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Speaker 3: Here we go, It's our two. And on Wednesday, Flying

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Speaker 3: through It Baby live in La Warm La.

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Speaker 1: I was down in MB last night. J Mack, your territory.

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Speaker 1: Got ready to call you and Luke and have a

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Speaker 1: game of basketball in the backyard.

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Speaker 4: Luca's got a newborn. He can't hang.

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Speaker 3: You got about six kids, you can't eat.

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Speaker 4: I do not have six kids.

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Speaker 5: You actually do right the old blended accent.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: So I've said before, I'm kind of rooting for the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills to win a Super Bowl for two reasons.

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Speaker 1: The city. He deserves it. My wife used to work

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Speaker 1: in HR. She was always like nicest people in the

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Speaker 1: world in Buffalo. And it's just like I just root

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Speaker 1: for like the Cubs to win a World Series. It's like,

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Speaker 1: come on, the great fans, Waveland Avenue, Wrigley Field, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there is very little.

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Speaker 3: I was just talking to somebody about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: If Wrigley Field was over in Europe, everybody would be like,

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Speaker 1: oh it once in your life, you gotta fly to

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Speaker 1: Europe and go to Wrigley It's unbelievable. I now live

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Speaker 1: in Chicago most of the time. It's incredible. And so

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Speaker 1: you root for the Cubs. I root for Buffalo. But

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, this should be the year, the moment in

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Speaker 1: time he wins. Mahomes may not make the playoffs. Burrow's

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Speaker 1: not gonna make the playoffs. Lamar Jackson may not make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Justin Herbert is just trying to stay alive

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Speaker 1: with that offensive line.

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Speaker 3: This should be the year. But I don't think they're

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Speaker 3: gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: And I think it reminds me he just won AFC

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Speaker 1: Player of the Week third time this year. This reminds

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Speaker 1: me of John Elway with Denver. John Alway had a

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Speaker 1: lot of good teams. He was the most talented quarterback

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Speaker 1: for a decade his generation. And Dan Reeves was a

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Speaker 1: good coach. Mike Shanahan was a better fit and a

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Speaker 1: great coach. They had to upgrade from a really good

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Speaker 1: coach and he had to get Terrell Davis and then

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Speaker 1: John Elway instead of getting blown out in Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: started winning them. That's where I feel we are with

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I like Sean McDermott, He's Dan Reeves. It's

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Speaker 1: an offensive league, man. They just too many times, situationally

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Speaker 1: in big spots they get worked. And I like James Cook.

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Speaker 1: He leads all running backs with fumbles. They can't stop

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Speaker 1: the run. They're tight ends only on offense throwing the

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Speaker 1: ball down the field. He needs his Mike Shanahan and

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. Somebody who played with Elway and Mike Shanahan.

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Speaker 1: Mark Schlareth is joining us live from Denver. So you

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Speaker 1: played only with Shanahan, so you didn't experience the Reeves.

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Speaker 1: And there is some I don't think John always difficult,

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Speaker 1: Shanny was a better fit. I look at Buffalo, Mark,

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Speaker 1: I believe this is their year. Mahomes Burrow, you've watched

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Speaker 1: them play. What's your take on my take that even

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Speaker 1: though we like McDermott, I feel like it's time.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you're losing a game to the Cincinnati

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Speaker 6: Bengals who don't have a defense a week ago. And

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Speaker 6: when the going gets rough, whether it's flay off football,

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Speaker 6: whether it's a game like last week, it always feels

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Speaker 6: like the coaching staff says, hey, Josh, go win this

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Speaker 7: Go do something remarkable.

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Speaker 6: Put on your Superman cape, make an an unbelievable throw,

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Speaker 6: or scrap for forty yards and beat somebody.

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Speaker 7: That's what it feels like in Buffalo.

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Speaker 6: And I was doing a Miami game a couple of

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Speaker 6: and I thought, to myself, they can't stop the run.

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Speaker 7: I looked at, and I was thoroughly unimpressed with the

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Speaker 6: I was blown away by their quarterback, but thoroughly under

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Speaker 7: Colin, so I'm with you. This is the year No Burrow.

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Speaker 6: As you mentioned no Mahomes as you mentioned Lamar.

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Speaker 7: Maybe maybe not. I don't know.

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Speaker 6: This feels like the year that if you put it

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Speaker 7: And yet I don't. I don't. I'm with you. I

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Speaker 6: I think they're too flawed everywhere else and they just

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Speaker 1: So you did Shador Sanders game last week, which was

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Speaker 1: actually a very entertaining game, and I said, I don't

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Speaker 1: believe the conspiracy theories. I think Dylan Gabriel played so

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Speaker 1: many college games he was just more ready to be

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Speaker 1: But I don't think there was a conspiracy theory. It's

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Speaker 1: Dylan had so many reps in college, like bow Nicks,

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Speaker 1: he was kind of ready to play. What did you

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Speaker 1: make a shaduor soup the nuts top to bottom? What

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Speaker 7: Yeah? No, I agree with you on that. I mean, the.

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Speaker 6: Conspiracy theorists are stupid. I had like, like you've got

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Speaker 6: one of thirty two teams. There's there's one called he's

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Speaker 6: been the two time coach of the Year, and you

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Speaker 6: think he's bringing out the crappy plays for Shador to

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Speaker 6: run to sabotage him, Like, what what are we talking about?

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Speaker 6: Any of you conspiracy theorists are dumb. You're just dumb.

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Speaker 6: It's not how the NFL works. I mean, the odds

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Speaker 6: And you know, ultimately, you've got to have a guy

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Speaker 6: grease board. Well, listen, maybe that's not Shador's strong suit.

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Speaker 6: He told me, Man, I learned by playing. That's where

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Speaker 6: growth to go as far as becoming a complete NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 6: you know, anticipatory throws, reading a defense, and doing all

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Speaker 7: But he's exceptionally gifted.

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Speaker 6: I was shocked at how good he was in that

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Speaker 7: That's where he is great.

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Speaker 6: But like all young quarterbacks cam Ward on the other side,

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Speaker 6: they still are a work in progress when it comes

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Speaker 6: to learning an offense and learning how to orchestrate through

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Speaker 6: a progression. And you know, his strong suit isn't anticipatory throws.

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Speaker 6: Finding the one on one coverage and absolutely letting it eat.

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Speaker 6: And he threw a couple of guys open with some

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Speaker 7: But that stuff is easy to see.

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Speaker 6: It's the other things, you know, the underlying things that

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Speaker 6: where he needs a lot of work. And you know

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Speaker 6: he's going to get his opportunity here in the next

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Speaker 6: four weeks to get that done. But to think that

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Speaker 6: a coach is going to sabotage a player because he

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Speaker 6: doesn't like them. Your it's your reputation, it's your legacy,

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Speaker 7: That's the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I like about you living in

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Speaker 1: Denver and the Broncos being good is you watch, you

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Speaker 1: have sources, You watch every practice.

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Speaker 3: You know you get.

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Speaker 1: You get the video that we don't get. You get

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Speaker 1: the stories. Reading the Denver pub to watch the news.

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Speaker 1: You are you are embedded, feet on the ground. And

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Speaker 1: obviously you know I love Peyton. I think their roster

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Speaker 1: is excellent. I don't watch every snap, but I watch

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Speaker 1: every game to some point. Where have you seen the

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Speaker 1: growth with bow Nicks or has there been because he

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Speaker 1: you kind of feel like his game is his game?

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Speaker 1: Have you seen growth or are you concerned that you

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Speaker 1: know he's still really uneven. Great in the fourth not

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Speaker 6: Yeah, last three weeks or so, I've seen a ton

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Speaker 6: of growth. Colin Okay, And I think I think the

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Speaker 6: I think one of the hard things to do when

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Speaker 6: this subdued nature. You have to play in a rhythm,

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Speaker 6: and I think where bow struggles is that competitive nature

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Speaker 6: gets a little frenetic. You know, he doesn't climb the pocket,

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Speaker 6: he sprints up in the pocket. And I watched him

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Speaker 6: early in the in the year where he climbed the

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Speaker 6: hard he missed a wide open receiver because he bumped

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Speaker 6: calm down. But like, that's part of that kind of

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Speaker 6: significant strides is calming down, having calmer feet, climbing the pocket,

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Speaker 7: In the pocket. And basically, and this is.

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Speaker 6: Gonna sound crazy, occasionally taking a sack or two right,

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Speaker 6: and that to me signifies, hey, man, there's some growth here.

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Speaker 6: I don't have to be you know that that crazy

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Speaker 6: athletic company a competition, dude, and I can just orchestrate.

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Speaker 6: And you look at last week, and I know a

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Speaker 6: lot of people you know here in Denver got all

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Speaker 6: upset because well, they didn't push the ball down the

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Speaker 6: two hundred and twelve yards and it was as good

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Speaker 6: as you can play. They had two fourteen play drives

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Speaker 6: possessions and ran seventy two plays. They were unbelievably efficient,

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Speaker 6: and bo was taking what the defense gave him. He

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Speaker 6: his answers were to blitzes and pressures. I thought he

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Speaker 6: played probably the best game I've seen him play. And

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Speaker 6: it wasn't statistically huge. It's not what you're gonna win

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Speaker 6: MVPs on. It's just how you're gonna win games in

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Speaker 6: the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So you have the Texans this week, and I said

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Speaker 1: the two teams. I would not want to play the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks in the NFC. They are so fast and aggressive

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to play the Texans. They've got playoff experience.

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Speaker 1: I think Demiko Ryans. You talk about schemes, you're watching

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Speaker 6: You know, it's always funny you kind of study the

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Speaker 7: And they don't just try to win or beat you.

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Speaker 6: They tried to obliterate you. They tried to embarrass you.

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Speaker 6: And you know what I love about them? And this

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Speaker 7: I want to know what we are on offense.

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Speaker 7: The Houston Texas, to me, are simple.

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Speaker 6: They're just a simple football team that absolutely bludgeons people.

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Speaker 6: They're the best defense in football. And I live in Denver.

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Speaker 6: But the Houston Texas, like I don't see a weakness

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Speaker 6: They are loaded, They shut down tight ends. They are

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Speaker 6: They can't block a lot of people, but that defense

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Speaker 1: Finally, speaking of Kansas City, is it a rebuild or

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's more of a retool. They've had

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Speaker 7: Still going to have my homes. Obviously, Kelsey is not

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Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing with Kansas City really, you

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Speaker 6: that really hasn't been the case this year. But I

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Speaker 6: still think it's more of a retool. But man, when

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Speaker 6: you travel around the league, Colin, and you do games

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Speaker 6: when that guy played in Kansas City. Oh yeah, that

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Speaker 6: it's that's what happens when you are an elite level

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Speaker 3: In free agents.

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Speaker 6: Because free agency because not only are they really good

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Speaker 6: also have a championship pedigree that you want to bring

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Speaker 7: So that's what happens to great teams.

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Speaker 6: It's been an unbelievable run over the last seven years.

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Speaker 6: And being that I'm a Denver Bronco or a former

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Speaker 6: a Bronco. I'm happy to say that. I'm glad the

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Speaker 7: It makes me very happy.

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Speaker 1: Mark slera Fox Sports, Cardinals, Texans this Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Good talking to you, a bud.

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Speaker 7: Likewise, Collin, take everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's look at.

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Speaker 1: The AC and NFC playoff picture. Moswell throwed up there

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Speaker 1: one more time. It's a I mean, nobody would have

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Speaker 1: but you know it's it's not historically. I mean, what's

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Speaker 1: San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia's on hard times. I like Seattle's

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Speaker 1: can tell the NFC's better on the AFC because we're

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Speaker 1: getting who we thought great coaches, elite quarterbacks, elite rosters.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of shock.

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Speaker 1: For about six years, we kind of five years, we

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Speaker 4: This's not that good, they're saying.

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Speaker 5: So someone put together an interesting comparison of strength of schedule,

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Speaker 5: or not. The New England Patriots have played the thirty

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Speaker 5: of bad teams have would you believe Denver has played

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Speaker 5: It gets worst, Chargers thirtieth, Bills twenty eighth, the team

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Speaker 5: to watch, Houston Texans have played these second toughest schedule. Yes,

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Speaker 5: you look at the teams they've played, they're all good.

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Speaker 1: So if there's a great point, So there's a reason

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Speaker 1: Denver is an underdog at home to Green Bay exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason New England at home, Yeah, is an

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Speaker 3: We don't buy their wins.

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Speaker 1: If I had the guest today, looking at all these

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Speaker 5: Woof right now, let me guess we're hot on the Texans.

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Speaker 5: They just beat the Chiefs. I went and bet some

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Speaker 5: Texans to win the AFC Texans would you do last night?

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Speaker 4: Huh?

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Speaker 3: AFC Championship? Look at that? Who would you do?

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Speaker 5: I mean, whoever gets the buy has a big edge, clearly,

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Speaker 5: I think it'll probably be the Patriots, and I will

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Speaker 4: And I'm the same way as of now I would do.

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Speaker 1: I would sounds goofy and we're gonna get to I

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Speaker 1: totally agree. I think in Foxborough it's gonna be it's

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Speaker 1: Ryan's Rabel. I would take New England Denver. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe you said that, So let's go.

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Speaker 4: To the NA New England, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I would go to New England host no New England

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Speaker 4: That Eagles defense last year was off like Hurs.

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Speaker 4: Say CuO was good, Eagles defense is nasty.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to the NFC.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 3: Now let me let me just so right now, boy,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and again there's reseting I would get.

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Speaker 4: I assume you think Rams are gonna get tonight.

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Speaker 1: I think Rams Packers feels like the team I would

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Speaker 1: the two teams at the top right now, Rams and

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. I got a plus coaches, excellent quarterbacks, good

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Speaker 5: So if you're hot on strength of schedule, the Rams

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Speaker 5: Philadelphia fifth toughest schedule of opponents so far this year.

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Speaker 5: So if you look at this skit, they've played a

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Speaker 5: they're struggling. The one team I would watch is San

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Speaker 5: Francisco Colin. They're getting healthy. They had the late by

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Speaker 5: But the NFC is way tougher to diagram than the AAFC.

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Speaker 3: Is just not good. Right now, that's good stuff, you like.

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Speaker 4: You said Rams and Packers. Yeah, I think that that's good.

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Speaker 5: I just don't we like the ram They don't have

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Speaker 4: So if the Packers come here seventy thirty green.

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Speaker 1: Bay, yeah, yeah, God, that would be that'd be a

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Speaker 1: hard to go against Sean Payton because he'll manipulate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Denver's been so good in the fourth quarter. They're very

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Speaker 5: Would you bet Jordan Love to win the MVP right now? No,

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Speaker 5: Josh Allen, Josh Allen MVP. Oh come on, he had

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Speaker 5: more support. Jordan Love has a great coach, and Allen won.

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Speaker 4: It last year. Remember the media votes for this stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love's got a Jordan Love has a much better defense,

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Speaker 5: I don't think the media thinks like that was the footing.

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Speaker 1: the Patriots. He can't lose to the Patriots twice or right,

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Speaker 1: Drake May would get the MVP over Josh Allen. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, we always do this.

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Speaker 1: What happens if what if Drake May and Mike Rabel

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Speaker 1: A tell you if you own the Bills, Mike Rabel's

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Speaker 1: you if I own the team and I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Rabel comes in. Rabel's still in a rebuild. New England

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Speaker 1: still needs another draft. Maybe they've got some Their offensive

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Speaker 1: line is not great, their run games not very dynamic.

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Speaker 1: That is I'm telling you. We keep saying this. That

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Speaker 1: is a big game for Buffalo this weekend. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can't get swept by Drake mayn Vrabel.

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Speaker 5: Is that the biggest game on the schedule, Well, it

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Speaker 5: is Nickers Broncos, but also yeah, yeah, yeah, Patriots Bills.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe hit that thumbs up icon and coming away by

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Speaker 1: the way, the big revenue New York Mets here we go.

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Speaker 1: Just lost Pete Alonso, the soul, the heart and soul

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Speaker 1: of their franchise to the Baltimore Orioles.

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Speaker 3: Small market.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore stole Pete Alonso from the Mets, so Edwin.

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Speaker 3: Diaz, their ace.

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Speaker 1: Dodgers got him, but Baltimore and Steve Cohens, the richest

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Speaker 1: baseball owner, the little guy, came in and swiped Pete Alonzo.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure this will be handled with nuance and grace

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Speaker 1: and dignity by wf an hosts.

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Speaker 5: Were the Mets good this year for most of the

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Speaker 5: season and then collapsed or something like that?

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Speaker 4: I mean through the Mets here.

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Speaker 5: The Mets and Giants are just total poverty franchises right now,

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Speaker 5: just so bad behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: The melting down is going to be unbelievable. But you

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Speaker 1: know again, falls up. I mean to me, the Cubs

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Speaker 1: are good, the Dodger's good, the Yankees good. I'm waiting

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Speaker 1: for the Braves to kick it.

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Speaker 4: Phillies are the Red Sox backer.

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Speaker 1: The Red Sox make a lot of revenue, they don't

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Speaker 1: spend enough of it. The Phillies are back. Phillies are

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Speaker 1: really good.

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Speaker 4: They are good.

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Speaker 1: So I mean Kyle Schwarber. The Phillies re signed him.

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Speaker 1: He's not their best player, but he's kind of the

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Speaker 1: soul of the franchise. Everybody loves Kyle Schwarber. That to me,

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Speaker 1: that's Pete Alonso is either best player, No, that's Soto,

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Speaker 1: but he is the soul of the franchise. And Steve

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Speaker 1: Cohen let him go to small market Buffalo, Blimore, Baltimore, Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the radio today in New.

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Speaker 4: York, Well, yeah, enough times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure it'll be measured, Yeah, certainly contextualized.

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Speaker 4: Decorum.

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Speaker 3: J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 4: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with some George Pickens, the Cowboys receiver, little

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Speaker 5: drama after the no show against Detroit. Richard Sherman called

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Speaker 5: him out. It's been interesting. Jerry Jones, though he's not

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Speaker 5: that concerned about George Pickens terrible game against the Lions when.

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Speaker 9: It comes to competing, when it comes to loving the game,

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Speaker 9: and I emphasize that point right there, loving the game,

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Speaker 9: I give you may blesses, just so that I'm real

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Speaker 9: clear about it. I don't have the concern that the

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Speaker 9: debate about what George Pickens did or didn't do in

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Speaker 9: that game. I don't have that kind of concern about

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Speaker 9: him as far as it's competing and company us win

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Speaker 9: football games on the field at all.

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Speaker 1: So I was I had the good fortune of having

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Speaker 1: dinner last night with an NFL GM and we talked

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Speaker 1: about this about loving the game and it's and Tony

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Speaker 1: Gonzalez has said this more than once to me when

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Speaker 1: he used to come on the show, is that you'd

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Speaker 1: be surprised how many guys love the game, totally committed

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Speaker 1: to the game. So what Jerry's saying is, I've on

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Speaker 1: this team a long time. Everybody loves it. A lot

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Speaker 1: of them. A lot of my players like it. They

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Speaker 1: like what football can do for them in their life,

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Speaker 1: but they don't love it.

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Speaker 3: And what he sees every.

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Speaker 1: Day is the passion George Pickens has. And I got

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Speaker 1: to tell you this is something with Nil. A lot

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Speaker 1: of times you wonder do the kids love it or

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Speaker 1: do they love what football provides? And you do want

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Speaker 1: to have a locker room with mostly guys who cry

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Speaker 1: when you lose, who deeply care, who are willing to block,

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Speaker 1: you know, do the ugly stuff. Receivers that are willing

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Speaker 1: to block. That's loving the game because cash and it's

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Speaker 1: the easy.

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Speaker 3: Part, right.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's also the aspect of what happens when you're losing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Pickens was at a good school. In college,

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Speaker 5: they didn't lose a lot. He was on the Steelers.

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Speaker 5: They were winning a lot, and then they started losing.

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Speaker 5: And what happened He started dogging it. What happens when

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Speaker 5: they getting smoked by the Lions, he starts dogging it.

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Speaker 4: I just wonder things go south.

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Speaker 7: Do you love it?

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Speaker 4: Or are you just like this sucks? I'm not interested.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, it's fair. It's fair. He's a talent.

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Speaker 5: Though there's some chatter out there, Hey the Chiefs, we

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Speaker 5: need to go get a type type.

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Speaker 4: Let's go get Pickens. I don't see.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that delt with dysfunction. I mean they've

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Speaker 1: they've some of their guys have been in trouble. They've

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Speaker 1: dealt with it.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 3: They have a good they have a sound structure. New

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Speaker 3: England could deal with a little bit of that.

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Speaker 5: I wonder Uh, okay, you're not gonna be able to

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Speaker 5: afford Pickens.

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Speaker 4: You move off, Chris Jones. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: They got to make some big moves to get Pickens

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Speaker 5: in there. I think Chris Jones has one more year,

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Speaker 5: big money. Yeah, all right, let's let's move on to

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Speaker 5: story number two, Colin. That's the Denver Broncos riding high

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Speaker 5: ten game win streak, two game lead over the.

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Speaker 4: Chargers in the AFC West.

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Speaker 5: You know, Sean Payton, he's said division, he's not really

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Speaker 5: worried about.

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Speaker 4: He's just taking things week by week.

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Speaker 10: The focus gets so inwardly driven to our own team

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Speaker 10: that I recognize that a team that's won the division

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Speaker 10: for having many straight years won't be able to win

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Speaker 10: it this year. We got a stretch here with some

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Speaker 10: real good football teams coming in, you know, focusing on

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Speaker 10: what we can do to win the division. You know,

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Speaker 10: the Chargers are very much alive in that battle.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The man, the NFL changes so quickly, dynasty to not

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Speaker 1: making the playoffs in a sport where forty percent of

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Speaker 1: the teams.

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Speaker 5: Do, They're not eliminated the Chiefs. Let me just ask

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Speaker 5: you about this vaunted Broncos defense. So I got some

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Speaker 5: numbers because I've.

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Speaker 4: Looked at this game.

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Speaker 5: So the Colts, you know, they had seven point one

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Speaker 5: yards per play, four hundred and seventy three yards against

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Speaker 5: this Broncos defense. Jackson Dart went up and down the field,

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Speaker 5: five long touchdown drives in Denver. The Chargers six drives

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Speaker 5: of fifty or more yards against this Denver.

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Speaker 4: Is the Denver defense.

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Speaker 5: Awesome or do they get fat and happy against bad teams?

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Speaker 3: I think there's some truth here.

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Speaker 1: Like I look at the Houston Texans and the Seahawks,

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Speaker 1: and I see dominating, aggressive defenses, length, speed, aggressive coach.

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Speaker 1: I look at Denver's and I see one great pass rusher,

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Speaker 1: one unbelievable Hall of Fame level corner, and good players.

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Speaker 1: I like Denver's roster, but I like Bo Nicks and Cortland,

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Speaker 1: Sutton and Miners, the offensive line and Garrett Bowles, I like,

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Speaker 1: I think Harvey's a little underrated. The running back, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he yet a good game. I think they have a

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Speaker 1: receiving core that's long and athletic. I think the Denver

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Speaker 1: talent is spread now. I think he Funga is tremendous.

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Speaker 1: I think the Denver defense, the Denver talent is spread

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Speaker 1: all over the place. I think Seattle and the Texans

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Speaker 1: and the Rams have better defenses. I think Phillies defense

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Speaker 1: is really talent.

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Speaker 4: Well went healthy.

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Speaker 5: They need Jalen carterback obviously, but I would agree with

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Speaker 5: that sentiment. Final story, Klin, Let's go to the matchup

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Speaker 5: Sunday on Fox. Here at so far, what a week

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Speaker 5: for sports in La Stafford versus Golf. Are you excited?

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Speaker 5: Remember the big trade? Obviously back in the day, both

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Speaker 5: teams have benefited. I know the Rams have a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 5: the Lions don't, but this is crazy. We've got a

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Speaker 5: breakdown of the numbers we'll say in a minute of

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Speaker 5: the teams from this trade. Here's Stafford talking about how

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Speaker 5: it was win win for both franchises.

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Speaker 11: I'm happy to be where I am, and I feel

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Speaker 11: like the Lions obviously have capitalized on a lot of

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Speaker 11: the picks and players that they were able to acquire

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Speaker 11: in that trade. Their franchise is as good as it's

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Speaker 11: been ever, you know, and in the last handful of years.

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Speaker 11: So two, you know, successful teams, really good football coaches,

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Speaker 11: good football you know programs at the moment, and uh yeah,

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Speaker 11: it looks like one that you know, both sides got

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Speaker 11: kind of what they were looking for out of it.

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Speaker 11: You know, I think as time goes on, we'll keep

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Speaker 11: looking back on it saying the same thing because you know,

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Speaker 11: it seems to work out for both teams.

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Speaker 3: It's actually it's one of the great even trades ever.

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Speaker 5: Here are the numbers on the screen, like that's legitimately crazy.

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Speaker 4: Now it's almost identical stats.

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Speaker 3: Well, what McVeigh.

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Speaker 1: Wanted was a bigger arm.

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Speaker 3: He thought Stafford had a bigger.

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Speaker 1: Arm, was better pre snap Safford's a better ride.

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Speaker 4: GoF is very good.

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Speaker 1: What the Lions needed was draft capital while maintaining competency

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Speaker 1: at quarterback. But they needed and to the Lions credit,

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Speaker 1: they hit on all those draft picks. Yah, I mean

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Speaker 1: they went like you know, I mean you look at

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Speaker 1: those draft picks they became they kept using and using

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Speaker 1: and manipulating, and they got Brad Holmes a great GM.

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Speaker 1: So that is one of those trades where you know,

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Speaker 1: they wanted a quarterback moving into his athletic prime and

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Speaker 1: draft picks a notch below Stafford. But McVay was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I got to a super Bowl. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I can win one. With Goff and he was right.

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Speaker 1: Stafford is more. It's more elegant, more Tiffany as a

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Speaker 1: as a.

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Speaker 5: Any lean on this game. Besides the oh, I think

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Speaker 5: the total was like fifty five.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be I've told you before when the numbers

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Speaker 1: four or five take the favorite. Yeah, I owe that's

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Speaker 1: to me anytime somewhere between four and five and a half.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you look at the injuries in the

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Speaker 4: secondary for.

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Speaker 3: Detroit branches out round for the year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's devastating because he's a real good chess piece

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Speaker 5: on the back end. I don't know how they slow

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Speaker 5: down Puka and Adams and the three Titans. I think

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Speaker 5: the Rams, I don't know what their team total is.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna score forty here with ease.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Detroit gets a backdoor point, has extra prep time

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Speaker 1: they do, maybe.

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Speaker 4: They get the back door cover. I just I don't

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Speaker 4: totally now.

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Speaker 5: Then, to be clear, the Rams secondary, they were cooked

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Speaker 5: by Bryce Young, the kid who's the kid from Washington,

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Speaker 5: skitty guy, Jayden Dale, the cornerback. He had a good

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Speaker 5: season and then he's starting to get roasted all of

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Speaker 5: a sudden. I have some questions about the Ram secondary

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Speaker 5: but I do like the rams here to uh to

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Speaker 5: dispatch a line.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Fox has this game and Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: who is on our show tomorrow will be calling you,

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Speaker 1: so that is going to be a great game.

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Speaker 5: Thank you to the producer. Forbes is the cornerback, Emmanuel Forbes.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it was good.

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Speaker 5: You go look at that Carolina tape. He was roasted

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Speaker 5: repeatedly by Tech McMillan and company.

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Speaker 7: It was not great.

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Speaker 5: So I do think Ama Rock would have a big

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Speaker 5: game or Jamison Williams.

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Speaker 4: But I like the rams here.

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Speaker 3: J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 7: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.

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Speaker 12: Next time.

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Speaker 1: Danny parkins FS one is always great. He disagrees with

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Speaker 1: me on my baseball take, uh, and then Josh pay

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Speaker 1: the best young voice in college football, will be joining

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Speaker 1: us as well. My baseball take is, with all the

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Speaker 1: platforms and all the streaming eyeballs, we have more choices

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Speaker 1: as consumers, we're distracted on our phones. We have more choices.

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Speaker 1: So Disney has done this mission impossible, the Avengers mission impossible.

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Speaker 1: You've got to go big. You've got to get Tom

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Speaker 1: Cruise to get people into the theater. So you've got

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Speaker 1: to get Spielberg as a director, or Martin Scorsese.

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Speaker 3: You've got to go big. And the Dodgers realizing not

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Speaker 3: only in distractedt LA, but in a distracted.

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Speaker 1: World, they're going all in. They're not going to make

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Speaker 1: as much profit now, but they're building a massive brand

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Speaker 1: in a very distracted baseball world, and they're going to

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Speaker 1: build a dynasty. And it is the way. That's why

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Speaker 1: the NBA and I like the NBA. The NBA is

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Speaker 1: like parody, parody gets lost, Parody gets lost. Parody was

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Speaker 1: great when we had Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, and then

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Speaker 1: it's cable and then it's streaming, and then it's TikTok

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Speaker 1: and then it's ig and then it's all wide. And

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Speaker 1: so the Dodgers are like in LA, which is distracted anyway,

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Speaker 1: beach mountains, Vegas, nearby pro teams. It's like, you've got

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Speaker 1: to go gigantic, you've got to go mission impossible, you've

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Speaker 1: got to go all in. And I think the NBA

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Speaker 1: is in their fields. We want to give little guys

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Speaker 1: a chance. College football is a great example. Go look

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Speaker 1: at the college football ratings at Fox. We had the

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Speaker 1: three highest rated games and there's a lot of Texas,

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Speaker 1: Ohio state. You know, big teams in those games, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: That's why when the PAC twelve folded, nobody was watching

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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve and the best, most interesting teams joined

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Speaker 1: the Big ten. It was like the Big ten got

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Speaker 1: like hgh. And that's when Texas and Oklahoma joined the

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Speaker 1: giant SCC, it was like a little jet fuel. Now

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Speaker 1: you have these two massive conferences in the ratings. As

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Speaker 1: from the roof independent garage band no shot, you gotta

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Speaker 1: go big and the Dodgers owners they get it.

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Speaker 3: Philip Rivers joining the Coles is he talking? Apparently? Is next?

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: Sunday, their Raiders take on Jalen Hurts and the Eagles

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Speaker 5: or other regional action. Then in America's Game of the Week,

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Speaker 5: Jared Gobs leads the Lions against Matthew Stafford and the

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Speaker 1: Know the Miami Dolphins are still all these years later

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Speaker 1: looking for their all these years later, looking for the

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Speaker 1: next Den Reno, and the Broncos had to go get

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning to get their next l Way. It's remarkable

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Speaker 1: since Andrew Luck suddenly retired right before the season for

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Speaker 1: the Colts, the effect that's had on the organization. They

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Speaker 1: have been bailing water at quarterback ever since. Anthony Richardson,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, Carson Wentz, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers and now

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers again at forty four, is coming out of retirement.

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Speaker 1: And here he was this morning on being back with Indy.

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Speaker 12: Like all of us, even me, I mean, you're a

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Speaker 12: little scared, a little nervous, I mean all the above,

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Speaker 12: all the any ages that you throw in there, that's

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Speaker 12: a synonym with those, but excited. You know, as you

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Speaker 12: see every week, whether you're twenty four and in the

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Speaker 12: best shake of your life or whether you're forty four.

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Speaker 7: And and you know not so sure.

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Speaker 12: You know, anything can happen. So that has never been

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Speaker 12: a concern of mine. And you know, you never hope

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Speaker 12: something like that, right or expect something like that, to

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Speaker 12: have him with a shoot something like that happens. I

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Speaker 12: got a long time to recover.

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Speaker 1: Apparently he took that Colts offense implemented it with his

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Speaker 1: son's high school teams, was pretty familiar with the Colts

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Speaker 1: lexicon on offense. He was also asked what he currently weighs.

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Speaker 7: What are you waiting right now, right this second? I'm

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Speaker 7: not sure?

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Speaker 12: Ry how about that? That's an honest answer, and I

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Speaker 12: will answer your question a little better. On the plane away, Greg,

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Speaker 12: and not what it was when I walked up the

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Speaker 12: film in Buffalo. All right, I can tell you that,

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Speaker 12: but then I'll follow that up with I ain't never

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Speaker 12: ran away from anybody anyway. So I'm they you know,

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Speaker 12: people say, well, they know you're gonna be right there,

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Speaker 12: and it's like, well they knew that for sixteen seventeen years.

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Speaker 1: So a remarkable player has the strangest delivery, tough guy,

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Speaker 1: trash talker.

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Speaker 5: Did you hear did you see the report that during

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Speaker 5: his medical examination they asked when was your last colonoscophe

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Speaker 5: Not normally a question for NFL players, but they asked

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Speaker 5: Rivers because he's so old?

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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Speaker 1: No, that's not I was just joking, Okay, not that funny.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was my first takeaway. Is I worry

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Speaker 1: about him now?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: But he is.

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Speaker 1: I will say I always like Philip Rivers because I

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Speaker 1: do like my quarterbacks like I like my furniture. Big

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Speaker 1: and hard to move. And he is a load. He

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Speaker 1: probably weighs now two sixty.

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Speaker 4: He's probably heavier than their some of their linebackers.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he absolutely is. So I worry about his safety.

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Speaker 1: He's such a good guy.

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Speaker 4: Do you really trot him out there in Seattle? Colin,

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Speaker 4: you've seen that front seven men. Well, they're flying around.

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Speaker 3: They have a lot of weapons. Steichen's very smart.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Daniel Jones in recent weeks because of

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Speaker 1: the fibula injury, he couldn't move and by the way,

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Speaker 1: God down for them, well not great.

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Speaker 5: So let me, is there uncertainty heading into this offseason

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Speaker 5: with this team?

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Speaker 4: Like the owners on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: Taking notes, they took a big swing on Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 1: Probably not worth two first round picks, certainly one and

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Speaker 1: maybe a three or whatever. Listen, they face four playoff teams, that's.

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Speaker 5: Probably one and four. They're probably gonna be eight to nine.

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Speaker 5: Here's the worst part. What do you do at quarterback

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Speaker 5: next year.

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Speaker 3: Collin, because they're in the middle of the pack for drafting.

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Speaker 5: No, no, j Jets, We'll get their twenty six first

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Speaker 5: round pick, so that's like seventeenth. And then so do

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Speaker 5: you extend Daniel Jones coming off in achilles.

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Speaker 4: I saw a report this.

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Speaker 5: Is his third season ending injury. He's only twenty eight

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Speaker 5: years old. He's hurt a lot.

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Speaker 1: Could you make a trade with the Niners you need

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Speaker 1: mac Jones? Is there something that Niners could use somebody

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Speaker 1: on DP FAC to Forrest Buckner? I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: that's not terrible. I mean they have they have pulled

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Speaker 1: every lever, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, the Butterfly effect. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's just amazing what Andrew luckx retirement did to this franchise.

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Speaker 4: I feel.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like if, like the Rams have two first

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Speaker 1: round picks, so they're going to draft a quarterback for

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Speaker 1: the future.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, just take it.

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Speaker 1: What if like today, with all of Kansas City's issues, Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: Said, I don't want to play anymore?

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Speaker 4: Oh come on, no, maybe you're just sitting devastating.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course, because you look and you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: well he's still on a contract, and our all line

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Speaker 1: needs work, and our D line needs work. Like Andrew

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Speaker 1: Luck's team wasn't quite there and finished yet and then

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Speaker 1: he stepped out. It just shows you the difficulty. Miami's

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Speaker 1: still trying to find the next Marino. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's it's and Denver's had Like Jake Plumber was good

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Speaker 1: and they went and got t Bow was fascinating, and

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning's good, and I mean they've tried.

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Speaker 4: Here's the worst part.

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Speaker 5: The Jets have their twenty seven first round pick as

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Speaker 5: well in the Sauce Garner deal. Okay, so if Daniel

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Speaker 5: Jones is out half the season, they keep him, Like

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Speaker 5: they're not going to be good next year. I don't

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Speaker 5: want to go overboard, but the GM and coach could

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Speaker 5: be in some trouble.

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Speaker 7: They could.

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Speaker 5: It's not fair, but I just don't see a path

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Speaker 5: to success for them this year or next year. Like

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Speaker 5: maybe your mac Jones' idea fails him out, but they

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Speaker 5: don't have the draft picks to trade for mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: You go play, I think, well, I think yeah, if

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Speaker 1: I'm San Francisco, I don't want just draft pick.

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Speaker 4: Think Tyler Warren is the next George Kittle.

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Speaker 5: Would you give up like, I don't know, they're.

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Speaker 4: In real trouble.

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Speaker 1: Well, they've got a rush end they like in Indie.

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Speaker 1: Would you give the rush.

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Speaker 4: End the kid from UCLA?

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Speaker 3: Give up? Give up a.

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Speaker 1: Rush end and a second round pick for mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: I mean, gonna say what you want, you can't.

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Speaker 5: The way is mac Jones would have a bigger market,

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Speaker 5: wouldn't the Steelers somehow pony up more?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't ever act urgently for quarterbacks there.

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Speaker 1: Steichen and Ballard would be on that in Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: If you Colts and Kyler Murray, did they make a

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Speaker 5: splash move for Kyler Murray?

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Speaker 1: I think stike In has tried the great athlete thing.

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Speaker 1: I think he wants a guy throwing darts from the pocket.