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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in Monday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. It's

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Speaker 2: going to be a blood bath for left wingers on

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Speaker 2: the program today, we have got a loaded program. Missouri

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Speaker 2: Senator Eric Schmidt will be with us. Big Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: case that deserves a lot of attention. I think, focused

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Speaker 2: on what the government can and cannot do to restrict

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Speaker 2: the speech of.

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Speaker 3: People that might disagree with on social media.

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Speaker 2: Could be a major, important, very significant precedent that is

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Speaker 2: going to be set coming out of this case.

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Speaker 3: We will discuss at two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: She has got a book that is absolutely dominating, dominating

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Speaker 2: to such an extent that The New York Times is

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Speaker 2: pretending and it doesn't even exist, which is a sign

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Speaker 2: that it's making them a little bit uncomfortable. Abigail Schreier

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Speaker 2: will be with us, and I think that conversation is

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Speaker 2: going to be fantastic. That's the top of the third hour.

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Speaker 2: This is a book that I'm going to tell you

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Speaker 2: guys in advance. We get a lot of books sent

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Speaker 2: to us. I was actually very very excited when this

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Speaker 2: book arrived at the house and I've already started reading it,

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Speaker 2: and I would encourage you guys to do so as well.

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Speaker 3: We will discuss that in more.

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Speaker 2: But Buck, first of all, hope everybody had fabulous weekends.

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Speaker 2: If you're watching on video, I had an incredible time

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Speaker 2: at the beach, such that I am very tan, maybe

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Speaker 2: even a little bit red, but that was a great Friday.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you carrying the program on Friday. I am

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Speaker 2: back in Nashville and ready to roll with the NCAA

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Speaker 2: tournament underway. Buck may even fill out a bracket. We'll

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Speaker 2: see if he has any knowledge about the fact that

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Speaker 2: the brackets were released officially yesterday.

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Speaker 4: It's beginner's luck, Clay, So all the smart money out

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Speaker 4: there is going to pile in behind whatever nonsense I

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Speaker 4: put on my bracket, and I'm doing it. I've got

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Speaker 4: my final four picks. I'll hit you with those maybe

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Speaker 4: as we got price picks ads. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 4: a little bit.

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Speaker 2: But Buck, you and I have been talking for basically

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Speaker 2: two years now, since we knew that Trump was going

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Speaker 2: to run.

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Speaker 3: What game plan?

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Speaker 2: I wrote a whole book about it, Basically, what game

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Speaker 2: plan are democrats going to run to try to keep

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Speaker 2: Trump from the White House in twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 2: in my book American Playbook, I said, they don't have

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Speaker 2: any new ideas. They're going to go back and rerun

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Speaker 2: the same plays that they have over and over and

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Speaker 2: over again. And I think in the back of our minds,

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Speaker 2: we thought, man, there has to be something new. And

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Speaker 2: to be fair, I think they layered on the ninety

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Speaker 2: one criminal charges, the DC South Florida, New York City,

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Speaker 2: and Atlanta charges, but that has really, I think, sort

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Speaker 2: of bounced back on them and reverberated on the side

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Speaker 2: of Trump actually been very beneficial to him so far.

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Speaker 2: And so they're left with just a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: One is abortion, which is why they had Kamala Harris

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Speaker 2: touring an abortion facility, which is really kind of unheard

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Speaker 2: of in Minnesota to actually have a vice president. We

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Speaker 2: moved very quickly from safe, legal and rare to abortion

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Speaker 2: is a good thing and everyone should get one, which

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Speaker 2: which seems to be what Kamala Harris wants to argue.

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Speaker 2: And now we're on to January sixth, and they are

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Speaker 2: going to be incredibly deceitful, just like they were. Remember

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden said the whole reason he ran for president

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Speaker 2: was because of what happened at Charlottesville, and he actually

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Speaker 2: has used the very fine people lie as the very

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Speaker 2: foundation of his entire campaign. Well over the weekend, Trump

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Speaker 2: is campaigning in Ohio. We have a ton of you

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Speaker 2: listening in Ohio. I think we've been number one in Columbus, Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: and Cincinnati at different points over the past several years.

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Speaker 2: So Ohio, you are well represented in this audience. You

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Speaker 2: have a big primary on Tuesday. You may well in

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Speaker 2: your hands. Ohioans hold the future control of the United

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Speaker 2: States Senate because if you can beat Sharrod Brown, then

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Speaker 2: the Senate's gonna flip. That is one of the top targets.

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Speaker 2: And so Trump is there at a rally for I

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Speaker 2: believe Bernie Moreno, who he has endorsed, and he says

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Speaker 2: that the American auto industry fuck. He said very similar

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Speaker 2: you look at electric electric vehicles, China is soon going

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Speaker 2: to start to manufacture them in Mexico to try to

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Speaker 2: as a result of those rules. And Trump said accurately

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Speaker 2: that if that happens, that would be a blood bath

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Speaker 2: for the American auto industry. Let's let everyone hear, yes,

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Speaker 2: in context, exactly what President Trump said.

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Speaker 3: This is cut one China.

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Speaker 5: If you're listening, Presidency, and you and I are friends,

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Speaker 5: but he understands the ideal those big monster car manufacturing

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Speaker 5: plants that you're building in Mexico right now, and you

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Speaker 5: think you're gonna get that, you're going to not hire

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Speaker 5: Americans and you're going to sell the cars. Now, we're

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Speaker 5: going to put a one hundred percent tariff on every

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Speaker 5: single car that comes across the line, and you're not

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Speaker 5: going to be able to sell those because if I

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Speaker 5: get elected, Now, if I don't get elected, it's going

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Speaker 5: to be a bloodbath for the whole that's going to

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Speaker 5: be the least of it. It's going to be a

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Speaker 5: bloodbath for the country that'll.

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Speaker 6: Be the least of it.

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Speaker 5: But they're not going to sell those cars.

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Speaker 4: So he's clearly to anyone with ears, and if they

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Speaker 4: missed it, they could always go back and listen again

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Speaker 4: because it was all recorded talking about what you were saying,

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Speaker 4: which was the auto industry electric electric cars. This is

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Speaker 4: a question of commerce and a question of what it

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Speaker 4: would mean economically for the United States. It was a

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Speaker 4: shock wave of bull crap all weekend. Yeah, on this one,

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Speaker 4: all the lib media freaking out saying that Trump called

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Speaker 4: for a blood bath or Trump said a blood bath

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Speaker 4: will happen if he does not get elected. Now, I

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Speaker 4: have to say, this was one of you talked about

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Speaker 4: strategy and your fine book, American Playbook available wherever books

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Speaker 4: are found. That's right, But but you talked about about

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Speaker 4: the strategies that will deploy. One thing that I think

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Speaker 4: surprised a lot of people the first four years of Trump,

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Speaker 4: or we couldn't see coming and now we know it's there.

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Speaker 4: They will pretend the anti Trumpers to not understand the

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Speaker 4: plain meaning of language. They will pretend that they don't

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Speaker 4: understand sarcasm or hyperbole or a joke. Right, This was

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Speaker 4: something that over and over again Trump would say something.

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Speaker 3: You'd say, Oh my gosh, I said, what the no

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Speaker 3: he was he.

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Speaker 4: Was obviously he was kidding, like any normal person, he's kidding.

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Speaker 4: But they would rather be obtuse and outrage than deal

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Speaker 4: with what President Trump actually says. It's more fun for them,

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Speaker 4: more gratifying for them to pretend to be utter morons,

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Speaker 4: and they're going to do this the whole way through,

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Speaker 4: because they did it the whole way through last time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't even think the word bloodbath in

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Speaker 2: this context is even remotely controversial.

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Speaker 3: And so I had the team pull.

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Speaker 2: Here is everyone on the left basically in the country

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Speaker 2: pretending that they can't believe that Trump said that there

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Speaker 2: would be a blood bath, using the word bloodbath in

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Speaker 2: their own newscasts and their own content.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this best.

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Speaker 7: Politico dot com reports tonight on the quote bloodbath at

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Speaker 7: the RNC.

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Speaker 8: Not only is it going to be a blood bath,

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Speaker 8: but after they leave New Hampshire, it's a bloodbath on

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Speaker 8: her home turf.

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Speaker 9: That's really tough.

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Speaker 3: Has left a lot of corpses in his wake.

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Speaker 9: I mean, we haven't count in the body as a

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Speaker 9: Biden blood bath.

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Speaker 3: The Republican Party will be destroyed.

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Speaker 9: He's going to be a.

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Speaker 2: Blood bath also well, Biden blood bath, this November.

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Speaker 3: Election blood bath.

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Speaker 4: It could be a bloodpath for the blood bath.

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Speaker 7: Possibly bloodbath went through with the Attorney General blood bath

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Speaker 7: ninety nine days.

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Speaker 3: The blood bath that is going to look like.

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Speaker 10: Resided over a bloodbath in the Diplomatic Corps.

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Speaker 9: Ticket sales turn into a blood bath.

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Speaker 2: Ticket sales for singer Taylor Swift's latest tour.

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Speaker 9: It's safe to say the fans had a blood bath

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Speaker 9: for the company.

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Speaker 4: Off of the casket, Claire, Can I just glutch my

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Speaker 4: pearls for a second? Were they calling for a blood

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Speaker 4: path at a.

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Speaker 3: Tailor Swift concert?

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Speaker 1: There?

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Speaker 4: What is wrong with these psychotic libs?

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Speaker 3: But you know what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 4: They're going to say the ones who even feel like

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Speaker 4: they have some integrity to protect or some some claim

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Speaker 4: to being normal human beings in their in their minds,

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Speaker 4: They're gonna say, Clay, oh no, it's different.

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Speaker 2: When Trump uses the word yes, this is the thing.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what Scarborough said. Have you heard this yet?

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Speaker 2: Here's Joe Scarborough.

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Speaker 3: Of course? Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: That the Scarborough and Bechilos, I would argue, are maybe

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Speaker 2: which makes to me their arguments here tougher to defend.

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Speaker 2: Listen to cut three here from Joe Scarborough.

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Speaker 10: Obviously he's talking about a bloodbath for America.

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Speaker 3: It's laid out in the terms of it.

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Speaker 10: And these idiots on Twitter, these idiots on cable News,

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Speaker 3: Sunday Chezan Presidence.

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Speaker 10: You know he was talking all way about the auto

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Speaker 3: This is one Bok's just bull.

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Speaker 4: Let me say that at six point fifteen am just bulls.

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Speaker 6: He knew what he was doing.

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Speaker 10: We're not stupid, Americans aren't stupid. He was talking about

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Speaker 10: a blood bath. Sometimes a blood bath means a bloodbath.

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Speaker 10: And when he finish this by saying and that's just going.

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Speaker 3: To be the least of it.

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Speaker 10: Seriously, these people may be stupid.

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Speaker 4: We're not Clay Black, I know, living on another planet.

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Speaker 4: But you have to also look at this and understand

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Speaker 4: that that is what the audience that they have expects

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Speaker 4: them to say. And this is unfortunately, the Democrat audience

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Speaker 4: in general has been conditioned to the most extreme hysteria

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Speaker 4: when it comes to anything Trump related, such that you

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Speaker 4: will be accused of underplaying things right, you will be

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Speaker 4: accused of not taking the threat seriously. Unless you go

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Speaker 4: the sky is falling dogs and cats living together mass hysteria.

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Speaker 4: And I think that one of the problems we have

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Speaker 4: when we try to look at the way they analyze

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Speaker 4: Trump is that they will say that in context, anything

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Speaker 4: Trump says has to be taken as wicked and vicious

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Speaker 4: and violent anytime they can make that case Trump not

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Speaker 4: only if there's the benefit of the doubt. You know,

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Speaker 4: And this is very tiresome, but this is the Trump

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Speaker 4: Remember this. During Trump's first term, there was a Trump

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Speaker 4: translation role in the media. They're always trying what he

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Speaker 4: really means is it's like when they say there's a

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Speaker 4: We are joined by Senator Eric Schmidt of Missouri. He

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Speaker 6: Tread to be with you guys again. Could you just.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So, I think if people take a step back.

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Speaker 7: And so in May of twenty twenty two, when I

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Speaker 7: two thirty protections. So I think that kind of coercive

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Speaker 7: impact of the power of the government is what crosses

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Speaker 7: the line here.

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Speaker 4: Senator Schmidt with US now from Missouri. So Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: hearing this, if they are hearing this case today, if

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Speaker 4: they rule properly.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we know which way you want them to rule.

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Speaker 4: What will it mean in terms of consequences and how

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Speaker 4: enforceable do you think they will be when it comes

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Speaker 4: to First Amendment jurisprudence going forward.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it'll be a very important proposition to

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Speaker 7: say you can't have this network of government actors working

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Speaker 7: hand in hand in the thread of again legal repercussions

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Speaker 7: silencing Americans, because that's what they were doing. And this

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Speaker 7: wasn't a one off thing. This was a leviasn of

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Speaker 7: government officials and agencies. And so I think it'll it'll

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Speaker 7: it'll pause that because really what they're what they're in

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Speaker 7: front of the Spring Court on right now, is this

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Speaker 7: injunctive relief.

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Speaker 6: They got a tip, they got a temporary injunction. The

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Speaker 6: government has.

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Speaker 7: Appealed at the Supreme Court, so this ultimately would go

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Speaker 7: back to a trial in the merits no matter what happens.

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Speaker 7: But a lot of this evidence is already out there,

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Speaker 7: So that's what the court is looking at because we

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Speaker 7: got all that discovery early on.

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Speaker 6: But you know, I worry.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they use all these examples and you heard

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Speaker 7: from one of the justices today well, this was a

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Speaker 7: once in a lifetime thing. Well, that's what quite frankly,

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Speaker 7: that's what every tyrant air dictator says. There's some emergency,

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Speaker 7: real or perceived to aggregate, consolidate and exercise power, and

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Speaker 7: the first thing they usually go for is going after

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Speaker 7: people who are dissenting. And so I think this is

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Speaker 7: really in case, really cuts at the core of what

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Speaker 7: it means to be an American, your ability, your god

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Speaker 7: given right to express your point of view, and what

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Speaker 7: you're supposed to do with speech you don't agree with

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Speaker 7: is combat it with more speech, not censor speech.

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Speaker 6: And I think that again is why this case is

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Speaker 6: so important.

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Speaker 3: And what you just.

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Speaker 2: Said there at the end is actually the definition of

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Speaker 2: what liberal thought.

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Speaker 3: Used to be.

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Speaker 2: And it's amazing how illiberal Now many people are last

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Speaker 2: question for you, and we appreciate everything you've done on

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Speaker 2: this case.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate the time you're giving us.

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Speaker 2: Now a lot of people are going to say, okay,

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Speaker 2: and they understand this is a long process, right, It's

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Speaker 2: going to still take potentially years for there to be

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Speaker 2: a resolution on these COVID cases and what the government

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Speaker 2: could or could not do. Do you think your lawsuit

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Speaker 2: will restrict in some ways the aggressiveness that the current government,

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Speaker 2: that is the Biden administration, will bring to bear on

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Speaker 2: social media companies this fall with the election.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it's interesting the New York Times speaking of

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Speaker 7: illiberal so called liberal points if you had a hit

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Speaker 7: piece on this and basically saying that me and the

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Speaker 7: other people are advocating this are enabling disinformation, right like

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Speaker 7: it so like, it's just crazy to me that these

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Speaker 7: people who scream about threats to democracy are willing to

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Speaker 7: bulldoze democracy to get their way. I'm forty eight. I

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Speaker 7: remember when liberals actually believed in free speech and it

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Speaker 7: kind of lost the plot here. So they've claimed that

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Speaker 7: this has inhibited their ability to do all the stuff

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Speaker 7: that they want to do, which is good. I think

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Speaker 7: that's a good thing because again, the government you can stand.

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Speaker 6: Up their podium guys and say this is what we believe.

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Speaker 7: You just can't coerce you know, other people to censor speech,

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Speaker 7: which is exactly what they've been doing. So I hope so,

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Speaker 7: but again, I've got legislator, there's two things on meant

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Speaker 7: to close with this, guys, I think that this has

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Speaker 7: to continue on in the Congress.

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Speaker 6: So in the Senate.

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Speaker 7: I've got two bills, one of the private actors side

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Speaker 7: to say, look, if you're engaged in censorship at the

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Speaker 7: private level, you're taking down So if you lose your

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Speaker 7: Section two thirty protections, and if you're a government official

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Speaker 7: like any one of these people involved, Fauci sak in

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Speaker 7: these people, and you're responsible for censoring another American speech,

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Speaker 7: and you can be sued individually by an American as

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Speaker 7: opposed to being just a you know, in your official capacity.

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Speaker 7: I think instead of one Attorney general bringing this lawsuit,

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Speaker 7: you have an army of patriots out there saying I'm

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Speaker 7: not going to be silenced.

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Speaker 6: I think that would do a lot to stop this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Senator, do you want to give us a prediction. Let's

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Speaker 4: assume that it goes your way. Do you think it

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Speaker 4: ends up being a tight one or could the liberals

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Speaker 4: see that there's no way that this kind of censorship,

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Speaker 4: liberals on the court that there's no way this kind

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Speaker 4: of censorship could be allowed to continue.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not trying to like punt on this.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, because it's really hard, as you got,

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Speaker 7: it's hard. From the questions it's hard to know how

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Speaker 7: people really come down on this. So it's hard to

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Speaker 7: say because this is a brand new kind of case.

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Speaker 7: And I think there's been some favorable rulings on curtailing

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Speaker 7: government overreach recently. I think there's also been some good

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Speaker 7: stuff on social media, so I'm hopeful. But no matter what,

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Speaker 7: I'm very old, But no matter what, the exposing all

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Speaker 7: of this stuff I think is helping move hearts and

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Speaker 7: minds in people our way. Not the media, they're losing control,

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Speaker 7: like the mainstream, they're losing control as the gatekeepers. But

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Speaker 7: for you know, the average American, I think they're involden

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Speaker 7: and believe in the First Amendment and see how it's

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Speaker 7: been abused, and I think that's a good thing for

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Speaker 7: us long term.

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Speaker 3: I think it goes six three.

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Speaker 4: I think Soda Mayor probably writes a descent were wearing

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Speaker 4: a mask and we will we will see if I'm

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Speaker 4: right on that one.

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Speaker 3: Senator. Yeah, appreciate you being with us, Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 4: All Right, guys, there was a time back in the

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Speaker 2: Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up? By Abigail Shreer. I

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Speaker 2: am going to read this book. Bucket's got his own

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Speaker 2: copy as well. We get a lot of books, Abigail,

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Speaker 2: who is with us now A lot of times. To

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Speaker 2: be frank, I don't have the time to be able

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Speaker 2: to read them. I've put this on my list. My

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Speaker 2: wife wants to read it. You are absolutely killing it,

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Speaker 2: and so I want to start with this though before

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Speaker 2: we get into the book. You have had a similar

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Speaker 2: experience as me. When American Playbook came out, it was

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Speaker 2: the number one selling nonfiction book in America. It did

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Speaker 2: not make the New York Times list. Your book went

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Speaker 2: to number one, I believe on Amazon, which is virtually

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Speaker 2: unheard of. It did not make one of the fifteen

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Speaker 2: best selling books in America. This is one of the

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Speaker 2: best endorsements of a book I can give you because

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Speaker 2: to me, it means the Times does not want your

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Speaker 2: book to get the publicity and attention. Explain that for

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Speaker 2: listeners out there, who I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: think the New York Times just ranks the best selling books.

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Speaker 3: They don't at all.

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Speaker 2: Why is this significant and what does it say to

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Speaker 2: you that they have avoided recognizing how many people are

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Speaker 2: buying and reading your book.

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, they don't like anybody who kicks the

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Speaker 11: legs out of their narrative, right. So with the last book,

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Speaker 11: they were very unhappy with me because I wrote about

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Speaker 11: the epidemic of teenage girls deciding they were transgender, and

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Speaker 11: I you know, pointed out the risks and I argued

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Speaker 11: it was a social contagion, and the book was really successful,

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Speaker 11: and that bothered the New York Times a lot because

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Speaker 11: event they had to admit those risks. So in this book,

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Speaker 11: you Know, I Bad Therapy really just says that, you know,

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Speaker 11: the the question is why are these why does this

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Speaker 11: generation think it's so unwell? Why are they awash and diagnosis?

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Speaker 11: Why are they constantly taking mental health days off of work?

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Speaker 11: Why do they think that they're why are they all

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Speaker 11: and why do they all have a diagnosis? Why are

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Speaker 11: they all on psychmads or so many of them? And

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Speaker 11: why do they never say they're shy they have social phobia,

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Speaker 11: and they never say they're nervous, they say they have anxiety.

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Speaker 11: They never say they're sad, they say they're depressed. And

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Speaker 11: and the point of the book was really to empower

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Speaker 11: parents to stop listening to these so called experts who

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Speaker 11: are really undermining parental authority, really undermining especially dad's ability

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Speaker 11: to do what they think is right. It's often the

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Speaker 11: men who get who have changed the most and gotten

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Speaker 11: the most undermined by these so called experts. And and

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Speaker 11: that's the last group that The New York Times ever

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Speaker 11: wants to give any you.

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Speaker 3: Know, power to Abigail's buck. Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 4: To what degree do you think there's some connection possibly

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Speaker 4: between the fact that the psychiatric and psychologist profession is

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Speaker 4: by far, according to all the data. And I don't

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Speaker 4: think anybody disagrees with this, the most left wing by

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Speaker 4: political affiliation of any of the medical specialties.

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Speaker 3: I mean to the.

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Speaker 4: Point where now you have some of these medical associations

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Speaker 4: that are going along with and you wrote the book

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Speaker 4: about gender identity disorder, genderis for you whatever, they're going

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Speaker 4: along with things like men can get pregnant. I mean

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Speaker 4: they actually are going along with anti science. How much

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Speaker 4: politicization is to blame for this, sure so a lot.

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Speaker 11: I mean the group that had where these accrediting organizations

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Speaker 11: had nothing to say when kids were heading into a

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Speaker 11: second year of lack camp Blackcoes, what did they do.

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Speaker 11: They showed up in Congress to warn about police tactics,

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Speaker 11: climate change, right and systemic racism. They had a lot

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Speaker 11: to say about that. Now they think there's the solution

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Speaker 11: to kids' mental health. You know, in the book, I

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Speaker 11: argue there are a large part of the problem. And

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Speaker 11: here's the connection to what you just raised. You know,

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Speaker 11: if you have intergenerational trauma, if all kids are walking

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Speaker 11: around with the trauma of their ancestors. Not true, by

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Speaker 11: the way, It's a lot of nonsense. But if they are,

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Speaker 11: then colonialism and slavery are with us today. There continue

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Speaker 11: to harm these kids. Now we know it isn't true.

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Speaker 11: It hasn't been true, and I went into the research

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Speaker 11: to show that it wasn't true. But you know them

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Speaker 11: Unfortunately a lot of good parents have been undermined by

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Speaker 11: the idea that they don't know what's best for their kids'

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Speaker 11: mental health, and so they've been strong armed once again

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Speaker 11: into not doing what's right for their kids.

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Speaker 2: Bad Therapy is the book Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up?

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Speaker 2: And I am already starting to read this a little bit, Abigail,

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Speaker 2: but I read your excerpts. I think it was in

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Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal, which I thought was really interesting,

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Speaker 2: And I want you to expand upon this because I

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Speaker 2: see it at the front of the book too. Talk

682
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Speaker 2: therapy can induce rumination, trapping kids in cycles of anxiety

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Speaker 2: and depression.

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Speaker 3: This is what some of your research has found.

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Speaker 2: Social emotional learning handicaps our most vulnerable children in both

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Speaker 2: public schools and private The piece that I read that

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Speaker 2: you excerpted was talking about how as parents were constantly

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Speaker 2: sort of taught to ask our kids how they feel,

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Speaker 2: and that that is making kids believe that whatever their

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Speaker 2: feeling is is their truth, as opposed to teaching them

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Speaker 2: that their emotions are going to vary and that it

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Speaker 2: can't be the guidepost of their life.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was so fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Explain what you uncovered about that focusing on feelings and

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Speaker 2: treating them as legitimate.

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Speaker 11: Sure, focusing on feelings, which we know are in constant

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Speaker 11: and often even inaccurate guides to whether we have been

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Speaker 11: hurt or injured, or whether we're in the right getting

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Speaker 11: kids to constantly focus on their feelings is actually a

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Speaker 11: recipe for misery. We know this, the psychological research shows it.

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Speaker 11: We're just doing the opposite. We're going into schools and

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Speaker 11: as parents were doing the same thing. We're constantly asking

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Speaker 11: kids how are they feeling about this? How are they

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Speaker 11: feeling about that? We're inducing a constant focus on their

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Speaker 11: negative feelings. Why is it negative? Because, of course, if

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Speaker 11: you ask someone constantly how they're feeling, they're actually going

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Speaker 11: to produce mostly negative responses. And the reason is in

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Speaker 11: all of our you know, thousands of wakeful seconds, most

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Speaker 11: of them are not in a state called happy. They're

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Speaker 11: in some kind of period of you know, irritation, itch, discomfort, worry,

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Speaker 11: and getting kids to focus on those things while rather

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Speaker 11: than going out and doing good. That's the opposite of

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Speaker 11: what we want to be doing. But the other's another

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Speaker 11: bad thing when with things like social emotional learning, constantly

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Speaker 11: asking kids about their negative feelings in school. But what

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Speaker 11: I want parents to know is it naturally tease up

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Speaker 11: a criticism of the parents. Why because parents are the

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Speaker 11: ones whose job it is to keep a child safe.

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Speaker 11: So if they were terribly traumatized by an incident, the

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Speaker 11: next question is where was mom?

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Speaker 2: I think the data you mentioned dads, I think the data,

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Speaker 2: and I'm curious if you find this that as dads

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Speaker 2: have become less involved in two parent households, the overall

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Speaker 2: health of kids has collapsed, mental health in many ways.

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Speaker 2: And there's this idea, and I bet you've read about

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Speaker 2: it and studied at Abigail that lots of people, even

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Speaker 2: on the left, they talk left, but they live right.

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Speaker 2: That is, they have nuclear families in their own life.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people wagging their finger at you on

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Speaker 2: MSNBC and CNN. They are married to a woman or

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Speaker 2: they're married to a man. They have traditional household structures,

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Speaker 2: They raise the kids in the two parent household, and

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Speaker 2: then they lecture anyone who suggests that that would be

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Speaker 2: a good model, even though they're following it themselves. Where

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Speaker 2: does fatherhood rank in factor in here in your research?

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Speaker 11: So what father is that men are the ones who

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Speaker 11: have changed the most in terms of parenting in the

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Speaker 11: last generation. I mean, here's why. All of their instincts

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Speaker 11: they were told are bad for the kids' mental health.

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Speaker 11: Telling a kid you'll live, you're going to be fine,

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Speaker 11: shake it off or knock it off, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 11: They were told, don't do that. It's bad for their

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Speaker 11: mental health. Basically, that would that is the wrong way

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Speaker 11: to proceed. And so the kids got no balance. They

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Speaker 11: got constant empathy, they got constant you know, eliciting of

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Speaker 11: their feelings, and never a sense that they would be resilient,

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Speaker 11: they would be fine. And here's the other thing. They

748
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Speaker 11: weren't told that they're grandparents went through much worse. See

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Speaker 11: your grandparents, that's the only proof you've got that your

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Speaker 11: genetic material is resilient. They need to hear what Dad

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Speaker 11: and mom and grandparents went through and great grandparents went through.

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Speaker 11: It's the only proof they've got that they can get

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Speaker 11: through it too.

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Speaker 4: Abigail Schreier, the author Bad Therapy While the kids aren't

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Speaker 4: growing up is the book, recommend you all get a

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Speaker 4: copy of it now. And just in terms of the

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Speaker 4: therapy component of this for kids, how much of this

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Speaker 4: do you think is also the usage of the medicalization

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Speaker 4: of childhood discontent, which we all go through at different times, right,

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Speaker 4: we all skin our knee at different times, we fall

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Speaker 4: off the jungle gym, although now I don't even if

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Speaker 4: there are jungle gyms anymore, like you can't really the

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Speaker 4: playgrounds have changed a lot from what they used to be.

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Speaker 4: But by medicalizing these problems, it means that they can

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Speaker 4: get at kids and indoctrinate them younger and younger.

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Speaker 11: That's right, they get get them into the mental health pipeline,

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Speaker 11: and they never leave. They just get more and more medication.

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Speaker 11: And here's the thing. Sometimes kids are going through a

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Speaker 11: bad phase. Sometimes they're going to outgrow it. And there's

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Speaker 11: something else too. When you get in and delete their

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Speaker 11: normal resources with medication, their normal sadness, you're also capping

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Speaker 11: the happiness the highs. You're altering. You may be deleting

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Speaker 11: a sex drive and a young kid who's just starting puberty,

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Speaker 11: and you're doing all the things that will make it

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Speaker 11: harder for them to adjust to and cope with normal life.

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Speaker 11: And that's what we're seeing, a generation that.

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Speaker 7: Can't cope, Abigail.

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Speaker 2: How much does social media play in here in terms

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Speaker 2: of I talk about this on the show sometimes one

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Speaker 2: of the most staggering stats I've seen, thirty percent of

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Speaker 2: teenage girls have thought about killing themselves in the last year.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is an unbelievable number. Obviously, that is

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Speaker 2: feelings triumphing over the logic of their life, because I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine that thirty percent of women and teenage girls

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Speaker 2: are actually living.

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Speaker 3: In die straight.

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Speaker 2: How much of that is a function of the feelings

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Speaker 2: that they get from social media? And how should parents,

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Speaker 2: in your mind contemplate social media.

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Speaker 11: Social media is bad. It's hurting this problem, no doubt.

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Speaker 11: You know, I wrote about the last book, a social

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Speaker 11: contagion of trans identification that was basically spread largely through

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Speaker 11: social media. But here's the problem. The sad things they're stealing,

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Speaker 11: the sad feelings they have, the you know, if they

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Speaker 11: feel lonely and depressed, partially because social media. We're then

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Speaker 11: remediating it with mental health, not giving them a better life,

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Speaker 11: not taking away the phone, not curbing social media, but

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Speaker 11: giving them more and more mental health interventions that aren't working. Diagnosis, medication,

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Speaker 11: it's not working as counter productive. Why Because it's the

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Speaker 11: life that's a problem. And the reason we know this

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Speaker 11: is liberal boys from teenage Teenage boys from liberal families

802
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Speaker 11: have worse mental health. Sorry, teenage boys from liberal families

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Speaker 11: have the worst mental health than teenage girls from conservative families. Now,

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Speaker 11: let me tell you the girls are on a lot

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Speaker 11: more social media, but the difference is in the environment.

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Speaker 11: The lack of authority from parents, the introduction of mental

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Speaker 11: health experts into the home at the first indication of

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Speaker 11: sadness or a problem, all those things, and the constant

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Speaker 11: surveillance of any activity, never letting these kids have real

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Speaker 11: independence and trying to do something in the world even

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Speaker 11: when it's dangerous or has potential danger, like walking home

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Speaker 11: from school. Those are all things that make a kid

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Speaker 11: feel capable, and we're not letting him do those things.

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Speaker 4: Abigo Schrier, Everybody, why the kids aren't growing up bad therapy.

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Speaker 4: Why the kids Aren't Growing up is the book. Abigil

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Speaker 4: thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 11: Oh thank you.

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Speaker 6: Take care.

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Speaker 2: Look, Abigail Schreyer, just the conversation we had talking about

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Speaker 2: how woke policies are destructive in so many ways, and

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Speaker 2: guess what happens. So it's woke education. That's why Hillsdale

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Speaker 2: College exists. They've produced a free online course on the

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Speaker 2: topic American citizenship and its Decline. Online video course being

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Speaker 2: taught by historian Victor Davis Hanson. Brilliant guy. We've had

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Speaker 2: him on the show several times before. He traces the

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Speaker 2: history of citizenship and explains how it is undermined in

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Speaker 2: America today by open borders, identity politics, the administrative state,

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Speaker 2: and globalization. Americans taking the course will gain a deeper

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Speaker 2: insight about the connection between citizenship and freedom, and insight

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Speaker 2: they can share with family members, friends, and neighbors. Hillsdale's

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Speaker 2: free online on demand video courses are an important component

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Speaker 2: of their mission to reach and teach increasing millions of

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Speaker 2: people on behalf of liberty and the American way of life.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be speaking at one of their events

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Speaker 2: next month. All the way out in Seattle. You can

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Speaker 2: sign up today for Hillsdale's free online course American Citizenship

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Speaker 2: and Its Decline by visiting Clay buckfour Hillsdale dot com.

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Speaker 2: That's Clay and Buck for Hillsdale dot com.

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Speaker 1: One truth revealed after another Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back into Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 4: Much to discuss today on Monday, the eighteenth of Mark Week.

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Speaker 4: Over the weekend, a bit of chatter over this one.

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Speaker 4: And finally, I think officially launched here on Monday, the

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Speaker 4: John lemon Elon Musk sit down, which I thought was

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Speaker 4: particularly interesting. We'll also be we'll dive into that in

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Speaker 4: the second We're also going to be joined at the

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Speaker 4: bottom of this hour by Missouri Senator Eric Schmidt, big

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Speaker 4: free speech case against the Biden administration all the way

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Speaker 4: up at the Supreme Court. We'll discuss that. And then

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Speaker 4: third hour. Really looking forward to this one. Abigail Schreier,

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Speaker 4: author of Bad Therapy, Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up.

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Speaker 4: Clay and I have copies of our books, respectively. I

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Speaker 4: have dove into the intro. I have not yet been

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Speaker 4: able to read the whole thing because right now Clay.

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Speaker 4: I am in the middle of reading a book about

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Speaker 4: mithree dates and his war against the ancient Roman Empire

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Speaker 4: in the first century BC, which, let me tell you.

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Speaker 3: Is riveting. So how many copies of that book sold?

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Speaker 4: I probably not that many, but I am one of

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Speaker 4: the people that bought it, and it's quite good.

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Speaker 3: It's called The Poison King. I'm very much enjoying it.

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Speaker 3: So I'll give it to you, Dory. I'll hook you up.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'll keep it for you. I can't.

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Speaker 2: I'm embarrassingly when you described that, I was actually like,

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Speaker 2: this doesn't sound like a bad book, but I bet

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Speaker 2: it's sold eight copies.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Probably some of these great history books.

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Speaker 4: I'm reading them and I think to myself, this is

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Speaker 4: so good, and I just get a little sad. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I hope this person like one of my favorite history historians,

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Speaker 4: I should history authors. Also a historian is Roger Crowley,

874
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: and I think he's written some bestsellers, but some of

875
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 4: his stuff is so good. I'm just like, every I

876
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 4: buy Roger Crowley book I can. And he's not a

877
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 4: famous guy. I just think he's a great historian anyway.

878
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Speaker 4: And you're worried, like is he able to make a living? Yes,

879
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: off of his extreme talent that might not.

880
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: Be reflected in the marketplace, whereas you know, there's tons

881
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: of guys making fifty million dollars a year to write

882
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 2: books that, let's be honest, are not necessarily tremendous works

883
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Speaker 2: of art.

884
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Speaker 4: Well yeah, and yeah, they're also generally not running them. Yeah,

885
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: that's exactly right. I feel like it's like discovering an

886
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 4: artist to paint you. You're like, it's amazing, and then

887
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 4: you're like, are you able to feed yourself?

888
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 9: Like?

889
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Is everything going? Okay? It's tough selling books out there. No,

890
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: he's super hard.

891
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: So anyway, let's dive into this. Oh you know, I

892
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: was actually at the winter Park Orlando Arts Festival this

893
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 4: past weekend, which I had never been to before, which

894
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 4: was a lot of fun.

895
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 2: I hear winter Park is fabulous. Katie, who is my assistant,

896
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: is from winter Park and great. There is a place, yes,

897
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: very great, very very very high marks for Winter Park Orlando,

898
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: which I had never been to before. Carrie grew up there,

899
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: My wife grew up there. That's why at least in

900
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: Park grew up there. Anyway, I want to dive in

901
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: this Elon sit down with Don Lemon.

902
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 4: First of all, too, should we should we take everyone

903
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Speaker 4: to where it went first? Or should we build up

904
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Speaker 4: to it? You're like, do you want to you want

905
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: to do the build up.

906
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Speaker 2: Or the I had you? Did you watch this whole way,

907
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: the whole thing? Yes, So as a prelude, I have not.

908
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: I watched the two minute discussion on DEI and it

909
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: was Don women was so incomprehensibly dumb that.

910
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: Like, we need to play that clip.

911
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: But is the whole interview reflective of that clip or

912
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,439
Speaker 2: is it at least a little bit better than that.

913
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 4: It's very Don Lemon in that it is that level

914
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 4: of dumb, but also very passive aggressive. So what Don does?

915
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 4: And I think and I've full disclosure, I've done his

916
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: show when it was at CNN a number of times

917
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: back in the day, and none of this is surprising

918
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 4: to me. And I found his show to be I'm

919
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: trying to think of how to say this on radio

920
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,479
Speaker 4: about getting in trouble a a dumpster fire of low

921
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: caliber garbage.

922
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 6: There we go.

923
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 4: It's just not a good not a good news program.

924
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: But I was being paid at the time by CNN.

925
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Speaker 4: When you're being paid, and you're on TV and you

926
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Speaker 4: have no money and you have a contract, you go

927
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Speaker 4: and you go on the shows they tell you to

928
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 4: go on. Anyway, I'm not paid to go on any

929
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Speaker 4: cable news anymore. So that's why, you know, see me

930
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Speaker 4: on cable news. You see me here on the show. So, uh,

931
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Speaker 4: where are we?

932
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Speaker 6: Oh?

933
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: Where are we?

934
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 6: Oh?

935
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 4: Yes, don Lemon, Yes, Clay, it was really that bad.

936
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: He does the passive aggressive thing though, of Hey, so

937
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 4: you know, let me ask you a normal question, and

938
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 4: then why are you such a racist?

939
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Speaker 3: And then hey, you know, how's Tesla going there? Why

940
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: are you such a racist? In and out? In and out?

941
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Speaker 4: Okay, let's start with this one. You mentioned the so

942
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 4: you've seen the DEI. Let's focus on the DEI thing. Yeah,

943
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 4: and then we'll take everybody to just a reminder of

944
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Speaker 4: where this ended up going here, he is Elon Musk

945
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Speaker 4: is trying to explain, this is very straightforward. If they

946
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Speaker 4: lower standards in medical schools and surgical residency for minorities,

947
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 4: won't that result in doctors who are less capable, which

948
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Speaker 4: means that they're more likely to make mistakes, which means

949
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Speaker 4: they're more likely to kill people In the operating team

950
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 4: pretty straightforward. Elon tries to explain this to Don former CNN.

951
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 4: He was the top host at CNN for a while

952
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Speaker 4: in terms of ratings. Just for the record, twenty six

953
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 4: play it.

954
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Speaker 12: If if we lower the status for what it takes

955
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Speaker 12: to become a doctor, you're saying, if we lower the standards.

956
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Speaker 9: But do you believe people are dying because the standards

957
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Speaker 9: are being lowered?

958
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Speaker 12: I don't are having that is, yes, an issue, but

959
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Speaker 12: it could become an issue.

960
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 9: Okay, But the actual evidence in history shows the exact opposite.

961
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Speaker 9: If you look at how minorities were treated by the

962
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Speaker 9: medical system. Most doctors now are white and there are

963
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Speaker 9: lots of mistakes in medicine. So you're saying that my

964
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Speaker 9: doctors are have bad medical care. I'm trying to understand

965
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 9: your logic here when it comes to DEI, because there's

966
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Speaker 9: no actual evidence of what you're saying.

967
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Speaker 12: No, I said if the standards, like, let's say I

968
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Speaker 12: think that particular things were referring to surgeons.

969
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Speaker 3: Let's say sochis.

970
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Speaker 12: Is asked to assergient in training is asked to do

971
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Speaker 12: it a series of operations out of the supervision of

972
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Speaker 12: a senior surgeon and they get a bunch of those

973
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Speaker 12: operations wrong. If that happens, and if they are still

974
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Speaker 12: approach to be a surgeon, the probability that someone will die,

975
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Speaker 12: I think at some point is high.

976
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Speaker 13: Okay, I understand that, But that's a hypothetical. That doesn't

977
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Speaker 13: mean it's happening. I didn't say it's happening. You didn't

978
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Speaker 13: say it was happening. I said it will. I said

979
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Speaker 13: if we lowest that is, people hope people will die.

980
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Speaker 4: So Elon Musklay is talking about a trajectory of what

981
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Speaker 4: is occurring and is getting more extreme all the time,

982
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 4: and Don Lemmon doesn't seem like he's capable, honestly, like

983
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 4: he's not capable of following this train of logic and

984
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 4: keep saying, but you're saying the thing that could happen,

985
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Speaker 4: it's not happening. Therefore, why are you talking about how

986
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 4: it could happen? Does he not understand, like how time works.

987
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: I watched this clip that we just played for all

988
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: of you, and the only thing I'm left with is

989
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: Don Lemmon is too dumb to understand the concept of

990
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: a hypothetical. At best, Don Lemmy is trying to argue

991
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 2: minorities receive a lower standard of medical care now, and

992
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: that if there are more doctors of a diverse background,

993
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Speaker 2: they'll receive a better standard of medical care in the future.

994
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Speaker 2: That is also hypothetical that he's attempting to argue.

995
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 4: But Elon Musk's argument is very straightforward and I think

996
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: a lot of.

997
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Speaker 3: You would agree with it.

998
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: It is this, if we promote people not based on

999
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: the quality of their work, but based on the color

1000
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 2: of their skin or their who they sleep with, and

1001
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Speaker 2: we lower the standards to increase those hires, then.

1002
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Speaker 3: At some point the overall standard.

1003
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Speaker 2: Of medical care will decline. And buck here's where I

1004
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: would make an argument that would support what Emon Musk

1005
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Speaker 2: is saying. Have you noticed how everyone is suddenly re

1006
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: implementing the SAT and the Act for a missions Every

1007
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: major school suddenly they did it, which is super racist.

1008
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: In the first place, they took it away, many of

1009
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 2: them did after George Floyd. So they decided, you know what,

1010
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: black people score lower on SAT tests in general, that

1011
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: is a form of systemic racism. We're going to eliminate

1012
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 2: all testing requirements. And then they did several years of

1013
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: admissions and you know what they discovered, Oh wait, a minute,

1014
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: the SAT and the ACT are actually very predictive about

1015
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: who can and cannot do work inside of these universities.

1016
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Speaker 2: And we're actually missing a lot of kids who were

1017
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: socioeconomically disadvantaged but have the ability to elevate their performance,

1018
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Speaker 2: and so we're making our universities worse by not having them.

1019
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: We lowered standards and we made things worse. So the

1020
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: evidence actually supports pretty clearly what Elon Musk is is

1021
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: making the case.

1022
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: For this is this whole are argument in this concept

1023
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: is what made me a conservative, starting when I was

1024
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: in high school because I remember these this was all

1025
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 4: around the issue of college admissions, and I went to

1026
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: a what was a quite diverse high school, but with

1027
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 4: a lot of low income white kids too, and the

1028
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 4: low income white kids were basically being This was a

1029
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: Regis High School in New York City. When I was there,

1030
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 4: the media the average of the median income was like

1031
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,399
Speaker 4: forty five grand or something. It was basically what it

1032
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 4: was for the United States, meaning.

1033
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: There was no cost for this private school, right and

1034
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 2: you have to be admitted private school, yes, so it was.

1035
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: It was a full scholarship institution, private and everyone goes

1036
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: for free regardless of need. And there were all these

1037
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: white kids play who came from you know, modest income backgrounds,

1038
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: and they were basically told, look, you know, get what

1039
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 2: money you can for like for a state school somewhere,

1040
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 2: do what you can, even if they had pretty exceptional

1041
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: grades in SATs.

1042
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Speaker 4: And the minority kids in my class, not the Asians.

1043
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: There were a bunch of Asians, particular Koreans and Philippine

1044
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 4: same boat as the white kids, but the black and

1045
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 4: Latino kids, it was which Ivy League school do you

1046
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 4: want to go to? That was the way college admissions worked.

1047
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: And a lot of people like me saw that and

1048
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 4: said hmm. And the other part of it was we

1049
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 4: were being told by our guidance counselors were a little

1050
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 4: bit woke. At least one of them was, oh, but

1051
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Speaker 4: this isn't about different standards, and I was like, no,

1052
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 4: it is about different standards actually, And that's the whole

1053
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 4: essence of DEI and all of this is change standards

1054
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 4: for people based on based on skin color, based on ethnicity,

1055
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Speaker 4: and then refuse to admit that you were changing standards.

1056
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: You want to have it both ways, right, so you

1057
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: want to do something but not actually and say you're

1058
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 4: doing it, but not have anyone able to talk about

1059
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 4: what you're doing. So Elon tries again to explain this

1060
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 4: to Don Lemon tries to return to this very straightforward

1061
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 4: concept of they are changing standards, they want to change

1062
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 4: them more. Change standards will result in a higher percentage

1063
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Speaker 4: of bad outcomes.

1064
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Speaker 3: Don Lemon unable to compute this play twenty seven.

1065
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 9: But why respond to something or put something out there

1066
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Speaker 9: that has not happened.

1067
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Speaker 3: Because I could say, you just don't want it to happen.

1068
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Speaker 3: I think we don't want to low us those standards.

1069
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Speaker 9: Okay, if you look at the history of the medical industry,

1070
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 9: especially when it comes to black Americans, it shows the

1071
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 9: exact opposite to you. Look at the Tuskegee Experiment, and

1072
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 9: only five percent of doctors are in America are black.

1073
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Speaker 3: All of them are white.

1074
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Speaker 9: So are you saying that if the majority of doctors

1075
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 9: are white? Are you saying that and there are still

1076
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,720
Speaker 9: these inequities, right, and there's and people still they're still mistakes.

1077
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Speaker 9: Are you blaming DEI for that?

1078
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Speaker 12: No, I'm very very basically saying that if we lower

1079
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 12: standards for what it takes to become a board certified

1080
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Speaker 12: surgeon or you know, a cologist or something where where

1081
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 12: the kind of disease we're talking about, if you make

1082
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 12: a mistake causes someone to die, then more people will

1083
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Speaker 12: die that if we don't lower the standards, or we

1084
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 12: should all low the standards.

1085
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 9: Why do you think they're lowering the standards for minority

1086
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 9: doctors or women doctors or that's what the audit, that's

1087
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 9: what that article said.

1088
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Speaker 3: The suggested. Yes, at Due University.

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Speaker 4: By the way, they are lowering the standards in medical

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Speaker 4: school for certain minorities.

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Speaker 3: That is a fact.

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Speaker 4: They are lowering the standards in residency for certain minorities.

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Speaker 4: That is a fact. And they say, what do you mean,

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Speaker 4: look at MCAT scores. I mean, look at the only

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Speaker 4: objective measures that exist. And they do lower the standards dramatically,

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Speaker 4: and the problem is they want to lower them more.

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Speaker 4: And people are saying, hold on a second. With doctors,

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Speaker 4: it's not a sociology professor. I don't want the guy

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Speaker 4: who was bottom ten percent like Joe Biden. I don't

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Speaker 4: want that guy operating on my dad's heart or my heart.

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Speaker 3: I don't want that. It's pretty morse forward.

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Speaker 2: The more significant the job is, the less the race

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Speaker 2: or the gender or the sexuality of the person should matter.

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Speaker 3: Same thing. We've talked about this a lot. With flying airplanes.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about anything other than is my airplane

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Speaker 2: pilot a badass? When I get on an airplane. Similarly,

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Speaker 2: if you're needing serious surgery or one of your family

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Speaker 2: members does you don't care about anything other than is

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Speaker 2: that surgeon the best possible surgeon that I could get?

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Speaker 2: And so the fact that Don Lemon doesn't seem to

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Speaker 2: understand a very clear hypothetical makes me wonder, Buck, is

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Speaker 2: this the largest gap in intelligence in interview history?

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Speaker 3: It was? No, it really was. I mean it was astonishing.

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Speaker 4: It was a guy, it was really its brilliant, right,

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Speaker 4: he must he's a charbably a genius. He's probably like

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Speaker 4: a one fifty IQ or something, and maybe even way

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Speaker 4: higher than that. But yeah, maybe yeah, And Don Lemon,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't even want to guess.

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Speaker 3: But you know, this can work in a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of ways.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Clay for example, I mean, I'll just admit this.

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Speaker 4: I kind of like to get you know, when I'm

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Speaker 4: getting a latte, I kind of wanted to be somebody

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Speaker 4: who's got dyed purple hair, a nose ring, and tattoos

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Speaker 4: all over there. I don't know why, but those things.

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Speaker 3: They know coffee better.

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Speaker 8: You try one of those anarchists to make pretty good coffee.

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Speaker 8: You go, you go to Oregon, you go to Portland,

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Speaker 8: you go to these places. Now, I'm not saying that

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Speaker 8: that has to be the case. I'm sure there are

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Speaker 8: some very nice folks who don't have all that who

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Speaker 8: make who make great lattes. But I'm just saying in general,

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Speaker 8: I see bizarre piercings and purple hair and tattoos on

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Speaker 8: someone's arm at a coffee shop that is playing nineties

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Speaker 8: grunge music, and I'm like, I think they're going to

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Speaker 8: be good at this.

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Speaker 3: I'm just putting that out there.

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Speaker 2: The ultimate answer to this for me is, I think

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Speaker 2: sports are perfect analogy. If Elon Musk just come back

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Speaker 2: and said, you know what, you know, we do need

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Speaker 2: to have more diversity in medicine, but we really need

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Speaker 2: more diversity in the United States men's basketball team. We

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Speaker 2: got to fire a lot of black guys and and

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Speaker 2: then you say, wait, you're lowering the standard of the

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Speaker 2: performance that's required for a basketball player. Yeah, but it's

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Speaker 2: important for the basketball team to look like America. Almost

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Speaker 2: everybody immediately says, no, it's crazy, why would we want

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Speaker 2: to do that?

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Speaker 4: In any what you've leaned into, I mean, it's interesting

1150
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Speaker 4: because quotas everyone agrees are I mean, legally, quotas are unconstitutional.

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Speaker 4: But what all these schools do and everybody else is

1152
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Speaker 4: because it doesn't line up as though we had a quota.

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Speaker 4: It's unjust and the fundamentally that is just wrong. That's

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Speaker 4: the problem.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also whenever someone who is a minority dominates a field,

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Speaker 2: which is far more statistically improbable, it's never an issue.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: That's why the men's basketball team is great. There are

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Speaker 2: twelve black guys that represent the United States men's team

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Speaker 2: basketball team, the twelve best black guys in America. But

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Speaker 2: statistically that's almost improbable. Buck, You'd have to fire about

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Speaker 2: ten black guys to make the team look like America.

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Speaker 4: DEI and the self contradictions of race politics have made

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Speaker 4: more right wingers I think of more people, including a

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Speaker 4: lot of minorities, than any I think than almost any

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Speaker 4: other issue out there, I mean the de stuff. And

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Speaker 4: I heard Chris Rufo speaking about this a few days ago.

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Speaker 4: And anyway, he was brilliant. Deal with that another time.

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