1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Two beautiful little boys, ages three and four missing. I 2 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: hate to hit you with the bad news at the 3 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: beginning of the new year, but the search for missing 4 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: children goes on twenty four seven, three sixty five, including today. 5 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to this. You said you were 6 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: searching for two missing boys, ages three and four. The 7 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: children orson West and or in West, were last seen 8 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: in the ten thousand, seven hundred bloc of Aspen Avenue. 9 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: They're described as African American, about three free tall, both 10 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: wearing black sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. You were just hearing 11 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: our friends at KGET seventeen news that was Taylor's job. 12 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: And what Taylor shop said breaks my heart because I'm 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: thinking of my children, John, David and Lucy at age three. 14 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: They're twins at three feet tall. Where these two wearing 15 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: black sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. Now, how does not one 16 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: little child disappear, say, at the shopping mall or at 17 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: the playground? How do two of them just disappear with 18 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: me and all start panel to break it down and 19 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: put it back together again. Let me tell you first 20 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: a name you know very well, a hero and advocate, 21 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: Mark Class, the founder of Class Kids Foundation who's devoted 22 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: his life to finding missing people, especially children, at the 23 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: disappearance of his little girl, Polly. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina 24 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: trial lawyer at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold, 25 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at 26 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. You know this name very well. 27 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute, 28 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: and crime scene expert. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 29 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 30 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: and star of Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. 31 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: But first we're going to a special guest joining us, 32 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: Bayon Wang with twenty three ABC in Bakersville. You know Bayon, 33 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for being with us. I've 34 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: covered so many missing people cases, especially children, and investigated 35 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: them as a felony prosecutor in inner city Atlanta, and 36 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: I usually see one child missing, one person missing. It's 37 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: very rare, very rare, indeed, by on, for two children 38 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: to go missing at the same time, and it brings 39 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: to mind, for instance, two little children playing in the 40 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: front yard and they decide to walk down the street 41 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: and then they're missing, or two children getting away from 42 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: mommy at the shopping mall. I want to hear exactly 43 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: what you can tell me surrounding the facts of this 44 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: case by Yon Wang, because every fact, every single fact, 45 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: means something, including the time of the day daylight or dark, 46 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: the type of neighborhood, residential, apartment, tree lined, business district, 47 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: shopping mall. Every single thing matters. So Bayon Wang, first 48 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: of all, tell me about the area where did they 49 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: go missing? They want missing in California City. That's a 50 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: population of about fourteen thousand. It's surrounded by hundreds of 51 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: miles of desert. It's the third largest land area in California. 52 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: What do you mean the third largest land area. I 53 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: mean the whole state of California is land. What do 54 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: you mean by the third largest Listen, mayn I appreciate 55 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: your details, but I'm just a trial lawyer. You have 56 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: to break it down for people like me. What do 57 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: you mean the third largest land area? Well, Nancy, this 58 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 1: community is in the middle of the Mohave Desert. I 59 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: mean you just go on Google Maps and you look 60 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: at it and there's hundreds of miles of desert, a 61 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: lot of it unoccupied. So this small township, you know, 62 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: the community, you could imagine this case weighing in on 63 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: their hearts. They are desperate to find these little guys 64 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: and you know what else twenty three ABC. I took 65 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: the twins well on many RV trips, but one of 66 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: them we went through the Mohave Desert and I remember stopping. 67 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: You know, when you go in a federal park or 68 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: national forest, there's always a big sign you're entering whatever, 69 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: Smokey Mountain National Forest, and I remember, you're entering the 70 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Mojave Desert sign. And we jumped out of the RV 71 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: and took a picture with it, and then we drove 72 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: and we drove and we drove and did not see 73 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: a thing. Hold on beyond Wayne, because I want to 74 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: go to our expert Mark Class Founder Class Kids at 75 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: class Kids dot org. Mark, that presents a big problem. 76 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: First of all, you've got a very small town, bigger 77 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: than when I grew up, Mark Class, but still fourteen 78 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: thousand rules out to an extent, like strangers passing through. 79 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: But then remember Mark Class, Liberty and Abigail in out 80 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: in a park in Delphi, very small town and they 81 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: think it was a stranger. But you've got that factor 82 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: Mark Class combined with as beyond by On Wang just 83 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: told us huge expanse of desert, nobody living there. That 84 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: presents a problem. Mark Class to five is three and 85 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: four year old little boy. Indeed, it doesn't answer. And 86 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: to preface this, I'd like to say that, you know, 87 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: even with COVID going around the world like it is 88 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: and really restricting everybody's movements, Class Kids Foundation has had 89 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: our busiest year ever with missing child cases. So this 90 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: is a crime that endures and just keeps getting worse 91 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: and worse and worse. Now back to what you said. 92 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: You know, there's generally about one hundred and five to 93 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifteen stereotypical kidnappings in the United States 94 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: in a given year. And when I say stereotypical stranger kidnappings, 95 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean somebody coming out of absolutely nowhere and taking 96 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: the children. And in the vast majority of those cases, 97 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: there's only one child involved, and more often than not, 98 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: it would be a girl between six and twelve years old. Okay, wait, wait, wait, 99 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: you got me drinking out of the fire hydrant. It's 100 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: too much, too fast. Hold on, I'm taking in everything 101 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: you're saying, which contradicts everything about this case that Bayon 102 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: Wang is telling us, and he's absolutely correct. Okay, let 103 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: me pick it up from where you dropped off that 104 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: that much is soaked in. Go ahead, Okay, Well, so 105 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: we're in a situation here where as as Bayon said, 106 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: you know, you've got a massive land mass and you've 107 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: got two tiny little children, just tiny little children, and 108 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: we have to figure out where on that land mass 109 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: or in that land mask those children are, whether it's 110 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: above ground and they're thriving someplace, or whether they harm 111 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: has been done to them and they've been buried. Now, 112 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: the way you say that, Mark class, it just you know, 113 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: trills off the tip of your tongue because you're used 114 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: to it, saying that a three and a four year 115 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: old little child could be buried somewhere. But for people 116 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: that don't deal with it every day like you do, 117 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: like I do, like everybody on this panel does, that's 118 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: a tough that's a tough pill to swallow, what you said. 119 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely correct. We're talking about two little children, 120 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: just three and four years old. Straight back to you, 121 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: Bayon Wang, twenty three ABC News. Okay, we went off 122 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: on a tangent, but that was important because if these 123 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: children are somehow bayon out in the middle or even 124 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: at the edge of this desert, if somehow they've gotten there, 125 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: it's over. They cannot survive crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 126 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: the tipline regarding these two little children missing is seven 127 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: six zero three seven three eight six zero six repeat 128 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: seven six zero three seven three eight six zero six. 129 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: Back to you by On Wang, reporter twenty three ABC. 130 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: I get the area. Were they in a home an apartment? 131 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: A maal? What can you tell me about that? Yeah, 132 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: so they were reported missing out of their home. Their 133 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: adoptive parents, Jacqueline and Triselle West, reported them missing from 134 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: their home. Essentially, they say that the kids were playing 135 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: with chalk in their backyard, not in the front yard, 136 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: in the backyard of their home, and then boom, they 137 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: suddenly disappeared. The father, Trizelle, says he was essentially gathering 138 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: wood to start a fire while the mother was wrapping 139 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: pisness presence for the boys. Twenty three ABC. Do you 140 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: have children? Not yet? Okay, listen to me. You'll find 141 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: out about this. But Jackie backed me up on this. 142 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: When you're rapping or preparing Christmas gifts, you want the 143 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: children to be somewhere else. And I'm not going to 144 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: go into one because it's very mysterious, but it's my understanding. 145 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: The mom was wrapping Christmas gifts. She sent three and 146 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: four year old orson and or An outside. The dad 147 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: was collecting firewood for a fireplace. I mean, you know, 148 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Founder Director, Cold Case Research Institute, it sounds 149 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: like a Christmas card, really building a fire in the fireplace, 150 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: wrapping Christmas presents, sending the two little boys outside to place, 151 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: and I don't see what's getting wrapped, and then all 152 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: of a sudden they're gone. I'm sorry, Go ahead, Cheryl, 153 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: it's all too perfect. The minute I've heard it, what 154 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: leaked out at me is mom's wrapping Christmas gifts and 155 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: daddy is starting to fire and the children are doing 156 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: artwork that is bogus. Oh. I don't know what planet 157 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: you come from, but that's exactly what we do around Christmas. 158 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: And I try everything I can think of to get 159 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: the children to go somewhere other than where I am 160 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: because I'm working on you know what, But hold On. 161 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying, Cheryl McCullum, So Bayon, Am 162 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: I right that mom was wrapping Christmas gifts, Nancy, that's 163 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: what we're being told the parents. That's right. The mother 164 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: says she was rapping Christmas gifts during the time the 165 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: boys want missing. Okay, so what time of the day 166 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: or night was it? The father says it was between 167 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: four thirty and five o'clock in here in the West Coast. 168 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: That's you know, sun setting at that point. To you 169 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: Mark class you're joining us from California. Is that right? 170 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: It's dark by four thirty. Yeah, I know it's not 171 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: dark at four thirty, but the sun does go down 172 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: between four thirty and five. It gets very cold and 173 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: very dark very quickly after them, So it's getting dark now. 174 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: Jackie is waving at me frantically to Clara up to 175 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: clear there are other children in the home, but mom 176 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: only sent out these two to go plight. Well, that 177 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense to me. When I'm wrapping Christmas gifts, 178 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't send David out to go play. I don't 179 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: see Grandma me out to go play, because I'm not 180 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: hiding anything from them, Jackie, So you know, it depends 181 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: on the age of the children who gets sent away 182 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: when you're prepping Christmas. Um, you know, well, guys, jump in. Look, well, guys, 183 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: it's actually sorry. It's important to mention that the parents 184 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: other four children were not home at the time. The 185 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: parents were happy. Now you're happy, she's happy, Okay, so 186 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: that's not an issue. Guys. I got to jump in, 187 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: jump because because I want to make sure what I 188 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: was trying to say very clear. It was all too perfect. 189 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: And again at four or thirty in the afternoon. Number one, 190 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: you can wait to wrap gives at eleven o'clock at 191 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: night when all the babies are you you don't know that. 192 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you do not know that. If 193 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: you think you've got a thirty minute segment where you 194 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: can wrap Christmas gifts surreptitiously, then you jump on it. Look, 195 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: you know what our household is so crazy. I was 196 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: hiding and wrapping it all times of the day and 197 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: night morning noon for instance. When Amazon would come by 198 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: at eleven am. You know, I was scrambling. So, I mean, 199 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 1: I don't know how they did it, how this is 200 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: all wrapped it together, but I do know this what 201 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: Mark Klass said at the beginning, very very unusual for 202 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: two children to go missing at the same time. Just 203 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: got Morgun, professor forensics. Do you at least agree with 204 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: that much? Well, yeah, I mean it can be if 205 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: you're wrapping gifts that can you know, it can be 206 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,119 Speaker 1: a situation where you want to do it as discreetly 207 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: as you possibly can. But back to what Bayon had said, 208 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: he didn't he was very specific Nancy about these babies. 209 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: He didn't say anything about the front yard. He said 210 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: the backyard. And I think from an investigative standpoint, I'm 211 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: thinking about this, and I'm thinking, who has access to 212 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: the backyard in this case, and what's the configuration of 213 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: the backyard. You know, you get a lot of places. 214 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the house right now, and the street 215 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: is wide open to the front yard. I see a 216 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: few homes that have, for instance, wrought iron gate in 217 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: the front yard, but you can get walked right in 218 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: through the driveway. And it's one of those residential suburban 219 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: areas where behind your backyard is another house, and behind 220 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: that one is another house if you looked at it 221 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: from above. I mean, there are thousands of houses that 222 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: stretch out so that's a good point beyond Wayne. Guys, 223 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: we're getting into the details for a reason. I mean, 224 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: Mark Klass, every detail matters. Would you agree with that? 225 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: Of course, every detail matters. I mean somebody else's backyard 226 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: butts up to their backyard. You know what I'm saying. 227 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: You remember when Isabel's Salice went missing. That was in 228 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: a suburban neighborhood, and they had the big, solid fence 229 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: surrounding their backyard and a gate to go into it. 230 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: We've had so many cases where people's yards were totally enclosed, 231 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: but somehow the children went missing. Do I have to say, 232 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Smart, she had this beautiful home her family lived in. 233 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: Somebody managed to get the children. So it happens in 234 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: all sorts of ways. The mom and dad jump in. 235 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: You talked about how important the details are here and 236 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: talking about those enclosed backyards. Well, an important note here 237 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: is that the father says the panic set in when 238 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: he noticed that he left the gate open. Okay, I 239 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: hear you. I did not know that. Guys, take a 240 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at ABC twenty three Trazill West 241 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: details The moment has two adopted boys, three year old 242 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Orson in four year old or In went missing Monday 243 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: night from their California City home. Moments before, West says 244 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: he was gathering wood to start a fire. I looked 245 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: to back gate. I'm throwing wood, bring it inside the house. 246 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: My wife's inside. She was actually wrapping gifts, so we 247 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: thought it was a good idea. Got our youngest too 248 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: outside and played with chop back patio. Shortly after, West 249 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: says he no longer saw the boys on the patio. 250 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: He asked his wife, Jacqueline, if she saw them. She 251 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: said no. That's when he says panic set in. I 252 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: realized that I left the gate open, and I panicked. 253 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: Came inside the house, searched the house, me and my wife. 254 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: Once that I hadn't pan out, I got in the van. 255 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: I looked down the street most directions. It was getting dark, 256 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: getting cold. West said. He then called the police within minutes. 257 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: Since then, California City Police, the FBI, and the current 258 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's office have been investigating. And also take a 259 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: listen to Travail West speaking, Take a listen. It was cold. 260 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna make a fire. It's a lot of 261 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: woods area round here next to our house. I went 262 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: up to the back gate. I'm throwing wood bringing it 263 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: inside the house. My wife's inside she was actually wrapping gifts. 264 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: So we thought it was a good idea that they 265 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: got our youngest to go outside and played with chalk 266 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: the back patio. Do not let them go on the 267 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: dirt in the backyard and keep them close. So I 268 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: was playing with chalk and I came to the house. 269 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: I saw them there one house. I came back out. 270 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: I didn't see them. Now. I immediately went back in 271 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: asked my wife, did you see the boys? She said no, 272 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,479 Speaker 1: they should be outside playing with chalk. I said, well, 273 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: I didn't see them. So I came back outside and 274 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: I started searching my backyard. I searched the whole thing. 275 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: You're hearing. They adopted dad of these two little children, ay, 276 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: just three and four. I mean, how far could they 277 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: get on their own? It's dark Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 278 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of a three and four 279 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: year old set up brothers orson and Oran West. What 280 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: happened as Christmas approaches. Take a listen to our friends 281 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: at twenty three ABC newss is Bin Phronies speaking with neighbors. 282 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: There isn't too much information about what happened to these 283 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: young boys, but one thing is for sure, the California 284 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: City community is worried, scared, and angry. Sir Trail poppers 285 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: came out. About one hundred people gathered the search from 286 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: the surrounding area, knocking on doors. Three and four year 287 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: olds or orson West were reported missing on Monday night 288 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: around five pm. When I got it, they still happen 289 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: been bound. Jennifer Wood resumed her search efforts Tuesday after 290 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: looking all Monday night for the missing boys, as she 291 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: feel for their safety. Are total boys. They're about three 292 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: feet tall, and if they're out there, they are scared. 293 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: Of course they are. I mean to you, mark class 294 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: on foot. How far could a three and four year 295 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: old get, even in a residential area in a paved street, 296 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: I mean, how far could they get. They're not going 297 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: to be able to get very far. And the whole 298 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: idea of little children wandering off is it gets cold 299 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: and dark from their home is a pretty hard pill 300 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: to swallow. But I think what we have to consider 301 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: is the local sex offenders in the community, people that 302 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: know the family, that intermingle with the family. You never 303 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: know or the evil might come from. I mean, there's 304 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of possibilities out there. One of the things 305 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: I've noticed recently, Nancy, is that there are more people 306 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: driving around neighborhoods that aren't their neighborhoods, delivering packages now 307 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: than ever before. It seems like almost every other car 308 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: is delivering a package. We don't know who the people 309 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: are who were driving these vans oftentimes, so you know, 310 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: the possibilities of what happened to these children, I think 311 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: are vasted at this point. Mark, let me tell you 312 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: what happened to Lucy and me. The other night. We 313 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: went out walking. We loved gone walks with our little dog, 314 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: fat Boy, and as got dark while we were out, 315 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: we waited too late, and we always hear of the 316 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: stereotypical white van, and low and behold a white van. 317 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: You know, everything rushing through my mind begins to creep 318 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: along behind us, and I didn't want to say anything 319 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: to Lucy, so we kept walking and I was picking 320 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: up the pace. We were a good mile away from home, 321 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: and it stayed and finally I said, let's turn around, 322 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: and we abruptly turn I started walking the other way 323 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: away from the van. As you know, you're supposed to do. 324 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: If you think you're being you know, a child should 325 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: run the opposite way. And we kept walking well low 326 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: and behold mark class. Five minutes hadn't passed until there 327 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: was the white van and it was a guy I'd 328 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: never seen in the neighborhood before, and he was looking 329 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: at us, and I said, Lucy, run to the house 330 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: right now, and she took off. It was a delivery person, 331 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: long story short, and he was lost. He was lost, 332 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: just wandering around. And I then spotted him turn on 333 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: his lamp on the inside of the van and looking 334 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: for directions and I could actually hear him putting an 335 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: address into ways or something. So it was much ado 336 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: about nothing. But long story short, you're right, You're absolutely right. 337 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: How quickly could someone be taken in a vehicle and 338 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: be gone sixty miles an hour? But it's somebody within 339 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. I mean, the stories I just threw out 340 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: truecases of Isabel Salice was someone the family needs in 341 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Smart. It was someone the part was introduced into 342 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: the family. It was a day laborer that they hired 343 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: to try to help out the family and help him out, 344 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 1: so there is a connection. They knew about the children. Right, 345 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: there's almost always a connection, almost always a connection. Guys 346 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: were talking about the disappearance of these two little children. 347 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: What did the dad do? Take a listen now to 348 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: what Traville West dad says. I realized that I left 349 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: the gate open, and I panicked, came inside house, searched 350 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: the house, me and my wife. Once that hadn't pan out, 351 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: I got in vent. I looked down the street most directions. 352 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: It was getting dark, getting cold, and I got into 353 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: family and I had a bunch of corners. I went 354 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: on the street, I turned my light on, I searched, 355 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: I searched, I call their names, talked to a gentleman 356 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: on the street on the other side of there. She 357 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,679 Speaker 1: didn't see any. So then I came home and I 358 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: told my wife for me to call the cops. It's 359 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: getting dark and I need help. We gotta get going, 360 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: so I called the cops. Cops came. First thing they 361 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: did was tell us to stay in the house so 362 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: they can get a hold of us. And they had 363 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: us just sitting there, and we wanted to keep searching. 364 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, we've heard a lot from the dad, but 365 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: now take a listen to mom. They said, that she 366 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: said she was wrapping gifts and she let my two 367 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: kids out in the backyard because she didn't want them 368 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 1: to see the gifts. But you didn't let the other 369 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: kids out? Where the other kids? Why my two just 370 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: go back there at night? She said it was dark 371 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: and it's code right now, so I know it's code then, 372 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: so I don't believe it. So why didn't she tell 373 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: you this? Where were you when she told you? I 374 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: just came here forty five minutes when nobody was here 375 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: forty five minutes to an hour, and we knocked the 376 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: mom at the board, and it took them a minute 377 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: to come. And he came out and he wants to 378 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: say he's sorry, not like I just don't feel them hard. 379 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: It's something they're not Do you have a relationship with 380 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: these parents? I don't know them. They did something. Just 381 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: then you're hearing from the bio mom. The bio mom 382 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: now she doesn't have custody of her children, but now 383 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: she is appearing casting doubt on the adoptive parents. What 384 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: more do we know? What more do we know? Take 385 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: a listen to David Kaplan at Fox fifty eight, Trezelle 386 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: at Jacqueline West, and their six kids lived at Casteloma 387 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: Apartments here in Bakersfield, across the street from where I'm at. 388 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: They moved from here to California City in September. This afternoon, 389 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: around forty people used drones, dogs, trash picker, rubbers, and 390 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: their eyes and feet to look for any sign of 391 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: orn and orson West The four and three year olds 392 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: parents say they lost last I saw them in their 393 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: backyard in California City around five PM on December twenty first. 394 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: California City police say they have talked to every neighbor 395 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: on that street and they all say they never saw 396 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: the boys there. That's why concerns community members wanted to 397 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: continue the search efforts from the desert in California City 398 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: to Bakersfield. For trying to cover the Browns, you know, 399 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: to help give law enforcement. You know that may be shorthanded. 400 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: You know a hand. Hope has never lost now now 401 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: never lost. Hope never lost. I want to go to 402 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: our cut five. This is Alex Baille at twenty three ABC. 403 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: And the search continues for two Tallers from California City 404 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: who were reported missing on Monday night. And now the 405 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: FBI isn't involved in the search. As well as the 406 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: current County Sheriff's office three and four year olds Warren 407 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: and Orson West, who are on your screen right now. 408 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: They were reported missing around five pm yesterday. A search 409 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: warrant was served at their foster parents' house today in 410 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: kel City, and the foster parents are still at police 411 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: headquarters as of Tuesday, answering questions. Kel City Police say 412 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: that the parents are being cooperative and that law enforcement 413 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: is not giving up on finding the toddlers. Police also 414 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: say investigators are doing forensics exams on items taken out 415 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: of the home. Today Climb Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 416 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: we are talking about two missing children. Age is just 417 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: three and four, and these two little boys go missing 418 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: from their own home. Let me give you the tip 419 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: line yet again in the hopes that someone somewhere may 420 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: have seen something. Seven six zero three seven three eight 421 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: six zero six Tell me about the search. Joining me 422 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: from ABC twenty three is by Yon Wang. Tell me 423 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: what all has been done to find the children? Oh man, Nancy, 424 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this community has really come together. We're talking 425 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: about multiple searches, two ten thousand dollar rewards. I mean, 426 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: these guys are scavenging the desert. Themselves going, you know, 427 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: essentially through every neighborhood in that area. Unfortunately, though, there's 428 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: been absolutely no sign of the boys. And I think 429 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: earlier in the show, you guys were talking about the 430 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: significance of what a large area that this is, the 431 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: sprawling desert that surrounds this community. Well, it's important to 432 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: note that police themselves, none of the authorities, the FBI, 433 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: none of them have started their search in the desert, 434 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: and that has caused a huge question in the community. 435 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: You know, what is it exactly that they know that 436 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: isn't leading them to search this rolling desert. You would 437 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: think your natural instinct would behave, let's go see if 438 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: they could possibly be anywhere out there, whether they wandered off, 439 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: or whether their body would end up ended up out there. 440 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: But that's not the case. Essentially, the police chief for 441 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: the California City Police Department said, hey, look, our investigation 442 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: hasn't led us there right now, our focus is on 443 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: the home. We have absolutely no idea how these boys 444 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: got out of the backyard. Well, we're hearing what the 445 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: parents are saying, but following up on what Bayon just said, 446 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I find this very troubling. Take a listen to our 447 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: cut seven. This is beyond speaking twenty three ABC. A 448 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: lot of neighbors told me that the parents have been 449 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: virtually absent from all search efforts, raising a lot of 450 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: concern out here in California City. But the adoptive parents 451 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: told me that's because they've been busy with the police investigation, 452 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: and that police told them that they don't need to 453 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: be out there searching because there's already an adequate amount 454 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: of people doing so. Straight back to Mark Class, founder 455 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: of Class Kiss Foundation. You know, Mark Class, I understand 456 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: they're saying the cops told him to stay in the house. 457 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: I would find that very very difficult to do if 458 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: one of my children went missing. I've told you about 459 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: the episode when John David disappeared inside a Giant Toys 460 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: Babies or US warehouse. I would find it very hard 461 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: to control myself and not go looking. Mark Class. I mean, 462 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: if you don't mind, was you recount what you did 463 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: when Polly went missing? Well, I pulled out all the stops, Nancy, 464 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: and one of the first things I did is tell 465 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: the FBI and the Pedaluma police that I'd be willing 466 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: to sit for a polygraph. And I think a lot 467 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: of clarity could be brought to this case. If they 468 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: would simply polygraph the two parents, then they'll know either 469 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: if they are involved or if they need to look elsewhere. 470 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: But I also find a problematic nancy that law enforcement 471 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have conducted any searches whatsoever in this case. 472 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: It seems to be all community led searches. And the 473 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: problem with that is that they don't really know what 474 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: they're looking for. They're not professional at it, and if 475 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: they did turn up with some kind of a clue, 476 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: they might overlook it all together, and or they might 477 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: somehow defile the clue by by touching it or moving it, 478 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: or otherwise getting involved with it. So there's a lot 479 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: of issues outstanding right now, and hopefully there will be 480 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: some clarity brought to it sooner rather than I find 481 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: that unusual as well. Is that true briefly by Wang 482 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: twenty three ABC. Is it true that's mostly volunteers looking 483 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: for the children? That is true? I confirmed, yes. Well 484 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: I don't like that at all, And I also notice 485 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: the FBI is involved. You don't normally see the FBI 486 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: jumping in on a missing person's case. I want you 487 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: to take a listen to our friends at KGET seventeen 488 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: Pearl Shan listen. California City Police say they searched this 489 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: house last night with canines. The canines were looking for 490 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: the scent of the two boys inside. They smelled the 491 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: scent inside the house, but they didn't smell it leaving 492 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: the house, so police are concerned that the children never 493 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: even left the house. About an hour ago, cal City 494 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: Police drove the father and mother away. They weren't in 495 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: handcuffs and went willingly with police, but police would not 496 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: confirm why they took the mother and father away. Dozens 497 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: of residents drove and walked around this home last night 498 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: looking for the two boys. Right now, many of them 499 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: are still out here waiting for an update from police. 500 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: Many came out again today to continue the search. So far, 501 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: they found nothing. Police told the parents to stay inside 502 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: their house. Okay, I'm hearing somebody. I'm not sure who 503 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: that was, but I want to go, well, who the 504 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: whole idea of letting other people tell you how to 505 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: handle you're missing child case, I think raises a lot 506 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: of issues. Your inclination when your child is missing is 507 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: to get out there and absolutely do something, which is 508 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: what I did, which is what the Smart family did, 509 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: which is what so many families did. And the whole 510 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: idea that you would hunker into the house only leads 511 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: people to believe that you were hiding something. And when 512 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: you that perception takes hold in the community, then it 513 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: becomes problematic yet again, because people are going, well, what 514 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: are they hiding. They're not coming out, they're not talking 515 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: to anybody, they're not involved in the searches. There's something 516 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: that seems very wrong with that, and I personally agree 517 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: that it does seem very long. Take a listen to 518 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 1: our cut four. This is Bain Phrony at twenty three ABC. 519 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: The toddlers believe to be at their foster parents' house 520 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: in California City. It was the set meeting point for 521 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: another search party on Tuesday. Lemia Patrick, a California City resident, 522 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: also told twenty three ABC that the belief to be 523 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,479 Speaker 1: foster parents have not come out of the household besides 524 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: to speak to law enforcement. So then he came out 525 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 1: and spoke to the police, but he did not come 526 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: out and greet the people who are trying to help 527 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: find the babies. Parents haven't come out to say boo 528 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: or hire, thank you for helping or anything. Twenty three 529 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: ABC did speak with the belief to be foster father 530 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: of the two missing boys, but declined an interview and 531 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: wish to keep his name private. He said, the police 532 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: were asking that they stay inside and wait. You know 533 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: what is disturbing me more than the parents being told 534 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: to stay in the home and don't go out in 535 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: search and them doing it is the fact to you, 536 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Director Cold Case Research Institute. You know I'm 537 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: a great believer and tracker dogs. In fact, I've told 538 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: you many many times, Cheryl McCollum, the best, one of 539 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: the best witnesses I've ever put on the stand was 540 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: a dog. The tracker dogs go in, they smell the 541 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: scent of the children in the home, but they can't 542 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: pick up the center of the children leaving the home. Cheryl. 543 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: That's a great concern, Nancy, because again, in a missing Childcake, 544 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: you've got four lanes that you're investigating in is all time, 545 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: and you're doing it simultaneously. You're obviously looking at the parents. 546 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,439 Speaker 1: You're looking at is this a stranger abduction You're gonna 547 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: look at is this an acquaintance, Is there's somebody in 548 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: the neighborhood the children knew and went to that home. 549 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: Or are the children lost or hurt? It looks like 550 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement has already gotten rid of the lost or 551 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: hurt avenue. They don't believe that it's a stranger because 552 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: they're again not moving away from that backyard. The father 553 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: himself repeated the word dirt more than one. He said backyard, backyard, 554 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: and then he said search the backyard. I think he 555 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: basically tell a law enforcement where to start. Way n 556 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: J Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer at NC Domestic 557 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: Law dot com. Jump in, Kathleen Nancy as a mother, 558 00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: just as a mother, not even as a trial lawyer. 559 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: You would not have my eyes off of a three 560 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: year old and a four year old in that backyard 561 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: area out know how close the father was. But it 562 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: does not add everything that Cheryl has said, everything Mark 563 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: has said, everything Byron has said, everything you have said. 564 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: It does not add up. And I'm very sad right now. 565 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: To doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists out of Atlanta, the parents 566 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: are saying law enforcement told them to stay inside and 567 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: don't go looking. What do you make of it? It 568 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: just seems that just seems so odd. I'll tell you 569 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: one of the other things that struck me too, Nancy, 570 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: this whole thing that we have to look at them 571 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: on TV with masks covering their faces. How often do 572 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: we look at people on the news and you and 573 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,280 Speaker 1: everybody can sort of tell are they telling the truth? 574 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: Are they not telling the truth. But now these people's 575 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: entire faces are covered with a mask and you can't 576 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: tell anything about their initial reaction. And that is very 577 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: bothersome to me because that's I feel like there's so 578 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: much information that can be garnered from that, and it's 579 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: all a blank slate at this point. Yon Wang, reporter 580 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: twenty three ABC. Where does a search stand right now? Well, 581 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: multiple community efforts. You know, obviously authorities aren't telling us 582 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, behind closed doors, but you know, 583 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: the community search Bakersfield as well, which we're learning the 584 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: adoptive parents lived in Bakersfield prior to moving California City, 585 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: so the community is out there also doing you know, 586 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: various searches. That's the latest that we have on the 587 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: search front. Tip line seven six zero three seven three 588 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: eighty six zero six, please help us bring orson and 589 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: Oran home Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off good Life 590 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: friend