WEBVTT - #281 Packers Unscripted: Draft preview 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:21.080 Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot com. 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:24.960 I am Mike Spofford sitting alongside West Hodkowits. We're coming 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.120 to hear from our studios at Lambolefield and West. This 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.440 is actually our final show for a while. We're going 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.120 to take a break from Packers Unscripted from now until 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.440 shortly before the Draft. We will be back with with 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:41.040 more episodes as we get closer to draft time. But 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:43.879 because this is our last show for a while, I 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:48.200 want to kind of do a post Combine draft preview. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:50.480 I guess you might say, as far as the Green 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.120 Bay Packers are concerned, and I know the fans are 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.880 very anxious, very curious to see what the Packers are 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:57.840 going to do on the defensive side of the ball 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.760 in this upcoming draft, and a lot of talk is 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:05.280 about pass rushers and cornerbacks. Do you have a priority list, 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.440 so to speak, in terms of the positions and how 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.840 the Packers go about this or what's your view of 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.120 the approach. That's a great question, Mike. I guess my 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.840 approach to this would be go pass rusher early. I'm 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.360 not saying that has to be at fourteen, but the 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.600 Packers also pick at forty five. So I just think 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.639 in the first two rounds you gotta get a pass rusher. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.720 And the reason I say that is it's not necessarily 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.679 even because it's like, well you have to replace Clay 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.399 Matthews or Nick Perry. You just got to add to 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.360 that rotation. You gotta get deeper there. I think Reggie 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.520 Gilbert's a really fine young prospect. You know, adding Vince 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:39.880 Biegel last year was good, but then he got hurt Um. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.080 They just need more options there because it's not just 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.000 what you can do on the boundary, it's it's how 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:46.760 you can be used in other ways too, in the 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.840 sub packages and rushing inside like they did with Julius Peppers. 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:54.320 So for me, that's an emphasis. And in hearing what 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.320 people have said about this draft class, I think there's 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.480 some really solid prospects we already outlined some of them 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.560 that can be had probably in those first fifty picks. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.520 And again i'm Wes hot Cooits not my title to 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.280 b GM, but I just think that this is a 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:11.280 really good opportunity for the Packers to potentially add another 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:13.760 edge rusher into that equation. Yeah, and we'll see if 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.080 the thoughts change over the next several weeks. But the 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.400 other thing that we're hearing is that a lot of 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:22.240 drafts experts saying, as far as the edge rusher type 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.800 of position goes, not a whole lot of depth in 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.919 this draft class. Last year, I believe it was somewhere 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.399 in the neighborhood of seventeen to twenty total edge rushers 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.720 were drafted over the course of the of the seven rounds. 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.639 They're not talking about that type of depth at at 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.120 that position in this draft. So if you like one 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.799 and he's there early when you pick, you might need 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.639 to get him because I don't know if a guy 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.040 like a Vince Bagel is going to be there on 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.760 Day three. Yeah, and there's there's some analysis that Brian 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.239 good Constant is his scouts are going to have to 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.400 run in terms of trying to calculate the value of 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.720 these guys. Who's looking at which players where these guys 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.840 could potentially fall, because this is an opportunity to pick 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.600 at fourteen. Uh, and you don't want to overdraft a 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.600 guy just because you need somebody at that position. You 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.120 want to be able to find the right fit. Unfortunately, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:15.160 to my on my eye, and again one man's opinion here, 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.760 But it doesn't seem like cornerback is a spot either 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.400 that fourteen just has a guy that's screaming to be 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:24.520 taken inside that that mark there just isn't someone of 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.600 that level. I don't think good prospects, but probably a 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.840 little bit more on the deeper side than what edge 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:31.760 Rusher is in terms of where you could get a 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.280 potential playmaker. The Packers have had success before finding those 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.720 kind of guys in the middle rounds could go and 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:40.000 we'll talk about the certainly offense is certainly on the 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:42.960 table as well. I just think, as we've talked about 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.760 during this whole process, picking that early that they're gonna 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:52.240 be you know, have a lot less projection and I 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.280 don't want to call it a guestimation in terms of 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.520 who's going to be available at like let's say it 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.960 changes the game for and good ocunts. But it also 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.640 is something you have to keep in mind too, is 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.320 that you want to make sure you get the right 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.600 value there. So whether that's trading, whether that's finding player there, 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.760 it's gonna be an interesting game the Packers will have 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.200 to play. Yeah, and we'll see you mentioned the cornerback 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:18.760 position and obviously it depends on who's available and and 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.400 how the draft falls in those first thirteen picks, then 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.280 when the Packers are on the clock at pick number fourteen. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:28.480 But just an illustration of where the league is headed, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.800 um and and really what what team's value right now. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.440 It wouldn't surprise me at all if for the third 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.680 time in the last four years, Damarius Randall Kevin King 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.000 that the Packers potentially use their first pick again three 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.800 times in four years at the cornerback spot, wouldn't surprise 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.559 me at all. Well, there's a reason why we're talking, 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.360 Mike about quarterbacks getting thirty million dollars a year now, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.960 and it's because it's a pass oriented league and that's 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.479 where everything starts. You need to have guys they're gonna 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.640 be able to combat that. Packers had a lot of 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.400 success for a number of years, and not to say 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:02.640 they're not doing it now, but where they found the 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.960 Sam Shields of the world. You know, an undrafted free agency, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.280 you had a guy like Trumont Williams gets signed over 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.479 after spending time on the Houston Texans practice squad to 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.320 become a Pro Bowl cornerback. They signed you know, Charles Woodson, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.320 who is at at that point not really a downturn, 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.599 but really hadn't been the kind of player that he 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.000 sort of made his name on. So I don't want 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.400 to say the Packers got lucky, but they really lightning 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.880 struck quite a few times in a row, and they 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.000 had a lot of success with it in the defense thrived. 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.920 It's getting more difficult to find that though, because with 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:36.240 how spread out these defenses are getting, teams need four 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.280 capable cornerbacks at any given time. It's not just a 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:41.880 two corner league anymore. And I think for that reason, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:44.440 you see teams, not just the Green Bay Packers, having 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.599 to use those early round draft picks to find a 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.760 guy that'll fit in because in most cases, Mike, they're 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.440 going to have to play as a rookie. Yeah, and 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.920 then you know, you have just one or two injuries 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.080 and suddenly you're going to the fifth and the sixth 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.120 cornerback on your roster against against those dime packages, and yeah, 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.560 it's it really is the position where you can never 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.000 have enough, not enough, and not enough versatility is all right? Well, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.039 with that, we're going to toss to a breakback with 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:26.880 more and Packers unscripted right after this Welcome back to 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.160 Packers unscripted Mike Spofford right here West Hodko, WIT's all 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.480 the way over there west, offensive side of the ball here. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.880 In terms of a draft preview for the Packers, there's 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.080 a long term need I think at wide receiver we've 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.520 talked about, you know, who's the next Jordy Nelson. Can 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.200 the Packers find that kind of guy in this draft 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.760 to pair with Davante Adams? Maybe long term tight end, 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.320 a position the Packers have right now as of as 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.080 of the time we're taping this episode, have only Lance 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:59.800 Kendricks an Emmanuel Bird under contract at the position offensive guard. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:03.000 The jr R. Evans situation. Don't know at this point 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.039 if he's coming back or not. The Packers may have 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.960 an open starting spot there. I think the one position 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:14.040 the Packers maybe aren't aren't necessarily concerned about offensively um 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.160 in this draft is running back. Because of the three 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.640 picks taken last year. You also have the backup quarterback situation, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.720 and it will some competition be brought in for for 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.560 Brett Humley. Of something Mike McCarthy indicated at the combine 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:28.400 he'd like to do. What do you see as uh, 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.040 you know, do you have a priority? You know, have 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.760 you prioritized the list on the offensive side of the 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.960 ball here? Well, here's the thing, Mike, and I know 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.640 I I caught some flak from fans due to my 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:43.680 viewpoints on s Kwon Barclay before the combine. I am 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.760 a big enough man to admit when I'm wrong, and 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.160 I'll say this is Kwon Barkley is there at fourteen? 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.640 That is rather enticing. I know he had the intangibles, 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.200 That's why everybody was asking about it. And I got 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.920 into this big fight about well, then he's not a 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.040 top five player anymore. But here's the thing that combine 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.880 he put together. He's not going to be there. So 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.720 the question really becomes Mike with probably I would guess 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.400 at least three maybe four quarterbacks being taken before number fourteen, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.880 who's going to fall heredeed? I mean, because you can't 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.600 take them all. Somebody's got to be available at four teens. 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.400 So you know, where does Quentin Nelson come off the board? 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.160 Where you know, although there isn't really a big receiver 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:29.400 prospect this year, that's like demanding top five, top ten attention. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.960 There are some good ones in this draft. Class as well. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:35.240 And then also depending on how patient you are, what 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.000 you want to you know, really prioritize. There's some good 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.040 tight end prospects that you and I have really talked 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.040 about as well. So to me outside looking in, it 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.680 just seems like that fourteenth pick, that first round pick 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.600 is destined to be defense. But there are enough offensive 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:53.160 players available in those first fifteen to twenty picks that 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.880 Brian Goodkins is gonna have a lot of things to 0:08:54.880 --> 0:08:57.440 consider as well. Yeah, and when you look at, obviously 0:08:57.480 --> 0:08:59.920 how the rest of the draft lays out, the Packers 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.679 have their picks in the first three rounds, and then 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.080 on the third day of the draft, rounds four through seven, 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:07.199 they're gonna be nine selections. I mean, I see the 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.880 Packers in one in some way, shape or form, addressing 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.400 offensive line, tight end, wide receiver. You know, we'll talk 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.480 a little bit later on about just how many picks 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.079 maybe we think the Packers are gonna actually end up 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:22.240 making with regards to twelve, but there are a lot 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:24.200 of there are a lot of spots to fill here 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.000 and uh and you know, you look at the quarterback position, 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:28.959 Like I said, Brett Honley was a fifth round pick, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.680 a few years ago, Mike McCarthy talked about wanting to 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.880 bring in more competition. We don't know if that's going 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.000 to come through free agency with signing a veteran to 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.559 compete with Hunley for the backup job, or if the 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.120 Packers are going to invest another draft pick in a 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.960 quarterback and and let him duke it out with Hunley 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.079 for preseason playing time and and see who really should 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.600 be the number two guy in Yeah, and then that's 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.400 kind of a little bit of a puzzle to a 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.160 little bit of a catch twenty two as well, because 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.800 you kind of have to decide what you're looking for 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.640 then if you go back into the draft, because if 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.840 you d have a guy that's strictly based on potential 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:03.920 and upside, it's gonna be tough for that young man 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.960 to really push Brett Huntley for that job in year one. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.480 Maybe down the road could become a viable option. But 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.480 then do you look at maybe a Matt Flynn type 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.319 quarterback who had ample experience could potentially push him. But 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.280 what's his upside? What has hit the long game with him? 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.640 That's a question the package will have to answer. You 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.720 mentioned the offensive line, Really there was only one time 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.400 in Ted Thompson's tenure as GM, they didn't draft an 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.400 offensive lineman was two thousand and fifteen, and it really 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.640 came back to bite them. It was a mistake. You 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.440 definitely want to keep that going because when you have 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.560 to have five of those guys on the field at 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.200 all times, you don't have another option. You have to 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.679 have guys that could potentially fit into different spots. Everybody 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.760 that they've taken recently Michael and then some of the 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.400 guys that they haven't that have come in a street 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.160 free agents like Justin McCrae, have had to play multiple 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.120 positions behind that starting offensive line. Those guys are playing 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:56.520 a thousand snaps a season. It's tough. Not everybody's gonna 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:58.839 do what Corey Linsley did this year, going pillar to 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.679 post the entire season, being able to stay on the 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.640 field and then from the receiver position, just briefly to 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.480 touch on that. I don't know what the Packers plans 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:09.880 are there. Certainly you have things that determined to figure 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.600 out what Jordy Nelson, Randall Cobb and the like, But 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.200 it has been sometimes since the Packers have really taken 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.080 a receiver. I think, if you correct me, if I'm wrong, 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:21.240 it is it two thousand two with with Trevor Davis 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.400 Davison throwned out of Cow. Yeah, so early rounds, could 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:26.760 you be looking at that again like they did in 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:28.920 two thousand and four team with Davante Adams something to 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.000 consider as well. But certainly with those twelve picks, and 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:35.079 we'll get into the shortly, it gives them different options 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:36.520 if they want to move up, if there's a guy 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.640 they like, and certainly if they want to stand pat 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.880 they're gonna end up with a lot of prospects as well. Yeah, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:43.600 we've talked obviously about the success at the wide receiver 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.439 position finding guys in the second round. You know, Jennings Nelson, Cobb, Adams, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.200 James Jones was a third round pick. You know, the 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.600 way things look. You know, I don't know what's going 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.200 to happen contract wise right now with Jordy Nelson and 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:58.920 Randall Cobb, but it just seems to me that, you know, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.600 if there's a received or prospect there that you see 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.800 as potentially the next Davante Adams are the next Jordy Nelson, 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:06.840 I gotta believe the Packers are going to pull the 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.160 trigger and set the set up Aaron Rodgers for you 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.480 know the four and five and six years beyond here 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.120 that that would coincide with the extension they just gave 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.640 to Davante Adam. It's the mirror match we talked about 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.280 the cornerbacks, right, you need four of them, five of them. 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:23.200 It is the same thing with the receivers because as 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.319 we saw this past season with Geroni Wilson the game 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.920 he had against the Cincinnati Bengals, You're gonna need to 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.000 turn to different guys at different times, and then those 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.800 guys have to be ready for that moment. All right. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.840 With that, we'll throw to a break back with more 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:54.839 on Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:58.480 Mike Spofford in this chair, West Hodkowits in that one, Okay, West. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.600 So everybody's wondering who exactly is going to be there 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.560 for the Packers at pick in the first round. And 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.440 of course, if we knew that, we wouldn't be sitting here. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:12.240 I don't think we have other things to do. But um, 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:15.320 I've said this before and coming back from the combine 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.920 did not change my feeling on this. It really it 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:22.080 all comes down to these quarterbacks. There are four quarterbacks 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.600 being talked about as being drafted in the first round, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:28.240 Josh Allen from Wyoming, Sam Donald from USC, Josh Rosen 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.720 from u C. L A. And Baker Mayfield from Oklahoma. 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.240 If there's a run on quarterbacks with these teams at 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.160 the top of the draft where they're trying to making 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.480 sure that they get their guy, and maybe there will 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:44.640 even be some trades and some jockeying for position and whatnot. Essentially, 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.240 when you're not in the market for a first round cornerback, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.160 a quarterback, excuse me, which the Packers are not. All 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.520 of a sudden, the fourteenth overall pick looks like the 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.920 tenth overall pick in essence, when you take take those quarterbacks, 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:00.319 um and in those in those spots. But if those 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.040 quarterbacks don't go in the top half of the first round, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.600 everything changes in terms of in terms of teams taking 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.120 that you know, best player available and not just drafting 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.680 the quarterback because that's the guy they really really need. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.640 Quarterbacks of the guys who always dictate how these how 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.720 these first rounds of the draft can go, Yeah, absolutely, 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.360 because you're gonna get guys that if you put them 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.040 up on a board. As far as they're grade. They 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.160 might not necessarily be a top five or top ten, 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.480 or even a first round pick in some cases, but 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:30.440 yet they're the top at their position, or they're at 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:34.080 the top available at that position. In teams general managers, 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.120 there's pressure right from the moment that you get a 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.440 job if if you're going into a situation where the 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.480 quarterback position is unsettled, that's your number one objective, and 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.640 you look at right now the position a lot of 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.680 these guys are in. I think I think last year 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.960 with Ryan Pace and what the Chicago Bears did is 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.320 sort of really emblematic of how much of a struggle 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.240 this is to find the man. I mean, they're trading 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.560 up one spot, they're trading draft picks, they're trading assets 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.000 to move up for a guy that very well might 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.920 have been there if they just waited for fifteen minutes. 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.080 Now he might not have, but he very well could have. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.440 And and and Pace just wasn't willing to take the 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.800 chance because he was sold on the fact that Mitch 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.480 Rubisky was was the quarterback of the future for the 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.840 Chicago Bears, and he was going to he was going 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.880 to get him come hell or high water, and I 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:23.920 think it's also the defining moment on the other side 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.280 of it too. I think John Lynch really got his 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.560 you know sprinted out of the gate with those moves, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.360 being able to move back and then trading a second 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.280 rounder for Jimmy Garoppolo. So, uh, this is the game 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.640 that teams have to play. Not to keep bringing that up, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.840 but I mean this is ultimately Mike the game within 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:43.680 the actual game in terms of trying to figure out 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.160 how all of these things are gonna play out, because 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.920 it's really just the giant, massive game of poker. Guys 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.280 are holding their cards. Stuff gets leaked out, you know, 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.000 so and so is looking at this guy or this 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.320 team or whatever. We don't really know until that draft 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.600 night happens. But the one thing the constant is, and 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.360 you can skinny GM in the NFL about this, the 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.760 more picks you have, the more real opportunity there is 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:08.920 to make sure you get the most value out of 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.000 those picks, whether it's moving up, moving back, or staying 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.600 where you are. Yeah, And the one thing we're not 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.160 hearing so much about, and again, the draft is what 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.880 seven weeks away, so a lot of things can change, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.960 but we're not hearing so much about the these franchise 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.800 left tackle types necessarily like up in the top ten. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.600 So when you look at Orlando Brown helped with that. 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.560 But yeah, yeah, that that was certainly a factor. So 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:34.280 you look at this, if if you got the four quarterbacks, 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:36.200 you know, se Kwan Barkley is going to be picked, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.840 most likely Quentin Nelson, the guard from Notre Dame. He's 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.720 really considered the top offensive lineman in the entire draft 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.360 if he if if he is picked, and then the 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.080 only the only other one. Yeah, you you mentioned at 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.760 wide receiver. There is some talk about the Bears at 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.800 number eight because they have such a glaring need at 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.960 wide receiver that maybe they would take Calvin Ridley from 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.640 Alabama that high. So if all of that happens, that's 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.679 I believe seven guys that I've rattled off, the four quarterbacks, 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.040 the guard, the running back, and the wide receiver. So 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.280 in essence, if you're if you're looking at defensive guys, 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.560 the Packers could get a guy who's really one of 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:18.200 the top seven or eight defensive players in this entire draft. That's, uh, 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.600 you know, that's very attractive, But again, you just don't 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:23.800 know how it's necessarily going to fall, And as you 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.800 talked about, that's how it happened in two thousand nine, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:27.960 that's how b j Rogi ultimately fell into their lap. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.520 I I kind of jumped over there, But I really 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.920 would be very surprised if either Fitzpatrick or James are 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.920 are available at four teen. Yeah, I was those guys 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.160 are coming off the board then too. And if Hurst 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.640 doesn't have out of Michigan doesn't have the heart condition, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.840 I think he was pretty much locked in to be 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.760 a top ten or top twelve guy. So who's still 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.960 there and in seeing exactly we can talk until we 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:55.080 get blue in the face about certain prospects. Inevitably there's 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.800 somebody who falls on draft night for one reason or 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.639 another that sometimes we know. Sometimes it's it's known why 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.639 this guy potentially his stock is falling. Sometimes we don't. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.600 Sometimes it just happens because the medical test don't get 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.360 out there in the media, things don't get leaked. So 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.960 that's the fascinating part of this to watch, And for 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.280 the packers, there were so many years where they just 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.720 had to wait where all these dominoes were falling to 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.680 actually start to make heads and tails of this thing. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.239 This year. It's gonna happen a lot earlier. Yeah, you're 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:24.600 in a different spot for sure. With that, we'll toss 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.080 to a break back with more on Packers Unscripted right 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:46.600 after this. Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford next 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.040 to West had Quitz. Okay, Wes. This is its final 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.480 segment here before a bit of a break and then 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:54.320 we will kind of match my plane down to the door. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.040 The Packers are going into this with twelve picks. You've 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:01.320 got your one pick in every round, that seven four 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.399 compensatory picks, an extra fourth to extra fifths and an 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:07.520 extra sixth and then an extra seventh because of the 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:10.320 Laurenti McCray trade from a couple of years ago. So 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.680 twelve picks, that's a lot of that's a lot of 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.400 selections to potentially make. There could be some trades here 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.240 and there. How many picks do you think the Packers 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.600 will actually make? I bet they make ten? Is okay? 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:25.280 So you're thinking some trades up. I wonder if if 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.119 for no other reason, I wonder if Brian Goodkins is 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.359 going to do with Ted Thompson always did, And that's 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.200 make sure you don't actually have to pick in the 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:35.320 seventh round. Thompson. That was actually one thing that very 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.520 quietly he did during his reign as gm UH. He 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.679 always seemed to part with those seventh round picks. And 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.840 if you follow the game close enough, one of the 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.840 reasons you do that is because it allows you sometimes 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.680 to get a head start on the undrafted free Yeah, 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.200 you're work. You're working the phones with those undrafted guys 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.280 and trying to convince them to sign as soon as 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.280 the draft ends. So it's sometimes, I think, can be 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.399 kind of a weight and counterbalanced thing of trying to 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.440 figure out which guys you're gonna have a real legitimate 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.520 chance at getting and which guys you're not. The Packers 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.560 drafted Jeff Janis with their seventh rounder and fourteen because 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:05.480 I think one of the thought processes was it wasn't 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:06.600 a lock that they were going to be able to 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:09.080 get him as a uf A. So that's that's something 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.240