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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationships and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling, Railvalry, No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth, Vely, that's good. Hi.

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Speaker 1: So we did the Nickelback we you know, we interviewed

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Speaker 1: Nickelback Chad and Mike. They were so great. They reveilled

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Speaker 1: some like pretty crazy stuff about their relationship and then

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Speaker 1: and then things they found out later in their life,

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Speaker 1: which I really appreciated. Mike was really open. I like that.

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Speaker 1: It's like he said, he's never been open about out

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Speaker 1: this thing, and I liked it. He's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be transparent the smoke and I thought that

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Speaker 1: was pretty cool. But we learned a lot about them.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked. I really was shocked by their uh

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Speaker 1: how they were, you know, grew up and like their

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Speaker 1: bruger has lived in a very small town and then

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Speaker 1: to find the success they did out of Canada. It

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Speaker 1: was pretty impressive, you know. And then even dealing with

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Speaker 1: all the haters later on. We talked about that a

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Speaker 1: little bit. You know, they just have a level head.

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Speaker 1: They're still doing it. I mean they're still torn. Yeah, Mike, Chad,

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Speaker 1: thank you for sharing with us. I hope everyone enjoys

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Speaker 1: Our nickelbacked episode with Chad and Mike Krueger. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: our podcast. Thank you for having us. We're hitting all

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Speaker 1: kinds of corners of the of the world kind of

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Speaker 1: are aren't we? M hmmm. We've got La to Albuquerque,

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Speaker 1: to Serbia, to abbits for British Columbia, to abbits for

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Speaker 1: British Columbia. Are you guys still actively touring a lot

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Speaker 1: or no? When was your last tour? Uh? When was it?

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Speaker 1: October nineteenth, twenty nineteen? Was our last show that we played? Real? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're still you're still touring all the time. I

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Speaker 1: mean I'm talking about with put covid aside. Okay, Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: we're ready to work whenever we can. Hey, you're gear up,

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Speaker 1: aren't you? Kinda yeah? Yeah, So let's go back a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Let's go back to the very beginnings when

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Speaker 1: you were just swinging around in your dad's nuts. Yes, yes, Oliver.

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Speaker 1: So where were you born? Where guys? Where were you

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Speaker 1: in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. SADDI, where were you born? I

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Speaker 1: was born in Provost, Alberta, which is about oo, maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe nine hundred people. Wow, really that's interesting, so small?

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Speaker 1: How many years a part of you guys? Two and

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Speaker 1: a half two and a half. So you're like, no,

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Speaker 1: we didn't really spend that much time, Like, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long we lived in provosts when

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Speaker 1: twenty nine hundred people wait for the gasp, and it

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Speaker 1: was called Hannah, albert And we grew up there and

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Speaker 1: there was nothing to do but get in trouble or

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Speaker 1: we'st of trouble, kind of trouble. God, wait, you don't

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Speaker 1: don't go there yet. Hold on a Secon. It's like,

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Speaker 1: frame this up. Let's frame this up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What is your mom? What are your what? Why are

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Speaker 1: you there? Like? What are your is at work? Was

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Speaker 1: your what? What? What jobs did your parents have? Our

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Speaker 1: that's prairies. Yeah, I love that. Okay, okay, let's get

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Speaker 1: But what was what was brother doing? I mean, were

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Speaker 1: My conversations with him were why do you keep doing this?

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Speaker 1: My dad always said I could sell h My dad's like,

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Speaker 1: But you know, that is something I'm sure that has

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Speaker 1: how long like your whole childhood? Uh? Mike, Yeah, you

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436
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Speaker 1: to know when music became, like was your family musical

437
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: or did you guys bring music to the family, because

438
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: I know that you had said that you lived so

439
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: far away from everything that like one record. I mean,

440
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: it's not like we're of the age, all of us

441
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: where we actually had either records or CDs, And when

442
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: we were really little it was tapes, you know, So

443
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 1: it's not like you could just find music anywhere. How

444
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: old are you? How old are you? K forty two? Okay,

445
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: so you're so and Oliver you're forty four. Yeah, so

446
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: you're a seventy six baby. So we're all a bunch

447
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: of seventies babies here, Like what's going on here? All right?

448
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: In order to actually get a record or get a tape,

449
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you had to either go to a truck

450
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 1: stop probably right. We had a record store. Yeah, we

451
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: had a little record store. It was like it turned

452
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: into half a furniture store and half of remember Mike,

453
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: because it was called custom Audio for a while and

454
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: then and then half of it became they sold furniture,

455
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: and then there was like a bunch of CDs over

456
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: on the side wall you could get You could get

457
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: something there if you want to. You know, it wasn't

458
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: like you just go to you know, I remember the

459
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: first thing when I needed to download something illegally and

460
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is this lime wire thing? I gotta

461
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: try lime Wire? I don't even know. That was before Napster.

462
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: It was a live ago. Now, yeah, lime Wire was

463
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: the precursor too, but you know it's it's but I

464
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: know what you're getting at, and it's it's like, uh,

465
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: the same thing is if you broke a guitar string

466
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: where we were at, it was just like devastating. It

467
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: was so devastating. You just look at it, just like no,

468
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: because now you got to go and kiss someone's ass

469
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: in that town that's got that E string, you know,

470
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: E a D G B one of them, you know,

471
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: one of those strings. It's like, hey, bro, how much

472
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: you want for like a how much you want for

473
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: a D string? Pretty much? You just steal it? So

474
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, probably didn't do you remember that? Did They didn't?

475
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: They sell like guitar strings and like drumsticks at Custom

476
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: Audio am I crazy? No, that was so shan Tell

477
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Kennedy's mom started a music shop and they started getting

478
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: some stuff in. But like, I mean, we were already

479
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: I think we were already. I mean you were I

480
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: think you were gone by then. So that was that

481
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: was a ways on. I mean the same thing for

482
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: a drummer. If you if you were down to your

483
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: last pair of drumsticks and you well, how many times

484
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: do you remember when we set up grandma's drum kit.

485
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: So there's a response to one of your questions, Kate,

486
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: when you said, you know, did you bring music to

487
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: the family ring? So, uh, my grandmother played drums and

488
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: my grandfather played bass in this band like big band,

489
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: big big Yeah. Oh cool, Yeah, so that was really

490
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: nat What your grandma played the drums? That's awesome. Well,

491
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: well did she have like a did she have like

492
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: a twenty eight piece kit? She was a little more

493
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: understated than that. It would but if you but if

494
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: you broke a drumstick, you were getting duct tape, and

495
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: you were like you weren't hitting hard with the right

496
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: hand or left hand, which everyone it was. You know,

497
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 1: you were like you would just utilize anything you could,

498
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: you know, to to every single degree to make sure

499
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: that you could just keep practicing or playing or whatever.

500
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: And so when we would so, now if you need

501
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: to learn how to play a song, or you want

502
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: to learn a lick or whatever it is, you know,

503
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: a riff something, you just go on the internet. You know,

504
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: YouTube will show you fifteen hundred different ways to play it.

505
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: And you know it's it's just not fucking fair because

506
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: when we grew up, it was just like you're sitting

507
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: you're sitting there just like listening, and you're like, oh,

508
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: that's not quite right. Yeah, but I bet it makes

509
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: better players, more imaginative players. I think it certainly goes yeah,

510
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: because you really because you have to you have to

511
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: really hear it, and you have to you have to

512
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: probably a more familiar foundation with the instrument. Yeah, maybe

513
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: it's an organic, an organic sort of an organic beginning.

514
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: I suppose that's such a that's such a kind way

515
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: of saying, you're just not as good as the kids

516
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: these days, not as good as my No, no, it's true.

517
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: They just like look up YouTube and before you know it,

518
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: they're all doing like exactly. They just know how to

519
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: play so crazy. So when you got into acting, when

520
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: when either of you got into Like, did you guys

521
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: go to any sort of formal education for acting? I did.

522
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean it was like formal, but I was always

523
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: in and out of things that I'm just doing. No. No,

524
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: I like went to Williamstown Theater Festival. I was different.

525
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: I went to like, you know, pacos, tacos and acting.

526
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: I would never know that I studied with different people

527
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: that I through the years. And I was always like

528
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: doing plays and stuff like that, and say was singing

529
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: like I was in chorus, and I was always doing

530
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: something like I heard you sing. I heard you sing.

531
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: It was like a pre recorded thing or something that

532
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: you had posted or from home or something like that.

533
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, here we go another actor

534
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: that thinks that they can sing. And then you started singing,

535
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, girls got shots. Girls got shot.

536
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: I was like, damn. I'm like, that's not fair. She's

537
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: a triple threats over there. Oh that makes me feel good.

538
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad you reading that I love to sing. I

539
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: can tell yeah. I honestly, honestly, I I thought at

540
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: one point that's what I would have done. You know.

541
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be like a pop star. I

542
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: think you too late. You very easily could have made it.

543
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: I've I've and that was an auto too. I I

544
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: it was really good. I was just like I was

545
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: taken aback. I was just like, wow, she can really

546
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: really say oh thanks, get on the plane. Yeah. I

547
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: want to know when it started for you guys, Like

548
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: what was the moment when you're like, oh fuck, I

549
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: love music, Like I know what that moment was for me,

550
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: and I know what artist it was for me When

551
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: I was like I was like fourteen in Muskoka, It's

552
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: when it's when I started to understand like music and

553
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: sexuality and like music pretty much hit that's so funny,

554
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: but like it like started to like like like just

555
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: like it became everything. Like I'd sink into it, you know,

556
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: and it was rolling stones, tattoo you. And it's it's

557
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: where I started dreaming, where I realized that music and

558
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: dreaming like really went together. What did you do? You

559
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: have any moments like that for you guys that were

560
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: where you really were like with an album or with

561
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: a particular moment or concert where you're like, this is

562
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: everything I want to do. I think it would be

563
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: like all these little moments of loving this one riff

564
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: and practicing it over and over. I remember I remember

565
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: a Metallica riff actually that I just absolutely loved and

566
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I would just rewind, play back, rewind, play back, rewind,

567
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: play back. And for all of you millennials, rewind is

568
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: a button that arrows going backward. Yeah, just backs it

569
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: up just a little bit. And uh, once I nailed

570
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: this one riff, I remember cranking up my amp in

571
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: the kitchen. Mom was going doing something and I remember

572
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: taking the phone off that I called my buddy and

573
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: being like, dude, check this out and like playing this

574
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: riff and he's like, dude, you got it. Like you're

575
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: actually nailing this rift. And I mean, it took me

576
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: so long just to get that rifted. But it was

577
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: all those little moments of like where you'd where you'd

578
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: or you know, you you'd sing something and sing and

579
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: sing and sing, and you know you're trying to increase

580
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: your range and you just can't get up to this

581
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: one note. And then one day just something happens and

582
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: you're just wow, you're just hitting this note. There was

583
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: all those little tiny moments that start that leads you

584
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: down that path of I think we can do this

585
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: that and a huge, huge bag of bullshit, you know,

586
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: just just just eighty pounds of bullshit shoved into a

587
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: forty pound sack, just like I just remember conning. I

588
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: just felt like I conned the entire band into just

589
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: about every every single aspect of everything we did. Like

590
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: we got the guitar to go take out a loan

591
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: for like twenty five thousand dollars and he's like, are

592
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: you sure these songs are good? Like these songs are amazing, dude,

593
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: these are amazing songs. Like we just need to get

594
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: to the next step. And we were making like we

595
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: were making our own CDs. We were pressing our own CDs,

596
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: we were making our own So the inlays, so I mean,

597
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: like these days when I look at and the paper

598
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: is worth more than the piece of plastic was. So

599
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: if you like, it depended on how many colors you'd do,

600
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: because if you just did black and white the whole thing,

601
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: it was like the cost of oh, it was just

602
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: way cheaper. And if you went to like fourteen colors

603
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: or twenty eight colors or everyone was, the price just

604
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: starts going through the roof. And so we had to

605
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: manage every single aspect of that. And I'm sure you

606
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: were the one who was telling him to get the

607
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: twenty five grand, you know, the hustler being like, no,

608
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: trust you, guys, this is going to work out. You're

609
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: gonna get your money back in more. This is at

610
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: least a ten x play for you. I don't think

611
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: I knew it ten x play was at the time,

612
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: but it was just like, you know, I was just

613
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: like sugar I was you know, I was the politician.

614
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: I was just the sugar coating sob. That was just

615
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: like conning everyone the whole way, and they came along

616
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: will it. And then so then I sort of had

617
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: to become the fearless leader. I'm like, okay, well I

618
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: talked everybody into doing this, So I have to lead

619
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: these guys into battle every single time we get on stage,

620
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: and if anything goes wrong or there's a problem with anything,

621
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: I take that on my shoulders. And when there's like

622
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: a lull in the show or anything like that, I'm

623
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, I have to make this better. I've

624
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: got to sit down and we have to reanalyze like

625
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: set lists, we got to look at lighting, We're gonna

626
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: have to look at every single thing to make sure

627
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: that every second of you know, every show we play,

628
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: people are just like just entertained to the end of degree. Mike.

629
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: I want to know what your moment was for music. Well,

630
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: like him, wasn't really one moment per se, but his

631
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: was more performative, you know. He he kind of got

632
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: engaged with music performatively by doing it. I remember, long

633
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: before I ever played, having having music make an impact

634
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: on me that I couldn't really avoid. I remember sitting

635
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639
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640
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641
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642
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643
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644
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645
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646
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647
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,279
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648
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,960
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649
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650
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651
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652
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653
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654
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655
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656
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657
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: very often, but every once in a while there's a

658
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: track that I just like, I feel like I almost

659
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: can't breathe, and my eyes water a lot. My kids

660
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: bust me, you know, all the time, and give me

661
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: a hard time about it, and and it, but it

662
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: doesn't go away. Gets the more sensitive he gets my

663
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: throats closed right now? Oh wow, you're welcome squeaming with Zeppelin.

664
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Speaker 1: That was this stuf up that really really tore me up. Yeah,

665
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 1: if that's the truth, Mike, then why did you wake

666
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: me up every single morning before school cranking Slay? Yeah?

667
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: I get I get kind of choky about Slayer now,

668
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Speaker 1: So you know raining blood makes you cry? Yeah, yeah,

669
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,040
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670
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671
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672
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673
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: fucking rock and raining blood. Raining Raining Blood is, you know,

674
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: to be uninitiated. The album is called Rain and Blood.

675
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: The first song is called rain and Blood. The last

676
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: song is called Raining Blood. That is the opus right there.

677
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,319
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678
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,839
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Speaker 1: So when did the band get together? When you went

738
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: to Vancouver? When did this? When did it all happen?

739
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: When was the what was the moment? You know what

740
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what was this single? How did it

741
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: all happen? And all of a sudden, you're like, holy shit,

742
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: we are it was it was this, It wasn't. I mean,

743
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: it was kind of overnight, but it wasn't. So we

744
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: had like probably I don't know, four or five like

745
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: independent singles on the radio across Canada. And I mean,

746
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you know how the public thinks, they're like, oh,

747
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: you're on the radio. You're rich, you know, but I was.

748
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: I was still moving furniture. Like I walked into this

749
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: lady's house one time and I'm holding this heavy box

750
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: god knows what and she looks at me goes, are

751
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: you the singer for Nickelback? Like, yeah, where do you

752
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: want this? Because this is heavy as hell? You know.

753
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: You know, so you're still working straight jobs and whatnot.

754
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: But you know, once once we got signed, even that

755
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: was a slow progression. So we went out on the

756
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: road for the first fourteen months, opening for absolutely everybody,

757
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: and we went everybody everywhere, and then they gave us

758
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: five weeks to go back in the studio and make

759
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: a record, and we made an album called Silver Side

760
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: Up with a song on there called how You Remind Me,

761
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: And that was the moment where everything changed. And then

762
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was like, okay, we're everything

763
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: changes because that single just took off and that's shit.

764
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah that got weird really quick too, it did.

765
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: How did it get weird? It just went It went

766
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: international instantly, So it was like we we just started

767
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: getting used to playing larger rooms in North America and

768
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, you're going to Australia. Hey, you're going

769
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: to England. Hey, you're going to Japan. You know, it

770
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: got it got really really cool. It was fun. And

771
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: were you guys pumped or was there a was there

772
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: fear at all or were you guys like, oh, I

773
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: mean fear of success in a sense, like, holy shit,

774
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: we're kind of here right now. How do we maintain

775
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: this or what do we do? Well? They said to us,

776
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: They're like, Okay, how do you guys want the show

777
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: to look? Because you can do anything you want. We

778
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: were like, well, what do you mean we can do

779
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: anything we want? They said, well, the entire the entire

780
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: world tour is sold out, and you guys are playing arenas,

781
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: and you guys can do anything you want. And I'm like,

782
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: I want to blow up everything. I want flames, I

783
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: want flames coming out of the stage, I want explosions,

784
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: I want a massive stage, I want a huge screen,

785
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: I want you know, all these things. And they're like done, done,

786
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: and and then we you know, it was just a

787
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: and it was just it was just fun. And what

788
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: year what year was this? Two thousand and one, two

789
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: thousand and one, Yeah, and into the end of two thousand, Yeah,

790
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: it was two thousand and one in the beginning of

791
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and two when it was the eye of

792
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: the hurricane, so to speak. Yeah, and then after two

793
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: thousand and two second album stuff. You know, was there

794
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: pressure in a sense to like, Okay, we did one,

795
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: let's keep this train going. Yes, Yes, turns out that's

796
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: how you keep the lights on. At record companies, they're

797
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: just giving us the whole. I mean, they were supportive

798
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: and everything, but they all of them, like our manager,

799
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: the record companies, like Okay, well, you can't really have

800
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: this kind of success and then duplicate it, so you

801
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: should just sort of prepare yourself for the downhill, you know,

802
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: the downslope. And we came out with a song called Someday,

803
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: and then on there was a rock track that started

804
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: off with I Like your pants around your feet and

805
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: uh and then and then the vitriol began. If you

806
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: can have success with a sophomore album, then you really

807
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: like kind of solidified, you know. It's sort of like

808
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: that pressure is real, you know. But but some people

809
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: have a shitty sophomore and then their third albums better,

810
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: you know. And that was the case. That was the

811
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't the case because we put on an album

812
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: after that, called All the Right Reasons, and it had

813
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: seven singles on it, you know, songs like Photograph, far Away, Animals,

814
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: rock Star, Side of a Bullet. I mean there was just,

815
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: uh if if everyone cared, there was just this you know,

816
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: crazy monster record because they and they kept telling us

817
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: so they was just prepared. So like the third album

818
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: is just gonna tank, you know, And and I think

819
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: at this point it's I think we're somewhere in the

820
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: neighborhood of twenty two million in sales on the tent

821
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: on the third record. Third third record sold twenty two

822
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: million copies, so crazy. Yeah. Well then that one went

823
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: went on to become easily our largest, like our most

824
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: So many records have you guys sold, you know in

825
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: your career? Right? It's getting close to sixty million now,

826
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: is it really? Yeah? Yes, it is. Wow, It's that's

827
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I don't know what what does

828
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: fifty or sixty million of anything look like? Can anybody

829
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: help me with that? I don't know, I don't know.

830
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: It's weird a lot. It looks an awful lot, like

831
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: not having to wake up to an alarm unless you're

832
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: getting on a zoom call with Kate and Oliver Man.

833
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: You guys, do you write everything? Is it all you? Do?

834
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: You ever bring in writers? And do you produce your

835
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: own albums? Would you work with producers? I mean some

836
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: I would assume you work with some pretty great producers. Oh,

837
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: we did for a while. I mean we've worked with

838
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: so I guess the biggest one would be Mutt Lang.

839
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: We brought out of retirement, and uh, we were very

840
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: very fortunate because I think I personally was worried that

841
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: it was things were going to start getting a little

842
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 1: stagnant or a little stale, and and I didn't want

843
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: because when a lot of the chord progressions are, a

844
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: lot of the melodies are coming out of I guess

845
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: I would be called the primary writer and they're coming

846
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: out of me. It. I was just worried that I'm

847
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: going to start going back to the same well a

848
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: lot of times involuntarily, and so I wanted to be

849
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: cognizant of that. And I thought it would be great

850
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: if we could bring someone in that would take us

851
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: down different paths safely, you know, and just be like,

852
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: try this, try this, try this, try this, try this.

853
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: And that was an album called dark Horse, and uh,

854
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: that was That was wonderful. That was great. But a

855
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: lot of times it's it's usually us sort of steering

856
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: the ship and knowing where we're going because you can

857
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: kind of tell what you're writing, like when it starts

858
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: coming out, it's like, oh, it's gonna be one of

859
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: these it's gonna be like a heavy rock tune, or

860
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be, oh, this is gonna be sort of

861
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: a nostalgic mid tempo guy, and you just sort of

862
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: know where you're directing it. But even in that sense,

863
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: it's nice to just have someone come in and give

864
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: you different flavors. Yeah, did you go to in Switzerland?

865
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: Did you go to his place? Yeah? We did. Yeah,

866
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: we did three songs in Switzerland. And then and then

867
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: he and uh, Eileen, we're having some problems there and uh,

868
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: that's that's Shanaia's real name, Oliver. You look, you look confused.

869
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: Come on. So so then so he must said, uh, hey,

870
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: I think we should let's go to your place. Okay.

871
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: So then so then moved in here for five months.

872
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: Uh I've been straight seven straight months, sorry, Brad Brad

873
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: is corrected seven every day. Yes, and then yeah, so

874
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: you got two thousand and one, you got two thousand

875
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: and one. There's certain genres of music that get hot

876
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: and then fall away, right, So how do you move

877
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: with that? Did you move with that? Do you have

878
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: any regrets that you maybe didn't sort of conform to

879
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: the new genres or evolve And I'm not saying you haven't,

880
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: but you know, where where does where do you stand

881
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: there as far as through your evolution of sorts. And

882
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: then when we first started this thing, Oliver, you know,

883
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: four dudes in a band playing, you know, with guitars

884
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: and stuff, it was more about the Shania Twains of

885
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: the world at that time, and the way that the

886
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: industry treated it and the consumers too, was that if

887
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: you weren't like a female singer songwriter, pretty much wasting

888
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: your time. Like when we first started, that was the

889
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: sentiment in the world of music at that time. So

890
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: we were fighting headwinds from the beginning. What was the

891
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: year what was the year? That was like ninety six,

892
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: you know when we first began, ninety six ninety seven,

893
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: and that was it was sort of yeah, it was

894
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: major headwinds, major headwinds, and we've had them since, you know,

895
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: the cycle of music continues the pace, right, you know,

896
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: we see that sometimes it's it's cool to be in

897
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: a rock band, and sometimes it's harder to sell that,

898
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: and you know, it looks like it's coming back around again, thinking, oh,

899
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: yeah it is. I can tell with the with the

900
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: gen Z too, like my son and they're all listening

901
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: to like early nineties music and they all want to

902
00:54:55,080 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: be in rock bands. Yeah, God, good god. How do

903
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: you guys deal with like, hey, how do you guys

904
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: deal with haters and like, you know, the people who

905
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: are always hating on you guys or the people who

906
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: are you know that once that social media kicks up,

907
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: and how do these that affect you? How do you

908
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: deal with that? Ship you just slough it off and

909
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: say fuck off, what we're doing. What we're doing. Does

910
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: it get into your soul? Like where are you at

911
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: with all that? We fixate on it until we can't

912
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: sleep at night. Oh it's not. So. The real answer

913
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: is is that in the beginning, you know, we when

914
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: we started this thing, we were very much you know

915
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: there there's there's very much that that phenomenon where it's

916
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: the the hopeless new guys who don't have a chance

917
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: that everybody gets behind because you're you're the underdogs, and

918
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: everybody wants to cheer for an underdog and get behind

919
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: what we were doing. And you know, so we went

920
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: from utter in total obscurity, nobody knew who we were

921
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: to be in the new guys who you know, hapless, helpless,

922
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: basically no chance and hell, this is going to work.

923
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: And everybody you know, jumped on and wanted to support

924
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: us and help us. And then and then when you

925
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: pass a certain kind of threshold of whatever everybody considers

926
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: to be visibility, that's when it's time for you to

927
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: get cut back down again. You know, the tall poppy syndrome.

928
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've heard of that before. You just you grow,

929
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: you grow beyond what the rest of the tribe thinks

930
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: you should be. So you you, uh, they send you

931
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: out there to cut your own switch, and and they

932
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: kick your ass. And in the beginning of really it's

933
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: such the nature of the beast, isn't it. Yeah, it does,

934
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: it happens, you know, it really hurt in the beginning,

935
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: until I think for me, it's I just kind of

936
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: realized that all my favorite bands went through that when

937
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: they were successful. You know, all my favorite bands got

938
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 1: roundly killed for doing well, you know, because it's like, oh,

939
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: I was a fan when they you know, when it

940
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: was cool, you know, right, everybody's like, oh, yeah, they

941
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: used to be cool, but now they sold all these

942
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: records and they suck. You know that that's the sentiment

943
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: that just overrides everything. I remember it even going to

944
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,439
Speaker 1: high school, even junior high school, people saying that about

945
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: bands that, you know, bon Jovi was a good example

946
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: that everybody loved bon Jovi, and then bon Jovi got

947
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: really huge, and it's like, yeah, fuck these guys, you know,

948
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: like you get rid of it, you know, that's it's

949
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: time for them to get cut down, you know. And

950
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: it's not fair because they're obviously fantastic still and we're

951
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: fantastic the whole time. The best. How about you guys

952
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: as brothers, I mean I was. I was on a

953
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: tour once with Noel and Liam and then my ex

954
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: husband and Rich. I have a story for you, Kate

955
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: and Chad doesn't know this one. It just happened a

956
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: few weeks ago. She was gonna You're gonna break the

957
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: band up. A couple of weeks I was, I was

958
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: at arrest here in Los Angeles, where many of the

959
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: fabulous are known to frequent or whatever. And I ran

960
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: into a friend of mine who's a photographer and his

961
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: name's Ross Halton. He's an angry little British man and

962
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: I love him. He said. He said, Hey, I'm here

963
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: with the Black Pros guys. Would you like to meet them?

964
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: And I was like sure. So he, you know, took

965
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: me over to the table where the two brothers just

966
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: sitting right and they got up to say hello and

967
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: shake hands and oh, Hi, nice to meet you, you know,

968
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: and I said, so, how's it going? And Chris grabbed

969
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: rich By like around the neck and like kissed his

970
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: face and laughed and laughed. And I was like, you're

971
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: not fooling anybody, now, I know how this works. I'm

972
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: in a band with my brother too. You don't have

973
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: to you don't have to do that. But then they

974
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: were roaring. They have their heads off about that, and

975
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: and the truth is is, you know, it's never going

976
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: to be perfect, you know it just it's never gonna

977
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: be perfect. And yeah, no, we don't get into the

978
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: Gallagher esque brawls or or you know, publicly embarrass ourselves

979
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: like that, but we certainly don't always agree, you know,

980
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: but we you know, we take care of stuff on

981
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: our own and have a little you know, like yeah,

982
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: just we're it's not it's not so charged that we

983
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: can't keep a lid on it. Let's say, I don't know,

984
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the band dynamic is that it really

985
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: does need a very like real strict boundaries or else

986
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: it can get super messy. Chad's the guy who has

987
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: to sing in the songs, so you know, and he has,

988
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: like he said, when somebody breaks his train or something

989
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: sucks up, he's the guy who has to keep the

990
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: train moving when the train's getting worked on. So that

991
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: that's just naturally a leadership position. Chad leads his band absolutely.

992
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: We yeah, maybe on stage the things that that Mike

993
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: and I would disagree on would be like, you know,

994
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: are we going to go to South Africa after Germany

995
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: or do you want to go there after we hit Russia?

996
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: You know, and then figuring out the logistics of when

997
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: to go to different countries and whatnot. And that's when

998
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: that's when all you know, he we start butting heads

999
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: on logistics. So typically, and I don't know what, I

1000
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: don't know what most bands fight over. I mean it's

1001
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure from pizza toppings to whatever else. I don't know,

1002
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: but I know that when we when we have arguments,

1003
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: it has more to do with almost more to do

1004
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: with like running a global corporation than it does to

1005
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: do with being in a band together. Because because when

1006
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: you can't go to Australia because the Australian dollar is

1007
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: so low that we're going to lose money and we

1008
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: have to wait for the Aussie buck to come back up,

1009
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: do we head over to Europe first? And though, and

1010
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: these are the things that we have to figure out logistically.

1011
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: It's not like no, I said, go to the a

1012
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 1: minor bro yea. We don't have those like rehearsal hall

1013
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: scraps where no, somebody didn't fucking play the right chord

1014
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: or something and somebody gets punched in the mouth. Like

1015
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. I mean it sounds like you wouldn't

1016
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: because you have just beyond music. You guys have a

1017
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: great brotherly relationship. From the get it's pretty good. Yeah,

1018
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. You're really good. You know, there's there's

1019
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: foundation there, there's stability, so you're able to sort of

1020
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: maybe communicate better than the Robinson brothers of the Gallaghers. Yeah,

1021
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: it's someone in the in your pr I literally think

1022
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: that you guys should fight publicly that happened. Are you

1023
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: just just like going through nasty ship on the internet

1024
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: right now just reading We had a we were I

1025
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: remember this, Kate. We were in London and they wanted

1026
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 1: us to get They wanted me to get arrested for something. No, no, no,

1027
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: it's not that one that it was one of our singles.

1028
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember which single it was or even what

1029
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: album it was, but I remember I was in the

1030
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: Jury Street, uh Jury's Hotel on Great Russell Street in London,

1031
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,479
Speaker 1: and my phone in my room rang and I picked

1032
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: it up and it was one of the promo guys

1033
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: from New York. Be more specific, be more specific. I'm

1034
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna protect the the identities of being guilty here,

1035
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: but aside from that, I'm going to be pretty specific.

1036
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, the guy called and he said, well,

1037
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: first of all, a little bit of background that we

1038
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: had a single that I think was struggling a little

1039
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: bit and they were having a hard time breaking into

1040
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: the top ten or something like that, and what he

1041
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: suggested it was that Chad not I get in an

1042
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 1: actual fist fight publicly, that we that we go to

1043
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 1: a bar and actually stage a fight, And I was like,

1044
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: that is so crazy, fucking crack. There's no way. Oh

1045
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: my god. We're into success and selling records, but come on, like,

1046
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: that's that's insane. But I don't know that everyone says

1047
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: no to that, guys, Oh my god. I think people

1048
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: would probably say yes and no. Honestly, I mean, you know,

1049
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: we love to put on a show for for the

1050
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: for the people day. I'm sure we could choreograph really

1051
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: sweet Uh, Jackie Chance, you should do a really funny

1052
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: you should do a really funny fight, you know. Yeah,

1053
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: it's all funny until somebody gets hit in the nose

1054
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: and then it's like then it's real. Yeah, we're going

1055
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: off script, bro, we're going off script. You guys doing

1056
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: new music? Yes, yes, yeah, doing the studio now, I mean,

1057
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: you guys are actually in the midst of recording. I'm

1058
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: in the studio right now. So I'm in my studio.

1059
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: So I just so, how far along? How far along

1060
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: are we? I mean, are we probably have cool that's exciting?

1061
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 1: Are you going to start touring anytime soon. I think

1062
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: we've got forty four shows lined up in twenty twenty two,

1063
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: starting in June. And what kind of venues are your planning?

1064
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: Are you going to play amphitheaters? Oh, we're going to

1065
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: play all those shows me indoor, me outdoor things. Yeah,

1066
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: this is exciting. I have I've loved getting to know

1067
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: you and talk to you for this hour, and I

1068
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: want to I want to get into our speed round

1069
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: because I know you're gonna have to do this on

1070
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: your own because I got to go to the studio charity.

1071
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: I'm already late. I'm already late. But this was this

1072
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: was really fun and there's more to talk about. I

1073
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: want to I want to get into all the devious stuff.

1074
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: I had a great time you guys. Thank you. I

1075
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: appreciate thank you very much. All right, all right, well

1076
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: let's do the speed round. Speed round. Okay, one word

1077
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 1: to describe each other creative? Responsible, My god, what would

1078
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 1: Chad do without you? Mike? It sounds like you kind

1079
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: of hold all the pieces together. You're the moral Mike's

1080
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: moral compass. You know, that's that is what it sounds like.

1081
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: I think, Just fine, Mike, Mike's the band, grandmother. Okay.

1082
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: One word to describe your relationship hm, hm. At the

1083
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: risk of stoking the fires, I'd say complex. It is complex.

1084
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: I was going to say diverse. Oh that's a good

1085
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: word too. Why is it so complex? You guys haven't

1086
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: really doubled into your complexity because we wear different hats.

1087
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he and I literally can finish up each other.

1088
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: A heated each other sandwich is a heated debate. And

1089
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: then you know, the second we're off off the road,

1090
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, so are you gonna come over and

1091
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: see the kids, because you know it's Avalon's birthday. And

1092
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, just when you want me over there,

1093
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 1: you want like at seven, So I come see at seven,

1094
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 1: you know, and then it's just fam. It goes, it goes.

1095
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: It's so weird to go from you know, running a

1096
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: band together to like, all of a sudden, I'm uncle

1097
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: Chad and or I'm the brother, or I'm the the

1098
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: brother in law to Angela, my sister in law. So

1099
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: there's just such it's it's there many dichotomies. I feel

1100
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: like all sibling relationships are actually pretty complex. Okay, who's

1101
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: more emotional? Go ahead, ched, well, come on, man, I

1102
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: just I guess I got say me, but in different ways,

1103
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah, that's just my answer. Are you comfortable?

1104
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: Do you cry a lot? Do I cry? See? That's

1105
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: what I meant by so just the word emotional alone

1106
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: is just like which which emotion? What kind of emotional? Well? Emotional?

1107
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, are you comfortable crying? Yeah? It just takes

1108
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: the right amount of tequila. Great, Oh so you're one.

1109
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: You're a crier? I get it. No, stage four, stage four, no,

1110
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: see see, I would think that the emotion part comes,

1111
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: I would you know, there's there's a lot of passion

1112
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: that comes with it. So if I'm passionate about something,

1113
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 1: creativity or any part of like a vision that I'm seeing, Well,

1114
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: it was the same way when we were trying to

1115
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: get this band off the ground. For me, it was

1116
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: either you're in or you're in the way, and there

1117
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: is nothing in between. Either you're in or you're in

1118
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: the way. And when I see the end goal, nothing

1119
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: on this planet will stop me from getting there. And

1120
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: so do I bring emotion into that? And I'm insanely competitive?

1121
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: I don't. I just saw it. I just saw it. Wait,

1122
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: when's your birthday? Chad, what's your sign if you had

1123
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,480
Speaker 1: to guess? Okay, you're a fire sign. I'm a scorpio.

1124
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh god, okay, Mike, I'm a cancer sign. Oh no,

1125
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: wonder you guys like fit? You fit your signs? Okay,

1126
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: you're a scorpio. I say scorpio and she goes, oh yeah,

1127
01:08:53,520 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: Mike's cancer. Okay. Who's more introverted? Mike? Yeah? Me for sure?

1128
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 1: Definitely could survive the longest on the road. Me. Yeah, probably. Yeah.

1129
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 1: Who was a tattletale Mike for sure. I'm very rule

1130
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 1: bound person. I'm a rule bound I'm a rule bound person.

1131
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: I'm a truth bound person. I don't keep secrets. As

1132
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: it was evidenced earlier in the podcast, you know, I

1133
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: just I don't. I'm not good at being false. I'm

1134
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: not good at it at all. I tattle. I follow

1135
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: the rule. I tell them myself, you know, if I

1136
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: do something wrong. What was the first album you ever bought?

1137
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: Do you remember your ched like Dacin Back for the

1138
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: Attack or something like that, My Whole Good one, Dawcin

1139
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: Back for the Attack. I don't know. That is metal

1140
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: band Dawkin from the nineties nineties. Okay maybe yeah, you're right,

1141
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think the first one was Tooth and

1142
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: nailm okay, oh yeah, right with the yeah, with the

1143
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 1: clothing on the cover, right, Yeah, mine was Pink Floyd

1144
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: the Wall Actually, oh yeah, still one of my favorites.

1145
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: What's the thing you most fight about whether or not

1146
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:23,960
Speaker 1: we're going to do a podcast with Kate and Oliver?

1147
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: Now you're going to fight about why you did the podcast. Well,

1148
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see how this gets edited. So if

1149
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: you could live off one food forever, what would it be?

1150
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know what this is? Well, yeah,

1151
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:48,480
Speaker 1: you spend enough time in Canada perogis. Oh my gods. Uh.

1152
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 1: I really developed a powerful addiction to venison. That is

1153
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: the first time we've heard that on this show. Yeah, venison, yep.

1154
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful lean meat, super lean. You got to

1155
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 1: bring your own chat when you cook that stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

1156
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: Who's the most athletic Mike? Yes? Me, Mike works out

1157
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: a lot. Okay. Who has better taste in music? Oh, Chad,

1158
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: for sure, that's not true because I literally am the

1159
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 1: biggest Nickelback fan in the world. So I gotta go

1160
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: with Mike. I mean, it depends on what your idea

1161
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: of good taste is, right, Like, I mean, you know,

1162
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty subjective. It's hard and hard to say

1163
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 1: what what's what's what's good taste? What does that mean

1164
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: to you? So, like Kate, every single time we got

1165
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: off stage and Mike puts in his his his earbuds

1166
01:11:55,080 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: or whatever he's listening to, it's just NonStop. Oh yes,

1167
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: that's like twenty twenty four to seven, the heaviest, screamingest,

1168
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 1: most angriest pissed off ship you've ever heard in your life,

1169
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: Like it is angry. So basically, your kids like jazz, yeah, right,

1170
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: Like your kids are like the opposite. They're like d

1171
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,560
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean yeah, my

1172
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: children listen to everything from uh, let's see here like

1173
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: Chet Baker to yeah the Second Pistols. Yeah yeah, my kids.

1174
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: Your kids have the best of music, is what you're saying.

1175
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: My kids do have the best. Okay. First, celebrity crush,

1176
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: Kate Hudson. I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed. That's unfair. First,

1177
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: I can't use you, okay, Leonardo DiCaprio, go on, I

1178
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: love that one. He's pretty dreamy. Cha. I don't know. First,

1179
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: celebrity crush like, oh oh, wait just a minute, who's

1180
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: there was a girl that used to be in movies

1181
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,680
Speaker 1: once in a while, and I was she was in

1182
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: something like The Babysitter or something like that, and they

1183
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: and she had a she had a moment. It might

1184
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: have been Elizabeth Shoe or Phoebe Cats, you know from

1185
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 1: Fast Times, say or not? Say? She was in Charles

1186
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: in Charge first concert? Okay, we were together? What was

1187
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: it allan? No? I thought it was Wait a minute,

1188
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: was it poison? I think it was poison in Tesla? Yeah,

1189
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: it was poison in Tesla. I think was the first one.

1190
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 1: I think the talk was the second one we went

1191
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:18,799
Speaker 1: to and justice for all. That's right, that's right, poison Tesla. Okay,

1192
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: if you were to rob a bank, who would be

1193
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: driving the getaway car? And who would actually rob the bank?

1194
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 1: If you? I mean, we don't have to, we don't

1195
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: have to answer this question. You already know you know

1196
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: who it is. You tell it, tell us who it is.

1197
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 1: I just feel like Chad would do both and he's

1198
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: Robb's literally as far as driving goes, there's no question

1199
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: who would do the driving Like chat, we do the driving.

1200
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 1: Woman God, I refuse to ride in with this guy.

1201
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: It's oh no, oh god, utterly, oh yeah, don't do it?

1202
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: And do you like cars? Are you one of those?

1203
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I just have nothing but horrible attributes. Just

1204
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: the worst person on the planet, settled the most emotional

1205
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: You're getting, I'm getting that you're I'm getting that you're

1206
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: an emotional I'm an emotional driver. All right. So our

1207
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: last question that we ask, it's a two part question,

1208
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: and the first part of it is what is one

1209
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: thing that you would love to emulate, something that your

1210
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: brother you know, characteristic of your brothers that you wish

1211
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: that you would love to emulate. And then the other

1212
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: part is that what is the one thing from your

1213
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: bro that you wish you could alleviate because you think

1214
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: it would make their life, you know, better or more optimal? Optimal.

1215
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: I would say, if if I ever become a father,

1216
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,440
Speaker 1: I would like to be as good a father as

1217
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: Mike is, because Mike is like he would win Dad

1218
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: of the Year every every year. Uh, since the moment

1219
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 1: of those children's birth. He is Wow, just unlimited patience

1220
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: and and yeah, okay, no, no, I'm gonna puleteer here. Mister,

1221
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: and if I could, if I could alleviate one attribute

1222
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 1: from Mike that I think would make his life easier,

1223
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: what would it be an attribute that I could alleviate

1224
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 1: from your life? If I could take something from you

1225
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: and make your life. I'm gonna say I think that

1226
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 1: if you were just a little bit more carefree, I

1227
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 1: think your stress level would probably come down a bit.

1228
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: I think I think you're right on target with that one,

1229
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: because that's I think the thing I need the most

1230
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 1: work on as a person is how how to relax

1231
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: and not be so stressed stress killer, you know, and

1232
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:13,919
Speaker 1: that clucks that clock's wound a little tight. Yes, okay,

1233
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 1: so shoot me. The thing that I admire most about

1234
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: about Chad is that the gift that Chad has to

1235
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: create is something that well, I'm not the only one.

1236
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I've you know, I've talked to some of

1237
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 1: the most creative people in the world and they have

1238
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: said that the Chat is a standout creator. Like to

1239
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 1: to be able to to sit down and make turn

1240
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: nothing into something is uh. It mystifies me completely, and

1241
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: I admire it so much. It's it's such a it's

1242
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: such a special thing that only you know a handful

1243
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 1: of people get to do you know, or can do

1244
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 1: that is or I have that ability to be able

1245
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,520
Speaker 1: to do that, And I think that's that's probably the

1246
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: you know, the most the most amazing thing about you

1247
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: is that you can you know, to be able to

1248
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: to do that is. It's really a special thing. I

1249
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: don't I think it would be easy to minimize, but

1250
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 1: I would never do that. I never. I think it's

1251
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,760
Speaker 1: a I think it's a tremendous, tremendous attribute and it's

1252
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: really a mystery, you know. Honestly, thank you, And we

1253
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: already said I was the emotional ones to stop. Don't

1254
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: know the thing that I would revise about Chad or

1255
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Speaker 1: alleviate or alleviate. Oh, he's not going to stop there.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be revised for question. Okay, okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to make his life better, right. I think it would

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Speaker 1: be really good for him if he could, if he

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Speaker 1: could not consider what other people think to have any importance.

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Speaker 1: You know. I wish he really truly didn't give her

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Speaker 1: a ship. I really do, because I think that would

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Speaker 1: make his life so much better. You guys, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. I really appreciate your candidness and coming on

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Speaker 1: and spending this hour with us. It was awesome and

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Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing you in person one of

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Speaker 1: these days. That'd be great. Thanks so much for this opportunity, Kate,

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Speaker 1: it was really nice. Thank you. Sibling Revelry is executive

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Speaker 1: produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer is Alison President,

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Speaker 1: editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson aka Uncle Mark.

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