1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 4 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: if you had listened to what we're calling the last 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: little different today than we do in what you're about 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't know, 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm not You never know stories of things we simply 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Well. Hello, welcome to the show, 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: and tonight we're going to talk about something extremely mysterious, 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: something some of you may have heard about before, but 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: probably not. Um I'm Joe, I'm Steve, and this is 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. Most of you have probably not heard of 21 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: the mystery of Casper Hauser, which is something that actually 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: occupied a good deal of Germany and even the rest 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: of Europe in the nineteenth century. So let's start from 24 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: the beginning, when from the from the very beginning, I'll 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: tell you how I heard the story. First years ago, 26 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: I read in this book by this guy named Frank, 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: somebody who wrote a lot of lurid a lot of 28 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: lurid books about crap that never really happened. He wrote 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: this very, very lurid account of the whole thing, which 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: is that this boy mysteriously shows up in the town 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: of Hamburg, Germany, and he was not able to say 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: anything except I want to be a soldier like my father, 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: and then uh and then uh. He sort of hiss, 34 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: hangs around for several years, you know, picks up a 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: few social skills, you know, be on being able to 36 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: say I want to be a soldier like my father, 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: but then eventually is murdered. He's come stumbling out of 38 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: this park in Hamburg and with a mortal knife wounded 39 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: his chest and he dies several days later. Most mysteriously 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: of all, this murder takes place in the middle of winter. 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: There's snow on the ground and there's no footprints, but 42 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: his own in his park exactly acts. So that that 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: was my first exposure to Casper Hauser's mystery. So it's 44 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: a good way to make a living now, just like 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: picking up stuff like this and spending really lured tales 46 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: out of it and putting in these books and selling 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: them and making money. Well, it's gonna be my next 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: side job. That's kind of what we're gonna do here, 49 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: and we start getting advertisers. So anyway, so here's the 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: story as it happened, uh briefly, in a boy of 51 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: approximately sixteen years old appears in the streets of Nuremberg, Germany. UM. 52 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: He had a letter with him addressed to the captain 53 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: of the fourth Squadron of the sixth Cavalry Regiment, Captain Vaughn, investinating, 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: and he was taken He was taken to this captain 55 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: by a shoemaker who happened to spot him on the streets, 56 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: and apparently, according to legend, he was Casper Hauser was 57 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: walking unsteadily, almost as if drunk, and so the shoemaker 58 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: takes an interest in him, and when he walks up 59 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: to him, he hands this letter to him, and the 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: letter is addressed to the captains, he is taken by 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: the shoemaker to meet the captain, who is apparently not 62 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: at home with the moment. So the servants have them 63 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: weight out in the garden and they give them some food, 64 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: which includes sausage and beer, which Casper spits out as 65 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: if he has never I'm not exactly here in sausages, 66 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: also as if he has never had these things before. 67 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: But eventually he does eat some bread and water and 68 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: eats him as if he's quite hungry. Eventually, when the 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: captain comes home and he gets to read this letter, 70 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: the letter says, quote from the Bavarian border, the place 71 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: is unnamed. The author said that was given into his 72 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: custody as an infant on seven October eighteen twelve. He extructed, 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: instructed him in reading, writing, and Christian religion, but never 74 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: let him take quote a single step out of my 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: house unquote. H The letter state of the boy would 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: not like to be a cavalryman as his father was, 77 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: and invited the captain either to take him in or 78 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: to hang him. Oh that's that's nice, yes, yeah, he 79 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: actually well, you know, this was actually not the father 80 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: of the child, the father that this was somebody apparently 81 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: who supposedly was just a day labor or something and 82 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: and didn't have a lot of cash laying around. Uh. 83 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: The infant was given to him by supposedly cash for 84 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: his mother, who's and the father had had actually apparently 85 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: according to her in this letter, been in this in 86 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: this cavalry infantry, and so the intention was that he 87 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: should be raised to the the age of seventeen or 88 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 1: sixteen or whatever the proper age is, and then become 89 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: a soldier in his cavalry. So anyways, so he came 90 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: with two letters. There was this one and there was 91 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: another one supposedly from his mother to the caretaker, who 92 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: at the other letter said his name was Casper, and 93 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: he was born on April twelve, and his father, a 94 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: cavalryman of the sixth Regiment, was dead. At this point, 95 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: he has taken into custody and put in what's called 96 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: the best nerd Gate Tower in care of a jailer. 97 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: And so he essentially is being watched over by this 98 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: guy and his family's kids, and he's exhibiting some strange behaviors. Uh. 99 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: And later on he wound up writing his own autobiography 100 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: and which he claimed that he had been kept in 101 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: a hole in the ground which was about two ms 102 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: wide by a meter and a half wide by meter 103 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: and a half tall, So convert that defeat. That's three 104 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: foot by six ft, that's about that's about six ft 105 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: by about six ft by about four five ft by 106 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: about five ft tall, with a straw mat to sleep on, 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: and that's a very very small cell. Yeah, fed bread 108 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: and water, and the only thing he had to play 109 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: with was a carved wooden horse. Yes, so tis today 110 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: are way spoiled. All he had was a carved horse, 111 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: and he was happy. I don't know happy is the 112 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: right word. All right, you got me there. Yeah, So 113 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: he was mostly in the dark and cell. He he 114 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: would find bread and water next to his bed every morning. 115 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: Occasionally the water would taste bitter, and drinking it would 116 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: cause him to sleep more heavily because obviously have been roofied, 117 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: and and on on such occasions when he woke up, 118 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: he find his nails had been trimmed, and his hair 119 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: had been cut, and his bed had been changed. And 120 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: so he was kept alone in this dark little cell, 121 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: cording to himself for for many many years. And eventually 122 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: the guy that was keeping him his cell took him 123 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: out and they wanted a little road trip on foot 124 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: to Nuremberg. Well, this guy basically took him to the 125 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: signal and I said, it kind of leaves and he 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: wandered to the street, and and the rest is history. 127 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: So he's found by the shoemaker, taken to the captain, 128 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: turned over to the jailer, who keeps him in custody 129 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: for a while. And he went to a period of 130 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: several years when he was under the care and tutelage 131 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: of various people, and he quickly learned to read and write. 132 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: In fact, especially so according to according to some people, 133 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: because he came in basically being kind of a kind 134 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: of almost a feral child, barely able to speak, very 135 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: unable to eat, read and write. I probably didn't mention 136 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: that after the captain took him to the police station 137 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: when he was not able to get a coherent answer 138 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: out of him about anything, and one of the policemen 139 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: had this idea to hand him a pan and a 140 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: piece of paper, and so he wrote his name Casper 141 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: Hauser on on that. Other than that, he was not 142 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: able to say much other than you know, I don't know, 143 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: and I want to be a soldier like my father. Wait, 144 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: so somebody took the time to so not hang out 145 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: with him, teach him how to sign his name. Yeah, 146 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: I know. It's a little weird, isn't that That That 147 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: that that smells a little fishing. Yeah, I know, I know. 148 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: There's there's that, and there's a lot about it, And 149 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: which is one of the things about the story. That's 150 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting things about the story is 151 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: that it still captures so many people's imagination. Okay, well, 152 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: let's let's hear what else happened, because I'm I'm I'm 153 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: still skeptical. Yeah, well exactly exactly. There's a lot about 154 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: it that's still a mystery. But you know, I mean, 155 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: we're here, we're all about solving mysteries. So all of 156 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: you out there who have been puzzling for decades over 157 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: this mystery, we're gonna solve it for you tonight. So 158 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: he as I said, and I'm not going to go 159 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: into great detail about this stuff. About the various people 160 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: he came under the tutelage of. One of them was 161 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:46,479 Speaker 1: an English nobleman named Lord Stanhope, was a great philanthropist 162 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: and who actually once he took him under his wing 163 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: pages living expenses for the rest of his life, which 164 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: I actually didn't go on for very long. I'll I'll 165 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: run back a little bit. There was an incident where 166 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,719 Speaker 1: he was cutting the forehead um and according to him, 167 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: he wants he somebody and he said it was the 168 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: same person, the same guy who took him to Nuremberg, 169 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: the person who arranged him. The person. Yeah, the same 170 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: man showed up slashed him with a knife on the 171 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,719 Speaker 1: forehead and basically said if you leave, if you leave 172 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: this city, you are a dead man. It's still kind 173 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: of ambiguous as to whether this actually happened, to whether 174 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: perhaps he inflicted the wound on himself. Um. And so 175 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: there was that ang About eighteen twenty nine or so, 176 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: there began to be speculation because word got out about 177 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: Casper that and people came from all over the city 178 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: to see him because he was such a curiosity, and 179 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: word got out. A rumor started that he was perhaps royalty, 180 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: and that perhaps he had he was actually a prince 181 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: of the House of Boden, And I'm not a student 182 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: of European royalty. Apparently Boden is related to the Bodens 183 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: Edie to Napoleon etcetera. And so that's a long lineageer 184 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: a well known lineage. Yeah. And so anyway, I said, 185 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: apparently there was a prince born in eighteen twelve who 186 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: died at the age of about two and a half 187 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: weeks and yeah, and the story goes that that perhaps 188 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: there was a competing tinggent contingent to the family that 189 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: because Casper, if he was indeed the prince, would have 190 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: been the last surviving line or less surriving person in 191 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: that line, or would have gone over to like the 192 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: father's brother and his descendants. And so the theory is 193 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: is that if Casper had been that baby, and if 194 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: they had, say, for example, swapped and I found a 195 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: baby that was already dying of natural causes, to a 196 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: quick swap sand Casper off to the sticks or whatever, 197 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: who cares, you know, the baby dies and the kingship 198 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: passes over to you know, the uncle Casper. And so 199 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 1: that rumor started about eight and it persisted actually for 200 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: many years. Actually there were people up in the twenties 201 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: century doing d DNA analysis on what there are believed 202 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: to be remnants of Casper Houser's hair, for example, to 203 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: see if perhaps he is related to the House of 204 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: Bottom and they actually the results were inconclusive. It was like, yeah, 205 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: there's there's a strong correlation, but not quite strong enough 206 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: to prove anything. And you know, so anyway, that's where 207 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: it's at. But so it's it's a tenuous theory at best. Yeah, 208 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's uh, and and and and it's not supported 209 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: by some of the other facts, which is that doing 210 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: a baby swapping in the House of Royalty is probably 211 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: not that easy. I wouldn't think so. I would imagine 212 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: that would be something that they would try to make 213 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: very hard, you would, thanks, So yeah, okay, But anyway, 214 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:54,599 Speaker 1: that was that was a widely believed theory, and so 215 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: therefore that that's kind of like lens support to this 216 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: whole thing. That a guy shows up and threatened said 217 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: of the he ever leaves Nuremberg, you know, his life 218 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: is forfeit, and YadA, YadA, YadA, and slashes him with 219 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: a knife. And so anyway, a bunch of stuff went by. Um, 220 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: he was living with out of the tutelage of various people, 221 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: many of which he seemed to eventually alienate, and then 222 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: at the very end he wants up stabbed in the 223 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: chest fatally took him three days to die. But that's 224 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: not fun, not really now. So he so December eighteen 225 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: thirty three, so this is five days or five years, 226 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: excuse me? After he was actually found counsel with a 227 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: wound in his chest, and he claims that he was 228 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: lured to the Ansbach Court garden in Nuremberg and then 229 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: a stranger tried to hand him a purse and then 230 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: while handing the purse, stabbed him in the chest. And 231 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: the message there was a message in the purse because 232 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: the police want to the park and they found it, 233 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 1: and the message read and Hauser will be able to 234 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: tell you quite precisely how I look and from where 235 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: I am to save houses the effort. I will tell 236 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: you myself from where I come blank blank, I come 237 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: from like blank little Bavarian border blank blank on the 238 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: river blank blank blank. I will even tell you the 239 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: name Damn l SO initials. So a cryptic message. Wait, 240 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm confused, what's the blanks? Were those dashes in the 241 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: letter or what's going on there? I'm I'm a little 242 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: confused because I've seen that I've seen something on this 243 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: story and that's never made sense to me. I am 244 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: blank is yeah, are you telling us they're not? Yeah, 245 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: I will tell you. And now now I'm not going 246 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: to tell you. I wrote this out ahead of time 247 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: so that when I got there, I could tell the 248 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: coast clearance. Going to write it in myself. It seems 249 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 1: weird that there's these pre made blanks. Yeah, yeah, and 250 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: so and so. Anyway, but again this deepness of mystery 251 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,599 Speaker 1: because even though that, even though there's a lot of 252 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: absurdities and inconsistencies, people want to believe what they want 253 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: to believe, you know, and so there's a lot of 254 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: people after he died, we was thinking, all he was 255 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: murdered because he was a rightful prince, you know in 256 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: YadA YadA um. Why was he at the park? Do 257 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: we know? Uh? He later said that he was tricked 258 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: into going to the park with the promise of information 259 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: about his mother. But you know, he didn't say who. 260 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean. Obviously, he had three days to die, so 261 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: plenty of times to spill the beans about everything, but 262 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: he didn't give up out any useful information. Apparently, he 263 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: didn't say, for example, whether he was like sent a 264 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: note or somebody who told him this in person or what. 265 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: So he uh waited by the artesian well in the park. 266 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: No one came, so we went across to a monument 267 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: in the park where a man was waiting for him. 268 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: They walked together in the freezing cold. The man made 269 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: as if to give him a document and suddenly stabbed 270 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: him the side, puncturing his long piercing his liver, and 271 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: then ran off. He goes back his naggers back home, 272 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: saying that stab knife out, gave purse. Go the quickly 273 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: they go and they find the person. They find this 274 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: note inside the purse. But this is the thing is 275 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: that the note was written. It was written in mirror scripts. 276 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: So essentially you're hold a piece of papers in the 277 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: mirror and you right backwards. So and okay, I got 278 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: I got I got it. And it was folded in 279 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: a in a way that was apparently characteristic of Casper 280 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Hauser himself. How was it folded? It was folded diagonally 281 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: stuff he instead of folding it like this, so it 282 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: was square corner a corner instead of edge to edge. 283 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: So you fold a diagonally basicly, got it? Yeah, So 284 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: it was folded in a in a manner. And so 285 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: this guy, even though he was a clever huckster in 286 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: my opinion, Uh, you know, a very good con man 287 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: was not that bright about you know, like covering his 288 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: tracks when he did in those sticks like porge murder notes. 289 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: Um so anyway, so so I'm sorry, we do or 290 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: do not know if it was just left blank or 291 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: they just never released that information or no, it was 292 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: left blank. It was left blank. Yeah, yeah, And he 293 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: was stabbed, Joe. You said the left chest, the left 294 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: side of the chest, the left side of the chest, 295 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: through the lung and into liver. Yeah. Is that a 296 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: direct or an upward stroke or a downward stroke. Well 297 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: that's the thing that's kind of mysterious about the whole thing, 298 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: because you know, if it needed is true that his 299 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: liver was punctured. As you know, your liver is on 300 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: the right side of your chest. I mean it's like 301 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: it's not all on the right side. But but in 302 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: order to stab somebody too, the long into the liver 303 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: and into the liver, that's that you know, you're talking 304 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: about at least four or five inches not longer. And 305 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: so is it and is it an easy way to 306 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: stab yourself? Well, that was the thing is a speculation, 307 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: is that he stabbed himself to get attention. Uh. And 308 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: the same thing with the not the slashing of the 309 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: forehead incident where this guy threatened that if he ever 310 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: left the city of Nuremberg then he would be his 311 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: life with fortfit. And that is that he was just 312 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: trying to keep his little legend alive because he liked 313 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 1: the attention, and also by the way that that kept 314 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: people coming to him, like Lord Stanhope, who were benefactors 315 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: who would actually pay for his pay for his expenses 316 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: and stuff like that and keep them want to keep them, 317 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, going. So essentially he screwed up. And the 318 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: first time he slashed himself it wasn't that deep, so hey, 319 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: I can do it again. But now I have this 320 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: knife and oh that went way deeper than I expected, 321 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: and that hurts a lot more. Yeah, and that's that's well, 322 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: that's the thing about it that is a little mysterious though. 323 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: It's because like if you want to if you want 324 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: to like stab yourself, you know, I mean, I mean, 325 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: driving an if that deep into your body, even by accident, 326 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: is pretty difficult. I mean, for forensic specialists, did that 327 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: did that? They agree that it's entirely possible that he 328 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: could have afflicted the wound on himself. But if you 329 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: think about it, if you're gonna puncture your lung and 330 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: your liver, you're gonna drive that knife been pretty damny. Yeah, 331 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: so maybe somebody is seven. But at the same time, 332 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: there are people around who didn't like Casper, because apparently 333 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 1: the guy was a really major flaming jerk, and he 334 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: was widely regarded as a huge liar by the people 335 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: that knew him very well. So it's like the public 336 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: who didn't know him, well, we're all enraptured by his story, 337 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: but the people that actually spent a lot of time 338 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: with them all uniformly seemed to come away convinced that 339 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: the guy was a massive liar. Well, I I can see, okay, 340 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: I can see that somebody did it, but I can 341 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 1: also see a guy who isn't that smart about things. 342 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: We've all seen movies where somebody's gonna fake that they 343 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: got beat up, and so they run their head into 344 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: the door frame and then go, oh wow, that really 345 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: hurts more than I thought. And I could just see 346 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: him going, I need to jab this in, but I 347 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: know that as soon as I stab myself, it's gonna 348 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: hurt and I'm gonna pull it out and it's not 349 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: gonna be credible enough himself against the wall. Yes, yeah, exactly, 350 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, okay, okay, one too. Three. Oh oh, I 351 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't use the eight teenage knife. Oh that's more than 352 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: I expected. Yeah, I can see that happening because people 353 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: have poor judgment and poor pre planning about these kind 354 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: of things, as we well know. You see things like 355 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: that in the news all the time. Did they ever 356 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: find the knife? No, actually it didn't, and it's it's 357 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: actually one of those things too. Where it was he 358 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: was lying on his death, Patty was probably thinking, wow, 359 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: I really should have sterilized that blade before he read ask. Yeah. Now, 360 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: they didn't find the purse with the note in it, 361 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: of course, getting back to the beginning, the letters he 362 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: carried with him, one of which was wrong supposedly his mother, 363 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: the other one was from the guy who raised him 364 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: in the dark little cell on the ground, were written 365 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: in the same handwriting. So that but wait, wait wait, 366 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: wait say that again. They were written in the same handwriting. Yeah, 367 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: and so yeah, are those notes still I mean, did 368 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: are they still around at all? You know, that's a 369 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: good question. I don't know I really don't know, because 370 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: if Casper is so nefariously devious, he's so nefarious but 371 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: so devious about making things for himself, then I would say, well, 372 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: let's compare the quote unquote mirror script handwriting letter to 373 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: the ones that say I want to be in the 374 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: cavalry and see if they're the same handwriting, because that 375 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: would prove if he did it himself or not. Yeah. Yeah, 376 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: the note, the none the purse. They're not specific about this, 377 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: but the note that was found had a spelling air 378 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: and a grammatical error, both of which were fairly typical 379 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: for him. So the writing wasn't necessarily a smoking a 380 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: smoking gun, but apparently those errors were kind of a 381 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: little bit of smoking gun. You know. Again, it's hard 382 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: to say, but it appears to me that the guy 383 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: was just a fraud and that I made up this 384 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: weird stick that would get him some attention and get 385 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: him I'm getta taken care of, versus just being this 386 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: peasant kid who's a homeless kid living in streets of 387 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: Germany and whatever. And it seemed to work really well 388 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: for him, except you know, his like megalomania sort of 389 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: like you know, took over and eventually killed him. He 390 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: killed himself with the knife accidentally, accidentally, or somebody stabbed him. 391 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: It could we be maybe somebody just didn't like him 392 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: and decided to stabb When was he stabbed? December? So 393 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: it's it's December in Nuremberg, which means it covered in snow, 394 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: cold snow. Okay. So they went back to find where 395 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: he was at and follow his blood trail from where 396 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: he came from, absolutely to go to the park, and 397 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: they found they found his foot prints and no other footprints. 398 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: Was there paths in the area They were kept up 399 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: to be clear that he could have been walking on 400 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: if there was the second person. Yeah, exactly. You know, again, 401 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: the accounts are a little vague on that whole thing. 402 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: All they say is they found his footprints in the 403 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: snow and no one else's, which implies to me that 404 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: at the paths had been cleared, they hadn't been cleared 405 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: after every snow flowing, and so they were able to 406 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: find his footprints but nobody else's, which is why they 407 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: thought he had stabbed himself. Well, other people like this, Frank, 408 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: what's his name that I read years ago? I'll play 409 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: devil's advocate. Let's say that the paths were relatively clear, 410 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: and you only find one set of footprints, and that's 411 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: because he walked off onto the path, found that met 412 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: the person got stabbed and walked back. Well, the other 413 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,959 Speaker 1: person would probably for a fast give getaways. Yeah, exactly, 414 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: I want to run as fast as I can. Let's 415 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: not go through through six inches of snow. Let's just 416 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: go through a clear path and just hustle out a 417 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: yeah and yeah. Unfortunately, on all the accounts that I've read, 418 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: nobody gives that amount of detail about about whether the 419 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: passmen cleared years ago. Of course not, we're not there. 420 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: He accounts were not as detailed as they are now. Yeah, yes, 421 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean no. It might be that if he could 422 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: research it, there might somebody might have written a very 423 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: detailed account that actually had that information in it, but 424 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, but it's quite possible. How old 425 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: did Casper appear to be? Did he appeared to be 426 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: the age he claimed or they said he appeared to 427 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: be between the ages of fifteen and eighteen when he 428 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: showed up, that's what they thought, So he maybe looked 429 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: younger than yeah, and he was. It was an anteen 430 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: the year eighteen twenty eight, and he had these letters 431 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: claiming that he had been born in eighteen twelves. So 432 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: they assumed the letters were true and he was sixteen. Uh, 433 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: perhaps he was a little older. So if he was sixteen, 434 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: then according to that account of the sixteen, he died 435 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: at one. Oh yeah, he died. He died pretty young. Yeah, 436 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: that is really young. Really yeah, goodness. They gave him 437 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: beer when he was sixteen, beer and sausage. Dumbass spatted 438 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: out kidding me. Yeah. So anyway, it's one of those 439 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: internal mysteries, but it persists to this day. They did 440 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: DNA analyses. Obviously DNA analysis has not been around for 441 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: very long. Uh. Der Spiegel reported an attempt to match 442 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: a blood sample from underpants assumed to have been his. Uh. 443 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: And apparently apparently they were the wrong enterpants, because in 444 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: two thousand two this was ninety six when der Spiegel 445 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: reported this. In two thousand two, the NST for Forensic 446 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: Medicine for the University of Munster and So analyzed hair 447 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: and body cells from locks of hair and I was 448 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: a clothing that had belonged to him. The items all 449 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: matched DNA. Wise, they did not match the blood from 450 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: the thing, which means that they were using the wrong 451 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: blood and they found that they compared that to a 452 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: DNA segment from Estrad von Meddinger. I think I pronounced 453 00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: that right, I sent it in the female line of 454 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: definitely uh deebo Harns. I think I'm pronouncing that right. 455 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: Who was from the House of Boden. Uh. They were 456 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: not identical, but it was definitely a possibility that there 457 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: was a relationship between Caspar Hauser and the House of Bodden. 458 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: But now the DNA sample that there were referenced against, 459 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: was that someone that was alive at the same time 460 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: or someone in modern times? This I don't know. I 461 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: assume that was somebody in the House of Boden that 462 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: was actually alive and willing to provide a sample. So 463 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: modern times, so we've got two hundred years of between 464 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: for genetics to change. So that would add the mystery 465 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: or the inconclusive inconclusiveness. Yeah and so yeah, so that 466 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: there was there was a high there was a relatively 467 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: high similarity in DNA and not enough to be conclusive. 468 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: Um And as far as matching the DNA was definitely 469 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Debo Harney's um who would have been his other or 470 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: the child that was buried, because obviously there their remains 471 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: are known and they could be dug up and a little. 472 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: The House of Bod does not permit that. Shocking. Shocking. 473 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I would permit it either. Actually, there's 474 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: as urban legend that this guy is related to us. 475 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Just go ahead and dig up all our old relatives, 476 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,239 Speaker 1: what the heck exactly? So so yeah, anyway, it's an 477 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: interesting little thing, which is, you know, may maybe all 478 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: that stuff is true, but mostly I think it's probably 479 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: a fraud. And I think a lot of people bought 480 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: into it because people wanted to buy want to buy 481 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: into lurid stuff like that. So you're you're you're convinced 482 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: he's a sham. Uh, not a hundred percent, but convinced 483 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: he's a sham. Yes, Yeah, I don't know. I don't 484 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: know where I come down on this. I think that 485 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine someone being so desperate 486 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: for attention that they would stab themselves that deep, even 487 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: by accidents. But I I don't really know where I 488 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: stand on it. I'd have to do a little more research. 489 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: Think I I have mixed feelings on it, so I 490 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: don't I don't say that he was a huckster sham, 491 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: but I don't say I'm not convinced that was the 492 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: way that Casper said it happened. The only reasons that 493 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: I say that is I've I've read some accounts of this, 494 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: and the things that didn't ring true for me against 495 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: Casper is the fact that the incident where he his 496 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: he somebody barged in on him in the bathroom and 497 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: caught him in the forehead. The problem that I had 498 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: with that, and there's other accounts that were similar where 499 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: he had evidently he had a couple of runnins of 500 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: getting stabbed or beat up and stuff like that by 501 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: bad people, is that in that particular where we got 502 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: his head cut, they followed the blood trail from the 503 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: bathroom to his room and then to the seller where 504 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: he had gone to hide. And it's see, it's very plausible. 505 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: And people said, well, he didn't really think this through 506 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: very well as he cut himself and then said, oh 507 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: what am I gonna do with the razor, went back, 508 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: washed it off, went back to his room, put it 509 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: in his room, and then went and hid, which seems 510 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: like poor planning, which a lot of these things seem 511 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: as if from the outside they're very sensational, but once 512 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: you look at him, it's very poorly planned, which is 513 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: somebody's got this great idea, but they just don't think 514 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: about how to tie it together, and so it just 515 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: it's really loose and there's nothing credible about. Yeah, exactly 516 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: the whole idea that you know, like say, for example, 517 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean if if I was if I was stabbed 518 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: or slashed by somebody, I would run to where there 519 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: were people, exactly. I wouldn't run and hide in a 520 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: cellar where I'm isolated that could be stabbed again, you know, 521 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Well, and and here's the here's 522 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: the other problem with that, do you And this is 523 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: again I've seen the an accounts, and and the accounts 524 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: that's the hard part of the accounts are two years old. 525 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: People are interpreting them because the language is different now 526 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: than it was then. But the accounts talk about the 527 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: fact that he had been in a big argument or 528 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: been chastised by his the people that were currently hosting 529 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: him in their home, so he was in trouble. He 530 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: got in trouble, and he got his hand slapped for 531 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: doing something wrong and bad and he wanted to get 532 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: in everybody's good graces. So I'm gonna get attacked and 533 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: everybody will love me and hug me and forget about 534 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: that I did wrong. It's very It's like a five 535 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: year old or a three year old. I I I 536 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: the cat broke that. I didn't break that. Oh god, 537 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: the kid he scratched me. Kind of Yeah. I was 538 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: gonna say that actually might be evidence for him actually 539 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: being a part of the royal family, because that's very 540 00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: indicative of in breeding. That's so true. But but the 541 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: thing about it is is it's true. Is you know 542 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: what what was consistent about him was what he was 543 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: taken in by a lot of different people and families 544 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: and stuff, and consistently he managed to alienate all of them, 545 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: every single one of them, because every one of them 546 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: came away with the impression that he was an incredible 547 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: liar and you know, and a fraud. And there's something 548 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: else I said, Yeah, there's another another huge glaring in 549 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: his inconsistency or just whatever you wanna call it, is 550 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: the claim to have been kept for sixteen years and 551 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: a little hole and be fed nothing but bread and water. Well, 552 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: excuse me, you would die. I mean, you know, that's 553 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, that's very true. Yeah, you're not gonna 554 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: You're not gonna be able to survive on that diet. 555 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. And so they were just a number of 556 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: like I said, you've got he comes into town with 557 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: two letters written in the same handwriting, by written by 558 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: two people sixteen years apart. And but they're in the 559 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: same handwriting. And so I think, well, this is the strongest, 560 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: the best answer for this whole thing is that many, 561 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: many people wanted to believe something that was just outlanderously silly. 562 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: And people want to believe, and they and they do 563 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: want to believe, and so and so, even to this date, 564 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: people believe in this crap. Well, obviously we're curious about 565 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: wanting possibly want to believe, because we're still doing stories 566 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: like this. This is what we do. We all look 567 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: into this stuff because we still we find it fascinating. So, 568 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're almost on the same level. It's 569 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: just that we have the benefit of all this research 570 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: coming ahead of us accused, and just really super good 571 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: looks that people out there don't have. Sorry, yeah, you know, 572 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: I I get off the model runway, I take off 573 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: my awesome sunglasses. I shake out my full head of 574 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: hair and I walk and I go ahead and I 575 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: start researching stuff like this, because that's that's just what 576 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: my life is, the runway. That's not what I do. 577 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: What I do is I jumped in the Ferrari with 578 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: my intern. My intern is taking notes, and I'm speeding down, 579 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: speeding on the highway in Malibu and at ninety miles. Yeah, 580 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: that's so how that's kind of how it works for me. 581 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: How about you, Devin House, has it worked for you. 582 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm not a model, so I don't know. I thought 583 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: you that's it, You're out. I thought, Oh, I thought 584 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: we were doing mysteries. I think if you want to 585 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: find out more about Casper Houser, we will have links 586 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: on our website, which is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. 587 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: And also if you have any more information of any theories, 588 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: so you know, what are just complaints or our Casper Houser. 589 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, if you are Casper Houser or the stander 590 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: from Casper Houser or just sender from the House of Boden, 591 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: then we would like to hear from you, so please 592 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: uh as an email at Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail 593 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: dot com anyway. That's it for tonight. We will talk 594 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: to you guys soon. I am Joe. Good night, I'm Devin, 595 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: and goodnight. This is Stephen. I'll be talking to you soon.