11.439 been ever ever since, he's gone like full fascist, That's 1:25:11.439 --> 1:25:13.679 something he's been hammering the drum on and like this 1:25:13.880 --> 1:25:17.920 is an extension of that. He's effectively a neo Ottomanist. 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:21.200 He wants to reunite the Oman Empire, which is fucking 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:25.519 insane but also has real life things, you know, but 1:25:25.600 --> 1:25:27.760 also to bring us, you know, to the conflict that 1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:30.519 Americans are more focusing on. As we've talked about before, 1:25:30.520 --> 1:25:32.960 this is another similarity between what Russia is doing in 1:25:33.120 --> 1:25:35.879 Ukraine and what is Erbajon and Turkey are doing in Armenia. 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:41.280 They're both these kind of um redemptionist dreams of people 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:46.160 who want to bring back some sort of lost imperial splendor, 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:51.559 right and are are utilizing kind of the tactics that 1:25:51.760 --> 1:25:54.599 the technics of genocide in order to try to make 1:25:54.640 --> 1:25:57.400 that happen. Yeah, I think for Turkey it's a lot 1:25:57.400 --> 1:26:00.559 of this lost splendor, especially as their economy, it's itself 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:03.840 from mismanagement, and I think for Azerbaijan it's the other 1:26:03.920 --> 1:26:08.559 way around. In the nineties, when we fought the first 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:12.600 car A bah War, Armenia one UM. I mean it 1:26:12.760 --> 1:26:17.400 wasn't from being military's military, militarily superior, having more money. 1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:20.880 It had to do with two largely unorganized forces in 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:25.640 the fallout of the Soviet Union, and Armenia end up winning. UM. 1:26:25.680 --> 1:26:28.439 And ever since then, that loss has been something of 1:26:28.880 --> 1:26:31.360 like national It's like it's kind of like the national 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:34.719 mythos of Azebaijan, because before then Azerbaijan is a national 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:39.040 identity simply didn't exist. It's relatively new UM. And that 1:26:39.400 --> 1:26:44.240 loss in that war became the defining moment. That's where UM, 1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:49.200 the lost Armenia was internalized and like it became school 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:52.040 curriculum that Armenians were the were at fault for everything. 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:55.759 We're sub human, we've been compared to cockroaches. Like for instance, 1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:58.040 if you have, say my last name, you cannot legally 1:26:58.160 --> 1:27:01.679 enter the country of Azebaijan. You cannot enter that country 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:07.439 with an Armenian last name, it's racism, and fascism is 1:27:07.800 --> 1:27:12.160 state doctrine there. So when you know their oil production 1:27:13.120 --> 1:27:15.559 kicked back up from after the war damages and after 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:18.400 the fallout of the Soviet Union, on top of military 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:21.080 reforms that have been lasting for thirty years, they're the 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.280 ones on the up swing now, not Turkey in my opinion, 1:27:23.680 --> 1:27:26.679 and it also helps their fighting someone like Armenia, which 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:29.600 no Armenians that we have military history and everything, but 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:31.920 we have no fucking money, we have no natural resources, 1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:34.720 we have no allies, we have no one's gonna air 1:27:34.800 --> 1:27:38.040 drop palettes of fucking high Mars and Yerevan like nobody's 1:27:38.040 --> 1:27:40.720 coming to help us. We have a k S that 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:44.000 fought in the First War, we have BMP ones that 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:46.559 have probably seen more combat than most people who are 1:27:46.600 --> 1:27:52.439 still alive, an armored personnel carrier. Essentially we we have nothing. Um. 1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:54.760 I'm not going to speak about the cape bills of 1:27:54.800 --> 1:27:57.120 the Armenian military, but like you can imagine what a 1:27:57.160 --> 1:28:00.479 small landlocked country with a small population, not lot of money, 1:28:00.600 --> 1:28:04.960 can field. It's not a lot. Um, Yeah, it's not 1:28:05.040 --> 1:28:07.240 a lot. And this kind of gets us to another 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:09.200 topic that has to be broached with this which is 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:11.400 kind of talking about the relationship of Russia to all 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:15.120 this because one of the things that's very frustrating about 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:19.880 this conflict is that Americans particularly tend to want things 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:22.719 very simply. So you hear you've got a Russian client state, 1:28:23.520 --> 1:28:25.880 which is how it is, not what Armenia is. I'm 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:28.439 not saying that, Joe, obviously, but is how it's easy 1:28:28.479 --> 1:28:31.160 to especially like kind of in the boil out, sort 1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:33.479 of break things out as it's like, Okay, you've got 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:35.840 this state backed by Russia and then you've got this 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:38.400 other state fighting that that's backed by Turkey. Well, Turkey's 1:28:38.800 --> 1:28:40.599 part of NATO, they're part of, you know, the fight 1:28:40.640 --> 1:28:42.479 against Russia, so they must be the good guys. And 1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:45.120 none of that's accurate. But I think it's I think 1:28:45.120 --> 1:28:48.360 it's important to explain why. So, I mean, it's it's 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:54.040 really hard to explain Armenia and Russia's relationship other than imperialism. Um. Obviously, 1:28:54.120 --> 1:28:57.080 Armenia has been conquered by countless countries throughout our fucking 1:28:57.080 --> 1:28:59.960 long history, but the most recent one being the Soviet Union, 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:04.040 which we did not join willingly. Um. And then after 1:29:04.080 --> 1:29:06.559 the fall of the Soviet Union, the Russian Federation. Um, 1:29:07.040 --> 1:29:10.439 we're solidly within Russia's fear of influences by no active 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:13.360 choice of ours were members of the c tso were 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:16.320 members of the Eurasian Economic Union, and neither of those 1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:18.679 were by choice. We were strong armed into it because 1:29:18.720 --> 1:29:22.480 there's no there's nothing else, there's no other option. Um. 1:29:22.600 --> 1:29:24.920 And as far as it goes, is is like the 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:30.200 brotherly relationship or this client state. It would be exactly 1:29:30.280 --> 1:29:33.640 like someone blaming Ukraine for what happened in Maidan, or 1:29:33.880 --> 1:29:36.960 blaming Ukraine for what happened in or what happened now 1:29:37.240 --> 1:29:40.400 because they're trying to get away from that. I mean, 1:29:41.040 --> 1:29:45.440 we can't. We don't have the resources to do it. 1:29:45.520 --> 1:29:49.960 Just just for an example of how Armenia plays like 1:29:50.040 --> 1:29:53.400 tight ropes, this ship never once if we voted in 1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:56.439 favor of Russia during this war. We like they're like 1:29:56.520 --> 1:29:58.960 our representatives to the U n our our Ministry of 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:02.080 Foreign Affairs are prime. This there is solidly neutral because 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:04.720 that's the best he can do. Um. Right, you know 1:30:05.560 --> 1:30:09.599 he's either voted against, uh, he's voted uh, he's abstained. 1:30:09.640 --> 1:30:11.800 He's never voted for to support Russia during this war 1:30:11.800 --> 1:30:15.760 at all. Um, Now, Obviously, back in there was a 1:30:15.760 --> 1:30:20.599 different Armenia. UM. We had a pro EU movement here 1:30:20.640 --> 1:30:22.439 that was quite strong. This is before I lived here, 1:30:22.479 --> 1:30:26.680 of course, UM that voted to declare our intentions to 1:30:26.680 --> 1:30:28.719 want to join the EU. I believe this is under 1:30:28.720 --> 1:30:34.920 President Sergisan UM and it passed overwhelmingly in the popular vote, 1:30:35.360 --> 1:30:38.200 because unlike the people invading us, we are a free 1:30:38.200 --> 1:30:40.640 and fair democracy with the freedom of speech and expression 1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:42.679 and everything else that people like to claim they want 1:30:42.680 --> 1:30:47.360 to defend, but they don't UM. And after a five 1:30:47.400 --> 1:30:50.600 minute meeting with Putin, it was gone. There's no more referendum, 1:30:50.640 --> 1:30:52.920 and we decided not to join the EU anymore. But 1:30:53.000 --> 1:30:55.479 we I mean the president. After that we had our 1:30:55.560 --> 1:31:01.280 Velvet Revolution which got rid of him UM and distance 1:31:01.320 --> 1:31:05.160 ourselves from Russia as much as we realistically could so 1:31:05.520 --> 1:31:10.280 inten I believe UH. For instance, Armenia UH kind of 1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:14.160 slightly supported Russia when it came to annexing Crimea. And 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:17.320 now you can kind of see why the president was 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:20.680 a fucking stooge. That's not the case anymore. We now 1:31:20.680 --> 1:31:23.160 have a parliamentary system and as much as I am 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:25.200 not the biggest fan of Prime Minister or passion Yon, 1:31:25.600 --> 1:31:29.720 He's not that guy. That's not like the Armenia is 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:34.840 a different world. Um. And I know, like like you said, 1:31:34.880 --> 1:31:37.000 people really like to simplify these things. They want this 1:31:37.120 --> 1:31:39.000 to be a team sport. They want this to be 1:31:39.120 --> 1:31:42.600 NATO versus Russia, and you know, people like Belarus or 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:45.719 whoever else. But there's a there's a pretty big fucking 1:31:45.760 --> 1:31:50.679 difference here. We have not actively supported this war. There 1:31:50.680 --> 1:31:53.840 has been anti war protests outside my fucking window since 1:31:53.880 --> 1:31:57.400 the war has started. Ukrainians have flooded here by the 1:31:57.479 --> 1:31:59.720 thousands and they have met nothing but Armenians who have 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:02.479 well come down with open arms. Russians have come too, 1:32:02.600 --> 1:32:04.320 and we're not the biggest fans of them, but what 1:32:04.360 --> 1:32:09.320 can you do about um. You know, like we're we're 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:11.840 solidly neutral in this and it's one of the things 1:32:11.840 --> 1:32:16.240 that fucking and I mean granted neutral government wise, people wise. Absolutely, 1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:19.240 we're not neutral. Um. And one of the things that 1:32:19.320 --> 1:32:22.400 pisces me off the most is that people can see 1:32:23.400 --> 1:32:25.840 the realities of the war in Ukraine where they can 1:32:25.840 --> 1:32:30.479 see right through Russian propaganda when it's like demilitarization, denification, whatever, 1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:33.920 and they can see on its face that's complete and 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:38.760 utter bullshit. But like when because you know, Ukraine is 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:41.320 fighting for their sovereignty, their independence, and the right to 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:45.439 exist that we all have, um, and when it comes 1:32:45.479 --> 1:32:48.679 to us, we don't get that, like, oh, well, we're 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:50.960 calling for both sides a de escalate and maybe our 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:54.120 omnia shouldn't have started this. We haven't done anything. It 1:32:54.240 --> 1:32:57.599 was fucking midnight last night and the South started being bombed. 1:32:57.640 --> 1:33:00.160 What the fund is there to be de escalated? You 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:05.120 can't deescalate self defense. So you have what is a 1:33:05.120 --> 1:33:08.160 really uncomfortable situation and one that a lot of people 1:33:08.240 --> 1:33:10.920 don't like talking about the reality of because essentially, when 1:33:10.960 --> 1:33:14.320 you have a country like Azerbaijan that is insisting on 1:33:14.400 --> 1:33:17.920 repeatedly violating the territory of its neighbor um and that 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:21.160 has proven not just a willingness but an eagerness to 1:33:21.240 --> 1:33:24.440 engage and engage in acts of ethnic cleansing and genocide, 1:33:24.680 --> 1:33:27.120 you have two options for dealing with that other than 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:30.640 let them do it right. Option one is send in 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:34.880 peacekeepers to stop the aggression. Now Russia has troops that 1:33:35.200 --> 1:33:39.519 were called peacekeepers in the area. Um. You know, there's 1:33:39.680 --> 1:33:42.320 you could debate prior to the invasion of Ukraine. How 1:33:42.360 --> 1:33:45.479 good they were at that job, um, but they certainly 1:33:45.520 --> 1:33:49.000 are not capable of doing it now. Um. So then 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:51.599 the question is, okay, who else? Who? What? Who else 1:33:51.640 --> 1:33:53.639 is peacekeepers are gonna come in? Right? And if that's 1:33:53.680 --> 1:33:56.360 not a realistic solution and you don't want to let 1:33:56.680 --> 1:34:00.320 Azerbaijan just do a genocide, then what you do issue 1:34:00.360 --> 1:34:04.800 give them weapons Armenia weapons, not as people already doing 1:34:04.840 --> 1:34:11.519 that part unfortunately the US. Yeah, indeed, um. And again 1:34:11.760 --> 1:34:15.200 there's this we're all kind of in terms of like 1:34:15.240 --> 1:34:17.240 the discourse around this in the United States living in 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:20.559 the shadow of the War on Terror, in which an 1:34:20.600 --> 1:34:25.360 irresponsible quantity of weapons were handed out to an irresponsible 1:34:25.439 --> 1:34:28.320 variety of groups. Um, and many of them went to 1:34:28.400 --> 1:34:32.559 bad ends in bad places. Um. The reality is that, 1:34:32.640 --> 1:34:35.240 you know, we're sitting on a fucking stockpile of weapons 1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:37.600 here in the United States as tall as the sky 1:34:37.680 --> 1:34:40.479 and handing over a tiny percent of that. When people 1:34:40.479 --> 1:34:42.759 talk about like that we're giving this much aid Ukraine, 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:46.160 We're not spending that much cash straight on ad Ukraine. 1:34:46.160 --> 1:34:48.200 We're picking up ship we have in mothballs and we'll 1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:50.519 we're handing it to them because we've spent all of 1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:54.559 our treasure on on a pile of guns larger than 1:34:54.920 --> 1:34:57.519 you can conceive of in terms of its actual size 1:34:57.520 --> 1:35:01.040 and weight. UM. And I don't know, like when when 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:04.920 I think about what is to be fucking done here realistically, UM, 1:35:04.960 --> 1:35:07.800 I would like for our Menia to have access to javelins. 1:35:07.840 --> 1:35:12.000 And I'm send some stingers. Even. One of the things 1:35:12.000 --> 1:35:14.599 that pisses me off is like, like you said, there's 1:35:14.600 --> 1:35:16.760 two options here, you do nothing, and you're complicit in 1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:19.920 a genocide. That's what this hits like. It's it's like 1:35:20.000 --> 1:35:24.720 being silent and you know, um and in ninet, it's 1:35:24.720 --> 1:35:27.680 being silent, in nineteen fifteen, it's being silent Rwanda, we 1:35:27.680 --> 1:35:30.000 were silent during most of those things, and we saw 1:35:30.040 --> 1:35:34.200 how they were, Like, there's only one way this fucking 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:36.519 ends if we don't get guns, and that's with a 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:39.759 lot of dead Armenians. That that that and by supporting 1:35:39.760 --> 1:35:43.799 Azerbaijan or sitting out that is what you explicitly support 1:35:44.320 --> 1:35:48.400 is thousands and thousands of dead civilians. Like that's the 1:35:48.439 --> 1:35:54.320 only way this ends. And it is again and I 1:35:54.360 --> 1:35:56.600 hate keep that. We keep going back to Ukraine, but 1:35:56.640 --> 1:35:59.719 it's relevant because it's the the the it's the conflict 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:02.719 that we're actually focusing on the people who are counter 1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:06.839 on on anti side, providing weapons to the Ukrainian military 1:36:06.840 --> 1:36:09.800 and make claims about corruption, which they could also make 1:36:09.880 --> 1:36:13.360 about the Armenian government, um, and claims about you know, 1:36:13.560 --> 1:36:17.360 arms trafficking and all that stuff. But so far and Ukraine, 1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:19.840 by the way, is a country with a deeper history 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:24.479 of corruption, significantly in the Armenian government even um, we 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:30.439 haven't government is less corrupt than Ukraine's. Yeah, Um, you 1:36:30.439 --> 1:36:32.280 haven't seen a ton of that happening. What you have 1:36:32.400 --> 1:36:35.360 seen is the weapons that have been handed to them, 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:39.320 blowing up invaders, tanks and aircraft. Um. And the sheer 1:36:39.400 --> 1:36:43.920 quantity that has been destroyed is evidence that that weaponry 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:46.320 has been used pretty responsibly. And when you were talking 1:36:46.320 --> 1:36:49.760 about a group of people facing annihilation, I'm simply not 1:36:49.880 --> 1:36:52.799 worried that they're going to sell their stingers to fucking 1:36:52.800 --> 1:36:56.040 Isis or wherever are we going to sell them to Turkey? 1:36:56.080 --> 1:37:01.760 In one side the Georgia, that's actually fine, like you know, 1:37:02.040 --> 1:37:06.160 and that's I think people are fucking gutless. Um, you 1:37:06.240 --> 1:37:09.120 saw this happen in February before they're in January, before 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:12.280 the war in Ukraine started, when people like, oh, weapons 1:37:12.280 --> 1:37:14.479 are only gonna make it worse. No, they're fucking not. 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:18.719 You know what's worse than than an armed population defending 1:37:18.760 --> 1:37:22.000 itself is an unarmed one being murdered anyway. And we 1:37:22.360 --> 1:37:26.000 in case nobody paid attention, because they probably didn't, you 1:37:26.040 --> 1:37:28.120 can go back and look at the video footage of 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:31.920 what happens to unarmed Armenians, and it's the same fucking 1:37:31.920 --> 1:37:34.800 ship Isis did to yuz S. It's the same fucking 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:36.920 ship they did occurreds, and it's the same fucking ship 1:37:37.040 --> 1:37:39.320 that will happen again if we do not get what 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:41.640 we need to defend ourselves. And I don't give a 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:43.800 funk if you don't like Russia. I don't fucking like 1:37:43.880 --> 1:37:46.400 Russia either. But it's the reality that we live in. 1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:50.080 If you're if you're fucking intelligent enough to realize the 1:37:51.400 --> 1:37:54.720 diplomacy and geopolitics of how Ukraine ended up in the 1:37:54.760 --> 1:37:57.040 war that they're in now, you should understand why we 1:37:57.080 --> 1:37:59.679 are in the situation that we are into. You cannot 1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:03.760 really sistickally believe we deserve what is happening unless you 1:38:03.840 --> 1:38:08.040 also believe Ukraine deserves what's happening to them. It's impossible. 1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:14.479 I don't know. This is obviously how could this not 1:38:14.560 --> 1:38:18.280 be like emotional and and and it is just feeling 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:21.559 like I can't and it must be so much worse 1:38:21.560 --> 1:38:25.680 obviously just being there, but like this, this feeling of 1:38:25.720 --> 1:38:30.360 a fucking train coming at you, and people aren't gonna 1:38:30.479 --> 1:38:34.400 do ship because there's this fucking problem with optic And 1:38:34.400 --> 1:38:36.200 it's more complicated when we talk about I'm talking about 1:38:36.200 --> 1:38:38.640 we wanna talk about optics, I guess we're talking about discourse. 1:38:39.000 --> 1:38:41.880 When it comes about like why politically the United States 1:38:41.920 --> 1:38:44.840 is unlikely to do anything like what we've suggested, It's 1:38:44.840 --> 1:38:47.280 more complicated than that, and a decent amount of it 1:38:47.280 --> 1:38:48.840 comes down to the fact that we have what is it, 1:38:48.960 --> 1:38:53.559 thirteen nuclear weapons stationed in Turkey right now, which land 1:38:53.720 --> 1:38:58.960 stolen from Armenians from the genocide. Great stuff, America, well done, 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:03.080 We really knocked that out of the park. What is 1:39:03.120 --> 1:39:05.920 it that people can do to help outside of you know, 1:39:05.960 --> 1:39:08.680 trying to become informed about the conflict, which I think 1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:10.640 we can talk about some sources at the end of this. 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:13.519 Are there places, you know, Red Cross style things that 1:39:13.560 --> 1:39:16.559 people can donate to to help to the extent that 1:39:16.560 --> 1:39:19.760 that's kind of a thing is helpful. Yeah, Um, I mean, 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:25.040 you know, generally crowdfunding for weapons systems is illegal unless 1:39:25.080 --> 1:39:29.040 you're Ukraine nowadays, so I'm thinking more about medical. Um, 1:39:29.160 --> 1:39:31.320 the Armenian Red Cross is always a good option. They 1:39:31.360 --> 1:39:33.840 helped a lot, and they still help now we still 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:37.360 have a ton of internally displaced people. Um. There's also 1:39:37.400 --> 1:39:42.000 the hind drum In Fund, which directly funds wounded servicemen 1:39:42.240 --> 1:39:47.800 because we really don't have a v A exactly here. Um. 1:39:47.920 --> 1:39:51.679 There's quite a few other ones, but the the Armenian 1:39:51.760 --> 1:39:55.960 Red Crosses of course the most reliable and easy to 1:39:56.000 --> 1:39:57.559 donate if you're in the West. For sure. You don't 1:39:57.560 --> 1:40:00.519 have to navigate any confusing Armenian language website. It's because 1:40:00.880 --> 1:40:03.839 it's it's hard and mean, it isn't great with the internet, 1:40:03.960 --> 1:40:08.439 so like most of them don't have translations. Um, but 1:40:09.600 --> 1:40:12.800 you know it's yeah, I understand I'm a little bit 1:40:12.800 --> 1:40:15.360 more emotional than most people. Probably hear me on podcasts, 1:40:15.360 --> 1:40:21.800 but like, um, I'm mad, I'm mad, I'm fucking frustrated. Um, 1:40:21.840 --> 1:40:24.000 I don't know how much longer people can let this 1:40:24.120 --> 1:40:27.840 kind of thing happen. Um, I hope the e use 1:40:28.240 --> 1:40:31.120 gas this winter is fucking worth it, because this is 1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:33.720 what you got. This is what that deal got us. 1:40:34.040 --> 1:40:36.679 So I hope you're nice and warm in the fucking 1:40:36.680 --> 1:40:39.240 winter because we probably won't have power or we'll have 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:43.080 more dead or whatever. But real glad you pivoted away 1:40:43.120 --> 1:40:45.639 from Russian gas and sign a deal. Fucking as Jean, 1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:51.479 you spineless fox. And it's a I mean, it goes 1:40:51.560 --> 1:40:54.600 it's the spinelessness is deeper than that, right, because the 1:40:54.680 --> 1:40:57.920 reason why the fucking gas crunch that led to that 1:40:57.960 --> 1:41:01.799 deal happened in the first place was among a number 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:06.600 of things, years of seeding to Russian government aggression in 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:10.000 places like Georgia, in the places like Ukraine, and you've 1:41:10.000 --> 1:41:12.639 got that, you know, here you have the invasion by 1:41:12.760 --> 1:41:15.920 a Zerbaijan almost like two years ago now, and then 1:41:15.960 --> 1:41:21.920 there's that and and no pushback. Right, this is this 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:24.439 is the thing is And this is not a popular 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:26.679 kind of thing to go to talk about on the left, 1:41:26.920 --> 1:41:29.400 but but it's true. If you want to pay attention 1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:32.840 to why why that whole World War two situation got 1:41:32.880 --> 1:41:36.760 so goddamn bad, A big part of it is they're 1:41:36.800 --> 1:41:40.320 not being any kind of effective rules based international order 1:41:40.400 --> 1:41:43.800 to stop bigger countries or at least more aggressive ones, 1:41:43.880 --> 1:41:46.400 from fucking with their neighbors. And one of the things 1:41:46.400 --> 1:41:48.640 we were supposed to have learned from that war is 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:57.120 that you don't let people do that. It's bad and right. Yeah, yeah, 1:41:57.200 --> 1:41:59.280 like it shouldn't be that hard. I don't care what 1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:01.679 your politics is. I mean, everybody knows that we're both 1:42:02.080 --> 1:42:06.080 very left wing. But when someone comes continuously fox with you, 1:42:06.240 --> 1:42:08.360 the only way to make them stop is by hitting 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:10.439 them in the goddamn face until they realize it's not 1:42:10.439 --> 1:42:14.599 a good idea like this, Like diplomacy doesn't work when 1:42:14.640 --> 1:42:18.519 one side only wants you dead. You can't debate my 1:42:18.720 --> 1:42:21.080 right to live, or my neighbor's right to live, or 1:42:21.120 --> 1:42:23.799 these kids right to live. Very they're fucking schools bombed 1:42:23.880 --> 1:42:26.559 right now, there's no debate to be had. You have 1:42:26.680 --> 1:42:30.160 to hit them until they fucking stop. There's like, I'm sorry, 1:42:30.160 --> 1:42:33.720 there's not gonna be any de escalation of fucking genocide. 1:42:33.840 --> 1:42:37.320 Like that's not how this works. People tend to get 1:42:37.400 --> 1:42:41.760 this in the immediate sense when you're talking about, you know, 1:42:41.880 --> 1:42:44.400 some fucking bigot in front of you everybody everybody loves, 1:42:45.240 --> 1:42:47.800 you know, cheering on a video of some guy, you know, 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:50.040 dropping a racial slur and getting knocked to the ground. 1:42:50.120 --> 1:42:55.599 Obviously those are a lot of um. But the moral 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:58.800 is that if you let assholes. The actual moral of 1:42:58.840 --> 1:43:01.519 like why it's important to punch Nazis in the face 1:43:01.520 --> 1:43:03.479 when they're doing Nazi ship is that if you just 1:43:03.560 --> 1:43:05.320 let them do Nazi ship and you try to like 1:43:05.360 --> 1:43:08.000 appease them and calm them down, you'll often calm them 1:43:08.040 --> 1:43:09.800 down here and there, and they're like, back off, but 1:43:09.800 --> 1:43:11.599 they'll have gotten a little bit more, They'll have gotten 1:43:11.600 --> 1:43:12.960 a little bit of what they want, they'll have gotten 1:43:12.960 --> 1:43:15.639 a little bit further, and they just keep making shit 1:43:15.800 --> 1:43:19.960 worse until somebody actually does fucking drop them. And it's 1:43:19.960 --> 1:43:25.160 the same with you know. And again I I we 1:43:25.200 --> 1:43:27.040 just talked about with the great lesson of World War 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:29.120 two should have been and the thing that actually happens 1:43:29.160 --> 1:43:32.160 the generation that took power in the United States and 1:43:32.160 --> 1:43:34.880 in a lot of other Western countries after that, not 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:37.479 exclusively the West, but I think we're talking about our 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:40.960 our our people here, um immediately went and fucked around 1:43:41.000 --> 1:43:44.440 and carried out acts of aggression all over the world. Um, 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:47.160 but that doesn't mean the basic lesson is bad. The 1:43:47.280 --> 1:43:50.400 lesson is don't let pete. We should not have been 1:43:50.400 --> 1:43:54.439 allowed to do that, um, but we shouldn't like that 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:56.880 should not be a thing that the world accepts, Like 1:43:56.960 --> 1:43:59.920 the you can't just sit back and be like, oh, 1:44:00.000 --> 1:44:03.320 all that countries gonna go do a genocide now, but 1:44:03.360 --> 1:44:06.320 it's far away, so there's nothing to be done other 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:08.760 than continue to buy the oil of the people doing 1:44:08.760 --> 1:44:13.440 the genocide and thereby fund the genocide. Right like it's 1:44:13.479 --> 1:44:16.880 it's fucking unconscionable, man like, and even if you want 1:44:16.920 --> 1:44:18.559 to look at this as like the West also fund 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:20.920 around during the Couldar, which like, yeah, you know what, 1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:24.800 everybody did, you know, stop them? They didn't funk around 1:44:24.800 --> 1:44:27.040 so much in Southeast Asia after the US got punched 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:30.280 in the fucking face in Vietnam, did that? That's right? Yeah, 1:44:30.560 --> 1:44:33.320 well it was a lot less. The shouldn't be this 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:36.720 fucking complicated. I don't I don't care what political ideology 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:40.440 you subscribe to, Like it's self defense, like it's collective 1:44:40.880 --> 1:44:44.240 mutual self defense. When we need help, you give us 1:44:44.240 --> 1:44:48.320 fucking help. Like, yeah, it shouldn't be that fucking hard. 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:51.400 I mean to be fair for for some people will 1:44:51.400 --> 1:44:56.160 never truly matter because they don't see countries like Armenia 1:44:56.320 --> 1:44:59.200 or countries like Azerbaijan is having agency to do their 1:44:59.240 --> 1:45:02.760 own things and thrown things. Um. And if that is you, 1:45:02.840 --> 1:45:06.200 I hope to see your house on scene end one day. Um. 1:45:06.800 --> 1:45:09.439 But like you know that does there should be like 1:45:09.479 --> 1:45:12.600 that sounds like, um, like an old Russian curse, like me, 1:45:12.800 --> 1:45:16.679 your house beyond the sea, and I believe it's from yeah, yeah, 1:45:16.920 --> 1:45:19.360 but I can imagine yes, some little old ladies saying 1:45:19.360 --> 1:45:22.639 that to you. We we have the right to freedom 1:45:22.680 --> 1:45:26.320 as much as anyone else. And um, not only that 1:45:26.360 --> 1:45:29.559 we've achieved it. Like Armenia is a is a moderately 1:45:29.640 --> 1:45:32.360 progressive place. I mean, we're still working on some things. 1:45:32.400 --> 1:45:35.479 We have the freest democracy in the region. Um, we 1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:38.400 have great standard of living for most people. Um, and 1:45:38.400 --> 1:45:41.639 it was only getting better. This is a place has 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:45.639 freer and fairer elections, and virtually anyone else over here, 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:49.719 to include Russia, to include fucking Ukraine, to include Turkey, 1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:54.080 to include all these places that people insists are worth defending. 1:45:54.680 --> 1:45:57.760 I'm just curious why we're not like, why are like 1:45:57.880 --> 1:46:00.519 why are Armenians less than what did we for fucking 1:46:00.560 --> 1:46:05.600 do to deserve this? It's it's incredibly depressing. Um. And 1:46:05.760 --> 1:46:08.400 maybe we're not the right shade of white. I don't. 1:46:08.439 --> 1:46:12.760 I don't fucking know anymore man Like it's it's it's 1:46:12.800 --> 1:46:17.599 really weird to me. UM. Even like internationally geopolitically, you know, 1:46:18.120 --> 1:46:21.799 the Secretary of State Blincoln urged both sides of de escalate. 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:25.760 Suck my fucking dick. What are we de escalating? They're 1:46:25.800 --> 1:46:31.439 invading us? I would like to ask al Qaeda, would 1:46:31.520 --> 1:46:33.640 really like to ask the city of New York to 1:46:33.760 --> 1:46:37.519 de escalate when planes flew into the World Trade Center, like, 1:46:38.200 --> 1:46:39.680 get the funk out of here, Like, how do you 1:46:39.720 --> 1:46:46.720 de escalate this? They're bombing cities like it's it's maddening, um, 1:46:46.760 --> 1:46:48.759 And it's not gonna end. It's not gonna end until 1:46:48.760 --> 1:46:52.479 someone fucking ends it. We can't. We We just had 1:46:52.479 --> 1:46:55.680 a generationally destroying war two years ago that we have 1:46:55.720 --> 1:46:59.400 not recovered from. We have an entire society that's dealing 1:46:59.479 --> 1:47:04.000 with various forms of PTSD. UM. We don't have the 1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:06.679 the institutions to take care of all of the victims 1:47:06.680 --> 1:47:09.400 from two years ago. UM. We didn't get any help 1:47:09.400 --> 1:47:11.800 that either, and we're not gonna get any help now. 1:47:13.479 --> 1:47:20.320 I uh yeah, you know, I think again, there's this, 1:47:20.560 --> 1:47:24.920 there's this tendency towards isolationism and the left brought on 1:47:25.000 --> 1:47:28.960 by the Iraq War. But none of this, if nothing 1:47:29.080 --> 1:47:31.680 is done, if there's no international response to this, and 1:47:31.680 --> 1:47:35.280 if these areas aren't aren't stopped by you know, in 1:47:35.640 --> 1:47:42.799 auto cathonic resistance, um, then it won't stop with Armenia, 1:47:43.000 --> 1:47:45.920 because violence of this sort never does. There's a there's 1:47:45.960 --> 1:47:48.400 a book I'm interested in your thoughts on it, actually, Joe, 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:50.760 but I found it quite eliminating a number of years ago, 1:47:50.800 --> 1:47:53.639 An Inconvenient Genocide by Adam hoss Child, which is about 1:47:53.720 --> 1:47:57.479 the Armenian genocide and its influence on Hitler, making the 1:47:57.520 --> 1:48:02.639 point that even though hit there never was anywhere close 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:05.439 to Armenia, neither were any fucking German troops for that matter, 1:48:05.479 --> 1:48:11.240 particularly close Imperial German troops were, Oh well, yeah, we're 1:48:11.280 --> 1:48:13.000 we're very much in charge of a lot of different 1:48:13.000 --> 1:48:17.400 death squads. It's it's a it's a weird story. Hitler's 1:48:17.479 --> 1:48:20.080 Hitler's German. Of course, I apologize. I meant, I meant 1:48:20.080 --> 1:48:26.360 the Yeah. But the point that Hoschild was making was 1:48:26.400 --> 1:48:31.040 that Hitler was not engaged in the Armenian genocide, but 1:48:31.120 --> 1:48:33.880 he paid attention to it and the fact that the 1:48:34.439 --> 1:48:38.120 young Turks got away with it, um and and got 1:48:38.160 --> 1:48:40.519 to take that let take land that, as you pointed out, 1:48:40.560 --> 1:48:43.880 is currently occupied by some US nuclear war heads. Um 1:48:44.200 --> 1:48:47.000 was was part of what emboldened him to do not 1:48:47.080 --> 1:48:49.479 just the Holocaust but everything he did in Europe. And 1:48:49.479 --> 1:48:52.320 there was a line specifically in reference to the Holocaust 1:48:52.320 --> 1:48:54.200 from Hitler, but it was during this table talk that 1:48:54.280 --> 1:48:56.880 was like essentially he was saying, well, of course we'll 1:48:56.920 --> 1:48:59.559 get away with it. Nobody remembers Armenians anymore. Yeah, it's 1:48:59.600 --> 1:49:04.560 literally on the wall. Yeah. And that's the thing is 1:49:04.600 --> 1:49:09.360 like it goes back right, like everybody was saying, because 1:49:09.400 --> 1:49:12.400 I mean, I understand the politics behind our sock are 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:15.080 messy for people who are not from this region, and 1:49:15.280 --> 1:49:17.360 I'm I don't have enough time to go into them. 1:49:18.640 --> 1:49:22.640 The majority of Armenian population that was given to Azerbaijan 1:49:22.760 --> 1:49:27.720 by the Soviet Union with absolutely no process, and they 1:49:27.840 --> 1:49:30.960 attempted to vote to join Armenia while we were still 1:49:30.960 --> 1:49:33.040 in the Soviet Union, which is well within the rights 1:49:33.360 --> 1:49:38.160 according to the Soviet Unions constitution if such rights functionally existed, 1:49:38.200 --> 1:49:41.320 which they did not. Um, and that's what started the 1:49:41.320 --> 1:49:45.560 first war. But in every war has been about that 1:49:45.600 --> 1:49:49.160 ever since, effectively, at least politically on its surface, because 1:49:49.160 --> 1:49:53.320 internationally is recognized as part of Azerbaijan, because they go 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:56.439 off old Soviet maps for fucking reasons. I don't know. 1:49:57.240 --> 1:50:01.640 I mean, we can talk about Sikes Picaul, yeah exactly. Um, 1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:04.760 But like you know, in people were saying that, like, oh, 1:50:04.840 --> 1:50:08.920 if this will all end if Armenia simply gives up 1:50:09.120 --> 1:50:12.519 art Stock, which we don't claim art so nobody, I mean, 1:50:12.600 --> 1:50:15.840 some some people do. The government does not. Um, we 1:50:16.040 --> 1:50:19.160 don't recognize it as an independent country either, which they 1:50:19.160 --> 1:50:23.920 themselves have declared themselves. It's it's messy, I understand, but um, 1:50:24.000 --> 1:50:26.560 it's it's not within the Republic of Armenia to negotiate 1:50:26.560 --> 1:50:29.120 the non existence of the Republic of Artsch that is 1:50:29.240 --> 1:50:32.160 their right to self determination. That is politically what the 1:50:32.160 --> 1:50:38.000 government believes. Now they were saying, well, now that these 1:50:38.080 --> 1:50:40.120 areas have been taken over by age by John, we 1:50:40.160 --> 1:50:42.559 can finally move towards peace. There's fucking peace talks a 1:50:42.600 --> 1:50:48.440 week ago that the Prime Minister pashaon Yan met with Aliev. 1:50:48.520 --> 1:50:51.960 I believe in Belgium. I'm not entirely sure they literally 1:50:52.000 --> 1:50:53.760 met a week ago. Maybe it's two weeks ago, like 1:50:53.800 --> 1:50:56.920 it was very recent. But the thing is every time 1:50:57.600 --> 1:51:01.120 this peace process starts again, this happens because it's not 1:51:01.240 --> 1:51:04.439 about Arsa, it's not about Nagano Karaba, it's not about 1:51:04.439 --> 1:51:06.880 any of these. It's it's about our right, our fundamental 1:51:07.000 --> 1:51:09.960 right to exist. They do not believe in it, like 1:51:10.080 --> 1:51:14.320 it's not just like it wasn't about um Jews being 1:51:14.360 --> 1:51:17.559 involved in business. It wasn't about Jews marrying Germans. It 1:51:17.600 --> 1:51:21.800 was about their fundamental right to exist. Like it's it's 1:51:21.800 --> 1:51:24.240 all it is. It's the same can be said for Palestinians. 1:51:24.320 --> 1:51:28.000 This is this isn't about Palestinian I mean, thinking of 1:51:28.040 --> 1:51:31.640 which fucking Israelis are just just placing Armenians in Palestine 1:51:31.680 --> 1:51:34.920 as well. Like it's it's not about it's not about 1:51:34.960 --> 1:51:38.400 these these small little nibbles that they're taking. It's not 1:51:38.479 --> 1:51:42.200 about the freedom of movement. It's not about your right 1:51:42.280 --> 1:51:44.840 to date. Someone which came up recently is they made 1:51:44.840 --> 1:51:47.879 some Israelila against that you have to declare your romantic 1:51:47.920 --> 1:51:50.559 intentions before you go into the West Bank or whatever. Like, 1:51:50.800 --> 1:51:53.840 it's not about those things. Those are maybe that'll make 1:51:55.320 --> 1:51:57.719 maybe that'll make it easier to get the the American 1:51:57.800 --> 1:52:00.920 leftists on this one. Right, No, no guy, Israel is 1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:05.800 the bad the bad guys here we can genocide. Yet 1:52:06.800 --> 1:52:10.760 that's not entirely. He probably would. But the thing is 1:52:10.800 --> 1:52:13.040 that it's not about these small nibbles. It's not about 1:52:13.080 --> 1:52:14.960 your right to do X or you're right to do why. 1:52:15.040 --> 1:52:17.720 It's not about art socks, right, the freedom, it's it's 1:52:17.840 --> 1:52:22.000 it's they don't believe you should exist, and they will 1:52:22.240 --> 1:52:24.960 take and take and take and take until you're fucking 1:52:25.000 --> 1:52:28.000 powerless and they can wipe you out. That is their goal. 1:52:28.080 --> 1:52:30.599 I mean, you can see that in Palestine, you can 1:52:30.600 --> 1:52:33.920 see that, in Arsa, you can see that increasingly in Armenia. 1:52:33.960 --> 1:52:36.679 You can see That's what Russia's goal was in Ukraine, 1:52:36.760 --> 1:52:41.439 it was Russia's goal in Georgia. It's how imperialism fucking works. 1:52:41.520 --> 1:52:44.240 It doesn't have to have an American flag or British 1:52:44.240 --> 1:52:46.360 flag over it for that to be what it's called. 1:52:46.680 --> 1:52:50.639 It's genocidal imperialism. And like if if you're too dumb 1:52:50.840 --> 1:52:52.840 to fucking see that, I don't know what else to 1:52:52.880 --> 1:52:56.280 tell you, Like, I don't know how else do you 1:52:56.280 --> 1:52:59.559 need me to draw and fucking crayon? Like yeah, And 1:52:59.720 --> 1:53:02.680 I I think we're both getting angry here, primarily at 1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:05.880 groups of people who I don't believe are the primary 1:53:06.160 --> 1:53:09.880 listeners that will have on this, not necessarily but but 1:53:09.880 --> 1:53:12.400 but I get it, Like no, it's it's this constant 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:15.880 fucking thing you have whenever there's a war anywhere, And 1:53:15.960 --> 1:53:17.920 you are like, well, what is the solution, Well, the 1:53:17.920 --> 1:53:22.320 people who are the victims need to have access to weapons? Um. Yeah. 1:53:22.400 --> 1:53:25.160 And if you're and if you're saying, which I agree with, 1:53:25.560 --> 1:53:28.880 sending in US or whatever troops to ex country usually 1:53:28.920 --> 1:53:30.880 it doesn't work out, then what are what is the 1:53:30.920 --> 1:53:34.920 option give them fucking weapons? Yeah? And honestly, like what 1:53:34.960 --> 1:53:38.160 would make the situation worse if we had American soldiers here? 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:41.639 Like yeah, I mean I just don't I just don't 1:53:41.680 --> 1:53:48.000 think that's a thing that logistically the US military can do. Well. Um, 1:53:48.280 --> 1:53:52.599 but like yeah, like there's some situations where, yes, military 1:53:52.640 --> 1:53:57.080 assistance could make a situation worse. Bad things will happen, 1:53:57.240 --> 1:54:00.080 You cannot deploy large amounts of weapons or soldiers to 1:54:00.120 --> 1:54:04.719 a specific area without there being some kind of negative effects. However, 1:54:04.840 --> 1:54:08.960 you have to realistically weigh the good and the bad. Yeah, 1:54:09.280 --> 1:54:13.960 the world military the Allies bombed Germany flat, but they 1:54:13.960 --> 1:54:18.880 stopped the fucking holocaust. Yeah, we blew up a fair 1:54:18.920 --> 1:54:22.680 amount of people in the nineties, we stopped the genocide, 1:54:23.040 --> 1:54:25.680 like we blew up the ship out of Isis, And 1:54:25.680 --> 1:54:29.559 there was also some civilian casualties, which fucking sucked quite 1:54:29.600 --> 1:54:32.760 a few. You stop the Azite genocide with the assistance 1:54:32.800 --> 1:54:35.440 of the PKK and and the YPG and the y PJ, Like, 1:54:36.600 --> 1:54:42.440 you cannot unleash military power without the acceptance that innocent 1:54:42.480 --> 1:54:45.480 people are going to die. The way that you weigh 1:54:45.520 --> 1:54:48.280 that is more fucking people are going to die if 1:54:48.320 --> 1:54:51.600 you don't. That's that's I think the key of it, 1:54:51.680 --> 1:54:53.840 and probably the point to close on is that it's 1:54:53.840 --> 1:54:57.640 not a decision do we do we bring violence to 1:54:57.680 --> 1:55:02.720 this situation or not the situation. The question is how 1:55:02.840 --> 1:55:05.880 how lopsided will the violence be. Will the violence be 1:55:06.720 --> 1:55:12.240 one state armed by its allies massacreing an under you know, 1:55:12.760 --> 1:55:16.640 equipped military, and then civilians until there's no one left 1:55:16.640 --> 1:55:20.560 of the people who inhabited that area. Um or will 1:55:20.560 --> 1:55:23.160 those people have the equipment to defend themselves? Like that? 1:55:23.320 --> 1:55:26.280 That's the question. There's no, there's no the situation. The 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:28.680 only way for the situation to not be violent is 1:55:28.720 --> 1:55:32.120 for Zerbaijan to not do what they're doing right now. 1:55:32.840 --> 1:55:36.120 Um And hey, if if some sort of fucking diplomatic 1:55:36.160 --> 1:55:39.680 pressure works, I will I will be unbelievably psyched to 1:55:39.760 --> 1:55:42.280 eat both of our words in this if the fucking 1:55:43.160 --> 1:55:45.560 blinken manages to I don't. I don't. Yeah, I have 1:55:45.600 --> 1:55:49.360 no idea, like how how you actually have an impact here? 1:55:49.400 --> 1:55:52.400 But that would be lovely. I just don't think it's likely. Yeah, 1:55:52.440 --> 1:55:54.640 there's I mean, don't be wrong. There's a time for 1:55:54.640 --> 1:55:57.800 diplomacy in that time ends when troops attempt across the 1:55:57.800 --> 1:56:00.440 border or they start cluster bombing our cities. Like there's 1:56:00.440 --> 1:56:03.240 there's a time for diplomacy and not that you can 1:56:03.440 --> 1:56:06.400 do two things at once. And and to be completely clear, 1:56:06.400 --> 1:56:08.520 I'm not calling for like the hundred and first to 1:56:08.600 --> 1:56:11.280 fucking land in Yovan or whatever. Like, I don't want 1:56:11.400 --> 1:56:13.800 the American military to come here. We'll take care of ourselves, 1:56:13.840 --> 1:56:17.280 but we need the tools to do so. And the 1:56:17.320 --> 1:56:21.240 fact remains is like you can be vehemently against war. 1:56:21.440 --> 1:56:23.960 I know I am. I fought in them. They fucking suck. 1:56:24.200 --> 1:56:26.800 I do not want war to happen to anybody, But 1:56:27.400 --> 1:56:31.520 when they when it comes, talking is over, or at 1:56:31.600 --> 1:56:34.400 least it it hits the back burner. Like there's negotiations 1:56:34.440 --> 1:56:37.280 going on in Ukraine and Russia that we don't hear about, 1:56:37.640 --> 1:56:39.840 but at the same time, Ukraine knows they have to 1:56:39.880 --> 1:56:44.400 continue doing violence in the meantime, Like you can't. You 1:56:44.440 --> 1:56:46.680 can't just like whoa, guys, let's just hit the brakes 1:56:46.680 --> 1:56:49.560 and let's like have a fucking peace conference in Belgium 1:56:49.640 --> 1:56:53.720 or whatever. Like Sun is being bombed, Gorgious is being bought, 1:56:53.720 --> 1:56:56.240 like our Meenians are dying, Like there's no words that 1:56:56.280 --> 1:57:00.120 will fix that, but we'll fix it as fucking artillery system, 1:57:00.320 --> 1:57:04.040 high mars, GPS, guided weapons, fucking body armor. We don't 1:57:04.040 --> 1:57:06.600 even have first aid kits, Like there's there's there's things 1:57:06.640 --> 1:57:11.760 that we need that can happen in addition to political pressure, 1:57:11.840 --> 1:57:13.880 because political pressure is great if we ever have it, 1:57:14.320 --> 1:57:16.600 but there needs to be something in the meantime, Like 1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:22.000 the Director of Doctors without borders. One time said, um, 1:57:22.280 --> 1:57:24.800 something that was incredibly controversial when he said, because he's 1:57:24.840 --> 1:57:27.200 a doctor and he runs you know, a charity. He said, 1:57:28.040 --> 1:57:31.200 you can't stop a genocide with doctors. And he meant 1:57:31.200 --> 1:57:33.920 that you need to give people fucking weapons because you 1:57:33.920 --> 1:57:36.120 know there's like like we already said, and then I'll 1:57:36.120 --> 1:57:40.000 promise they'll stop talking. Um, there's two ways that this ends. 1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:43.720 We defend ourselves and we survive, or you sit by 1:57:43.720 --> 1:57:46.680 and you do nothing, and uh, there's thousands of more 1:57:46.720 --> 1:57:49.560 graves full of Armenians by the end of this. That's it. 1:57:49.840 --> 1:57:52.000 I mean, once upon a time the world said never again, 1:57:52.120 --> 1:57:54.400 and that ship has had a big fucking asterix next 1:57:54.400 --> 1:57:56.960 to it ever since. And people need to prove themselves. 1:57:57.040 --> 1:58:00.320 You need to fucking prove the words actually mean things. 1:58:00.880 --> 1:58:02.760 If you want to defend democracies and ship like you 1:58:02.760 --> 1:58:05.120 do in Ukraine. I have a democracy for you to 1:58:05.160 --> 1:58:09.720 defend and we need weapons. Yeah. I think that's as 1:58:09.720 --> 1:58:11.720 good a note as I need to end on joke 1:58:11.760 --> 1:58:16.720 A sabian Um Host of Lions led by Donkeys, author 1:58:16.760 --> 1:58:19.600 of The Hooligans of Kandahar. You've got other bunch of 1:58:19.600 --> 1:58:22.280 other books that have come out now. Yeah, I have 1:58:22.320 --> 1:58:25.080 the Victory of Death series out if you enjoy military 1:58:25.080 --> 1:58:27.600 sci fi. Uh, and I have another one coming out 1:58:27.680 --> 1:58:32.120 in October called The Frontier Corps. You can preorder it now. 1:58:32.320 --> 1:58:36.040 Um if you look on my Twitter, um, you can 1:58:36.280 --> 1:58:38.680 find a link to preorder it. It's free if you 1:58:38.760 --> 1:58:43.120 have um Kindle unlimited, so you know, if for the book. 1:58:43.720 --> 1:58:48.120 Um so yeah. Also if you don't feel like giving 1:58:48.160 --> 1:58:50.400 me money, that's that's great to donate to the Armenian 1:58:50.400 --> 1:58:56.080 and Red Cross. They need it more than I do. Yeah. Um, 1:58:56.120 --> 1:59:17.080 all right, everybody, that's the episode. Um, alright, hey, welcome 1:59:17.120 --> 1:59:20.800 to it could happen here podcast. But things falling apart 1:59:20.840 --> 1:59:25.400 and putting them back together. And this is another Andrew episode. 1:59:25.680 --> 1:59:29.880 So hello Ulu, yes, greetings, we have we have we 1:59:29.920 --> 1:59:34.480 have Chris, we have James, we have myself, and we 1:59:34.600 --> 1:59:38.120 have Andrew obviously, who I'm going to hand the reins 1:59:38.160 --> 1:59:43.880 off to. Awesome, So hello again to another episode of 1:59:45.480 --> 1:59:52.920 me talking about different stuff. Um and quite fittingly, considering 1:59:53.000 --> 1:59:58.520 to these the d that Queen Elizabeth has passed into 1:59:59.280 --> 2:00:02.160 the pits of hell. Um, we are we are deeply 2:00:02.280 --> 2:00:04.800 as as a citizen under the Commonwealth, we are deeply 2:00:04.840 --> 2:00:11.800 saddened by the lost colleagues have reached out to me 2:00:11.880 --> 2:00:18.720 today and I am okay, guys, is so funny. Today 2:00:18.760 --> 2:00:23.280 we will be discussing a current member of the Commonwealth 2:00:24.160 --> 2:00:30.520 um one of quite a few twin island nations in 2:00:30.560 --> 2:00:36.000 the Caribbean, that being Antigua and Barbuda, and more specifically Barbuda. 2:00:36.880 --> 2:00:41.080 Barbuda is an example of African resilience. It's an example 2:00:41.120 --> 2:00:44.880 of a society in touch with this environment. It's an 2:00:44.920 --> 2:00:49.040 example of the capability of the commons as an institution, 2:00:50.000 --> 2:00:56.120 and it's an example of sticking it to the crown. 2:00:56.800 --> 2:01:00.640 To be quite honest as you, all right, I mean, 2:01:00.920 --> 2:01:05.640 I'm excited to learn more about that. How how yes, So, 2:01:05.680 --> 2:01:08.800 I don't think many people know about Bobuda and its history. 2:01:08.920 --> 2:01:10.960 I doubt most people could place it on a map, 2:01:11.960 --> 2:01:22.520 but it's it. It represents quite the interesting story. So 2:01:22.640 --> 2:01:26.880 to begin, I should probably explain what what is a Bobuda. 2:01:27.920 --> 2:01:30.880 Barbuda is an island located in the Eastern Caribbean, forming 2:01:30.920 --> 2:01:33.680 part of the sovereign state of Antigua and Barbuda. It's 2:01:33.760 --> 2:01:36.280 located north of the island of Antigua and it's part 2:01:36.280 --> 2:01:39.560 of the Leeward Islands for the West Indies. It comprises 2:01:39.560 --> 2:01:44.720 about sixty two square miles, so it is about sixty 2:01:44.720 --> 2:01:48.960 two square miles which is a hundred and sixty kilometers 2:01:49.120 --> 2:01:53.240 and it's one of the flattest islands in the Caribbean. 2:01:53.600 --> 2:01:56.320 It's soils are very shallow and in foods. Islands a 2:01:56.480 --> 2:02:03.440 very arid island with very little rainfall and very frequent routs. 2:02:04.120 --> 2:02:07.560 Its scrub willderness is roamed by day and pigs and 2:02:09.000 --> 2:02:12.720 descendants of the animals that early European traders and settlers 2:02:12.720 --> 2:02:16.240 would have imported. It also has a pre settlement ever 2:02:16.320 --> 2:02:21.320 green woodland that consists of white cedar, turpentine and white wood, 2:02:21.640 --> 2:02:26.480 alongside columnar cactus and thorny shrubs and grassy glades and 2:02:27.400 --> 2:02:32.000 soils that have been another species that have grown up 2:02:32.000 --> 2:02:36.120 in soils that have been degraded by the clearance of 2:02:37.440 --> 2:02:43.680 charcoal burning and grazing and just general human activity. Most 2:02:43.720 --> 2:02:47.680 bob Udan's i would say engage in shifting cultivation, but 2:02:47.800 --> 2:02:51.560 none of them are full time farmers. The countryside is 2:02:52.200 --> 2:02:56.040 mostly uninhabited because the law required that all barb Udans 2:02:56.080 --> 2:02:58.920 lived in or near the island's one village which is 2:02:58.960 --> 2:03:05.200 Quadrington and there, according to eleven census, there were roughly 2:03:06.880 --> 2:03:09.840 four people on the island. Of course, that has changed 2:03:09.880 --> 2:03:14.960 in recent times, and we'll get into that shortly. Barbuda 2:03:15.240 --> 2:03:20.680 is yet another example of a distinctive community emerging out 2:03:20.720 --> 2:03:26.400 of the colonial era that swept through the Caribbean. I've 2:03:26.560 --> 2:03:29.920 mentioned the Maroons before, the different marine communities that have 2:03:30.000 --> 2:03:35.960 existed on the different Caribbean islands and in Guyana and Surnam. 2:03:36.040 --> 2:03:42.280 But I think Bobuda and their story represents really the 2:03:42.320 --> 2:03:49.360 diversity of how colonialism manifested um in the region. Barbula's 2:03:49.440 --> 2:03:53.840 people have a sense of identity and attachment to locality 2:03:54.960 --> 2:04:03.920 that is I think very distinctive and very unique among 2:04:04.360 --> 2:04:06.320 people of the Caribbean. Not to say that the rest 2:04:06.320 --> 2:04:09.720 of us don't have a sense of identity or attachment locality, 2:04:10.000 --> 2:04:17.120 but their story and the tradition reaches back over two 2:04:17.160 --> 2:04:27.520 centuries of near independence and quite significant levels of autonomy, 2:04:27.600 --> 2:04:31.800 which was unheard of in most of the Caribbean due 2:04:31.840 --> 2:04:36.480 to the legacy of slavery. Representing a very close knit 2:04:36.520 --> 2:04:40.040 and traditional community probably runs approach to using and student 2:04:40.080 --> 2:04:45.520 the resources reflects that long legacy of isolation, of ecological 2:04:45.560 --> 2:04:49.040 constraint being on such a small island, of familial closeness, 2:04:49.080 --> 2:04:53.560 having such a small population, and of social interdependence. Considering 2:04:53.640 --> 2:04:57.400 the series of administrators that they had dealt with, and 2:04:57.480 --> 2:05:01.800 how each of those administrators neglect did or ignored them. 2:05:01.960 --> 2:05:04.720 Bob Dans, both whom and abroad, are still very much 2:05:04.720 --> 2:05:09.800 attached to their island because they have long held it 2:05:09.880 --> 2:05:15.440 in common. So we'll be diving into a brief history 2:05:15.680 --> 2:05:21.360 of exactly how they reached this point, what institutions they've 2:05:21.360 --> 2:05:26.080 developed for common ownership and community land use, and how 2:05:26.160 --> 2:05:31.520 emigration has played a role in that, and unfortunately, how 2:05:32.360 --> 2:05:37.760 the combination of Hurricane Irma and the doctrine and the 2:05:37.800 --> 2:05:44.480 shock doctrine have contributed to their current situation. So for 2:05:44.560 --> 2:05:47.919 more than two hundred years, from the late seventeenth century, 2:05:48.320 --> 2:05:53.280 Barbuda was leased by the crown to one family, the Cardringtons, 2:05:54.240 --> 2:05:58.000 hence the name of the village being Quadringtons. The originally 2:05:58.080 --> 2:06:00.360 c was a guy named Christopher Cauldring and he was 2:06:00.400 --> 2:06:06.320 the governor of the Leeward Islands and his ears lived 2:06:06.320 --> 2:06:10.200 in England, so they pretty much neglected it. After year died, 2:06:12.280 --> 2:06:18.879 Barbuda would have supplemented the lucrative sugar. States that Cardrickton 2:06:19.000 --> 2:06:23.960 had an antigua with timber and ground provisions and fish 2:06:24.040 --> 2:06:30.400 and livestock and draft animals. Barbuda, being surrounded by coral reefs, 2:06:30.440 --> 2:06:33.040 often had ships wrecked near the island, and so they 2:06:33.080 --> 2:06:37.040 also salvage resources from lewder ships and so as late 2:06:37.080 --> 2:06:40.360 as in the eighteen fifties, the Carrington's were getting four 2:06:40.480 --> 2:06:43.560 thousand pounds a year from Barbuda and stock, and three 2:06:43.680 --> 2:06:47.040 hundred pounds a year from salvage in operations on the island. 2:06:48.040 --> 2:06:52.120 That's just over sixty three thousand pounds today per year. 2:06:52.960 --> 2:06:55.960 And it just demonstrats, of course, and even though they 2:06:56.000 --> 2:07:03.280 were more independent than most other slave people, because the 2:07:03.320 --> 2:07:08.120 island wasn't as profitable, they were still being exploited. Initially, 2:07:09.200 --> 2:07:11.920 the island was only worked by a few indentured whites, 2:07:12.000 --> 2:07:16.000 but then when enslaved people were brought in from Africa, 2:07:16.200 --> 2:07:20.400 the enslave population began to rise, and they began to 2:07:20.480 --> 2:07:23.920 establish that sort of culture and community that received to 2:07:23.960 --> 2:07:28.280 this day. Because they were neglected because the island was 2:07:28.960 --> 2:07:32.600 very little inhabited, they housed and they fed themselves through 2:07:32.680 --> 2:07:37.320 their own efforts, and we're basically spared of the rigors 2:07:37.600 --> 2:07:43.320 of the plantation regiment because of how unprofitable the island 2:07:43.440 --> 2:07:48.120 was because it's soils were so sandy and arid and unfertile. 2:07:50.120 --> 2:07:55.280 So between eighteen hundred and eighty two, being free in 2:07:55.720 --> 2:07:59.320 many respects, probably this population was able to rise from 2:07:59.360 --> 2:08:02.600 three dred to five hundred, and they are able to 2:08:02.920 --> 2:08:08.600 a cohesive creole community whose solidarity was able to thwart 2:08:08.640 --> 2:08:14.360 the efforts of local overseers and absentee proprietors to try 2:08:14.400 --> 2:08:17.960 to get them to labor on anti unites states or 2:08:18.080 --> 2:08:21.840 to get them to be more quote and quote productive 2:08:22.600 --> 2:08:29.120 um for their overseers. Because they had such a several 2:08:29.240 --> 2:08:33.240 hundred strong community on that island that had established itself 2:08:33.600 --> 2:08:37.560 for generations, no overseers, no manager, could just pull up 2:08:37.560 --> 2:08:40.240 in there and just say try and cooce them into 2:08:40.280 --> 2:08:44.000 doing what he wanted them to do. This is installed 2:08:44.040 --> 2:08:45.760 contrast to a lot of the other Criban islands, where 2:08:45.800 --> 2:08:48.960 managers and overseers had a lot more presence and a 2:08:48.960 --> 2:08:52.480 lot more power to destroy families, to split up communities, 2:08:52.600 --> 2:08:58.120 to ferment divisions. Because the island just they basically neglected 2:08:58.120 --> 2:09:01.520 it and in that neglect, to advantage of that neglect, 2:09:01.640 --> 2:09:04.680 of the material conditions that created that neglect, to strengthen 2:09:04.720 --> 2:09:09.600 their community bonds and to strengthen their autonomy. As emancipation 2:09:10.480 --> 2:09:17.120 came around, car Drinton himself even was like, Wow, good 2:09:17.120 --> 2:09:21.480 for them pretty much because almost all of them, who were, 2:09:21.520 --> 2:09:26.120 like to quote him directly, one united family, so attached 2:09:26.200 --> 2:09:29.240 to bob Udell that force alone or extreme drought can 2:09:29.280 --> 2:09:32.680 alone take them from that island. In other words, as 2:09:32.720 --> 2:09:37.280 an exploit as a displaced indigenous African people, they reforged 2:09:37.280 --> 2:09:40.400 the connection to the new land that they inhabited and 2:09:41.440 --> 2:09:44.920 rooted themselves in that land. One one particular tradition they 2:09:44.920 --> 2:09:47.600 have is the burial of ones in Biblical code on 2:09:47.640 --> 2:09:50.280 the island itself, and so that's been going on for generations. 2:09:50.280 --> 2:09:53.360 With a new child is born and the Embiblical code 2:09:53.440 --> 2:09:56.919 is buried on the island. And so even Bobudens move abroad, 2:09:57.000 --> 2:10:00.280 they still have that strong tie to the island it's self. 2:10:02.200 --> 2:10:06.040 So after emancipation ruled around in eighteen three four, probably 2:10:06.160 --> 2:10:09.000 in life didn't change that much. That the transition from 2:10:09.280 --> 2:10:13.960 slavery to being free was not as abrupt or as 2:10:14.040 --> 2:10:16.720 consequential as it was in other parts of the Caribbean. 2:10:17.320 --> 2:10:20.760 They didn't become landowners, they didn't necessarily get any political 2:10:20.760 --> 2:10:24.760 power automatically because probably there was still being assigned to 2:10:24.840 --> 2:10:31.240 crown leases which had certain um agreements and contracts in 2:10:31.280 --> 2:10:35.440 place with the Crown, that kind of thing. But they 2:10:35.440 --> 2:10:39.680 were I mean, they were still being exploited, but things 2:10:39.720 --> 2:10:42.440 were a bit easier for them to transition compared to 2:10:43.080 --> 2:10:47.480 other places. In eighteen thirty five, agreements had secured probably 2:10:47.480 --> 2:10:51.960 the unemployment on conjuring turn empress enterprises at specific rates 2:10:51.960 --> 2:10:56.200 to pay. But after the contract had lapsed, it really 2:10:56.200 --> 2:11:00.720 revooted to a sort of relationship of of coersion. They 2:11:00.760 --> 2:11:04.160 wouldn't pay them, they wouldn't pay them their wages. They 2:11:04.160 --> 2:11:07.920 would take quote and quote ricalcutu and prob udans and 2:11:08.480 --> 2:11:14.360 transport them to Antigue and jails or plantations, and they 2:11:14.400 --> 2:11:17.160 would continue to just siphon off of the island. One 2:11:17.200 --> 2:11:19.920 of the only exports really on the island at the 2:11:20.000 --> 2:11:29.200 time was cattle, mostly for Carrington's estates and Antigua cattle, sheep, 2:11:29.320 --> 2:11:32.800 and firewood. And the people themselves were engaged in cultivating 2:11:32.920 --> 2:11:39.520 provisions yams, potatoes, corn, and supplying their own farmer history. 2:11:39.560 --> 2:11:44.720 They were including the necessities. So Abudans would continue with 2:11:44.840 --> 2:11:49.440 their different occupations, their hunting and they're fishing, their provision 2:11:49.480 --> 2:11:52.560 intending their cutting wood and put in charcoal and salvage 2:11:52.560 --> 2:11:55.760 and wrecks. Sometimes would they would be employed by proprietors 2:11:55.760 --> 2:11:59.760 with governments, but most times they either disregarded these authorities 2:11:59.880 --> 2:12:03.400 or acted in open defiance. And so as the state 2:12:03.440 --> 2:12:08.240 would often complain about bob Uduans and their disregard for 2:12:09.320 --> 2:12:14.080 the crowns property and the estates property, they would often 2:12:14.120 --> 2:12:18.200 be accused of poaching Cortinon's cattle, and so they will 2:12:18.640 --> 2:12:21.840 There was one attempt in particular to seize all their 2:12:21.920 --> 2:12:26.120 guns and send them off of the Ireland. And so 2:12:26.160 --> 2:12:30.560 when the government did step in and condemned Bobby Duns 2:12:30.680 --> 2:12:35.440 for you know, taking cattle when they wanted to take cattle, 2:12:36.080 --> 2:12:41.160 Bobby Duns basically pull an reverse card and demanded redress 2:12:41.240 --> 2:12:46.840 against interference with their livelihoods. They basically were like, I'll 2:12:46.880 --> 2:12:51.040 quote one petition that was written by Bob Dunces in 2:12:51.080 --> 2:12:54.800 eighteen we are deprived of the use of our firearms, 2:12:54.840 --> 2:12:57.760 where by most of us live in shooting any large fish, 2:12:57.840 --> 2:13:00.720 tootill or wild birds. We are told to take old licenses, 2:13:00.800 --> 2:13:03.120 yet if we are seen with a gun, not even shooting, 2:13:03.360 --> 2:13:08.320 we're taken before the Mages Street of Antigua and severely punished, 2:13:08.440 --> 2:13:11.400 punished for it. Our little gardens are gone to waste. 2:13:11.480 --> 2:13:15.160 And if such as still in a little cultivation was 2:13:15.200 --> 2:13:17.720 to be injured by weather and we by sickness are 2:13:17.720 --> 2:13:20.960 not able to have the fences repaired directly, it has taken. 2:13:21.040 --> 2:13:23.280 And Bruin say, our intention is willing to catch the 2:13:23.280 --> 2:13:29.120 wild beasts of Mr Cardrington's. Eventually, I guess the Cardring 2:13:29.200 --> 2:13:36.280 terms got tired of having to not profit as well 2:13:36.320 --> 2:13:38.000 as they could have, of having to deal with these 2:13:38.040 --> 2:13:41.480 independent people. Their relinquished on their least. In eighteen seventy 2:13:41.520 --> 2:13:43.800 they took all their horses and cattle of the island, 2:13:44.280 --> 2:13:47.280 leaving only the day and sheep because he currently round 2:13:47.320 --> 2:13:51.120 up day and sheep as effectively at that point, and 2:13:51.160 --> 2:13:54.680 they basically they left um. And I always find it 2:13:54.720 --> 2:13:58.040 interested when Europeans bring like a bunch of European animals 2:13:58.080 --> 2:14:00.120 wherever they go. It's like, let me just go and 2:14:00.200 --> 2:14:02.280 set up an estate here in a middle of no 2:14:02.320 --> 2:14:04.920 way and introduce a bunch of deer and sheep and 2:14:05.040 --> 2:14:06.720 rabbits and stuff. I mean, I think it happened in 2:14:06.760 --> 2:14:09.120 Australia as well. They just let a bunch of rabbish 2:14:09.200 --> 2:14:12.040 school loose just for hunting. It's like, oh, let me 2:14:12.560 --> 2:14:18.880 like get a hobby that's not shooting animals. But anyway, 2:14:21.560 --> 2:14:24.720 so because bubbly they were seen as unprofitable. Each lea 2:14:24.840 --> 2:14:28.200 see that you know, got their least from the Crown, 2:14:29.000 --> 2:14:31.000 got it its resources as much as they could and 2:14:31.040 --> 2:14:37.640 neglected its inhabitants. William and Robert Dougal of William and 2:14:37.720 --> 2:14:41.400 Robert Dougal's probably with the Island Company, never invested the 2:14:41.440 --> 2:14:45.800 annual one point five or one hundred pounds required by 2:14:45.800 --> 2:14:49.000 the least only seven hundred pounds rather than they promised. 2:14:49.000 --> 2:14:53.000 Six thousand worth of stock were introduced with Bailey. With Bailey, 2:14:53.040 --> 2:14:57.160 a score Pubulans employed as craeziers, and even though they 2:14:57.720 --> 2:15:04.440 allegedly attempted to plant u swetten, coffee, coola, cuckoo another fruits, 2:15:05.400 --> 2:15:11.280 they neglected that too, and eventually a derelict. Probably theo 2:15:11.440 --> 2:15:13.360 was forfeited to the Crown for a non payment of 2:15:13.440 --> 2:15:18.600 friend when a government official visited the island, we found 2:15:18.760 --> 2:15:22.080 the day were almost exterminated. The satin wood and log 2:15:22.120 --> 2:15:25.440 would be depleted, the cattle were famished, the fences would disrepair. 2:15:26.120 --> 2:15:29.360 They had four mens around up about on horses, ate 2:15:29.400 --> 2:15:32.680 a cattle and a bunch of cows, and the two 2:15:32.720 --> 2:15:35.200 products that existed on the island had long since become 2:15:35.280 --> 2:15:39.080 filthy and fariously overgrown, not only with bush but dense tickets. 2:15:40.400 --> 2:15:44.480 Dr Dougal's gunners also apparently had a really bad sense 2:15:44.520 --> 2:15:48.000 of aim because a lot of defences were just riddled 2:15:48.000 --> 2:15:51.560 with bullets. And so because the island and the people 2:15:51.560 --> 2:15:54.720 were starbed and degraded by the dow calls Um, the 2:15:54.760 --> 2:16:01.800 Colonial Office had you know, revoked their lease and basically 2:16:01.800 --> 2:16:04.080 excuse the few villagers who were taken some of the 2:16:04.120 --> 2:16:12.040 cattle for themselves. Babbulans had also protested the fact that 2:16:12.320 --> 2:16:15.600 whenever these leases would pull up on their island, they 2:16:15.640 --> 2:16:20.520 would always be taking their stock, closing their provision grounds, 2:16:20.960 --> 2:16:26.640 trying to evict them basically doing everything they could be 2:16:26.840 --> 2:16:29.840 hostile towards people on the island, and so only their 2:16:29.920 --> 2:16:35.120 own traditional hunting and farming and and stuff enabled Probbu 2:16:35.200 --> 2:16:39.400 Dans to survive of course, government being the government didn't 2:16:39.400 --> 2:16:42.480 really care what the people that much, so even though 2:16:42.480 --> 2:16:46.840 the lease holders were gone, didn't really get much out 2:16:46.879 --> 2:16:51.119 of it the people that is stain. After determination lease, 2:16:52.200 --> 2:16:57.040 the Cluonial government, the Leeward Islands Cluonial governments and Antigua 2:16:57.160 --> 2:17:00.959 basically took over the island and they established the Government 2:17:01.000 --> 2:17:07.120 stock Farm one some cotton plots in nineteen three UM. 2:17:07.200 --> 2:17:10.240 They gave some grants to pay for fencing and cutting 2:17:10.240 --> 2:17:14.359 wood and cotton experiments and cattle bud chases and mule breeding, 2:17:14.480 --> 2:17:18.360 and the Bobby runs took the government greens and lands 2:17:18.360 --> 2:17:24.440 with their own purposes and basically enclosed a portion of 2:17:24.480 --> 2:17:30.039 that land and left it for the government stock and 2:17:30.120 --> 2:17:32.360 left the rest of the pasture, the richest parts of 2:17:32.360 --> 2:17:35.600 the pasture for their own horses and cattle and donkeys. 2:17:36.600 --> 2:17:40.120 So while the government had to deal with like this 2:17:40.720 --> 2:17:48.200 small portion of land with like some very weak, insufficient meadow, 2:17:49.120 --> 2:17:52.360 the rest of the community was able to flourish with 2:17:52.480 --> 2:17:56.480 a nice, rich pasture for their cattle. And still despite 2:17:56.520 --> 2:17:59.320 that the stock farm, the Government stock farm, still flourished 2:17:59.560 --> 2:18:02.560 with during sixty whoses a hundred eight cattle and five 2:18:02.720 --> 2:18:09.400 mules and then the cotton surprisingly also became profitable on 2:18:09.400 --> 2:18:14.520 the island. Um I called a crop that really didn't flourish. 2:18:14.560 --> 2:18:17.680 They are told during slavery was now tating to pick up. 2:18:17.840 --> 2:18:21.800 In the beginning of the early twentie century. We began 2:18:21.920 --> 2:18:25.039 shipping caught note and employing a bunch of Barby Dan's 2:18:25.120 --> 2:18:31.680 and now Bobby there was being scheme is a superprofitable place. However, 2:18:33.320 --> 2:18:36.959 because of that cotton boom, Bobby Dan's were able to 2:18:37.040 --> 2:18:39.720 buy passage overseas, they were able to raise the standard 2:18:39.760 --> 2:18:45.200 of living, and it ended up causing a labor shortage 2:18:46.800 --> 2:18:52.039 that led to conflict. After a shipwreck off the island, 2:18:53.879 --> 2:18:59.600 the island manager went to check out what was going 2:18:59.640 --> 2:19:02.880 on with the salvage and and he caught a bunch 2:19:02.879 --> 2:19:08.200 of Bubu Dans salvage in but salvage and for their 2:19:08.240 --> 2:19:10.879 own profits instead of his profits. And so in retaliation, 2:19:10.879 --> 2:19:14.760 in retaliation for him trying to stop them from salvage 2:19:14.760 --> 2:19:19.480 and for themselves, the Bobby Duns burnt his boat and 2:19:19.640 --> 2:19:24.560 his wagon, and so in retaliation for that, the governor 2:19:24.560 --> 2:19:28.760 of Antigo started to impose these previously uninforced rents and 2:19:28.879 --> 2:19:32.720 cultivated plots. So like he wanted to charge like five 2:19:32.720 --> 2:19:36.920 shillings per equal per year, and he also doubled animal 2:19:36.959 --> 2:19:44.840 head taxes. And so by introducing these taxes, introducing these rents, 2:19:45.120 --> 2:19:48.040 the government's basically trying to get not just to punish 2:19:48.040 --> 2:19:52.080 the people for you know, daring to be free, but 2:19:52.200 --> 2:19:55.520 also trying to force them to work on their cotton plantation. 2:19:57.280 --> 2:20:00.600 Of course, Bob you Don's, having live so freely for 2:20:00.640 --> 2:20:04.880 so long, didn't want to work on these cotton plantations, 2:20:05.080 --> 2:20:12.160 especially not after slavery um. And so the people petitioned 2:20:12.320 --> 2:20:16.440 the crown against this kind of semi intentioned suitude that 2:20:16.520 --> 2:20:23.200 the governor was trying to introduce. And it seems that 2:20:23.280 --> 2:20:27.360 mother nature was on their side because they want their case. 2:20:27.840 --> 2:20:32.480 Due to drought, all the crops were basically ruined by drought, 2:20:33.520 --> 2:20:40.560 cutting on cotton profits, um cutting on cattle profits, cuttling 2:20:40.600 --> 2:20:45.520 on crops on corn profits. And all this happened in 2:20:45.600 --> 2:20:50.800 nineteen six and then in Barbado was hit by a 2:20:50.920 --> 2:20:56.920 hurricane more severe than they've ever seen before. And so 2:20:58.360 --> 2:21:02.560 that brief period where Barbido as seen as strike and 2:21:02.600 --> 2:21:06.120 google for the government came to an end, and bob 2:21:06.200 --> 2:21:09.920 Udans continued to cling on to their customary modes, subsistence, 2:21:10.280 --> 2:21:14.200 of self reliance, of survival of their plots and their 2:21:14.240 --> 2:21:17.800 livestock and their fishing grounds, of continuing to be their 2:21:17.800 --> 2:21:21.240 own masters, because two d and fifty years of experience 2:21:21.280 --> 2:21:25.640 had taught them how unreliable and exploitative all these other 2:21:25.680 --> 2:21:30.039 alternatives that bosses non natives that the government was trying 2:21:30.040 --> 2:21:36.560 to introduce woo to them, and they learned that only 2:21:36.640 --> 2:21:41.800 ownership in common would guarantee their access and guarantee the 2:21:41.879 --> 2:21:49.039 protection of their island from environmental exploitation. As as we 2:21:49.080 --> 2:21:53.480 get to the interesting part, because they're already long thought 2:21:53.560 --> 2:21:57.720 to themselves as owners of the island, as possessing the 2:21:57.760 --> 2:22:01.199 island for themselves, even though on peep but it wasn't 2:22:01.240 --> 2:22:04.680 the case, even though on people they were being handled 2:22:04.720 --> 2:22:08.280 between the Crown and the different leaseholders. That the Crown 2:22:08.360 --> 2:22:17.720 would introduce Barbuda to Barbudaans, being so small, being so homogeneous, 2:22:17.800 --> 2:22:23.920 having such meager soils, having such strong and type connections 2:22:23.920 --> 2:22:28.720 and bonds, they saw it as all of theirs collectively. 2:22:32.200 --> 2:22:38.119 It wasn't like and when I say strong connections, family bonds, 2:22:38.120 --> 2:22:41.360 I don't mean it in the sense that some of 2:22:41.360 --> 2:22:45.760 the other in lands in the Caribbean, and was sort 2:22:45.760 --> 2:22:49.039 of puzzled out because in the Caribbean there are lands 2:22:49.080 --> 2:22:51.640 that are held by certain families and it passes down 2:22:51.680 --> 2:22:56.080 the family and going on for generations. But it wasn't 2:22:56.080 --> 2:22:59.080 this idea that all these particular families owned the land. 2:22:59.080 --> 2:23:03.600 It was that all of them together wound the land 2:23:04.760 --> 2:23:15.400 serious real communal land ownership. They'd used the land for generations, 2:23:15.959 --> 2:23:22.080 to raise ground provisions to hunt there and wild pigs, 2:23:22.320 --> 2:23:26.279 to keep goats and sheep, to keep cattle, to cut firewood, 2:23:26.360 --> 2:23:29.760 to fish, and so on. They had no documents and 2:23:29.800 --> 2:23:31.680 said that they had these collective rights on the island. 2:23:31.680 --> 2:23:35.640 And yet they all insisted with one voice the Barbuda 2:23:35.879 --> 2:23:40.080 was theirs. Healin no outsiders could tell them other wise. 2:23:42.040 --> 2:23:47.320 And furthermore, they had proven again and again and again 2:23:48.520 --> 2:23:53.760 that outside proprietors were powerless in the face of their 2:23:53.800 --> 2:23:57.520 attempts to run the island for themselves, because they would 2:23:57.560 --> 2:24:01.520 continue to graze the cattle wherever they wanted to graze 2:24:01.520 --> 2:24:03.600 their cattle. They will continue to fish wherever they wanted 2:24:03.640 --> 2:24:08.040 to fish, salvage whatever they wanted to salvage, cultivate wherever 2:24:08.080 --> 2:24:13.160 they wanted to cultivate. Who's gonna stop them, you know, 2:24:13.680 --> 2:24:19.360 clearly nobody. They couldn't even get outside. I couldn't even 2:24:19.360 --> 2:24:25.240 get like a rent out of prob you done so. 2:24:25.280 --> 2:24:29.440 In nineteen twenty Bobby Duns hadn't gotten legal entitlement roughly 2:24:29.480 --> 2:24:35.720 half of the island, and by three they controlled futually 2:24:35.840 --> 2:24:44.160 all of its resources, basically the facto unfortunately against their will. Honestly, 2:24:46.240 --> 2:24:50.720 Antigua and Barbuda were joined together by putting live in 2:24:50.720 --> 2:24:54.640 the strators, and so Antiguan Barbuda is the country that existity. 2:24:55.200 --> 2:25:00.080 But one of the primary concerns of Abudan's we're that 2:25:00.160 --> 2:25:04.480 they were able whether they be able to maintain soul ownership, 2:25:05.080 --> 2:25:09.640 soul control, soul compunal control over the lands of Barbuda. 2:25:11.840 --> 2:25:14.879 Land ownership has been an issue that bob Udon's have 2:25:14.920 --> 2:25:17.520 had with Antigua for a very very long time now, 2:25:17.600 --> 2:25:23.000 for decades now, and really all bob Udan's want is 2:25:23.040 --> 2:25:29.160 to maintain their common ownership for themselves alone, and so 2:25:29.200 --> 2:25:33.480 they have maintained that through the Barbudan Council defending the 2:25:33.560 --> 2:25:37.320 land and declaring that no land in Barbuda can be 2:25:37.360 --> 2:25:42.160 sold or developed without the permission of the Bubbudan Council. 2:25:43.680 --> 2:25:46.720 And so now to explain basically how common land use 2:25:46.840 --> 2:25:52.120 works in Barbuda, there are two distinctive and useful moods 2:25:52.280 --> 2:25:56.560 of land use. Shifting cultivation for provision grounds and open 2:25:56.680 --> 2:26:01.520 range pastured for livestock. Because there's oil is so weak, 2:26:01.920 --> 2:26:05.920 shifting cultivation is a necessity. And so after one or 2:26:05.959 --> 2:26:09.920 two years of planting exhaustive soil, they move their fencing, 2:26:10.080 --> 2:26:13.920 they move their grounds of between half an acre to 2:26:14.080 --> 2:26:19.200 two or three acres, and plants they are sweet potatoes, yams, 2:26:20.200 --> 2:26:25.240 me is, beans, pigeon ps, squash, peanuts, etcetera. Elsewhere. So 2:26:25.400 --> 2:26:31.520 the old land could you know, regenerate, but this constant 2:26:31.520 --> 2:26:36.800 cultivation is something that occurs. The grants really no permanent 2:26:36.879 --> 2:26:41.400 rights any one individual. You do have use rights. It 2:26:41.480 --> 2:26:45.879 is the principle of use of fruct over the area're cultivating, 2:26:46.640 --> 2:26:52.000 but you don't have permanent ownership over that piece of 2:26:52.080 --> 2:26:56.120 land that you're cultivating. And they have that system in 2:26:56.160 --> 2:26:59.000 place because they recognize living on the island for the 2:26:59.120 --> 2:27:04.560 generations that bob ut As ecology is extremely fragile, extremely 2:27:04.600 --> 2:27:10.120 limited um its resources are limited, and so they have 2:27:10.240 --> 2:27:18.039 to safeguard there um, the as sustenance for generations to come. Yeah, 2:27:18.040 --> 2:27:23.119 it's fascinating, Actually, it's really I didn't know anything about that. Yeah, yeah, 2:27:23.160 --> 2:27:27.120 it really is. Similarly with them with the slash and 2:27:27.120 --> 2:27:30.680 bloom cultivation, they also had the management of open range 2:27:30.760 --> 2:27:40.160 livestock being very much unrestricted. Um. They're actually feral cattle 2:27:40.920 --> 2:27:43.360 that exists on the island in addition to the more 2:27:43.400 --> 2:27:47.359 teamed and pen animals. Um. And so how they basically 2:27:47.360 --> 2:27:50.000 they allow all their animals, you know, mixed and mingo 2:27:51.040 --> 2:27:56.480 of different families and different individuals would have their specific 2:27:56.520 --> 2:27:59.760 cattle or horses or sheep or whatever a marked or branded. 2:28:00.360 --> 2:28:04.840 But for the most part, they they've maintained this sort 2:28:04.840 --> 2:28:09.000 of open range husbandry because it helps to sustain their unity. 2:28:10.200 --> 2:28:13.360 It helps to maintain their strengthen their social bonds and 2:28:13.400 --> 2:28:19.600 their community solidarity, to basically ensure that everyone has taken 2:28:19.600 --> 2:28:26.080 care of in a place that is so scant resources. Lastly, 2:28:29.360 --> 2:28:32.560 through one of the ways that they maintain in the 2:28:32.560 --> 2:28:37.080 balance of the island is through is through emigration. The 2:28:37.240 --> 2:28:42.039 population has basically stayed at that level because they've stayed 2:28:42.040 --> 2:28:44.840 within the limits of the resources they have on the 2:28:44.879 --> 2:28:49.640 island and so young, Bob, you don't have had to 2:28:49.720 --> 2:28:57.560 leave um the island, um while still maintaining their communal 2:28:57.680 --> 2:29:01.680 use rights to the land. And then eventually they would 2:29:01.680 --> 2:29:07.720 make remittances of money or resources and periodic returns that 2:29:07.800 --> 2:29:14.320 would help to introduce you know, healthcare resources and housing 2:29:14.360 --> 2:29:18.160 resources and education resources to the island. Just another day, 2:29:18.320 --> 2:29:21.080 like completely isolated from the outside world, living in this 2:29:21.200 --> 2:29:24.360 sort of bubble. They do still have that exchange going on. 2:29:25.600 --> 2:29:29.240 Most of the immigrants live in three primary communities, seeing 2:29:29.320 --> 2:29:34.400 John's Antigua of course, seeing as it's the neighbor. Um. 2:29:34.440 --> 2:29:36.280 A lot of them are in New York City, I 2:29:36.320 --> 2:29:38.640 mean a lot of Korean people in general New York City, 2:29:38.720 --> 2:29:42.000 but Bob Dan's are in New York City. And all 2:29:42.040 --> 2:29:47.360 of them also live in Britain in Leicester as part 2:29:47.440 --> 2:29:49.880 of the West Indian exodus that took place all the 2:29:49.920 --> 2:29:58.880 way back in the late nineteen fifties. Yeah, so sort 2:29:58.920 --> 2:30:06.039 of wrap things here. Um. Their communities and their solidarity 2:30:06.240 --> 2:30:08.280 have allowed them to cope with a harsh environment and 2:30:08.400 --> 2:30:16.279 to successfully navigate a succession of misinformed aloof sometimes actually 2:30:16.320 --> 2:30:23.039 hostile and mostly incompetent proprietors managers and administrators. Being so 2:30:23.160 --> 2:30:26.200 unified and holding themselves in solidarity, they have managed to 2:30:26.280 --> 2:30:31.119 maintain their traditional resource ownership, their communal land tenure, and 2:30:31.400 --> 2:30:41.600 their fragile ecology completely and totally UM rejecting the assocutions 2:30:41.680 --> 2:30:45.840 that the economist carried hard and made about the tragedy 2:30:46.200 --> 2:30:49.640 of the commons, it has not been a tragedy for 2:30:49.720 --> 2:30:57.560 what you've done. It has been a triumph until recently. Unfortunately, 2:30:57.720 --> 2:31:05.360 in September, how Urricane Uma damaged and destroyed of the 2:31:05.400 --> 2:31:10.120 islands buildings and infrastructure, and as a result, all of 2:31:10.160 --> 2:31:14.440 the island's inhabitants had to evacuate Antiguo, leaving Babbuda empty 2:31:14.520 --> 2:31:19.840 for the first time in hundreds of years wow, I 2:31:19.879 --> 2:31:24.080 mean two years later. By February, most of the residents 2:31:24.080 --> 2:31:29.640 have returned to the island. However, the Prime Minister of Antiguo, 2:31:31.200 --> 2:31:36.920 Gaston Alfonso Brown he's been leader since UM, has been 2:31:36.959 --> 2:31:46.560 making moves essentially to privatize Barbuda. His background before entering 2:31:46.600 --> 2:31:52.800 politics was being a banker and a businessman, and he 2:31:52.879 --> 2:31:57.240 seems to be employing the shock doctor and tactic of 2:31:57.400 --> 2:32:07.760 using environmental catastrophe and social displacement. Two accelerate capitalism. Essentially, 2:32:08.440 --> 2:32:11.959 after you know, hurricaneum I swept through Um and posted 2:32:12.000 --> 2:32:20.240 residents became homeless, communication systems came went went down Um 2:32:20.320 --> 2:32:27.800 and taking Bobulda God relief pounds of relief for Barbuda Um. 2:32:27.800 --> 2:32:36.360 That's not very much, not very much at all, Um. 2:32:36.400 --> 2:32:40.520 But it would take over a hundred million dollars to 2:32:40.920 --> 2:32:45.400 rebuild the homes in the infrastructure in barb udell Um, 2:32:45.480 --> 2:32:48.560 the old critical infrastructure that existed, the food supply, the medicine, 2:32:48.600 --> 2:32:56.600 the shelter, electricity, water, communications, waste management and as one 2:32:56.640 --> 2:33:01.360 person said, UM the directive take in Barbula's National Office 2:33:01.360 --> 2:33:04.440 of the Disaster Services film Melon. He said, in my 2:33:04.480 --> 2:33:07.440 twenty five years of disaster management, I've never seen something 2:33:07.480 --> 2:33:10.560 like this. It is optimistic to think anything like this 2:33:10.800 --> 2:33:13.760 be rebuilt in six months. They have to rebuild entirely 2:33:14.520 --> 2:33:20.120 all of their public utilities UM. And so essentially what 2:33:22.200 --> 2:33:25.640 Prime Minister Gaston or funds who Brown is trying to 2:33:25.680 --> 2:33:36.119 do is revoke communal landownership, allow the residents to buy 2:33:36.200 --> 2:33:42.800 some land and use the rest to basically introduce UM 2:33:43.040 --> 2:33:52.840 resorts and who tells and other to risk attractions to 2:33:52.959 --> 2:33:57.840 help fund the rebuilding efforts, but of course we know 2:33:57.879 --> 2:34:00.760 the way that money is actually going to go. And 2:34:01.800 --> 2:34:05.800 that's as far as I know about the situation. UM. Unfortunately, 2:34:05.840 --> 2:34:11.640 don't have any connections in Antihuan Barbuda yet. UM, But 2:34:13.480 --> 2:34:16.520 unfortunately that is what it's been going on in another 2:34:16.560 --> 2:34:25.600 example basically of disaster capitalism trying to cease and accumulates 2:34:25.800 --> 2:34:34.840 through violence and for exploitation as usual. I hope that 2:34:34.879 --> 2:34:38.480 you know, we've seen and been inspired by Barbula's efforts, 2:34:38.520 --> 2:34:41.800 and I hope that probably don't able to continue to 2:34:41.800 --> 2:34:49.600 prove themselves resilient in the face of this disaster. That's fascinating. 2:34:49.840 --> 2:34:51.960 And do you know, like I'm interested in these like 2:34:52.040 --> 2:34:57.120 diasporic communities like you said, there's one in Lester and stuff. 2:34:57.200 --> 2:34:59.920 It's like, do they still have like a very strong 2:35:00.120 --> 2:35:04.320 community coherents like when they when they go elsewhere and 2:35:05.840 --> 2:35:07.960 to like did like you said, they tend to gather 2:35:08.040 --> 2:35:11.040 in like certain spots. Be interested in like how those folks, 2:35:11.760 --> 2:35:13.600 I guess dealt with a very different life in like 2:35:13.680 --> 2:35:20.600 New York or Leicester or wherever right well, Um, like 2:35:20.720 --> 2:35:24.640 other Caribbean people who have emigrated, we do tend to 2:35:24.720 --> 2:35:31.640 concentrating cuittain places where we already have family connections. Um. 2:35:31.680 --> 2:35:35.800 I think most Scribbean people have at least a relative 2:35:36.360 --> 2:35:42.560 living abroad. Yeah, an uncle, a great uncle, second cousin, 2:35:42.600 --> 2:35:49.119 the cousin whatever. Um, And so it sort of builds 2:35:49.160 --> 2:35:51.280 from there. And so you try and be that, you 2:35:51.360 --> 2:35:54.360 create like a piece of home and sort of settle 2:35:54.440 --> 2:35:57.240 and concentrate in those areas and live in those areas 2:35:57.280 --> 2:36:01.640 and support each other in those areas. Yeah, and that, 2:36:01.760 --> 2:36:05.680 I would say helps with the adjustment. Yeah, yeah, that 2:36:06.000 --> 2:36:09.400 makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Um. So you can 2:36:09.440 --> 2:36:14.320 find me on YouTube dot com slash andrewism on patre 2:36:14.360 --> 2:36:16.800 dot com slash scene true, and on Twitter dot com 2:36:16.879 --> 2:36:21.040 slash on discore scene true. If you are Bob, you done, 2:36:21.440 --> 2:36:22.800 Please don't have you to reach out to me. I 2:36:22.800 --> 2:36:24.680 would love to learn more about the situation going on 2:36:25.680 --> 2:36:46.920 and wish all all the best solidarity. Who's dying today, 2:36:46.959 --> 2:36:51.200 it's Queen, it's the Queen. Well correction, she's not dying, 2:36:51.400 --> 2:36:57.160 she's she's dead. That ladies said. Yeah, very sad, obviously, 2:36:58.520 --> 2:37:02.200 very sad. Grieving punk us today brought to you by 2:37:02.280 --> 2:37:04.600 it could happen here. It's all of us. It's it's me, 2:37:04.760 --> 2:37:08.160 it's Get, it's Chris, it's Robert, and it's the ghost 2:37:08.160 --> 2:37:10.440 of the Queen. We're talking about the queen. She's dead, 2:37:10.959 --> 2:37:15.480 what's up with that? Yeah, she's real dead. Um, I 2:37:15.520 --> 2:37:17.280 haven't seen. You know what I haven't seen that I'm 2:37:17.280 --> 2:37:20.680 disappointed of is a new version of the Monty Python 2:37:20.800 --> 2:37:24.520 Dead Parrot sketch involving her corpse. And it's and it's 2:37:24.640 --> 2:37:29.240 fancy casket. Um, but that's still time, still time we 2:37:29.280 --> 2:37:31.959 can change that. Now. My question is, James, is that 2:37:32.080 --> 2:37:35.959 legal in the UK? Now? Absolutely not. No, you will 2:37:36.000 --> 2:37:40.199 get so arrested, not even arrested. This is the worst 2:37:40.280 --> 2:37:42.920 part people have just like I don't understand what the 2:37:42.959 --> 2:37:45.160 funk is wrong with people, but they have become volunteer 2:37:45.200 --> 2:37:48.520 cops to like defend a guy who's been credibly accused 2:37:48.520 --> 2:37:52.800 of peedophilia. I am disappointed in us. Do not be 2:37:53.720 --> 2:37:57.320 policing your fellow people for exercising some of the very 2:37:57.320 --> 2:38:00.240 few rights at the conservative well because everybody how taken 2:38:00.240 --> 2:38:03.600 away from them. Actually, but yeah, you've only let yourself down. 2:38:03.760 --> 2:38:09.959 I'm disappointed. Yeah, they they they really really hating anyone 2:38:10.120 --> 2:38:14.360 who is not thrilled about the monarchy. They're arresting people 2:38:14.360 --> 2:38:18.280 of having not my king signs. I see that Jetwood 2:38:18.560 --> 2:38:21.840 is taking it to the fascist state, which is great 2:38:21.879 --> 2:38:25.400 to see. But we're gonna be talking about the Queen 2:38:26.000 --> 2:38:29.959 or former former queen. Um I do want to do 2:38:30.000 --> 2:38:32.800 want a note that you know, the day the Queen died, 2:38:33.440 --> 2:38:36.520 a big wave of condolences came in, including from Domino's 2:38:36.520 --> 2:38:40.920 Pizza UK, which which if you don't understand, the Queen 2:38:40.959 --> 2:38:43.880 had a very deep relationship with Dominoes, so this this 2:38:43.920 --> 2:38:46.920 does mean a lot um they were, they were, they 2:38:46.920 --> 2:38:51.840 were lovers. Among those who posted their condolences was Hamilton's 2:38:51.840 --> 2:38:58.000 West End, the Britain the Britain r MT, which is 2:38:58.000 --> 2:39:02.520 like the British Railway unions their strike, which I think 2:39:02.600 --> 2:39:04.959 is the most pissed at coward thing I've ever seen. 2:39:05.000 --> 2:39:08.680 The union do. British Cycling suggested to people not go 2:39:08.760 --> 2:39:10.959 out for a bike ride during the time of the Queens. 2:39:12.800 --> 2:39:19.080 Are you fucking serious? My god? They're literally was deal 2:39:19.160 --> 2:39:23.200 with the closing food. I think the funniest one was 2:39:23.640 --> 2:39:29.000 Labs Rob posted everyone is deeply saddened by the passing 2:39:29.000 --> 2:39:30.880 of her. Madnesty in the Queen and we offer our 2:39:30.879 --> 2:39:33.400 sincere conduleces to the royal family. We joined together with 2:39:33.480 --> 2:39:35.520 the people of the United Kingdom and all around the 2:39:35.520 --> 2:39:38.360 world and mourning her loss, which they then which they 2:39:38.400 --> 2:39:41.040 then deleted an hour later. If there's one thing that 2:39:41.240 --> 2:39:43.760 Mrs rob is about, it's about people all though for 2:39:43.800 --> 2:39:47.880 the world, mourning the loss of monarchy, it's the main 2:39:47.959 --> 2:39:52.840 thing about it. So yeah, most of on Twitter was 2:39:52.879 --> 2:39:57.840 definitely was definitely split between these companies posting how they're 2:39:57.879 --> 2:40:00.800 so sad. That also a lot of people pretty pretty 2:40:00.840 --> 2:40:02.840 thrilled that the queen died, because it's kind of funny 2:40:02.920 --> 2:40:07.200 because we were all shocked by the nine year old 2:40:07.200 --> 2:40:13.600 woman who died. She was so young. It's she was. 2:40:13.680 --> 2:40:16.080 She was at an age that if you reversed her 2:40:16.160 --> 2:40:18.960 age and told me she had died, I still wouldn't 2:40:18.959 --> 2:40:21.680 have been surprised. Like she was at an age where 2:40:21.720 --> 2:40:24.160 like even if you flip the numbers, she's still all. 2:40:24.560 --> 2:40:28.160 She still Yeah, it's great to see the Telegraph today 2:40:28.240 --> 2:40:31.920 running a headline five mile Q to view Elizabeth's second coffin. 2:40:32.040 --> 2:40:37.440 We'll see horrible stories of suffering. This is a country 2:40:37.640 --> 2:40:40.520 where she said, will not be able to heat their 2:40:40.560 --> 2:40:46.040 homes this winter. It's a country an explosion in food insecurity, 2:40:46.160 --> 2:40:48.920 and this is what we're doing. It's like like the 2:40:49.800 --> 2:40:52.800 British like, okay, so the Crown did not call directly 2:40:52.840 --> 2:40:56.480 for a blood sacrifice. The British people are just bound 2:40:56.520 --> 2:41:00.840 and determined to have people die like they're like they're 2:41:00.879 --> 2:41:04.520 like they're lining up in the streets to sacrifice themselves 2:41:04.920 --> 2:41:07.959 for the dead. It is I mean, magical things don't 2:41:07.959 --> 2:41:10.280 do us all that way. There's some people sharing up 2:41:10.280 --> 2:41:14.600 with not my King signs and getting assaulted by mobs 2:41:14.640 --> 2:41:21.199 and people like regular as people. Yeah, yeah, most people 2:41:21.240 --> 2:41:23.920 are not that concerned. Most people are not like it's 2:41:24.000 --> 2:41:26.040 just like the Turfs in Britain. There are like a 2:41:26.760 --> 2:41:29.720 small minority of people who do nothing but tweet right 2:41:29.760 --> 2:41:33.280 for the Guardian, who misrepresent the opinions of most British 2:41:33.320 --> 2:41:35.160 people who are not that concerned. But like a lot 2:41:35.160 --> 2:41:36.879 of these British people do show up in person and 2:41:36.920 --> 2:41:40.560 like shut down like yes, it's it is not It 2:41:40.680 --> 2:41:43.800 is not the case that like there isn't widespread support 2:41:43.840 --> 2:41:46.000 for this kind of ship. It's just that it's it's 2:41:46.040 --> 2:41:49.000 not uniform and that's the people who do speak The 2:41:49.000 --> 2:41:51.480 people who do speak up also tend to get arrested, 2:41:52.120 --> 2:41:54.760 which its just like it's it's sort of amazing. It's like, okay, 2:41:55.000 --> 2:41:58.880 Britain got industrial capitalism before like any other country to Earth. Right, 2:41:59.640 --> 2:42:03.480 the boy Josie has one job. One job there. One 2:42:03.600 --> 2:42:06.040 job is to destroy feudalism. And they could even the 2:42:06.080 --> 2:42:08.959 British couldn't do it. They had they had the largest 2:42:09.000 --> 2:42:12.040 head start of any country on Earth, and they couldn't 2:42:12.160 --> 2:42:16.440 do it. It's incredible, it's miraculous. They were co opted 2:42:16.560 --> 2:42:19.240 into these few elites through things like the Great Reform Acts, 2:42:19.240 --> 2:42:22.280 which which used property as a proxy for land or 2:42:22.440 --> 2:42:25.200 capital as a proxy for land, and it's worked remarkably well. 2:42:25.240 --> 2:42:27.360 And now we just do false consciousness ship like this, 2:42:28.160 --> 2:42:32.400 Like how good is your false consciousness game? When people 2:42:32.400 --> 2:42:35.840 who can't heat their homes are sleeping on the street 2:42:36.440 --> 2:42:40.440 to say goodbye to presumably a billionaire who never cared 2:42:40.480 --> 2:42:45.000 about them. Yeah, it's like raculous. Yeah, you absolutely who 2:42:45.120 --> 2:42:49.320 was not equipped emotionally to have ever cared about them, 2:42:49.560 --> 2:42:53.080 who's soul would never have allowed her to care about them. Yeah, 2:42:53.320 --> 2:42:55.520 let's let's like you know, as as lots of people 2:42:55.560 --> 2:42:59.080 were romanticizing the monarchy and the queen and doing their 2:42:59.120 --> 2:43:01.920 like performative more nings. Obviously, there was a way of 2:43:01.959 --> 2:43:04.800 other people being like, hey, you know, the Royal family 2:43:04.879 --> 2:43:07.560 is kind of kind of sucked up. You know, they've 2:43:07.560 --> 2:43:11.640 stolen billions of dollars and jewels from countries like India 2:43:11.800 --> 2:43:17.280 and across South Africa. Um, they're continuing to benefit from 2:43:17.800 --> 2:43:22.640 Britain's history of colonialism. The earlier earlier this year, during 2:43:22.680 --> 2:43:26.800 the during the during the Queen's jubilee celebration, an old 2:43:26.879 --> 2:43:31.720 Kenyan revolutionary fighter used the used the the occasion to 2:43:32.080 --> 2:43:34.640 call for an explanation from the Queen for why she 2:43:34.680 --> 2:43:39.600 hasn't been compensated after being tortured with axes by British troops. 2:43:40.680 --> 2:43:45.360 Look at the Britain treated. We're stuff on this. I 2:43:45.400 --> 2:43:47.240 have stuff on this later for this episode. Actually, we're 2:43:47.280 --> 2:43:51.200 gonna be talking about that. Seventeen estimate found that the 2:43:51.240 --> 2:43:54.760 Royal family is estimated to be worth eighty eight billion 2:43:54.800 --> 2:43:59.039 dollars um. Yeah, and a lot of that's obviously not 2:43:59.200 --> 2:44:01.440 in straight cash, which is one of the ways like 2:44:01.480 --> 2:44:04.080 people are talking about, oh, Charles inherited half a billion, No, 2:44:04.240 --> 2:44:09.360 Charles billions of dollars. Like they own a lot of land, Yes, 2:44:09.520 --> 2:44:12.720 they own a huge amount of land. Um. Charles has 2:44:12.760 --> 2:44:16.600 his own real estate empire that he like created while 2:44:16.680 --> 2:44:20.880 he was waiting for his mom to fucking croak um. 2:44:20.959 --> 2:44:24.040 And they also have like a fortune and a really 2:44:24.080 --> 2:44:27.080 actually uncountable like you have to think about their wealth 2:44:27.120 --> 2:44:30.080 like the Vatican, Like there's no actual way, Like it's 2:44:30.120 --> 2:44:33.560 functionally limitless money because so much of what they own 2:44:33.840 --> 2:44:37.240 is like priceless antiquities, many of which were stolen from 2:44:37.280 --> 2:44:40.640 other people. Yeah. An it's hard to put a tangible number. 2:44:40.640 --> 2:44:42.720 And that's sort of their value and that sort of 2:44:42.720 --> 2:44:45.120 what if you want to go to celebrity status, Yes, 2:44:45.440 --> 2:44:48.720 what is that fucking diamond in the goddamn crown worth? Right? 2:44:48.760 --> 2:44:51.119 Like there's no real way to appraise that. Yeah. Well, 2:44:51.160 --> 2:44:52.680 and I want to point this out, like if they 2:44:52.720 --> 2:44:55.119 tried to sell the diamond, almost certainly what would happen 2:44:55.280 --> 2:44:57.200 is like the British people would give her three billion 2:44:57.240 --> 2:45:00.280 dollars and they give her the diamond back they crowd funded. Yeah, 2:45:00.520 --> 2:45:03.080 they'd stopped doing the subsidies for heating that they've just 2:45:03.120 --> 2:45:05.240 started doing and buy the diamond back. Here, let's talk 2:45:05.280 --> 2:45:08.760 about let's let's let's talk about the heating thing briefly 2:45:08.800 --> 2:45:13.640 because I think uh. An anchor on BBC was discussing 2:45:13.680 --> 2:45:17.720 how news of the Queen's passing basically interrupted all other 2:45:17.800 --> 2:45:22.440 news in the UK, UM including statements being given on 2:45:22.600 --> 2:45:26.400 the price increase in energy bills and the raising cost 2:45:26.440 --> 2:45:30.000 of living, um stating that that those topics, that the 2:45:30.000 --> 2:45:32.560 topics of cost of living and the rise of energy 2:45:32.560 --> 2:45:36.480 bills was quote insignificant. Now due to the gravity of 2:45:36.480 --> 2:45:40.000 this situation, we can we can insert this clip here 2:45:40.000 --> 2:45:42.480 I have I haven't saved for Daniel because it's just 2:45:42.840 --> 2:45:46.960 it's wild. Doctors in Scotland were concerned about the Queen's 2:45:46.959 --> 2:45:50.160 health coming um as liszt Trust was making a rather 2:45:50.200 --> 2:45:55.640 important statement concerning um the future of energy bills UM that, 2:45:55.760 --> 2:45:59.640 of course insignificant now given the gravity of the situation 2:45:59.680 --> 2:46:04.000 we see to be experiencing. An old lady died. She 2:46:04.160 --> 2:46:06.560 was not a very nice old lady. I've known old 2:46:06.640 --> 2:46:09.080 ladies who were nice that died, and I was sad. 2:46:09.160 --> 2:46:11.400 I've known old ladies who are night and not nice 2:46:11.400 --> 2:46:14.240 that died, and I didn't really care in any case, 2:46:14.560 --> 2:46:17.879 Like it's it's not it's not a big deal because 2:46:17.879 --> 2:46:20.840 old people like that's what human beings do when they 2:46:20.879 --> 2:46:23.680 reach ninety six is they die a lot of the time. 2:46:23.760 --> 2:46:26.960 And it's it's okay, Like it's okay. Queen would see it. 2:46:27.040 --> 2:46:30.360 Of everything about her, it's fine. Queen Elizabeth was the 2:46:30.480 --> 2:46:34.920 longest reigning monarch in the history of Britain. Yeah, probably 2:46:35.040 --> 2:46:37.480 close to the longest. And like maybe Ramsey is the 2:46:37.480 --> 2:46:40.320 fucking second is up there, like sixty nine years. You 2:46:40.320 --> 2:46:43.000 don't run into a lot of competition in terms of 2:46:43.120 --> 2:46:53.920 length of two Yeah, And it's worth a lot of 2:46:53.920 --> 2:46:55.879 old ladies going to die in Britain this winter because 2:46:55.920 --> 2:47:00.080 of the okay, And it's also worth knowing you the 2:47:00.160 --> 2:47:02.360 queen tried to use a bunch of state poverty money 2:47:02.360 --> 2:47:04.960 that was earmorged for schools, hospitals and low income families 2:47:04.959 --> 2:47:10.280 to pay bucking camp houses heating bill. Oh wow, Uh yeah, 2:47:10.320 --> 2:47:13.480 that's that's wild. That's great. Well, you wouldn't want an 2:47:13.480 --> 2:47:15.640 old woman like that to be out of out in 2:47:15.640 --> 2:47:21.959 the rain. Because I believe the Crown is States, and 2:47:21.959 --> 2:47:23.760 I'll have to check this real quickly. I believe the 2:47:23.800 --> 2:47:26.800 Crown of States did evict people during the COVID nineteen pandemic. 2:47:26.879 --> 2:47:28.640 Talking of old folks being kicked out into the rain 2:47:31.840 --> 2:47:34.640 and for for around two weeks after the queen's death, 2:47:34.720 --> 2:47:37.760 basically all of Britain kind of grinds to a halt um. 2:47:38.080 --> 2:47:41.119 It's which which would honestly one of the base parts 2:47:41.120 --> 2:47:43.560 about this is that this does potentially cost the UK 2:47:43.680 --> 2:47:46.840 economy billions of dollars because they just shut down for 2:47:46.879 --> 2:47:51.840 two weeks um. So this is like the equivalent of 2:47:51.959 --> 2:47:54.480 the boat getting stuck in the canal, just the queen dying. 2:47:55.360 --> 2:47:56.680 I do want to I do want to make a 2:47:56.760 --> 2:48:01.240 quick note for everybody. The longest reigning, very refiable monarch, 2:48:01.800 --> 2:48:05.039 according to this Wikipedia page that I just skimmed is 2:48:05.080 --> 2:48:08.000 so Boosa, the second of Swaziland, which was a British 2:48:08.000 --> 2:48:12.359 protectorate until nineteen sixty eight. He reigned from eighteen ninety 2:48:12.480 --> 2:48:18.760 nine to August of nineteen eighty two, two years. So 2:48:19.280 --> 2:48:22.000 you know what, Elizabeth, not that impressive. I am a 2:48:22.080 --> 2:48:27.600 Sabooza the second stand now absolute chad ship. The fact 2:48:27.600 --> 2:48:29.520 that he just snuffed it before he got to see 2:48:29.520 --> 2:48:36.119 a part tight end very yeah. That is m yeah, wow, yeah, 2:48:36.160 --> 2:48:39.280 it's just yeah. It's looking at some of the evictions 2:48:39.320 --> 2:48:41.039 of krown of states have done over the years. You 2:48:41.040 --> 2:48:44.920 can look it's pretty heartbreaking. Ship. Well luck luckily, Uh, 2:48:45.280 --> 2:48:48.000 the Queen actually did not die in Buckingham Palace. She 2:48:48.120 --> 2:48:52.680 died in a castle in Scotland. That's great because Buckingham 2:48:52.720 --> 2:48:56.840 Palace is a hideous monument of trash like the castle 2:48:56.920 --> 2:49:02.199 she died. It looks pretty cool that most of the Yeah, 2:49:02.840 --> 2:49:05.480 one thing you're supposed to get with a monarchy is 2:49:05.520 --> 2:49:08.480 like really rad looking castles. It is like neat the 2:49:08.520 --> 2:49:13.760 castles are cool, except for Buckingham Palace, which looks like yeah. 2:49:14.000 --> 2:49:17.200 So bucking a Palace is a building that dares you 2:49:17.280 --> 2:49:19.320 to go steal back all of the wealth if they 2:49:19.320 --> 2:49:23.240 stole from you to build it. So the plan for 2:49:23.320 --> 2:49:26.360 if the Queen died in this Scottish castle was called 2:49:26.440 --> 2:49:32.400 Operation Unicorn, which is wild. What is the unicorn? A 2:49:32.959 --> 2:49:36.679 ninety six year old woman dying is not a unicorn situation? 2:49:36.920 --> 2:49:40.480 Operations Squirrel or something more? How is this giving a 2:49:40.520 --> 2:49:44.679 couple of their third I don't get it, I I know, um, 2:49:44.760 --> 2:49:48.200 So the plan for this type of thing is so 2:49:48.520 --> 2:49:51.800 the queen died on last Thursday afternoon. It was announced 2:49:51.879 --> 2:49:55.640 the Friday following Friday morning. After the queen dies, Uh, 2:49:55.720 --> 2:49:59.000 they call Operation unicorn. They then call, they send like 2:49:59.160 --> 2:50:03.120 my emergency alerts all the British leaders, um, no, the 2:50:04.040 --> 2:50:07.720 new Prime Minister who was incredibly funny, um, and you know, 2:50:07.800 --> 2:50:13.240 all of all these people are notified and then press 2:50:13.320 --> 2:50:17.640 press gets notified that next morning as as as they did. 2:50:18.440 --> 2:50:21.800 So staff members in the castles and palaces all got 2:50:21.840 --> 2:50:30.280 sent home. Um. All parliamentary business gets postponed. Uh, every everything, 2:50:30.440 --> 2:50:33.760 everything shuts down, which means all of the stuff they 2:50:33.760 --> 2:50:36.160 were working on on energy bills gets shut down, like 2:50:36.280 --> 2:50:38.480 they were working on trying to figure out what the 2:50:38.480 --> 2:50:41.120 funk they're gonna do for this cost increase. All that 2:50:41.160 --> 2:50:47.119 gets shut down until late September. Um. So that's that's cool. Um. 2:50:47.160 --> 2:50:49.320 But no, this is actually kind of a unique thing 2:50:49.360 --> 2:50:53.000 because because of how long Elizabeth reigned, the last death 2:50:53.040 --> 2:50:56.520 of a monarch was in the fifties, so it's it's 2:50:56.560 --> 2:50:58.880 been a while since this has happened, so everyone's kind 2:50:58.879 --> 2:51:02.000 of rusty, like, no, like if we aren't as prepared 2:51:02.440 --> 2:51:05.640 for this, if if it's okay, My my hope is 2:51:05.680 --> 2:51:08.119 that we get a couple of we get people get 2:51:08.120 --> 2:51:10.640 a lot of experience with dead British monarchs in the 2:51:10.680 --> 2:51:15.039 next decade, King Charles the Third. I don't think we'll 2:51:15.080 --> 2:51:18.280 be around for too long. Yeah, I've seen that man's hands, 2:51:18.320 --> 2:51:22.440 and it's here's the thing. Every every time a monarch dies, 2:51:22.480 --> 2:51:24.920 it's kind of it's like a top down, rolling general strike. 2:51:25.000 --> 2:51:26.440 So if we get enough of them in a row, 2:51:26.520 --> 2:51:30.080 we can start doing serious damage to capital. By the way, 2:51:30.520 --> 2:51:33.600 quick quick note about the chad so Booza, the second 2:51:33.680 --> 2:51:38.760 of Swazi Land died, died with a thousand grandchildren. Oh 2:51:38.800 --> 2:51:50.800 my god. Wow, man and always pictured shirtless Elizabeth cannot compete. No, 2:51:51.080 --> 2:51:53.200 I'm fine without not being the case. Actually, I don't 2:51:53.240 --> 2:51:57.240 want to see any competion. Yeah, and he probably wasn't 2:51:57.320 --> 2:52:00.160 racist to any of their partners with no actually you 2:52:00.160 --> 2:52:02.800 can say about the real families. Here's a neat thing. 2:52:02.959 --> 2:52:06.840 He and he took all control of all non or 2:52:06.920 --> 2:52:09.840 of all Swazi land and mineral rights from non Swazi 2:52:09.920 --> 2:52:13.879 interests that had gained control during colonialism and indigenized all 2:52:13.920 --> 2:52:16.320 of that, which is dope. So there you go, So 2:52:16.440 --> 2:52:21.160 boost of the motherfucking second. Yeah, a god, king, I 2:52:21.200 --> 2:52:22.800 have to go and get injected with a small dose 2:52:22.879 --> 2:52:26.120 of a disease. Well, let's got everything, but injected in 2:52:26.200 --> 2:52:30.200 that Chris. Hey, Daniel's back, so let's take an ad break, um, 2:52:30.560 --> 2:52:33.320 and we'll be back to learn more about the Queen. 2:52:33.480 --> 2:52:34.920 You know what else will give you a small dose 2:52:34.920 --> 2:52:37.720 to a disease? That's right, that's right, Yes, these products 2:52:37.760 --> 2:52:39.760 and services. Yeah, I'll gonna say the Queen of England. 2:52:39.840 --> 2:52:45.640 But yeah, and we're back. So yeah, it's been a 2:52:45.640 --> 2:52:49.560 while since since the monarch died. Last time this happened 2:52:49.600 --> 2:52:54.480 in the fifties, mourners wore black arm bands to show 2:52:54.480 --> 2:52:59.039 respect for King George. That's the one who was like 2:52:59.320 --> 2:53:02.000 a big fan of Nazis. Right, But I don't I 2:53:02.040 --> 2:53:04.400 don't think we're gonna see so I don't think that 2:53:04.440 --> 2:53:06.640 tradition is going to continue. I doubt we're gonna see 2:53:06.920 --> 2:53:10.600 a wave of black arm vants. If anyone was going 2:53:10.640 --> 2:53:14.720 to do it, it would probably be the Anglos. Yeah, 2:53:14.959 --> 2:53:18.200 I I suppose so yeah, it's uh oh yeah, it 2:53:18.240 --> 2:53:22.000 was Edward, Edward the Eight who abdicated um and and 2:53:22.040 --> 2:53:25.360 then was replaced by the guy who you were talking about. Okay, 2:53:25.400 --> 2:53:30.600 that's the guy like Nazis, Edward the Eighth. So all all, all, 2:53:30.640 --> 2:53:32.560 all the UK flags are gonna be flown at at 2:53:32.560 --> 2:53:35.440 half masted until the day of the funeral, and then 2:53:35.520 --> 2:53:36.920 the day of the funeral is going to be a 2:53:36.920 --> 2:53:40.880 bank holiday as well. So that's pretty exciting. That's great. 2:53:40.959 --> 2:53:46.960 I hope that the poor get to eat sweetmeats or something. No, no, again, 2:53:47.160 --> 2:53:51.440 they're just they're just closing down almost all almost all businesses, 2:53:51.680 --> 2:53:54.360 almost all businesses in the Okay will close. The Stock 2:53:54.400 --> 2:53:59.040 Exchange is going to close. Um like on on following 2:53:59.120 --> 2:54:03.600 present a prince is Diana's death in the late nineties, uh, Britain. 2:54:04.000 --> 2:54:07.160 Business owners in Britain quote felt that they were quote 2:54:07.520 --> 2:54:10.320 forced to close their shops or canceled sporting sporting events 2:54:10.320 --> 2:54:13.400 the day of the funeral lest they feel the rage 2:54:13.640 --> 2:54:19.080 of the tear stained hordes outside unquote. Yeah, that's an 2:54:19.080 --> 2:54:21.600 incredible that is an incredibly funny way to talk about 2:54:21.600 --> 2:54:24.160 monarchist though, like, thank you, thank you, thank you the 2:54:24.200 --> 2:54:29.160 Guardian for that amazing quote. It's unbelievable, and at least 2:54:29.200 --> 2:54:32.320 with Diana, it was actually sad like she was a 2:54:32.400 --> 2:54:35.920 nice person who was badly treated in her life by 2:54:35.959 --> 2:54:39.160 the royal family and died tragically and young, as opposed 2:54:39.200 --> 2:54:41.720 to somebody who got everything they want from the day 2:54:41.720 --> 2:54:46.600 they were born. And died at So then currently they 2:54:46.600 --> 2:54:52.400 are assembling the quote Ascension Council to formally declare Prince 2:54:52.480 --> 2:54:55.680 Charles the King, which he's he's already known as King Charles, 2:54:55.680 --> 2:54:58.480 but you know there's the whole separate formal process. Yeah, 2:54:58.480 --> 2:55:01.560 because he could pick another name. Still he says he's not. 2:55:01.720 --> 2:55:05.080 He says he's Oh, he's confirmed. That good because kings 2:55:05.200 --> 2:55:08.800 king's Charles have a good history in the UK, they 2:55:08.800 --> 2:55:14.000 don't often get executed. So the Council will make the 2:55:14.080 --> 2:55:17.760 proclamation of ascension to be to be read on Proclamation 2:55:17.840 --> 2:55:21.520 Day will be which will be soon after the death um, 2:55:21.560 --> 2:55:26.680 and that'll be somewhere somewhere in a London. How did 2:55:26.720 --> 2:55:29.640 you still have all the ship? Like, there's so many 2:55:29.680 --> 2:55:33.800 weird rituals that they still do. Both houses of Parliament 2:55:33.840 --> 2:55:38.600 are suspended are suspended until after the official state funeral 2:55:39.400 --> 2:55:42.879 um and both and and all politicians have to wear 2:55:43.000 --> 2:55:47.480 new allegiance to the to the newly ascended monarch. This 2:55:47.640 --> 2:55:51.200 is really like genuinely the world's most pathetic ruling class. Like, 2:55:51.280 --> 2:55:57.080 oh my god, Jesus Christ, it's pretty funny. You have 2:55:57.200 --> 2:56:01.119 one job. Well, but also like back in the day 2:56:01.280 --> 2:56:06.360 before we had monarchs and capitalism. Whenever you know, you 2:56:06.400 --> 2:56:08.800 had a new coronation, whenever there was something big that 2:56:08.840 --> 2:56:11.520 happened with the monarchy, the thing they would do is 2:56:11.560 --> 2:56:14.119 make sure everybody had a shipload of food and nice stuff. 2:56:14.200 --> 2:56:16.680 The king would give it away. It's all over the world. 2:56:16.720 --> 2:56:19.600 Cultures would do this. Even you do. Yeah, it's what 2:56:19.640 --> 2:56:21.640 you do when you come to power. Because they were 2:56:21.680 --> 2:56:24.200 at least that scared of the people where it's like, 2:56:24.200 --> 2:56:26.840 all right, I gotta like do something to ring in 2:56:26.840 --> 2:56:29.120 this rain good so they don't start to wonder, why 2:56:29.120 --> 2:56:30.960 do we have a king now? So I'm gonna give 2:56:31.000 --> 2:56:33.039 him a bunch of fucking food and then they'll be like, oh, 2:56:33.080 --> 2:56:34.640 the king, he's the guy who gives us food every 2:56:34.640 --> 2:56:37.640 now and then. That's dope. It's amazing now that in 2:56:37.800 --> 2:56:40.000 the UK it's just like, all right, we've got a 2:56:40.040 --> 2:56:42.240 new monarch and the old one died, so you guys, 2:56:42.280 --> 2:56:44.000 a lot of you don't get to eat for a while. 2:56:44.800 --> 2:56:49.400 So King Charlie seventy three is the oldest person in 2:56:49.440 --> 2:56:53.200 British history to become king, which is I think a 2:56:53.280 --> 2:56:58.000 great side, very unsabosed the second of him. And then 2:56:58.000 --> 2:57:01.760 we're also getting a new queen. Technically, uh, the camella, 2:57:01.920 --> 2:57:04.840 the Duchess of Cornwall, which again all this sounds made 2:57:04.920 --> 2:57:09.400 up um is now is now the queen consort um. 2:57:09.600 --> 2:57:14.720 So that's exciting, that's thrilling. I'm I'm thrilled for a 2:57:14.800 --> 2:57:22.360 Queen Camilla. It is the Duchess of Cornwall or so 2:57:23.080 --> 2:57:27.320 and Queen Elizabeth's Queen Elizabeth's coffin is is being prepared 2:57:27.440 --> 2:57:30.280 to lie in state, meaning it will be presented from 2:57:30.280 --> 2:57:32.640 the public to view so they can cry on the coffin, 2:57:32.680 --> 2:57:35.280 which is pretty cool, or crying near the coffin. They 2:57:35.320 --> 2:57:42.680 don't want the poorest to get too close. So Booza 2:57:42.760 --> 2:57:46.720 the second turned swasey Land into a major asbestos ex border, 2:57:47.160 --> 2:57:52.720 which Queen Elizabeth also never did. So wait, so when when? 2:57:52.760 --> 2:57:55.000 When when the Queen dies, do they like from like? 2:57:55.040 --> 2:57:57.280 Do they like preserve her from Aldehide or whatever? Do 2:57:57.280 --> 2:58:02.240 they fancy they've some fancy ass ship because they were 2:58:02.240 --> 2:58:06.560 probably embalminger while she was alive, says her limbs stopped working, 2:58:06.720 --> 2:58:10.000 squirting some in. The Queen's body will lie in state 2:58:10.080 --> 2:58:12.240 until the day of the funeral, will then become a 2:58:12.280 --> 2:58:15.000 public holiday. There's at least a ten day morning period 2:58:15.120 --> 2:58:18.680 starting the day after her death, um, and then should 2:58:18.680 --> 2:58:23.240 be transported to win Westminster Abbey by gun carriage for 2:58:23.280 --> 2:58:26.520 the state funeral. And then after the funeral she'll be 2:58:26.600 --> 2:58:30.680 she'll be buried in the King George the Sixth Memorial Chapel. 2:58:32.560 --> 2:58:37.720 I believe her the body of her late husband, Prince Philip, 2:58:37.840 --> 2:58:40.600 who died last year, will be moved from the vault 2:58:40.600 --> 2:58:43.959 that he's currently at to beneath the chapel to join here. 2:58:44.040 --> 2:58:48.520 So that's pretty funny. Yeah, um, I don't have nothing 2:58:48.560 --> 2:58:50.520 to say about that other than it's funny that they've 2:58:50.560 --> 2:58:53.760 just got that dude in a fucking freezer. It's really funny. 2:58:54.879 --> 2:58:59.720 The new coordination will cost billions of pounds. Oh that's 2:58:59.720 --> 2:59:02.000 a good because England's like doing great right now. They've 2:59:02.040 --> 2:59:04.560 got plenty of money for all the necessities. You know, 2:59:04.640 --> 2:59:08.920 everything's been going well great, cost of livings really down, 2:59:09.160 --> 2:59:12.200 so it's it's a good idea to spend billions of 2:59:12.200 --> 2:59:15.440 dollars making a little death cult about this elderly woman 2:59:15.680 --> 2:59:19.280 that's just like the last like big royal wedding costs 2:59:19.320 --> 2:59:22.720 between one point two billion and six billion pounds, which 2:59:22.760 --> 2:59:26.840 is quite quite the quite the spectrum there one two 2:59:26.840 --> 2:59:30.800 to six billion. That's like, huh, I feel like at 2:59:30.800 --> 2:59:33.400 that point all money's fake. Like the cost of the 2:59:33.400 --> 2:59:35.720 coronation is expected to be similar, if not a little 2:59:35.720 --> 2:59:38.280 bit higher. Right, Yeah, you gotta you gotta spend a 2:59:38.320 --> 2:59:43.280 lot of money on a coronation for fucking Charles. Uh, 2:59:43.440 --> 2:59:46.360 so that you can, because that's what real countries do. 2:59:46.480 --> 2:59:50.879 In two, that's very real country ship. Speaking of money, 2:59:51.280 --> 2:59:55.280 new currency is already being printed, and in fact that 2:59:55.280 --> 2:59:58.680 that'll be cheap though, and in fact, uh, portraits of 2:59:58.760 --> 3:00:02.440 Charles have already been made on currency. There's like a 3:00:02.520 --> 3:00:07.440 reserve of money depicting the next king, just like it's 3:00:07.480 --> 3:00:10.320 being stored to like moving in from from when the 3:00:10.400 --> 3:00:13.920 queen died. It's like lots of this money saved. Just 3:00:13.959 --> 3:00:16.000 like how funny it would have been if, like six 3:00:16.000 --> 3:00:18.320 months before this happened, his seventy two year old ass 3:00:18.360 --> 3:00:22.360 had a heart attack. Have to like burn all that money. 3:00:22.600 --> 3:00:24.879 They're going to burn all that Charles bucks. He's not 3:00:24.879 --> 3:00:30.680 gonna be around long. Rice that Britain no longer has 3:00:30.720 --> 3:00:35.560 the world's reserve currency. Can you imagine? No, we we 3:00:35.640 --> 3:00:40.640 took on on this network on our various shows, we 3:00:40.640 --> 3:00:43.199 we spend a lot of time digging into ugly aspects 3:00:43.200 --> 3:00:46.440 of American history and American culture. But let's all celebrate 3:00:46.480 --> 3:00:49.000 one thing that I'm legitimately proud of, which is that 3:00:49.120 --> 3:00:51.840 a long time ago people here were like that seems 3:00:51.840 --> 3:00:55.680 stupid to let those that family run everything. Why are we? 3:00:55.800 --> 3:00:57.760 Why are we doing that? Let's get those fuckers out 3:00:57.760 --> 3:01:00.720 of here? Um, at least we did at although now 3:01:00.720 --> 3:01:02.879 a bunch of Americans are being fucking boot liquors too, 3:01:03.000 --> 3:01:05.160 and in Oregon and a bunch of other states, we're 3:01:05.160 --> 3:01:07.240 putting in these flags at half staff, which, like, you 3:01:07.240 --> 3:01:10.800 don't know why this country exists. This is the one 3:01:10.920 --> 3:01:13.920 based thing we did. Yeah. Like, like even the US, 3:01:13.959 --> 3:01:17.400 which I probably has the most murderous borgeoisie in human history, 3:01:17.440 --> 3:01:20.400 at least we did our burge Revolution, damnit. Like, at 3:01:20.440 --> 3:01:24.040 least we destroyed feudalism. So now we're gonna move on 3:01:24.120 --> 3:01:27.720 to the next segment of the show, entitled an Incomplete 3:01:27.760 --> 3:01:32.520 List of the politicians, warmongers, generals and otherwise bastards who 3:01:32.600 --> 3:01:37.280 Queenlis put the second bestowed awards. So I have I 3:01:37.320 --> 3:01:40.640 have quite the collection of people here. Um, let's let's 3:01:40.640 --> 3:01:46.360 start with Palestine. So Shimon Perez served as Prime Minister 3:01:46.720 --> 3:01:50.000 of of of Israel. He got a Nobel Peace Prize 3:01:50.000 --> 3:01:53.800 in like the nineties for intern key steal that like 3:01:53.879 --> 3:01:55.800 failed in in the long run to turn into a 3:01:57.320 --> 3:02:01.320 um for assassinated. No, I don't think. I don't think 3:02:04.760 --> 3:02:06.840 was the one who you could argue might have deserved 3:02:07.080 --> 3:02:10.720 an award. He's he. But Perez is kind of known 3:02:10.760 --> 3:02:14.680 as more of like, uh, a peaceable leader. He's like 3:02:14.959 --> 3:02:19.080 uh compared to some of his like colleagues, UM, you know, 3:02:19.800 --> 3:02:22.680 specifically with like the various ethnic cleansings that they do 3:02:22.760 --> 3:02:25.400 in Palestine. Perez is kind of seen as like the 3:02:25.400 --> 3:02:28.680 the good guy UM. And then in the mid nineties 3:02:28.720 --> 3:02:31.600 he was facing a major right wing backlash UM in 3:02:31.720 --> 3:02:34.400 his home over over the peace deal with the Palestinians 3:02:34.800 --> 3:02:37.400 UM and in the middle of an election campaign which 3:02:37.400 --> 3:02:39.959 he was kind of losing. So during this time he 3:02:40.080 --> 3:02:44.959 unleashed Operation Grapes of Wrath, which caused four dred thousand 3:02:45.240 --> 3:02:47.880 Lebanese to flee their homes, with almost eight hundred of 3:02:48.200 --> 3:02:52.480 them fleeing into a United Nations base in uh Kawana. 3:02:52.600 --> 3:02:56.560 I believe it's called UH in South and South Lebanon, 3:02:57.120 --> 3:03:00.760 and he didn't really stop there in order to kind 3:03:00.760 --> 3:03:04.560 of appease the right and Aldrezier calls it UH in 3:03:05.040 --> 3:03:08.480 an attempt to shore up his military credentials before a 3:03:08.520 --> 3:03:11.480 general election which he then lost to Benjamin Nett, not Yahoo. 3:03:11.800 --> 3:03:14.880 He ordered the army to strike this u n A shelter, 3:03:15.400 --> 3:03:19.560 killing a hundred and two civilians, mostly women and children. 3:03:20.400 --> 3:03:23.240 AH At the time of the attack, Peres said that 3:03:23.360 --> 3:03:26.160 in my opinion, everything was done according to clear logic 3:03:26.240 --> 3:03:29.280 and in a responsible way. I am at peace. UM. 3:03:29.560 --> 3:03:31.920 Perez said that the compound had been hit due to 3:03:32.200 --> 3:03:36.000 an incorrect targeting based on erroneous data, but the United 3:03:36.040 --> 3:03:40.560 Nations investigations found it unlikely that the shelling was unintentional 3:03:41.240 --> 3:03:44.240 because they were severing the area heavily beforehand. So he 3:03:44.280 --> 3:03:46.680 did he didn't. He did this massacre, killed like a 3:03:46.800 --> 3:03:50.440 hundred a hundred people to boost his polls for the 3:03:50.520 --> 3:03:55.160 right wingers in this election. UM November two, as an eight, 3:03:55.320 --> 3:04:00.080 Queen Elizabeth awarded him with an honorary knighthood. He as 3:04:00.120 --> 3:04:04.040 knighted in the Grand Cross of the Order of St. 3:04:04.120 --> 3:04:08.520 Michael and St. George, and during his knighthood. Like that day, 3:04:08.959 --> 3:04:13.240 Perez spoke to the Queen about the escalating Israeli Palestine conflict, 3:04:13.600 --> 3:04:17.160 saying that quote, the British learned from the Bible, and 3:04:17.320 --> 3:04:21.800 we learned from the British democracy. Earlier that year, I 3:04:21.879 --> 3:04:25.240 d F launched Operation hot Winter, a military campaign targeting 3:04:25.240 --> 3:04:27.280 the Gaza Strip in response to a series of Homoss 3:04:27.400 --> 3:04:32.000 rockets that killed one forty seven year old Asraeli student 3:04:32.560 --> 3:04:35.040 um which that attack was in response to the I 3:04:35.120 --> 3:04:37.480 d S killing eight Home Mass members earlier that month. 3:04:37.800 --> 3:04:40.480 But during during the I d S Operation Hot Winter, 3:04:41.200 --> 3:04:45.080 one hundred and ten Palestinians were killed, fifty four of 3:04:45.120 --> 3:04:48.440 them were children. Uh. And then a month, just one 3:04:48.480 --> 3:04:52.000 month after Perez was knighted, the two Essanate Gazo War 3:04:52.520 --> 3:04:54.959 broke out, also known as the Gaza Massacre, and that 3:04:55.000 --> 3:04:56.879 was started by the I d F, who called it 3:04:56.920 --> 3:05:01.000 Operation cast lead a three week large scale military campaign 3:05:01.000 --> 3:05:04.920 in the Gaza Strip. The massacre resulted in uh in 3:05:05.800 --> 3:05:11.039 like one thousand and four hundred Palestinian deaths and thirteen 3:05:11.440 --> 3:05:15.400 Israeli deaths, four from friendly fire. Um so it's just 3:05:15.520 --> 3:05:20.640 a Massacreeah. Yeah. So that that that was like a 3:05:20.680 --> 3:05:24.920 few weeks after, after Queen Elizabeth knighted knighted the then 3:05:25.000 --> 3:05:29.440 President of of of of of Israel, who previously served 3:05:29.480 --> 3:05:31.200 as the Prime Minister, which is more of like a 3:05:31.240 --> 3:05:34.360 real rule. UM. Anyway, moving on to more fun people. 3:05:35.120 --> 3:05:39.280 Nineteen eighty nine, Queen Elizabeth awarded Ronald Reagan with an 3:05:39.280 --> 3:05:45.880 honorary knighthood. UM. Now, thankfully, the way honorary knight Knighthood's 3:05:45.920 --> 3:05:49.280 work is. You don't become a sir because sir is 3:05:49.280 --> 3:05:53.119 a title reserved for people from Britain. I'm not mistaken. 3:05:53.200 --> 3:05:56.080 You can't hold office in the United States if you 3:05:56.160 --> 3:05:59.080 are a knight. Oh I wouldn't. I think it's an 3:05:59.120 --> 3:06:02.760 old rule we have. Yeah, I reading something about that. Yeah, yeah, No, 3:06:02.760 --> 3:06:05.400 I think isn't it No, it's not in the Constitution, 3:06:05.560 --> 3:06:09.880 but there's something about Yeah, but it's a it's a 3:06:10.360 --> 3:06:12.959 even though you know, you can't become a sir because 3:06:12.959 --> 3:06:15.720 you're not from Britain. Um you okay, here we go. 3:06:15.879 --> 3:06:19.119 No title of nobility. This is Article one, Section nine 3:06:19.160 --> 3:06:22.160 closet of the Constitution is no constitution Yeah, no title 3:06:22.200 --> 3:06:24.400 of nobility shall be granted by the United States, and 3:06:24.400 --> 3:06:27.080 no person holding any office of profit or trust under 3:06:27.120 --> 3:06:29.400 them shall without the consent of the Congress, except of 3:06:29.440 --> 3:06:32.640 any present emolument, office, or title of any kind whatsoever, 3:06:32.680 --> 3:06:36.520 from any King, prince, or foreign state. Fascinating. Yeah, So, 3:06:36.680 --> 3:06:39.200 like again, the people who made this country, for all 3:06:39.240 --> 3:06:42.200 of their flaws, looked at the British monarchy and we're like, 3:06:42.400 --> 3:06:51.320 that's fucking nuts. Well, because because because Reagan was was 3:06:51.480 --> 3:06:55.480 night was received on airy nighthood. The one benefit he 3:06:55.520 --> 3:06:58.640 does get is that at dinner parties, Reagan was able 3:06:58.720 --> 3:07:02.720 to sit closer to the queen than the unknighted former presidents. 3:07:03.440 --> 3:07:07.080 That's good. I'm glad that we have to. Like, honestly, 3:07:07.320 --> 3:07:13.280 look again, I hate like like America flex shit, but 3:07:13.360 --> 3:07:16.000 I feel like any president of the US should be 3:07:16.040 --> 3:07:18.680 able to pull up Ryker style, flip a chair around, 3:07:18.720 --> 3:07:20.560 sit down next to you you, and say, look, we've been 3:07:20.560 --> 3:07:23.360 pulling your ass out of the fire for the last century. Like, 3:07:23.440 --> 3:07:25.680 you don't get to fucking make me sit somewhere. I'm 3:07:25.720 --> 3:07:28.400 the president of the United States and you're a doddering 3:07:28.480 --> 3:07:32.240 old queen of a fucking third rate power. Um. I 3:07:32.280 --> 3:07:35.640 hate that. I just went like, full fucking whatever they're 3:07:35.720 --> 3:07:40.959 But honestly, that's fucking ridiculous. It's like like maybe maybe 3:07:41.000 --> 3:07:44.200 maybe the only country ever that the US gets moral superiority. 3:07:45.760 --> 3:07:48.879 It's like, is the British Empire? Like don't you don't 3:07:49.000 --> 3:07:54.440 like what? Seriously, lady, unbelievable. One other president who was 3:07:54.520 --> 3:07:58.879 knighted was George H. W. Bush, who was knighted into 3:07:59.320 --> 3:08:04.160 the Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath. Well, 3:08:04.879 --> 3:08:06.840 he did look like he could use one a lot 3:08:06.840 --> 3:08:12.600 of the time, where a rarely awarded top order of knighthoods. 3:08:13.000 --> 3:08:18.640 I'm glad he got that. British officials said that the 3:08:18.720 --> 3:08:22.720 knighthood marked the close relationship between the Republican president and 3:08:22.800 --> 3:08:27.560 Britain's conservative government, particularly during the Gulf War. Um. Yeah, 3:08:27.600 --> 3:08:30.440 that was a real moment of of of trial and 3:08:30.520 --> 3:08:34.040 tragedy for the British royal family. They had they had 3:08:34.040 --> 3:08:37.039 to sit there and watch they were burned, conscripts alive, 3:08:37.480 --> 3:08:40.520 and they were really at risk there. I'm gonna quote 3:08:40.520 --> 3:08:43.760 from the book Royal Babylon by English poet and activist 3:08:43.879 --> 3:08:48.080 Heathcote Williams quote the fact that each US president's record, 3:08:48.160 --> 3:08:51.400 without exception, would earn them seats on the dock at 3:08:51.480 --> 3:08:54.760 Nuremberg or at the International Criminal Court on genocide charges 3:08:55.080 --> 3:08:58.360 doesn't deter the royal family from honoring them. For by 3:08:58.480 --> 3:09:02.480 an ironic twist, each US president morphs into George the Third, 3:09:02.800 --> 3:09:06.440 against whom their forebearers fought. Which is a nice and 3:09:06.520 --> 3:09:10.360 nice and nice little quote by by this this this English, 3:09:10.400 --> 3:09:13.120 this English writer and the pretty good book Royal Babylon 3:09:13.160 --> 3:09:14.560 if you want to if you want to learn about 3:09:14.879 --> 3:09:17.879 how fucked up the monarchy is, uh, this is a 3:09:17.920 --> 3:09:22.520 pretty a pretty fun book. Um, let's see who else 3:09:22.600 --> 3:09:25.400 who else should be? Uh, who else should be? Let's 3:09:25.480 --> 3:09:32.080 let's talk about Norman schwartz and Covs Schwartzkof. Norman Schwartzkof, 3:09:32.120 --> 3:09:33.880 he was the head of the He was the guy 3:09:33.920 --> 3:09:38.480 who actually like ran the Desert Storm campaign. Yes, he 3:09:38.680 --> 3:09:42.920 said that the dead iraqis quote warn't worth counting and 3:09:43.040 --> 3:09:46.600 among like casualties of war and that quote, I want 3:09:46.680 --> 3:09:51.000 every Iraqi soldier bleeding from every orifice. Yeah, it's uh, 3:09:51.040 --> 3:09:53.560 I mean, you know, Schwartzkof was a guy who fought 3:09:53.600 --> 3:09:56.800 in Vietnam and took the loss hard, and I think 3:09:56.959 --> 3:09:59.760 he a big part of why, big part of what 3:09:59.840 --> 3:10:02.360 was going on with Desert Storm was a desire to 3:10:02.400 --> 3:10:06.640 quote unquote reclaim like our military pride by beating the 3:10:06.640 --> 3:10:10.080 ship out of a smaller country. Um, which is not 3:10:10.160 --> 3:10:12.400 to say that like I don't believe there was Like 3:10:12.640 --> 3:10:15.320 Iraq had invaded a neighbor and occupied it. That's bad, 3:10:15.400 --> 3:10:17.840 something should have been done. But the whole, the whole 3:10:17.879 --> 3:10:21.400 like masturbatory. I want all of their fucking conscript soldiers, 3:10:21.400 --> 3:10:26.760 these like teenage kids to die. Is is like sick lunacy, 3:10:26.840 --> 3:10:29.879 as was the masturbation over the anywhere whatever. We don't 3:10:29.879 --> 3:10:32.480 need to talk about the Gulf War here. He was anyway, 3:10:32.760 --> 3:10:35.400 he was. He also received a knighthood after all of 3:10:35.400 --> 3:10:40.080 that stuff, which is fun. Also, Elizabeth gave a knighthood 3:10:40.280 --> 3:10:44.959 to Colin Powell, Um, who facilitated, covered up, and justified 3:10:45.160 --> 3:10:49.480 many US war crimes in Vietnam. Hey hey, Garrison facilitated 3:10:49.520 --> 3:10:56.800 cover ups. Yes, yeah, most famously my Lie. Yes, the 3:10:56.840 --> 3:10:59.520 my Lie massacre is the biggest thing that he was 3:10:59.840 --> 3:11:03.680 that he was involved in. There were others. He also 3:11:03.720 --> 3:11:06.360 like that guy. I think he's like like the thing. 3:11:06.360 --> 3:11:09.520 I think it'sportant. He is probably the one person on 3:11:09.680 --> 3:11:12.400 earth in the Bush administration who could have stopped the 3:11:12.400 --> 3:11:15.680 Iraq war if he wanted to and he didn't like 3:11:15.800 --> 3:11:18.120 he he he knew that it was all bullshit, and 3:11:18.120 --> 3:11:20.880 he's like, nah, fuck it, let's do this. I'm gonna 3:11:20.920 --> 3:11:24.040 go lie to the U N. Quoting Powell, we burned 3:11:24.120 --> 3:11:27.440 down the thatched huts, starting the blaze with ronson and 3:11:27.480 --> 3:11:31.280 zippo lighters. Why were we torching houses and destroying crops? 3:11:31.560 --> 3:11:34.320 Ho Chi Ming said that his people were like the 3:11:34.400 --> 3:11:37.760 sea in which guerrillas swarm. We tried to solve the 3:11:37.800 --> 3:11:41.320 problem by making the whole sea uninhabitable. In the hard 3:11:41.360 --> 3:11:43.200 logic of war, what difference does it make if you 3:11:43.240 --> 3:11:47.680 shot your enemy or starved him to death? So anyway, 3:11:47.959 --> 3:11:51.199 best night, night night, Colin Powell. So true, So true, 3:11:51.280 --> 3:11:56.760 Buddy um probably the least problematic person among this list. 3:11:55.959 --> 3:12:00.760 In the Queen approved on an airing right hood to 3:12:00.959 --> 3:12:04.640 a former U. S Secretary of State. Uh with Henry 3:12:05.120 --> 3:12:09.520 kiss kiss Ainger Kissing Kissinger. Yeah, he was. He was 3:12:09.560 --> 3:12:11.800 just kind of a functionary, very not not a big deal. 3:12:11.800 --> 3:12:14.280 We should probably, I think, I think that's how it's pronounced. 3:12:14.680 --> 3:12:18.680 He was. He was appointed an Honoring Night Commander in 3:12:18.760 --> 3:12:22.840 the Most Distinguished Order of St. Michael and St. George. 3:12:23.640 --> 3:12:31.640 This is Christ's so funny. We must applaud the British 3:12:31.640 --> 3:12:34.640 for for for for honoring the most popular American in China. 3:12:35.920 --> 3:12:41.800 It's a very progressive decision for her. Yes Kissinger. Uh, 3:12:42.160 --> 3:12:46.240 I think a few of Kissinger's assistants also got unknighted. 3:12:46.600 --> 3:12:53.400 Uh Brent Scrollcroft scout Croft scout Croft, Um, he got 3:12:53.480 --> 3:12:56.640 he got knighted. Uh. I think people from the Iron 3:12:56.720 --> 3:13:01.480 contra drugs and arms affair stuff got knighted. H. There 3:13:01.520 --> 3:13:04.960 was a lot of like war criminal dudes got knighted 3:13:05.000 --> 3:13:08.800 in this in this like late nineties period. I wonder 3:13:08.840 --> 3:13:12.720 what was going on there also, Uh, j Edgar Hoover 3:13:13.160 --> 3:13:20.160 was was was knighted of, which is pretty funny. And 3:13:20.200 --> 3:13:25.800 then uh the the economic uh financier who endorsed uh 3:13:26.400 --> 3:13:29.120 really bad derivatives to make the housing bubble kind of 3:13:29.160 --> 3:13:33.600 blow up. Alan Greenspan another American. Oh he also green 3:13:33.680 --> 3:13:38.920 Span Like he's a horrible person. That that man, that 3:13:39.080 --> 3:13:42.600 man has killed more people than most generals. Like he 3:13:42.760 --> 3:13:47.160 has Oh boy, yeah he is. He is pretty bad. Um. 3:13:48.080 --> 3:13:49.680 I think I think we can do an ad break 3:13:49.720 --> 3:13:51.760 and then James is going to join us again. Uh 3:13:51.879 --> 3:13:57.160 to finish up by talking about Ireland and Kenya. Um, 3:13:58.000 --> 3:14:02.000 because there's a lot of stuff in Ireland and Kenya. 3:14:02.959 --> 3:14:06.160 So anyway, do you know who won't receive a knighthood 3:14:06.200 --> 3:14:10.680 by Queen Elizabeth? That's these products and services Because I 3:14:10.760 --> 3:14:12.720 was going to say Queen Elizabeth because she's too dead 3:14:12.800 --> 3:14:16.000 to take that's a joke. She can't give them a 3:14:16.080 --> 3:14:20.360 nighthead because she's dead. Here's the adds, very funny. Ah, 3:14:20.520 --> 3:14:22.840 we're back, and you know I need to keep the 3:14:22.920 --> 3:14:26.280 audience informed about important network business for cool Zone, so 3:14:26.320 --> 3:14:28.640 I want to let you all know that. As he 3:14:28.760 --> 3:14:32.640 was coming back from getting his shot, James texted us, all, Okay, 3:14:32.760 --> 3:14:35.440 I'll be on in one sex and there's a lot 3:14:35.480 --> 3:14:38.080 of jokes that we could make about that as as 3:14:38.080 --> 3:14:40.000 a network, and I'm not going to make them, but 3:14:40.040 --> 3:14:42.840 I'm gonna urge you to make them yourself in your 3:14:42.879 --> 3:14:45.520 own heart and head and then tweet them to James. 3:14:46.920 --> 3:14:50.040 James is at, James is At, I write okay on Twitter, 3:14:50.760 --> 3:14:53.440 that's my Twitter handle. I wrote, okay, you can see 3:14:53.440 --> 3:14:57.440 a picture of me. That's anyway. Uh So we're not 3:14:57.480 --> 3:15:02.240 gonna talk about mainly me. Two places where British colonialism 3:15:02.320 --> 3:15:07.120 and imperialism had devastating effects under Queen Elizabeth and a 3:15:07.200 --> 3:15:10.880 few a few uh, pretty pretty evil people that that 3:15:10.959 --> 3:15:15.480 Elizabeth then also united. Uh who were doing who were 3:15:15.520 --> 3:15:18.959 like directly doing this British colonialism. Uh, let's talk about 3:15:19.000 --> 3:15:22.640 Kenya a little bit. So during the nineteen fifties, British 3:15:22.680 --> 3:15:26.360 tried to get control of lands in Kenya that they 3:15:26.600 --> 3:15:28.640 that they had violently. They were trying to trying to 3:15:28.720 --> 3:15:31.879 keep keep control of land that they had previously stolen. Um. 3:15:32.480 --> 3:15:36.120 Native Kenyans fought back in the Mau Mau uprising. Now 3:15:36.240 --> 3:15:41.240 has we've historians Historians have documented widespread torture by British forces, 3:15:41.400 --> 3:15:46.400 including crushing of testicles with pliers um and the internment 3:15:46.680 --> 3:15:49.200 of up to three d and twenty thousand people in 3:15:49.320 --> 3:15:55.440 concentration camps where they then endured slavery, starvation, murder and rape, 3:15:56.120 --> 3:16:00.200 rape with blunt objects. Um. Meanwhile, one point five lean 3:16:00.280 --> 3:16:04.120 Kenyans were confined to a network of detention camps and 3:16:04.480 --> 3:16:10.720 heavily patrolled villages, as documented by a historian Caroline Elkins 3:16:10.840 --> 3:16:15.720 in her Pulitzer wise winning Britain's gulog. So this this, 3:16:15.879 --> 3:16:18.680 this was all overseen by the Queen as the head 3:16:18.720 --> 3:16:21.600 of state and by the way, she was thirty one. 3:16:21.640 --> 3:16:24.520 At this point, you don't you don't get to say, well, 3:16:24.640 --> 3:16:26.640 she just come and you know, I was just listening 3:16:26.680 --> 3:16:29.879 to her advisors. At thirty one years old. You are young, 3:16:30.120 --> 3:16:33.000 but you are old enough to not be complicit in 3:16:33.040 --> 3:16:35.920 a genocide. Yeah, especially when you're the head of state. Like, 3:16:36.000 --> 3:16:39.800 come on, as the Queen of England, she had some leverage. 3:16:40.520 --> 3:16:42.880 She is not like, oh, you came at you worked, 3:16:42.920 --> 3:16:46.920 You were a tax collector in fucking South fucking Shire, England, 3:16:47.000 --> 3:16:49.320 and you happened to be in doing that job when 3:16:49.360 --> 3:16:51.320 the Mau Mau we're being suppressed. No, no, no, she 3:16:51.480 --> 3:16:54.240 was and she she she knew about stuff was going on, 3:16:54.320 --> 3:16:57.560 was heavily involved because she was giving out like she 3:16:57.760 --> 3:17:01.199 was working with people who were doing the like, agreed 3:17:01.280 --> 3:17:05.720 to things um. According to Kenya's biggest newspaper, The Daily Nation, 3:17:06.440 --> 3:17:10.400 a British policeman named Ian Henderson was known in Kenya 3:17:10.560 --> 3:17:14.560 as the torturer in chief and was the kind of 3:17:14.840 --> 3:17:17.440 the the guy behind preparing a whole bunch of bogus 3:17:17.480 --> 3:17:21.240 evidence in the nineteen fifty three trial where six leading 3:17:21.360 --> 3:17:25.760 Mao Mao Uprising figures were convicted UM, including the future 3:17:25.920 --> 3:17:29.800 first president of independent Kenya now Queenlis but the second 3:17:30.000 --> 3:17:33.680 honored Ian Henderson again the Torturer in Chief, with the 3:17:33.800 --> 3:17:39.240 George Medal, Britain's highest civilian award, in September of nineteen 3:17:39.440 --> 3:17:43.200 fifty four for his work in Kenya. Because this is important, 3:17:43.240 --> 3:17:45.920 Like he wasn't military, he was just a policeman, which 3:17:45.959 --> 3:17:49.280 is why he gets a civilian award. Um. But like 3:17:49.480 --> 3:17:52.160 she knew what was going on was giving out individual 3:17:52.240 --> 3:17:56.320 police officers awards for their roles in crushing the crushing 3:17:56.560 --> 3:17:59.560 these uh independent uprisings. You know who never would have 3:17:59.640 --> 3:18:03.040 done that is supposed of the second absolute clown. I 3:18:03.680 --> 3:18:06.600 I do not know enough of the second I don't 3:18:06.640 --> 3:18:10.800 know how he acquired one thousand grandchildren. I'm not look 3:18:11.040 --> 3:18:13.480 to be fair, there's probably some shady ship and so 3:18:13.600 --> 3:18:17.040 boost of the seconds rain. But the main thing he 3:18:17.160 --> 3:18:21.720 was known for was taking back control of Swaziland's indigenous industries, 3:18:21.800 --> 3:18:25.080 being a good neighbor to the other African countries once 3:18:25.120 --> 3:18:28.240 they gained their independence, and of course exporting a shipload 3:18:28.280 --> 3:18:33.560 of asbestos. So and any any other notes on on Kenya. Yeah, 3:18:33.680 --> 3:18:36.160 so just before I do want to like just briefly 3:18:36.400 --> 3:18:39.800 raised that, like elkins um it was that was a 3:18:39.959 --> 3:18:43.080 very unconventional and a very good book for young academic 3:18:43.200 --> 3:18:45.200 and she deserved a credit for writing it. In the 3:18:45.360 --> 3:18:48.040 process of writing that book and then trying to write 3:18:48.040 --> 3:18:51.520 her second book, obviously she dealt with a lot of 3:18:51.520 --> 3:18:55.080 backlash from rank her first book, she uncovered that Britain 3:18:55.200 --> 3:19:01.439 had hidden, classified, destroyed and refused to disclose a mountain 3:19:01.520 --> 3:19:05.320 of records about its colonial crimes in Kenya. And this 3:19:05.520 --> 3:19:07.600 is like an ongoing issue that goes on into the 3:19:07.680 --> 3:19:10.720 twenty teams that there were public records court cases about this. 3:19:11.120 --> 3:19:14.480 And it's so like we we can see that, like 3:19:14.840 --> 3:19:16.520 it's wrong to say that this is like a just 3:19:16.760 --> 3:19:20.680 a relic of another era, Right, Britain is has continued 3:19:21.240 --> 3:19:24.200 into this era. Like the ideology of the government from 3:19:24.240 --> 3:19:27.039 them to now is actually indistinguishable. Right, it's it's near 3:19:27.080 --> 3:19:32.520 liberal conservatives. They have continued to hide rather than face 3:19:33.000 --> 3:19:36.240 justice for these crimes. Right, rather than say sorry, rather 3:19:36.240 --> 3:19:38.440 than say what we did was wrong, they've tried to 3:19:38.520 --> 3:19:41.920 cover up this ship. And like we we need to 3:19:42.200 --> 3:19:44.280 remember that when we talk about like this is not 3:19:44.360 --> 3:19:47.920 a crime of the past, these are ongoing acts of genocide. 3:19:47.920 --> 3:19:50.520 And genocide denial that we keep doing. Yeah, as you mention, 3:19:50.959 --> 3:19:53.520 so I think we're talking on Operation Legacy als. Also 3:19:53.560 --> 3:19:55.400 there are a bunch of different instances of the British 3:19:55.440 --> 3:19:58.320 government like destroying other records. One of the other fun 3:19:58.400 --> 3:19:59.920 things they were covered they seen to have and cover 3:20:00.080 --> 3:20:01.640 ing up and we don't we don't know exactly what 3:20:01.800 --> 3:20:03.480 was in those records because again they were just like 3:20:03.680 --> 3:20:07.039 they were destroyed. Um. But one of the other things 3:20:07.080 --> 3:20:09.400 that was in this record is about a second time 3:20:09.560 --> 3:20:11.840 that that the UK put a bunch of people in 3:20:11.879 --> 3:20:15.039 concentration camps while Queen Elizabeth was president, which was they 3:20:15.080 --> 3:20:17.080 did this. They also did this in Malaysia. They put 3:20:17.160 --> 3:20:20.000 a million president. They did this. They did this in 3:20:20.080 --> 3:20:23.640 a film. Sorry she was while she was clown president, 3:20:23.760 --> 3:20:27.400 which is to say, just to say, Queen, we're gonna 3:20:27.440 --> 3:20:31.400 actually be talking about Malaysia in justice sac that was 3:20:31.480 --> 3:20:38.000 an emergency on awards. Yeah, so so uh Ian Henderson, 3:20:38.160 --> 3:20:41.280 the torture in chief who received this award obviously had 3:20:41.320 --> 3:20:45.160 to leave Kenya shortly after the fifties because things happened, 3:20:45.680 --> 3:20:50.440 um and then he got he got moved to Bahrain 3:20:51.120 --> 3:20:54.760 um and during a wave of pro independence revolts in Bahrain. 3:20:55.160 --> 3:20:59.760 In nineteen eight, h Henderson was appointed the head of 3:20:59.879 --> 3:21:06.040 the Secret Police and served as so until um and 3:21:06.240 --> 3:21:08.520 over the course of his tenure he became known as 3:21:08.680 --> 3:21:14.200 the Butcher of Bahrain, quoting the Guardian quote. During his time, 3:21:14.480 --> 3:21:18.760 his men allegedly detained and tortured thousands of anti government activists. 3:21:19.120 --> 3:21:22.240 Their activities are said to have included the ransacking of villages, 3:21:22.600 --> 3:21:27.360 sadistic sexual abuse, and using power drills to name prisoners. 3:21:27.840 --> 3:21:30.840 On many accasions, there have said to detain children without 3:21:30.879 --> 3:21:34.280 informing their parents, only to return them months later in 3:21:34.440 --> 3:21:38.280 body bags unquote. Yeah, and and the Barraine stuff. It's 3:21:38.280 --> 3:21:42.080 also worth mentioning like that never stopped like no, I 3:21:42.160 --> 3:21:44.200 mean it stopped being him in charge, but like like 3:21:45.160 --> 3:21:49.000 it only stopped him being in charge. Yeah, yeah, And 3:21:49.080 --> 3:21:52.320 and like in two thousand eleven there's another revolution against 3:21:52.400 --> 3:21:55.440 like the Bahraini barony like monarchy, and I mean it 3:21:55.520 --> 3:21:57.600 ended essentially with the Saudia's role tanks across the border. 3:21:57.640 --> 3:21:58.920 But one of the things that happened was that the 3:21:58.920 --> 3:22:02.400 British helped like the Bahraini government like hunt down dissidence. 3:22:03.560 --> 3:22:05.720 I just busted out my lecture on this hand slot 3:22:05.760 --> 3:22:08.080 park stuff. If we want to talk more about there 3:22:08.120 --> 3:22:11.880 were fifteen miles of files that they found hidden. I 3:22:11.920 --> 3:22:14.760 mean this that was That was also the case in Ireland, 3:22:14.879 --> 3:22:18.000 which we're going to talk about later, the odd file. 3:22:18.200 --> 3:22:21.199 I lose emails all the time. That's similar to fifteen 3:22:21.280 --> 3:22:27.000 miles of paperwork. So in nineteen four, Ian Henderson was 3:22:27.160 --> 3:22:31.160 awarded by Queen Elizabeth with a CBE for services to 3:22:31.360 --> 3:22:34.480 British interests in Bahrain and uh he also received a 3:22:34.560 --> 3:22:38.400 knighthood in the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire. 3:22:39.040 --> 3:22:42.160 So this this was after he was already known as 3:22:42.240 --> 3:22:45.560 the Butcher of Bahrain. This this is this, he's well 3:22:45.600 --> 3:22:50.520 into his tenure. He is torturing children, killing them, kidnapping them, 3:22:51.040 --> 3:22:55.280 maiming people. And that's when he gets knighthooded uh for 3:22:55.480 --> 3:22:59.640 his services to the British interests in Bahrain. UM. So yeah, 3:22:59.760 --> 3:23:06.080 that that's Ian Henderson. UM. Now. During Henderson's time in Kenya, UH, 3:23:06.440 --> 3:23:08.680 he was just a part of the small team that 3:23:08.800 --> 3:23:13.120 was developing a new form of counterinsurgency pseudo gangster tactics, 3:23:13.600 --> 3:23:18.400 UH kind of weaponizing like gang gang warfare for British interests. UH. 3:23:18.760 --> 3:23:21.960 The other person who was kind of running this operation 3:23:22.560 --> 3:23:28.400 was an Englishman named Frank Kinson. Um so he in 3:23:28.760 --> 3:23:31.760 uh he was also serving in Kenya UM and then 3:23:31.879 --> 3:23:35.240 on New Year's in nineteen fifty five, Kinson was awarded 3:23:35.280 --> 3:23:40.520 the British Military Cross in recognition of galleant and distinguished 3:23:40.600 --> 3:23:44.560 services in Kenya UM and three years later he gained 3:23:44.600 --> 3:23:47.320 a bar to that battle for his work in the 3:23:48.000 --> 3:23:52.879 UH Malaysian emergency quote unquote. So during Britain's brutal rule 3:23:53.120 --> 3:23:57.680 brutal war in Malaysia, um he he he played he 3:23:57.800 --> 3:24:01.720 played a part in the con tration camps which Chris mentioned. 3:24:02.440 --> 3:24:06.959 The process was known as vigilization as they forced people 3:24:07.120 --> 3:24:10.600 into these concentration camps all over the course of a famine. 3:24:11.160 --> 3:24:14.280 And they were invading Glasia to fund Britain's kind of 3:24:14.320 --> 3:24:20.680 post war reconstruction. Uh so he he was in Kenya Malaysia. 3:24:21.600 --> 3:24:24.800 He also went to Bahrain, just like Henderson did. He 3:24:24.920 --> 3:24:28.800 went to Yemen, Aiden and Cyprus, all places where the 3:24:28.879 --> 3:24:32.960 British state is uh known for doing the widespread use 3:24:33.000 --> 3:24:36.520 of torture. Um and then he went to North He 3:24:36.560 --> 3:24:40.440 went to Northern Ireland. Uh in not shocking turn of events, 3:24:40.920 --> 3:24:44.440 um he then was the professional head of the British 3:24:44.560 --> 3:24:47.800 Army during the Iraq War. Described Kinson as quote the 3:24:47.959 --> 3:24:52.040 sun around which the planets revolved, saying that quote he 3:24:52.320 --> 3:24:55.320 very much set the tone for the operational style in 3:24:55.440 --> 3:25:04.080 Belfast um the budd the notorious military Reaction Force the 3:25:04.400 --> 3:25:08.800 m r F, which was accused of being behind a 3:25:08.959 --> 3:25:12.360 string of illegal shootings of Catholic teenagers in the early seventies, 3:25:13.000 --> 3:25:17.720 was based at Kitson's headquarters outside Belfast, and one of 3:25:17.800 --> 3:25:23.120 the units under his command was nicknamed Kitson's Private Army UH. 3:25:23.240 --> 3:25:27.120 Its official name was one Pea. And these were the 3:25:27.200 --> 3:25:31.080 people that did bloody Sunday um So in nineteen seventy 3:25:31.160 --> 3:25:35.080 two in Dairy, fifteen thousand people gathered outside to protest 3:25:35.160 --> 3:25:40.119 against detention without trial. At ten past four, British paratroopers 3:25:41.080 --> 3:25:44.160 opened fire. Twenty eight people were shot, some in the 3:25:44.240 --> 3:25:47.400 back as they fled. Fourteen people were killed, seven of 3:25:47.480 --> 3:25:51.240 whom were teenagers, and it was Kitson's Private Army who 3:25:51.360 --> 3:25:54.360 fired all one d and eight shots UH in Dairy 3:25:54.560 --> 3:25:58.040 during winter of nineteen seventy two UH. One of the 3:25:58.160 --> 3:26:02.320 victims are the first teenager UH named Kevin. Seventeen years 3:26:02.360 --> 3:26:04.440 old he was shot from behind while trying to crawl 3:26:04.520 --> 3:26:10.960 to safety. Um. Yeah, anyway, Murphy massacre was at the 3:26:11.040 --> 3:26:14.480 same time as well. Like it's worth, people like these 3:26:14.480 --> 3:26:16.520 are very well documented things, so people that people can 3:26:16.600 --> 3:26:18.360 read about that we don't need to describe the detail. 3:26:18.400 --> 3:26:25.080 But so England in England Bad Elizabeth Queen. In nineteen 3:26:25.160 --> 3:26:29.040 seventy two, frank Kinson was knighted again same same year 3:26:29.040 --> 3:26:31.480 as the massacre, was knighted by the Queen for Galley 3:26:31.480 --> 3:26:35.080 into distinguished service in Northern Ireland and was promoted to 3:26:35.520 --> 3:26:38.720 Commander of the Order of the British Empire UM. A 3:26:38.800 --> 3:26:41.360 few years later he became a major general and the 3:26:41.480 --> 3:26:45.520 quote night Commander of the Order of the Bath again 3:26:45.720 --> 3:26:48.480 what is it? What is it? Is nice that he 3:26:48.680 --> 3:26:51.480 and former head of the CIA, George H. W. Bush 3:26:51.560 --> 3:26:54.640 got to hang out in their fancy club though these 3:26:54.720 --> 3:26:59.879 people are so fucked up. So later later Kitson serned 3:26:59.879 --> 3:27:02.879 as Commander in Chief of the UK Land Forces from 3:27:03.080 --> 3:27:06.440 nineteen eighty two to nineteen eighty five and was the 3:27:06.600 --> 3:27:10.720 Aide the Look was the Aide de camp general to 3:27:10.879 --> 3:27:14.960 Queen Elizabeth direct directly to Queen Elizabeth from nineteen eighty 3:27:15.040 --> 3:27:20.360 three to nineteen eighty five. So yeah, that's uh, that's fun. 3:27:20.959 --> 3:27:22.760 It's worth noting that the Order of the Bath is 3:27:22.800 --> 3:27:26.080 like a I believe that some of those other honors, 3:27:26.200 --> 3:27:28.440 that queen's honors that you've talked about, like I was 3:27:28.520 --> 3:27:31.680 selected by committee your pressper government. I'm not quite sure. 3:27:31.720 --> 3:27:33.120 The Order of the Bath is supposed to be like 3:27:33.200 --> 3:27:38.200 the personal the Queen's like specific selection. Yeah, yeah, and 3:27:38.280 --> 3:27:40.199 the sovereign is head of the Order of the Bath 3:27:40.280 --> 3:27:43.680 like it's like yours. It's the big it's the big 3:27:43.800 --> 3:27:49.760 diamond shape mail. You're tortured so dreadfully well, I'd love 3:27:49.840 --> 3:27:54.000 to give you this fancy award for jamming screwdrivers into 3:27:54.120 --> 3:27:58.160 children turning the ball. Who do you do? Go off 3:27:58.280 --> 3:28:02.760 to go breed another coal. That's the ghost of the 3:28:02.800 --> 3:28:04.400 queen you have promised you at the start of the episode. 3:28:05.560 --> 3:28:10.320 So through throughout the two thousands, Kinson remained a key 3:28:10.320 --> 3:28:13.760 advisor on U S military strategy during the wars in 3:28:13.840 --> 3:28:17.480 Iraq and Afghanistan. There it's much that the US has 3:28:17.520 --> 3:28:19.960 done which is also wore crimes in torture in those wars. 3:28:20.200 --> 3:28:22.200 And we should also mention, Okay, there's there's a thing 3:28:22.240 --> 3:28:24.320 you'll get from insurgency nerds who were talking about the 3:28:24.360 --> 3:28:27.320 Mala like emergency quote unquote is like the one successful 3:28:27.360 --> 3:28:30.080 kind of insurgency, and that's just not true. Like they 3:28:30.480 --> 3:28:33.240 started again after they stopped in seconds. You can tell 3:28:33.280 --> 3:28:35.000 how well this went by the fact that that guy 3:28:35.120 --> 3:28:36.840 also was helping the U. S do a rock and 3:28:36.840 --> 3:28:39.840 Afghanistan and the only thing he's ever managed to accomplish 3:28:39.920 --> 3:28:42.280 is killing an enormous number of people. He doesn't it 3:28:42.440 --> 3:28:45.040 was just that he had dubs there. Yeah, he was 3:28:45.480 --> 3:28:48.640 in all those countries. He was heavily involved in Aiden 3:28:48.680 --> 3:28:52.440 and Yemen, which led to two thousand deaths between nineteen 3:28:52.480 --> 3:28:56.600 sixty two and nineteen seventy UM and and today British 3:28:56.680 --> 3:29:01.160 armies still continue the same This this the same process 3:29:01.320 --> 3:29:07.080 of of overseeing the bombing of Yemen. Um. So it's 3:29:07.400 --> 3:29:10.039 this isn't like me. There's definitely no one that US 3:29:10.160 --> 3:29:14.040 is innocent of. Just oh no, we're the ones arming 3:29:14.680 --> 3:29:18.440 h We need to Saudi coalition whatever you wanna call it. 3:29:18.560 --> 3:29:21.720 That's murdering people in Yemen. But I think doesn't have 3:29:21.840 --> 3:29:24.600 the capacity to to make as many bombs as the 3:29:24.680 --> 3:29:27.440 US is standing to Yemen. I would doubt. But all 3:29:27.480 --> 3:29:29.480 of these processes and all of these people are still 3:29:29.560 --> 3:29:32.960 continuing the same colonialism and the same yes, all of 3:29:33.040 --> 3:29:35.000 the same oppression. Like this isn't like this isn't like 3:29:35.800 --> 3:29:38.720 the past. It's it's an ongoing thing that the monarchy 3:29:39.120 --> 3:29:42.480 awards and perpetuates. They've had to downsize it a little 3:29:42.480 --> 3:29:44.680 bit because you know, it just doesn't work as well 3:29:44.720 --> 3:29:46.440 as it used to. And so the thing they decided 3:29:46.480 --> 3:29:49.120 to do to downsize it was stopped paying off the 3:29:49.200 --> 3:29:52.600 populace um and just start policing them harder. And but 3:29:52.720 --> 3:29:57.520 but the money has kept flowing to the royals. Yes, yeah, 3:29:57.959 --> 3:30:01.560 So anyway, in the Malay emergency, that Britain did pioneer 3:30:01.640 --> 3:30:03.520 the use of agent orange. So that's another gift that 3:30:03.600 --> 3:30:06.520 we've given to the people of the United States. Ah well, 3:30:06.879 --> 3:30:10.520 thank you James for that. Yeah, welcome anytime. It's that. 3:30:10.720 --> 3:30:13.720 It's t Cosey's with the Queen on It's stuff coolgies. 3:30:14.240 --> 3:30:17.280 You know. I wanna suggest if you are looking for 3:30:17.360 --> 3:30:21.280 a way to properly mourn Queen Elizabeth Um, maybe check 3:30:21.320 --> 3:30:25.480 out the film Churchill The Hollywood Years, a truly exceptional movie. 3:30:25.560 --> 3:30:27.920 If you just type it into Google and look around 3:30:27.959 --> 3:30:30.520 on YouTube you can find a full copy of it. Um. 3:30:30.720 --> 3:30:34.160 It features Christian Slater as Winston Churchill and Nev Campbell 3:30:34.280 --> 3:30:37.360 as the recently deceased Queen UM and I don't know 3:30:37.440 --> 3:30:39.199 who it is that they got to play her father, 3:30:39.360 --> 3:30:42.440 the former king, but he's he's basically a portrayed as 3:30:42.520 --> 3:30:45.560 like a drunk and also like every time there's a 3:30:45.600 --> 3:30:48.560 big fancy party, he's just constantly staring at everyone's drinks 3:30:48.560 --> 3:30:51.360 because he's angry that they're drinking is champagne because he's 3:30:51.400 --> 3:30:55.880 a big fucking uh spinthrift. Very funny, very good send 3:30:55.959 --> 3:30:59.879 up of the royal family. Um. Also, Heinrich Himler condu 3:31:00.040 --> 3:31:03.120 it's a Satanic wedding and by replacing a crucifix with 3:31:03.160 --> 3:31:06.120 a chicken, it's It's a good movie watch in real life, 3:31:06.640 --> 3:31:09.160 just like in real life. I'll also recommend you check 3:31:09.200 --> 3:31:11.920 out the book Royal Babylon. I was able to get 3:31:11.959 --> 3:31:16.760 it a free copy online through great methods. Um So anyway, 3:31:16.840 --> 3:31:19.840 yeah that if you want a nice, like poetic history 3:31:19.920 --> 3:31:22.360 of how the queen is sucked up and the monarchy sucks, 3:31:22.760 --> 3:31:25.760 Royal Babylon is a nice easy read. Did you get 3:31:25.800 --> 3:31:28.959 into the balls lion sisters as well. Did you do that? Now? 3:31:29.720 --> 3:31:33.879 These two people who were disabled, they are the Queen's cousins. 3:31:34.080 --> 3:31:37.200 They the royal family basically announced they were dead, but 3:31:37.240 --> 3:31:41.520 they weren't dead. And they lived in an institutional home 3:31:41.640 --> 3:31:44.879 for I think it was it was called the Royal 3:31:44.959 --> 3:31:48.640 Earth word Institution for Mental Defectives. Great. They lived there 3:31:48.760 --> 3:31:51.720 more or less anonymously, completely discerned by the family on 3:31:51.840 --> 3:31:56.120 a very small stipend until they died. And that is 3:31:56.200 --> 3:31:59.440 not a nice way to treat your cousins. Well, yeah, 3:31:59.480 --> 3:32:05.560 it's only sentence my opinion that monarchy is bad, bad 3:32:06.200 --> 3:32:11.160 something about FUCO and boomerangs and colonialism. Abolish the monarchy. 3:32:11.360 --> 3:32:14.320 It's always okay to celebrate the death of a king 3:32:14.600 --> 3:32:18.840 or queen. Um, doesn't matter who they are, doesn't matter 3:32:18.959 --> 3:32:22.840 how it happens. Um, it's bad for the concept of 3:32:22.959 --> 3:32:26.840 monarchy is the only thing more toxic than the concept 3:32:26.959 --> 3:32:30.040 of inherited wealth. Um. And both are deeply tied to 3:32:30.160 --> 3:32:33.400 each other. Uh. Fuck the Queen and fun all of 3:32:33.440 --> 3:32:35.840 her relatives, except for the ones who give up their 3:32:36.080 --> 3:32:40.000 their positions in power. Those people are are cool. Yeah, 3:32:41.200 --> 3:32:44.480 don't turn police people whose parents were killed by colonial 3:32:44.560 --> 3:32:51.280 regimes on Yeah yeah, and over overthrow the government of Britain. Yeah. Look, 3:32:51.360 --> 3:32:54.959 we always this podcast from the beginning has been directly 3:32:55.080 --> 3:32:58.520 in favor of an insurrection against the crown. The one 3:32:58.560 --> 3:32:59.800 thing that you do have to hand it to the 3:33:00.240 --> 3:33:03.440 for is seeing Liz Trust as Prime Minister and immediately dying, 3:33:03.640 --> 3:33:11.000 which is an appropriate response. I commute ritual suicide. And 3:33:11.080 --> 3:33:15.280 you know again, King Sebuto the second did destroy democracy 3:33:15.440 --> 3:33:17.880 in Swaziland, but then he replaced it with something that 3:33:18.000 --> 3:33:20.879 kind of sounds like democracy. And that's more than Queen 3:33:20.920 --> 3:33:24.920 Elizabeth did. We just started at point B something that 3:33:25.080 --> 3:33:29.200 kind of sounds I know, I know what King, I'm 3:33:29.280 --> 3:33:32.600 gonna stand in the future. All right, but well that's 3:33:32.640 --> 3:33:34.640 a T shirt I'll be getting you for Christmas. Thank you, 3:33:37.320 --> 3:33:43.600 short short lived King Charles the Third. Hey, We'll be 3:33:43.680 --> 3:33:47.040 back Monday with more episodes every week from now until 3:33:47.080 --> 3:33:49.520 the heat death of the universe. It could happen here 3:33:49.560 --> 3:33:52.240 as a production of cool Zone Media. 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