Speaker 1: This is How Men Think with growths and I heard
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the first episode of How Men
Speaker 1: Think in My name is brooks Like, And I got
Speaker 1: my brooks Like, I got my gracious co host here
Speaker 1: with me, Mr Gavin de Gros. Buddy, Yeah, you two,
Speaker 1: it's been like a year since I've seen you, almost
Speaker 1: you get it feels like it. It actually feels like
Speaker 1: it's been it's been like a decade. Is that it's
Speaker 1: been a decade. It's a new decade, buddy. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the new year, my man. It's a good new year.
Speaker 1: It's a great new year, hopefully even better than last year,
Speaker 1: which I thought was top of the top for me.
Speaker 1: Really not really, it's pretty good. I had a good one, man,
Speaker 1: you know, but it can always be a little better. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I have a gift for you to start off in
Speaker 1: a wonder the most wonderful possible way. Is it a
Speaker 1: home pregnancy test? Why you're going through something? No, it
Speaker 1: is not. It is. It is the gentleman sitting to
Speaker 1: our right with us, to this guy with us today
Speaker 1: in studio with a bow on him, the one and
Speaker 1: only my my wife fan girl. When I told her
Speaker 1: that you were coming in. Mr Freddie Prince Jr. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a gift just for you man, just for you
Speaker 1: to see my gift. Yeah, brokes for wearing the rapper Man.
Speaker 1: By the way, I self unwrapped to stay kicked back.
Speaker 1: Whatever you need, perfect Freddy, I gotta play this clip
Speaker 1: for you. So the other day I told Julianne that
Speaker 1: you were coming in and East and our engineer here's
Speaker 1: going to que it up for you. Tell me when
Speaker 1: you're ready East. Oh, here it is, so I'm filming here.
Speaker 1: She doesn't like, literally, are you like all time crush
Speaker 1: of all crushes? It's too funny. She did the dramatic
Speaker 1: breath yea, like after you have a cold beer. She's
Speaker 1: got a book, cookbook. Let's not let's not turn me
Speaker 1: into some novelist. I'm not Jack Carrowac or anything like that. Um,
Speaker 1: but she was, Oh my god, she was fired up.
Speaker 1: She's actually out of town, so she wasn't able to
Speaker 1: come in. Otherwise I guarantee she'd be making appearance on
Speaker 1: this podcast. So your wife, Your wife's probably in her
Speaker 1: mid thirties. I'm not trying to expose in a young
Speaker 1: early thirties somewhere in there, so that that's the age.
Speaker 1: So the right around that age is all these grown
Speaker 1: people and all the boys of that generation hate me,
Speaker 1: and all the girls of that generation do what your
Speaker 1: lady did, which is just love me. And I feel
Speaker 1: bad because like they made their guys go see a
Speaker 1: bunch of romantic comedies where the expectation of what a
Speaker 1: guy should be is never gonna be achieved by anyone
Speaker 1: who wasn't reading lines from a script. And so all
Speaker 1: these and now that's their ex girl right now, right,
Speaker 1: so they have a reason to hate me. And then
Speaker 1: your girl said Summer Catch, which every year, by the way,
Speaker 1: I love that movie. That movie well you saw in
Speaker 1: the right vein then, but the Major League Baseball Network
Speaker 1: plays it every year and on social media, like one
Speaker 1: out of every ten messages that will come to me
Speaker 1: be some guy like what is this romantic comedy doing
Speaker 1: on the mL beach. I'm like, it's not a documentary, dude,
Speaker 1: Like you know who's in it? Chill out. By the way,
Speaker 1: So I was a hockey player. I was a hockey player.
Speaker 1: I so, I I don't know why I loved I
Speaker 1: just loved Summer Catch. I loved it. It had a
Speaker 1: blue collar field to it, And I think hockey is
Speaker 1: a very blue collar sport. Um as far as like
Speaker 1: all the athletes go outside of combat sports like hockey
Speaker 1: guys are the toughest guys. I don't see any other
Speaker 1: athletes talking trash ever about their contracts and and what
Speaker 1: guaranteed money and what isn't, but they'll call out other
Speaker 1: sports and athletes. I've met a lot of hockey guys
Speaker 1: and outside of combat sports like those are the toughest
Speaker 1: kind of blue color. And there was a blue collar
Speaker 1: in this to it because it was that amateur league
Speaker 1: Cape cod League. It was guys trying to chase their
Speaker 1: dream getting getting into the pros. And I got to
Speaker 1: pitch to Ken Griffey Jr. Man, you got to hit
Speaker 1: bombs off. Did you grow up playing baseball? Um? Do
Speaker 1: you have a baseball background? I grew up playing little
Speaker 1: league ball. And then my godfather is Bob Wall, And
Speaker 1: Bob Wall was the guy that trained Bruce Lee when
Speaker 1: Bruce came to America and vice versa. And his best
Speaker 1: friend was Chuck Norris and Geane Liddell or Gene LaBelle
Speaker 1: and uh Pat Johnson, the guy with the mustache and
Speaker 1: the original karate kid. That's like the referees like alright, Laurel,
Speaker 1: So like that was a dude of taught me how
Speaker 1: a wheel kick. Come on. Those were the guys that
Speaker 1: that I kind of grew up on and and those
Speaker 1: are the dudes that raised me. And they all had
Speaker 1: daughters pretty much except Chuck. They grabbed on it. My
Speaker 1: dad armed a lot of My dad was a stand
Speaker 1: up comic in the seventies and and he died tragically
Speaker 1: and but charmed a lot of very smart men and women,
Speaker 1: and all those people kind of said, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take care of you and not let and not let
Speaker 1: bad stuff happen to you. So they all kind of
Speaker 1: took care of me in uh in that regards so right.
Speaker 1: But Bob wall Man, I'm telling if you don't know
Speaker 1: who he is, watching Bruce Lee movie, he's got a scar.
Speaker 1: He's the guy with the scar down his eye. Bruce
Speaker 1: w a L L bro as simple as a pimple.
Speaker 1: That's right, just a study still alive. He lives right
Speaker 1: down the road in Tarzanic. Is still beat my ass. Oh,
Speaker 1: then guy handed me my first black betties old as hell,
Speaker 1: and I He'll still with my look at him, look
Speaker 1: at look at that stuff. Damn yeah, he looks so
Speaker 1: hold on that that scars real. I was like, if
Speaker 1: that's that, dude, I mean that he looks like I've
Speaker 1: seen hockey players that are beat up, but that looks
Speaker 1: beat He's got those man scars. Only a man can
Speaker 1: rock that scar or like an old Western I got.
Speaker 1: I got a question for you, Um, do you uh
Speaker 1: do you still get like fan girls like my wife
Speaker 1: just did in that video? Do you get that quite often?
Speaker 1: You're married, now you have two kids, but like, do
Speaker 1: people still see you not like when I was younger?
Speaker 1: Like when I was younger, girls would run up and
Speaker 1: steal whatever I was eating and just bounce like a
Speaker 1: like a green Beret in a night getting a pow
Speaker 1: and just ghosted, And I'm like, what where they go?
Speaker 1: What was that? But now you know it's people are chill, man.
Speaker 1: It's mostly their kids tripping out that I don't look
Speaker 1: like Fred from Scooby Dude, or kids tripping out that
Speaker 1: I that my voice sounds a lot like this Jedi
Speaker 1: from a Star Wars cartoon and they find out it is,
Speaker 1: and they're like, WHOA, that's cool. You know, I get
Speaker 1: a lot of can you tell my kid, may the
Speaker 1: Force be with you? Yeah? Man, So that's more now,
Speaker 1: But when I was younger, yeah, people would trip out
Speaker 1: of it. What about hate from dudes? And he hate
Speaker 1: from dudes always bro, Yeah, since I mean, some guys
Speaker 1: are actually funny about it. They're like, man, I hated
Speaker 1: you so much in the nineties and then they're right,
Speaker 1: but you're actually pretty cool. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: take myself too seriously. I have a podcast with Josh
Speaker 1: Wolfe called Friends and the Wolf and we're very open
Speaker 1: and honest about being Dad's this business, our histories. He's
Speaker 1: a stand up comic and has been banging it out
Speaker 1: for years, so we both kind of look at the
Speaker 1: business from from different angles and life from very different angles.
Speaker 1: And uh so I don't take the hate as hate,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know you and my like I said, I was raised
Speaker 1: by weird old school guys where if you didn't earn
Speaker 1: my respect, then your opinion really didn't mean much. And
Speaker 1: that's a hardcore way to live. But that's how we
Speaker 1: were raised. So there was normal to us, right. So
Speaker 1: I like social media, I like when people get mad.
Speaker 1: Some people get mad at me over like Star Wars stuff.
Speaker 1: Some people get mad because they just didn't like my movies, right,
Speaker 1: and they'll just they'll just reach out and be like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you sucked in whatever, and down to you. I'm like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I didn't even see that movie. Like I just got
Speaker 1: the check and like I did the premiere and then
Speaker 1: I went to Jerry's bowling Alley. I didn't even stay
Speaker 1: for the movie. If you didn't like it, that's on you, man.
Speaker 1: I can't help out you interpret information. Do you ever
Speaker 1: do you ever get like, do you ever get hate mail? Obviously,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you get like girls throwing themselves at you, buddy,
Speaker 1: But what about hate mail? More like dudes like hating
Speaker 1: on you. Occasionally, there's always a hater out there somewhere,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, girl through their stuff at
Speaker 1: you something. Yeah, yeah, there's always something weird. You know,
Speaker 1: There's always gonna be one, you know, give us a story,
Speaker 1: give us a story. You have a story, Well, it
Speaker 1: could be anything. It could be like, you know, you
Speaker 1: got a family member dying and everybody's reaching out saying,
Speaker 1: you know, feel bad for you. And there's always one dude,
Speaker 1: he's out there. It's like, yo, man, should have happened sooner,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That one dude, I've got
Speaker 1: crist right field heat for no reason. You're like, what exactly?
Speaker 1: There's always gonna be one and and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: whether whether that's karma or what, you know, I gotta
Speaker 1: take it. You gotta take the bad with the good,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And uh, there's been enough,
Speaker 1: there's been enough blessings with the success that I'll take
Speaker 1: some of the burdens here and there. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not that big. There's no perfect life. My mom used
Speaker 1: to say, people are gonna find a reason to hate
Speaker 1: you for something, So just like what you like and
Speaker 1: don't don't worry about that. I had a guy though
Speaker 1: in the jiu jitsu mats who's straight up said like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: do you want to roll? And I was looking at him.
Speaker 1: I was like yeah, but it was like he was
Speaker 1: and he was gassed up to yeah. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say his dave because he plays football. Um, but we
Speaker 1: sit down and before we even go, we're just kind
Speaker 1: of like shaking hands and he goes, man, I really
Speaker 1: hated you back in the day man, I was just
Speaker 1: like and that, right, but he was he was a
Speaker 1: white belt. He was there to like learn techniques that
Speaker 1: he could apply in the NFL. And I was already
Speaker 1: a blue belt with a couple one or two stripes
Speaker 1: back then, and so I wasn't that worried. But his
Speaker 1: arms were as big as my waist, Like he was huge, right,
Speaker 1: And so the guy who ranto place was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you need to show him leverage and how to apply that.
Speaker 1: So we're rolling and for the first minute, I'm just
Speaker 1: laying there lazy, and I'm just hoping his big muscles
Speaker 1: get tired. And so I'm sitting there, sitting there. He's
Speaker 1: trying to tap me out, but he doesn't really know
Speaker 1: any submissions. He's just trying to muscle everything. And I
Speaker 1: shrimp out every time he leaves an opening or fill
Speaker 1: the space when he leaves it with an arm that
Speaker 1: I can kind of hook over a bicep something like that.
Speaker 1: But he's a monster, Like anywhere he wants to put me,
Speaker 1: he can put me. Eventually, he starts to get a
Speaker 1: little tired and I shrimp out and I take his
Speaker 1: back and I choke him out, and he tapped he taps.
Speaker 1: He taps the mat like a pro wrestler, like not
Speaker 1: the jiu jitsu guy like you're supposed to because he's
Speaker 1: never done it. And I only squeezed a little bit right,
Speaker 1: and he he tapped early, so we doubt he's mad. Dude.
Speaker 1: He just goes in the corner and he's fumeing just
Speaker 1: and he's gassed out too. He's breathing hard just like that.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, the first day is the
Speaker 1: worst day of They did this to me. And I
Speaker 1: told him this, like this philosophy that Henner Gracie taught
Speaker 1: to me and uh. And the first day I tried
Speaker 1: to roll with him and muscle up and I said
Speaker 1: how much do you bench press? And he goes brought
Speaker 1: a bench press four pounds and I was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I go how much does your belt wig? And he
Speaker 1: goes out, what like a pound? I go, yeah, bench
Speaker 1: pressed up for me. And he grabs his belt and
Speaker 1: he's like, what do you mean? I was like, just
Speaker 1: bench press up, bench press it up. He goes, I
Speaker 1: can't go, well, why he goes it's connected to me?
Speaker 1: And then I kind of just looked at him and
Speaker 1: waited and He's like, Oh, don't even do that. I'm
Speaker 1: just telling you what I was told. I'm connected to
Speaker 1: you and you can't get me off. And martial arts
Speaker 1: always kind of helped me be humble and and and
Speaker 1: accept kind of everything coming at you because martial arts
Speaker 1: always gave you options, and it taught you patients, and
Speaker 1: it taught you discipline, and so that was sort of
Speaker 1: my approach. That's my approach to everything, to be honest, Like,
Speaker 1: both my kids are involved in it. I still trained
Speaker 1: today as much as my year old body will let me.
Speaker 1: I already I need another surgery already. It's ridiculous. But
Speaker 1: uh but yeah, man, So I really try to bring
Speaker 1: that into to my family life. My wife was a
Speaker 1: badass taekwondo girl kicking vampires butts on Buffy back in
Speaker 1: the day, so she respects the R two. And I
Speaker 1: was just blessed to be here in southern California where
Speaker 1: in the eighties the karate kid came out, and every
Speaker 1: martial artist in the world that wanted to make money
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm moving there, and they did, and
Speaker 1: we got spoiled because of it, you know. But there's
Speaker 1: it's hard to find a bad school out here. So
Speaker 1: did you take that with you? Did you? Did you
Speaker 1: tell the football player when you were done that he
Speaker 1: just got by a teen idol? No? I I did
Speaker 1: say this. We were in the locker room later and
Speaker 1: there were two other football players and they're this big,
Speaker 1: huge black dude is big, huge white dude was like
Speaker 1: six eight and uh, he wasn't even pro yet. He
Speaker 1: was college getting ready to go. I didn't even know.
Speaker 1: I was like, what, bro, Like, you look like you're
Speaker 1: about to retire your humus. But he said something like
Speaker 1: if this was a you know, but if this was
Speaker 1: a fight, you know, he'd have got knocked out. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, but you have to tell everyone you
Speaker 1: got tapped out by the dude from Scooby Doo and
Speaker 1: his friends were like oh. I was like looking at him, like,
Speaker 1: you gotta take that with you, bro. It's such a
Speaker 1: beautiful art format. It's such a My mom is ah,
Speaker 1: my mom took up karate I think when she was
Speaker 1: like in her fifties. Um, and she's my mom's a
Speaker 1: third degree black belt. Hell yeah, what did she train? Uh? What?
Speaker 1: I want to say? What? Okay? So she's going up
Speaker 1: with obscure martial arts. I don't know exactly the there's
Speaker 1: so many different modalities in it. But um, she tried
Speaker 1: out for the women's Canadian national team when she was
Speaker 1: and she in. She placed fifth and the two girls
Speaker 1: that made the national team were so Yeah, my mom
Speaker 1: is a badass. So we mess around in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: I try and choke her out in the kitchen a mom.
Speaker 1: Mom is so slippery. That's moms and single mothers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Man. My mom had to She had
Speaker 1: to learn how to fight just to hang with with
Speaker 1: me because it was just her and me in the house.
Speaker 1: So she she had to hold mits when I was
Speaker 1: doing moti, you have to hold the leg. That's why
Speaker 1: she drank. That's awesome, dude. Well, I got a question
Speaker 1: for you guys because it's the new year. It's the
Speaker 1: new year. I want to roll into this. What is
Speaker 1: what is something that you guys are most excited about
Speaker 1: in the new year individually? Something that really weird? Man,
Speaker 1: I want to hear weird that the listeners weren't weird. Alright,
Speaker 1: this is I hope it connects to people I like,
Speaker 1: I like helping out kids. I'll start it with that, alright. Um,
Speaker 1: I started a game channel where we play a lot
Speaker 1: of board games, tabletop games, rpg like Dungeons and Dragons
Speaker 1: and stuff, because I love video games. But board games
Speaker 1: always had accountability because you if you did something, your
Speaker 1: friend was right there. If you stole money and monopoly
Speaker 1: and they caught you like that, rap always always cheated.
Speaker 1: I would I cheat every time. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: played a game straight in my life whatever, but that
Speaker 1: accountability always made it more real, right. So I started
Speaker 1: this channel and we had a lot of success on
Speaker 1: Twitch and YouTube playing RPGs like Dungeons and Dragons. But
Speaker 1: this one happened to me in the Star Wars world,
Speaker 1: and I found this group of kids in Santa Monica
Speaker 1: that are all home schooled kids, and this mom to
Speaker 1: sort of get them to interact with each other because
Speaker 1: they don't get that opportunity at school, she created this
Speaker 1: like Dungeons and Dragons League for kids. But the game
Speaker 1: master or dungeon master has a major, has a master's degree,
Speaker 1: and his street So instead of playing Dungeons and Dragons
Speaker 1: with trolls and elves and humans, he puts them in
Speaker 1: real moments in history and then applies the rules of
Speaker 1: d and d so he took him into the Boston
Speaker 1: tea party. Yeah, and they got to be a part
Speaker 1: of that. We're gonna take him to the Alamo and
Speaker 1: maybe we hold it this time and all these great
Speaker 1: moments in history that we can redo. So we're getting
Speaker 1: ready to cast it and put it together and shoot it.
Speaker 1: And I really want to showcase that for family it's
Speaker 1: gonna be family friendly content. We have stuff that's not
Speaker 1: family friendly where we're all grown ups cussing at each
Speaker 1: other over a dumb game, but it's awesome does But
Speaker 1: this one is gonna be way family friendly. I've seen
Speaker 1: these kids play games, this one group, these four girls,
Speaker 1: they're they're all postpubescent and the boys in the middle
Speaker 1: of puberty, and they just run this dude. I mean
Speaker 1: they run him ragged, like he knows what marriages like
Speaker 1: five times over and he's and he's twelve, and he's twelve.
Speaker 1: The amount of heat and nagging that he takes before, during,
Speaker 1: and after every decision he makes is like Al Bundy.
Speaker 1: It would make out Bundy Wheat. This kid isn't He's
Speaker 1: a legend. If he ever gets married, it's gonna last forever.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he won't. But God, this kid, Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, you've ever been you've never been a friends
Speaker 1: with somebody. So you had a twelve year old dude
Speaker 1: who knows what being married five times and sailing is
Speaker 1: like this legend. I'm not gonna say his name as
Speaker 1: a kid, but he's a legend. What's what's something real quick?
Speaker 1: We gotta go to break here quickly? What's something that's
Speaker 1: got you really excited in the new year? For me?
Speaker 1: Just cutting a record? Um, I'm about finally pretty much
Speaker 1: done writing it. So now this year will be the
Speaker 1: record making process and hopefully that'll be done sooner than later.
Speaker 1: Can you tease us anything about that record? No way? Well?
Speaker 1: How long? Like how long was the writing process? For man?
Speaker 1: The writing process is always my whole life, you know,
Speaker 1: And so, um, it's been a it's been a few
Speaker 1: years now, so I'm already three years off my last
Speaker 1: record cycle. Um. But I'm never in a hurry, which
Speaker 1: is a big problem in some ways. I just rather
Speaker 1: when I'm done, haven't actually be done, then feel like,
Speaker 1: oh I shouldn't put it out. I should have finished
Speaker 1: that tune and I should have finished that bridge, should
Speaker 1: have written a better intro to yourself. Yeah, man to
Speaker 1: do all the time. It's a lot harder man show
Speaker 1: business right, and business is the bigger word exactly. So
Speaker 1: that's a tough appreciate that I heard chapters on the radio.
Speaker 1: Really thank you for that. I took a picture and
Speaker 1: send it to did you get my we thank you
Speaker 1: for that. I think millennials do, or they take a
Speaker 1: picture of the you know, the radio and then they
Speaker 1: be it felt good, fel it felt good getting that
Speaker 1: from you. And it's a you know, the record I'm
Speaker 1: making is further you know, that direction, further towards the
Speaker 1: country record type of thing. But but even even further
Speaker 1: further more like a Bob Seeger meets uh Tom Petty
Speaker 1: meets to John Mellencamp kind of record. So really really
Speaker 1: like a nineteen seventies songwriter rock record, which is essentially
Speaker 1: what's really country music? Now, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's head in that more that direction. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: say our big announcement. Now. I was going to wait
Speaker 1: till the I was that that would be what we
Speaker 1: call an immaculate conception. What is this big? I haven't
Speaker 1: been like doing that lately. What's going on that quiet.
Speaker 1: So well, I'll tell you all that stuff later. But
Speaker 1: so on January is the Podcast Award, of which we
Speaker 1: are not nominated for. One yes announcement. Wow, I can't
Speaker 1: believe that Brooks will be on stage age with Rick,
Speaker 1: Ryan and Dmitri introducing a performance wonderful boy. Further to that, secretly,
Speaker 1: I've also been learning all his songs and dance moves
Speaker 1: and all that in case he invites me out on stage.
Speaker 1: I've been learning how to play hockey and the roller
Speaker 1: blades are gonna perform on skates. Yeah, you get to
Speaker 1: push me down the stairs. That's right. And on that note,
Speaker 1: take a break because we've got big stuff. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got some big stuff coming. We asked, We asked our
Speaker 1: listeners what were some of the things that you wanted
Speaker 1: us to address the most in so we have a
Speaker 1: list of five. We have a big list. But uh,
Speaker 1: some of our main topics are anxiety, money management, work,
Speaker 1: life balance, stress, and uh, diet and so we're going
Speaker 1: to get into some of this after this break. I'm
Speaker 1: a little bit disappointed because I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: just me, but I always thought Tony was going to
Speaker 1: be a lot more futuristic than it turned out to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hollywood sold you a false bill of goods on that crap.
Speaker 1: Ye're flying cars and a Barbara, but that was Jetson's
Speaker 1: is a lie. I'm disappointed. You don't you don't think
Speaker 1: you deserve a robot Rosie that cooks and talk smack
Speaker 1: to you. At the same time, she was like the
Speaker 1: maid from the Jefferson's but with rust and we don't
Speaker 1: even get that instant food. I want my Christmas dinner,
Speaker 1: Christmas dinner, none of that. What a major letdown. We
Speaker 1: got as far as ramen soup. That's as quick as
Speaker 1: it got. These two. I saw Dolorian yesterday. I passed
Speaker 1: one and I was like, oh my god. I was like,
Speaker 1: what if they's got the flux capacitor and that side.
Speaker 1: Here's here's the morality test right here. If you get
Speaker 1: the Sports Almanac and you have a chance to go
Speaker 1: back in time, you do you become No, it's not who. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I know what your answer is. It's not who.
Speaker 1: It's do you use it for yourself or do you
Speaker 1: not want to alter? Or do you stay? Do you stay?
Speaker 1: Do you become bis? Come on, yeah, you're you're rolling
Speaker 1: in that path would definitely, that's a brilliant movie. Got
Speaker 1: to I'd literally be like, I bet Kirk Gibson's gonna
Speaker 1: hit a home run right here of special million dollars.
Speaker 1: Have you never seen Back to the future too? I
Speaker 1: have a long time ago, but that's I can't remember
Speaker 1: that would not would you wouldn't know because Karma and
Speaker 1: I do enough bad stuff that the karma is already.
Speaker 1: This is This is a great segue because our first
Speaker 1: guest on this show is a money manager. I don't
Speaker 1: even know how you say money manager, expert, money experts.
Speaker 1: So we have Nicole she rich? Is she rich? If
Speaker 1: she's not rich, I'm not taking any advice we have.
Speaker 1: We have Nicole lapping on with us. Nicole, are you there? Well,
Speaker 1: I'm a rich bitch alright, Uh, Nicole, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: jumping on with us. UM. A lot of our listeners
Speaker 1: have said the number one issue they want to address
Speaker 1: in is money management. They want to learn how to
Speaker 1: uh invest money, save money, money, or manage their money
Speaker 1: so that they're not so much living paycheck to paychecker
Speaker 1: and incurring huge debts. UM, could you give our community
Speaker 1: just your first the low level, the low hanging fruit
Speaker 1: on how to better manage their money in the new year.
Speaker 1: You know is that a man is not a financial plan,
Speaker 1: period full stop. Wait, she's the other way you can
Speaker 1: get it together. It's not that complicated. I know that
Speaker 1: a lot of money stuff sounds jargon E and I
Speaker 1: think that money is a language like anything else. We
Speaker 1: just don't have a rosetta stone for it growing up,
Speaker 1: Like we learn a lot of vs stuff growing up
Speaker 1: in school will never use again, like yeah, or the
Speaker 1: Pythagoran zurum, like I have no idea why we need
Speaker 1: to know that, but we don't learn how to do
Speaker 1: a budget or taxes or business plans. So once you
Speaker 1: can speak the language, then I think you can steel empowered.
Speaker 1: And if you start off by thinking of a spending
Speaker 1: plan instead of a budget, like just the way you
Speaker 1: frame it can help a lot. You come from a
Speaker 1: place of aspiration versus deprevation, So in the same way
Speaker 1: as you would think of an eating plan instead of
Speaker 1: a crash giant, a spending point is something that sustainable
Speaker 1: and allows these small indulgences. So I suggest breaking down
Speaker 1: your monthly spending plans spending percent going to the essentials,
Speaker 1: so everything you need to live on every single day,
Speaker 1: but through the transportation or whatever, going to the end game,
Speaker 1: so your future self. You're investing, you're saving all that
Speaker 1: good stuff, and then fifteen percent going to the extras.
Speaker 1: So the latte by the way, that there's three ees,
Speaker 1: I love you some alliteration of I like the only
Speaker 1: financial person who will tell you to buy your morning latte.
Speaker 1: You have to. You have to treat yourself otherwise, just
Speaker 1: like in a regular diet, you'll end up bitching later on. Yeah, um, nicole.
Speaker 1: The baby boomers kind of destroyed Western civilization with instead
Speaker 1: of living to be happy, it was about attaining as
Speaker 1: much crap as you could get. And they've been blamed
Speaker 1: about this for years, but we've sort of taken that
Speaker 1: to a new level. What are the types of habits
Speaker 1: or how do you break bad habits of trying to
Speaker 1: acquire so much stuff at a young age and putting
Speaker 1: yourself in that kind of debt. How what are the
Speaker 1: ways you would use to break those habits? Totally amen,
Speaker 1: I mean, debt is the only four letter word I
Speaker 1: don't like, by the way, and I think when you're
Speaker 1: tackling your debt, you really need to prioritize to pulverize,
Speaker 1: I say, um, because not all debt is created equal,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's some good staffs, I guess, avocados
Speaker 1: compared to French fries. There's some good debt like student loans,
Speaker 1: you know, compared to credit card debt. So if you're
Speaker 1: tackling your debt, you don't want to just indiscriminately pay
Speaker 1: it off. You want to look at the highest integrate
Speaker 1: first and so typically that's your credit card, So pay
Speaker 1: off all of that first. And then if you have
Speaker 1: a car loan, which you shouldn't, but if you do,
Speaker 1: you don't want to keep paying on a depreciating asset,
Speaker 1: so you pay that off second. And then if you
Speaker 1: have a mortgage, then you would pay that off, and
Speaker 1: then finally your student loans. Because they can take away
Speaker 1: your house, they can take away your car, but they
Speaker 1: can't take away your brain. And I think just generally
Speaker 1: not acquiring stuff like that is a change in mindset.
Speaker 1: What I would say to you people who just continue
Speaker 1: to buy things to try and make them happy, which
Speaker 1: as we know, never really seuse fruition is coming up
Speaker 1: with what your goals actually are. And you know, when
Speaker 1: people say I just want a million dollars. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do you want to do with that million dollars?
Speaker 1: Maybe you want more than a million dollars, maybe need
Speaker 1: less than a million dollars. I have no idea. It's
Speaker 1: first figuring out the life you want to live, and
Speaker 1: then reverse engineer to figure out how to get some
Speaker 1: money to live the life you want. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about when people buy a new car. I don't
Speaker 1: feel great about it. A little bit of me cries
Speaker 1: on the inside. Um, I think that more young people
Speaker 1: get into leases. Do you guys have leases? Or I
Speaker 1: own two cars? That's probably real? Yeah, totally. Like the
Speaker 1: biggest appreciation period is in the first four years. So
Speaker 1: if you buy a car after four years, like it's
Speaker 1: four years old, then that's the sweet spot and then
Speaker 1: you can run that thing into the ground. Um. But
Speaker 1: at least it was like the biggest scam in the
Speaker 1: history of the world. So what do you recommend people
Speaker 1: do with the car as far as cars go? Exactly,
Speaker 1: buy a four year old car, lease a four year
Speaker 1: old car, by four year old car, by a four
Speaker 1: year old car buying and run the gepies into the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Buffett has I think like some old lopes telling you
Speaker 1: I bought a two thousand eleven Toyota four Runner. It's
Speaker 1: what I loved every day. I bought it used. I've
Speaker 1: got over a hundred twelve thousand miles on it now
Speaker 1: like old muscle cars more. Yeah, and those don't they
Speaker 1: don't get driven on the four oh five Like that's
Speaker 1: a car. So I'm with that. But yeah, I bought
Speaker 1: a used car. It already had miles on, it was tamer,
Speaker 1: and it still runs like a dream. So you gotta
Speaker 1: do that? What about rent or own your home? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good question, man, I just interrupt really quick before we
Speaker 1: move on. What would be the one major expense to
Speaker 1: get hip on first? Would it be get a used
Speaker 1: car rather than a new car? Would that be like
Speaker 1: your first advice? What would be like the one first move?
Speaker 1: Major life moves? First first first major life move is
Speaker 1: like stepping away from all of this stuff and figuring
Speaker 1: out your credit score, because your credit score is like
Speaker 1: your financial report card, um and you that's actually gonna
Speaker 1: make the most difference on whether you get a house
Speaker 1: or car. Like, your interest rates are not created equal.
Speaker 1: I know you guys all sit around and share your
Speaker 1: interest rates on your credit cards. Man, yeah, right before
Speaker 1: you call in, we had an interest rate specialists. That's true.
Speaker 1: He's not lying. That's all we do around here. So
Speaker 1: much promance with interest rates. No, I think you know,
Speaker 1: we don't realize that your interest to race on everything
Speaker 1: you borrow money for is connected to your credit score.
Speaker 1: So if you can increase that and get that in order,
Speaker 1: then you're going to be saying a lot of money
Speaker 1: and interest in the long run. So that's the very
Speaker 1: number one first thing. And then as far as the
Speaker 1: house buying versus renting, I think there's a huge misconception
Speaker 1: and I talked about this and you bunk get a
Speaker 1: lot enriched fish where a house is an investment, like
Speaker 1: a house is not an investment. Houses that LEDs to live.
Speaker 1: And you know, unless you're some you know, flipper person
Speaker 1: on some TV show like this is not a game
Speaker 1: to make money. You know, when people say my grandma
Speaker 1: bought a house for twenty five grand and now it's
Speaker 1: worth two hundred and fifty grand or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: what people forget is that that thing inflation happened. And
Speaker 1: so when Granama bought that house, you know, movie tickets
Speaker 1: were also five sets and so, and you never get
Speaker 1: the money back what you know that you put into
Speaker 1: the house. If something goes wrong, look in the mirror,
Speaker 1: you're the landlord. And so I think when you're building
Speaker 1: your career, especially, I like to put the sexty back
Speaker 1: into renting because you're missing out on your opportunity cost Otherwise,
Speaker 1: a lot of young people are housed poor, Like they
Speaker 1: save up a hundred grand or whatever by um, buy
Speaker 1: a house and then can't do anything else, and that
Speaker 1: is no life to live. In my opinion, I agree
Speaker 1: with that, But there's also the flip side of that
Speaker 1: to to look at the other side is that having
Speaker 1: your own home brings an immense sense of calm and
Speaker 1: peace um, which is almost invaluable to some people. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to discourage everybody from not buying a home.
Speaker 1: I would just I would encourage you to look at
Speaker 1: what the priorities are in your life. But I completely
Speaker 1: get what you say. You could have that hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: You could invest that hundred thousand. It could make you
Speaker 1: more money while you rent. You could do other things.
Speaker 1: You could travel, you could live a different style of
Speaker 1: life if that's what you want. What is the dumbest
Speaker 1: mistake women make because I can ask that the guys can't.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for the housing thing, I'll just know really quickly.
Speaker 1: The difference, um is like thinking of your house is
Speaker 1: an investment. I'm all about a house being you're staying
Speaker 1: short and your calm. But just frame it exactly that way.
Speaker 1: I don't think like you're going to be making a
Speaker 1: ton of money in the long run. That's not the
Speaker 1: that's not the reason, you know. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: mistake that we make is we try to go into
Speaker 1: the new year cutting stuff out cold turkey, so you know,
Speaker 1: no morning latte or do not find any fun stuff
Speaker 1: saying oh like living you know in austerity, and we
Speaker 1: all know that that doesn't last. So a lot of
Speaker 1: women will come to me and say, you'll be so
Speaker 1: proud of me I cut out the morning latte um,
Speaker 1: or you know, I'm not going out, and then come
Speaker 1: April May they're like, yeah, I bought a Gucci purse
Speaker 1: because it was so good bye. I'm like, hello, captain obvious,
Speaker 1: if you just bought a latte and give yourself small indulgences,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't binge on that. Can I ask you some
Speaker 1: more stuff. Yeah, if you buy a property, do you
Speaker 1: ever really own the property? Being that you gotta pay
Speaker 1: property texts, you never get philosophical. That's what Gavin does
Speaker 1: on this show. I like it. Here's another one. You
Speaker 1: want to answer that one? That's like, if you buy
Speaker 1: a townhouse, do you really own it? Because you only
Speaker 1: own up to the paint. You don't own the roof.
Speaker 1: And it's not even a town it's a house. It's
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. And here's another. Are you gonna
Speaker 1: answer that? Or what are we gonna wait all day? Well,
Speaker 1: by the way, there's also in you know, um like
Speaker 1: tom Springs Areas, the Indian Land. You actually don't own
Speaker 1: that land. You don't own the land in Mexico to
Speaker 1: you can do like a year lease is basically like
Speaker 1: the law they'll give you and then like yeah, and
Speaker 1: we take that crap back no better. How much you've
Speaker 1: invested in it. That's incredible. Let me ask you something, Nicole.
Speaker 1: Let's say I'm eighteen years old. It was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, but let's say I'm eighteen years old and
Speaker 1: my mom just said it's time for you to get
Speaker 1: out and do your thing, which she said, which I
Speaker 1: respect I have a job that allows me rent at
Speaker 1: my apartment. What are the choices I need to start making?
Speaker 1: Right then, I'm eighteen, I'm on my own. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be a man. I have no idea how to
Speaker 1: be a man. How do I make a good decision
Speaker 1: with my money? I think that starting young with dusking
Speaker 1: is a great way to go because, of course, so
Speaker 1: longer you keep your money in the market, over time,
Speaker 1: you're going to make ten percent. And that's not saying
Speaker 1: that you're watching the market every single day, because I
Speaker 1: think that's bad news. There's like you need a value
Speaker 1: to look at the market, um, But over time in
Speaker 1: solution is throwing out about three pours. So basic masks
Speaker 1: like I'm happy we learned this stuff is not a
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff. But you know, ten minus three
Speaker 1: is seven percent, so you're gonna need seven percent just
Speaker 1: to buy the same stuff later on um that you
Speaker 1: are buying today. And so I would start investing early
Speaker 1: on with basics stuff like nothing's too exotic. Although the
Speaker 1: rule of them is to take your age and put
Speaker 1: that allocation in bonds um and then put the rest
Speaker 1: in stock. So if you're eighteen, I put twenty percent
Speaker 1: in bond, which is a safer investment, and then the
Speaker 1: rest of the eight percent going into stocks, which is
Speaker 1: a more aggressive investment, and ETFs mutual funds. It's just
Speaker 1: that's a big basket, that's all diverse about it, and
Speaker 1: you don't really need to think about it. I think
Speaker 1: it's the way to go and those are easy you
Speaker 1: can you can do that on them at your bank
Speaker 1: or a bunch of different online. One more question on
Speaker 1: that on that UH category, has there ever been a
Speaker 1: add time to get in the market historically speaking, where
Speaker 1: so if you got in young before, you're still lost.
Speaker 1: Now there's i've, I was there a time I'VE. Last
Speaker 1: year I studied this a lot. I read a lot
Speaker 1: of financial books because I was out of hockey, retired
Speaker 1: from hockey, The biggest earning years of my life were
Speaker 1: probably behind me, and I wanted to know that the
Speaker 1: money that I had earned could could carry me financially
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And so I studied a
Speaker 1: lot of this and Amy, I'd actually like to do
Speaker 1: like a full financial episode to talk about the stuff,
Speaker 1: the difference between a fiduciary and a broker for investments,
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. It's better to be for it.
Speaker 1: I mean, but while he was asking that, but you know, no,
Speaker 1: it's better to be it's better in the market in
Speaker 1: the market period. If you there's some go nical, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's better to be in the market period. But you know,
Speaker 1: you're never gonna be able to tell when you're in
Speaker 1: the low end, right, So the only truisms in Wall
Speaker 1: three and maybe in life is by low zel high
Speaker 1: and it's better to be low expectations, and so you're
Speaker 1: never going to be able to know right when that
Speaker 1: when stuff is on sale is ideally you would buy
Speaker 1: when you know, during the depression when when stocks neuron
Speaker 1: sale essentially um. So sometimes when you're going into the market,
Speaker 1: you know, for easy maths, let's say you have twelve
Speaker 1: brand and you want to invest it and take it
Speaker 1: over a year and put a thousand dollars every single month,
Speaker 1: and so you're sort of hedging for the fluctuations in
Speaker 1: the market. Interesting, over the last twenty years, the snpis
Speaker 1: averaged eight percent a year. Correct, So it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what time really you get in the market. If you're
Speaker 1: in the market for the long term play, just get
Speaker 1: in the market and there's There's two things to keep
Speaker 1: in mind there for young people, because the philosophies that
Speaker 1: we're talking about right here are the two things that
Speaker 1: eighteen year old guys are really horrible at, And the
Speaker 1: first one is patients and the second one is thinking
Speaker 1: long term. Right, Like, it's just unless you had strict
Speaker 1: ass parents, it just wasn't a scenario. So when you're
Speaker 1: when you're talking to young kids and they are kids,
Speaker 1: and I know how dumb I was at eighteen. If
Speaker 1: people weren't looking out for me, I would have been
Speaker 1: a wreck. So you know, a simple thing is like
Speaker 1: you don't have to just think stocks like bonds are
Speaker 1: a different, separate thing. I invest in bonds if you
Speaker 1: need that kind of an endorsement. Um. There's there's cities
Speaker 1: that have bonds, like just locally here in California that
Speaker 1: do great dividends in Palm Desert or Carmel or places
Speaker 1: like that. But that's long term money that you guys
Speaker 1: can't touch. So if it's money you can't afford to invest,
Speaker 1: then maybe wait till you get that promotion at work
Speaker 1: or until you get that next job. But starting early
Speaker 1: and starting to develop habits and investing early isn't easy,
Speaker 1: but it's necessary. So you've got to do more patients
Speaker 1: than what the average eighteen year old does, and it
Speaker 1: takes practice. You're gonna screw up. I did a lot.
Speaker 1: That's where I was. I was lucky. One thing I'll
Speaker 1: say that I did right in my life when I
Speaker 1: had great advice when I was younger. Um as soon
Speaker 1: as I turned pro and I started making money, my
Speaker 1: financial advisor asked me, what is your biggest financial concern?
Speaker 1: And my answer was that I don't want to be
Speaker 1: an ex broke athlete when I'm sixty years old. I
Speaker 1: want to know that I can fish and golf and
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell I want the rest of my
Speaker 1: life and just retire. And so when I was nineteen,
Speaker 1: I put away three hundred thousand dollars. And I know
Speaker 1: that's probably different than maybe most of our listeners, but
Speaker 1: I put away three hundred thousand dollars that I won't
Speaker 1: touch until I pay a penalty on if I touch
Speaker 1: it before fifty nine and a half. And that money
Speaker 1: will sit there and compound interest it's invested, and it
Speaker 1: will compound and compound and compound, and hopefully it offers
Speaker 1: me freedom the rest of my the question for Nicole
Speaker 1: because I'm listening to all three of you guys talk
Speaker 1: about this as men, and that's what this show is,
Speaker 1: how men think. And I think, and I think Nicole
Speaker 1: will agree that women do not make this as not
Speaker 1: that they shouldn't. I think we're wrong, but women do
Speaker 1: not make this as much of a priority as you
Speaker 1: men do, just inherently by our nature. I would say
Speaker 1: that's right. In my relime, to break down a wall
Speaker 1: with a man is not a plant, right. So I
Speaker 1: think that's why Nicole is amazing as a woman doing
Speaker 1: what she does, because I'm pretty successful and I don't
Speaker 1: do any of all the things y'all are talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I do it because in my life, my life
Speaker 1: was shaped like that. I had prime earning years, I
Speaker 1: had potential earning years as an athlete. I had a
Speaker 1: shelf life, so I had to be aware that I
Speaker 1: need to be smart with my money. So that started young.
Speaker 1: Are women failing when it comes to their finances? I
Speaker 1: don't think we're failing. I've never met a woman who
Speaker 1: is not a strong woman, So I think that there
Speaker 1: is a desire to learn more about it, and I
Speaker 1: just don't think there are enough resources. That's why I
Speaker 1: of course do what I do. UM, but you know,
Speaker 1: going to this sort of like philosophy and visit better.
Speaker 1: I think if we're keeping it real, you know, women's
Speaker 1: currency is more looks and men's currency is more money.
Speaker 1: You can even feel that on the skating field, and
Speaker 1: that's that's biological. You know, guess what we're attracted to.
Speaker 1: And so I think that the desire is of course there.
Speaker 1: And I go back to the investing thing and just
Speaker 1: make like a quick footnote, UM that before you even
Speaker 1: start investing, make sure you have an emergency fund, because
Speaker 1: you can't go if you lose that job, that scenario
Speaker 1: that eteen year old you can't go to the grocery
Speaker 1: store with your four own k or your mortgage or whatever.
Speaker 1: So would you recommend yeah, I mean six months if
Speaker 1: you have a steady job. More about nine months if
Speaker 1: you have a precarious job. So if you're a real
Speaker 1: estate groper or you know, a model or whatever and
Speaker 1: you you're not making the same amount every single month,
Speaker 1: to make sure that that first, and you know, to
Speaker 1: your guys, the point of just leaving it there and
Speaker 1: not touching it, that's definitely the way to go, Like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have zero in your bank account and then
Speaker 1: three grands in you know, a municipal bond or a
Speaker 1: CD even or anything that's going to earn you something
Speaker 1: versus just sitting there. Well, I have one more question. Uh, college,
Speaker 1: it's very expensive. Convince me that it's worth it nowadays.
Speaker 1: Oh I don't think so, because I'm not going to
Speaker 1: convince you of Um. I think in my second book,
Speaker 1: Boss Bitch, I make the whole case against the n
Speaker 1: b A, and I break down the economics of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I went to Northwestern, Like, I paid off
Speaker 1: my student debt, But is that changing my career? No.
Speaker 1: Had I done it all over again, I wouldn't have baughn.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to start working. Um so UM. I
Speaker 1: think a big issue for folks who also have kids
Speaker 1: is that they're so concerned about for their kids college,
Speaker 1: which and and and they put that in front of
Speaker 1: their own retirement or their own investing, which is the
Speaker 1: worst idea because you have to put your oxygen mouths
Speaker 1: on first before helping others. If they don't say that
Speaker 1: on the plane before take off, that to waste time.
Speaker 1: It's totally true. You can't be of service to your
Speaker 1: kids or anyone else if you're crashing and burning yourself.
Speaker 1: And so by the time your kid goes to college,
Speaker 1: there's probably going to be you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: other methods to pay for it, and you're not going
Speaker 1: to be helpful if their college is paid for it.
Speaker 1: But like, you're living on cat food when you're retired,
Speaker 1: and you gotta live on their couch. And so I
Speaker 1: think that's a really important thing to know. There's a
Speaker 1: ton of vehicles, of course, to save for college. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm Vegas, okay. Um the one on the
Speaker 1: uh nicole uh. For our listeners listening that that want
Speaker 1: to get in touch with you, where can they find you?
Speaker 1: And also the book where can They get Make You creepy?
Speaker 1: Don't tell us where we can find you. Just give
Speaker 1: us for business inquiries. People reach out your Your book
Speaker 1: is a New York Best New York Times bestseller. It's
Speaker 1: called Rich. It's called Rich Bitch, a simple twelve step
Speaker 1: plan for getting your financial life together. Uh. Finally, and
Speaker 1: then you have Boss Bitch, which is a simple twelve
Speaker 1: step plan to take charge of your career. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then my new book becoming Superwoman is uh, guess from
Speaker 1: burnout to ballot super bitch over on the table? Were
Speaker 1: happy on the table, It's through And then I was like,
Speaker 1: the bitch thing is over where ultimate ultimate? Okay, but
Speaker 1: here's the thing right here right about? What's the guy
Speaker 1: version of this? Is it? Like rich dude, rich pro
Speaker 1: rich fasters? Like, do you guys want to get in
Speaker 1: on that be? What would the equivalent? But I think
Speaker 1: you should write with Gavin. I think that'd be Gavin.
Speaker 1: I think you should have some choice titles for you
Speaker 1: the dough Bros. Nicole, I want to thank you so much.
Speaker 1: We'd love to have you on AGAINDA to dive further
Speaker 1: into this, Uh everybody, yeah, everybody check out those three books. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Nicole Lapping dot com is where you can
Speaker 1: find her on the worldwide Web. Thanks Nicole Internet. Thanks
Speaker 1: than young people. Got to check that out. You guys
Speaker 1: gotta learn how to get your investments up early. Man.
Speaker 1: I hate trying to teach my friends that are in
Speaker 1: their mid thirties what to be doing with stocks because
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I don't know. I just know what
Speaker 1: I did and what kept me safe with the people
Speaker 1: looking out for me if you're in your thirties trying
Speaker 1: to figure out it's like learning to ride a bike
Speaker 1: pedaling uphill. This is a whole lot of you. One
Speaker 1: of my one of my best friends in the world,
Speaker 1: says Brooks. There's nothing like debt to make a man
Speaker 1: want to work. And I was like, oh no, brother,
Speaker 1: And I would caution to anybody listening, don't have the
Speaker 1: attitude that you could always work for money, that you
Speaker 1: can always I can always find a job to get money.
Speaker 1: Start saving now, Start being mindful and thoughtful with your money.
Speaker 1: Put it away so your money is working for you.
Speaker 1: We got to take a break and then we'll be
Speaker 1: right back with some more. Right after this, we are
Speaker 1: onto topic number two that the listeners want to hear
Speaker 1: about on areas they want to improve the quality of
Speaker 1: their life. In gav we've talked about this, we have,
Speaker 1: we have. You don't get a lot of it. I say,
Speaker 1: it's a weapon. We are talking about sleep. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a hard one. Why is it so hard? I think
Speaker 1: it's the probably the same kind of thing because when
Speaker 1: you're playing hockey, you are in different time zones all
Speaker 1: the time. Stuff like that, you know, traveling, travel, schedule.
Speaker 1: Same thing with me playing music. Uh, and if I
Speaker 1: don't have my tour bus, it's just just bananas, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. When you're hopping on flights and
Speaker 1: you're you're catching you know, twelve minutes of sleep in
Speaker 1: a in an uber or or car or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of erratic. Um. But fundamentally speaking,
Speaker 1: my my rhythm is late night. You know. Fundamentally speaking,
Speaker 1: I usually need typically if I'm going to get proper sleep,
Speaker 1: like a good eight hours, it won't I won't be
Speaker 1: able to fall asleep usually until the sun starts coming up,
Speaker 1: which is really weird. Freddy is gonna ask, you have
Speaker 1: two kids, how do you sleep? Man? Look, I'm you're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking to the two of the two of
Speaker 1: the three people in this group, doctor are some of
Speaker 1: the most unhealthy sleep habit habit apologizing. But I have
Speaker 1: two kids, I have a video game habit, and I'm
Speaker 1: an actor writer. So you know, first of all, I
Speaker 1: can't even go to sleep unless I'm listening to like
Speaker 1: Richard pryor stand up comedy special, and then when it's over,
Speaker 1: I wake up and have to put on a different
Speaker 1: one and if I don't do that, I'm just sitting
Speaker 1: there like this. So eight hours, oh sweet god, eight hours.
Speaker 1: I think I was probably like seventeen, eighteen years old
Speaker 1: and that was a good night, right there. Man, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got a gift for you, gentlemen, got a gift
Speaker 1: for you. Just giving gifts here today. So in studio
Speaker 1: with us, we have a clinical psychologist and both a
Speaker 1: diplomat of the American Board of Sleep Medicine and a
Speaker 1: fella of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine. He's also
Speaker 1: you'll see him up in that resumet. You'll also see
Speaker 1: him on the Doctor Oz show. We have doctor Mike
Speaker 1: Bruce with say it right, Bruce, Um, Mike gott asleep.
Speaker 1: I have said every podcast I've said that rest is
Speaker 1: a weapon. I was a professional athlete. Rest is a weapon.
Speaker 1: And to your point, Freddie, I try and get nine
Speaker 1: hours a night like that is. What's actually interesting about
Speaker 1: that is when you look at athletes in particular, athletes
Speaker 1: actually may actually require more sleep. There's some great data
Speaker 1: out of Stanford that showed that when you extended sleep,
Speaker 1: free throw percentages increased. And so when you start to
Speaker 1: look at specific tasks within the athletic field, depending upon
Speaker 1: the sport. It can actually you can see and it's
Speaker 1: significant improvement in overall. Y, you're you're a mess, right Like,
Speaker 1: that's just the bottom line is you're a mass the
Speaker 1: whole thing. I haven't gotten eight since seventeen. So also,
Speaker 1: to be fair, eight hours is a myth, guys, Okay,
Speaker 1: not everybody needs eight. It actually turns out to be
Speaker 1: genetically predetermined. I can look at your twenty three and
Speaker 1: me data or your ancestry dot com data. I can
Speaker 1: tell you exactly how much sleep you need. I can
Speaker 1: tell you the quality that that sleep is going to be.
Speaker 1: I can even help be predictive of potential sleep disorders
Speaker 1: that you can amy, Can we do this? Can we
Speaker 1: do this? Yeah? That's crazy. Can you give us an
Speaker 1: example of of of a specific gene type that that
Speaker 1: that meets us the sleeptally? So I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: one that actually applies to you. So there's something called
Speaker 1: the pe R three gene. If there's a if there's
Speaker 1: a slight variation there, it turns you into a night owl.
Speaker 1: I believe you said that you are a night owl. Now,
Speaker 1: what's also interesting about night owls? And I treat several
Speaker 1: musicians artists who are actually out there continue to be
Speaker 1: out there, much like yourself. So one of the things
Speaker 1: that I've recognized is jet lag becomes a problem. One
Speaker 1: of the guys that I treat does two hundred shows
Speaker 1: a year. Oh yeah, that's okay, two hundred shows a
Speaker 1: year in different spots, so jets but he couldn't do
Speaker 1: it if he wasn't a night owl. And one of
Speaker 1: the things I found is a lot of my super
Speaker 1: creatives actors as well, have a tendency to be more
Speaker 1: night people used to look right, I used to work.
Speaker 1: I grew up in comedy clubs because my dad's Freddie Prince.
Speaker 1: He was a stand up comic back in the day.
Speaker 1: I was hanging out the improv when I was twelve,
Speaker 1: watching guys do cocaine in the bathroom. Sure, so it was,
Speaker 1: and the other part good for sleep, just TONI than
Speaker 1: just saying. But when I when I stopped acting, I
Speaker 1: took a random job for the w w E and
Speaker 1: every stand up comic, every pro wrestler I know must
Speaker 1: have the peer Is that a p E R three
Speaker 1: gene Because that's every single man and woman in both
Speaker 1: industries that I've met. Yeah, it's really fascinating because for
Speaker 1: certain personality types, it turns out have certain what we
Speaker 1: call chrono types. So you might not have heard the
Speaker 1: word of chronotype, but you've heard of people being called
Speaker 1: an early bird or a night ol. Turns out those
Speaker 1: are chrono types. And when people don't go to bed
Speaker 1: at the same time that their chronotype dictates genetically, they're
Speaker 1: off and that causes sleeplessness. So there's it's it's unbelievable,
Speaker 1: and there's some really interesting tools out there people can
Speaker 1: use if they're suffering from sleeplessness. There's some new tech
Speaker 1: that's been coming out lately these days. Also, if you're
Speaker 1: a video game guy, one thing you've got to consider
Speaker 1: is blue light blocking glasses. A pro gamer send him
Speaker 1: to me to carer. Yeah, both of my kids like
Speaker 1: to game, and I had to actually create my own
Speaker 1: line of blue light blocking glass. Let. Absolutely, we'll get
Speaker 1: you something. So what happens with the blue light? What
Speaker 1: is that your eyes and turns off the melatonin Fawcett
Speaker 1: in your brain? So I love melatonin. We do. We
Speaker 1: all love melatonin at night, but not in this good
Speaker 1: dream morning. Yeah. Absolutely, and it's actually a really good antioxidant.
Speaker 1: But there's actually some newer tech that's out now that
Speaker 1: i'd love to tell you guys about because I get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to see really really cool, weird stuff that's
Speaker 1: out there, and it can be super helpful for folks.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I grew up surfing, I
Speaker 1: I was born and raised here as born at Cedar SI,
Speaker 1: and I I've never needed an alarm clock to wake up.
Speaker 1: That's a good sign. If I have to get up
Speaker 1: for work and I know I have to be there
Speaker 1: at seven, it's gonna take me an hour. Then at
Speaker 1: six whatever, it'll be five, nine or six on the dot,
Speaker 1: no matter what. Just my eyes have open. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: what what does I hate it? By the way, what
Speaker 1: what does that? What is it that makes you go,
Speaker 1: hey man, you got thirty second still at six am?
Speaker 1: Good up? So once again, your genetics are playing a
Speaker 1: role here. Like if I took your twenty three and
Speaker 1: me data or your ancestry dot com data, I could
Speaker 1: literally show you on the genome where some of that
Speaker 1: stuff is happening for you. It's it's quite it's really
Speaker 1: quite fascinating. But remember light plays a significant role. So
Speaker 1: as light increases in the bedroom as the sun rises,
Speaker 1: light comes through your eyelids and it sends a signal
Speaker 1: to your brain to turn off that melatonin faucet, just
Speaker 1: same way that blue light does at night. Right. So
Speaker 1: that's why we were the blue light blocking glasses at night.
Speaker 1: We want blue light in the morning. We don't want
Speaker 1: blue light at night, so we want sunlight in the morning.
Speaker 1: So a lot of my athletes what I have them
Speaker 1: do as soon as they wake up, they drink a
Speaker 1: full bottle of water and they get fifteen minutes of
Speaker 1: sunlight immediately because it removed was the brain fog, and
Speaker 1: then they can move on with their day. I love that.
Speaker 1: I love that you're doing it that way versus like
Speaker 1: a pound of coffee or here's like some I'm sint
Speaker 1: a big, big pharmaceutical guy, and I'm trying to stay
Speaker 1: away from a lot of the stimulants and the suff
Speaker 1: I want people to get a good quality sleep. I
Speaker 1: want people to be able to fall asleep easily, get
Speaker 1: good quality sleep, do some things. I'd love to tell
Speaker 1: you about this new piece of tech that I actually
Speaker 1: had float by me. It's kind of interesting. It's called Modius,
Speaker 1: And what it is is it's a headset that you
Speaker 1: put on these little things that go behind here. You
Speaker 1: wear for about thirty minutes before bed, and it sends
Speaker 1: a mild signal into a very particular part of your
Speaker 1: brain to shift that circadian cycle. This is Philip K.
Speaker 1: Dick do Android's dream of electric sheep stuff. Man, this
Speaker 1: is like stop sleeping, tune to channel. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, it's healthy, it's non pharmaceutical and
Speaker 1: it works like that was because I was super duper skeptical,
Speaker 1: to be fair, like I got, I get all kinds
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff that shows up in my mom's called mobius.
Speaker 1: What is it camobius health. Have you ever heard of
Speaker 1: the bio charger? I have heard of the biocharge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I like there's things about that that I like.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it was modi us, not with a B
Speaker 1: to be clear. I was thinking of the French artists
Speaker 1: more mobius. There's a little bit of a cross over there.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting is the signal is very very mild.
Speaker 1: You don't feel it. You wear it for thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: you can do it while watching TV. You take it off,
Speaker 1: you lie down and you go to sleep. Um. Interesting,
Speaker 1: So don't do when you're driving. Absolutely do this when
Speaker 1: you're driving, or sure, um, don't take the melotonin flavored
Speaker 1: ments while you're driving, and exactly, and don't use this
Speaker 1: type of device. But it's pretty amazing when you start
Speaker 1: to think about tech and inn tech actually have an
Speaker 1: influence on our biology. And the answer is yes, as
Speaker 1: long as we're responsible with it and we use it
Speaker 1: in the right ways. Well, we're never gonna do that.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be terminator to judgment day. Just not as
Speaker 1: soon as everyone said. But I'm a big believer in technology,
Speaker 1: but human beings are not responsible in enough to be
Speaker 1: responsible with the technology. And someone's gonna go on, build
Speaker 1: a sleep robot. It'll take over the world. They'll go
Speaker 1: like inception, like two point out to put you to sleep.
Speaker 1: I'll jump into your brain. I'm like, yeah, that's great,
Speaker 1: and you steal on my bank codes. I am so
Speaker 1: fascinated by people who do not prioritize prioritize sleep because
Speaker 1: I can't stand waking up and feeling like ass. I
Speaker 1: can't stand artistic thing. Man. Every artist I know and
Speaker 1: every jock I know is the other way like I'm
Speaker 1: friendly with a lot of UFC fighters and stuff, and
Speaker 1: their sleep is money there, it's there, it's a weapon.
Speaker 1: And every artist I know it's like they're texting me
Speaker 1: at midnight like, hey, man, were you doing. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like like with my with my
Speaker 1: actors and with my musicians, I actually create a situation
Speaker 1: for them where they don't have to go to bed
Speaker 1: before two o'clock in the morning, because a lot of
Speaker 1: them like when when you're out there, you don't get
Speaker 1: off stage until what time to three o'clock in the
Speaker 1: I mean it just depends, right, And so late at night,
Speaker 1: one of the guys I w with prints you don't
Speaker 1: even start till two am exactly, wouldn't even get on stage.
Speaker 1: So when you what I do is I actually do
Speaker 1: a whole shift for them, and I keep them on
Speaker 1: night mode, and then I have them sleeping during different
Speaker 1: times during the day, so you're having them blackout curtains
Speaker 1: and I can get pretty extreme if I need to.
Speaker 1: I'm actually a performance coach and I use sleep as
Speaker 1: my secret weapon, right, And so I used sleep to
Speaker 1: assess people, and I used sleep to actually help motivate
Speaker 1: people as well as give them more avenues for productivity.
Speaker 1: Sleep is the secret weapon of all secret weapons. And
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting when you say priorities, right, So I'll
Speaker 1: give you the best priority talk that I ever give anybody.
Speaker 1: Is you can last for about four minutes without air.
Speaker 1: You can last for about four days without water. You
Speaker 1: can go twenty five days without food. You can go
Speaker 1: for six days without sleep. Okay, well let's talk day four.
Speaker 1: You are crazy. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the debilitative effects absolutely lack of sleep. So like I've
Speaker 1: seen it in the poker room, right, like a poker
Speaker 1: player too, when poker was big, and you would see
Speaker 1: I saw people falling asleep at the table literally and
Speaker 1: you would see that the way it would affect their choices.
Speaker 1: Question there the rate at which they would call and
Speaker 1: guys when they thought they were like talk about how
Speaker 1: quickly just one night of no sleep can break you down.
Speaker 1: So it's really interesting. So there's a cute sleep deprivation,
Speaker 1: so like pulling it all nighter. And then there's the
Speaker 1: I didn't get like normally my body needs seven and
Speaker 1: I only got five and a half or five days
Speaker 1: in a row. So there's cumulative and then there's acute.
Speaker 1: Acute has some really interesting effects on it, specifically with
Speaker 1: decision making and frontal lobe cognitive stuff. The more sleep
Speaker 1: deprived you get from an acute standpoint, it just gets
Speaker 1: worse and worse. As a matter of fact, um, speaking
Speaker 1: of poker, I think it was Phil Locke who did
Speaker 1: like an eight day poker right right, Jennifer exactly, and
Speaker 1: he was a man by the end of it. He
Speaker 1: was doing the stupidest things you could possibly do. Sleep
Speaker 1: effects every organ system, every disease state, everything you do
Speaker 1: is affected by sleep. To give you some interesting science
Speaker 1: that's been coming out lately, the Nobel Prize in Medicine
Speaker 1: last year was given to circadian researchers. Okay, we know
Speaker 1: that cancer cells multiply faster the more sleep deprived you
Speaker 1: are cancer. Okay, we're not messing around here. We know
Speaker 1: that you can deliver chemotherapy at particular times in the
Speaker 1: twenty four hour cycle. It's more effective and you need
Speaker 1: less chemo Like this is the secret of all. You
Speaker 1: actually in the room and lie down, all right. I'm
Speaker 1: big in the professional video gaming space. I like that
Speaker 1: world a lot and a lot of video game streamers
Speaker 1: try to do these things for charity, so I feel bad.
Speaker 1: But they say, Hey, I'm doing a marathon twenty four
Speaker 1: hours of gaming straight, will you please retweet me? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you need to go watch they shoot horses,
Speaker 1: don't They like, can't do that? Like marathon dancing was
Speaker 1: not cool. It was a lot of ticket with a
Speaker 1: death sentence. That's not what That's not like you want
Speaker 1: it's so important. There's a I heard rumor that there's
Speaker 1: a show in England, uh, and it's a sleep deprivation show.
Speaker 1: And they put a briefcase with a half a million
Speaker 1: dollars in the middle of a room and they say,
Speaker 1: everybody stay awake. Last person standing gets the case. They
Speaker 1: used to do that in Japan. It's it's an idea
Speaker 1: from a Japanese game show. They used to do weird deprivations,
Speaker 1: the worst idea in the universe to get somebody to
Speaker 1: say no when it's five grand on the line. Did
Speaker 1: you ever see there's some TV show where I can't
Speaker 1: remember it was there some study where they sleep to
Speaker 1: deprive people for twenty four hours and then they put
Speaker 1: them through driving tests. Yeah, that's so. It's really interesting.
Speaker 1: If you lose approximately three hours of sleep at night,
Speaker 1: it's almost like if you were to blow a point
Speaker 1: oh five wow I and so, like they put them
Speaker 1: through a driving test at twenty four hours, then they
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to sleep again. They put them through one
Speaker 1: at like twenty seven at thirty hours. These people are
Speaker 1: driving their thirty hours no sleep. They're driving on this
Speaker 1: like course whatever. And there's like cats in the middle
Speaker 1: of their own not real ones. Obviously they're just hammering
Speaker 1: everything like they are. They don't give a damn anymore.
Speaker 1: They just they have no pognitive function left right, and
Speaker 1: and what happens think about it from a decision making standpoint,
Speaker 1: Like everybody makes a lot of important decisions throughout the day.
Speaker 1: Some of them are more important than others. For example,
Speaker 1: if you have decisions if with your children right, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be sleep deprived making decisions about things
Speaker 1: that are yell at your kids quick. As my daughter
Speaker 1: her best line is if when she when if I'm
Speaker 1: sleep deprived or somebody in the houses, she's like, Daddy,
Speaker 1: you're acting like a grumpy fish. And it's like that's
Speaker 1: the most perfect description there is, Like I totally understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying, I need to go take an oup?
Speaker 1: What about that? Was my next question? What about naps?
Speaker 1: Because I'm a huge advocate of naps. On game days,
Speaker 1: we would practice in the morning, go home from that
Speaker 1: nap for two hours in the afternoon because I don't
Speaker 1: think I have the PR three or the PR three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think I have that because I'm like bad
Speaker 1: by nine o'clock at night. But if I sleep from
Speaker 1: one till three, I can then perform at seven until ten,
Speaker 1: which is when our games were at that Canadian discipline. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Which really interesting is if you look in hockey in particular, Um,
Speaker 1: there was a sleep expert that came in many many
Speaker 1: years ago. I think it was with the Pittsburgh Penguins,
Speaker 1: I'm not positive. Um, And it was during the Stanley
Speaker 1: Cup and they were having all kinds of and so
Speaker 1: he changed the practice time because these guys had jet
Speaker 1: lag from moving all around and by just changing the
Speaker 1: practice time by giving them naps, guess what, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they had more energy. They performed better than
Speaker 1: they ended up. Actual Matten did that with the Chicago
Speaker 1: Cubs when the in the World Series. You had a
Speaker 1: sleep expert the whole season right now. Almost every single
Speaker 1: professional team out there, doesn't matter. The sport has got
Speaker 1: somebody like me who's coming on board and looking at
Speaker 1: this stuff and trying to really help. Because it's a
Speaker 1: performance game and these guys are in gals are all
Speaker 1: being tested for performance enhancing you know, drugs. So that's out.
Speaker 1: What else can you do? Sleep? You gotta help these
Speaker 1: pro gamers out, man. You gotta nobody do something together.
Speaker 1: Be fine, Yeah, man, nobody's helping them out. Nobody knows that.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of a it's like the wild West. Still.
Speaker 1: You gotta gotta help these kids out, man, well and
Speaker 1: their kids. So they've got developing brains, like all the
Speaker 1: reasons they should be getting even more sleep, um, and
Speaker 1: they're unfortunately they're not. We had a sleep doctor quote
Speaker 1: unquote sleep doctor. I don't know if you'd like that
Speaker 1: term or not, probably about seven eight years ago. So yeah,
Speaker 1: every team has you get you get a presentation all
Speaker 1: the time from these guys. They are checking with you randomly.
Speaker 1: They'll plan as soon as our schedule comes out, the
Speaker 1: schedule goes to the sleep the team sleep doctor, and
Speaker 1: he plans your travel. Athletes take it as seriously as
Speaker 1: you think they need to. Well, that's part of the issue.
Speaker 1: I mean that the doctor can plan that like, hey, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna stay overnight in this city and we're gonna
Speaker 1: fly the next day, and of the players are going
Speaker 1: to go, oh, I got a green light in New
Speaker 1: York City, Like there goes my sleep. Right. Um, But
Speaker 1: if that doesn't happen as much anymore, if you're responsible athlete,
Speaker 1: you want to be in the league for a long time,
Speaker 1: you won't do that. What I am is the rookies
Speaker 1: are the partiers, and the guys are like, I know,
Speaker 1: I want like this has got to last. I've got
Speaker 1: a shelf life, right, and I wanted to last. You know.
Speaker 1: The NFL is called not for long right for a reason,
Speaker 1: And so we want to see our athletes performing better.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a fan, you want to see it also.
Speaker 1: And so what I've noticed when I work with athletes
Speaker 1: is the young ones they're out partying. The guys that
Speaker 1: have been around two or three seasons, they're like, oh no, no, no.
Speaker 1: I feel like the social media when these player NBA
Speaker 1: players get caught at nightclubs, it's all sleep. Doctors just
Speaker 1: sleep shaming them. You bet. It's also it's also it's
Speaker 1: also insane how alcohol disrupts your sleep that withdraws and
Speaker 1: it'll here's the craziest thing about that. Alcohol is the
Speaker 1: number one sleep aid in the world. More people drink
Speaker 1: themselves to sleep than anything else. And while alcohol makes
Speaker 1: you feel sleepy, there's a really big difference between going
Speaker 1: to sleep and passing out right. And so what we
Speaker 1: want to do is want to avoid the passing out.
Speaker 1: So my general recommendation, it's okay to having a couple
Speaker 1: of adult beverages with your you know, your meal at night,
Speaker 1: but give yourself one hour per alcoholic beverage and one
Speaker 1: glass of water per alcoholic beverage. That way your body
Speaker 1: moves it through the system. You can have a nice
Speaker 1: glass of wine or a Scotch with dinner and then
Speaker 1: you can still fall asleep and do well. And anything
Speaker 1: over to it's severely one of two beers. Okay, anything
Speaker 1: over that is what we were taught in our presence.
Speaker 1: Anything from three to six, you're altering big time. From
Speaker 1: six to ten, I mean you're just destroying I drink
Speaker 1: Japanese socket and now those cups are small, so can
Speaker 1: I go too bottles deep. You can go one of
Speaker 1: those mini bottles to give yourself some time afterwards and
Speaker 1: some water. Afterwards will be some time, there'll be someone.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. From a singing perspective, Uh, anything
Speaker 1: booze booze feels good when you're doing the show, great,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. If I if I've got
Speaker 1: a sore throat, I've got flamed on my throat, I'll
Speaker 1: drink a little bit of whiskey and I'll clean it
Speaker 1: off and like warm it up and helps me get
Speaker 1: through the show for an hour or two. Great. But
Speaker 1: if I hit it hard next day, I'm done, it's over.
Speaker 1: And Uh, the same thing with sleep. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I don't get a good night's sleep and I got
Speaker 1: a show coming up and I've got to go do
Speaker 1: a gig and I'm just having a hard time talking.
Speaker 1: If I catch like even just an hour nap before
Speaker 1: the show, my voice feels great. Changes it tremendously for me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You go from from like
Speaker 1: just incapable to just you got everything you need. You
Speaker 1: become the rock star again or the actor or the athlete. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's what's the philosophy? On the power nap is the
Speaker 1: twenty minute nap? Does it do anything? So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do you one better. I'm gonna teach you what I
Speaker 1: call the nap a latte. All right now, this is
Speaker 1: a technique that I created and it works really well. So,
Speaker 1: first of all, naps are great. I'm a big proponent
Speaker 1: of naps. Unless you have insomnia. If you don't sleep
Speaker 1: well at night, napping during the day is just gonna
Speaker 1: make it worse, So don't do that. But let's say
Speaker 1: you only got five hours and you've got a big presentation,
Speaker 1: a gig, a game event, what what have you. Here's
Speaker 1: what you can do. Go out and get a cup
Speaker 1: of drip black coffee, put in three ice cubes just
Speaker 1: to cool it down, slug it, and then literally minutes
Speaker 1: after you finish it, close your eyes into a twenty
Speaker 1: five minute nap. Here's what happens is there's this stuff
Speaker 1: called a dennison in your brain that has to be
Speaker 1: burned through. That's what the twenty minute nap does. Caffeine
Speaker 1: fits perfectly into the same receptor sites in the brain,
Speaker 1: so it's waiting in the wings. So when you take
Speaker 1: that twenty five minute nap. It burns through that at Dennison,
Speaker 1: the caffeine locks in. You're good for four hours. Guarantee,
Speaker 1: it's rocks. There you go. Listeners, look at that nap
Speaker 1: a latte years actually taking a lot of naps after
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee, and people like, are you crazy?
Speaker 1: It's gonna wake you up. I'm like, nah, man, it
Speaker 1: feels good. I want to take a nap. Well, interesting,
Speaker 1: Where can our listeners? I I want to almost like
Speaker 1: have a sit down with you for like an hour
Speaker 1: myself so we can dive further into um your website,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? The sleep doctor dot com?
Speaker 1: So I'm availablet the sleep doctor dot com. And if
Speaker 1: people want to check out that tech that I was
Speaker 1: talking about, it's at Modius Health m O d I
Speaker 1: U S health dot com. I want to try one
Speaker 1: of those whole time. So Dr Michael Bruce, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming in. I Amy I'd love to have him
Speaker 1: back on for like a full episode. It's so helpful. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, buddy, I appreciate you. Bet well. He was awesome.
Speaker 1: Dr Michael was awesome, right, fantastic. Now we're going to
Speaker 1: get into topic number three that we're going to improve
Speaker 1: in time management. Boy, And that's a tough one for me.
Speaker 1: I know, I'll just get a start by saying we're enemies. Also,
Speaker 1: it's uh, we we are failing massively at this because
Speaker 1: we have an itinerary for this podcast and we were
Speaker 1: running way behind us. What happens and you bring an
Speaker 1: actor in to fill in, then I'll do my best.
Speaker 1: So we are going to get into time management. And
Speaker 1: right now on the phone with us, we have Craig
Speaker 1: jar O there. Great. Yeah, so first off you have
Speaker 1: as Gavin said, Greg, well, welcome to the show first
Speaker 1: and then second story, we're late buddy, So yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate having me. So, Creig, you are the author
Speaker 1: of time Management Ninja. I love that. So how does
Speaker 1: one how does one become a time management ninja? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: I think it really comes through a lot of practice.
Speaker 1: And uh one of the first things I tell you
Speaker 1: about time management is it doesn't have to be complicated.
Speaker 1: It just has to be a part of your lifestyle. Oh.
Speaker 1: I like that. So your mission is to help individuals
Speaker 1: and companies sort of reclaim their time. Yes, yes, I
Speaker 1: help companies and I also write a blog at timemagement
Speaker 1: dot com, where I have a lot of articles that
Speaker 1: individuals can use as well. So, where's the biggest waste
Speaker 1: of time that you're seeing in companies or people? Individuals?
Speaker 1: Like something for our listeners? How can they have? I mean,
Speaker 1: we all have twenty four hours in a day, but
Speaker 1: how can we have It's something? Honestly, one of my
Speaker 1: top five goals in is to have space in my life,
Speaker 1: to create space in my life. So, um, what are
Speaker 1: some of your tools and tips for me and our
Speaker 1: listeners to be able to create more space and get
Speaker 1: more time back in our lives. Well, I think the
Speaker 1: easiest one to start with is always the one that
Speaker 1: we're always carrying around with us, right in the phone.
Speaker 1: I don't wean, we don't go anywhere without it. Most
Speaker 1: people sleep with it, and you know it to be
Speaker 1: your best friend, but it's also your you worst enemy, right,
Speaker 1: And a lot of people spend way too much time
Speaker 1: on their phone. Yeah, that's I agree with. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: phone thing is brutal, and it also your your C
Speaker 1: five and C six discs in your neck. Don't don't
Speaker 1: love you too much either. Here here, here's my question
Speaker 1: for you. There was a movie that nobody saw with
Speaker 1: Michael Keaton called Multiplicity, and it was about not Oh
Speaker 1: you and me were the only ones. Brother. We really
Speaker 1: like Michael Keaton. So me too. Um. So he has
Speaker 1: this line where he's talking to this doctor who's a
Speaker 1: geneticist who's going to create clones for him so he
Speaker 1: can literally have more time. He's not gonna tell anyone
Speaker 1: about the clones. That's how he's gonna pull it off.
Speaker 1: And uh, when the doctor's first speaking to him, he says, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you do for fun and when you have
Speaker 1: time off? And he says, I like to play golf
Speaker 1: And he says, oh, how often do you get out?
Speaker 1: And Michael Keaton just looks at him. He goes, never, Yeah, never.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna have to cut back. And that's really
Speaker 1: gonna hurt that. That is everybody I know working today,
Speaker 1: because most people I know working today don't have one job.
Speaker 1: They have to three four five different hustles going on
Speaker 1: at once. How did you help a man? How do
Speaker 1: you help that woman who legit has three four five
Speaker 1: six things going on? The phone? Is the phone the
Speaker 1: main thing? Like, take some time away from that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I really do think the phone can be the
Speaker 1: main thing. I like what you said about the golf
Speaker 1: joke there. I want to address that in a second.
Speaker 1: But the phone things, it's everybody's main thing, right We
Speaker 1: we live and we live on these things now, And
Speaker 1: for me, it always comes back to is it a
Speaker 1: tool or is a toy for you? You know? And
Speaker 1: are you using it to get things done and you know,
Speaker 1: using it as a superpower to multiply your time, or
Speaker 1: are using it to waste time and sitting there watching
Speaker 1: YouTube or social social networks or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the best and worst thing
Speaker 1: we have. So I think for many people it's kind
Speaker 1: of reevaluating how you're using it. But the other big
Speaker 1: thing I would jump on right away is the interruptions. Right.
Speaker 1: You know, we we can't go more than ten seconds
Speaker 1: without our phone beeping or you know, giving us a
Speaker 1: notification or whatever it may be. And it's not even
Speaker 1: the phone calls these days, it's just all the pings
Speaker 1: and stuff we get. So I think that's a a
Speaker 1: area to start for most people. Is turning down the
Speaker 1: noise on your phone, bring off a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of those notifications. I'm gonna blow your
Speaker 1: mind right now. Okay, if um, just all our listeners.
Speaker 1: If you were on your phone two hours a day,
Speaker 1: So let's say you're let's say you're on Instagram or
Speaker 1: YouTube or something. You're on your phone two hours a day,
Speaker 1: that's one twelve of the day. Twenty four hours divided
Speaker 1: by two, that's one twelve, which means that's one month
Speaker 1: out of every year that you are on your phone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is one whole month of the year spent on
Speaker 1: your phone on social media, just scrolling wasting away. That's
Speaker 1: not accounting anything you're doing with your career. That's not
Speaker 1: accounting sleeping, what you're doing with your friends, how you're
Speaker 1: spending your life. That's one month out of twelve wasted.
Speaker 1: The phone is a tricky thing, right, And and you
Speaker 1: said something that I think is very smart. Is it
Speaker 1: a toy or is it a tool? My godfather a
Speaker 1: long time ago, when he was giving me the staff
Speaker 1: drug speech and and don't drink and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: he said, if it's not helping you push forward, if
Speaker 1: it's not helping you achieve your goals, remove it from
Speaker 1: your life. You'll have time for that later when you
Speaker 1: run out of ideas. Um, the phone thing is tricky
Speaker 1: because so many people they won't be being honest with themselves,
Speaker 1: but they'll say I need my phone for work. And
Speaker 1: it's this cop out excuse that I hear so many people.
Speaker 1: Is there. Do you have a philosophy on breaking that habit?
Speaker 1: Because more than anything, for people to get on board
Speaker 1: with the philosophy, it's that first habit that has to
Speaker 1: sort of be destroyed, either brick by brick or all
Speaker 1: at once. Which way do you like more? Yeah? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I like where you're going with that. And for most people,
Speaker 1: especially with that that worked component, it's become a leash, right,
Speaker 1: It's a leash that's always attached to us. And again
Speaker 1: we always take these things with us every where we go,
Speaker 1: even to bed, into the bathroom and everything. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would I think that's the first thing you
Speaker 1: need to break down, is how do you break that
Speaker 1: leash that your phone is Because we're checking our email,
Speaker 1: we're checking our slack whatever may be, twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day, and that's not productive. Um, when it comes
Speaker 1: to email in particular, I really challenge people, do you
Speaker 1: really need your work email on your phone? And if
Speaker 1: you do. Maybe you only check it morning, midday, and night,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe three times a day or something like that.
Speaker 1: But but incessantly checking your work messages and sessiantly trying
Speaker 1: to plug in, You're never gonna get to your work.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna get things done. Um you know. So
Speaker 1: it's it's that leash that we need to break, and
Speaker 1: that crap makes people anxious too. Constantly chat what did
Speaker 1: that email? Comes? How to email? Like I see people
Speaker 1: get two shakes because of that. The social media, I
Speaker 1: think is the worst part of it because it's being
Speaker 1: used as entertainment and that's that productive time that when
Speaker 1: everyone at the end of that, I'm so ty wish
Speaker 1: I had more time. It's like, be you spend three
Speaker 1: and a half hours on Facebook today, you have time.
Speaker 1: It's hard, though, to break that mindset. That whole there's
Speaker 1: I mean, there's hashtags of fear of missing out right phone.
Speaker 1: That's why people get alerts on their phone, which I'm
Speaker 1: too old to get. I'm forty three years old. I
Speaker 1: don't get a notification from a single app I have
Speaker 1: outside of texts, I don't even get it. I don't
Speaker 1: even hear my emails come up. I just check them
Speaker 1: at the end of the day. When my wife and
Speaker 1: I first started dating, there were things called kicks that
Speaker 1: were out. It was like instant messaging. Every actor had one,
Speaker 1: but me, Like, I hated being available. I have a
Speaker 1: I have a have an app on my phone where
Speaker 1: if you text me and I'm driving, it auto replies,
Speaker 1: i'm driving, I can't talk to you right now. Like,
Speaker 1: but that's not saving time, that's just trying to be safe.
Speaker 1: But the phone thing, it's how do you convince someone
Speaker 1: who says their life is their phone, I need this
Speaker 1: for How do you convince them? How do you show
Speaker 1: them they don't? Um, I think there's a couple of
Speaker 1: things you can do to approach that. I was about
Speaker 1: to use the word pomo, So I'm glad you went
Speaker 1: there first. But this this fear of missing out. Everyone's
Speaker 1: so afraid of missing something instead of actually living their
Speaker 1: life or doing their own thing. And and if you
Speaker 1: let that rule your life, you're you're not living your life,
Speaker 1: You're living someone else's urgencies and notifications popping up. UM,
Speaker 1: I think one thing you can do. I'm amazed that
Speaker 1: you got you. Guys sound very disciplined around the notifications
Speaker 1: and your phones and your technology. But I think for
Speaker 1: a lot of people, they can really start by, you know,
Speaker 1: doing a self examination of what's on your phone. You know,
Speaker 1: one of the things that challenge people with is what's
Speaker 1: on your home page or your phone. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't even have one page now, we got you know,
Speaker 1: nine pages of apps on our phones. But you know,
Speaker 1: when I when I see somebody open up their phone
Speaker 1: and the first thing thing that they've got there is
Speaker 1: YouTube and ESPN and whatever else may be, you know, Instagram.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you're gonna do when you when
Speaker 1: you're playing with your phone, you're gonna be playing with
Speaker 1: it instead of using it for productivity. You know, do
Speaker 1: you have your to dos to your calendar or stuff
Speaker 1: right there instead of those games? You know, that's like
Speaker 1: asking an alcoholic to look in the mirror that for real,
Speaker 1: what's what's on the first page of your phone. That's
Speaker 1: like looking into your own soul and genuinely kind of
Speaker 1: analyzing what you see and is that something you respect
Speaker 1: or someone you don't? Do you know, how I approach
Speaker 1: a phone? This is I hope this this helped me
Speaker 1: major and I hope this helps other people, Um Craig,
Speaker 1: I approached my phone as I pay money each month
Speaker 1: to have this device that gives me access to other people.
Speaker 1: I do not pay money each month to give other
Speaker 1: people access to me. So I think that's a big thing.
Speaker 1: People think they have a phone, they have to be
Speaker 1: accessible to everybody, and I have blackout times in the
Speaker 1: course of my day. Amy knows this. When I'm training,
Speaker 1: when I'm working out, my phone is nowhere nearly from
Speaker 1: from nine o'clock till eight am, I have do not
Speaker 1: disturb on. So if any text or phone call comes through,
Speaker 1: with the exception of my wife, I do not. It
Speaker 1: does not alert me. My phone is silent from nine
Speaker 1: pm toe that quiet. All four of you comment on
Speaker 1: what if somebody has a relationship that's long distance, so
Speaker 1: really they rely on the phone and face time and
Speaker 1: text id that to be able to communicate with their
Speaker 1: significant other, Like what do all three of you think
Speaker 1: and our experts. That's fine. I had to do that.
Speaker 1: My wife and I FaceTime all the time because we
Speaker 1: were living on oftimes. An exception to the rule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like family time though, It's just that that's the
Speaker 1: construct we live in today. The Jetsons could do it,
Speaker 1: so we get to do it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like that, and that isn't time waste of time with
Speaker 1: the family. I think it's more the YouTube stuff. It's
Speaker 1: more the waiting for alerts on what celebrity or politician
Speaker 1: or or or athlete did did what? And oh okay,
Speaker 1: let me see what everybody's saying. It's like you just
Speaker 1: spend forty minutes doing nothing. That's why your boss hates you.
Speaker 1: That's why you don't get in respect. And one that's
Speaker 1: why you don't get the promotion because you're concerned with
Speaker 1: that stuff. I know that's hardcore these days, but that's
Speaker 1: just that's real stuff. This guy really really what you're saying, Freddy,
Speaker 1: is that a lot of people spend their time watching
Speaker 1: other people's lives. At the base of it, that's what
Speaker 1: better than you are spending your time. Gavin and I
Speaker 1: fighting with you a couple of weeks ago, we Gavin,
Speaker 1: I were so heated because we're like f this social
Speaker 1: media where people are just showing their best lives and
Speaker 1: then remember, everybody came at us. I'll show my worst life.
Speaker 1: Did they come at us? Yeah? Yeah, it's that's why
Speaker 1: because because we are making just saying that their pretty lives.
Speaker 1: What did people come at us online and our co
Speaker 1: host Gig here's a question, Greg, I have a question
Speaker 1: for you. What about another topic? Um? What about work
Speaker 1: life balance? How abo do you advise people there? Um?
Speaker 1: I think there's two things you can mention there. One.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll close the book on the technology for now.
Speaker 1: We kind of beat the phone thing. But but but again,
Speaker 1: it's about turning that off. It's about turning that off
Speaker 1: when you when you go to bed. You know, we
Speaker 1: talked about the pomo. You know a lot of people
Speaker 1: that that's what they do right before they go to bed.
Speaker 1: They don't even talk to their spouse. They're looking on
Speaker 1: their phone or they're checking that work email. Um, he
Speaker 1: will separate. That separates relationships. There's nothing more cold in
Speaker 1: a relationship. It's so weird when you see two people
Speaker 1: at a table out of dinner. Oh man, they're both
Speaker 1: on their phones. It's so weird to me. And you
Speaker 1: see it used to be like a unicorn, but now
Speaker 1: they're texting. Right, that's very They don't even chat on
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. Okay, sorry, Craig, keep going, No, no,
Speaker 1: that's good. That's good. And I actually talked about that
Speaker 1: on my website. Was like, called it having an affair
Speaker 1: with your smartphone in the dating sites, but you're having
Speaker 1: an affair with your smartphone instead of with your spouse. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: but go go back to work life balance. Um Again.
Speaker 1: I think it's about setting those boundaries. And we've talked
Speaker 1: about the FOMO, we talked about the interruptions, but I
Speaker 1: think it's about spending some time. You know, you mentioned
Speaker 1: how two hours a day adds up to a month
Speaker 1: of your year. How much are you spending on your
Speaker 1: life and and you know you can't force quality time.
Speaker 1: It's about spending time on the family, but then also
Speaker 1: spending time on yourself. And one of the other things
Speaker 1: that I like to talk to people about is having
Speaker 1: a hobby. And a lot of people like you made
Speaker 1: that golf joke earlier for multiplicity, but but so many
Speaker 1: people don't make time for a hobby. They're like, I
Speaker 1: don't have time for that. But the truth is when
Speaker 1: you invest in yourself and you invest in that personal time,
Speaker 1: you actually multiply you know, your time because that passion,
Speaker 1: you know, spreads to the rest of your life and
Speaker 1: you're that much more enthusiastic and energetic. And so getting
Speaker 1: in that golf time, if it's for you or it's
Speaker 1: you know, whatever your hobby is, can actually give you
Speaker 1: more time back in your life. And I think that's
Speaker 1: a something that people don't see, that they need to
Speaker 1: spend that time on themselves, whether it's at the gym
Speaker 1: or doing a hobby or whatever it may be. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's that's dead on. And I look, I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer in that. I found when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I figured out kind of what I loved and I
Speaker 1: never let go of that. And as I grew up,
Speaker 1: I used to play Dungeons and Dragons as a little kid, right,
Speaker 1: And as I got older, that group went away because
Speaker 1: it was all these adults say, no, I don't have
Speaker 1: time and adult life and all this. And I finally
Speaker 1: just started making time. And this was a good reason.
Speaker 1: This was a good part of social media. I don't
Speaker 1: want to just trash it. I found other people in
Speaker 1: the local l A area that also played, and we're
Speaker 1: looking for games and more. And if you make a hobby,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go on a D and D tenement
Speaker 1: a tangent. If you if you have a hobby, it
Speaker 1: means you have passion for it. And if you have
Speaker 1: passion for something, you will create the time because it's
Speaker 1: more important to you then watching that basketball game in
Speaker 1: March madness. It's more important to you than this all
Speaker 1: this other stuff. It was more important to me than
Speaker 1: going on dates with pretty ladies. That's how much I
Speaker 1: loved it. I made it important, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So if you have passion for it, you can make
Speaker 1: time for it. It's when it's when you're kind of
Speaker 1: half ascid it. That's when you're like, oh no, I
Speaker 1: don't have enough time. Greig. I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: I heard this analogy about work life balance. I want
Speaker 1: to bounce it off and just get your thoughts on it.
Speaker 1: Somebody said that to me that work life balance was
Speaker 1: like a teeter totter. So a teeter totter, you're never
Speaker 1: just like if you were to sit still, perfectly balanced
Speaker 1: with the person on the other side, you'd go crazy.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, You'll be like, okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: move one way. So it's either you swing. You swing
Speaker 1: into work a little harder and then it swings down
Speaker 1: and you swing more into family time, and then once
Speaker 1: you've had a lot of that, you swing back into
Speaker 1: some work and it's this little it's a dance. It's
Speaker 1: like a teeter totter up and down, back and forth
Speaker 1: that it's it's not really a balance. It's never sitting
Speaker 1: there where the teeter totter isn't moving, um, because that's
Speaker 1: just boring for everybody. There's nothing there. But it's it's
Speaker 1: a a give and a pull, or like a push
Speaker 1: and a poll, and it's coming to coming back from
Speaker 1: just moving in and out of work and out of
Speaker 1: family time. Does that make sense to you? Te it was?
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that, And it sounds a
Speaker 1: little a little philosophical there, and if if you want
Speaker 1: to go on the philosophy side, I think it absolutely
Speaker 1: can be true in terms of you're always going back
Speaker 1: and forth. I mean, there's never gonna be a perfect
Speaker 1: stationary point to each stationary point. You're probably dead right, um.
Speaker 1: But I think it wasn't trying to be more of it,
Speaker 1: I say, just spreading that positivity rap. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's always going to go be going back and forth, right,
Speaker 1: And you know, we always have busy times at work,
Speaker 1: We always you know sometimes have you know, either exciting
Speaker 1: things or drama things at home. So you know, I
Speaker 1: do think it's a it's that Teter Tyer analogy is
Speaker 1: a good example or good philosophy. I'll say this though,
Speaker 1: if you remember being on that playground to be on
Speaker 1: that tier, Tyder, if you ever took it too far
Speaker 1: and that board hit the ground on one side, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a good feeling for anybody, right. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: used to jump off on purpose just to make guys
Speaker 1: wipe out. Man, take that time from him and make
Speaker 1: it my own. But my point, my point is, I
Speaker 1: think if that happens in our lives, if one side
Speaker 1: hits the ground, you know, everything kind of comes out
Speaker 1: of balance, you know, and if the if the personal
Speaker 1: side or the work side goes too far, then it's
Speaker 1: a jolt to the system for everybody. Yeah. Um, awesome, man. Uh,
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Because I love I love
Speaker 1: what you're talking about here, Craig. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: How to manage your time with Craig Jarrow? Um? Is
Speaker 1: that where you hang out the most? Uh? No? Actually
Speaker 1: you can find me two places, one on the web
Speaker 1: at time management ninja dot com and then actually, I
Speaker 1: just had a book come out two months ago. You
Speaker 1: can find that on Amazon. It's twenty one tips for
Speaker 1: more time and less stress in your life Time Managing Ninja.
Speaker 1: So check that out. You know what I might do
Speaker 1: a book? I might start like a book club where
Speaker 1: I do a book a month. Good idea where I
Speaker 1: do a book a month. I want to add that
Speaker 1: we finally get invited over to your house. He gave
Speaker 1: has been to my house. I just had gave over
Speaker 1: for Thanksgiving? Did you about that? Yeah? That's awesome. Can
Speaker 1: I jump in um? First of all, thank you for
Speaker 1: inviting me for thanks you because you made my Thanksgiving bro.
Speaker 1: Thank you love you appreciate very much. But more important,
Speaker 1: only can I make sure the books are small books? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I like small books. I like small books because you
Speaker 1: know my eyes get tired. That's something that will put
Speaker 1: me to sleep. Yeah again, but that's a good stupid
Speaker 1: a long book. Yeah, it's true. Even when I'm interested,
Speaker 1: then you know you're gonna quit just based on the
Speaker 1: thickness of it. You gotta put me to that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. I appreciate you, Craig, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on