WEBVTT - Five Burning Travel Questions with Malcolm Gladwell 0:00:15.356 --> 0:00:24.316 Pushkin. Hello, Hello everyone, Malcolm Glabwey here, I'm back in 0:00:24.316 --> 0:00:27.276 the feet a bit early with a little amused boush 0:00:27.436 --> 0:00:29.516 before we come to the finale of our Gun series 0:00:29.556 --> 0:00:33.796 on Thursday, Airbnb, one of our loyal sponsors, asked if 0:00:33.796 --> 0:00:37.276 we could do an episode about travel, because, of course 0:00:37.556 --> 0:00:40.076 arabbnb is all about travel, and as you may or 0:00:40.116 --> 0:00:42.676 may not know, I do a lot of travel. I 0:00:42.716 --> 0:00:45.436 am well over a million frequent flyer miles on United 0:00:45.476 --> 0:00:51.276 at this point. I've been to Manila, Hong Kong, Las Vegas, Washington, 0:00:51.316 --> 0:00:55.276 d C, Detroit, and Grand Rapids in just the last month. 0:00:55.716 --> 0:00:58.356 And if you're wondering, my favorite of all those places, 0:00:58.596 --> 0:01:03.876 not even close, Grand Rapids. Love Grand Rabbits. Why doesn't 0:01:03.916 --> 0:01:06.396 everyone live in Grand Rapids. I don't get it anyway, 0:01:06.956 --> 0:01:09.676 Airbnb travel me it all seemed like an actual fit. 0:01:10.236 --> 0:01:12.676 But before we hit the road about the Gun series, 0:01:12.916 --> 0:01:16.716 your responses so far have been phenomenal. Please keep sending 0:01:16.716 --> 0:01:19.796 in your thoughts. There's a contact form at revisionististory dot 0:01:19.836 --> 0:01:22.876 com and next month Maria Konokoba and I will talk 0:01:22.916 --> 0:01:26.196 about some of the feedback, but for now, a little 0:01:26.276 --> 0:01:33.196 side trip a revisionist history Getaway. Five burning travel questions 0:01:33.756 --> 0:01:38.236 with Malcolm Glapa. First question, which I've been asking myself 0:01:38.276 --> 0:01:41.716 for at least thirty years. Given the choice, should you 0:01:42.036 --> 0:01:45.076 ever go to Las Vegas? I'm asking this question because 0:01:45.076 --> 0:01:47.876 I'm in Las Vegas right now, not by choice for work. 0:01:48.236 --> 0:01:51.156 And instead of trying to answer this question rationally with 0:01:51.236 --> 0:01:54.716 the benefit of reasoned argument and academic scholarship, as is 0:01:54.756 --> 0:01:57.876 our standard practice on revisionist history, I'm just going to 0:01:57.916 --> 0:02:01.076 play you some short clips of the music that has 0:02:01.116 --> 0:02:04.356 been played for my enjoyment as I sit by the 0:02:04.396 --> 0:02:08.276 hotel pool. Oh my god, this is My brain is 0:02:08.356 --> 0:02:11.996 killing me right now. It's nuts. Everywhere you go in 0:02:12.076 --> 0:02:20.476 Las Vegas. This is what you hear everywhere. First question, 0:02:20.836 --> 0:02:24.396 who would willingly listen to this music? Do you know 0:02:24.436 --> 0:02:26.556 anyone who does? Have you ever been over to someone's 0:02:26.556 --> 0:02:29.116 house for dinner or just to hang out and they say, oh, 0:02:29.276 --> 0:02:32.476 let me put on a little house music while we chat. No, 0:02:33.276 --> 0:02:36.516 you have it. But clearly, at some point early in 0:02:36.556 --> 0:02:39.236 the history of Las Vegas, all of the city fathers 0:02:39.476 --> 0:02:41.356 must have gotten together in a room. I'm guessing it 0:02:41.396 --> 0:02:45.116 was convened by Bugsy Seagull, the mobster who founded Las Vegas, 0:02:45.236 --> 0:02:48.156 and Bugsy was like, gentlemen, We're going to create a 0:02:48.196 --> 0:02:51.116 great city in the desert. People from all over the world, 0:02:51.196 --> 0:02:53.436 of every creed and religion, of every shape and size, 0:02:53.636 --> 0:02:55.836 rich and poor, great and small will come here to 0:02:55.876 --> 0:02:59.476 this glamorous oasis to gamble away their life savings. What 0:02:59.676 --> 0:03:02.956 music shall we play them? And all the guys said, 0:03:07.076 --> 0:03:08.716 And then the little old guy who wanted to open 0:03:08.756 --> 0:03:11.516 a high and jewelry store maybe with mister Harry Winston 0:03:12.036 --> 0:03:15.036 raises his hand and said, but mister Bugsy, I'm trying 0:03:15.036 --> 0:03:17.876 to attract a sophisticated clientele. Is it okay if I 0:03:17.876 --> 0:03:21.476 play Schubert? And Bugsy gets all scary and angry and 0:03:21.516 --> 0:03:24.036 bangs his fist on the table and says, no, Harry, 0:03:24.036 --> 0:03:26.356 you schmuck, that goes against everything I'm trying to do 0:03:26.476 --> 0:03:34.956 with this oasis in the desert. You must play. I mean, 0:03:35.076 --> 0:03:37.676 this is like the craziest thing ever. Maybe there are 0:03:37.716 --> 0:03:40.396 some sixteen year olds out there who like music like this, 0:03:40.676 --> 0:03:43.316 but I'm looking around the pool. There are no sixteen 0:03:43.396 --> 0:03:50.716 year olds here. It's all cranky old people like me. 0:03:51.596 --> 0:03:54.476 You know how, in hostage situations sometimes they try and 0:03:54.516 --> 0:03:56.396 force the bad guy to give up by playing like 0:03:56.476 --> 0:04:00.116 heavy metal really loudly all night long. I should be 0:04:00.196 --> 0:04:02.836 so lucky to be a hostage taker hearing heavy metal 0:04:02.916 --> 0:04:08.196 right now. So short answer to question number one, No, 0:04:08.636 --> 0:04:12.156 don't do it. Don't go to Las Vegas ever unless 0:04:12.196 --> 0:04:18.236 you absolutely have to. All right, Question number two, what 0:04:18.356 --> 0:04:22.436 was the greatest road trip of my life? I think 0:04:22.476 --> 0:04:26.116 it was my first road trip summer I believe of 0:04:26.196 --> 0:04:29.516 nineteen eighty two. My friend Terry and I were at 0:04:29.516 --> 0:04:33.196 that moment obsessed with Alger Hiss, the State Department official 0:04:33.356 --> 0:04:35.836 who in nineteen forty eight was famously accused of being 0:04:35.876 --> 0:04:39.676 a Soviet spy. Biggest story of the day. Huge drama ensues. 0:04:39.716 --> 0:04:41.876 It goes on for years, with one side saying he's 0:04:41.916 --> 0:04:44.396 innocent and the other side saying he's guilty. 0:04:45.356 --> 0:04:47.556 Were you ever a Communist spy, mister Hiss? 0:04:47.596 --> 0:04:50.396 No, I was not either a communist nor a spy. 0:04:51.676 --> 0:04:55.396 That's him, and Terry and I were firmly of the 0:04:55.556 --> 0:04:59.796 he's guilty camp. So early one August morning, before dawn 0:04:59.836 --> 0:05:02.396 we wake up, Terry won't tell me beforehand what time 0:05:02.396 --> 0:05:04.716 we're leaving because he says he doesn't want and this 0:05:04.836 --> 0:05:08.316 is his exact phrase to pierce the cloud of unknowing. 0:05:09.316 --> 0:05:12.116 We get into his mom's Pontiac. We drive from our 0:05:12.116 --> 0:05:15.956 little town in rural southern Ontario straight to Washington, d C. 0:05:16.236 --> 0:05:20.636 Ten hours, and we visit every house Algerhiss lived in 0:05:20.796 --> 0:05:24.396 during his long career of treachery, up to and including 0:05:24.596 --> 0:05:27.276 the famous town house in Georgetown on p Street where 0:05:27.316 --> 0:05:31.196 so much of his skull duggery allegedly went down. We 0:05:31.356 --> 0:05:34.556 pull up, We knock in the door, two scruffy teenagers 0:05:34.556 --> 0:05:37.356 from rural Canada who haven't shaved or showered, or slept 0:05:37.596 --> 0:05:39.756 or really even eaten for several days. Because we had 0:05:39.796 --> 0:05:44.316 no money. All we had was our youthful, mocksy and enthusiasm. 0:05:44.916 --> 0:05:48.316 So the door opens and we say, are you aware 0:05:48.316 --> 0:05:50.316 that you're living in the house of the notorious American 0:05:50.316 --> 0:05:54.076 Cold War trader Alger Hiss. They look at us blankly 0:05:54.556 --> 0:05:57.236 and we're off. Our job is done. Then afterwards we 0:05:57.316 --> 0:06:00.036 write up findings in a little essay called The Many 0:06:00.076 --> 0:06:03.356 Houses of Alger Hiss, which opened with a long, florid, 0:06:03.436 --> 0:06:06.236 damning summary of the facts of the case ending of 0:06:06.276 --> 0:06:09.996 the line, all of which leads to the one overwhelming question, 0:06:11.036 --> 0:06:13.996 who was this man? They called alter hiss and where 0:06:13.996 --> 0:06:17.116 did he live? I mean, how do you top that? Later? 0:06:17.236 --> 0:06:21.556 Terry and I did a modified ballpark tour Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, 0:06:21.596 --> 0:06:25.396 Yankee Stadium. But everyone does one of those who does 0:06:25.436 --> 0:06:28.636 the many houses of outer your hiss. Now you might 0:06:28.676 --> 0:06:31.956 think that this was just some youthful fancy, a teenage lark. 0:06:32.076 --> 0:06:36.996 But take out your phone. Google George F. Baker, the 0:06:37.036 --> 0:06:40.676 third Harvard University. You'll see a picture of a handsome 0:06:40.716 --> 0:06:46.796 guy right around my age. The first name Terry, professor 0:06:46.796 --> 0:06:53.676 of what Russian studies? Baby? How many road trips set 0:06:53.756 --> 0:07:01.156 in motion a lifetime of scholarship? Okay? Question number three? 0:07:01.476 --> 0:07:04.916 Do some parts of the United States pose particular problems 0:07:04.916 --> 0:07:12.476 for travelers? Are there states the novice traveler should avoid? Answer? Yes, absolutely, 0:07:13.756 --> 0:07:17.156 North Carolina. No one talks about this, but it's a 0:07:17.196 --> 0:07:20.316 long standing pet peeve of mine. I was actually chatting 0:07:20.356 --> 0:07:22.916 with my friends Michael Specter and Dye Zoc recently about 0:07:22.916 --> 0:07:27.196 my travel theories, and it came up and acdotally there's 0:07:27.916 --> 0:07:31.916 a I did a talk in at wake Forest University 0:07:32.196 --> 0:07:36.036 and which is not weirdly in wake Forest, which I 0:07:36.036 --> 0:07:38.956 would point out because I nearly went to Wake Forest, 0:07:40.636 --> 0:07:45.076 which is like two hundred miles away. And when I 0:07:45.116 --> 0:07:48.276 told my host that, I I got so I finally 0:07:48.316 --> 0:07:52.236 I self corrected, like half nur in go to Winston Salem, 0:07:52.276 --> 0:07:54.556 which is where Wake Forest is. And then I was 0:07:54.596 --> 0:07:57.396 sort of outraged, goes like, what kind of trick is 0:07:57.436 --> 0:08:00.556 North Carolina playing on people? Where they put in Wake 0:08:00.596 --> 0:08:04.396 Forest University hundreds of miles from Wake Forest. And then 0:08:04.396 --> 0:08:05.956 when I told my host, oh, I nearly went to 0:08:05.996 --> 0:08:08.116 Wake Forest, They're like, oh yeah, people do that all time. 0:08:08.236 --> 0:08:12.156 It's like, I'm something, it's weird. Fix the problem, change 0:08:12.156 --> 0:08:14.756 the name. How hard is this? It's like it's been 0:08:14.756 --> 0:08:17.116 going on for hundreds of years. People have been going 0:08:17.156 --> 0:08:19.876 to Wake Forest in search of Wake Forest University. Like 0:08:19.916 --> 0:08:22.996 I said, no one talks about this, but it's kind 0:08:23.036 --> 0:08:26.036 of nuts. You land in Charlotte and you punch in 0:08:26.156 --> 0:08:29.996 Wake Forest on Ways and Ways says two hours forty 0:08:29.996 --> 0:08:34.196 two minutes, and you say, huh, that's weird. That's the 0:08:34.236 --> 0:08:37.436 other side of the state, right outside Raleigh. Why didn't 0:08:37.436 --> 0:08:39.956 I just fly to Raleigh? And you get halfway there 0:08:39.996 --> 0:08:42.316 and you think, oh, maybe I should double check, and 0:08:42.356 --> 0:08:46.396 you realize that North Carolina has devised a nefarious scheme 0:08:46.676 --> 0:08:52.796 to frustrate unsuspecting carpetbaggers arriving from the north. One hundred percent. 0:08:53.036 --> 0:08:55.316 This has something to do with the Civil War. Roberty 0:08:55.356 --> 0:08:57.836 Lee says, let's let it leak out that we're setting 0:08:57.916 --> 0:09:00.036 up for a last stand at wake Forest, and the 0:09:00.156 --> 0:09:03.516 Union Army spies hear this and say aha, and they 0:09:03.596 --> 0:09:06.076 muster everyone and they march up. What is now I 0:09:06.236 --> 0:09:10.036 eighty five only Lee, that old trickster. It means wake Forest, 0:09:10.076 --> 0:09:13.556 a school, not wake Forest, of town and somewhere around Lexington, 0:09:13.796 --> 0:09:19.316 he pounces, surprising the unsuspecting Union Army. I mean, that's 0:09:19.356 --> 0:09:24.036 the only explanation that makes sense. Wait, there's more, do 0:09:24.156 --> 0:09:27.676 I I have some travel faux past stories, like when 0:09:27.676 --> 0:09:30.436 I went to the wrong Columbia, the wrong. 0:09:30.876 --> 0:09:32.756 The country, No, no, the. 0:09:32.796 --> 0:09:38.196 University columb yesh was the Washington Post. Washington Post was 0:09:38.236 --> 0:09:42.916 obsessed with covering hurricanes Columbia, Maryland, and I was told 0:09:43.396 --> 0:09:47.796 there was a hurricane fast approaching the outer banks of 0:09:47.796 --> 0:09:52.316 North Carolina, and I was dispatched to Columbia just cover 0:09:52.396 --> 0:09:56.876 the hurricane. I landed Columbia, North Carolina, and there was 0:09:56.916 --> 0:10:01.516 no hurricane, and I called it and said, it's no hurricane. 0:10:01.556 --> 0:10:04.316 What are you guys talking about? Know this is hurricane No, No, 0:10:04.116 --> 0:10:07.236 I'm here, I'm here and there's no hurricane. Like, no, 0:10:07.276 --> 0:10:10.396 you can't be in Columbia, North Carolina because there's a 0:10:10.436 --> 0:10:12.996 hurricane going on there right now. And I looked around 0:10:13.036 --> 0:10:17.716 and I was like, oh, I'm in Columbia, South Carolina. 0:10:18.956 --> 0:10:25.756 To Columbia's in adjoining Carolinas. This is another This is 0:10:25.796 --> 0:10:28.116 like the this is like the Wake Forest thing all 0:10:28.156 --> 0:10:30.796 over again. This country is set up to fool the 0:10:30.876 --> 0:10:36.556 unsuspecting outsider. What kind of colossal failure of imagination is this? 0:10:37.076 --> 0:10:40.196 Someone in one of the Carolinas goes first and says, oh, 0:10:40.476 --> 0:10:43.036 I have a good idea, let's call our town Columbia. 0:10:43.516 --> 0:10:46.316 And then someone else a few years later says, oh, 0:10:46.556 --> 0:10:49.156 I have an even better idea, let's call our town 0:10:49.196 --> 0:10:52.076 Columbia as well, Because one of these days some dumb 0:10:52.156 --> 0:10:54.716 yankee is not going to realize that Columbia is like 0:10:54.756 --> 0:10:57.916 a generic Southern term for medium sized city with big 0:10:57.956 --> 0:11:01.116 city aspirations, and he's going to go to one Columbia 0:11:01.196 --> 0:11:04.436 well meaning to go to the other Columbia. And so 0:11:05.196 --> 0:11:09.516 for hundreds of years thereafter, countless well meaning people from 0:11:09.596 --> 0:11:13.316 the North go to the wrong Columbia. I mean, what 0:11:13.476 --> 0:11:16.916 happens if I had been a legendary brain surgeon flying 0:11:16.956 --> 0:11:19.916 down for a prestigious hospital in the Northeast to save 0:11:19.916 --> 0:11:22.796 the life of an adorable Southern toddler, and I go 0:11:22.876 --> 0:11:26.076 to the wrong Columbia. Did they think about that? No, 0:11:26.156 --> 0:11:29.556 they didn't. They were too busy chortling over their stupid 0:11:29.836 --> 0:11:36.196 little practical joke. Stay away from North Carolina, and while 0:11:36.196 --> 0:11:39.676 you're at it, stay away from reporting on the weather. Well. No, 0:11:39.796 --> 0:11:43.596 the horror story was there was Remember that terrible hurricane 0:11:43.676 --> 0:11:47.916 that hit Miami in the nineties, I forgot much work, the. 0:11:48.116 --> 0:11:49.836 One that flattened southern Florida. 0:11:49.956 --> 0:11:55.996 Yeah, Bill, my colleague Bill Booth, we didn't realize was 0:11:56.036 --> 0:11:57.716 as serious as it was. He went down there to 0:11:57.756 --> 0:12:00.516 cover it, and he returned home like two months later, 0:12:00.756 --> 0:12:03.316 And when I saw that, I realized that the mistake 0:12:03.396 --> 0:12:05.716 he made was doing a good job of covering. So 0:12:06.236 --> 0:12:08.516 that was when I decided that, I mean, actually, the 0:12:08.556 --> 0:12:12.116 Columbia thing happened. Just after that, I realized that there 0:12:12.116 --> 0:12:15.276 was no upside to being a good hurricane reporter, because 0:12:15.916 --> 0:12:17.916 the worst the hurricane is the longer you'll be away 0:12:17.916 --> 0:12:21.116 from home. You got to screw up early and often, 0:12:21.836 --> 0:12:25.316 so they turn elsewhere. So then I followed that up 0:12:25.356 --> 0:12:31.716 with a there was a hurricane in New Orleans, and 0:12:33.236 --> 0:12:36.556 I suggested that the best way to cover it was 0:12:36.596 --> 0:12:43.436 to approach it from the west. So I flew, I flew? 0:12:43.996 --> 0:12:47.276 Did I fly to Dallas? The whole thing was so preposterous. 0:12:47.316 --> 0:12:48.756 I spent like a day and a half in the 0:12:48.796 --> 0:12:50.996 car before I even got there, and then just said, 0:12:51.036 --> 0:12:52.596 I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't 0:12:52.636 --> 0:12:55.196 see it. Finally they gave up and let someone else 0:12:55.636 --> 0:12:58.676 take over. But there are there are certain tricks of 0:12:58.716 --> 0:13:01.436 self preservation in the journalism business, and one of them 0:13:01.476 --> 0:13:02.996 is to always do a bad job of something you 0:13:03.036 --> 0:13:07.916 don't want to do. Okay, coming up the big question, 0:13:08.396 --> 0:13:11.356 what do you do about traveling when you have a dog? 0:13:20.636 --> 0:13:23.236 So here's the big question. Why I gather my friends 0:13:23.236 --> 0:13:26.276 Michael Specter and Dyezarc for counsel. There's a lot of 0:13:26.316 --> 0:13:28.796 pressure right now in the global household for us to 0:13:28.796 --> 0:13:31.436 get a dog. If you do like an Internet history 0:13:31.476 --> 0:13:35.396 search on any laptop in the global household, it's just dogs. 0:13:36.116 --> 0:13:40.116 You type in B and Google autocompletes Burmese Labrador mix. 0:13:40.716 --> 0:13:43.676 That's where we're at right now now. I love dogs, 0:13:43.996 --> 0:13:46.196 but like I said, I travel a lot, and it's 0:13:46.196 --> 0:13:50.756 hard enough without having to factor in another needy living creature. 0:13:51.396 --> 0:13:53.916 So I wanted to ask Michael and I how they 0:13:54.036 --> 0:13:57.556 deal with the have dog, will travel problem. And I 0:13:57.556 --> 0:13:59.676 would like to start out just by having each of 0:13:59.716 --> 0:14:04.716 you please give us the name and type of dog 0:14:04.836 --> 0:14:07.796 you own, and also a brief word about your dog's temperament. 0:14:10.436 --> 0:14:13.076 My dog's name is Linus. He's five years old. He's 0:14:13.116 --> 0:14:15.996 a Woodle, which is a cross between a wheaten Terrier 0:14:16.036 --> 0:14:19.836 and a poodle, and his temperament is he is by 0:14:19.996 --> 0:14:23.276 far the mellowest person in the history of the Specter family. 0:14:24.756 --> 0:14:27.156 And Die I have. 0:14:27.076 --> 0:14:33.196 A black lab named Junebug. She's my third lab. She's 0:14:33.676 --> 0:14:37.076 like all my other labs, ambassador of love. 0:14:37.236 --> 0:14:37.596 She is. 0:14:38.516 --> 0:14:43.676 When I had to choose between two labs in a litter, 0:14:43.796 --> 0:14:47.596 they said, okay, we have two girls. One is ball 0:14:47.676 --> 0:14:51.356 obsessed and one is a snuggler. Which one do you want? 0:14:51.676 --> 0:14:55.316 And I was like, yes, you went with the snapler. 0:14:56.676 --> 0:14:59.236 So the obvious travel question, can you just put the 0:14:59.276 --> 0:15:00.076 dog on a plane. 0:15:00.756 --> 0:15:03.956 I have flown dogs before, and I have found it 0:15:03.996 --> 0:15:08.556 slightly traumatizing. Yeah, just a two thousand yards stare when 0:15:08.556 --> 0:15:09.716 they get off the I. 0:15:09.756 --> 0:15:11.956 Just just I mean, the dog just wants to be 0:15:12.036 --> 0:15:12.356 with you. 0:15:13.716 --> 0:15:16.916 Yeah, Linus really didn't care. He just is fairly mellow. 0:15:17.556 --> 0:15:20.356 I was traumatized. In fact, I flew Air Alaska that 0:15:20.436 --> 0:15:23.556 time because they're said to have the best dog flying program. 0:15:23.796 --> 0:15:26.156 When I got to my seat, there was a stewardess 0:15:26.196 --> 0:15:29.996 standing there with a piece of paper which said relax, 0:15:30.196 --> 0:15:33.636 Linus is already on board, which was really nice. Of 0:15:33.636 --> 0:15:36.276 course I knew that because I put a tracker on 0:15:36.356 --> 0:15:39.556 his collar because he was freaking out. 0:15:39.956 --> 0:15:43.596 So flying is problematic. But both Michael and I have 0:15:43.796 --> 0:15:46.476 driven cross country with their dog. How does that work? 0:15:46.996 --> 0:15:50.596 I started with Michael. Where does Linus sit? Is he 0:15:50.636 --> 0:15:51.996 in the front seat of the backseat? 0:15:52.076 --> 0:15:54.556 Back seat? He tries to go in the front, In fact, 0:15:54.556 --> 0:15:57.596 he tried it again last week. But the the problem 0:15:57.756 --> 0:16:00.276 is like, if you have some sort of accident and 0:16:00.396 --> 0:16:04.196 your airbag goes, your dog goes too. Oh yeah, so 0:16:04.876 --> 0:16:07.236 I've made a little shelf out of the back seat 0:16:07.316 --> 0:16:08.636 for him. 0:16:09.556 --> 0:16:11.316 My best This is a good time for me to 0:16:11.316 --> 0:16:14.476 interject with my favorite dog in the animal in the 0:16:14.476 --> 0:16:18.556 front seat story. I was talking to a wildlife veterinarian 0:16:18.636 --> 0:16:23.836 recently and she had raised two cheetahs from from when 0:16:23.876 --> 0:16:26.756 they were from when they were kittens, and they were 0:16:26.916 --> 0:16:29.196 they adored her, and she would they stayed at her 0:16:29.236 --> 0:16:32.076 house and she worked at this kind of wildlife sanctuary 0:16:32.116 --> 0:16:34.716 and every morning she would drive them to work. And 0:16:34.756 --> 0:16:36.316 it was the seventies, and she had one of those 0:16:36.316 --> 0:16:38.916 bench seats in the front and the two cheetahs would 0:16:38.996 --> 0:16:42.316 sit on the seat in front of and she said, 0:16:42.716 --> 0:16:46.116 because you know, they have really long necks, so you 0:16:46.116 --> 0:16:49.916 would just see her and then these two adorable cheetahs, 0:16:50.076 --> 0:16:55.476 she said. She said, uh, the like the looks she 0:16:55.556 --> 0:16:58.596 got from other people on the freeway were priceless. I 0:16:58.636 --> 0:17:01.076 think it is the word she used. And I was 0:17:01.116 --> 0:17:05.316 curious about where where'd you put jumpbug thunner back? 0:17:05.756 --> 0:17:11.916 I have one of those slings, so she would hang 0:17:11.956 --> 0:17:18.116 out in the back with her giant carrot stuffed animal 0:17:18.276 --> 0:17:20.036 and giant frog stuffed animal. 0:17:20.116 --> 0:17:22.236 Would you say a giant I've seen his carrot. It's 0:17:22.436 --> 0:17:29.036 a good four feet. 0:17:26.316 --> 0:17:29.316 And it's a pillow and a security blanket. 0:17:29.876 --> 0:17:33.116 Yeah. I always gave him his bed, his pillow and 0:17:33.156 --> 0:17:36.236 security blanket and he would curl up in the back. 0:17:36.836 --> 0:17:39.956 But the best part of it was going to dog parks. 0:17:40.076 --> 0:17:42.396 I mean I went to some crazy dog parks. I 0:17:42.436 --> 0:17:45.836 went to one in Amarillo where this guy had an 0:17:45.876 --> 0:17:50.356 Australian Shepherd and he was so into the dog and 0:17:50.396 --> 0:17:53.196 I said, wow, what do you do? Are you a 0:17:53.236 --> 0:17:55.796 dog trainer? He said no, I just got out of 0:17:55.836 --> 0:18:01.676 a federal penitentiary for dealing meth. I said, oh, okay, 0:18:01.916 --> 0:18:05.316 he said, but now I'm totally focused on my dog. 0:18:06.076 --> 0:18:08.876 And we talked dogs and then he told me where 0:18:08.876 --> 0:18:11.636 to eat. You didn't Amarillo, And you know, you can't 0:18:11.636 --> 0:18:13.596 get that kind of experience if you don't remember. 0:18:13.436 --> 0:18:16.476 Dog dogs are the great leveling dog parks the great 0:18:16.516 --> 0:18:18.036 leveling ground you. 0:18:18.516 --> 0:18:21.756 Yeah, it's a great icebreaker having a dog anywhere. 0:18:22.476 --> 0:18:25.436 So to recap, the reason to have a dog with 0:18:25.516 --> 0:18:27.196 you on a road trip is that you get to 0:18:27.236 --> 0:18:30.956 acquire giant, fluffy carrots. It allows you to explore one 0:18:30.956 --> 0:18:34.316 of the great undiscovered American treasures, the dog park, and 0:18:34.356 --> 0:18:39.236 it greatly expands your social circle to include meth dealers. 0:18:39.836 --> 0:18:41.596 These are not compelling arguments. 0:18:42.956 --> 0:18:47.996 Yeah, well, when I was ready to head home back 0:18:48.036 --> 0:18:52.796 to Los Angeles from the Hudson Valley. Junebug maybe from 0:18:52.916 --> 0:19:00.396 drinking pond water, got some kind of bacterial infection and 0:19:01.556 --> 0:19:07.116 basically an explosive digestive track. And it was like three 0:19:07.196 --> 0:19:09.676 days before I had to head across country, and so 0:19:10.556 --> 0:19:15.236 that was very clearly something that I did not want 0:19:16.116 --> 0:19:18.396 to drive a past country with a dog who has 0:19:18.476 --> 0:19:20.916 explosive diarrhea. 0:19:22.276 --> 0:19:26.676 See my point, My life isn't complicated enough already. I've 0:19:26.756 --> 0:19:28.276 never traveled with a dog, but I had traveled with 0:19:28.276 --> 0:19:32.596 a cat, and I had the experience recently of well 0:19:32.596 --> 0:19:34.476 it was just from here to New York City, but 0:19:34.516 --> 0:19:37.036 there was bad traffic, so we were out for about 0:19:37.356 --> 0:19:42.356 four hours in total. In hour four I had one child, 0:19:43.516 --> 0:19:47.836 the six month six week old, who's just over it 0:19:47.876 --> 0:19:52.516 and just crying NonStop. I had Edie who sang without 0:19:52.756 --> 0:19:56.156 stopping for three hours, so she's singing the top for lungs. 0:19:56.276 --> 0:19:59.716 And then the cat decided to start serenading us at 0:19:59.756 --> 0:20:03.716 the same time, so I had I had the singing, yowling, 0:20:04.396 --> 0:20:08.196 crying combination, which has never happened to me before. It 0:20:08.236 --> 0:20:10.956 was I'd say quite some I don't know whether I 0:20:11.076 --> 0:20:13.556 because you know, if you were to go across country, 0:20:13.636 --> 0:20:15.716 that could considerably go on for hours. Luckily we hit 0:20:15.716 --> 0:20:20.036 an endpoint. But there you The more people you, the 0:20:20.036 --> 0:20:22.796 more strange creatures you put in your car, the greater 0:20:22.916 --> 0:20:33.116 the upside risk of you some now I repeat, the 0:20:33.156 --> 0:20:35.916 more strange creatures you put in your car, the greater 0:20:35.996 --> 0:20:40.756 the upside risk. Are you nuts? Don't do it? Don't 0:20:40.756 --> 0:20:43.076 go to Vegas. Don't cover the weather, don't set foot 0:20:43.116 --> 0:20:45.636 in North Carolina. Don't buy a house in Georgetown without 0:20:45.716 --> 0:20:49.236 checking to see if the previous owner betrayed crucial American secrets. 0:20:49.516 --> 0:20:53.036 Don't travel with a dog unless absolutely necessary, and do 0:20:53.156 --> 0:20:58.236 not ever please listen to music. It sounds like this, 0:21:04.516 --> 0:21:08.116 all right? Everyone, that's travel advice from Revision's History. We'll 0:21:08.116 --> 0:21:11.076 be back on Thursday with conclusion to our six part 0:21:11.156 --> 0:21:14.636 Gun series on Revision's History. You won't want to miss 0:21:14.676 --> 0:21:27.436 the final episode. This episode was produced by Nina Lawrence, 0:21:27.676 --> 0:21:31.596 Bendadapt Haffrey, and Jacob Smith. It was edited by Sarah Nix, 0:21:31.916 --> 0:21:35.036 engineering by Nina Lawrence. Special thanks to my guests and 0:21:35.116 --> 0:21:48.876 old friends Michael Specter and Dazac. I'm Malcolm Godwin. Oh 0:21:48.916 --> 0:21:51.756 you're still waiting for question number five, aren't you here? 0:21:51.836 --> 0:21:55.596 It is? What about treats? Do we have agreement on treats? 0:21:55.796 --> 0:21:59.276 You gotta have some particular This is a dog owner 0:21:59.436 --> 0:22:03.476 term high value treats, like not just like the kind 0:22:03.516 --> 0:22:07.996 of food he eats, but cheese and smelly fish and 0:22:08.196 --> 0:22:11.076 things that you may find repulsive, but that that dog 0:22:11.476 --> 0:22:14.676 will do anything for, because there are times when you 0:22:14.716 --> 0:22:16.276 want to reward him, and there are also times when 0:22:16.276 --> 0:22:18.676 you want him to pay attention, and if you produce 0:22:18.956 --> 0:22:22.556 the right kind of cheese, he'll walk through fire for it. 0:22:22.876 --> 0:22:25.996 There's also those keep them busy for a long time treats, 0:22:25.996 --> 0:22:29.396 Like there's those Himalayan she sticks that will take forever, 0:22:29.636 --> 0:22:30.876 and I think that's kind of good. 0:22:30.956 --> 0:22:34.756 Actually, my big thing on that these days are collagen chees. 0:22:35.236 --> 0:22:37.436 You can get these long college and chees and they 0:22:37.516 --> 0:22:40.876 last a pretty long time and they're not terribly unhealthy. 0:22:41.556 --> 0:22:42.716 As opposed to you. 0:22:42.876 --> 0:22:44.716 Say a long time, you mean hours. 0:22:45.516 --> 0:22:47.556 It can be a couple hours of hardcore chewing. 0:22:47.636 --> 0:22:49.636 Yeah, you could get a college and chew could get 0:22:49.676 --> 0:22:50.996 you across the state of Kansas. 0:22:51.116 --> 0:22:54.996 Yeah, totally. The thing is my dog. You know, I 0:22:55.036 --> 0:22:57.996 have spent five years trying to buy things for my 0:22:58.116 --> 0:23:02.356 dog that say, under no circumstance, can your dog rip 0:23:02.436 --> 0:23:06.716 this toy apart? It's impossible. He's never lasted twenty four 0:23:06.756 --> 0:23:09.076 hours with those. He's like taking it down. 0:23:09.116 --> 0:23:11.956 This is this is like Alcatraz. You know when they 0:23:11.956 --> 0:23:13.716 say you no, no, no no, you can never get 0:23:13.716 --> 0:23:15.636 to als. Someone else gets out of Alcatraz.