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Mahomes is now discussing 16 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 5: how the Eagles were able to slow him down back 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 5: in February. 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 6: To progress and to be better next time, you have 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 6: to watch it and learn from it. And so I 20 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 6: don't know the exact amount of times where you watch it, 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 6: and you watch it in the offseason with the team 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 6: and with the coaches, and then you watch it obviously 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 6: this week as well. And so they had a great 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 6: game plan, they played hard and did a great job 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 6: of disrupting my timing, and so I have to learn 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 6: from that, find ways to get the ball out of 27 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 6: my hand and then when the opportunities are there. I 28 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 6: think that's something I didn't miss early in the game, 29 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 6: as there was opportunities to make plays, and you got 30 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 6: to make those plays because if you don't, they're not 31 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 6: going to allow those opportunities. Again. 32 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this could get ugly. I think Philadelphia. 33 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 4: I think Philadelphia roles. 34 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 5: Well, you remember one of us called the Super Bowl accurately, 35 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 5: and oh, by the way, in case your curious audience, 36 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 5: Pro Football Focus graded out the tackles of the Chiefs 37 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 5: and this is just from Week one against the Chargers, 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 5: who had Khalil Mack and the mediocre pass for US Josh. 39 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 4: Simmons the rookie fifty sixth. 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 5: Out of sixty five tackles and Jawan Taylor, who's terrible, 41 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 5: grated out his fifty seven both not very good. That 42 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 5: was the problem in the Super Bowl. I think the 43 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 5: Eagles get after him again, and I'm with you. I 44 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 5: like Philip Delphia to go into Arrowhead. Send the Chiefs 45 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 5: your Chiefs, sorry, Knicks, Chiefs to oh and two. Next 46 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 5: next story, Colin is JJ McCarthy. Boy, what a comeback 47 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 5: On Monday Night football went off in the fourth quarter 48 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 5: three touchdowns, big comeback. 49 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 4: During his press conference yesterday, McCarthy. 50 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 5: Talked about how his persona changes when he steps on 51 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 5: the field. 52 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 7: Carell Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it is real when you know, 53 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 7: I'm ready to go to war on Sundays, Mondays and 54 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 7: Thursdays and you know sometimes Saturdays and third and Wednesdays. Yeah, 55 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 7: but uh yeah, it's really just like a flip that 56 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 7: switched and you know, the rest take care of itself 57 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 7: from there. 58 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 5: Kind of like kind of like us when we walk 60 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 5: into the studio, it's like a different J Mac. It's like, Oh, 61 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 5: he's locked in, he's ready to go. I like what 62 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 5: I saw for McCarthy. 63 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 3: Collins. 64 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 4: Final story Travis Hunter. 65 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 5: He made his NFL debut in Week one, didn't have 66 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 5: a huge huge impact, did catch six passes for thirty 67 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 5: three yards, and defensively, Hunter made a tackle. He ended 68 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 5: up playing forty two offensive snaps just six on defense, 69 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 5: but head coach Liam Cohen said he's gonna be playing 70 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 5: a little more defense this weekend against the Bungles. 71 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 8: Going in a Week one it was okay we'll probably 72 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 8: we know that it's not going to be a ton 73 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 8: on defense. The goal is to increase and continue to increase. 74 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 8: It just so happens that we're playing Cincinnati with two 75 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 8: good white House this week. 76 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 77 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: I like Cincinnati definitely. I get the better quarterback at home. 78 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, a bit of a cop out. Give me the 79 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 5: over in this one. I think we're gonna see points 80 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 5: and offense at Bengals defense. I mean Joe Flacco moved 81 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 5: the ball at will Yeah. 82 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agreed. 83 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: Flaco wasn't bad at all. 84 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: No. 85 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: Jmack with the news. 86 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 87 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: Herd Line News. 88 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, it's going to be joining us on the 89 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: other side. Good day today, Greg Cosel, Diana Russini, and 90 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: Tom Brady around the corner. That's next, It's the Hurd. 91 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 92 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: and noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 93 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 94 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 9: Hey, what's up everybody? It's me three time pro bowler 95 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 9: LeVar Arrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 9: a podcast called Up on Game? What is up on 97 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 9: Game you ass along with my fellow pro bowler TJ. 98 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 9: Huschman Zada and Super Bowl champion Yup, that's right, Plexico Burus. 99 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 9: You can only name a show with that type of 100 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 9: talent on it. 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Hutschman Zada, 103 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 9: and Plexico Birds on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or 104 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 9: where wrever you get your podcast. 105 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 5: Bro Saquon leads to defending champion Eagles against Patrick Mahomes 106 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 5: and the Chiefs America's Game of the Week Sunday for 107 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 5: Eastern on Fox. 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 4: I mean he had a lot of big stars in 109 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 4: that game. 110 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, right now, if you listed the top ten to 111 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: twelve players, I think it would be eight. I mean, 112 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: obviously Chris Jones and Patrick Mahomes would be in there, 113 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: but I just think there's a preponderance and the dominance 114 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia's roster. I mean, do top of your head 115 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: ten best players in that game. I mean you could 116 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: take three offensive line with the Eagles alone. Jalen Carter 117 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: would be in there. Saquon Barkley's in there, Jalen Hurts 118 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: is probably in there. I mean it's right now Philadelphia's roster. 119 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of holes. Jalen Carter returns, so 120 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: the Cowboys had some success running the ball. I doubt 121 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: they have as much success as the Cowboys had with 122 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: Jalen Carter returning. And I also think this week we've 123 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: had really good standalone games in the NFL, so the 124 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: Bears and the Vikings. The more it gets examined by 125 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: people I respect, the more disheartening it is for Chicago. 126 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: And Tom Brady's talked about this before. So much of 127 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: being a quarterback in the NFL is pre snap so 128 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: much as operations. So I mean, it really is. It's 129 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: the foundation of the house. Forget about the snazzy kitchen. 130 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: You gotta get the foundation right. And Greg Cosel earlier 131 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: today did not mince words on what the film said 132 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: about Caleb's Week one performance. 133 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 10: He's got things that need to be clearly worked on. 134 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 10: I'm sure they're working on them. There's too many what 135 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 10: we call turndowns throws that are there that he does 136 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 10: not make. And in any given week, Colin and you 137 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 10: know this can he make special plays because he has 138 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 10: a great arm and throws a beautiful ball, although he 139 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 10: missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy in this game. 140 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 10: But he has a beautiful arm, and he's obviously very 141 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 10: mobile and can make plays outside of structure. But that's 142 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 10: not the way you can live in the NFL, as 143 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 10: you know, week to week. 144 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you take off the first ten passes, he 145 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 4: was ten for ten. 146 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: That's on script, and. 147 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: That's impressive right against Brian Flores. But if you take 148 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: away the first ten passes and offensive coaches loved the 149 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: script those to first ten, twelve, fifteen plays, it was 150 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: pretty meager. 151 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 4: It was pretty bad. 152 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: And then the issues for Caleb seem harder to correct. 153 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: Footwork pre snap penalties. 154 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: Leads the league last eighteen games by forty eight percent 155 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: on balls overthrown. JJ McCarthy's issues were in game much 156 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: easier to correct, which were kind of lack of confidence, 157 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 1: you know they were. It was a pretty protective game plan, 158 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: and so when Greg Hossel looked at JJ McCarthy on 159 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: his performance, here's what he saw. 160 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 10: When a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver 161 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 10: is open and the play breaks down, the defense the 162 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 10: way you anticipate when you make the play call and 163 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 10: the quarterback execcutes it, which is what you want. By 164 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 10: the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we 165 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 10: give the credit? JJ McCarthy will reap the benefits of 166 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 10: Kevin O'Connell being one of the best in the league 167 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 10: at being able to do this. 168 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: And I think my general takeaway is Caleb Williams was 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: at his best on script. JJ McCarthy was at his 170 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: best the last three drives mostly off script, right, So 171 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: like that, the further you get away from leaning on 172 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: coaching it being a little bit of a crutch because 173 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: I don't know what the percentages are, but I wouldn't 174 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: be surprised if the highest percentage of scoring in the 175 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: NFL is on first drives. I mean, that's the stuff 176 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: because sixty five percent of winners in the NFL the 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: first team to score. So you know, your coaches you 178 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: want to take an early lead. On average, sixty sixty 179 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: five percent of winners in the NFL lead a game, 180 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: So that first drive is you know, it's really important 181 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: to trail going into a fourth quarter as a road 182 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: team and then to win convincingly just doesn't happen a lot, 183 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: and it usually takes a pretty special level of quarterback. 184 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: And I was talking to Jake Butt, former Michigan tight 185 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: end before the show started today. He works with the 186 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: Big Ten Network, and I just bumped into him in 187 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: the hallway here and he said, you know, that's that 188 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: is the thing with JJ McCarthy, because Jake went to 189 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: Michigan McCarthy a Wolverine, is that he always sort of 190 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: had that confidence. Is that he was just always a 191 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: guy that believed in himself and Harbaugh believed in him. 192 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: And his reputation was he was a gamer, like he 193 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: played his back when he had to play his best, 194 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: and that's what he did. 195 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 4: So so much. 196 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: Of quarterback play is how do you play on the road, 197 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: how do you play trailing? How do you play now? 198 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: He did have the advantage of a pretty substantial run 199 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: effort of the Vikings, so that's some of it. But 200 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's it's it is not how you 201 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: start in this league, it is how you finished. 202 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: That's what we remember. And so. 203 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: My gut feeling is JJ McCarthy will look much more 204 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: like the fourth quarter JJ than the first quarter. I mean, 205 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to go off of you know, 206 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: any good quarterback can go on script, but the special 207 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: guys are good off script. And so that's what's disturbing 208 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: about Caleb Williams. He leads the NFL the last eighteen games, 209 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: and overthrows the operations are a problem. Pre Snap's he 210 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: completed sixty five percent of his throws, are slightly less 211 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: on the layoffs, on the stuff six yards and under. 212 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 4: So you're like, what is he good at the layups? Overthrows? 213 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: So he's got you know, he's got a ton of horsepower, 214 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: but I mean there's listen, the more you start breaking 215 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: down the stats on Caleb Williams, the more discouraging it is. 216 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 4: There's not a lot. 217 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: It really reminded me of a less refined Cam Newton. 218 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: Cam had his moment I never felt like I never 219 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: I didn't love Cam's mechanics and he was always a 220 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: bit distracted. 221 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: But Cam could get on heaters with accuracy. Cam could have. 222 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: You know, he could have a four game stretch where 223 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Cam was really humming, really feeling it. I would just 224 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: like to see, you know, I would like to see 225 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: a half off script of Caleb Williams performing at a 226 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: high level. That's what i'd like, that's what I'd like 227 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: to see, and so listen. It is like I'll give 228 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: you an example like Bryce Young last year, at the 229 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: end of the year, Bryce Young played pretty pretty well. 230 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 4: Now it doesn't mean he was winning. 231 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: In Week one, Bryce got beat by Jacksonville, but if 232 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: you went to the PFF rankings, Bryce Young's were pretty decent. 233 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: PFF's like, NOI grades higher than the result. The problem 234 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: is off script, Caleb grades worse than your gut feeling, 235 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: your hunch. When you go look at all the it's 236 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: it's worse. So there's there's there's not a lot there. 237 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: You know, this this league. If you go look at 238 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: the greatest plays by Brady and Peyton, Manning and Breeze, 239 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: they are not highlight plays. 240 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: They're really not. They're mostly timing routes. 241 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, now, Tom had a couple over the top 242 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 1: throws one against the Jets the Randy Muss, But most 243 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: of Tom, Manning, and Breeze, most of their great moments 244 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: were timing stuff. 245 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 4: A perfectly thrown ball. 246 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: In the seam to beat the safety by a half step. 247 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: That's where the highlights are. So now, now Mahomes is 248 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of the same. He's got some of that, 249 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: and he's got some great plays, but it's there's there's 250 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: not a lot to wrap your arms around. Usually as 251 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: a coach you're looking for stuff to wrap your arm 252 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: around and say, Okay, here's what we do. Well, there's 253 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: not a lot. 254 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,479 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the Herd weekdays 255 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: and noone Easter, not a Empacific. 256 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: And with that, twenty three years seven times Super Bowl 257 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: champ Tom Brady is now joining us live. Tom has 258 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: always it's great to see how are things. 259 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 11: Let's have calling NFL season Week two, let's go. 260 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: You know, I was saying about JJ McCarthy, let's start. 261 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: You're a Michigan guy. Is that he's got a little 262 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I thought you were a guy like when 263 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: I think emotional players, Baker's a guy that when Baker 264 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: gets into a run, his chest puffs out, his velocity increases, 265 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: his accuracy increases, he wears his emotions on his sleeve. 266 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't feel that with you. I didn't feel that. 267 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't think Michael Pennix is that. But when I 268 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: watched JJ fourth quarter hits justin Jefferson on the sideline Tom. 269 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: It was like, I gave him be twelve shot, he 270 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 4: puffed out three. And it's take me through that about 271 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 4: how emotion. 272 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Affected you positively or negative, Because I think JJ is 273 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: an emotional player. 274 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 11: I absolutely love it when I see that type of emotion. 275 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 11: I think it brings you to kind of higher level 276 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 11: of focus. Stands in there, takes a hit, makes a 277 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 11: great throw, and that game is all about emotional being 278 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 11: at kind of a feverish and feverish pitch but also controlled. 279 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 11: And I could get there emotionally in a way that 280 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 11: probably didn't look like it on my face. I think 281 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 11: JJ just expresses that a little bit more. I always think, like, 282 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 11: watch golf a lot, and I see these golfers hit 283 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 11: these holden ones and they like fit their cap and 284 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 11: they're like, and I'm like, man. 285 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 3: I'd be going crazy. 286 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 11: And I love Ryder Cup style golfer guys are fist pumping, 287 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 11: and I just think that emotion when you're electrified as 288 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 11: a player, you play with the most focused, the most anticipation. 289 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 11: Everything ends up being at the highest sense of kind 290 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 11: of the alertness. 291 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: So I love that aspect of his game. You know, 292 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: he's just got to keep that. 293 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 11: Going for a long time that I believe is part 294 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 11: of your conditioning and that ability to elevate your teammates 295 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 11: as well in those big moments. And I love seeing 296 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 11: that from a Michigan man. 297 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: So we all know during your dynasty there were some 298 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: things we could bank on. Belichick's defensive coaching, your efficiency. 299 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: You guys always had a better than average run game. 300 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: Lost in a lot of your success. The two winning 301 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: his teams the last twenty five years have been Green 302 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: Bay and your team's why Well, why is that? And 303 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: I would argue this offensive line play. The Packers almost 304 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: never have a bad online and because of Dante Scarnecci, 305 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: you didn't. So Mahomes now is in a difference situation. 306 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: He has now been blown out twice in Super Bowls, 307 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: once by you because of deterioration of O line play. 308 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: So their tackles Tom in Week one grated incredibly poorly. 309 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: So you didn't have a lot of that deterioration. But 310 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: go to games in which I remember that Giant Super Bowl. 311 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: The first play of the game, I was with a 312 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: friend and the Giants rushed through and I said, was it? 313 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: Tom's in trouble? They lost all four battles up front 314 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: when the offensive line is deteriorating, go to your career. 315 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: What does it do for a great quarterback? 316 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 11: Well, I always say you control the line of scrimmage, 317 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 11: you control the game. So when you control both sides 318 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 11: of the line of scrimmage, you have a huge opportunity 319 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 11: for success. And it takes someone like Patrick Mahomes to 320 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 11: kind of have that Mahomes magic and pull the rabbit 321 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 11: out of his hat in order to keep his team 322 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 11: in the game. And he's had a lot of unique 323 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 11: offensive line combinations Patrick has. 324 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 3: They've been trying to find. 325 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 11: A left hackle at that position for a long time 326 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 11: in that offense, and it's a challenge because it affects 327 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 11: the way the quarterback feels like, can I really sit 328 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 11: back there and do I trust my teammates up front 329 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 11: to be able to protect me long enough so that 330 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 11: I could see down the field to read the coverage 331 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 11: and then make a very decisive, accurate throw. So he's 332 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 11: got to find a way to overcome that, and he 333 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 11: has in so many ways. In Patrick had even though 334 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 11: despite his stats being down a little bit last year, 335 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 11: I still think he had an incredible season. They won 336 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 11: fifteen games, and you see that throw on the run 337 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 11: right there. There's only a few guys that could make 338 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 11: that throw. Patrick's one of them, and he is so 339 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 11: poised back there. And I think they're actually with, you know, 340 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 11: thinking about that offensive line with the rookie Simmons, with 341 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 11: Sue Mattie who's in there as a second around pick 342 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 11: from last year, Create Humphrey there and Tray Smith at 343 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 11: right guard, They're set up to have a pretty good 344 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 11: offensive line as they gel and grow together. 345 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: So that would be great for Patrick to. 346 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 11: Feel like he has some confidence to stand back there 347 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 11: because the Super Bowl look so much of that game 348 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 11: ended up being can we block the Eagles defensive front? 349 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 11: And that Eagles defensive front played their tail off that game, 350 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 11: and really. 351 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: The Chiefs had no chance when they were rushing that well. 352 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: I remember years ago, I've referenced this several times. You 353 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: were talking to Jay Glazer and it was I think 354 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: it was after a practice because everybody else was clear, 355 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: and you said you were still. 356 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 4: In New England. 357 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: You said, you know, Jay, I've seen every coverage. You 358 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: can beat me, but you're not going to fool me. 359 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: I've seen everyone, and you've been very vocal about the 360 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: pre snap operational side has deteriorated. Is there a quarterback though, 361 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: right now in the league that you look at a 362 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: pre snap and you're like, yeah, you can see it. 363 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: I can see he's operating at a different level. Is 364 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: there one or two guys and I would imagine they're 365 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: older that you look and you can tell from he movement, 366 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: you can tell from the directions that you can tell 367 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: pre snap or elite. 368 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 11: Well, Matt Stafford just jumps to the top of my mind, 369 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 11: and I'll tell you why. When you see someone do 370 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 11: these no look passes like he did last week, he 371 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 11: knows where the defense is going to be aligned, so 372 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 11: he knows okay, he sees a certain coverage, he knows 373 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 11: the high low combination that's going to work against that coverage. 374 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 11: So he stares at the load defender, draws the coverage 375 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 11: to the load defender, stares at the load defender, and 376 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 11: then throws it to the higher receiver in the combination. 377 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: So that is an elite. 378 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 11: Level of play in his ability to recognize defenses and 379 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 11: then make those type of throws. 380 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: So he's the one. And again, he's a veteran quarterback. 381 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 11: He's played a lot of football I think Patrick really 382 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 11: understands the games and nations like that as well. 383 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: But you're right, there's just not a lot. 384 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 11: There's a lot more I would say physical development happening 385 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 11: happening at a younger age, but less I would say 386 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 11: mental emotional development from quarterbacks. And you know, I had 387 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 11: a chance to talk to Andy Reid about that. I 388 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 11: had a chance to talk to Patrick Mahomes about that 389 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 11: this week. One of the they said, Look, Patrick flat 390 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 11: out said, I can't thank Alex Smith enough for everything 391 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 11: that he did for me. All I did was ask 392 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 11: him questions in the meeting room my first year. And 393 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 11: I look at my first year, that's all I did. 394 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 11: With Drew Bledsoe, Aaron Rodgers had three years to sit 395 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 11: behind Brett farv Eli Manning. 396 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: Sat behind Kurt Warner. There's a lot of guys. 397 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 11: And I would say a lot of successful players that 398 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 11: weren't kind of thrown into the fire because what happens 399 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 11: is you can lose your confidence so fast because when 400 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 11: when the real games are happening, the blitzes are coming, 401 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 11: and then you don't understand protection and you don't understand coverage, 402 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 11: and you start taking hits and you start throwing interceptions. 403 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 11: You begin to lose confidence that, hey, I don't even 404 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 11: know how to play football. I don't know how to 405 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 11: go down and lead our team to score points. I 406 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 11: can't even make and complete a pass. So if you're 407 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 11: sitting in the meeting room and learning, I actually think 408 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 11: that's the best way to learn, because you can understand 409 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 11: it on the board, you can understand it on the 410 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 11: video screen, you can go out to a walkthrough, and 411 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 11: then you can learn and practice by making a lot 412 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 11: of you know, good decisions, bad decisions without necessarily being 413 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 11: critique from the outside world and lose it. You know, Look, 414 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 11: you got PFF grade in you every week, like you 415 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 11: were just referencing there before I came on. They're grading you, 416 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 11: and now you go as a first year quarterback you 417 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 11: barely know and now everyone's telling you suck, and it 418 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 11: takes a while to regain your confidence. You lose your 419 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 11: whole fan base, and it's it's really unfortunate, but that's 420 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 11: that's very much the state of the league. And I 421 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 11: think we've dumbed down the game in so many ways 422 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 11: to allow for a less or caliber developed player to 423 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 11: get in there and lead an organization. 424 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: So you know, I always had this theory that quarterbacking 425 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: should be easier. Now you have personal coaching seven on 426 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: seven camps. I mean, guys like you and Drew Bledsoe 427 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: and Troy Aikman have told me like I literally had, like, 428 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, eight high school games a year. 429 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: You know, you're like I had forty starts, including high school. 430 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: Well, guys now have ten thousand snaps by the time 431 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: they're fourteen years old. So I've always said as a 432 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: sports commentator, I used to give guys three years. My 433 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: argument now is Thanksgiving year two, the GM, the coach, 434 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: the coordinator need to go upstairs in a room privately, 435 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: raise their hands yes or no. And I don't care 436 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: where you drafted him. I would give Caleb eleven more weeks. 437 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, let's go upstairs. Is that fair? I know 438 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: it sounds kind of harsh, but Thanksgiving year two. I 439 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: believe quarterbacks if they're if they the operations aren't there, 440 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: he's not the guy. 441 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 4: Is that too soon? 442 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 443 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 11: But I would argue this, you're assuming that everybody knows 444 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 11: how to develop a quarterback. You're assuming that you're going 445 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 11: into a program. 446 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm telling you this is not. 447 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 11: There's a lot of people who have no idea what 448 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 11: they're doing when they're tasked with coaching a quarterback or 449 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 11: calling an offense. So are you saying, I mean, just 450 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 11: like we'd rank quarterbacks one to thirty two, do you 451 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 11: rank offensive coordinators one to thirty two? Do you rank 452 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 11: quarterback coaches one to thirty two? Well, what if you 453 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 11: had the thirty second ranked coordinator in someone's mind with 454 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 11: the thirty second ranked quarterback coach, how is he getting 455 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 11: a level of development that the guy who's first is getting. 456 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 11: When I got to the Patriots, I sat behind Drew 457 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 11: who was a franchise quarterback. 458 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: Right in my second year. 459 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 11: It's training camp, and we had a very good quarterback 460 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 11: coach named Dick Rayvine. 461 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: And God rest his soul. 462 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 11: Unfortunately he passed away in training camp and of a 463 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 11: heart attack, and it was a very difficult loss for 464 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 11: our team. And the way that we found a way 465 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 11: to continue on that season is Bill Belichick became more 466 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 11: of a quarterback coach than we ever imagine him being 467 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 11: a quarterback coach. He was a defensive He was obviously 468 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 11: a head coach, very involved in defensive game planning, but 469 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 11: he decided to come in every week and talk to 470 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,719 Speaker 11: the quarterbacks about coverage. 471 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 3: All right, guys, and he would do these. 472 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 11: Big write ups and they still have MOLL because I 473 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 11: kept everything com This is Cover one. This is how 474 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 11: they play it. This is who we're responsible for who. Okay, 475 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 11: if we line up in a bunch formation, this is 476 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 11: how they're going to handle the bunch formation. 477 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: This is why they do that. This is the weakness 478 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: of that, why they do that. You shouldn't do this 479 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 3: if this is how they cover this. Okay, this is 480 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 3: Cover two. This is how they cover. 481 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 11: This is the they play two variations of Cover two 482 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 11: when they're in this variation. Is what they're treund's up 483 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 11: when they're in this various This is what they're trunds up. Okay, 484 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 11: this is Cover four. This is how this team uniquely 485 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 11: plays couple four. We shouldn't line up in this formation 486 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 11: to try to run this concept for one year. I 487 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 11: had for actually more years beyond that. That's how I 488 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 11: developed and learned. Oh defense calls a certain play. This 489 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 11: is how we can We can put them in this 490 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 11: formation and they can back the coverage off and I'll 491 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 11: have a short thrown reason. Oh great, I love that. 492 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 11: Let's do that. Nobody is getting that type of development. 493 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 11: So I learned from an offensive standpoint, watching Drew and 494 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 11: having very good offensive coaches. Then I had a defensive coach, 495 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 11: the best one of all time, teach me how to 496 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 11: read defenses, you know. Then I would go out and 497 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 11: meet with player personnel, people you know, who are very talented. Okay, 498 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 11: we go through the entire defensive lineup. Okay, these are 499 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 11: all the things that this defense does. This is what 500 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 11: this player does well. This player does well, this player 501 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 11: does well. That's development. You're giving people knowledge and information 502 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 11: that you could take to the field so that you 503 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 11: could play with confidence and anticipation, and that would free 504 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 11: you up to play a very aggressive style of football. 505 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 11: So I'm saying, what if you're a quarterback, then you 506 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 11: go to a system and they don't teach you coverage. 507 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 3: They don't teach you cover one, they don't teach you cover. 508 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 11: Two, they don't teach you cover four, they don't have 509 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 11: personnel meanings. They give you an offensive game plan and 510 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 11: they go all right, but here you go figure it out, 511 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 11: and after Thanksgiving of your second year, they're going, man, 512 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 11: this guy just can't play anymore. 513 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: He stinks. 514 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 11: He you know, he can't recover. It's like, dude, would 515 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 11: did you teach him anything? Did you groom him? Did 516 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 11: you spend time after practice? Did you work on the 517 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 11: physical parts of his game? Did you work on his 518 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 11: throwing mechanics? Did you work on his drops? Did you 519 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 11: work on the mental parts of a game? Did you 520 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 11: understand how to help him study film better? So all 521 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 11: these aspects physical part about football. The physical part is 522 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 11: one aspect I got was one hundred and ninety nine 523 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 11: pick in the draft because so many people were focused 524 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 11: on a physical skill. Tom Brady two week couldn't stand 525 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 11: in the pocket, you know, is if he gets hit, 526 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 11: he's going to go down. You know, lacks are really 527 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 11: strong arm. That was kind of bull. But what I 528 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 11: really understood the mental emotional part. I could bring a consistent, competitive, 529 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 11: winning attitude to the to the game every day, or 530 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 11: to practice and the games every single week. Mentally, I 531 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 11: could absorb information you could give me, just like Belichick did, 532 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 11: pages of notes, and I could process those things and 533 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 11: then take them to the field and play with the anticipation. 534 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 11: So what I lacked for maybe in a bit of 535 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 11: physical development, I far exceeded a lot of other people 536 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 11: in mental emotional development, and that's a hard thing to evaluate. 537 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: But I'd also say. 538 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 11: There's not many people who even know what to do. 539 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 11: You know, it's not like they're CEOs of businesses. And 540 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 11: a lot of times they're football coaches, with all due respect, 541 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 11: they're not running large corporations. You know, as Bill Parcel said, 542 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 11: you know, they're pe coaches. A lot of times they 543 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 11: get elevated to you. 544 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 3: Know, coaching positions. 545 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's funny. 546 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: I said. 547 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: The I thought Jaden Daniels last year, not because he 548 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: can move or he has a nice arm. It was 549 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: the best rookie quarterback I'd ever seen in terms of poise. 550 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: Two minute drill that had to play now. Mahomes was great, 551 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: but he got to sit behind you know, Alex Smith, 552 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: who's the great, the great teacher, but I mean drafted 553 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: play now go. And I was thinking about this and 554 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: the thing that blew me away with him and Kingsbury 555 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: was saying this in camp, and I remember being on 556 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: their saying, Cliff slowed down, you're raising the bike. Cliff's like, 557 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: I can't believe this kid, And I'm like, guys, he's 558 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: a rookie, bring it down his poise And you. 559 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 4: Know what I think about this is crazy. 560 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: You had this at a very early age, your first 561 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: year starting right replacing Drew. 562 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 4: Is it parenting? 563 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 3: Like? 564 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 4: I think it's innate that sometimes. 565 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: Have right like And I watched Jayden and I'm gonna 566 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: look his parents up. 567 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: What did his parents do? He was so. 568 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: Cool and calm. I don't think you can teach that. 569 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm watching him in week three there's a buck twenty 570 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: on the clock, no facial expression. 571 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, that's not that's from home. That's from something. 572 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: I believe. 573 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: The one thing you can't teach nobody can teach it 574 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: is you are either calm in crisis or you're not that. 575 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: If you're anxious in a teeth clencher, it never goes away. 576 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: No matter how good you can, you can get explain 577 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: that you had it? 578 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 4: Jaden had it? Did you learn it? Did you have 579 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 4: it when you were twelve? 580 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: Yeah? 581 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 11: There's poise and composure in big moments that I do 582 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 11: think separates kind of elite performers. And I would say 583 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 11: it's probably a high sense of self confidence in big situations. 584 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: You see that with Patrick Mahomes. 585 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 11: I think he's probably one of my favorite ones in 586 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 11: the NFL right. 587 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: For a lot of reasons. 588 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 11: But you see his face in big moments, it just 589 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 11: doesn't seem it's a big moment for everybody else except him. 590 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 11: And the difference is he actually looks more focused and 591 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 11: more urgent and more. 592 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 3: Ready to go. 593 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 11: And you know, you, you, you know, you just he's 594 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 11: just so laser focused. And there's some guys that play 595 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 11: like that, and there's others that look a little bit phrenetic. 596 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 11: I mean tiger woods, like tiger woods look like that 597 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 11: in golf. The bigger the moment, you know, the more 598 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 11: determined he looked. That's probably the right word. And there's 599 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 11: certain people who have I would say, no fear of failure, 600 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 11: and that allows you, that frees you up to go 601 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 11: out and be your best because people that fear of failure, 602 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 11: well then that means they're trying to control it. And 603 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 11: when you feel that lack of control or lack of confidence, 604 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 11: well people can see it on your face. 605 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: A lot of times, you could see it in the 606 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 3: eyes of the quarterback. 607 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 11: So you know, Jaden is very impressive and everything that 608 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 11: he's done, certainly his last year was one of the 609 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 11: great rookie seasons of any young quarterback. 610 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: And again, you know we had. 611 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 11: Him last week, we had Commanders, Giants. I'm always looking 612 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 11: for Okay, that's great. What's the next step in development? 613 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 11: And then the next step and the next step and 614 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 11: the next step. And you know, from the time that 615 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 11: you start to the time you finished, they're just continues. 616 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 11: There needs to be an upward trajectory every single year 617 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 11: based on all the things that you experience, and so 618 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 11: a lot of things that happen physically, mentally, emotionally over 619 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 11: the course of a career life on the field off 620 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 11: the field that you need to be able to grow 621 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 11: with as you get a little bit older and you 622 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 11: continue to develop. 623 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: All right, big game this weekend ratings are up, Tom, 624 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: you sounded great. You sounded comfortable, and uh, congratulations and 625 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: all that stuff. 626 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: Hey, good start for everybody. You know what it is. 627 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 3: I got the best team in the world. 628 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 11: I got the best partner Kevin Burkhardt next to me, 629 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 11: Aaron and Tom on the field, Zee and Rus down 630 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 11: in the truck along with everybody else. And I love 631 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 11: my team at Fox. I know we're just going to 632 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 11: keep getting better. We're going to stay humble, We're going 633 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 11: to stay hungry. We're just going to keep working as 634 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 11: hard as we can to show up for one another 635 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 11: and try to provide the viewer with the best possible experience. 636 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: And this week America's Game of the Week four. 637 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 11: Five Sunday Eagles at chief couldn't get. 638 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 3: A better game? Super Bowl rematch. I am fired up, 639 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 3: and it's Thursday afternoon. 640 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: Let's go, Tom Brady LFG, let's go. I'll leave the 641 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: FLT the two. 642 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: Let's go. 643 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: All right, thanks buddy, that's right, all right, Tom Brady, 644 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: he's all fired up. 645 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 4: That was Tom Brady. You got a little Tom Brady 646 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 4: as if he was in the huddle. 647 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 3: I love that. 648 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs are a home dog for the second time ever 649 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes as a starting quarterback. 650 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 4: What would be the first? 651 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: Was it when Brady went there and beat him in 652 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: the possibly listen to Buffalo? 653 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 4: Maybe the Buffalo? 654 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: Is it when Buffalo they beat Buffalo the thirteen second game? 655 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: Was Buffalo favored in that one? 656 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 4: So Colin, I think I've been here. Is this your three? 657 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 5: I don't know whatever it is, three or four on 658 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 5: this show? I think that may be the single greatest interview. 659 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 5: I'm like taking notes, like he said some unbelievable stuff, 660 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 5: specifically about quarterbacks that. 661 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 4: You and I should be talking about out air. I 662 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 4: love that Tom. I was amazing. I mean, you know 663 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 4: this incredible stuff. 664 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: The only other instance it was, oh okay, it was 665 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: week six and twenty twenty two. 666 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 4: It was not the playoff game. 667 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: It was weeks six Bills a bad success against Kansas City, 668 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: just not in January, so it was week six they 669 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: beat him, and over the last four seasons, the Eagles 670 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: and the Chiefs are tied for the best record in 671 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: the NFL. I like Philadelphia by a touchdown or more. 672 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia. If you lined up twelve best player 673 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: in the game, I think nine are Eagles. Now I 674 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: get Andy Reid, I get Arrowhead, and I also get 675 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: a Chiefs team off a loss, so they're going to 676 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: be salty, so that it's gonna be somewhat close. But 677 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: a boy, in terms of roster composition, if Xavier Worthy 678 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: can play, that helps. 679 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 4: There's a report now that Worthy may. 680 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 5: Be at practice today with his teammates. That'sally just emerging 681 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 5: right now. But I can't expect him to play. Come on, 682 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 5: it's a it's a long game. You don't want him 683 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 5: to play in week two. Come on, Tom Brady. Nobody 684 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 5: else like him, even on our show.