1 00:00:15,356 --> 00:00:24,316 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hello, Hello everyone, Malcolm Glabwey here, I'm back in 2 00:00:24,316 --> 00:00:27,276 Speaker 1: the feet a bit early with a little amused boush 3 00:00:27,436 --> 00:00:29,516 Speaker 1: before we come to the finale of our Gun series 4 00:00:29,556 --> 00:00:33,796 Speaker 1: on Thursday, Airbnb, one of our loyal sponsors, asked if 5 00:00:33,796 --> 00:00:37,276 Speaker 1: we could do an episode about travel, because, of course 6 00:00:37,556 --> 00:00:40,076 Speaker 1: arabbnb is all about travel, and as you may or 7 00:00:40,116 --> 00:00:42,676 Speaker 1: may not know, I do a lot of travel. I 8 00:00:42,716 --> 00:00:45,436 Speaker 1: am well over a million frequent flyer miles on United 9 00:00:45,476 --> 00:00:51,276 Speaker 1: at this point. I've been to Manila, Hong Kong, Las Vegas, Washington, 10 00:00:51,316 --> 00:00:55,276 Speaker 1: d C, Detroit, and Grand Rapids in just the last month. 11 00:00:55,716 --> 00:00:58,356 Speaker 1: And if you're wondering, my favorite of all those places, 12 00:00:58,596 --> 00:01:03,876 Speaker 1: not even close, Grand Rapids. Love Grand Rabbits. Why doesn't 13 00:01:03,916 --> 00:01:06,396 Speaker 1: everyone live in Grand Rapids. I don't get it anyway, 14 00:01:06,956 --> 00:01:09,676 Speaker 1: Airbnb travel me it all seemed like an actual fit. 15 00:01:10,236 --> 00:01:12,676 Speaker 1: But before we hit the road about the Gun series, 16 00:01:12,916 --> 00:01:16,716 Speaker 1: your responses so far have been phenomenal. Please keep sending 17 00:01:16,716 --> 00:01:19,796 Speaker 1: in your thoughts. There's a contact form at revisionististory dot 18 00:01:19,836 --> 00:01:22,876 Speaker 1: com and next month Maria Konokoba and I will talk 19 00:01:22,916 --> 00:01:26,196 Speaker 1: about some of the feedback, but for now, a little 20 00:01:26,276 --> 00:01:33,196 Speaker 1: side trip a revisionist history Getaway. Five burning travel questions 21 00:01:33,756 --> 00:01:38,236 Speaker 1: with Malcolm Glapa. First question, which I've been asking myself 22 00:01:38,276 --> 00:01:41,716 Speaker 1: for at least thirty years. Given the choice, should you 23 00:01:42,036 --> 00:01:45,076 Speaker 1: ever go to Las Vegas? I'm asking this question because 24 00:01:45,076 --> 00:01:47,876 Speaker 1: I'm in Las Vegas right now, not by choice for work. 25 00:01:48,236 --> 00:01:51,156 Speaker 1: And instead of trying to answer this question rationally with 26 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:54,716 Speaker 1: the benefit of reasoned argument and academic scholarship, as is 27 00:01:54,756 --> 00:01:57,876 Speaker 1: our standard practice on revisionist history, I'm just going to 28 00:01:57,916 --> 00:02:01,076 Speaker 1: play you some short clips of the music that has 29 00:02:01,116 --> 00:02:04,356 Speaker 1: been played for my enjoyment as I sit by the 30 00:02:04,396 --> 00:02:08,276 Speaker 1: hotel pool. Oh my god, this is My brain is 31 00:02:08,356 --> 00:02:11,996 Speaker 1: killing me right now. It's nuts. Everywhere you go in 32 00:02:12,076 --> 00:02:20,476 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. This is what you hear everywhere. First question, 33 00:02:20,836 --> 00:02:24,396 Speaker 1: who would willingly listen to this music? Do you know 34 00:02:24,436 --> 00:02:26,556 Speaker 1: anyone who does? Have you ever been over to someone's 35 00:02:26,556 --> 00:02:29,116 Speaker 1: house for dinner or just to hang out and they say, oh, 36 00:02:29,276 --> 00:02:32,476 Speaker 1: let me put on a little house music while we chat. No, 37 00:02:33,276 --> 00:02:36,516 Speaker 1: you have it. But clearly, at some point early in 38 00:02:36,556 --> 00:02:39,236 Speaker 1: the history of Las Vegas, all of the city fathers 39 00:02:39,476 --> 00:02:41,356 Speaker 1: must have gotten together in a room. I'm guessing it 40 00:02:41,396 --> 00:02:45,116 Speaker 1: was convened by Bugsy Seagull, the mobster who founded Las Vegas, 41 00:02:45,236 --> 00:02:48,156 Speaker 1: and Bugsy was like, gentlemen, We're going to create a 42 00:02:48,196 --> 00:02:51,116 Speaker 1: great city in the desert. People from all over the world, 43 00:02:51,196 --> 00:02:53,436 Speaker 1: of every creed and religion, of every shape and size, 44 00:02:53,636 --> 00:02:55,836 Speaker 1: rich and poor, great and small will come here to 45 00:02:55,876 --> 00:02:59,476 Speaker 1: this glamorous oasis to gamble away their life savings. What 46 00:02:59,676 --> 00:03:02,956 Speaker 1: music shall we play them? And all the guys said, 47 00:03:07,076 --> 00:03:08,716 Speaker 1: And then the little old guy who wanted to open 48 00:03:08,756 --> 00:03:11,516 Speaker 1: a high and jewelry store maybe with mister Harry Winston 49 00:03:12,036 --> 00:03:15,036 Speaker 1: raises his hand and said, but mister Bugsy, I'm trying 50 00:03:15,036 --> 00:03:17,876 Speaker 1: to attract a sophisticated clientele. Is it okay if I 51 00:03:17,876 --> 00:03:21,476 Speaker 1: play Schubert? And Bugsy gets all scary and angry and 52 00:03:21,516 --> 00:03:24,036 Speaker 1: bangs his fist on the table and says, no, Harry, 53 00:03:24,036 --> 00:03:26,356 Speaker 1: you schmuck, that goes against everything I'm trying to do 54 00:03:26,476 --> 00:03:34,956 Speaker 1: with this oasis in the desert. You must play. I mean, 55 00:03:35,076 --> 00:03:37,676 Speaker 1: this is like the craziest thing ever. Maybe there are 56 00:03:37,716 --> 00:03:40,396 Speaker 1: some sixteen year olds out there who like music like this, 57 00:03:40,676 --> 00:03:43,316 Speaker 1: but I'm looking around the pool. There are no sixteen 58 00:03:43,396 --> 00:03:50,716 Speaker 1: year olds here. It's all cranky old people like me. 59 00:03:51,596 --> 00:03:54,476 Speaker 1: You know how, in hostage situations sometimes they try and 60 00:03:54,516 --> 00:03:56,396 Speaker 1: force the bad guy to give up by playing like 61 00:03:56,476 --> 00:04:00,116 Speaker 1: heavy metal really loudly all night long. I should be 62 00:04:00,196 --> 00:04:02,836 Speaker 1: so lucky to be a hostage taker hearing heavy metal 63 00:04:02,916 --> 00:04:08,196 Speaker 1: right now. So short answer to question number one, No, 64 00:04:08,636 --> 00:04:12,156 Speaker 1: don't do it. Don't go to Las Vegas ever unless 65 00:04:12,196 --> 00:04:18,236 Speaker 1: you absolutely have to. All right, Question number two, what 66 00:04:18,356 --> 00:04:22,436 Speaker 1: was the greatest road trip of my life? I think 67 00:04:22,476 --> 00:04:26,116 Speaker 1: it was my first road trip summer I believe of 68 00:04:26,196 --> 00:04:29,516 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two. My friend Terry and I were at 69 00:04:29,516 --> 00:04:33,196 Speaker 1: that moment obsessed with Alger Hiss, the State Department official 70 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:35,836 Speaker 1: who in nineteen forty eight was famously accused of being 71 00:04:35,876 --> 00:04:39,676 Speaker 1: a Soviet spy. Biggest story of the day. Huge drama ensues. 72 00:04:39,716 --> 00:04:41,876 Speaker 1: It goes on for years, with one side saying he's 73 00:04:41,916 --> 00:04:44,396 Speaker 1: innocent and the other side saying he's guilty. 74 00:04:45,356 --> 00:04:47,556 Speaker 2: Were you ever a Communist spy, mister Hiss? 75 00:04:47,596 --> 00:04:50,396 Speaker 1: No, I was not either a communist nor a spy. 76 00:04:51,676 --> 00:04:55,396 Speaker 1: That's him, and Terry and I were firmly of the 77 00:04:55,556 --> 00:04:59,796 Speaker 1: he's guilty camp. So early one August morning, before dawn 78 00:04:59,836 --> 00:05:02,396 Speaker 1: we wake up, Terry won't tell me beforehand what time 79 00:05:02,396 --> 00:05:04,716 Speaker 1: we're leaving because he says he doesn't want and this 80 00:05:04,836 --> 00:05:08,316 Speaker 1: is his exact phrase to pierce the cloud of unknowing. 81 00:05:09,316 --> 00:05:12,116 Speaker 1: We get into his mom's Pontiac. We drive from our 82 00:05:12,116 --> 00:05:15,956 Speaker 1: little town in rural southern Ontario straight to Washington, d C. 83 00:05:16,236 --> 00:05:20,636 Speaker 1: Ten hours, and we visit every house Algerhiss lived in 84 00:05:20,796 --> 00:05:24,396 Speaker 1: during his long career of treachery, up to and including 85 00:05:24,596 --> 00:05:27,276 Speaker 1: the famous town house in Georgetown on p Street where 86 00:05:27,316 --> 00:05:31,196 Speaker 1: so much of his skull duggery allegedly went down. We 87 00:05:31,356 --> 00:05:34,556 Speaker 1: pull up, We knock in the door, two scruffy teenagers 88 00:05:34,556 --> 00:05:37,356 Speaker 1: from rural Canada who haven't shaved or showered, or slept 89 00:05:37,596 --> 00:05:39,756 Speaker 1: or really even eaten for several days. Because we had 90 00:05:39,796 --> 00:05:44,316 Speaker 1: no money. All we had was our youthful, mocksy and enthusiasm. 91 00:05:44,916 --> 00:05:48,316 Speaker 1: So the door opens and we say, are you aware 92 00:05:48,316 --> 00:05:50,316 Speaker 1: that you're living in the house of the notorious American 93 00:05:50,316 --> 00:05:54,076 Speaker 1: Cold War trader Alger Hiss. They look at us blankly 94 00:05:54,556 --> 00:05:57,236 Speaker 1: and we're off. Our job is done. Then afterwards we 95 00:05:57,316 --> 00:06:00,036 Speaker 1: write up findings in a little essay called The Many 96 00:06:00,076 --> 00:06:03,356 Speaker 1: Houses of Alger Hiss, which opened with a long, florid, 97 00:06:03,436 --> 00:06:06,236 Speaker 1: damning summary of the facts of the case ending of 98 00:06:06,276 --> 00:06:09,996 Speaker 1: the line, all of which leads to the one overwhelming question, 99 00:06:11,036 --> 00:06:13,996 Speaker 1: who was this man? They called alter hiss and where 100 00:06:13,996 --> 00:06:17,116 Speaker 1: did he live? I mean, how do you top that? Later? 101 00:06:17,236 --> 00:06:21,556 Speaker 1: Terry and I did a modified ballpark tour Toronto, Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, 102 00:06:21,596 --> 00:06:25,396 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. But everyone does one of those who does 103 00:06:25,436 --> 00:06:28,636 Speaker 1: the many houses of outer your hiss. Now you might 104 00:06:28,676 --> 00:06:31,956 Speaker 1: think that this was just some youthful fancy, a teenage lark. 105 00:06:32,076 --> 00:06:36,996 Speaker 1: But take out your phone. Google George F. Baker, the 106 00:06:37,036 --> 00:06:40,676 Speaker 1: third Harvard University. You'll see a picture of a handsome 107 00:06:40,716 --> 00:06:46,796 Speaker 1: guy right around my age. The first name Terry, professor 108 00:06:46,796 --> 00:06:53,676 Speaker 1: of what Russian studies? Baby? How many road trips set 109 00:06:53,756 --> 00:07:01,156 Speaker 1: in motion a lifetime of scholarship? Okay? Question number three? 110 00:07:01,476 --> 00:07:04,916 Speaker 1: Do some parts of the United States pose particular problems 111 00:07:04,916 --> 00:07:12,476 Speaker 1: for travelers? Are there states the novice traveler should avoid? Answer? Yes, absolutely, 112 00:07:13,756 --> 00:07:17,156 Speaker 1: North Carolina. No one talks about this, but it's a 113 00:07:17,196 --> 00:07:20,316 Speaker 1: long standing pet peeve of mine. I was actually chatting 114 00:07:20,356 --> 00:07:22,916 Speaker 1: with my friends Michael Specter and Dye Zoc recently about 115 00:07:22,916 --> 00:07:27,196 Speaker 1: my travel theories, and it came up and acdotally there's 116 00:07:27,916 --> 00:07:31,916 Speaker 1: a I did a talk in at wake Forest University 117 00:07:32,196 --> 00:07:36,036 Speaker 1: and which is not weirdly in wake Forest, which I 118 00:07:36,036 --> 00:07:38,956 Speaker 1: would point out because I nearly went to Wake Forest, 119 00:07:40,636 --> 00:07:45,076 Speaker 1: which is like two hundred miles away. And when I 120 00:07:45,116 --> 00:07:48,276 Speaker 1: told my host that, I I got so I finally 121 00:07:48,316 --> 00:07:52,236 Speaker 1: I self corrected, like half nur in go to Winston Salem, 122 00:07:52,276 --> 00:07:54,556 Speaker 1: which is where Wake Forest is. And then I was 123 00:07:54,596 --> 00:07:57,396 Speaker 1: sort of outraged, goes like, what kind of trick is 124 00:07:57,436 --> 00:08:00,556 Speaker 1: North Carolina playing on people? Where they put in Wake 125 00:08:00,596 --> 00:08:04,396 Speaker 1: Forest University hundreds of miles from Wake Forest. And then 126 00:08:04,396 --> 00:08:05,956 Speaker 1: when I told my host, oh, I nearly went to 127 00:08:05,996 --> 00:08:08,116 Speaker 1: Wake Forest, They're like, oh yeah, people do that all time. 128 00:08:08,236 --> 00:08:12,156 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm something, it's weird. Fix the problem, change 129 00:08:12,156 --> 00:08:14,756 Speaker 1: the name. How hard is this? It's like it's been 130 00:08:14,756 --> 00:08:17,116 Speaker 1: going on for hundreds of years. People have been going 131 00:08:17,156 --> 00:08:19,876 Speaker 1: to Wake Forest in search of Wake Forest University. Like 132 00:08:19,916 --> 00:08:22,996 Speaker 1: I said, no one talks about this, but it's kind 133 00:08:23,036 --> 00:08:26,036 Speaker 1: of nuts. You land in Charlotte and you punch in 134 00:08:26,156 --> 00:08:29,996 Speaker 1: Wake Forest on Ways and Ways says two hours forty 135 00:08:29,996 --> 00:08:34,196 Speaker 1: two minutes, and you say, huh, that's weird. That's the 136 00:08:34,236 --> 00:08:37,436 Speaker 1: other side of the state, right outside Raleigh. Why didn't 137 00:08:37,436 --> 00:08:39,956 Speaker 1: I just fly to Raleigh? And you get halfway there 138 00:08:39,996 --> 00:08:42,316 Speaker 1: and you think, oh, maybe I should double check, and 139 00:08:42,356 --> 00:08:46,396 Speaker 1: you realize that North Carolina has devised a nefarious scheme 140 00:08:46,676 --> 00:08:52,796 Speaker 1: to frustrate unsuspecting carpetbaggers arriving from the north. One hundred percent. 141 00:08:53,036 --> 00:08:55,316 Speaker 1: This has something to do with the Civil War. Roberty 142 00:08:55,356 --> 00:08:57,836 Speaker 1: Lee says, let's let it leak out that we're setting 143 00:08:57,916 --> 00:09:00,036 Speaker 1: up for a last stand at wake Forest, and the 144 00:09:00,156 --> 00:09:03,516 Speaker 1: Union Army spies hear this and say aha, and they 145 00:09:03,596 --> 00:09:06,076 Speaker 1: muster everyone and they march up. What is now I 146 00:09:06,236 --> 00:09:10,036 Speaker 1: eighty five only Lee, that old trickster. It means wake Forest, 147 00:09:10,076 --> 00:09:13,556 Speaker 1: a school, not wake Forest, of town and somewhere around Lexington, 148 00:09:13,796 --> 00:09:19,316 Speaker 1: he pounces, surprising the unsuspecting Union Army. I mean, that's 149 00:09:19,356 --> 00:09:24,036 Speaker 1: the only explanation that makes sense. Wait, there's more, do 150 00:09:24,156 --> 00:09:27,676 Speaker 1: I I have some travel faux past stories, like when 151 00:09:27,676 --> 00:09:30,436 Speaker 1: I went to the wrong Columbia, the wrong. 152 00:09:30,876 --> 00:09:32,756 Speaker 2: The country, No, no, the. 153 00:09:32,796 --> 00:09:38,196 Speaker 1: University columb yesh was the Washington Post. Washington Post was 154 00:09:38,236 --> 00:09:42,916 Speaker 1: obsessed with covering hurricanes Columbia, Maryland, and I was told 155 00:09:43,396 --> 00:09:47,796 Speaker 1: there was a hurricane fast approaching the outer banks of 156 00:09:47,796 --> 00:09:52,316 Speaker 1: North Carolina, and I was dispatched to Columbia just cover 157 00:09:52,396 --> 00:09:56,876 Speaker 1: the hurricane. I landed Columbia, North Carolina, and there was 158 00:09:56,916 --> 00:10:01,516 Speaker 1: no hurricane, and I called it and said, it's no hurricane. 159 00:10:01,556 --> 00:10:04,316 Speaker 1: What are you guys talking about? Know this is hurricane No, No, 160 00:10:04,116 --> 00:10:07,236 Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm here and there's no hurricane. Like, no, 161 00:10:07,276 --> 00:10:10,396 Speaker 1: you can't be in Columbia, North Carolina because there's a 162 00:10:10,436 --> 00:10:12,996 Speaker 1: hurricane going on there right now. And I looked around 163 00:10:13,036 --> 00:10:17,716 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I'm in Columbia, South Carolina. 164 00:10:18,956 --> 00:10:25,756 Speaker 1: To Columbia's in adjoining Carolinas. This is another This is 165 00:10:25,796 --> 00:10:28,116 Speaker 1: like the this is like the Wake Forest thing all 166 00:10:28,156 --> 00:10:30,796 Speaker 1: over again. This country is set up to fool the 167 00:10:30,876 --> 00:10:36,556 Speaker 1: unsuspecting outsider. What kind of colossal failure of imagination is this? 168 00:10:37,076 --> 00:10:40,196 Speaker 1: Someone in one of the Carolinas goes first and says, oh, 169 00:10:40,476 --> 00:10:43,036 Speaker 1: I have a good idea, let's call our town Columbia. 170 00:10:43,516 --> 00:10:46,316 Speaker 1: And then someone else a few years later says, oh, 171 00:10:46,556 --> 00:10:49,156 Speaker 1: I have an even better idea, let's call our town 172 00:10:49,196 --> 00:10:52,076 Speaker 1: Columbia as well, Because one of these days some dumb 173 00:10:52,156 --> 00:10:54,716 Speaker 1: yankee is not going to realize that Columbia is like 174 00:10:54,756 --> 00:10:57,916 Speaker 1: a generic Southern term for medium sized city with big 175 00:10:57,956 --> 00:11:01,116 Speaker 1: city aspirations, and he's going to go to one Columbia 176 00:11:01,196 --> 00:11:04,436 Speaker 1: well meaning to go to the other Columbia. And so 177 00:11:05,196 --> 00:11:09,516 Speaker 1: for hundreds of years thereafter, countless well meaning people from 178 00:11:09,596 --> 00:11:13,316 Speaker 1: the North go to the wrong Columbia. I mean, what 179 00:11:13,476 --> 00:11:16,916 Speaker 1: happens if I had been a legendary brain surgeon flying 180 00:11:16,956 --> 00:11:19,916 Speaker 1: down for a prestigious hospital in the Northeast to save 181 00:11:19,916 --> 00:11:22,796 Speaker 1: the life of an adorable Southern toddler, and I go 182 00:11:22,876 --> 00:11:26,076 Speaker 1: to the wrong Columbia. Did they think about that? No, 183 00:11:26,156 --> 00:11:29,556 Speaker 1: they didn't. They were too busy chortling over their stupid 184 00:11:29,836 --> 00:11:36,196 Speaker 1: little practical joke. Stay away from North Carolina, and while 185 00:11:36,196 --> 00:11:39,676 Speaker 1: you're at it, stay away from reporting on the weather. Well. No, 186 00:11:39,796 --> 00:11:43,596 Speaker 1: the horror story was there was Remember that terrible hurricane 187 00:11:43,676 --> 00:11:47,916 Speaker 1: that hit Miami in the nineties, I forgot much work, the. 188 00:11:48,116 --> 00:11:49,836 Speaker 2: One that flattened southern Florida. 189 00:11:49,956 --> 00:11:55,996 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bill, my colleague Bill Booth, we didn't realize was 190 00:11:56,036 --> 00:11:57,716 Speaker 1: as serious as it was. He went down there to 191 00:11:57,756 --> 00:12:00,516 Speaker 1: cover it, and he returned home like two months later, 192 00:12:00,756 --> 00:12:03,316 Speaker 1: And when I saw that, I realized that the mistake 193 00:12:03,396 --> 00:12:05,716 Speaker 1: he made was doing a good job of covering. So 194 00:12:06,236 --> 00:12:08,516 Speaker 1: that was when I decided that, I mean, actually, the 195 00:12:08,556 --> 00:12:12,116 Speaker 1: Columbia thing happened. Just after that, I realized that there 196 00:12:12,116 --> 00:12:15,276 Speaker 1: was no upside to being a good hurricane reporter, because 197 00:12:15,916 --> 00:12:17,916 Speaker 1: the worst the hurricane is the longer you'll be away 198 00:12:17,916 --> 00:12:21,116 Speaker 1: from home. You got to screw up early and often, 199 00:12:21,836 --> 00:12:25,316 Speaker 1: so they turn elsewhere. So then I followed that up 200 00:12:25,356 --> 00:12:31,716 Speaker 1: with a there was a hurricane in New Orleans, and 201 00:12:33,236 --> 00:12:36,556 Speaker 1: I suggested that the best way to cover it was 202 00:12:36,596 --> 00:12:43,436 Speaker 1: to approach it from the west. So I flew, I flew? 203 00:12:43,996 --> 00:12:47,276 Speaker 1: Did I fly to Dallas? The whole thing was so preposterous. 204 00:12:47,316 --> 00:12:48,756 Speaker 1: I spent like a day and a half in the 205 00:12:48,796 --> 00:12:50,996 Speaker 1: car before I even got there, and then just said, 206 00:12:51,036 --> 00:12:52,596 Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't 207 00:12:52,636 --> 00:12:55,196 Speaker 1: see it. Finally they gave up and let someone else 208 00:12:55,636 --> 00:12:58,676 Speaker 1: take over. But there are there are certain tricks of 209 00:12:58,716 --> 00:13:01,436 Speaker 1: self preservation in the journalism business, and one of them 210 00:13:01,476 --> 00:13:02,996 Speaker 1: is to always do a bad job of something you 211 00:13:03,036 --> 00:13:07,916 Speaker 1: don't want to do. Okay, coming up the big question, 212 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:11,356 Speaker 1: what do you do about traveling when you have a dog? 213 00:13:20,636 --> 00:13:23,236 Speaker 1: So here's the big question. Why I gather my friends 214 00:13:23,236 --> 00:13:26,276 Speaker 1: Michael Specter and Dyezarc for counsel. There's a lot of 215 00:13:26,316 --> 00:13:28,796 Speaker 1: pressure right now in the global household for us to 216 00:13:28,796 --> 00:13:31,436 Speaker 1: get a dog. If you do like an Internet history 217 00:13:31,476 --> 00:13:35,396 Speaker 1: search on any laptop in the global household, it's just dogs. 218 00:13:36,116 --> 00:13:40,116 Speaker 1: You type in B and Google autocompletes Burmese Labrador mix. 219 00:13:40,716 --> 00:13:43,676 Speaker 1: That's where we're at right now now. I love dogs, 220 00:13:43,996 --> 00:13:46,196 Speaker 1: but like I said, I travel a lot, and it's 221 00:13:46,196 --> 00:13:50,756 Speaker 1: hard enough without having to factor in another needy living creature. 222 00:13:51,396 --> 00:13:53,916 Speaker 1: So I wanted to ask Michael and I how they 223 00:13:54,036 --> 00:13:57,556 Speaker 1: deal with the have dog, will travel problem. And I 224 00:13:57,556 --> 00:13:59,676 Speaker 1: would like to start out just by having each of 225 00:13:59,716 --> 00:14:04,716 Speaker 1: you please give us the name and type of dog 226 00:14:04,836 --> 00:14:07,796 Speaker 1: you own, and also a brief word about your dog's temperament. 227 00:14:10,436 --> 00:14:13,076 Speaker 2: My dog's name is Linus. He's five years old. He's 228 00:14:13,116 --> 00:14:15,996 Speaker 2: a Woodle, which is a cross between a wheaten Terrier 229 00:14:16,036 --> 00:14:19,836 Speaker 2: and a poodle, and his temperament is he is by 230 00:14:19,996 --> 00:14:23,276 Speaker 2: far the mellowest person in the history of the Specter family. 231 00:14:24,756 --> 00:14:27,156 Speaker 1: And Die I have. 232 00:14:27,076 --> 00:14:33,196 Speaker 3: A black lab named Junebug. She's my third lab. She's 233 00:14:33,676 --> 00:14:37,076 Speaker 3: like all my other labs, ambassador of love. 234 00:14:37,236 --> 00:14:37,596 Speaker 1: She is. 235 00:14:38,516 --> 00:14:43,676 Speaker 3: When I had to choose between two labs in a litter, 236 00:14:43,796 --> 00:14:47,596 Speaker 3: they said, okay, we have two girls. One is ball 237 00:14:47,676 --> 00:14:51,356 Speaker 3: obsessed and one is a snuggler. Which one do you want? 238 00:14:51,676 --> 00:14:55,316 Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, you went with the snapler. 239 00:14:56,676 --> 00:14:59,236 Speaker 1: So the obvious travel question, can you just put the 240 00:14:59,276 --> 00:15:00,076 Speaker 1: dog on a plane. 241 00:15:00,756 --> 00:15:03,956 Speaker 3: I have flown dogs before, and I have found it 242 00:15:03,996 --> 00:15:08,556 Speaker 3: slightly traumatizing. Yeah, just a two thousand yards stare when 243 00:15:08,556 --> 00:15:09,716 Speaker 3: they get off the I. 244 00:15:09,756 --> 00:15:11,956 Speaker 1: Just just I mean, the dog just wants to be 245 00:15:12,036 --> 00:15:12,356 Speaker 1: with you. 246 00:15:13,716 --> 00:15:16,916 Speaker 2: Yeah, Linus really didn't care. He just is fairly mellow. 247 00:15:17,556 --> 00:15:20,356 Speaker 2: I was traumatized. In fact, I flew Air Alaska that 248 00:15:20,436 --> 00:15:23,556 Speaker 2: time because they're said to have the best dog flying program. 249 00:15:23,796 --> 00:15:26,156 Speaker 2: When I got to my seat, there was a stewardess 250 00:15:26,196 --> 00:15:29,996 Speaker 2: standing there with a piece of paper which said relax, 251 00:15:30,196 --> 00:15:33,636 Speaker 2: Linus is already on board, which was really nice. Of 252 00:15:33,636 --> 00:15:36,276 Speaker 2: course I knew that because I put a tracker on 253 00:15:36,356 --> 00:15:39,556 Speaker 2: his collar because he was freaking out. 254 00:15:39,956 --> 00:15:43,596 Speaker 1: So flying is problematic. But both Michael and I have 255 00:15:43,796 --> 00:15:46,476 Speaker 1: driven cross country with their dog. How does that work? 256 00:15:46,996 --> 00:15:50,596 Speaker 1: I started with Michael. Where does Linus sit? Is he 257 00:15:50,636 --> 00:15:51,996 Speaker 1: in the front seat of the backseat? 258 00:15:52,076 --> 00:15:54,556 Speaker 2: Back seat? He tries to go in the front, In fact, 259 00:15:54,556 --> 00:15:57,596 Speaker 2: he tried it again last week. But the the problem 260 00:15:57,756 --> 00:16:00,276 Speaker 2: is like, if you have some sort of accident and 261 00:16:00,396 --> 00:16:04,196 Speaker 2: your airbag goes, your dog goes too. Oh yeah, so 262 00:16:04,876 --> 00:16:07,236 Speaker 2: I've made a little shelf out of the back seat 263 00:16:07,316 --> 00:16:08,636 Speaker 2: for him. 264 00:16:09,556 --> 00:16:11,316 Speaker 1: My best This is a good time for me to 265 00:16:11,316 --> 00:16:14,476 Speaker 1: interject with my favorite dog in the animal in the 266 00:16:14,476 --> 00:16:18,556 Speaker 1: front seat story. I was talking to a wildlife veterinarian 267 00:16:18,636 --> 00:16:23,836 Speaker 1: recently and she had raised two cheetahs from from when 268 00:16:23,876 --> 00:16:26,756 Speaker 1: they were from when they were kittens, and they were 269 00:16:26,916 --> 00:16:29,196 Speaker 1: they adored her, and she would they stayed at her 270 00:16:29,236 --> 00:16:32,076 Speaker 1: house and she worked at this kind of wildlife sanctuary 271 00:16:32,116 --> 00:16:34,716 Speaker 1: and every morning she would drive them to work. And 272 00:16:34,756 --> 00:16:36,316 Speaker 1: it was the seventies, and she had one of those 273 00:16:36,316 --> 00:16:38,916 Speaker 1: bench seats in the front and the two cheetahs would 274 00:16:38,996 --> 00:16:42,316 Speaker 1: sit on the seat in front of and she said, 275 00:16:42,716 --> 00:16:46,116 Speaker 1: because you know, they have really long necks, so you 276 00:16:46,116 --> 00:16:49,916 Speaker 1: would just see her and then these two adorable cheetahs, 277 00:16:50,076 --> 00:16:55,476 Speaker 1: she said. She said, uh, the like the looks she 278 00:16:55,556 --> 00:16:58,596 Speaker 1: got from other people on the freeway were priceless. I 279 00:16:58,636 --> 00:17:01,076 Speaker 1: think it is the word she used. And I was 280 00:17:01,116 --> 00:17:05,316 Speaker 1: curious about where where'd you put jumpbug thunner back? 281 00:17:05,756 --> 00:17:11,916 Speaker 3: I have one of those slings, so she would hang 282 00:17:11,956 --> 00:17:18,116 Speaker 3: out in the back with her giant carrot stuffed animal 283 00:17:18,276 --> 00:17:20,036 Speaker 3: and giant frog stuffed animal. 284 00:17:20,116 --> 00:17:22,236 Speaker 1: Would you say a giant I've seen his carrot. It's 285 00:17:22,436 --> 00:17:29,036 Speaker 1: a good four feet. 286 00:17:26,316 --> 00:17:29,316 Speaker 3: And it's a pillow and a security blanket. 287 00:17:29,876 --> 00:17:33,116 Speaker 2: Yeah. I always gave him his bed, his pillow and 288 00:17:33,156 --> 00:17:36,236 Speaker 2: security blanket and he would curl up in the back. 289 00:17:36,836 --> 00:17:39,956 Speaker 2: But the best part of it was going to dog parks. 290 00:17:40,076 --> 00:17:42,396 Speaker 2: I mean I went to some crazy dog parks. I 291 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:45,836 Speaker 2: went to one in Amarillo where this guy had an 292 00:17:45,876 --> 00:17:50,356 Speaker 2: Australian Shepherd and he was so into the dog and 293 00:17:50,396 --> 00:17:53,196 Speaker 2: I said, wow, what do you do? Are you a 294 00:17:53,236 --> 00:17:55,796 Speaker 2: dog trainer? He said no, I just got out of 295 00:17:55,836 --> 00:18:01,676 Speaker 2: a federal penitentiary for dealing meth. I said, oh, okay, 296 00:18:01,916 --> 00:18:05,316 Speaker 2: he said, but now I'm totally focused on my dog. 297 00:18:06,076 --> 00:18:08,876 Speaker 2: And we talked dogs and then he told me where 298 00:18:08,876 --> 00:18:11,636 Speaker 2: to eat. You didn't Amarillo, And you know, you can't 299 00:18:11,636 --> 00:18:13,596 Speaker 2: get that kind of experience if you don't remember. 300 00:18:13,436 --> 00:18:16,476 Speaker 1: Dog dogs are the great leveling dog parks the great 301 00:18:16,516 --> 00:18:18,036 Speaker 1: leveling ground you. 302 00:18:18,516 --> 00:18:21,756 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great icebreaker having a dog anywhere. 303 00:18:22,476 --> 00:18:25,436 Speaker 1: So to recap, the reason to have a dog with 304 00:18:25,516 --> 00:18:27,196 Speaker 1: you on a road trip is that you get to 305 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:30,956 Speaker 1: acquire giant, fluffy carrots. It allows you to explore one 306 00:18:30,956 --> 00:18:34,316 Speaker 1: of the great undiscovered American treasures, the dog park, and 307 00:18:34,356 --> 00:18:39,236 Speaker 1: it greatly expands your social circle to include meth dealers. 308 00:18:39,836 --> 00:18:41,596 Speaker 1: These are not compelling arguments. 309 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:47,996 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when I was ready to head home back 310 00:18:48,036 --> 00:18:52,796 Speaker 3: to Los Angeles from the Hudson Valley. Junebug maybe from 311 00:18:52,916 --> 00:19:00,396 Speaker 3: drinking pond water, got some kind of bacterial infection and 312 00:19:01,556 --> 00:19:07,116 Speaker 3: basically an explosive digestive track. And it was like three 313 00:19:07,196 --> 00:19:09,676 Speaker 3: days before I had to head across country, and so 314 00:19:10,556 --> 00:19:15,236 Speaker 3: that was very clearly something that I did not want 315 00:19:16,116 --> 00:19:18,396 Speaker 3: to drive a past country with a dog who has 316 00:19:18,476 --> 00:19:20,916 Speaker 3: explosive diarrhea. 317 00:19:22,276 --> 00:19:26,676 Speaker 1: See my point, My life isn't complicated enough already. I've 318 00:19:26,756 --> 00:19:28,276 Speaker 1: never traveled with a dog, but I had traveled with 319 00:19:28,276 --> 00:19:32,596 Speaker 1: a cat, and I had the experience recently of well 320 00:19:32,596 --> 00:19:34,476 Speaker 1: it was just from here to New York City, but 321 00:19:34,516 --> 00:19:37,036 Speaker 1: there was bad traffic, so we were out for about 322 00:19:37,356 --> 00:19:42,356 Speaker 1: four hours in total. In hour four I had one child, 323 00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:47,836 Speaker 1: the six month six week old, who's just over it 324 00:19:47,876 --> 00:19:52,516 Speaker 1: and just crying NonStop. I had Edie who sang without 325 00:19:52,756 --> 00:19:56,156 Speaker 1: stopping for three hours, so she's singing the top for lungs. 326 00:19:56,276 --> 00:19:59,716 Speaker 1: And then the cat decided to start serenading us at 327 00:19:59,756 --> 00:20:03,716 Speaker 1: the same time, so I had I had the singing, yowling, 328 00:20:04,396 --> 00:20:08,196 Speaker 1: crying combination, which has never happened to me before. It 329 00:20:08,236 --> 00:20:10,956 Speaker 1: was I'd say quite some I don't know whether I 330 00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:13,556 Speaker 1: because you know, if you were to go across country, 331 00:20:13,636 --> 00:20:15,716 Speaker 1: that could considerably go on for hours. Luckily we hit 332 00:20:15,716 --> 00:20:20,036 Speaker 1: an endpoint. But there you The more people you, the 333 00:20:20,036 --> 00:20:22,796 Speaker 1: more strange creatures you put in your car, the greater 334 00:20:22,916 --> 00:20:33,116 Speaker 1: the upside risk of you some now I repeat, the 335 00:20:33,156 --> 00:20:35,916 Speaker 1: more strange creatures you put in your car, the greater 336 00:20:35,996 --> 00:20:40,756 Speaker 1: the upside risk. Are you nuts? Don't do it? Don't 337 00:20:40,756 --> 00:20:43,076 Speaker 1: go to Vegas. Don't cover the weather, don't set foot 338 00:20:43,116 --> 00:20:45,636 Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Don't buy a house in Georgetown without 339 00:20:45,716 --> 00:20:49,236 Speaker 1: checking to see if the previous owner betrayed crucial American secrets. 340 00:20:49,516 --> 00:20:53,036 Speaker 1: Don't travel with a dog unless absolutely necessary, and do 341 00:20:53,156 --> 00:20:58,236 Speaker 1: not ever please listen to music. It sounds like this, 342 00:21:04,516 --> 00:21:08,116 Speaker 1: all right? Everyone, that's travel advice from Revision's History. We'll 343 00:21:08,116 --> 00:21:11,076 Speaker 1: be back on Thursday with conclusion to our six part 344 00:21:11,156 --> 00:21:14,636 Speaker 1: Gun series on Revision's History. You won't want to miss 345 00:21:14,676 --> 00:21:27,436 Speaker 1: the final episode. This episode was produced by Nina Lawrence, 346 00:21:27,676 --> 00:21:31,596 Speaker 1: Bendadapt Haffrey, and Jacob Smith. It was edited by Sarah Nix, 347 00:21:31,916 --> 00:21:35,036 Speaker 1: engineering by Nina Lawrence. Special thanks to my guests and 348 00:21:35,116 --> 00:21:48,876 Speaker 1: old friends Michael Specter and Dazac. I'm Malcolm Godwin. Oh 349 00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:51,756 Speaker 1: you're still waiting for question number five, aren't you here? 350 00:21:51,836 --> 00:21:55,596 Speaker 1: It is? What about treats? Do we have agreement on treats? 351 00:21:55,796 --> 00:21:59,276 Speaker 2: You gotta have some particular This is a dog owner 352 00:21:59,436 --> 00:22:03,476 Speaker 2: term high value treats, like not just like the kind 353 00:22:03,516 --> 00:22:07,996 Speaker 2: of food he eats, but cheese and smelly fish and 354 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:11,076 Speaker 2: things that you may find repulsive, but that that dog 355 00:22:11,476 --> 00:22:14,676 Speaker 2: will do anything for, because there are times when you 356 00:22:14,716 --> 00:22:16,276 Speaker 2: want to reward him, and there are also times when 357 00:22:16,276 --> 00:22:18,676 Speaker 2: you want him to pay attention, and if you produce 358 00:22:18,956 --> 00:22:22,556 Speaker 2: the right kind of cheese, he'll walk through fire for it. 359 00:22:22,876 --> 00:22:25,996 Speaker 3: There's also those keep them busy for a long time treats, 360 00:22:25,996 --> 00:22:29,396 Speaker 3: Like there's those Himalayan she sticks that will take forever, 361 00:22:29,636 --> 00:22:30,876 Speaker 3: and I think that's kind of good. 362 00:22:30,956 --> 00:22:34,756 Speaker 2: Actually, my big thing on that these days are collagen chees. 363 00:22:35,236 --> 00:22:37,436 Speaker 2: You can get these long college and chees and they 364 00:22:37,516 --> 00:22:40,876 Speaker 2: last a pretty long time and they're not terribly unhealthy. 365 00:22:41,556 --> 00:22:42,716 Speaker 2: As opposed to you. 366 00:22:42,876 --> 00:22:44,716 Speaker 1: Say a long time, you mean hours. 367 00:22:45,516 --> 00:22:47,556 Speaker 2: It can be a couple hours of hardcore chewing. 368 00:22:47,636 --> 00:22:49,636 Speaker 1: Yeah, you could get a college and chew could get 369 00:22:49,676 --> 00:22:50,996 Speaker 1: you across the state of Kansas. 370 00:22:51,116 --> 00:22:54,996 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. The thing is my dog. You know, I 371 00:22:55,036 --> 00:22:57,996 Speaker 2: have spent five years trying to buy things for my 372 00:22:58,116 --> 00:23:02,356 Speaker 2: dog that say, under no circumstance, can your dog rip 373 00:23:02,436 --> 00:23:06,716 Speaker 2: this toy apart? It's impossible. He's never lasted twenty four 374 00:23:06,756 --> 00:23:09,076 Speaker 2: hours with those. He's like taking it down. 375 00:23:09,116 --> 00:23:11,956 Speaker 1: This is this is like Alcatraz. You know when they 376 00:23:11,956 --> 00:23:13,716 Speaker 1: say you no, no, no no, you can never get 377 00:23:13,716 --> 00:23:15,636 Speaker 1: to als. Someone else gets out of Alcatraz.