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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford sitting alongside West Hodkowits. We're coming

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Speaker 1: to hear from our studios at Lambolefield and West. This

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Speaker 1: is actually our final show for a while. We're going

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Speaker 1: to take a break from Packers Unscripted from now until

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Speaker 1: shortly before the Draft. We will be back with with

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Speaker 1: more episodes as we get closer to draft time. But

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Speaker 1: because this is our last show for a while, I

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Speaker 1: want to kind of do a post Combine draft preview.

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Speaker 1: I guess you might say, as far as the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers are concerned, and I know the fans are

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Speaker 1: very anxious, very curious to see what the Packers are

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Speaker 1: going to do on the defensive side of the ball

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Speaker 1: in this upcoming draft, and a lot of talk is

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Speaker 1: about pass rushers and cornerbacks. Do you have a priority list,

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Speaker 1: so to speak, in terms of the positions and how

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Speaker 1: the Packers go about this or what's your view of

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Speaker 1: the approach. That's a great question, Mike. I guess my

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Speaker 1: approach to this would be go pass rusher early. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that has to be at fourteen, but the

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Speaker 1: Packers also pick at forty five. So I just think

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Speaker 1: in the first two rounds you gotta get a pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is it's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: even because it's like, well you have to replace Clay

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Speaker 1: that rotation. You gotta get deeper there. I think Reggie

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Speaker 1: Gilbert's a really fine young prospect. You know, adding Vince

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Speaker 1: They just need more options there because it's not just

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Speaker 1: what you can do on the boundary, it's it's how

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Speaker 1: you can be used in other ways too, in the

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Speaker 1: sub packages and rushing inside like they did with Julius Peppers.

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Speaker 1: So for me, that's an emphasis. And in hearing what

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Speaker 1: people have said about this draft class, I think there's

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Speaker 1: some really solid prospects we already outlined some of them

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Speaker 1: that can be had probably in those first fifty picks.

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Speaker 1: And again i'm Wes hot Cooits not my title to

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Speaker 1: b GM, but I just think that this is a

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Speaker 1: really good opportunity for the Packers to potentially add another

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Speaker 1: edge rusher into that equation. Yeah, and we'll see if

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Speaker 1: the thoughts change over the next several weeks. But the

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Speaker 1: other thing that we're hearing is that a lot of

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Speaker 1: drafts experts saying, as far as the edge rusher type

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Speaker 1: this draft class. Last year, I believe it was somewhere

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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of seventeen to twenty total edge rushers

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Speaker 1: were drafted over the course of the of the seven rounds.

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Speaker 1: They're not talking about that type of depth at at

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Speaker 1: that position in this draft. So if you like one

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Speaker 1: like a Vince Bagel is going to be there on

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Speaker 1: Day three. Yeah, and there's there's some analysis that Brian

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Speaker 1: good Constant is his scouts are going to have to

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Speaker 1: run in terms of trying to calculate the value of

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Speaker 1: these guys. Who's looking at which players where these guys

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Speaker 1: could potentially fall, because this is an opportunity to pick

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Speaker 1: want to be able to find the right fit. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: to my on my eye, and again one man's opinion here,

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like cornerback is a spot either

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Speaker 1: that fourteen just has a guy that's screaming to be

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Speaker 1: taken inside that that mark there just isn't someone of

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Speaker 1: little bit more on the deeper side than what edge

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Speaker 1: potential playmaker. The Packers have had success before finding those

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Speaker 1: who's going to be available at like let's say it

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Speaker 1: But just an illustration of where the league is headed,

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Speaker 1: Mike about quarterbacks getting thirty million dollars a year now,

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Speaker 1: and it's because it's a pass oriented league and that's

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Speaker 1: where everything starts. You need to have guys they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to combat that. Packers had a lot of

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Speaker 1: to say the Packers got lucky, but they really lightning

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Speaker 1: It's getting more difficult to find that though, because with

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Speaker 1: how spread out these defenses are getting, teams need four

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Speaker 1: two corner league anymore. And I think for that reason,

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Speaker 1: guy that'll fit in because in most cases, Mike, they're

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Speaker 1: going to have to play as a rookie. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, you have just one or two injuries

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Speaker 1: more and Packers unscripted right after this Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Packers unscripted Mike Spofford right here West Hodko, WIT's all

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Speaker 1: the way over there west, offensive side of the ball here.

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Speaker 1: In terms of a draft preview for the Packers, there's

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Speaker 1: a long term need I think at wide receiver we've

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Speaker 1: of the time we're taping this episode, have only Lance

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Speaker 1: Brett Humley. Of something Mike McCarthy indicated at the combine

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Speaker 1: you prioritized the list on the offensive side of the

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Speaker 1: ball here? Well, here's the thing, Mike, and I know

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Speaker 1: I I caught some flak from fans due to my

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Speaker 1: I'll say this is Kwon Barkley is there at fourteen?

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Speaker 1: That is rather enticing. I know he had the intangibles,

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Speaker 1: So you know, where does Quentin Nelson come off the board?

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Speaker 1: Where you know, although there isn't really a big receiver

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Speaker 1: There are some good ones in this draft. Class as well.

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Speaker 1: And then also depending on how patient you are, what

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Speaker 1: just seems like that fourteenth pick, that first round pick

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Speaker 1: Like I said, Brett Honley was a fifth round pick,

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Speaker 1: That's a question the package will have to answer. You

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Speaker 1: The Packers are going into this with twelve picks. You've

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Speaker 1: would be absolutely stunned if the Packers just drafted twelve

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Speaker 1: players and all and stayed, stayed and all. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: I don't see that was in Thompson's way. For as

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Speaker 1: much as people think he was conservative, he moved around

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Speaker 1: a lot. There was one draft I remember, and I

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Speaker 1: can't remember that was the one he stayed at every spot,

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Speaker 1: and it was everybody was just stunned, like, how come

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Speaker 1: there are underny trades but in those personnel departments, I

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Speaker 1: expected to move a little bit, all right, I expect

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Speaker 1: that as well. But with that, we're going to call

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Speaker 1: it a rap on this edition of Packers Unscripted and

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Speaker 1: sign off for a little while, though. We will be

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Speaker 1: back with you shortly before the NFL Draft in late April.

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Speaker 1: With that, He's West Hodkowitz. I'm Mike Spofford. Thanks for watching, everybody,

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Speaker 1: see you next, right,