1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Three trades and a second joint practice. Yeah, Thursday was 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: a busy day for the Cardinals. Welcome Bird Gang. On 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: today's show, Zach Gershman joins me. We dive into the 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: news of the day, Isaiah Simmons Delta the Giants, Josh 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: Jones to the Texans, and. 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: Joshua Dobbs acquired. 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: Plus we check in with Paul Calvic, who is with 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: the team in Minnesota. How did that second joint practice 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: go against the Viking? Hopefully better than the first. It's 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, episode six sixty five, and it starts now. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: Budda Baker, What Heart? 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 4: What rent? 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: This guy's unbelievable. 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Azycardinals 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: dot com Slash podcasts. 18 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 5: He's a ten half of five. 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: He's it again, so more Perry Magic. 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: Whow Here's Craig Griolud. 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: They say things happen in threes, Zach, and that is 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: exactly what happened on Thursday. Although if you want to 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: add the joint practice, that would be a fourth for 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. But you arrived to work. By the way, 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: you and I did not make the cut, Nope, to 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: go to Minnesota. So we will have a in depth 27 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: report from our colleague Paul Calvic a little bit later 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: on because he was at both joint practices Wednesday and Thursday. 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: But there is a lot of news to get to 30 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: about this team ahead of that's plus the preseason finale 31 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: on Saturday. First things first, Isaiah Simmons Gone traded to 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: the Giants for a seventh round pick in twenty twenty four, 33 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: josh Jones traded to the Texans along with a seventh 34 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: round pick for a fifth round selection, and then perhaps 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: the surprise of the day, quarterback Joshua Dobbs acquired from 36 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns for a fifth round pick, Cardinals also 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: getting a Browns twenty twenty four seventh round selection. At 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: the end of the day, Cardinals make three trades have 39 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: twelve total draft picks. 40 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 2: For twenty twenty four. 41 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: Where do you want to begin what stands out to you, 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: whether it's Simmons, Jones or Dobbs. 43 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 5: I want to know what Monte Austin for had for 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 5: breakfast today to wake up and right away, start and 45 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 5: start wheeling and dealing. He definitely jumped right into it. 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing you have to start off 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 5: with is Isaiah Simmons trading him for a seventh round 48 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 5: draft pick. Now, I recognize that there might not have 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 5: been many areas, especially on this team, where he couldn't 50 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 5: find his spot. We know that he was at linebacker, 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 5: didn't work, work, tried doing some stuff at dB, didn't work. 52 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: Now you had him at deep state. 53 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 5: Now you had him at deep safety, and that really 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 5: got exposed against the Chiefs. You can't just have a 55 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: guy on the team based off pure athleticsis and talent 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: and versatility. But to see a seventh round pick, I 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 5: was kind of surprised about it, Craig. 58 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: Because of the value of the seventh round value. I mean, 59 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about a former first round pick eighth overall, 60 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: and what you get in return is a seventh round pick. 61 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: I think the message here, at least to me, although 62 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Manti Austin for when he addressed the media in Minnesota, 63 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: said there was no message being sent. 64 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: But I disagree. 65 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: I believe that there was a message since and it 66 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: was Saturday night's performance or lack thereof. That was the 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: breaking point. Isaiah Simmons was already on a short leash, 68 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: if you will, the fifth round option not picked up. 69 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: He's going to be a free agent at the end 70 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: of this season. Cardinals defense of coaching staff trying to 71 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: figure out where he fits best on the football field. 72 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Simmons himself said he did not want to play linebacker. Coaches, 73 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: all right, we agree with that. Let's see how you 74 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: do at deep safety. And he appeared to enjoy that role. 75 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: But it's one thing to do it against the Broncos. 76 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: It's another thing to do it against the Chiefs. And 77 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: it's the play at the goal line in which he 78 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: either overran or chose to let up and let Shane 79 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: Buschell score there. And then it's trailing the thirty eight 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: yard catch and run by Rashi Rice. That did not 81 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: look good. So those two instances, and then obviously the 82 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: goal line, I think was the punctuation, the exclamation point 83 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: I should say on Simmons's tenure here in Arizona. 84 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 5: You can't teach effort. That's what we talked with Kyle 85 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,119 Speaker 5: Vanabasch on the Red Sea Report about how he didn't 86 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 5: seem like he was putting in that effort and to say, 87 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 5: you want to be in that deep safety position, that's 88 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 5: where you feel more most comfortable with. He compared it 89 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 5: to his time playing baseball, in his time and track 90 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 5: and how he said he saw Buddha getting a lot 91 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 5: of hits. So he's not worried about his position there 92 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 5: in terms of where he'll be in the stat line. 93 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: To say that and then to perform the way he 94 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 5: did on Saturday, and it looked very lo Blackaday's a 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 5: coal He did not seem like he wanted to be 96 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 5: playing out there. Now, that's just from an autized perspective. 97 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 5: I'm not speaking on behalf of Isaiah Simmons, but he 98 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 5: chose to be in that spot. I understand. I'm not 99 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 5: surprised that he was moved. I'm surprised that it was 100 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 5: a seventh round pick that right now, Monty seems to 101 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 5: be just trading and getting like it's candy on Halloween. 102 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: The word out of New York. 103 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: By the way, the Giants plan to use Isaiah as 104 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: a linebacker against something that Isaiah said he did not 105 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: want to play. Maybe that changes going from the Cardinals 106 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: to the Giants. But Giants head coach Brian Dabele told 107 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: reporter Simmons has quote multiple role, potential end quote, And 108 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest question mark and the biggest 109 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: issue with Isaiah Simmons is as talented as he as 110 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: he is, what do you play him on the field, 111 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Because it's obvious that you're chill trying to figure that out, 112 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: and going into year four, it's basically now or never 113 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: for Simmons as far as whether his career stays with 114 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: the Giant or even stays in the NFL. 115 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: I'll say the best thing that Isaiah Simmons could provide 116 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 5: the sides, beyond just his physical abilities, is that he's 117 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 5: been healthy. He's never missed a game, two hundred and 118 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 5: fifty eight tackles over his four years in the NFL 119 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 5: with the Cardinals. He's produced, but it's been in different 120 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 5: levels and it hasn't been as consistent. He's had spurts 121 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: and sparks in different areas on the field, but he 122 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 5: hasn't been able to find that one spot. Because he 123 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 5: hasn't been able to find that one spot. You just 124 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 5: have a really talented guy amongst ten others on the 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 5: defensive side of the ball, and I think that whether 126 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 5: he does have a future in the NFL or not. 127 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 5: Talent itself is not going to keep you in the NFL. 128 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 5: It's the skills. It's how you fit into a scheme. 129 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: So to say he didn't want to be playing linebacker, 130 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 5: he didn't feel comfortable in that role, Well, I guess 131 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 5: we'll have to wait and see week two when he 132 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 5: comes visits here. What Brian Davile uses him. 133 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: As, Yeah, how do the Cardinals what do they see 134 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: with Isaiah Simmons in that home opener Week two against 135 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: the New York Giants, And that's going to be fascinating 136 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: to see as well. And then again, this is another 137 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: sign and end of the black mark, if you will, 138 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: as far as the previous general manager in Steve Kaime, 139 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: because you look back now, since DJ Humphreys was selected 140 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: in the first round in twenty fifteen, he is the 141 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: longest tenured Arizona Cardinal offense or defense. These four first 142 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: round picks, four of the seven first round draft picks 143 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen no longer on the roster. Simmons, we 144 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: know Josh Rosen, Hassan Reddick, and Robert Kimdci. You have 145 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: to be able to hit more times than not on 146 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: your first round draft picks, because that's the foundation, and 147 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: those are the building blocks, if you will. And now 148 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, four of the last seven no 149 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: longer on the roster. 150 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 5: And you begin to you could clearly tell that Manti Austin, 151 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 5: for it, has no problems having tearing apart what was 152 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 5: previously here and kind of making his own roster. With 153 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 5: Jonathan Gannon, the two of them have come in guns 154 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 5: ablazing right away, trying to make a difference. And Monty 155 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 5: said today when he spoke to the media on Thursday 156 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 5: in Minnesota, he said, it doesn't matter how you got here. 157 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 5: We're all here now. It's what you're able to provide 158 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 5: to the team. And clearly he did not see what 159 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 5: he wanted out of Isaiah Simmons. Where I'm very interested 160 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: in is to see what Isaiah Simmons does in New 161 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: York and if he has a similar type role to 162 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 5: Hassan Reddick, who came over to the Philadelphia Eagles and 163 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 5: right away found his home. When he was here with 164 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 5: the Cardinals, he was also moving around quite a bit. 165 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 5: He didn't find a specific spot that really worked best 166 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 5: for him. Then he goes over to Philadelphia, and obviously 167 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 5: Johnathangannon used him really well over there. 168 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: So the Isaiah Simmons trade before the joint practice, after 169 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: the joint practice, two more trades. Josh Jones, as we 170 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: mentioned now with the Houston Texans. He played for Houston 171 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: in college, and you're now looking at a third round 172 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: pick again part of that twenty twenty draft class that 173 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: is now just has two players remaining from that six 174 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: member class, like he Fot and Rashard Lawrence. There's a 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: lot of question marks on Lauren specifically because we've seen 176 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: him play deep into the fourth quarter in preseason games, 177 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: and that's always a telling sign that maybe your spot 178 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: on the roster is not as secure as perhaps you 179 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: would like it to be. But with Jones, he had 180 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: actually been playing well in preseason games, at least according 181 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus. He had been grading not well, 182 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: but it was a numbers game. He was behind Kelvin 183 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: Beacham as far as that swing tackle competition, and you 184 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: probably were not going to you don't have the luxury 185 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: of keeping four tackles. Beacham can play both and he 186 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: can also dabble if needed case in an emergency play, 187 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: interior play, the guard position. We've seen Josh Jones play guard. 188 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: It did not look good. So you go with the 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: more experienced Kelvin Beacham who is under contract through this 190 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: season and next, and Josh Jones, who's going to become 191 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: a free agent at season's end. 192 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 5: Exactly the experience that Kelvin Beacham provides that Josh Jones 193 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 5: cannot provide is something that you you can't take for granted. 194 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 5: Kelvin Beachum can move to both sides of the line, 195 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 5: both on left tackle and right tackle. He wasn't In 196 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 5: the beginning of camp. We were wondering what Paris Johnson 197 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 5: Junior's role is going to be. PJJ clearly beat out 198 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 5: Kelvin Beacham, So to have him on that swing where 199 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 5: he could do both left tackle, right tackle, and as 200 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 5: you mentioned it has some experience where he could jump 201 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 5: into the interior line if needed, is why you bring 202 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 5: him in. But I think something that's interesting that people 203 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 5: have been talking about on social media. Oh, this is 204 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 5: the Cardinal's way of tanking. This is how they're giving 205 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 5: everything up. You're giving up Isaiah, you're giving up Josh Jones. 206 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 5: These are two guys that, as you mentioned, Craig. Their 207 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 5: contracts expired at the end of the year. The chances 208 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 5: are you going to be bringing him back probably not 209 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 5: as likely. So now you're here getting pieces in return. 210 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 5: Now they might not be the star pieces that you 211 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 5: would hope to get as a fan, but you're getting 212 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 5: something in return. 213 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: Many Austin Ford is putting his fingerprints all over this roster, 214 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: constructing it how he sees is best suited for what 215 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: he hopes is a winning frameranchise, however long that takes. 216 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: And it did not include in Isaiah Simmons, and I 217 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 1: think we saw why based off his performance Saturday against 218 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs and with Josh Jones, it just 219 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: became a numbers crunch. And if you're going to release 220 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: someone on Tuesday, when you have to get down to 221 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: the mandatory fifty three man roster, here's an opportunity to 222 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: get something for a player who may have value elsewhere 223 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: across the league. You pick up the phone and say, hey, 224 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: we just don't have room for a Josh Jones. 225 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: Do you have interest? 226 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: And you pick up and you call thirty one other 227 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: teams to see if you get someone to bite. And 228 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: the Texans, who are pretty solid at the tackle position, 229 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: but maybe now need a swing tackle of their own 230 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: bit and said, sure, we'll give you a fifth round 231 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: draft pick, or we'll yeah, we'll give you a fifth 232 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: for Jones plus a seventh round selection. 233 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 5: And Jones is going back to a place he's familiar with, 234 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 5: having gone to the University of Houston and playing over there, 235 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 5: and he now gets to assume the type of role 236 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 5: that Calvin Beacham will have with the Arizona Cardinals of 237 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 5: having that swing tackle. He did play some guard as 238 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 5: well during his time in college and throughout a little 239 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 5: bit in the NFL. So he's somebody that provides value 240 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 5: for a team and you don't want to just let 241 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 5: that go for free. You don't want to just release 242 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 5: that when you have to drop down to fifty three 243 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 5: at one o'clock on Tuesday. You want to be able 244 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 5: to bring something into your team in exchange for that. So, 245 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 5: albeit a fifth round pick, that's still a pretty good haul. 246 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: And like Simmons the Cardinals, we'll see Josh Jones this 247 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: season week eleven when the Cardinals visit the Texans. So 248 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: those two trades made and then perhaps the most surprising 249 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: move of the day, and that is Joshua Dobbs acquired 250 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: from the Cleveland Browns plus a seventh round draft pick 251 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: for a fifth round selection in twenty twenty four. Cardinals 252 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: now have six quarterbacks on the roster. Five of them 253 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: are healthy. Kyler Murray is still on PA. Jeff Driscoll 254 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: has not practice in recent days, so technically four healthy quarterbacks. 255 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: But this move Dobbs has history both the general manager. 256 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: In fact, dobbs only two starts in the NFL happened 257 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: last season Week seventeen and eighteen for the Tennessee Titans. 258 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: He began last season with the Cleveland Browns. Who is 259 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: familiar with Cardinals offensive coordinator Drew Petsing. So there is 260 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: that familiarity of a talented quarterback coming on board for 261 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. But I ask you this because I don't 262 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: have the answer, Zach. What does this mean for Colt 263 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: McCoy as your projected presumed starter. What does this mean 264 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: for Clayton Tune the rookie out of Houston and then 265 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: down on the list. David Blile, Jeff Driscoll. 266 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: I'm not a genie. I don't got the answer to 267 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: this one. 268 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 5: No, I think that I think with this move it's 269 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 5: more indicative in my opinion that this couldn't mean that 270 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 5: Kyler Murray staying on the pup and you want somebody 271 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 5: that has more experience in the NFL than Clayton Tune does. 272 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 5: But based on my personal opinion, I have not been 273 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 5: impressed through social media. Mind you, we're all here. Craig 274 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 5: and I are both here in Arizona right now. So 275 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 5: through social media and what we've heard, Colt McCoy has 276 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 5: not had a solid practice down in Minnesota during the 277 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 5: joint practices with the Vikings, and we've seen during his 278 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: time during the preseason against the Broncos and against the Chiefs, 279 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 5: he's been able to drive down the field, but they 280 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: haven't been able to produce. And granted, you haven't had 281 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 5: all your starters around you and you've only had a 282 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 5: maximum of what was I believe the two drives that 283 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 5: he had against the Kansas City Chiefs. The coaching staff 284 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 5: speaks very highly at Colt McCoy. He's a football legend, 285 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 5: as I believe. Somebody who spoke to us talked a 286 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 5: little bit about it. E was Kyant Keyante said that 287 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 5: Colt McCoy is a football legend and he is he's 288 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 5: played in the NFL for this is his fourteenth season. 289 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: Now you can't discredit that, but he has not been 290 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 5: producing under Drew Petsing's system, at least through the practices 291 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 5: that we've seen. So it could be a reactionary It 292 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 5: could be a reactionary acquisition because it couldn't mean that 293 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 5: Kyler's on the pup and it couldn't mean that Colt 294 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 5: McCoy has not been producing the way that they hope. 295 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: Dobbs six three, two hundred and sixteen pounds, He's twenty 296 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: eight years old, former fourth round draft pick of the 297 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: Steelers back in twenty seventeen. He's bounced around, doesn't has 298 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: not seen a lot of in game action, but he 299 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: has seen a lot of NFL action as far as practices, 300 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: whether that's on the active roster or the practice squad. 301 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: But it is fascinating now and when we get the 302 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: next opportunity to hear from head coach Jonathan Gannon, which 303 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: is probably not going to be until Saturday pregame when 304 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: Danny Sirek has the opportunity to stop JG and then 305 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: postgame when Paul Calvic and Jay Feeley will have the 306 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: opportunity to speak to the head coach. But Friday is 307 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: a walkthrough and then Saturday is the game. But this, 308 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: this move to acchoir quarterback is fascinating because, like you, 309 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: it's which direction does this signal the team is headed 310 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray not as close to coming off pup as 311 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: perhaps we thought, or maybe not as ready like a 312 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: week three or a week four, or is it because 313 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: these two joint practices was a signal that Colt McCoy 314 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: maybe if it is going to be six seven weeks 315 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: before we see Kyleer Murray, we need someone else in 316 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: the events that Colt can't handle it, and we're not 317 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: quite confident yet in a young. 318 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: Clayton tune to be that guy. 319 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 5: I don't I'm not even one hundred percent sure if 320 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 5: JG's going to give any sort of insight. 321 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: No, that's true. 322 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 5: When he does speak to Danny and Paul at the 323 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 5: game on Saturday, I think our INSIGHT's going to come 324 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 5: when Tuesday at one o'clock happens and you have to 325 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: drop down to fifty three and you have to decide 326 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 5: if Kyler Murray's going to be on the pup end 327 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 5: if he's missing those first four games, and what you're 328 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,479 Speaker 5: doing with the quarterback room. It's now all but guaranteed 329 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 5: that Josh Dobbs is going to be making the fifty 330 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 5: three man roster. You know, Clayton Tune's gonna be making 331 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 5: the fifty three man roster. Jeff Driscoll you kind of 332 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 5: have a question mark around because he has not been 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 5: participating as much with a residual effect during a practice 334 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 5: as JG referred to it. So your questions are around 335 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 5: is Colt McCoy the guy? If he is the guy, 336 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 5: then you're gonna then you know that's really because Kyler 337 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 5: is going to be going on the pop or is 338 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 5: he not the guy anymore? 339 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 3: And you're the. 340 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 5: Direction with David blaw David Blaus had a good preseason 341 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 5: in my opinion. When he's gone onto the field, albeit 342 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 5: in a short amount of time, he has produced. 343 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: It's always about the quarterback. It remains all about the quarterback, 344 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: not only this season, but I know next season as well. 345 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: Looking at twenty twenty four, Cardinals have twelve draft picks 346 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: and that includes a projected compensatory pick in the fourth 347 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: round losing Zach Allen. Cardinals, though with three picks of 348 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: the Houston Texans, a first third and a fifth, and 349 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: as Monni said this morning, which seems like forever ago, 350 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: when he was asked about if they were actively looking 351 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: to add draft picks with some of these players that 352 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: perhaps maybe not that he did not see making the 353 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: initial fifty three man roster. Moni disagreed with that quote. 354 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: What we're doing is trying to actively make the best 355 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: decisions for us, not only this year. 356 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: But moving forward. End quotes. 357 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: All right, we got Paul, all right, as promised, Paul 358 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Calvic joining us from Minnesota. He is there for the 359 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: two joint practices against the Vikings on Wednesday and Thursday. 360 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: But Paul, before we get into that and what you saw, 361 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: since Zach and I are not in attendance, just your 362 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: initial reactions on what was a busy, busy day as 363 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: far as not one, not two, but three trades by 364 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: general manager Manty Austin Ford. 365 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 6: I've said it before, and I'll really say it today. 366 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 6: If this rookie draft class is half as productive as 367 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 6: the rookie GM so far this year, then it's gonna 368 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 6: be a winner. Okay, It's gonna be an all time 369 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 6: draft haul. By the way, Monty Hall, right haul as 370 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 6: coined by our Jim Almahundro once again, three trades in 371 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 6: one day. He toko, look, and why exactly did you 372 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 6: schedule these joint practices against the Vikings. Well, there's two 373 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 6: reasons why. Always to get your team regular season ready. 374 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 6: Number two gets some evaluation against other teams, a playoff team, 375 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 6: so you get a better gauge of what exactly you 376 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 6: have on your roster. 377 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 4: So guess what. 378 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 6: He took a look and he said, oh, yeah, we're 379 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 6: gonna make some decisions based on what I saw out there. 380 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 4: And you saw it. You saw today. Very busy man, 381 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 4: you have been. 382 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: On this and I've got to give you credit half heartedly, sell, 383 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: but I will give you credit because as we begin 384 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: with what began the day, and that was Isaiah Simmons 385 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: and then josh Jones, two players from the twenty twenty 386 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: draft class, and you have put that draft class in 387 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: the spotlight since day one. So my guess is, before 388 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: we get to Joshua Dobbs, seeing Simmons and Jones having 389 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: them out not a big surprise to you. 390 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 6: No, they needed to prove themselves, prove they were part 391 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 6: of the future, and neither guy could nail down a 392 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 6: position Josh Jones couldn't beat out Kelvin Beacham for that 393 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 6: swing tackle. And remember, Josh Jones is limited in his 394 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 6: positional flexibility. He's told the media more than one once 395 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 6: he's much more comfortable on the left side, and two 396 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 6: years ago he proved he's really more of a tackle 397 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 6: than a guard. So Kelvin Beachum much more versatile across 398 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 6: that offensive line. There's no one more respected in the 399 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 6: locker room. That's not a slight of Josh Jones. His 400 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 6: work ethic was stellar by all accounts. But in terms 401 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 6: of a limited roster and if you're only dressing eight 402 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 6: offensive linemen, well, Josh Jones was the one who was expendable. 403 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 6: He's younger, he's got more of a trade value around 404 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 6: the league, so they try to maximize that and along 405 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 6: with a seventh round pick sent to Houston, they get 406 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 6: a fifth. 407 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: Rounder in return. 408 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 6: I would guess Josh Jones is happy he played four 409 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 6: years at the University Houston. He's a Texas guy. But 410 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 6: in terms of being that swing tackle and having multiple 411 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 6: positions you can play on game day and get you 412 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 6: out of a game, Kelvin Beacham was a superior player 413 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 6: in that regard, and so that decision was made as 414 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 6: such as for Isaiah Simmons, what was his position? He's 415 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 6: four years in the league. You can't answer that question. 416 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 6: He was quote drafted to cover the tight end that 417 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 6: didn't work out. He was given the green dot to 418 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 6: start last year. By the end of that opener against 419 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 6: Kansas City, he was benched and Zavon Collins was calling 420 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 6: the defense. Where exactly does he fit? He's an elite 421 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 6: athlete without a natural position, and I think we all 422 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 6: are going to pull for Isaiah Simmons to have a 423 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 6: role in a scheme and a defense somewhere in the NFL. 424 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 6: But based on what we saw in camp, and believe me, 425 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 6: it wasn't just that Kansas City preseason game. If you've 426 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 6: watched all A mini camp, if you watched all a 427 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 6: Cardinals camp, like you guys have, you saw during those 428 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 6: practices what we saw in game night against Case Paul. 429 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 5: When it comes to Josh Dobbs joining the team, now, 430 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 5: I think that's one of those moves that we all 431 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 5: are scratching our heads saying we were not expecting that 432 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 5: going into today. What do you think that says about 433 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 5: the quarterback battle? That we currently have. 434 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 6: It's a valid question. Here's what I think it says. 435 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 6: I think it is a reaction to these joint practices 436 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 6: where and I'll say it again, I talked about this 437 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 6: on The Big Red Rage and elsewhere that Cole McCoy 438 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 6: had a chance to really slam the door shut in 439 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 6: this so called quarterback competition. The only reason I called 440 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 6: a competition is because Jonathan Gannon was asked yesterday where 441 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 6: everything stands, and he said, we'll see, we haven't named 442 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 6: our starters yet. So whereas Washington is already named their 443 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 6: fifth rounder from last year the starting quarterback, the Cardinals 444 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 6: yet to do so. So if that would seemed to 445 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 6: indicate that all jobs are still open and open a competition. 446 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 6: Guess what, Clayton Tune has got better over these two 447 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 6: joint practices. 448 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: Clayton Tune has. 449 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 6: Thrown the ball downfield. He really excelled in the second 450 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 6: joint practice. He had multiple chunk throws on the money 451 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 6: in traffic. 452 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 4: Cole McCoy did not. 453 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 6: He struggled to advance the offense, struggle to really execute 454 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 6: a downfield passing game. So I truly wonder if this 455 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 6: move by the gm aniosipport was in response to what 456 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 6: he saw from the Cardinals first team offense against the 457 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 6: Vikings first team defense. 458 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: Let's stay on that topic. As far as the joint 459 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: practices you are in attendance, Zach and myself, we did 460 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: not make the cuts. 461 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: We are not in Minnesota. 462 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: So based off everything that we were able to read 463 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: and see via social media, Wednesday was not a good 464 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: day for the Cardinals. 465 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 2: How was Thursday? 466 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 4: Definitely better? 467 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 6: When it comes to the energy, the effort, the intensity, 468 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 6: Cardinals offense definitely was cleaner. There were a ton of 469 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 6: false start penalties, you know, pre snap penalties we had 470 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 6: yet to see at all in the Jonathan Gannon era 471 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 6: that reared its ugly head on Wednesday. There were a 472 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 6: lot of penetration through the offensive line that was missing. 473 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: Yelled to fro Hold and DJ humpreyes. DJ Humpries was 474 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 6: back on Thursday for the second practice, guys, but I 475 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 6: half joked that yell to Frohold had nailed down the 476 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 6: starting center position just based on the fact that he 477 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 6: wasn't there and the whole offensive line looked discombobulated. So 478 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 6: you had that on offense, you had zero downfield passing game, 479 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 6: and then on defense. You were going against Kirk Cousins 480 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 6: and Justin Jefferson, and guess what they made the Cardinals 481 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 6: defense pay. Although the defense was much more competitive against 482 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 6: the Vikings offense than the Cardinals offense was against a 483 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 6: poor Vikings defense, at least based on last year, they 484 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 6: were bottom three in total defense, bottom three and scoring 485 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 6: defense a year ago. They made a lot of different moves. 486 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 6: They brought in a new defensive coordinator, Brian Flores, is 487 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 6: known as being ultra aggressive, and guess what that's. What 488 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 6: was also impressive about Clayton Tune is that the Vikings 489 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 6: weren't hesitating to send numbers and blitz the rookie, and 490 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 6: he responded pretty darn well, especially in this second practice 491 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 6: today where once again he had downfield. He's in Davion Davis, 492 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 6: he's in Greg Derch, he was running with a first 493 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 6: team zer line of times, wasn't running with the first 494 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 6: team receivers, and was still making it work against the 495 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 6: first team Vikings defense. 496 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: I liked what DJ had to say post practice when 497 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: asked about the difference between Wednesday and Thursday. 498 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 3: Quote. 499 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: One of the coaches told me it was the DJ 500 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: Humphreys effect. So good to have number seventy four back 501 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: on the football field. Congratulations to him and yelled to 502 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: for a whole brand new dads. But it's what Zavon 503 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: Collins said Paul to me about the coaches and their 504 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: response and players being quote challenged in yesterday's meetings to 505 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: where you would expect a response, and it seems like 506 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: both the offense and defense responded today. 507 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, Josh Woods said after the Wednesday practice the first 508 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 6: one quote, I think we kind of let the weather 509 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 6: dictate how we were attacking our work today. I'm excited 510 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 6: to see how we bounce back. And then he said, 511 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 6: you know what, guys are gonna look at the film. 512 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 6: They're going to see that their quote effort wasn't maximized today. 513 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 6: That was the first joint practice. And then, as Greg 514 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 6: George told us in addition to Zavion Collins, I'm quoting 515 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 6: loosely here, coach was on our rear in the team 516 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 6: meetings on Wednesday night. So the point was made that 517 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 6: the effort and the intensity and the lack of focus 518 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 6: in a lot of ways, guys, was unacceptable on Wednesday. 519 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 6: Now or the weather conditions extreme, yes, take Arizona brutal 520 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 6: heat one hundred degrees and then take Florida humidity and 521 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 6: combine those two. So it was stifling. I mean, it 522 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 6: was swampy. Whereas Arizona is a dry heat, this was 523 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 6: a swampy heat, record heat for the day. And whereas 524 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 6: we thought the Cardinals would come into these joint practices 525 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 6: and enjoy the home heat advantage against the Vikings, that 526 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 6: wasn't the case at least based on the caliber and 527 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 6: quality of play. So Jonathan Gannon made his point. They 528 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 6: did respond, and I'm guessing that those guys atop the 529 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 6: depth chart in every position probably will be rewarded with 530 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 6: a ball cap in Sunflower seats on Saturday. I'm curious 531 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 6: to see how many regulars go against the Vikings in 532 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 6: the preseason finale. 533 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 5: One of those regulars that had played in the game 534 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 5: against the Kansas City Chiefs was Marquise Hollywood Brown. But 535 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: you mentioned Greg Dort, you mentioned Davion Davis. But it 536 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 5: seems throughout these training camp joint practices with the Minnesota 537 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 5: Vikings that those two specifically, but I think more so 538 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 5: the second, third, fourth wide receivers have definitely stood out 539 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 5: a lot. How much of that do you think is 540 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 5: comparing it just because it's preseason and you're trying to 541 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 5: give your number ones, your number two some rest versus 542 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 5: trying to get the other guys out there. 543 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 6: There's a little bit of that, But I would agree 544 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 6: if this is where you're going, Zach, that Marquis Holowood 545 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 6: Brown has been quiet in the preseason. We've seen a 546 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 6: few plays here and there at State Farm Stadium, didn't 547 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 6: see much against the Vikings. Rondell Moore didn't see a 548 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 6: whole bunch. Now, these two guys have excelled in the 549 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 6: regular season. Marquis Hollywood Brown, when we suffered that foot 550 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 6: injury in Week six at Seattle, was top seven of 551 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 6: both catches and receiving yards. So he was having a 552 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 6: banner season until he went down with injury and when 553 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 6: he fell to the ground with Tarik Woollen. But how 554 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 6: does he fit in this offense? What do the coaches 555 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 6: think of him? How is he going to be used? 556 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 6: I get the feeling from all indications that all the 557 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 6: receivers are be required to block. There's a reason they 558 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 6: brought in Zach Pascal. There's a reason that Mike Wilson 559 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 6: is getting such a claim that I think Michael Wilson 560 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 6: is already a made man. Why we haven't seen a 561 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 6: lot of them in the preseason because I think they 562 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 6: already trust him. I think he's already proved himself. Ron 563 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 6: Dell Moore and Marquise Hollywood Brown and what's going to 564 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 6: be a very different offense, a very different scheme from 565 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 6: that spread. You know philosophy that Cliff Kingsbury used. Where 566 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 6: where do they fit in this offense? I think it's 567 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 6: a valid question. 568 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: Leave us with this, Paul, you brought up the preseason 569 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: finale on Saturday. You and Jay Feely will be on 570 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: the radio call again. That is a ten am Arizona 571 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: time kickoff six thirty pregame coverage begins on Saturday morning 572 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: with yours truly, So I appreciate that very much, Paul. 573 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: That the bill will be in the mail, you can 574 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: rest assure that is happening. 575 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 6: But Base, I have quite the tab right now, Zach 576 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 6: with Green, So I got quite the tab. 577 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 4: I gonna have to get a second justice side hustle 578 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 4: just to. 579 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: Pay off gree Babor on what we saw or what 580 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: you saw Wednesday and Thursday. Who not who do you 581 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: expect to play? But who do you think, or is 582 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: there a position group that you want to see maybe 583 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: really stand out. On Saturday, which is the last evaluation 584 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: before that final. 585 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: Fifty three roster. 586 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 6: Edge rusher Dennis Gardeck did not practice. What's his status? 587 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 6: I don't think it's serious. I don't get that vibe. 588 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 6: I don't know for sure. Edge rusher bj o Jalari. 589 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 6: Both Wolf and I agreed. I watched bj Ojalai against 590 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 6: the Vikings first team offensive line on Wednesday. 591 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 4: Wolf watching him on Thursday. Both very impressed. Kid has skills, 592 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. 593 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 6: Okay, he comes out, he balls out on Saturday and 594 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 6: that preceive finale. You can't tell me he won't be 595 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 6: in the mix being the rotation against Washington, especially on 596 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 6: second and obvious third and obvious passing downs. So that's 597 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 6: one area I'm definitely watching beyond Keanta Ingram and James Connor. 598 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 6: Is the third running back on this roster? Or is 599 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 6: that one of the first waiver claims the Arizona Cardinals make. 600 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 6: We didn't see Marco Wilson. That's a bad guy to 601 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 6: have injured. If you're going into Week one. If there 602 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 6: is one guy knock on wood that you want to 603 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 6: stay healthy. It's your top corner because you are not 604 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 6: deep in that room. 605 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 5: Now. 606 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 6: There's no indication that Marco Wilson, who was working out 607 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 6: on a side field, is going to be sidelined for 608 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 6: that opener, but you're still not very deep. Key Trell Clark, 609 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 6: who didn't hesitate on Wednesday to do the gritty when 610 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 6: he broke up a pass attendant for Justin Jefferson, who 611 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 6: then returned the favor on Thursday when he caught a 612 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 6: touchdown on Key Troll Clark in eleven on eleven he 613 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 6: broke into a full gritty and the crowd loved it 614 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 6: out there and at Viking's camp. Okay, he seems to 615 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 6: be your number two, especially since Christian Matthew appeared to 616 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 6: struggle against Kansas City. I think Christian Matthew needs a 617 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 6: bounce back game. And then Antonio Hamilton. I think one 618 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 6: of the reasons you made the trade Isaiah Simmons the 619 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 6: New York Giants because you put Antonio Hamilton into that 620 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 6: nickel corner spot against KC. And I'm Gustiny fair pretty 621 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 6: well and you're not taking Buddh Baker and Jalen Thompson 622 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 6: off the field. So when you go into Nickel and Dime, 623 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 6: if Antonio Hamilton is that guy at the Nickels spot, well, 624 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 6: where were you playing Isaiah Simmons? Did he have any 625 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 6: playing time left in his future with the Cardinals? I 626 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 6: think that was all part of the equation that got 627 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 6: him traded to the Giants. 628 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: Good observation having number thirty three as as your slot 629 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: corner and then putting Jalen Thompson back with Buddha Baker 630 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: at the safety position. So again, one more game preseason 631 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: finale coming up on Saturday. Paul appreciated a lot of 632 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: hard work and maybe a little bit more work than expected, 633 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: especially on this Thursday with all the different moves, moving 634 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: parts and a joint practice. But we appreciate a couple 635 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: of minutes here today. 636 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 6: Remember the hashtag no allegiances, right, Even US media members 637 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 6: have to keep our head on a swivel these days 638 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 6: for the next roster move. 639 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: Hopefully things cool down for you a little bit, Paul. 640 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, you should see Wolf's hair. I mean, the frizz 641 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 6: factor is in an all time high. 642 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 4: It's brutal. 643 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 5: But he got a hat. 644 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 4: It's true, that's true. 645 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 6: You know, he donated the Vikings hat to a kid 646 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 6: and then he went within actual Cardinals hat instead of 647 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 6: trying to mcguiver. The bucket had from the Vikings team shop. 648 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 2: Good stuff, Paul appreciate it. 649 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 4: Okay, gentlemen, we'll see you in the az. 650 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: All right, good stuff from Paul right there again the 651 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: eyes and Ears for everything, joint practices with the Vikings. 652 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: But now, as we kind of touched on with Paul 653 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: zach our thoughts on this preseason finale, not expecting a 654 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: lot of the quote unquote names to be on the 655 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: field in action on Saturday, So we're kind of left 656 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: with those guys that maybe are on the bubble or 657 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: some of those younger players that just need reps, i e. 658 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: A Key Trell Clark or a Christian Mathew, even though 659 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna be counting on them a lot in the 660 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: regular season. But Paul mentioned edge Rush, he mentioned that 661 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: cornerback position. Those two the main two for you, or 662 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: is there any other position or maybe a player that 663 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: you are anxious to see one more time before making 664 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 1: a definitive decision as far as where you see them 665 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: this year or maybe. 666 00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 4: Not this year. 667 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 5: I think it really is in that cornerback battle we 668 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 5: saw that throughout the videos we saw on social media, 669 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 5: the Vikings wide receivers have kind of had their way, 670 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 5: and I know Paul was talking about how the defense 671 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 5: came out with a lot of intensity, and they did, 672 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 5: but you could definitely see that as well. My guy 673 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 5: Jesse Luketa, my Penn Stater with the pick six, which 674 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 5: was absolutely an impressive player. 675 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: How did I know that that was going to be 676 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: coming up, because you know me, I'm not exactly sure. 677 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: I don't based off the social media buzz, I'm not 678 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: sure if that ended practice or was one of the 679 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: final plays of the Thursday. 680 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 5: Pro Put a smile on my face, and that's all 681 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 5: that matters now. I thought, I thought that was an 682 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 5: impressive play. But also Kyle Soelli also had an interception 683 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 5: as well off a tip from Ben Stilly. So impressive 684 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 5: stuff there from the defense in terms of getting towards 685 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage, making an impact on the quarterback. 686 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 5: But when it comes to the cornerbacks, Christian Matthew Keetrell Clark, 687 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 5: you know, you have to deal with the first round 688 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 5: pick in Jordan Addison, and you were dealing with one 689 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 5: of the best wide receivers covering just Jefferson, so you 690 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 5: were able to learn from the best and Key Treil 691 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 5: Clark took to Twitter and said much respect to them. 692 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 5: They're legit and they are legit, which is why I 693 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 5: think that I'm most excited and my eyes are going 694 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 5: to be really focused on that cornerback room because you 695 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 5: want to see what Antonio Hamilton is able to bring 696 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 5: to the table. As we spoke about with Paul, do 697 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 5: you want to see how Christian Matthew is going to 698 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 5: be able to bounce back. He's kind of start to 699 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 5: slip down the ladder a little bit with Key Trow 700 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 5: going and taking that presumably taking that cornerback two spots. 701 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 5: So I'm interested in seeing that. And with the injuries 702 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 5: to myij Sanders and bjo Jalar, you want to see 703 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 5: if they're going to get out on the field at all. 704 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 5: You're not you know, Dennis Gardick is in because because 705 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 5: he hasn't been participating in practices. Zaven Collins, you're not 706 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 5: going to be seeing as much. So to give Jesse 707 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,280 Speaker 5: Luketta and Victor d Mucagee a breather, and Cameron Thomas, 708 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 5: I'm not sure if we're going to see him. I'm 709 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 5: interested to see if myj or b j O Jalar 710 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 5: again on the field. 711 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: On the subjects of the cornerback position. Marco Wilson has 712 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: not practiced this week. We don't know injury he's dealing with. 713 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: He left the game against the Kansas City Chiefs early 714 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: in the first half. His position is secure. Don't need 715 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: to see him on the field, but you do want 716 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: to see Kee Trell Clark, Christian Matthew. 717 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. 718 00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: Maybe Antonio Hamilton gets a pass if you will, because 719 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: of his veteran status, and maybe he doesn't need to 720 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: be on the field on Saturday, unless you want to 721 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: see him more as a slot corner because you no 722 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: longer have Isaiah Simmons on the field, which moved Jayln 723 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: Thompson to that slot corner position. And then can someone 724 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: else materialize like a Chris Boyd or someone a younger 725 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: player Equavian White. One of the undrafted players the Cardinals 726 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: have in that room. Of course, the wild card and 727 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: all this is Garrett Williams out of Syracuse. We still 728 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: have not seen him on the field as he's on 729 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: the non football injury list, so there's another name to 730 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 1: keep an eye on. But that edge rush because it 731 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you have in the secondary. They can 732 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: be all pros across the board, but if you cannot 733 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback as far as pressuring that quarterback 734 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: making them uncomfortable in the pocket, it doesn't matter. So 735 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,479 Speaker 1: that pass rush, I'm not looking for sacks. I would 736 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: like to see some quarterback hits. 737 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 5: Because there were none against the Cheese, there were zero. 738 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: It was a big goose egg. But again, who's playing 739 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: You brought it up, Zamon Collins, probably not. Dennis Gardeck 740 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: has in practice this week. What I did see in 741 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: some social media eclips from the joint practices bj Joli 742 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: look good. Cameron Thomas look good. So those are two 743 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: names right there. My j Sanders, do we see him 744 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: on the football field. He's been on and off as 745 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: far as his availability when it comes to practice. I 746 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: want to see o Jolari, Thomas and Sanders on the 747 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: field on Saturday. 748 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 749 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 5: Myjay's had what looks to be like a club around 750 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 5: his thumb. At least there's some padding over it. As 751 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 5: we know that that was his injury, although it was 752 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 5: not officially announced as as an injury. In that case, 753 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 5: it was just a little nick, But I think that 754 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,400 Speaker 5: you definitely want to see something, and I know that 755 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 5: Joshu Woods said that these practices are two games and 756 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 5: then you play a third on Saturday when the team's 757 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 5: actually participating in the game. To see BJ and Cameron 758 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 5: Thomas both looking really solid, at least through social media 759 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 5: eclips during these practices, it's really reassuring because you did 760 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 5: not know if BJ was going to be a slow 761 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 5: play into a game back into the regular season. You 762 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 5: didn't really know what was wrong with Cameron Thomas. So 763 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 5: to see both of them participating actively in these eleven 764 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 5: on elevens and making an impact, it definitely should be 765 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 5: a thumbs up if you're a Cardinals fan. 766 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: Defensive line as well, maybe there are some guys in there, 767 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: like a Lucky Photoo or maybe even an LJ. Collier 768 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: that have maybe solidified their spot, but do you need 769 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: to see more from some other guys. How many defensive 770 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: linemen do you keep so you have that rotation is 771 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: at six? 772 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 2: Is it's seven? Probably not more than seven or. 773 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: A But as far as who are those guys that 774 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: you do keep, and then of course, obviously everyone is 775 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: subject to a waiver claim. And then all of a sudden, 776 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: you get that tap and you thought you made the 777 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 1: fifty three and you really didn't, because that initial fifty 778 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: three on Tuesday can change between Tuesday and week ones, 779 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: week of work against or getting ready for the Washington Commanders, 780 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: and then running back. I think we're comfortable with James Connor. 781 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: I think Key Antony Ingram showed what he can do. 782 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: Does he need to do it again as far as 783 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 1: stacking those performances? And then is there someone else in 784 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: that running back room that this team maybe has an 785 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: eye on to be a third running back ors at 786 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: one of those positions that this team will keep an 787 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: eye on when those cuts are made. 788 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: I think that. 789 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 5: I mean, Corey Clement is definitely not a bad RB 790 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 5: three to have, so if you do keep three, I 791 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 5: think that he's a good option. He's a very good 792 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,319 Speaker 5: option to have. And I don't think that you need 793 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 5: to go into the waiver wire for anybody to fill 794 00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 5: that slide. I think you have three solid running back 795 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 5: in your room as is, and you have your rookies 796 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 5: like your Margi Mercado's who have made an impact. In 797 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 5: that game against Denver, you obviously was able to punch 798 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 5: it in on that two point conversion to give the 799 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 5: Cardinals to win. But I do you want to see 800 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,439 Speaker 5: Keante do it again? 801 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 2: Of course you do. 802 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 5: Why wouldn't you want to see Keiante do it again 803 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 5: if you're a Cardinals fan? Do I think he needs 804 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 5: to do it again in order to be RB two? No? 805 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 2: Elsewhere. 806 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: As far as positions, I think wide receiver Greg Dortch 807 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: has looked phenomenal, not only in training camp, but in 808 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota as well. Those joint practices. What was perhaps a 809 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: question mark going into the offseason, I don't think is 810 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 1: a question mark anymore. I think Greg Dortch has really 811 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: solidified his spot on the roster offensive line. With the 812 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: able to Frohole missing practice this week, John Gaines has 813 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: been the number one center, pat elfline continues to sit 814 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: and watch. I would like to see John gains get 815 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: some more reps at the center position, a spot he's 816 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: familiar with, but not a lot of experience going back 817 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: to college. And again, that's an other draft pick that 818 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: you're going to be counting on a lot. Perhaps if 819 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: something should happen to. 820 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 5: Fro Holt, this twenty twenty three class is gonna be 821 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 5: hands on right away. As you mentioned Craig in the 822 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 5: very beginning, Manti Austin Ford has his fingerprints all over 823 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 5: this team. And when you have nine players, assuming that 824 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 5: Garrett Williams could come back healthy, when you have nine 825 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 5: players that could all make an impact on your everyday roster, 826 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 5: you don't normally get that. When you join a team, 827 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 5: you don't you're not normally a late round draft pick 828 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 5: in are fighting for a starting position like a key 829 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 5: Tarl Clark is, like a Garrett Williams is once he 830 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 5: cuts back here. So it's interesting to see how it happens. 831 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 5: But John Gaines has been They've been very complimentary of 832 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 5: him throughout this process. I spoke with Dennis Daily a 833 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 5: few weeks back during training camp when we were still 834 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 5: at State Farm, which feels like forever ago at this 835 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 5: point already, but he was very complimentary of John gains 836 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 5: and he said that he comes in with that positive attitude. 837 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 5: He's learning under Yell Defroholt, and I think he's done 838 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,799 Speaker 5: a really solid job so far. 839 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: Preseason finale coming up on Saturday ten am is the 840 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: kickoff six thirty Pregame covers begins on the Arizona Cardinals 841 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: Radio Network and I think finally, Zach, we can all 842 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: catch our breath for what was a busy Thursday. 843 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna have my fingers crossed. Anti Austin Fourth's 844 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 5: probably cooking something up right now. 845 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 2: We have no idea about it. 846 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: As Ron Woofley likes to say, keep your head on 847 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,839 Speaker 1: a swivel, and that is with the general manager in 848 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: mind for the Arizona Cardinals here his first season, his 849 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: first time as a general manager, and yes, making moves 850 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: left and right. And on that note, we will put 851 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented 852 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 1: by Hundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, 853 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim A. Mohundro, our 854 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: associate producer Cody Fincher. For Zach Ershwin, I'm Craig Rialdo. 855 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover 856 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: two