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Speaker 2: That's it. Hello.

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Speaker 3: My name is Jason.

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Speaker 1: Concepcion and on Thursday night, and welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: x Ray Vision, the podcast where we dive deep to your.

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Speaker 3: Favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture coming from.

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Speaker 4: Our broadcasts broadcasts proadcasting. We're bringing you three one, two,

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Speaker 4: three Monday, well, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Maybe episodes a week Baby Tuesday, Thursday for sure, and

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Speaker 1: then the third episode anywhere from Wednesday to Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Saturday's news. If you want to know what's guid

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Speaker 2: on you to listen to us.

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Speaker 5: And in today's episode, the State of Animation, we are

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Speaker 5: going to be doing a little short news section previously

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Speaker 5: on talking about the Animation Guild contract which was recently ratified,

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Speaker 5: and the impact of dog Man and its recent success.

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Speaker 5: You might be like, what's dog Man if you don't

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Speaker 5: have kids, but we'll talk about it because it's one

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Speaker 5: of the most successful comic books in the world and

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Speaker 5: now it is a very successful movie. And then we

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Speaker 5: will be catching up with Harlequin season five, The future

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Speaker 5: of the DC Animated Universe. What's happening with that Blue

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Speaker 5: Beetle animated series We've been promised, and we're going to

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Speaker 5: recently called Common Side Effects.

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Speaker 3: But first previously on First Up in News.

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Speaker 1: The Animation Guild, which is the union that represents five

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Speaker 1: thousand workers in the animation industry in the US. It's

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Speaker 1: very important caveat only in the US, ratified its new

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Speaker 1: percent in favor. And this new deal provides protections along

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Speaker 3: How, when and why AI could be.

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Speaker 1: Used, including the ability to consult with productions to identify

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Speaker 1: This is obviously a huge deal, but also it's a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and also as well, it's like any union kind

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Speaker 5: And like Jason said, it's actually pretty interesting when you

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Speaker 1: The comment from the Animation Guild Rep. Steve Kaplan says,

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Speaker 1: The advanced sins made here are plenty, but there's also

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Speaker 1: seen the trailer for dog Man, Yes, which is a

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Speaker 1: I think Paw Patrol is significantly more fascist than dog Man,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and but dog Man can't talk, even though the

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Speaker 5: In twenty twenty four, dog Man the Scarlet Shredder by

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Speaker 5: Six hundred and sixty seven and eighty copies in the

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Speaker 5: Interesting to then see how this movie, which outperformed what

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Speaker 1: here's the great thing about about a dog cop that

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Speaker 6: Wow, okay, DC Animation, what's next?

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Harley Quinn Season five, which is ongoing

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Speaker 1: right now. I believe it's on episode three on HBO

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Speaker 3: To talk about it. Joel, what's the update on Harlequin

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Speaker 7: What I really appreciate about season five so far, it's

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Speaker 7: That's just called Harley Quinn. It's really about the two

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Speaker 7: You get into some more of Ivy's backstory. How did

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Speaker 7: It's interesting to see them outside of their native home.

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Speaker 7: herself and for Harley, she's a chaos agent in a

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Speaker 5: I'm very excited because the third episode is called Floronic Man,

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Speaker 5: so that means we're really getting into more swamp thing territory.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for checking in, Jos And what

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Speaker 7: If you like queer women behaving atrociously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true, he's pop bad.

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Speaker 3: He's excellent.

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Speaker 2: All right, Thanks guys, Thanks to all.

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Speaker 1: Next up in DC Animation News, more Blue Beatles stories.

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Speaker 1: The Blue Beetle movie didn't hit in the way that

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Speaker 3: No real date yet.

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Speaker 5: No, it's exciting we get the Soolo Marduena, who plays

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Speaker 5: Blue bet Ol Jaimehnandez in this. He said, I'm ready

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Speaker 2: So fingers crossed. And I think it.

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Speaker 5: Is really really cool that this is like one of

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Speaker 5: And I totally understand because the movie is actually totally charming,

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Speaker 5: fun suite, but it hit during the Jewel strikes. Sholo

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Speaker 5: happy that we're going to get to see how May

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Speaker 2: So I think that's very excite.

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Speaker 1: In other news, ongoing series happening right now on hbon Max.

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Speaker 1: Common Side Effects created by Steve Helly, who was a

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Speaker 1: end veep Uh and Joseph Bennett, who also created Scavenger's Reign.

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Speaker 1: The whoa criminally criminally underrated animated series, only got one

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Speaker 2: One of the best shows ever made.

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Speaker 3: Just truly unique.

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Speaker 1: Show, I believe on Netflix now you can watch right now.

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Speaker 1: But the show is about the culture of an outlaw

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Speaker 1: psychedelic drug entrepreneur who is being chased by the Feds.

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Speaker 1: We were interested in guys like Terrence McKenna and Paul

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Speaker 3: It's really fun. The art style is kind of like.

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Speaker 3: It's really really fun. Well, we're off Thursday, but we'll

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Speaker 1: With a reaction to the long awaited Captain America Brave

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Speaker 1: We go into this film with a mixture of excitement

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Speaker 1: and dread, and we'll be talking about the Yellow Jacket

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Speaker 1: Season three, the premiere here it comes.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it good?

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 3: To watch it? To watch it?

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Speaker 2: We have no idea.

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Speaker 1: And then we'll be covering the finale of the excellent

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Speaker 1: Your Friendly Neighborhood spider Man with special guest show runner

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Speaker 1: Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 5: Our executive producers are Joe Alminique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 5: Part Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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