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Speaker 1: The Book of Joe Podcast is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey Daron, Welcome back to the Book of Joe Podcast

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Speaker 1: with me, Tom Berducci and Joe Madden. Joe, Today, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about something that your old buddy, William

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare called the root of all heartache. It was not

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Speaker 1: air travel and it was not the DMV. And he

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Speaker 1: guesses on what Shakespeare called the root of all heartache redundancy.

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Speaker 1: Not quite, but I like that guess expectations, okay, And

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about how expectations color the way

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Speaker 1: we look at Major League Baseball teams, because there are

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Speaker 1: some people that still have this trouble of thinking of

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Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewers as the best team in baseball, right

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Speaker 1: because they don't fit our expectations. We keep saying the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: the Dodgers, the Dodgers, because that's how we were conditioned

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Speaker 1: to think. They won the World Series. They added on

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Speaker 1: in the offseason. But Joe, in my mind, there's no

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Speaker 1: question the Milwaukee Brewers are the best team in baseball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what a run they're on twenty five and

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Speaker 1: four in the last twenty nine games. You go back

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Speaker 1: sixty five games, They're forty nine and sixteen, and they

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Speaker 1: kind they play the kind of baseball that, let's face it,

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Speaker 1: all of us think is the kind of baseball that

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Speaker 1: should win in October at any time of year. Actually,

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Speaker 1: is this an overachieving team, Joe? Or do you feel

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Speaker 1: like the Milwaukee Brewers are legitimately the best team in

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Speaker 2: What are they lacking? I don't know what they're lacking

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Speaker 2: to not be able to be considered that. I watch

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Speaker 2: them often, Murph and I go way back to Skipper there.

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Speaker 2: I love the way they play baseball. They play complete

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Speaker 2: game of baseball. They play all facets. They hustle all

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Speaker 2: the time. If there's something goes awry, Murph gets it

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Speaker 2: straighten out very quickly. But I really enjoy watching them.

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Speaker 2: This is this is my version in my mind's eye,

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Speaker 2: would Bay Ball should look like. And listen, they are

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Speaker 2: very progressive in a lot of ways when it comes

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Speaker 2: to their analytical information because for years, the Brewers, to me,

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Speaker 2: they had their defenders in the right position. That's the

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Speaker 2: one thing when we played against them with the Cubbies,

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Speaker 2: I was always impressed by their defenders were set up

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Speaker 2: We catch line drives. That was my line with the Rays,

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Speaker 2: And they catch line drives, they catch the hard hit balls.

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Speaker 2: Run the basis great, take extra bases. They're willing to

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Speaker 2: Defense is solid. I mean they they catch the ball

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Speaker 2: arms with drift. Looks pretty darn good right now. That

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Speaker 2: bullpen McGill can stop anybody. I don't know there. I

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Speaker 2: don't see the flow. I don't see the flow.

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Speaker 1: To your point, Joe, And this obviously checks all the

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Speaker 1: boxes that you and I like to see. And when

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Speaker 1: we watch a baseball team play base running, number one

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Speaker 1: base running team in baseball defense, they're number three team speed.

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Speaker 1: They're number two starting pitching. They're number three wins by

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Speaker 1: I like to look at. They're number one hitting with

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Speaker 1: They're the best team in baseball at it strikeout percentage.

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Speaker 1: They're sixth. So you're saying what is this team missing?

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Speaker 1: And I'll give you the answer because there is one

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Speaker 2: Yeah power, You right.

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Speaker 1: They're twentieth in Major League Baseball in hitting home runs. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you look back, the last five teams that won

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Speaker 1: to the twenty fifteen Kansas City Royals. Game has changed

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Speaker 1: the ability to change the game quickly with a home

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Speaker 1: But do you believe that can stop them in a

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Speaker 2: Well, how many top five finishes or indicators and the

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Speaker 2: other components of the game equal power, That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: You know they do so many things. Well, I think

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Speaker 1: They're starting. Pitching is just okay. Milwaukee can beat you

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Speaker 1: I don't think they lacked tremendously with power apartment, Joe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they can apply pressure. What was his name, Vaughn

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Speaker 2: safety squeeze from Vaughn? Joe?

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about that because I'm not buying he

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Speaker 1: the sign. Joe's the fourth inning. The Brewers are up

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Speaker 1: to zero count. Andrew Vaughan has played seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty three games as a professional and had zero sacrifice bunts.

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Speaker 1: I'm not buying it. I think he saw something that

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it could have been better as

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Speaker 2: ten amount two years ago, when John Olerud put down

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Speaker 2: our minds. I think. I think it's just it's just

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Speaker 2: an indication of the buy in with the Brewers. And

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Speaker 2: you're right, it may not have been assigned play, although

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Speaker 2: everybody I was watching they showed the overhead. All the

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Speaker 2: Maybe uh Vond is not like that picture. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: There's there's different things, but it really, to me indicates

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Speaker 2: the total buy in. And why not keep adding on runs.

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Speaker 2: You can't just say he's gonna hit a three run

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Speaker 2: was pretty impressive to me was the picture feeling the

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Speaker 2: Zim taught me years ago. I just I just like

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Speaker 2: I know that that dugout probably went nuts the moment

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Speaker 1: Right now, that's a great point when you think about

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Speaker 1: the unselfishness, the fact that either Vaughan saw authority, saw

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Speaker 1: to your point here, right that here's a guy who's

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Speaker 1: but he talked about how he works on it. You know,

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Speaker 1: When he takes VP just doesn't go through the motions.

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Speaker 1: And with Milwaukee, you are prepared, even if you've never

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Speaker 2: Isn't it a beautiful thing? And it's technique indicated that

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Speaker 2: he does work on it. That was really good technique.

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Speaker 2: even in the eighties and the instructional leagues and whatever.

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Speaker 2: Big guys could bunt. There's a lot of big guys

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Speaker 2: he wasn't in a hurry, bunted it right into the ground,

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Speaker 2: like you said, right into the pie, the slice right there,

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Speaker 2: and then their pitcher just made an exceptional play on

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Speaker 2: And that was a Sean Riggan is one of our

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Speaker 2: I put the play on I think it was Jason Bartlett,

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Speaker 2: great break at first base. Denny stops perfect bunt, all

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Speaker 2: the defenses all over the place, and my god, that

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Speaker 2: bluff at first base. We didn't do it so much

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Speaker 2: was a right handed pitcher. Play. There you have it.

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Speaker 1: Luck is the residue of design.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's correct. It was. It was so it

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Speaker 2: was great. I mean because Rigo, if you knew him,

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Speaker 2: it was just like a really nice guy, a great kid,

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Speaker 2: But his mental mistake there really made that play even better.

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Speaker 1: Well, Joe, you you've had been on team teams that

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Speaker 1: just get the ball rolling, whether it's the O Two Angels,

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Speaker 1: the Rays back in nine, the Cubs obviously in sixteen.

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Speaker 1: When the confidence builds and you feel like you go

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Speaker 1: The Brewers are playing this way. They talk about what

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Speaker 1: they now call the power of friendship. How close knit

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Speaker 1: this team is you've got Murph there with his pocket pancakes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw that he was interviewed

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Speaker 1: and had a little pancake in his pocket. Now that's

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Speaker 2: They're just not as tight as they had been. That's

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Speaker 1: the Book of Joe. Welcome back to the Book of Joe. Joe.

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Speaker 1: I love it when we have teams like obviously You're

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Speaker 1: they handle their pitching. Now we've seen Blake Snell come back,

429
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Speaker 1: we've seen Tyler Glassnell come back. They're still kind of

430
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Speaker 1: in rehab mode. Yamamoto now they're pitching every seventh day,

431
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Speaker 1: giving him the extra day, which they've done with sho Hey,

432
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know how to evaluate the

433
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Speaker 1: LA Dodgers. You know, they've had I think it's only

434
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Speaker 1: four days this year where they've pitched the starter on

435
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Speaker 1: four days rest. They use more rest with their starting

436
00:21:00,518 --> 00:21:03,158
Speaker 1: pitchers than any team in baseball, and they get fewer

437
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Speaker 1: innings out of their starting pitching. So the lack of

438
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Speaker 1: urgency for the LA Dodgers, and I get why they're

439
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Speaker 1: doing this. They have tremendous depth. They can do it,

440
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Speaker 1: but it may come back to burn them. Joe, And

441
00:21:16,158 --> 00:21:18,518
Speaker 1: you got the San Diego Padres breathing down their next

442
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Speaker 1: We all know they're not afraid of the Dodgers at all.

443
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Speaker 1: They match up really well against them. So give me

444
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Speaker 1: your take on the Padres versus Dodgers, who, by the way,

445
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Speaker 1: have the sixth highest odds of winning the World Series.

446
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Speaker 1: Give me your take on that race. There in the

447
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Speaker 1: nl West we.

448
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Speaker 2: Described the Dodger as well. Right now, it's like they're

449
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Speaker 2: getting ready for the NBC tournament Wichita, Kansas. So it's like,

450
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Speaker 2: you know, you're getting holding back, holding back, You're trying

451
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Speaker 2: to accumulate everybody well at a certain time, and then

452
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Speaker 2: you want to flip on the switch and hopefully beat

453
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Speaker 2: or believing that they could beat everybody else. I always

454
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Speaker 2: have a little bit of an issue with that, you know,

455
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Speaker 2: And I get it, Like you just pointed out, they

456
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Speaker 2: have the kind of depth that they can maneuver, manipulate

457
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Speaker 2: like this, and on paper it sounds really good. The

458
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Speaker 2: fact that they won it all last year gives them

459
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Speaker 2: a little bit of too. I'm quite frankly, I don't

460
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Speaker 2: you know, the urgency of winning the World Championship not

461
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Speaker 2: as severe. I'm just just a human quality. Not as severe,

462
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Speaker 2: not as burning as it had been, So that's part

463
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Speaker 2: of it too. Nobody would ever admit that, but I'm

464
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Speaker 2: saying that I believe it to be true. So there

465
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Speaker 2: there's still he's still looking Andrew long term. If they

466
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Speaker 2: don't get it this year, we still can't burn people

467
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Speaker 2: out for the next year in the years to come

468
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Speaker 2: after that show. Hey, you know, being part of the

469
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Speaker 2: team for so long and all the different elements they

470
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Speaker 2: have coming along, so they're getting red of getting reddit

471
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Speaker 2: ready for tournament time right now. They want to win it,

472
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Speaker 2: but if it doesn't happen, we still don't want to

473
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Speaker 2: beat ourselves up so badly that we don't set up

474
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Speaker 2: well for the years to come. Seattle over San Diego.

475
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Speaker 2: I like Seattle over San Diego myself. I like the

476
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Speaker 2: vibe what I'm seeing when I watch the Mariners right now.

477
00:22:54,558 --> 00:22:58,798
Speaker 2: Rodriguez and then Suarez is really complimented all that very well.

478
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Speaker 2: Their catcher, you know, down a little bit post I'll

479
00:23:01,638 --> 00:23:04,278
Speaker 2: start game with all the history onics there. But I

480
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Speaker 2: love this guy. I just think he's an So you

481
00:23:06,838 --> 00:23:10,558
Speaker 2: can't get a more throwback, gritty player than Rawley is.

482
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Speaker 2: And they got plenty of pitching too. If they catch

483
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Speaker 2: the ball pretty well. I like I like Wilson at

484
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Speaker 2: the Helm. I think is a steady any kind of guy.

485
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Speaker 2: Not I don'ntlike shilty. Shilty is the same way as

486
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Speaker 2: San Diego. But I think overarching. I know you mentioned

487
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Speaker 2: the bullpen, but I like overall man for man roster depth,

488
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Speaker 2: what they can and cannot do. I like Seattle. I

489
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Speaker 2: like Seattle right now. They've got a kind of a

490
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Speaker 2: good vibe going on. I just think again it's San

491
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Speaker 2: Diego is a Nation League version of the Blue Jays.

492
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Speaker 2: For me, something just seems to fall short at a

493
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Speaker 2: certain moment or point, and that's it's hard to describe.

494
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Speaker 2: They just it's just not as tightly played as what

495
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing with Seattle right now. So Dodgers getting ready

496
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Speaker 2: for Wichita. If they don't want it, that's final. They'll

497
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Speaker 2: go back again next year. Seattle, I think, has this

498
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Speaker 2: little vibe going on right now, and that city is

499
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Speaker 2: electric when they're going well that that Towndy show. Not

500
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Speaker 2: that San Diego doesn't, but a maner's got this little

501
00:24:05,118 --> 00:24:06,518
Speaker 2: niche thing too. That's kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you can start to see that and

503
00:24:08,758 --> 00:24:11,678
Speaker 1: feel that build in Seattle, they're on just started a

504
00:24:11,758 --> 00:24:14,638
Speaker 1: really tough I think it's a ten day or ten

505
00:24:14,678 --> 00:24:18,238
Speaker 1: game East Coast road trip. That's always key for Majoe

506
00:24:18,238 --> 00:24:20,718
Speaker 1: when you see these West Coast teams come east late

507
00:24:20,758 --> 00:24:23,238
Speaker 1: in the season like this. We all know about Seattle

508
00:24:23,278 --> 00:24:25,398
Speaker 1: the most travel of any major League team. This will

509
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Speaker 1: be a test for them coming east because they just

510
00:24:28,358 --> 00:24:30,518
Speaker 1: age come off a brilliant home stand in which they

511
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Speaker 1: went nine and one and the magic was just rolling.

512
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Speaker 1: They're an interesting team, Joe, because you know their path

513
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Speaker 1: to winning is through home runs. You know this their

514
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Speaker 1: top four home run hitting team. They're not a great

515
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Speaker 1: team in terms of putting the ball and play and

516
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Speaker 1: catching it, and they're twenty ninth with hitting in runners

517
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Speaker 1: in scoring position. They do strike out a lot twenty

518
00:24:53,838 --> 00:24:56,638
Speaker 1: fourth and strikeout rate. But I also think that things

519
00:24:56,678 --> 00:24:58,598
Speaker 1: have changed a little bit with the additions of Gino

520
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Speaker 1: Suarez and Josh Naylor. So when you look at some

521
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Speaker 1: of the overlying numbers for Seattle all it almost reminds

522
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Speaker 1: me of the way that the nineteen Nationals fixed their bullpen.

523
00:25:08,918 --> 00:25:11,118
Speaker 1: Their bullpen numbers were terrible, but they had kind of

524
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Speaker 1: a different look to their bullpen by the time they

525
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Speaker 1: got to October and I kind of look at Seattle

526
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Speaker 1: that way. Not a great offensive team, but better than

527
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Speaker 1: what we saw the first three months of the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't really. You got to disregard those numbers

529
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Speaker 2: a little bit. I even forgot to mention Naylor. He's

530
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Speaker 2: been looking the other day, looked like he had pulled

531
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Speaker 2: something and hurt himself. Then the next day's hitting a

532
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Speaker 2: home run on a pitch over his head. Those sars

533
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Speaker 2: in him are like huge difference makers as baseball players

534
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Speaker 2: and stats are concerned, and I think psychologically for the

535
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Speaker 2: entire group, Wu's outstanding man, Gilbert. There's a lot to

536
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Speaker 2: like up there. For me, I didn't realize their defense

537
00:25:48,318 --> 00:25:51,678
Speaker 2: was done. I don't know where exactly. They're coming up

538
00:25:51,798 --> 00:25:55,518
Speaker 2: short big time, but you know, I don't see them

539
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Speaker 2: as being awful by any means. I liked them. I

540
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Speaker 2: don't know. Watched with those like I said, with those

541
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Speaker 2: swars and Naylor being part of the mix right now,

542
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Speaker 2: it's kind of interesting. So, like I said, if I

543
00:26:07,358 --> 00:26:09,318
Speaker 2: had to go head to head, I'd pick Mariners over

544
00:26:09,358 --> 00:26:13,838
Speaker 2: the Padres right now, and that the Dodgers. Of course

545
00:26:13,838 --> 00:26:16,838
Speaker 2: they're gonna be into playoffs, but it's just they something's

546
00:26:16,878 --> 00:26:18,758
Speaker 2: got to click. There's something's got to happen there to

547
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Speaker 2: light their fire.

548
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Mookie Betts is really having a down season.

549
00:26:22,838 --> 00:26:24,998
Speaker 1: It hasn't really turned it around yet, so we'll keep

550
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Speaker 1: an eye on that. Interesting that Dave Roberts. I don't

551
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Speaker 1: want to say he called out show Heyotani, but I

552
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Speaker 1: did mention the other day there was a bat basis

553
00:26:33,798 --> 00:26:36,398
Speaker 1: loaded Lady chased a three two breaking ball from Jeff

554
00:26:36,438 --> 00:26:38,958
Speaker 1: Hoffin against Toronto and then Bets made the last out.

555
00:26:40,798 --> 00:26:43,918
Speaker 1: I don't worry about the Dodgers in terms of talent

556
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Speaker 1: and someone like Bets, but I do worry that they're

557
00:26:47,118 --> 00:26:50,118
Speaker 1: not clicking on all cylinders or even close to it.

558
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Speaker 1: And I think it's just too hard to just turn

559
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Speaker 1: it on once you get to October. So give me

560
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Speaker 1: your take on Seattle, Joe. I mean, I mentioned that

561
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Speaker 1: Houston surprised me that they're third with the third highest

562
00:27:01,238 --> 00:27:04,718
Speaker 1: odds to win the World Series. I actually thinks Seattle

563
00:27:04,878 --> 00:27:07,558
Speaker 1: is going to overtake the Astros. And that's no knock

564
00:27:07,598 --> 00:27:10,558
Speaker 1: of the Astros, and they definitely respect their pedigree and

565
00:27:10,558 --> 00:27:14,758
Speaker 1: the way they play, but they're so right handed and

566
00:27:15,038 --> 00:27:17,558
Speaker 1: there's been some issuons with health. You mentioned Hobbier's back.

567
00:27:17,558 --> 00:27:19,718
Speaker 1: We'll see how he looks. But give me your take

568
00:27:19,758 --> 00:27:22,838
Speaker 1: on whether you like Seattle or Houston to come away

569
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Speaker 1: in the American League West.

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Speaker 2: You're right, I mean they're nipping on the heels right there.

571
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Speaker 2: The thing that I can't you Houston is man, they

572
00:27:33,358 --> 00:27:36,678
Speaker 2: just always seem to surface or resurface. Kraya back is

573
00:27:36,678 --> 00:27:38,678
Speaker 2: a little bit of a spark. He's been doing well

574
00:27:38,838 --> 00:27:41,278
Speaker 2: right now. Let's see how that continues to play out.

575
00:27:41,438 --> 00:27:43,798
Speaker 2: I saw make some nice plays at third base also,

576
00:27:44,398 --> 00:27:47,678
Speaker 2: so you got that vibe catching up again. Is Alvarez

577
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Speaker 2: the left end hitter? Is he coming back at all?

578
00:27:50,398 --> 00:27:52,958
Speaker 1: He should be back. It's been a long time. I

579
00:27:53,038 --> 00:27:56,158
Speaker 1: know Paradas is not coming back, but I think Alvarez

580
00:27:56,238 --> 00:27:59,358
Speaker 1: is a huge key because he's a great hitter first

581
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Speaker 1: of all, but also bounce out that lineup.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I'm telling you when that guy is right. I

583
00:28:04,038 --> 00:28:05,638
Speaker 2: said on the bench when I was with the Angels,

584
00:28:05,638 --> 00:28:07,318
Speaker 2: and I said to Troty, you realize this is like

585
00:28:07,678 --> 00:28:09,398
Speaker 2: top five hitter in all baseball. I said that the

586
00:28:09,478 --> 00:28:10,918
Speaker 2: trouty about Albaret's at that time.

587
00:28:11,278 --> 00:28:11,638
Speaker 1: You're right.

588
00:28:12,118 --> 00:28:15,878
Speaker 2: I think if he if he gets back that the

589
00:28:16,358 --> 00:28:19,198
Speaker 2: it'll it'll tilt in their favorite. However, when you're out

590
00:28:19,238 --> 00:28:21,318
Speaker 2: that long, it was like a rister hand injury, right

591
00:28:21,358 --> 00:28:22,678
Speaker 2: that he's got going on right now.

592
00:28:22,958 --> 00:28:25,118
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something when you.

593
00:28:25,118 --> 00:28:27,118
Speaker 2: Come back from eh, you know, you just don't know.

594
00:28:27,158 --> 00:28:29,398
Speaker 2: Those things are real tricky, even if you think you're well,

595
00:28:30,438 --> 00:28:33,118
Speaker 2: I'm just tap dancing. I still like the Astros. The

596
00:28:33,158 --> 00:28:36,918
Speaker 2: Mariners really have to prove it. Astros tried and true. Korea.

597
00:28:37,198 --> 00:28:39,478
Speaker 2: The ViBe's kind of there right now. If Albarea shows

598
00:28:39,558 --> 00:28:42,238
Speaker 2: up again, it's listen, it's gonna be interesting, it's gonna

599
00:28:42,278 --> 00:28:44,638
Speaker 2: be good, it's gonna be tight. But I still like

600
00:28:44,758 --> 00:28:48,118
Speaker 2: the Astros, just to say their building. Although they weren't

601
00:28:48,158 --> 00:28:49,678
Speaker 2: that good there a couple of years ago, but they're

602
00:28:51,358 --> 00:28:54,038
Speaker 2: they They just seem to know how to win when

603
00:28:54,038 --> 00:28:54,558
Speaker 2: it matters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as we talk about World Series odds, where at

605
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Speaker 1: that time of year where it's, uh, we're getting a

606
00:29:01,158 --> 00:29:03,758
Speaker 1: kind of narrow look on who can win the World Series,

607
00:29:04,318 --> 00:29:06,158
Speaker 1: there's one team we need to talk about, Joe, and

608
00:29:06,158 --> 00:29:09,798
Speaker 1: that's the New York Yankees. And one of their most

609
00:29:09,838 --> 00:29:14,558
Speaker 1: reliable players is no longer reliable. And we'll talk about

610
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Speaker 1: him right after this on the Book of Joe.

611
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Speaker 2: Joe.

612
00:29:26,518 --> 00:29:28,998
Speaker 1: We've talked a lot on this podcast about the Yankees

613
00:29:29,038 --> 00:29:31,198
Speaker 1: and what's wrong, and certainly it's a long list when

614
00:29:31,198 --> 00:29:33,878
Speaker 1: you talk about their base running, their defense, some of

615
00:29:33,918 --> 00:29:37,078
Speaker 1: the issues in the bullpen, which they apparently have fixed.

616
00:29:38,398 --> 00:29:40,478
Speaker 1: We'll see how that plays out of the trade deadline.

617
00:29:41,398 --> 00:29:44,718
Speaker 1: But now Max Reid is a different picture than what

618
00:29:44,758 --> 00:29:46,958
Speaker 1: we first saw the first seventeen starts of the season

619
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Speaker 1: when the Yankees went thirteen to four with him on

620
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Speaker 1: the mound. Since the start of July, they're at two

621
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Speaker 1: and five when he takes the ball and his ERA

622
00:29:55,278 --> 00:29:58,558
Speaker 1: is six. It's a different picture. I know he went

623
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Speaker 1: through a blister issue. He had one start abbreviated against

624
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Speaker 1: the Cubs, and they skipped his next start against the

625
00:30:03,558 --> 00:30:07,278
Speaker 1: braz to give him some time to address that blister issue.

626
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Speaker 1: But the fact is he's back on the mound that

627
00:30:09,678 --> 00:30:12,438
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with his velocity, nothing wrong with his spin.

628
00:30:12,958 --> 00:30:16,318
Speaker 1: But right now his command is really poor and he

629
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Speaker 1: is getting hit much more than he did early in

630
00:30:19,838 --> 00:30:24,678
Speaker 1: this season. I think that he's this is a guy Joe.

631
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Speaker 1: To me, it's kind of like Aaron Judge on the

632
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Speaker 1: pitching side. You know, you need that folkrum, that guy

633
00:30:29,558 --> 00:30:31,078
Speaker 1: who's going to go out there and give you a

634
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Speaker 1: solid start every time he takes the ball six or

635
00:30:33,278 --> 00:30:36,118
Speaker 1: seven innings, you know, And that's what he had been doing.

636
00:30:36,198 --> 00:30:39,158
Speaker 1: He was a losing streak stopper whenever he took the ball.

637
00:30:40,078 --> 00:30:42,078
Speaker 1: I think the Yankees are in trouble. He's got eight

638
00:30:42,118 --> 00:30:45,318
Speaker 1: starts left and if he doesn't figure out the command

639
00:30:45,398 --> 00:30:48,158
Speaker 1: issues right now, they're going to have a hard time

640
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Speaker 1: just holding on to a playoff spot. And now he's

641
00:30:50,918 --> 00:30:54,838
Speaker 1: been throughout his career a great stretch run pitcher, especially

642
00:30:54,878 --> 00:30:57,878
Speaker 1: in September. He's got the pedigree. We know that he's

643
00:30:57,918 --> 00:30:59,958
Speaker 1: got the stuff, he's got the smarts to do it,

644
00:31:01,318 --> 00:31:03,438
Speaker 1: but so far he hasn't figured it out. A bad

645
00:31:03,438 --> 00:31:06,118
Speaker 1: start out Sunday against the Houston Astros where he gave

646
00:31:06,238 --> 00:31:10,758
Speaker 1: up five two strike hits. Not the same picture, but

647
00:31:11,118 --> 00:31:12,798
Speaker 1: the Yanches need him to figure out. Tell me what

648
00:31:12,838 --> 00:31:13,838
Speaker 1: you see with Max Reed.

649
00:31:14,318 --> 00:31:16,438
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I know he said the blister as

650
00:31:16,478 --> 00:31:19,038
Speaker 2: well and everything, but and you gave me the numbers

651
00:31:19,078 --> 00:31:22,358
Speaker 2: are pretty consistent. However, there might just be something in

652
00:31:22,398 --> 00:31:24,078
Speaker 2: the back of his mind that he's holding back on.

653
00:31:24,158 --> 00:31:27,198
Speaker 2: Maybe he changed the grip pressure of what he the

654
00:31:27,238 --> 00:31:29,878
Speaker 2: seam on his finger somehow, only to prevent this from

655
00:31:29,918 --> 00:31:33,558
Speaker 2: happening again. It sounds like something, you know, something micro

656
00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:36,238
Speaker 2: is out of whack rider. Obviously, that's what happens with

657
00:31:36,318 --> 00:31:38,278
Speaker 2: a really good athlete when he's not doing well. It's micro,

658
00:31:38,358 --> 00:31:41,438
Speaker 2: it's not macro. And it sounds like that were for him.

659
00:31:41,478 --> 00:31:44,118
Speaker 2: So I'd be curious if, in fact, in order to

660
00:31:44,598 --> 00:31:46,758
Speaker 2: not have this happen again, he tried to make some

661
00:31:46,878 --> 00:31:49,798
Speaker 2: kind of an adjustment that just got him off just

662
00:31:49,838 --> 00:31:51,758
Speaker 2: a click, just a little bit. And right now, when

663
00:31:51,798 --> 00:31:54,758
Speaker 2: you get into that negative cycle coming off that, it's

664
00:31:54,838 --> 00:31:58,438
Speaker 2: kind of an injury. The blisters. Blisters are no fun, man,

665
00:31:58,558 --> 00:32:01,278
Speaker 2: They really are annoying. It's like an ingrown toenail on

666
00:32:01,358 --> 00:32:04,398
Speaker 2: your hand. It's just it's just really there all trying

667
00:32:04,438 --> 00:32:07,238
Speaker 2: to not have a bite. And maybe that's part of

668
00:32:07,278 --> 00:32:09,078
Speaker 2: it too, and he's just not letting it go like

669
00:32:09,118 --> 00:32:12,638
Speaker 2: he had. Hopefully, he'd like to believe, giving a certain

670
00:32:12,678 --> 00:32:14,838
Speaker 2: amount of time, that he's going to get by that

671
00:32:14,998 --> 00:32:16,358
Speaker 2: or it's going to really heal up to the point

672
00:32:16,358 --> 00:32:18,918
Speaker 2: where it doesn't bother him anymore. And if his history

673
00:32:19,078 --> 00:32:22,638
Speaker 2: is good in the stretch, and like, if there's nothing

674
00:32:22,718 --> 00:32:25,158
Speaker 2: really wrong with this finger, I'm betting he can get

675
00:32:25,158 --> 00:32:27,918
Speaker 2: good in the scretch. Again, it's hard to go wire

676
00:32:27,958 --> 00:32:30,478
Speaker 2: to wire all year long and be perfect in which

677
00:32:30,478 --> 00:32:32,678
Speaker 2: he had been early on, and then of course this

678
00:32:32,798 --> 00:32:35,758
Speaker 2: issue with his fingertip matters, So just give it a

679
00:32:35,758 --> 00:32:38,318
Speaker 2: little bit more time. I'm not saying that the Yankees

680
00:32:38,318 --> 00:32:40,478
Speaker 2: aren't in trouble. I agree that they are, but I

681
00:32:40,518 --> 00:32:43,198
Speaker 2: think just give him a little bit more time, if

682
00:32:43,198 --> 00:32:45,718
Speaker 2: in fact that's his track record, to make sure that

683
00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:47,998
Speaker 2: this thing is in order, if he had made any

684
00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:50,238
Speaker 2: micro adjustments, that he gets back to what he had been.

685
00:32:50,638 --> 00:32:55,918
Speaker 2: The two strike knocks again, are they softies? Are they bloopers?

686
00:32:55,918 --> 00:32:58,318
Speaker 2: Are they well struck? Is it just bad luck? I

687
00:32:58,358 --> 00:33:01,038
Speaker 2: don't know, so that would be part of my evaluation

688
00:33:01,158 --> 00:33:04,398
Speaker 2: there too. But the guy is good. I'd say by

689
00:33:04,398 --> 00:33:05,518
Speaker 2: September one, we should know.

690
00:33:05,718 --> 00:33:07,198
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I think you have to go

691
00:33:07,238 --> 00:33:09,438
Speaker 1: back to when he signed with the Yankees. Obviously, Max

692
00:33:09,478 --> 00:33:12,278
Speaker 1: Fried has been a hugely successful pitcher in the big leagues,

693
00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:15,118
Speaker 1: and when he got to the Yankees, he said, listen,

694
00:33:15,118 --> 00:33:18,998
Speaker 1: I'm open to any ideas from your analyst. Whatever, technology,

695
00:33:19,038 --> 00:33:23,558
Speaker 1: you have pitch shaping, sequencing, and I applaud him for that.

696
00:33:23,918 --> 00:33:27,598
Speaker 1: And to me, Joe, he has a very different orientation

697
00:33:27,878 --> 00:33:30,918
Speaker 1: as a pitcher. Now he's gone from a true north

698
00:33:30,958 --> 00:33:34,478
Speaker 1: south pitcher to a true east west pitcher. It's very

699
00:33:34,518 --> 00:33:36,998
Speaker 1: unusual for me to see a pitcher who's been highly

700
00:33:37,038 --> 00:33:42,558
Speaker 1: successful make this change to this extent, he's gone heavy

701
00:33:42,878 --> 00:33:46,718
Speaker 1: in terms of cutter sweeper, whereas before he was overhand

702
00:33:46,798 --> 00:33:49,678
Speaker 1: curve for seam fastball. If you look in his career

703
00:33:49,718 --> 00:33:52,958
Speaker 1: before he signed with the Yankees, sixty three percent of

704
00:33:52,998 --> 00:33:56,718
Speaker 1: his pitches were curveball, four seemer. You know that's the

705
00:33:56,758 --> 00:34:01,198
Speaker 1: whole Jim Palmer, Sandy Kovax, you know, Clayton Kurshrow traditional

706
00:34:01,998 --> 00:34:05,998
Speaker 1: making swing decisions on a north south vertical basis, right,

707
00:34:06,038 --> 00:34:08,878
Speaker 1: And you look at what he's doing now. Forty three

708
00:34:08,998 --> 00:34:12,278
Speaker 1: percent of his pitches are cutters and sweepers. The cutter

709
00:34:12,358 --> 00:34:16,918
Speaker 1: has become his number one pitch, and I think he

710
00:34:17,318 --> 00:34:19,998
Speaker 1: caught a lot of hitters off guard. Whatever the scouting

711
00:34:19,998 --> 00:34:22,678
Speaker 1: report was on Max Freed, you know, you could throw

712
00:34:22,718 --> 00:34:24,198
Speaker 1: it out the window, and it took a while for

713
00:34:24,238 --> 00:34:25,918
Speaker 1: the league to adjust to it. And I think they

714
00:34:25,998 --> 00:34:28,678
Speaker 1: have adjusted to it, his command is not as good.

715
00:34:28,798 --> 00:34:31,318
Speaker 1: The cutter does not have the same movement when you

716
00:34:31,318 --> 00:34:33,838
Speaker 1: look at the measurements of it on glove side as

717
00:34:33,838 --> 00:34:36,678
Speaker 1: it did early in the season. He's just a completely

718
00:34:36,718 --> 00:34:39,278
Speaker 1: different pitcher, and it worked a perfection. I give the

719
00:34:39,318 --> 00:34:43,558
Speaker 1: guy credit because his sweeper and cutter combo were unbelievably good.

720
00:34:43,638 --> 00:34:45,398
Speaker 1: Made very few mistakes with it in the first half

721
00:34:45,438 --> 00:34:48,878
Speaker 1: of the season. But if you look at his dispersal

722
00:34:48,958 --> 00:34:51,518
Speaker 1: on that cutter, which he loves to just run in

723
00:34:51,838 --> 00:34:54,158
Speaker 1: right on the edge of the plate on inside the

724
00:34:54,198 --> 00:34:57,038
Speaker 1: right handed hitters, he's got a wider dispersal on it.

725
00:34:57,038 --> 00:34:59,038
Speaker 1: The command is not as good on the pitch. Is

726
00:34:59,038 --> 00:35:02,398
Speaker 1: that the blister causing that? I don't know. Maybe maybe

727
00:35:02,398 --> 00:35:04,878
Speaker 1: it's the hitters adjusting to what and now you're expecting

728
00:35:04,918 --> 00:35:07,318
Speaker 1: to see from Max Freed. I mean, you a three

729
00:35:07,358 --> 00:35:09,758
Speaker 1: to two count with Max Freed. Until this year, you

730
00:35:09,798 --> 00:35:13,038
Speaker 1: were getting a fastball sixty three sixty six percent of

731
00:35:13,078 --> 00:35:15,158
Speaker 1: the time two thirds of the time. Now you're getting

732
00:35:15,158 --> 00:35:18,878
Speaker 1: a cutter on three and two. So basically the scattering

733
00:35:18,958 --> 00:35:21,398
Speaker 1: report of Max Freed has changed. He is a true

734
00:35:21,438 --> 00:35:24,878
Speaker 1: east west pitcher now, not a northous pitcher. I'd like

735
00:35:24,918 --> 00:35:26,358
Speaker 1: to see him go back and throw a few more

736
00:35:26,398 --> 00:35:28,478
Speaker 1: fastballs because to me, Joe, when I look at his

737
00:35:28,558 --> 00:35:31,998
Speaker 1: release point now, his arm angle is actually lower now.

738
00:35:32,238 --> 00:35:33,958
Speaker 1: And when you get to the side of the baseball

739
00:35:33,998 --> 00:35:36,198
Speaker 1: as much as he is now, rather than getting behind

740
00:35:36,278 --> 00:35:38,758
Speaker 1: it on the curve ball and especially the four seamer,

741
00:35:39,438 --> 00:35:41,838
Speaker 1: it's going to change the way your hand works. And

742
00:35:42,478 --> 00:35:44,318
Speaker 1: I think you're starting to see that. I think there

743
00:35:44,358 --> 00:35:46,238
Speaker 1: has to be an adjustment at some point. I'm not

744
00:35:46,278 --> 00:35:48,998
Speaker 1: sure what it is, but to get his command back,

745
00:35:49,838 --> 00:35:51,078
Speaker 1: he's got to make that adjustment.

746
00:35:51,118 --> 00:35:53,318
Speaker 2: Now. Well, you just covered it. I mean, as you're

747
00:35:53,598 --> 00:35:56,438
Speaker 2: bringing as you brought up the topic. I'm writing notes

748
00:35:56,478 --> 00:35:59,518
Speaker 2: down and you covered everything I wrote down. The initial

749
00:35:59,558 --> 00:36:02,198
Speaker 2: success may have been that he surprised everybody, no question

750
00:36:02,278 --> 00:36:05,958
Speaker 2: about that. Maybe the blister is exaggerated by this new

751
00:36:06,358 --> 00:36:09,558
Speaker 2: shaping of pitches and how his finger was placed on

752
00:36:09,598 --> 00:36:12,278
Speaker 2: the on the ball during that time and over a

753
00:36:12,278 --> 00:36:14,718
Speaker 2: period of time, like the pitches did get flatter, there

754
00:36:14,758 --> 00:36:18,238
Speaker 2: wasn't the crispiness to them. And again getting away from

755
00:36:18,238 --> 00:36:20,798
Speaker 2: the elevated fastball, and that I love his big old curve.

756
00:36:20,798 --> 00:36:23,238
Speaker 2: I'm a curveball fan. I'm not as much of a

757
00:36:23,278 --> 00:36:26,758
Speaker 2: sweeper cutter fan, I'm not. I think you go to

758
00:36:26,838 --> 00:36:31,598
Speaker 2: those if you're not successful. They probably MY guess would

759
00:36:31,598 --> 00:36:34,158
Speaker 2: be that sweeper cutter easier to throw a strike with

760
00:36:34,278 --> 00:36:37,558
Speaker 2: than elevated fastball. Curveball. Curveball is hard to land, so

761
00:36:37,598 --> 00:36:40,718
Speaker 2: maybe they were just looking they being the Yankees, a

762
00:36:40,878 --> 00:36:44,478
Speaker 2: more efficient way to land strikes. Possibly, But I'll tell

763
00:36:44,478 --> 00:36:47,398
Speaker 2: you what, and everybody curveball. Everybody thinks the curveball is

764
00:36:47,438 --> 00:36:50,558
Speaker 2: really nasty against the same side. It's not like I

765
00:36:50,638 --> 00:36:53,038
Speaker 2: like opposite. I like when the left he's got a

766
00:36:53,038 --> 00:36:55,958
Speaker 2: good hook, where right he's got a good hook. I

767
00:36:56,038 --> 00:36:57,678
Speaker 2: like the righting to use it against his lefty and

768
00:36:57,718 --> 00:36:59,438
Speaker 2: the left to use it against his righty. It's a

769
00:36:59,478 --> 00:37:02,478
Speaker 2: really tough pitch when it dives down underneath these guys.

770
00:37:02,518 --> 00:37:04,598
Speaker 2: So again I don't I don't know the whole break down,

771
00:37:05,038 --> 00:37:08,398
Speaker 2: but you're right, I would be curious because I didn't

772
00:37:08,438 --> 00:37:11,758
Speaker 2: know all this stuff. That's good stuff to really let's

773
00:37:11,758 --> 00:37:13,718
Speaker 2: go back in history a little bit right now and

774
00:37:13,838 --> 00:37:16,318
Speaker 2: permit which is really a bad word to use her,

775
00:37:16,358 --> 00:37:18,918
Speaker 2: but let him just get back out there. Listen, get

776
00:37:18,958 --> 00:37:20,638
Speaker 2: back to your elevated fast but let's pop some more

777
00:37:20,678 --> 00:37:23,038
Speaker 2: hooks in here and right now they become savvy to

778
00:37:23,078 --> 00:37:25,678
Speaker 2: this other thing and the others pitches are getting flatter

779
00:37:25,838 --> 00:37:29,478
Speaker 2: just based on armstroke right now. Yeah, you made a

780
00:37:29,558 --> 00:37:31,358
Speaker 2: lot of great points right there, So to me, it'd

781
00:37:31,398 --> 00:37:33,918
Speaker 2: be relatively easy. And yet we're not in the room.

782
00:37:34,398 --> 00:37:37,438
Speaker 2: The conversations may have already existed or exist, but it

783
00:37:37,478 --> 00:37:39,598
Speaker 2: sounds to me like maybe getting back to tried and

784
00:37:39,598 --> 00:37:41,838
Speaker 2: true might be beneficial right now.

785
00:37:41,998 --> 00:37:44,358
Speaker 1: So you look at the Yankees and their two most

786
00:37:44,398 --> 00:37:47,198
Speaker 1: reliable players are just not reliable right now. It's Max

787
00:37:47,198 --> 00:37:49,358
Speaker 1: Freed and Aaron Judge.

788
00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:50,238
Speaker 2: Joe.

789
00:37:50,838 --> 00:37:52,918
Speaker 1: If you're the manager, you're Aaron Boone. All you can

790
00:37:52,918 --> 00:37:54,718
Speaker 1: go by is what the doctors tell you, right and

791
00:37:54,798 --> 00:37:56,638
Speaker 1: when this guy is ready to play the outfield so

792
00:37:56,678 --> 00:38:00,078
Speaker 1: that you can have Stanton and Judge together every day.

793
00:38:00,638 --> 00:38:03,038
Speaker 1: Right now, Judge is the DH. If you look back

794
00:38:03,238 --> 00:38:05,878
Speaker 1: at his last forty two games, he's hit two thirty

795
00:38:05,878 --> 00:38:08,838
Speaker 1: eight and the strikeout rate has really pronounced it. It's

796
00:38:08,838 --> 00:38:11,358
Speaker 1: gone up. This is a guy who's chasing four hundred

797
00:38:11,798 --> 00:38:15,278
Speaker 1: through the first sixty some odd games of the season,

798
00:38:16,558 --> 00:38:18,718
Speaker 1: and it's to me it's only a matter of health.

799
00:38:19,038 --> 00:38:21,798
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's Rust. I'm sure there's probably

800
00:38:21,918 --> 00:38:25,758
Speaker 1: some compensation for that flexer strain that he had in

801
00:38:25,838 --> 00:38:28,518
Speaker 1: terms of his hitting. I'm not worried about Aaron Judge,

802
00:38:28,518 --> 00:38:31,918
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. But you know, the Yankees need

803
00:38:31,998 --> 00:38:34,478
Speaker 1: him at full strength. They need him to play the outfield.

804
00:38:35,438 --> 00:38:35,638
Speaker 2: You know.

805
00:38:35,718 --> 00:38:38,238
Speaker 1: The worry here is that if he's not yet ready

806
00:38:38,238 --> 00:38:39,718
Speaker 1: to play the outfield, you put him out there and

807
00:38:39,758 --> 00:38:43,198
Speaker 1: he has to make one strong throw. You know, who

808
00:38:43,238 --> 00:38:48,038
Speaker 1: knows what can happen to that flexer. So you know, again,

809
00:38:48,238 --> 00:38:50,478
Speaker 1: am I worried about Judge? No, but I don't. I

810
00:38:50,558 --> 00:38:52,838
Speaker 1: like the Yankees a lot less if he's a full

811
00:38:52,878 --> 00:38:53,678
Speaker 1: time DH.

812
00:38:53,798 --> 00:38:56,758
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a different attitude for a baseball player.

813
00:38:57,158 --> 00:39:00,398
Speaker 2: The guys used to being out there killing time in

814
00:39:00,438 --> 00:39:03,078
Speaker 2: between at batch of the DH is difficult if you're

815
00:39:03,118 --> 00:39:05,798
Speaker 2: not that guy. All the Tomic of Poppy was really

816
00:39:05,798 --> 00:39:07,798
Speaker 2: good at it, Edgar Martinez was really good at it.

817
00:39:07,878 --> 00:39:10,638
Speaker 2: Frank Thomas became very good at it. These are guys

818
00:39:10,638 --> 00:39:13,318
Speaker 2: that really lacked a position or didn't really didn't matter

819
00:39:13,358 --> 00:39:14,838
Speaker 2: to them if they played on the field or not.

820
00:39:15,158 --> 00:39:17,678
Speaker 2: Chilie Davis at the end of his career outstanding DH.

821
00:39:18,718 --> 00:39:21,558
Speaker 2: It's a position it's different when you have to sit

822
00:39:21,598 --> 00:39:24,518
Speaker 2: idly during the course of the game. Fill up your time,

823
00:39:24,598 --> 00:39:28,278
Speaker 2: get on a bike, stationary bike down below, go down

824
00:39:28,318 --> 00:39:30,918
Speaker 2: to the cage. Somebody throws you maybe ten pitches before

825
00:39:30,918 --> 00:39:33,558
Speaker 2: you're next that bat. You try to stay loose as

826
00:39:33,638 --> 00:39:35,678
Speaker 2: much as you can mentally and physically, and it's hard,

827
00:39:36,238 --> 00:39:38,398
Speaker 2: and it's hard, especially for a guy like Judge. I think,

828
00:39:38,438 --> 00:39:41,318
Speaker 2: who loves being out there, and I think it's a

829
00:39:41,398 --> 00:39:44,158
Speaker 2: he's better able to compartmentalize everything that's occurring in the

830
00:39:44,198 --> 00:39:48,358
Speaker 2: game and it makes it easier for him. So yeah,

831
00:39:48,398 --> 00:39:50,878
Speaker 2: all those are great points. Once again, I still believe

832
00:39:51,198 --> 00:39:53,318
Speaker 2: put him in the outfield. You get your second basement

833
00:39:53,358 --> 00:39:55,318
Speaker 2: way out there. I don't care what the situation is.

834
00:39:55,358 --> 00:39:57,398
Speaker 2: He lobs it back in. How many times do you

835
00:39:57,438 --> 00:39:59,998
Speaker 2: throw somebody out at the plate? Anyway, there was a

836
00:40:00,078 --> 00:40:01,718
Speaker 2: year with the Rays I didn't do it at all.

837
00:40:01,718 --> 00:40:03,638
Speaker 2: I had everybody throw it a second or outfield arms

838
00:40:03,678 --> 00:40:06,438
Speaker 2: weren't that good. And Zin pointed out to me that

839
00:40:06,478 --> 00:40:08,798
Speaker 2: Paul Richards, the very bright form of manager of the

840
00:40:08,798 --> 00:40:12,198
Speaker 2: White Sox back in the fifties, insist that never throw

841
00:40:12,198 --> 00:40:14,198
Speaker 2: the ball to plate, of course, unless it's the last out.

842
00:40:14,198 --> 00:40:16,518
Speaker 2: Of the winning run of the game. Otherwise I want

843
00:40:16,518 --> 00:40:18,318
Speaker 2: the ball going to second base, So there's ways to

844
00:40:18,358 --> 00:40:21,398
Speaker 2: get around it. But I think that they should consider that.

845
00:40:21,678 --> 00:40:24,518
Speaker 2: And again, if it's if it is late after his

846
00:40:24,598 --> 00:40:26,518
Speaker 2: last at bat saying the eighth any whatever, I knows

847
00:40:26,558 --> 00:40:29,878
Speaker 2: it's tough to put that defensive replacement in there for him. Wow.

848
00:40:29,958 --> 00:40:32,158
Speaker 1: So you think you can put Judge in the outfield

849
00:40:32,438 --> 00:40:35,678
Speaker 1: and have him under orders basically to return the ball

850
00:40:35,758 --> 00:40:37,918
Speaker 1: to the infielder maybe a short distance away.

851
00:40:38,358 --> 00:40:38,598
Speaker 2: Yep.

852
00:40:38,678 --> 00:40:42,678
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So you're willingly giving up extra base. Obviously every

853
00:40:42,718 --> 00:40:45,398
Speaker 1: team would know that and instruct their runners run on

854
00:40:45,478 --> 00:40:46,118
Speaker 1: them every time.

855
00:40:46,678 --> 00:40:49,478
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean you have to yeak, you state them.

856
00:40:49,478 --> 00:40:52,078
Speaker 2: I think it's okay because of that second Chishnet busts

857
00:40:52,718 --> 00:40:55,398
Speaker 2: out to the outfield immediately on the to say ground ball,

858
00:40:55,438 --> 00:40:57,798
Speaker 2: base hit and Judge that's it, right back to him.

859
00:40:57,798 --> 00:41:00,958
Speaker 2: I think that will mitigate guys going because Aaron will

860
00:41:00,958 --> 00:41:02,958
Speaker 2: know how to charge the bay so Yankee Stateum, I

861
00:41:02,958 --> 00:41:05,478
Speaker 2: don't think is that big of an issue. Shoot, there'd

862
00:41:05,518 --> 00:41:08,238
Speaker 2: be a bigger right field. Might be somewhat and not

863
00:41:08,318 --> 00:41:12,158
Speaker 2: disagreeing with you, but again, you have to weigh the

864
00:41:12,318 --> 00:41:15,638
Speaker 2: potentialities here, whether it's Stanton hitting and Judge the hing

865
00:41:16,238 --> 00:41:19,078
Speaker 2: versus like maybe one or two times, maybe three times

866
00:41:19,078 --> 00:41:21,678
Speaker 2: where there might be some kind of a situation that

867
00:41:21,718 --> 00:41:24,238
Speaker 2: an extra base may be taken. After all, these guys

868
00:41:24,238 --> 00:41:26,958
Speaker 2: don't even care anymore if somebody steals second base. So

869
00:41:27,158 --> 00:41:30,358
Speaker 2: you'd almost have to be like paradigm shift thinking what

870
00:41:30,438 --> 00:41:33,318
Speaker 2: would it be equivalent to if we permitted this to happen,

871
00:41:33,398 --> 00:41:35,438
Speaker 2: or if it did happen. And so we're gonna talk

872
00:41:35,438 --> 00:41:37,838
Speaker 2: about it, We're gonna we're gonna filter through, We're gonna

873
00:41:37,878 --> 00:41:41,078
Speaker 2: get over it. It's probably gonna happen. We're gonna move on. Pictures,

874
00:41:41,518 --> 00:41:43,638
Speaker 2: be quiet, pictures. Do you want do you want Judge

875
00:41:43,638 --> 00:41:45,678
Speaker 2: in the outfield hitting or do you want an you

876
00:41:45,678 --> 00:41:47,718
Speaker 2: want Stanton in a lineup? Or do you want judges

877
00:41:47,718 --> 00:41:50,438
Speaker 2: a DH No Stanton and worry about an extra base

878
00:41:50,478 --> 00:41:52,438
Speaker 2: now and then. So that's that's the kind of conversation

879
00:41:52,878 --> 00:41:53,318
Speaker 2: I would have.

880
00:41:53,918 --> 00:41:56,398
Speaker 1: That's interesting. You may see that as soon as this week.

881
00:41:56,518 --> 00:41:58,318
Speaker 1: D It sounds like Judge will not be playing the

882
00:41:58,358 --> 00:42:02,198
Speaker 1: outfield against Minnesota in the series this week. But getting

883
00:42:02,238 --> 00:42:04,438
Speaker 1: back to our World Series odds, the Yankees right now

884
00:42:04,478 --> 00:42:08,478
Speaker 1: are tenth as far as World Series odds, and the

885
00:42:08,518 --> 00:42:12,758
Speaker 1: New York Mets are thirteenth. My goodness, what has happened

886
00:42:12,798 --> 00:42:15,038
Speaker 1: in New York baseball in the last month of the season.

887
00:42:15,398 --> 00:42:19,398
Speaker 1: Yankees at ten, the Mets at thirteen. But it actually

888
00:42:19,518 --> 00:42:21,598
Speaker 1: sounds about right. I still think the Mets are going

889
00:42:21,678 --> 00:42:23,238
Speaker 1: to be a really good team. I think thirteen is

890
00:42:23,278 --> 00:42:25,278
Speaker 1: a little bit low, but I understand the way things

891
00:42:25,278 --> 00:42:27,558
Speaker 1: are going now, or you're not in love with that team,

892
00:42:27,638 --> 00:42:30,158
Speaker 1: but I still think they can be a dangerous team.

893
00:42:30,318 --> 00:42:32,918
Speaker 2: I'm always reminded of the two thousand and five White

894
00:42:32,958 --> 00:42:35,718
Speaker 2: Socks that eventually in the World Series, because we went

895
00:42:35,718 --> 00:42:39,438
Speaker 2: in to play them early September and they stunk. They

896
00:42:39,518 --> 00:42:43,438
Speaker 2: were horrible, horrible, like they didn't have a pulse, there

897
00:42:43,478 --> 00:42:46,518
Speaker 2: were doa I mean it was gone. And then all

898
00:42:46,518 --> 00:42:48,838
Speaker 2: of a sudden they could not do anything wrong in

899
00:42:48,878 --> 00:42:53,998
Speaker 2: that pitching staff just took off. So if they I

900
00:42:53,998 --> 00:42:57,078
Speaker 2: mean to me, you're gonna have to it's playing perfect baseball.

901
00:42:57,278 --> 00:42:58,798
Speaker 2: You got to pitch your butts off, you got to

902
00:42:58,798 --> 00:43:00,598
Speaker 2: catch it, you got to get the thing, the know,

903
00:43:00,678 --> 00:43:03,638
Speaker 2: the big hit all that stuff. Now, it's difficult if

904
00:43:03,678 --> 00:43:05,398
Speaker 2: you're if you've been one way for so long your

905
00:43:05,398 --> 00:43:07,598
Speaker 2: record tells you who you are. Was that Bill Parcell's

906
00:43:07,758 --> 00:43:10,358
Speaker 2: talking about the record of the team. It's true. So

907
00:43:10,398 --> 00:43:12,438
Speaker 2: it's just it's not easy to flip a switch. I

908
00:43:12,478 --> 00:43:15,758
Speaker 2: know there's guy's names on papers and stuff, but it's

909
00:43:15,798 --> 00:43:19,718
Speaker 2: difficult to do that. But I've seen it. Ozzie's group

910
00:43:19,798 --> 00:43:22,198
Speaker 2: that year proved it to me. But they did it.

911
00:43:22,238 --> 00:43:25,118
Speaker 2: They shut us down. We couldn't even get in their

912
00:43:25,118 --> 00:43:28,078
Speaker 2: bullpen in the playoffs that year. We win the first game,

913
00:43:28,638 --> 00:43:31,318
Speaker 2: they beat us in the second game on a controversial call,

914
00:43:31,838 --> 00:43:33,598
Speaker 2: and then after that we couldn't even get in the bullpen.

915
00:43:33,798 --> 00:43:35,878
Speaker 1: Well, it is that time of year where it's it's

916
00:43:35,918 --> 00:43:38,958
Speaker 1: actually worthwhile talking about World Series odds because it's not

917
00:43:39,238 --> 00:43:42,478
Speaker 1: that far off. We're in the stretch. Run right here

918
00:43:42,678 --> 00:43:45,838
Speaker 1: and Joe. I began this podcast talking about a quote

919
00:43:45,838 --> 00:43:49,798
Speaker 1: from our good buddy Billy Shakespeare, and you always have

920
00:43:49,878 --> 00:43:51,678
Speaker 1: the last word on this. So who do you have

921
00:43:51,758 --> 00:43:54,838
Speaker 1: in mind for the last word of this episode of

922
00:43:54,838 --> 00:43:55,478
Speaker 1: the Book of Joe?

923
00:43:55,718 --> 00:43:58,598
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have actually who said? I got

924
00:43:58,598 --> 00:43:59,718
Speaker 2: so many good things here? Today?

925
00:43:59,758 --> 00:44:03,238
Speaker 1: It's just like, I'm oh, is this from anonymous? The

926
00:44:03,278 --> 00:44:06,598
Speaker 1: most quote? What did the philosopher ever, yeah, how many

927
00:44:06,638 --> 00:44:08,478
Speaker 1: most of you saying from anonymous. I got to find

928
00:44:08,518 --> 00:44:10,998
Speaker 1: out who this anonymous guy is. He sounds very smart.

929
00:44:11,238 --> 00:44:14,598
Speaker 2: I got a couple names attached to but my point

930
00:44:14,718 --> 00:44:17,598
Speaker 2: is I got I mean, my query today was about

931
00:44:17,638 --> 00:44:20,718
Speaker 2: too much information I was doing. I did a guest

932
00:44:20,758 --> 00:44:22,878
Speaker 2: at MLB Network and I was talking to Brian Kenney

933
00:44:22,918 --> 00:44:28,198
Speaker 2: and talking about advice to Rick Wilson with the Wilson

934
00:44:28,238 --> 00:44:30,958
Speaker 2: with the will excuse me se Rick Wilson's the scout

935
00:44:31,638 --> 00:44:35,318
Speaker 2: with the Mariners. And I went out and said, listen,

936
00:44:35,878 --> 00:44:39,598
Speaker 2: less information, do less less meetings, show up later, keep

937
00:44:39,638 --> 00:44:41,718
Speaker 2: them fresh, blah blah. And Ryan was kind of taken

938
00:44:41,758 --> 00:44:43,518
Speaker 2: by it. But it's true. This is the time of

939
00:44:43,558 --> 00:44:47,158
Speaker 2: the year when everybody wants to give more information, more reams,

940
00:44:47,558 --> 00:44:51,678
Speaker 2: more meetings, wearing people's brains out. I think it's absolutely wrong.

941
00:44:51,798 --> 00:44:55,398
Speaker 2: So I went with too much information And this is

942
00:44:55,478 --> 00:44:59,478
Speaker 2: really good. This comes from Wiley Communications. Information has become

943
00:44:59,518 --> 00:45:02,158
Speaker 2: a form of garbage. This quote conveys the feeling that

944
00:45:02,238 --> 00:45:05,078
Speaker 2: much of the information we encounter is not valuable or useful.

945
00:45:05,118 --> 00:45:05,718
Speaker 1: It's true.

946
00:45:05,958 --> 00:45:08,278
Speaker 2: That's one of my arguments. I could I'm just talking

947
00:45:08,278 --> 00:45:11,798
Speaker 2: in the baseball since in September. You give so much

948
00:45:11,838 --> 00:45:14,638
Speaker 2: information it's impossible to utilize it. And after all, at

949
00:45:14,638 --> 00:45:16,758
Speaker 2: the end of the day, who has better players playing

950
00:45:16,798 --> 00:45:19,478
Speaker 2: better baseball? Oh, the Milwaukee Brewers right now. I don't

951
00:45:19,478 --> 00:45:21,958
Speaker 2: care what their information looks like. They're just better right now,

952
00:45:21,998 --> 00:45:25,078
Speaker 2: they're playing better baseball. So I thought that was kind

953
00:45:25,078 --> 00:45:27,798
Speaker 2: of interesting. And the other one, with enough mental gymnastics,

954
00:45:27,838 --> 00:45:30,358
Speaker 2: just about any fact can become as shapen in favor

955
00:45:30,438 --> 00:45:33,798
Speaker 2: to one's confirmation bias. And you know that's it's true.

956
00:45:33,878 --> 00:45:37,718
Speaker 2: So right now, this time of the year, I always

957
00:45:37,718 --> 00:45:40,238
Speaker 2: want it less. I didn't want more. Just come on,

958
00:45:40,398 --> 00:45:42,918
Speaker 2: keep the guys fresh. You still have. American Legion Week

959
00:45:42,998 --> 00:45:44,998
Speaker 2: was always in August where I'd wanted the guys to

960
00:45:44,998 --> 00:45:47,638
Speaker 2: show up at this during a homestand I wanted them

961
00:45:47,638 --> 00:45:50,358
Speaker 2: there about five o'clock for like six forty game or

962
00:45:50,398 --> 00:45:53,438
Speaker 2: seven o'clock game. Not hit on the field. If you

963
00:45:53,438 --> 00:45:55,318
Speaker 2: want to take a couple of ground balls, that's fine,

964
00:45:55,558 --> 00:45:57,478
Speaker 2: but I wanted you there later, and I want you

965
00:45:57,598 --> 00:45:59,798
Speaker 2: to do less and I want you to stay fresh.

966
00:46:00,278 --> 00:46:02,398
Speaker 2: I wish I had the actual number, but I believe

967
00:46:02,478 --> 00:46:05,078
Speaker 2: their winning percentage was over six. The almost seventy percent

968
00:46:05,558 --> 00:46:09,558
Speaker 2: at that whenever we did American Legion Baseball normally end

969
00:46:09,598 --> 00:46:11,678
Speaker 2: of August. For the reasons I'm just stating right now,

970
00:46:11,758 --> 00:46:17,998
Speaker 2: so information is wonderful. Everybody's afraid to attack the fact

971
00:46:17,998 --> 00:46:20,758
Speaker 2: that there's maybe too much out there right now, and

972
00:46:20,878 --> 00:46:23,278
Speaker 2: not just in baseball but in general, and it becomes

973
00:46:23,478 --> 00:46:28,118
Speaker 2: very confusing. Do not confuse your players right now. Lead athleticism,

974
00:46:28,158 --> 00:46:32,478
Speaker 2: take over nuggets, not dissertations, is what they need right now.

975
00:46:32,878 --> 00:46:36,478
Speaker 1: Wise words, Joe, and your track record backs it up.

976
00:46:36,518 --> 00:46:38,838
Speaker 1: If you look at your numbers, your teams traditionally do

977
00:46:38,958 --> 00:46:42,478
Speaker 1: have better winning percentages in August and September. And when

978
00:46:42,518 --> 00:46:44,398
Speaker 1: you do it for as long as you did that,

979
00:46:44,158 --> 00:46:46,918
Speaker 1: that can't be an accident. So I would pay attention

980
00:46:46,998 --> 00:46:49,038
Speaker 1: to that if i'm major league teams where and I

981
00:46:49,078 --> 00:46:52,918
Speaker 1: know you've talked about this, Joe, the information and the

982
00:46:52,918 --> 00:46:56,158
Speaker 1: amount of bodies in your clubhouse and manager's office begin

983
00:46:56,238 --> 00:46:59,278
Speaker 1: to grow as the games do get more important down

984
00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:02,078
Speaker 1: the stretch and including into October. And what you're saying

985
00:47:02,198 --> 00:47:04,518
Speaker 1: is fight that urge and keep it simple.

986
00:47:04,678 --> 00:47:06,918
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need all those folks there. I promise

987
00:47:06,958 --> 00:47:09,758
Speaker 2: you don't need them. You need good baseball players that

988
00:47:09,758 --> 00:47:12,598
Speaker 2: their mind and body is rested. Give them some nuggets,

989
00:47:13,158 --> 00:47:16,558
Speaker 2: be there to support them, keep them fresh, keep them

990
00:47:16,878 --> 00:47:22,958
Speaker 2: having fun. I've always said, September provides its own energy. Okay,

991
00:47:23,278 --> 00:47:25,478
Speaker 2: the guys will find if you're in the hunt, here

992
00:47:25,518 --> 00:47:27,558
Speaker 2: comes September one. You're in the hunt, You're pretty good,

993
00:47:27,598 --> 00:47:30,438
Speaker 2: stead September provides its own energy. Do you don't have

994
00:47:30,478 --> 00:47:32,438
Speaker 2: to look for it anywhere. It's there. It's going to

995
00:47:32,478 --> 00:47:34,998
Speaker 2: show up every time you come to the ballpark. Why God,

996
00:47:35,118 --> 00:47:37,998
Speaker 2: it is there. So permit your guys to be athletes

997
00:47:38,078 --> 00:47:41,718
Speaker 2: right now. Let them play baseball. You know. Of course,

998
00:47:42,278 --> 00:47:44,238
Speaker 2: you might have a couple guys that have this regular

999
00:47:44,318 --> 00:47:47,838
Speaker 2: routine that they do need more. Okay, fine, but don't

1000
00:47:47,918 --> 00:47:50,798
Speaker 2: change anything. Don't add to it right now. If you

1001
00:47:50,838 --> 00:47:53,478
Speaker 2: have any urge at all, do less and not more.

1002
00:47:53,878 --> 00:47:55,918
Speaker 1: That's so good. I'm going to steal that one day,

1003
00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:59,718
Speaker 1: just like I stole from Billy Shakespeare. September provides its

1004
00:47:59,718 --> 00:48:03,078
Speaker 1: own energy. That's right, and I will credit you, not

1005
00:48:03,198 --> 00:48:04,558
Speaker 1: credit mister anonymous.

1006
00:48:06,238 --> 00:48:07,118
Speaker 2: I go by that too.

1007
00:48:08,598 --> 00:48:11,798
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time on the Book of Joe.

1008
00:48:14,038 --> 00:48:17,278
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1009
00:48:17,518 --> 00:48:22,478
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1010
00:48:22,598 --> 00:48:24,398
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