1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: They're so invested in actually winning. I think that's not 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: talked about enough in sports, Like all of the major sports. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Of course it's a business, and of course you have 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: to be successful, but how many of these organizations also 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: place winning on a level platform with success. I think 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: I think they're a case to be made there. I 7 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,159 Speaker 1: think he's absoutely like not only in the running, but 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: everybody's like, whoa, we just it doesn't matter what these 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: other quarterbacks are done. This is the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm Tatum Everett, Gabe Henderson, J Nelson or in TCO 11 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: Radio Studios with me. We've got producer Eric Davidson on 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: the ones and twos, and right off the top, we're 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: going to welcome in a voice you're very familiar with. 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: You heard him all season on the Vikings podcast channel 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: with the tailgate. It's siamitson SI. Have you processed everything 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: so far? How you doing fine? Process? Um? We're going 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: to find out. I Yeah. I like to think that 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: I look at sports and a relatively healthy way where 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: it can really make my day, but it can only 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: ruin it a little bit, right, Like it took me 21 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: a long time to get there, but I got to 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: apploy in my life where if something awesome happens for 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: a team I love, it can really it can really 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: be a great thing, and if it goes the wrong way, 25 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: it's only a little bit of a bad thing. And 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: I've been living in that place for for a while now, 27 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: so you know, I was a bummer. It was a 28 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: bummer way to lose um and uh, but you know, 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of great things 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: happening with the team, and it's going to be a 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: really interesting offseason and a really interesting future. It feels, 32 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, the last few years kind of felt like 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: you were grabbing at a last chance for something, and 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: now it kind of feels like we're at the beginning 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: of something. And you know, I think that makes a 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: tough loss like that a little easier. But what I 37 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: generally do is just disappear from communication channels for a 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: little while so I don't like lose my job or 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: get yelled at. That's the way that I emotionally. Jay 40 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: had Jay get texted by me all season longs during 41 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: the games, like he could put out a book that 42 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: was like, here's why you shouldn't hire side, don't share 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: don't share phone numbers with side, Like I am still 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: like a fan. I am. It's been so wonderful to 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: work for the teams, and but I like, well, not 46 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: to go off on a cane, But so when I 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: first moved to LA and I was like, it like, 48 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: I'm an okay actor and I'm the worst auditioner on 49 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: the face of the planet. I am terrible at it, 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: and so I wasn't very good at getting jobs. And 51 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: I like there was something about auditioning and acting that 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: kind of stole a little bit of the magic away 53 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: from television because then all of a sudden, now you're 54 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: watching television and you're like, you're thinking of it and 55 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: how it's made, rather than escaping into the fictional world 56 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: they built, you know too much exactly. Yeah, So I 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: kind of had to build this defense mechanism to keep myself, 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, enjoying things. And I've been able to do 59 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: that in sports a little bit too, where I've let 60 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: myself maintain being a psychopath fan while still working for 61 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: the team. And that's the way I handle that, is 62 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: I walk away for a while when my emotions are 63 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: running high. That's called self preservation. Yeah, I'm not on Twitter? 64 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: Is that by choice? Something like somebody liked it year 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: ago on Twitter account, like they hacked it and turned 66 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: it into a fake elon musk House that was like 67 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: promoting crypto platform arms and I just never took it back. Wow, 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: how relevant now? Sorry that that might be the best 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: acting job you've ever done. That You actually didn't do 70 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: that yourself. Did you have to audition for that? Yeah? Yeah, 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: I failed miserably for sure. Sorry. You talked about this 72 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: year just felt different? What what? What gives you that 73 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: feeling of hope going forward? I want to see how 74 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: I want to phrase this. I mean, obviously it's O'Connell. 75 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: It's crazy, it's just newness. I think newness is always hope. 76 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: We had a guy on the tailgate this year, Jay 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: and I that said this great thing like he's not 78 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: smart enough or rich enough to make the decisions for 79 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: his team, and so when the decisions are made, he 80 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: starts at this place of like, I'm going to give 81 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: this coach or general manager or quarterback or whoever it 82 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: is my trust and tell they proved that I shouldn't right. 83 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really fun way to look 84 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: at sports. And so far these guys like the last 85 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: few years before Quasi, and you know, I'm super appreciative 86 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: of what Mike Zimmer and Rick Spielman had done for 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: the team, but you know it didn't as a fan, 88 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of years weren't the most fun years 89 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: fan experience wise for me that I've had as a 90 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: Minnesota Viking fan. And so I think, knowing that we 91 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: have a couple of owners, knowing that we have owners 92 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: that are so I don't want to sound like a 93 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: suck up, but they're so invested in actually winning, I 94 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: think that's not talked about enough in sports, like all 95 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: of the major sports. Of course, it's a business, and 96 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: of course you have to be successful, but how many 97 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: of these organizations also place winning on a level platform 98 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: with success and view it as a part of success. 99 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: And our guys do that. Hired people who you know, 100 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: through this first season haven't given you any reason to 101 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: not believe in him, Like, no one's gonna hit one 102 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: hundred right, one hundred percent, no one's going to no 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: one's gonna hit everything out of the park. But between 104 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: the culture, we saw the situational coaching. Even with all 105 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: the things that people were saying, you know with a 106 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: point different YadA, YadA, YadA. There were so many good things, 107 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: like if you watch the postgame locker room talk, like 108 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: listening to Kevin O'Connell interview with Ben Leeber after the 109 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: game and then watching his locker room talk, like, I 110 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: don't know how you can't be excited for that guy 111 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: into the future. And you know, I know, you know, 112 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: our last year's draft class, there were some unfortunate injuries 113 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, so we don't really know how 114 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: that's gonna look long term. But the t J. Hopkinson trade, 115 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: the quake he made it just so far you have 116 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: more strikes to the positive than you do the negative 117 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: by a long shot. So I don't know. I just 118 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: think having a healthy organization and having people who so 119 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: far have shown that they are capable of earning your 120 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: trust as a fan, I don't know that gets me excited. 121 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: And I think also like it kind of feels like 122 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: when a college coach comes in and plays with someone 123 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: else's recruits, You're like, Okay, now we're going to see 124 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: what they're really made them. Right when those guys graduate, well, 125 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean a couple of draft picks, Zadarius, you know, 126 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: Hicks there there are a couple of changes, right, but 127 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: you're you're essentially this group came in and this is 128 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: this is the team that they walked into and now 129 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: they get to really mold it into their form and 130 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: their idea. And I mean I think that's exciting. Yeah. Um, 131 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: And you just look at that. I mean there is 132 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of positives to build on. 133 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: So the fact that you said, you know, this is 134 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: a regime that's come in and kind of figured things 135 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: out with a team that they did not you know, 136 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: bring in all together on their own, I think that 137 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: is a positive going forward. J Yeah. I think also 138 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: you just kind of look at it and say, you 139 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: feel like this season they outkicked their coverage on what 140 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: expectations were. Um, I don't think people are really expected 141 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: to have a thirteen win season, and you know, the 142 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: the closeness of margin for all of those games and 143 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: being as positive as it was versus the previous seasons 144 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: was something that it just felt like, yeah, felt like 145 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: everything was kind of and you got you got it 146 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: right at least on one level. But yet the deficiencies 147 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: showed up in the in the postseason as well. And 148 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, the team has decided to kind of make 149 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: some changes to try to address that. So I think 150 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: the best part, at least on my end, is to 151 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: look at it and say, there were the positive moments, 152 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: you saw what your deficiencies are, and that there wasn't 153 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: this feeling of saying aunt was a fluke. Let's let's 154 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: just you know, stand pat and see what happens. They were, 155 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: you know, immediately looking to make a change to try 156 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: to address it, because you know, as I think probably 157 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: as angsty as the fans were and people were in 158 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: the public, I'm sure internally there was the frustration of 159 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: a too feeling like we had a chance, we had 160 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: a good roster at least on paper that we were 161 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: working with, and then just to feel like in the future, 162 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: you know, we have the ability to make some changes 163 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: and to address that. And personally, I always look at 164 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: it as it probably is going to take you like 165 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: three to five seasons before you really feel like you 166 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: have a full overhaul of your roster of what you 167 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: really want or the type of players that you want, 168 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: and and so you know, I kind of have looked 169 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: at this as it's going to be this rebuilding thing, 170 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the the the strategic and 171 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: competitive rebuild is the point kind of where we're at, 172 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that. You know, the idea of having 173 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: to completely rip this thing down to the studs is 174 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: always daunting, and you don't really want to see that, 175 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: especially internally. You don't want to feel like you're going 176 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: to be having to do that, and sometimes you have to. 177 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, on my inside, the idea 178 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: of at least there's a good core here of top 179 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: quality players that they can build around is something that 180 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, people should be happy and hopeful for. Yeah, 181 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: and now here's I'm not you know, I'm one of 182 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: these guys that's okay with rip it down to I'm 183 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: not even saying with this particular team. I just mean philosophically, 184 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: like any either direction, you know, if I believe the 185 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: right people are in charge, I'm going to kind of 186 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: going back to what I said earlier. I'm going to 187 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: give them the latitude to tell me if they truly 188 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: think they can accomplish a competitive rebuild, which, to be fair, 189 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: I believe is the most difficult thing to do in 190 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: all of professional football. I kind of in the past 191 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: thought it was a myth. It's that's hard like to 192 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: given that we live in the salary cap era. I 193 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: think the teams that have been able to do it 194 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: have you know, they have a couple of really key 195 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 1: young superstars, and that's what the Vikings have. If you're 196 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: looking at Kristin Derris Saw and you're looking at Justin Jefferson, 197 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: you go, Okay, those those two guys are so good 198 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: that they affect wins. Right. You know, there's a constant 199 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins conversation in our state, our city, state, nationally, 200 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: like just a NonStop conversation, right, and people want to go, oh, 201 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, he played well enough for this. He was like, 202 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: to me, the number one guy that affect wins, affected 203 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: wins and losses this year as a fan watching with 204 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: Justin Jeffers, and I think he is. To my surprise, 205 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: I thought he was going to be great, but I 206 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: was the one trying to keep everybody's like, hey, let's 207 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: camp our expectations down a little bit here. But he's 208 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: entered that rarefied like Donald right, you know, Micah Parsons. 209 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: You know, the elite quarterbacks is a small handful of 210 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: guys that you're like, oh, you give me that guy 211 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: He's worth a handful of wins on top of whatever 212 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: your team would normally be. So maybe a competitive rebuild 213 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: really is possible because of he and Derris Saw and 214 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: some of the other youth on the team. It's just 215 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: it's building a team in today's salary cap world is 216 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: a difficult task, and to walk a competitive rebuild path 217 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 1: if you can pull it off, man, I mean it 218 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: takes a home run, right. I mean, we don't know 219 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: what's going to happen with Dad Prescott down in Dallas, 220 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: but the Micah Parsons pick saved that entire situation. Micah 221 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: Parsons is on a rookie deal. They were able to 222 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: pay Dak Paydeek pay, you know, pay all these guys 223 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: and they get they're drafting, they get Ceedee Lamb, they 224 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: get Micah Parsons and they get gigs. They're all three 225 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: of those guys are on rookie deals. That's the way 226 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: you can survive. And I think if you go back, 227 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think the last few years of the Vikings, 228 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, we didn't necessarily land a defensive guy. You know, 229 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: we got Jefferson on his rookie deal, he got Derresaw, 230 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, something like hitting a home run on a 231 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: defensive guy can really really help you through a time 232 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: when you're figuring out stuff like cap situations and competitive 233 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: rebuilds and stuff like that. I don't know if that 234 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: sounds like nonsense, but as again as Jay will tell you, 235 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm very annoying about my salary cap for a guy 236 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: who knows nothing about anything, for a guy who would 237 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: get laughed out of the like the waiting room where 238 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: people were having an important meeting about football stuff. I 239 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: do have a disgustingly fierce view on building a team 240 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: in today's era. So so, but I think they can 241 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: do it with the young guys. Like, speaking of building 242 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: the team, the defensive coordinator search is on after Kevin 243 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: o'cutll announced d Donaitel will no longer be the team's 244 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: DC SI. You've been keeping up with the names on 245 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: the Vikings dot Com coach tracker, Yeah, like the plug, 246 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: the Shas plug. Yeah no, no, no's I actually have 247 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: it on. We have a projection screen here and I 248 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: just see the tracker on the projere You go, your number, 249 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: your number one place to track coaches, right, Well, I 250 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: mean we've had an interview every single day this week 251 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: and Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So Ryan Nielsen came in 252 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: on Monday, Sean Desai on Tuesday, Mike Petton on Wednesday, 253 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: and on Thursday as Brian Flores. I'm a huge Flores guy. 254 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm skeptical that it could work out because of the 255 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: opportunities that I think are going to be in front 256 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: of him elsewhere. But you know what I like about 257 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,599 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan out in San Francisco, and you know, and 258 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 1: even though his coaches aren't successful elsewhere, Bill Belichick and 259 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: do anybody, it's like one of the least discussed head 260 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: coach of skill sets or abilities or you know, process, 261 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: whatever you want to qualify it as is an ability 262 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: to hire great people, you know, And I can understand why, 263 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, familiarity is important and long term relationships and 264 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: working environment for these guys who manage to get big 265 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: time skill in the building is like San Francisco is 266 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: such a great example. They lose their their OC last year, 267 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel. He goes, so there's everybody's bumping, everybody's moving 268 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: within the organization. They go out and they get Brian 269 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: Greasy former, you know, Monday Night football analysts. Now that 270 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: it's Joe and Troy, they get Brian Greasy, they bring 271 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: him in, and he's been outstanding and has a ton 272 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: to do with Brock Purty. And it's not like Brian 273 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: Greasy is a long time best friend anything. So the 274 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: names that I'm seeing that O'Connell's bringing in, they look 275 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: like the names like if you are any organization, these 276 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: are the guys you should be interviewing. So I think 277 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: that's exciting. And I think, you know, just knowing that 278 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: guy's like Auras are in the building, that should be 279 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: that should be really promising for Viking fans because it 280 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: means the head coach is a guy who just wants 281 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: the best brains in the building to build the best unit. 282 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Speaking of brains in juniory I. When I was doing 283 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: my research on these guys, Sean Dasai has an undergraduate 284 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: degree in philosophy and political science from Boston University, a 285 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: master's and higher and post secondary education from Colombia, and 286 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: a doctorate and educational administration from Temple. That guy's got 287 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: that's a lot of degrees to a lot of degrees 288 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: the best principle ever. Imagine, Hey, he could probably talk 289 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: to young kids a little bit, A little bit there. 290 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: That's all teachers. My family's all teachers. I went for 291 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: essentially after school programs and big brother, Big sister. It's 292 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: called public park and Recreation studies. But when you say that, 293 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: people just think of Ron Swanson. So but I those 294 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: are not there's some degrees out there that aren't necessary 295 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: like they sound. You're like, oh, so you education administrations. 296 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: You can be a principal. But you're like, you'd be 297 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: surprised how hard those degrees are. Like a librarian, dude, 298 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: it is so hard to get a masters. My mom 299 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: is was a librarian and before she retired she ran 300 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: all the libraries for a group of colleges. And when 301 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: we were kids, she had like a master's of Library Sciences, 302 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: and we thought that was so funny and made fun 303 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: of it so much, and then became adults and we're like, oh, 304 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: that's like the hardest. It is an outrageously hard degree. 305 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: Like thinking of this way, anyone who has the discipline 306 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: to go get a master's, you know, in an odd field, 307 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: that's harder than you'd think, and that people don't because 308 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: if you're gonna get a master's, right you get it 309 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: in Like, actually, I got a master's in neuropsychology. You're like, well, 310 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: it looks like I'm standing next to a smart guy. 311 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: You want you want the pastigious masters. So if you're 312 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: getting a master, imagine the discipline it takes to get 313 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: all that. And uh, I mean I think we all 314 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: know the discipline it takes to be an NFL coach. 315 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I didn't know that about him, 316 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: but you've sold me on him just with that information. 317 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: I mean, he was in school for like eight years 318 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: post high school, Like that's just dedication. How many of 319 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: us would actually want to do that because he has 320 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: his doctor and on top of his masters, insane or 321 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: some people will go through that many years of post 322 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: secondary education and still be working here on a podcast. 323 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: And then he moved his way up the letter in Chicago, 324 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: so like he got his doctor and he's like, okay, guys, 325 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: well here I am gonna be a quality control coach. 326 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: Jay has a doctorate in receiving my text messages. I'm 327 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: looking forward to writing a dissertation this offseason, so yeah, 328 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: I'll probably be picking your brain. Yeah yeah, but I mean, 329 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, when you know what else's hearts uh, I 330 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: know we're talking about head coaches, but what's hard as 331 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: being a receiver and being nominated for MVP Award justin Jefferson, right, 332 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: just the season that he had that the MVP Award 333 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: candidate seas or I guess the finalist came out and 334 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: it was four quarterbacks Joe Burrow, Pat Maholmes, Josh Allen, 335 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts. And just understanding that list, I mean, 336 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: just seeing that list, how much of JJ's name being 337 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: in that shows how great a season was for him 338 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, I mean it was. It was pretty spectacular. 339 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: I Like I said earlier, I think you know, we 340 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: had a lot of different conversations about a lot of 341 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: different things, you know, play Colleen, quarterbacks, all this stuff, 342 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: and I think what it comes down to, more often 343 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: than not is the Vikings had the best football player 344 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: on the field in almost every single game they played 345 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: all year long. And that's that's crazy, especially because like 346 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: why receivers, Yeah, to your point, game, you know, there's 347 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of positions that affect the game in 348 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: dramatic ways, and the why receiver position seems to be 349 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: from a dumb guy's perspective, changing with the McConnell right, 350 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: excuse me, O'Connell. I combined him and McVeigh. They have 351 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: like a super football baby, the McDonald's um. But it's 352 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: it's changing, right, this different scheme, you know, the motion 353 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: what we saw with Cooper Cup and then we saw 354 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson in that role. Like it's just we're just 355 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: seeing wide receiver play done differently, and I think it's 356 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: an incredible accomplishment. My one thing that I am worried 357 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: but also imposed about is like I think I'm the 358 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: only guy on the planet who would like to see 359 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson's usage decrease. I don't disagree with you on that, Gabe, 360 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: you you played, I mean you had to have played 361 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: in the slot in college, right, yeah, yeah, Like I 362 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: don't I don't disagree with you on that. I do 363 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: think his production does need to decrease a little bit 364 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: for for a bunch of reasons. One, it means that 365 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: we have more production from other places, the running back spot, 366 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: wide receiver too, you know, seen what the tight end 367 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: is done. But also I mean that like moved, you know, 368 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: getting that production. If you're on the outside, if you're 369 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: a ring, you remember that everybody remembers the Randy ratio, right. 370 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: If you're getting that sort of production and you're on 371 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: the outside, those are different routes. They're different on your legs, 372 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: and you know, if you're moving into the slot part 373 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: of the time, if you're in the backfield, if you're 374 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: throwing the ball. I hope. I think it'll be a 375 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: good thing if he's as good as he was this 376 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: year and his production and usage is less, because it'll 377 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: be a more balanced team. And that might not mean 378 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: that might mean he might not be in the running 379 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: for MVP next year or the year after, but it 380 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: might mean the team is in a lot better place. 381 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: And I think regardless of whether you can get people 382 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: to buy into a wide receiver at you know, at 383 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: the MVP spot, the whole NFL top one hundred players 384 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: where everybody who's involved in the game votes, I think 385 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: you're going to see Justin Jefferson's name on the top 386 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: of that list next year and near the top of 387 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: it for years to come. And that's a pretty big 388 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: indictment on how he's being league wide. Kudos to Tatum 389 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: Everett for beating the drum for him being the MVP 390 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: candidate for this season. I didn't die on that hill 391 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: a long time ago. The last couple of games weren't 392 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: awesome for his like you know, like he didn't have 393 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: the momentum going into the voting, but I was ready 394 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: to like make tiktoks and reels and just like you know, 395 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: yell at from the rooftops if people weren't even considering it, 396 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: because I just you know that when you think about 397 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: who is the most valuable player on this team, like 398 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: that's who you would noticeably look when they're the amount 399 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: of targets or catches were at a certain point, you win. 400 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: When they were at this certain point, you lose. And 401 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: like that was the fact, like the difference in the equation. 402 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: No one, no one was like that in the league 403 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: except for Jay Jane if you take you know, if 404 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: you let's let's walk into a different universe, which you 405 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: don't get to do, but just for fun, let's say, 406 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: instead of getting throttled in Green Bay, if the Vicals 407 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: not only win, put an end to maybe the Aaron 408 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Rodgers regime in Lambeau, Right, and JJ, and like let's 409 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: let's just have this silly conversation where JJ goes nuts, Right, 410 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: I think I think there's a case to be made there. 411 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: I think he's absolutely like not only in the running, 412 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: but everybody's like, whoa, we just it doesn't matter what 413 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: these other quarterbacks have done. I think we have to 414 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: get It's kind of like Adrian Peterson in the year 415 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: that he won MVP when he came back from the 416 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: knee surge, Like a lot of it was Jay. You'll 417 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: remember this, like he had a great season and down 418 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: the stretch it was like these incredible games. But and 419 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: I talk about this all the time, I feel like, 420 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: but they were It was a Sunday night game. The 421 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: Vikings had to beat the Packers to get in right Jay, 422 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: the very last game of the season, Christian Pontner's on 423 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: like easy quarterback of the team. There's like very little 424 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: time left on the clock. Indian Peterson is near two 425 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: thousand yards or maybe he's broken it. At this point. 426 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 1: We're at like about mid Sea old Ish area fifty 427 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: forty other forty something like that. And in the history 428 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: of modern football, with that clock situation, everybody's throwing the 429 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: ball everybody and they hand it off to Adrian Peterson 430 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: because he's the only thing that works for him and 431 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Peterson runs it like thirty forty yards down to the 432 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: goal line to set up the game winning feels like 433 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: that was a moment, and then he didn't. He comes 434 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: up seven yards short, and he's in the post game interry. 435 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: I think it was maybe Tafoya asking him like seven 436 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: yards eighty or nine yards whatever. He came up short, 437 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: and you've got that great quote of Hingers on nine 438 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: what nine? What? Like? He had no idea, but there 439 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: was such an iconic imagery with that time moment in 440 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: big time run, capping off this big time season. I 441 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 1: think the same thing, Tatum. I think you're absolutely right 442 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: to say if JJ would have had an iconic moment 443 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: to cap off the season, I think they'd almost have 444 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: been forced to give it to him, given what he 445 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: did in Buffalo on such a visible level, what he 446 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: did all year long. Yeah, I think the thing about it, 447 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: especially with that Peterson year, was he was just completely undeniable, 448 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: and you know, and that one it was the whole 449 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: idea of you know, their stack in like eight and 450 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: nine man boxes and Adrian was still ripping off those 451 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: kind of yards and so so oh for sure, And 452 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: and part of it though too. The thing about Jefferson, 453 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: you know, on a similar vibe, was you just brought 454 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: up like the Bills game. If he doesn't have that 455 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: ridiculous circus catch, you know, we're not even getting close 456 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: to having the ability to stay with them, let alone 457 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 1: win that game. How many times did you have to 458 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: have it? You know, making the catch on the three 459 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: yard line at the end of the game. He was 460 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: doing everything he had to. You know, everyone in the 461 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: entire stadium, let alone the country who was watching that 462 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: game knew who was going to get that ball, and 463 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: he was still doing it. And I think having more 464 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: of those moments as his career continues to progress, is 465 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: going to make him more and more undeniable. And if 466 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: he does continue to have seasons like this, at some point, 467 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: he's going to pop one of those awards. And it's 468 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: whether it's almost a lifetime achieved an award for everything 469 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: that he's doing versus you know, season to season that 470 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: I think so many of these MVP awards and everything 471 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: are popularity contests, and you know, guys, all the four 472 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: other guys that are in the running for it right 473 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: now are one of those guys that are undeniable too, 474 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: And how much of a difference maker they are for 475 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: their team. I think for Justin, the whole idea is 476 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: going to be if he continues to do this year 477 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: after year after year, you know he's going to pop 478 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: something like this because of just him being completely undeniable 479 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: as one of the best players in the league. And 480 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: I think to your points, I of Justin Jefferson will 481 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: be at the top of some of those lists next year. 482 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: I think that's what that's the reason why we have 483 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: not seen running backs or non qbs win this award 484 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: because the following year they kind of have a drop 485 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: off year. So if Justin Jefferson, you know, we could 486 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: use him in a more quality and efficient way and 487 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: he still has the same production, I do think it's 488 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: a very valuable argument next year that he should be 489 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: a considered for MVP. I mean, his goal next year 490 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: is to get two thousand receiving yards. If that's the case, 491 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: but we're not targeting him as much as we did, 492 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: I mean we had. I mean, if he has the 493 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: same amount of targets this year, which was I believe 494 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and eighties something targets and two thousand receiving 495 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: yards next year, he's definitely in that in that in 496 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: that argument, Yeah, I think I think that's kind of 497 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: I'm just one of those guys. Whether it's basketball or 498 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: football or anything else. You know, athletes have changed how 499 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: they're how they raised. They don't play three sports anymore, 500 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, how the body how they recover high usage 501 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: doesn't like take Vikings and Jefferson out of it. Really 502 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: high usage consecutively, you know, usually leads to a little 503 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: bit of a tougher time in the future. So, you know, 504 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see them get some more weapons in 505 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: the building and really fully form, you know, an offense 506 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: that feels multiheaded, because that's the thing you hit on, 507 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: another wide receiver, another weapon. All of a sudden, you 508 00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: start looking like the Dolphins weapons, the Chief's weapon, you 509 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: know where You're like, oh my gosh, it's coming at 510 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: us from a lot of different ways here. So jj 511 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: Gott in the MVP conversation, but I saw on Twitter 512 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: there were several several fans who are pretty upset that 513 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: they felt Kevin O'Connell was snub for Coach of the Year. 514 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the list of coaches on 515 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: their not including koc first year head coach with thirteen 516 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: wins and eleven and no and one score games. What 517 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: are so who are the coaches that are on the 518 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: list above him? Sean McDermott, Nick Sirianni, Kyle Shanahan, Brian Dable, 519 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: and Doug Peterson. Yeah, I mean that's pretty stupid. Now 520 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to say some things that Viking fans will love, 521 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: and I'm going to say some things that they will 522 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: not love. That'd need to have five names and have 523 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: them be those like, it's very stupid. I think Nick 524 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: Sirianni is a fantastic coach. I think Kyle Shanahan is 525 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: a fantastic coach. To me, those organizations should be up 526 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: for General Manager of the Year, and I'm sure they 527 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: probably are. But when you look at the rosters built, 528 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: the draft picks that have been hit year in and 529 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: year out in San Francisco, you know the A. J. 530 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: Brown trade in Philadelphia, combined with the draft picks they've 531 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: hit there, you know the signings they've like, to me, 532 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: those are those coaches are absolutely fantastic. But there is 533 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: a bit of a you know, there's a there's a 534 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: organizational vibe there. It's like, what are you to me, coach? 535 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: Of the year is what are you dealing with and 536 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: what did you accomplish? So do I think Kevin O'Connell 537 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: could go coach those two rosters and have really good years. Yeah, 538 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: I do very much think that. To me, it was 539 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Brian Dable. That team was horrific. They've been horrific fort 540 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: so long. Like think about this, people are like the 541 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: Giant should keep Daniel Jones. Can you imagine that conversation 542 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: a year ago Brian Dable? Like I thought Dable and 543 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: his staff kafka. I mean, look at what they did 544 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: to us in the biggest moment. Dable is fantastic. I'm 545 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: a huge Doug Peterson guy. I love Trevor Lawrence. It's like, 546 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: it's not difficult to be better than than Urban Meyer, 547 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, I think I think you can be very 548 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: bad and be better than Urban Meyer as an NFL 549 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: head coach. But what Doug Peterson did there this year, 550 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: So like those two, I very much get those. I 551 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: love Sean McDermott. I don't know if anybody saw the 552 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: video of him. You know, Diggs is an emotional player. 553 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: You know he can be a little tough to deal with. 554 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: These I love. I think he's fantastic. He's one of 555 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: my favorite players. But I don't know if you guys 556 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: saw the video of McDermott calling him down on the 557 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: sideline this year and Diggs like putting his head on 558 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: his shoulder, fantastic. I think that guy is an awesome coach. 559 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: So if you look at it, what's what's more impressive? 560 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: Is it you know two guys who have awesome, awesome 561 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: rosters built really really well, you know, low price quarterbacks, 562 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: talent all over the place that hasn't come to contract yet. 563 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: Or is it you know what Dable and Peterson are doing. 564 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: Or is it McDermott who's dealing with a lot of 565 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: the cap issues now that you have a high priced 566 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: quarterback and your defense was out all year. You know, 567 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: I don't know man to keep that conversation going and 568 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: apply it back to Kevin O'Connell, like you took a 569 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: team that had been like it literally is coaching. I 570 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: don't know how else you go like, hey, we lost 571 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: all those games last year and we won them this year. 572 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: It's it's one of the few times that you can 573 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: and I liked Mike Zimmer, but you can directly say 574 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: like coaching made a difference like, so, yeah, he wouldn't 575 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: have been my pick for winner, sorry everyone, but to 576 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: have him not in the top five, let alone maybe 577 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: the top three, is absurdity. I agree with you and 578 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: part of that that's why I'm not on Twitter. I 579 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: would have thrown an I agree with you and that, 580 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: And the whole thing is, again, if it's not the 581 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: popularity contest of who is the best team this year, 582 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: and it truly is, who is the coach that led 583 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: his team to a point where people didn't expect them 584 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: to be there? To me, it's day Ball. And the 585 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: reason why is if you remember even preseason, why they 586 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: were listed to potentially be like a bottom five team 587 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: in the league as far as what people expected for 588 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: their wins, and for them to make the run not 589 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: only to the playoffs, but then to win a playoff 590 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: game on his dime. I just it felt to me 591 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: like day Ball is the one that really outshined the 592 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: other coaches and even Peterson. You know, there's some talent 593 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: down there's definitely some young talent in Jacksonville, and again 594 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: they were kind of surprising, but to me, it was 595 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: day Ball this season overall surprised me. The most as 596 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: far as what he got out of that team. Well, 597 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: this is something else that nobody's gonna like. And I 598 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: don't know when they decide these awards. Do they decide them? 599 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: They decide them at the end of the regular season, 600 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: right typically, Yes, that's where the voting happens for MVP 601 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: and everything is the end of the regular season. So 602 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: but I you know, I have this thing that you 603 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: can't pass the class if you fail the final. And 604 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I think we our state is so sensitive. 605 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: Our fans were also sensitive that, like if you were 606 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: like that wasn't great, Like how dare you say we 607 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: did something not good? Like we get our we get 608 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: our hot dishes up in our you know, all up 609 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: in our loins and lose our minds. But it's I 610 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: think when you lose the way you've been winning, when 611 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: you've been winning around the margins, when you lose in 612 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: that way in the playoffs, I think that's tough. I think, 613 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of the things that are being 614 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: dissected about our loss, you know, fall into that category, 615 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: like it's you know, we you know, took the class 616 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: all year and kind of failed the final and to 617 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: day Boles credit and to Doug Peterson's credit, they went 618 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: in as as lower seeds will Jacksonville. They had a 619 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: home game. I thought they were the worst team, but 620 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: to go in and pass the final if you will 621 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: that that says a lot. You know, Yeah, I would. 622 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with the list outside of Doug 623 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: Peterson and Sea mcdermoy, like you guys said, like, I 624 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: do think Kevin O'Connell should be on that list, but 625 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: I would also put Dan Campbell on that list also 626 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: from turning a three or fourteen team to a nine 627 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: in Campbell no go ahead years, that's him. You're right, Gabe, 628 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: How did I not think of that that psychopath is 629 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: my coach of the year. That he is absolutely one 630 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: of the guys we had on the tailgate. Zach Martina, 631 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: die hard lifelong Vikings fan. He has or excuse me, 632 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: Lions fan. Has brought me into the world of Dan Campbell, 633 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: brought me past the corny quotes and the silly like 634 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: the craziness, you know, and brought me into who he like. 635 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: I told this, Jay, Well, I mean it's Zach Martina 636 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: had told both of us, and then was hammering on me. 637 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: He was like, I need to let you know that, 638 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: and he wasn't being cocky. He goes, Dan Campbell is 639 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: going around town like when the Vikings went there and lost. 640 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: He goes, he is selling this game like it's the 641 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: super Bowl, like he is hyping an entire state up. 642 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: He goes, if Jamison Williams gets the ball and gets 643 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: behind somebody, they might bear the roof off of this stadium, 644 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: right and lever texting me during the game, he goes, 645 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: this is the loudest I have ever heard the stadium 646 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: ever in my life. And I think Dan Campbell where 647 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: he's still hey, I think he's starting to put those 648 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: silly mistakes behind him, like those game management mistakes, even 649 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: like we saw against us in the first game. And 650 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: I just think you want to talk about a culture change, 651 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 1: hell of a culture change here in Minnesota. Can you 652 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: imagine changing Detroit's culture. I'm convinced, like to win the 653 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: NFC North and be a dominant team, We're going through 654 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: Detroit in the next few You like you're you're everybody's 655 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: worried about the Packers. Aaron Rodgers one hundred and sixty 656 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: years old, Jordan Love can maybe play. Detroit is about 657 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: to be a monster and Dan ca Amble good call game. 658 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: That is he's my coach of the year. That's very silly, 659 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: but he's my coach of the year. Yeah. A lot 660 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: of people were talking about that, um you know with 661 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: him not being mentioned. I mean I get it to 662 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: an extent. He didn't make the playoffs, but what he 663 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: has done with the Detroit Lions and just how they 664 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,240 Speaker 1: ended the season, I think he should have at least 665 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: been one of those five. So we'll say, but yeah, 666 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: it'll be a purple and blue division I think for 667 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: the for the years to come, at least the next 668 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: couple of years with the Vikings and Lions being at 669 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: the top. How good is it to think about, like 670 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: now I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna knock on 671 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: someone in my house here, But how fun is it 672 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: to think about Packer fans like there's gonna be this 673 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: moment because I you watch him right now and they're 674 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: like good Rod Rogers, it's time for love. Like they're 675 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: they're like trust fund baby, you know where they don't 676 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, like the richest kid in your high school. 677 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: Like they would crash their Porsche and then a week 678 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: later they'd give him Mercedes now, like there's no real 679 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: understanding of what anyone else who's like I worked. I 680 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: worked two years to buy a Volkswagen Jetta from nineteen 681 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: ninety five. Like, imagine when they if the Jordan love 682 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: thing doesn't if he doesn't turn out to be, you know, 683 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 1: one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play professional football. 684 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: Think of the odd reality that's going to hit their 685 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: fan base when they enter into the quarterback reality that 686 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: almost every other organization has existed in because there's never 687 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: been I mean, we've had back to backs where you know, 688 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: far Rogers, you had Montana Young, you know, Manning Luck, 689 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: even though Luck retiredly, but we've never had We've never 690 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: seen back to back to back Hall of famers in 691 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 1: an organization, have we not? That I can think of 692 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: off top of my head. And the thing is, you know, 693 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: you think about the organization they even had Bart Starr 694 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: way back in the day before any of us were 695 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: born at this point, but like that is something that 696 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: you know, they had the lean years going into Brett 697 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: Fire with Makowski, and so a lot of fans tend 698 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: to say, you know, there's a whole generation of fans 699 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: at this point that have never experienced that, and you know, 700 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: I think being on this side of the river, everyone's 701 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: always kind of going, guys, you have no idea what's coming, 702 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 1: and I think there's always kind of that wishful feeling 703 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: because you're tired of being beaten down by thirty years 704 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 1: of Hall of Fame quarterbacking. But I mean, one thing 705 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: that they've proven to do is identify those kind of players, 706 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: and kudos to them for doing it, but still, you 707 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: know them, don't give me that. That's funny. Listen, GM 708 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: wise if you're willing to do it, and you can 709 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,959 Speaker 1: find those guys more Part two. But it's been it's 710 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: been killer for us. So yeah, zero kudu to them. 711 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: They have two titles in thirty years. Hey, congratulation. That's 712 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: like somebody you like, like if you inherit ten million 713 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: dollars and then thirty years later you have ten million, 714 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars. Tatum, I have a question for you. 715 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Tables of Turns. You've seen it, Like, I'm 716 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: just this is relating to the Green Bay thing, but 717 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: you've you've watched it being a New Orleans person, and 718 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: I know you have a lot of friends down there 719 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: and I know you have a lot of people down 720 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: there and family have you, like they are going through 721 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: it right now, right you you go through the twenty 722 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: years of Drew Brees and Sean Payton and then you're nothing. Yeah, 723 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: You're like, wait are there bad coaches and quarterbacks? Sometimes? Oh? 724 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I would say it kind of 725 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: feels like you're watching them revert back to like pre 726 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, pre Drew Brees, because when you aint the 727 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: Aints right, like you wear the bag on your head, 728 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: you know. Um, I'll be honest, like I don't really 729 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: talk to a ton of Saints fans anymore. Like my 730 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: friends are Saints fans. We just don't talk about it. 731 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: And my parents end up keeping up with the Vikings 732 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,360 Speaker 1: marks they watch what I do, so they're more Viking 733 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: stands right now than they are Saints fans. So yeah, 734 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: you kind of have this feeling of like where to 735 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: go next and will it ever work out? And what 736 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 1: band aid are you going to put on until you 737 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: finally are able to draft a quarterback? Which was I 738 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: mean personally, I remember remember when when Joe Burrow won 739 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: the Super won the national championship and everyone was like, Okay, 740 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: how what do the Saints need to trade They can 741 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: trade up and get Borrow because we know Breeze is 742 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: going to be gone. We know this is we got 743 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: to keep him in the state. Like people were knew 744 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: what was going to happen, but that they you know, 745 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: and obviously everyone there, most of them are also LSU fans, 746 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: so they really wanted to keep Burrow in state. But um, yeah, 747 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's I think it's going to 748 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,359 Speaker 1: be a route awakening. You can't just I mean, when 749 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: you have a Hall of Fame once in a generation, 750 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: not once couple in a generation style player like Aaron Rodgers, 751 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: Jordan Love probably is not going to be the answer. 752 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: He might be efficient, but he's not going to be 753 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: the game, you know, the absolute ultimate game changer the 754 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: way that he is. Yeah. Absolutely, I mean that's like 755 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: it's almost like being Michael Jordan's son. They're like, what 756 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: are you supposed to do? Like you could be pretty 757 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: great and everybody's like, yeah, when are you gonna dunk 758 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,920 Speaker 1: from the free throw line in a cool way? Is 759 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: gonna everybody and win six titles? Like there's no that's 760 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 1: a that's a tough thing to be the third guy. Also, 761 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: can you imagine if it pans out, like if you're 762 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: Jordan Love and all of a sudden you have an 763 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: of fame career, you all that is that's some pretty 764 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: boss right there. That would be cool. But it would 765 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: be cool, right, that would be some that would be 766 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:30,239 Speaker 1: some boss stuff. And the only thing that worries me 767 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: about Jordan Love is in that game he came in, 768 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: I think it was against the Philadelphia Eagles. I it 769 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: was it would suck to see I think if you're 770 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: a Pakistan it was good, but it sucked to see 771 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: his Like he was pretty even, you know he was. 772 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,640 Speaker 1: He was pretty calm, and he had a little bit 773 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: of that like Rogers thing where he was moving around 774 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: throwing positionally from different spots. His cool, calm demeanor made 775 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: you go uh, because you know, we all talk about 776 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: we all talk about like core backs like it's backyard football, 777 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: like he's squat and win the game and throw it. 778 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: But the reality is, like being a quarterback in the 779 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: NFL is getting your play walking up to the line 780 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, reading the defense, knowing your progressions. Maybe you 781 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: make a change depending on like the where you are 782 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: on the Peyton Manning scale. And what you're allowed to 783 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: do as a quarterback. Right, you make your adjustments, you 784 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: make your read, and then as the ball is snapped, 785 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: you find out if your read was right essentially right, Gabe, 786 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 1: and you adjust to it, and you progress and you 787 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 1: make a decision. Like when Tony Romo, everybody's like he's 788 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: like a genius. He's calling where Tom Brady throws the 789 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,839 Speaker 1: ball air for time. You're like, no, he's just an 790 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: NFL quarterback man, Like he's looking at the same thing 791 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 1: tom Brady is looking at and going, well, if that 792 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: linebacker goes there, tom Brady's gonna throw it here. And 793 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: since Tom Brady's amazing at reading defenses and progressing and 794 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: process seen information, he was right a lot. So I 795 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,760 Speaker 1: think I think the thing that scared me a little 796 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: bit was it looked like Jordan Love was processing information 797 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: in a quick, non frantic manner. So you know, I 798 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,560 Speaker 1: don't love that. I love that every fan has like 799 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: a super thick country accent. I just don't do other voices. 800 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: And if I do, like, I could do my Italian 801 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 1: guy voice, but I don't want Chris Corso to send 802 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:34,200 Speaker 1: me a DM on Instagram yelling at me. So I know, 803 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Sounds like every fan 804 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 1: I ever that ever called into the TV station in 805 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: Texas and Louisiana to complain about their team not being 806 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, the first thing on the sports cast. Oh, 807 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 1: I love that. People sometimes get after me for using 808 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: that voice. I don't know what you want me to. 809 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 1: I come from uncles who go, hey, did you see 810 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: the game like that? If you don't think that's gonna 811 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: be my voice when people say something outrageous, it's just 812 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: gonna be. I love it. I love it. I'll right 813 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 1: at home. Well, SI, One last thing before you go, 814 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: what is your off season looking like? I know you guys. 815 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,279 Speaker 1: Have you started a series ranking the Purple. You can 816 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: see that on YouTube and hear it on the Vikings 817 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,799 Speaker 1: audio channels. But is there anything more going on for 818 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: you as far as the ring. There's always stuff going on, Tatum. 819 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: That's a fantastic answer, thank you. Yeah, we're gonna We're 820 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: gonna do We're gonna do more ranking the Purple. Um, 821 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, and I think when we came up with 822 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: the idea, you know, and the Vikings were playing so well, 823 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: it was a perfect opportunity to do a playoff. One, 824 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: and it was so nice of Paul Lamberton and Eric 825 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: Nordquist coming and be a part of it. And I 826 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: think the original idea for the show is that it, 827 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, we just get to rank anything and everything 828 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: Vikings and so it doesn't necessarily like it gives you 829 00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk about the team in the off 830 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: season when there's not as much to talk about in 831 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: those moments, you know, And so I like the idea. 832 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: I want to rank the greatest we just talked about 833 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson. I want to rank the greatest Adrian Peterson 834 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: moments of all time, the greatest Randy Moss moments of 835 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: all time. I want to do, you know, I want 836 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: to rank iconic fans that we've had, you know, the 837 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: New World Order Championship belt, dude. I want to do 838 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: food at the stadium. I want to do you know, 839 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: there's so much stuff that is you know, involved with 840 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: Viking fan culture and being a Viking fan, and so 841 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: we are going to do more of those. I don't 842 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: know what the schedule is going to be. I don't 843 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 1: know when we're going to do them, how we're going 844 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: to do them, but we are going to do them. 845 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: That I know. The next one is that we're going 846 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,839 Speaker 1: to do is coming up here in the next month 847 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 1: or so, and it'll be it's a really really fun idea. 848 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: But maybe I'll come on for a couple of minutes 849 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,759 Speaker 1: and tell everybody about it when we do it. But 850 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: I just want to lock it in first. But thank 851 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: you for mentioning that. Yeah, the door is always open. 852 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,399 Speaker 1: You can only be on here. We enjoy having you 853 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: in your perspective. Um for now. Oh no news, Oh no, 854 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,280 Speaker 1: is there really? Oh goodness, Jet, it's it's small breaking 855 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: news that I can tie to a conspiracy theory. The 856 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,800 Speaker 1: Jets have hired Nathaniel Hackett to the offensive. Okay, where 857 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: where is this? Where is this person? Who did I 858 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,279 Speaker 1: talk to? And they were like, where is Aaron Rodgerson going? 859 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: I was like, the Jets make a lot of sense 860 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: and they were like, no way, that's no, it's raiders 861 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: or nothing. I'm like, no, listen, I listened all the weapons. 862 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: I listened the reasons why I got I will find 863 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:40,359 Speaker 1: them right now. Yeah, who are they to get right 864 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: down there? Oh here's the thing. I like doing that. 865 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 1: If Woody is willing to give up, their owner is 866 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: willing to give up multiple first round picks, which I 867 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,320 Speaker 1: don't like. The moment that news came out, you're like, Okay, 868 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: they're getting him because no one else is gonna You 869 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,880 Speaker 1: have to be a pretty specific team to sacrifice that 870 00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: much for a guy who at the end of every 871 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: season it's like, I don't know, maybe I'll retire and 872 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: hike through the woods. So it's, uh, yeah, he's gone. There, 873 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: that's that's im. He's gone. Yeah. I mean the conspiracy 874 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 1: before was when he got hired at the Broncos, was 875 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: that they were going to get him. That's why they 876 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 1: made that move. And then it didn't work out and 877 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 1: they one got Ross and we all know how that's 878 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: gone so far. But I mean, you got to think 879 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: all the Jets need is a quarterback. Yes, that's what 880 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,080 Speaker 1: I said. They have all they they have the running backs, 881 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: they have the receivers, they have an amazing defense. The 882 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 1: defense kept them in those games and made them good 883 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: this season. They literally have everything. Yeah, and all he 884 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: has to do is change one color in his jersey 885 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,479 Speaker 1: from gold to white and they're good. So yeah, and 886 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: your name is publicly said retired number twelve for Aaron Rod. 887 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: He did it's happening, and he gets to go to 888 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 1: New York, so what the heck? Yeah, yep. Also, I'm 889 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: going to I wonder if you'll change that fake Southern accent. Yeah, 890 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,319 Speaker 1: New York. Forget about sits on snap Mac. You know 891 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: I do. And every one time I dipped into a drawl, 892 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: You're like, what do you mean telling jokes literally from California? Yeah? 893 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: Uh okay, thank you guys, Goodbye. I appreciate you, appreciate 894 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 1: your side. What a way to end. That's that's the 895 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: first week's episode of the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. We will 896 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: be back with more next week. Lifetime, the official athletic 897 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,800 Speaker 1: country club of the Minnesota Vikings, has something for every 898 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,719 Speaker 1: member of your family. Get your family going today at 899 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: Lifetime dot Life Forward Slash Kids