1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: you and Center. I can't believe that I'm actually getting 4 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: to say this because it's just so funny, but it's real. 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: The President of the United States elect, Donald Trump is 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: going to get a an apology from ABC News and 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: George Stepanopolis. On top of the fact they're now forced 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: to pay fifteen million dollars to settle a defamation lawsuit, 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: the fact Lady's singing, the pigs are flying, Hell's freezing over. 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: It is truly astonishing. 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 3: ABC News apologizing to Donald Trump and ABC News writing 12 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 3: a fifteen million dollar check to Trump's presidential library, all 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: to settle a defamation case because George Stephanopolis went on 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: National TV and defamed Donald Trump and they're writing a 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: check because of it. And if you never thought it 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: would happen, well it is. We are in a brave 17 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: and extraordinary new world. We're gonna break it down and 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: what it means also going to go back to the 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: amazing and really sad spectacle of leftist celebrating the cold 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: blooded murder of a healthcare CEO Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: aoc all gleefully celebrating it and sadly encouraging more. We're 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: going to break that down as well. 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So let's talk 69 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: about how all this started from the very beginning for 70 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: people that may not have been following this, because this 71 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: was something that was said by George Stepanopolos on ABC 72 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: News and they realize, I think pretty quick, Okay, we 73 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: screwed up here because Trump won. 74 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: So now we got to deal with the consequences of this. 75 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: I'm not sure they would have done it the same 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: way if we would have lost, but obviously ABC News 77 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: now saying yeah, all right, we're gonna admit that we 78 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: did something that was really stupid. 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: Well, this stems back to March of twenty twenty four, 80 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: and in particular March tenth on ABC News with George Stefanopolis, 81 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 3: and as part of this settlement, ABC News wrote a 82 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: committed to write a fifteen million dollar check a charitable 83 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: contribution to Trump's presidential library, and also to pay a 84 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 3: million dollars in Trump's lawyer's fees so, all told, sixteen 85 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 3: million dollars is what ABC is out of pocket. And 86 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: they also had to apologize. They had to issue a 87 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: statement of quote regret, and so they appended to the 88 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: story from the March tenth online article the following statement quote, 89 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 3: ABC News and George Stephanopolis regret statements regarding President Donald J. 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: Trump made during an interview by George Stefanopolis with representative 91 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 3: Nancy Mace on ABC's This Week on March tenth, twenty 92 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 3: twenty four. And so what were the statements that caused this? Well, 93 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: George Stefanopolis repeatedly said Trump was quote liable for rape 94 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: and was found liable for rape in the civil case 95 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 3: in New York. And Nancy Mace was was on with Stephanopoulos, 96 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 3: and and Stephanopolis played a clip of Mace discussing being 97 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: a victim of rape, and then Stephanophilis asked her, quote, 98 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: how do you square your endorsement of Donald Trump with 99 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: the testimony we just saw? Quote You've endorsed Donald Trump 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: for president. Judges and two separate juries have found him 101 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 3: liable for rape and for defaming the victim of that rape. 102 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: And he was referencing the lawsuit by Jene Carroll. Stephanopoulos 103 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: repeated that claim ten times. Ten times. He repeated that 104 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 3: the jury has determined that Trump was liable for rape. 105 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 3: What the jury in fact determined is that they found 106 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 3: that that he was not liable for rape, but rather 107 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: a separate crime under New York law called sexual and 108 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 3: Trump sued ABC News, and Trump sued Stephanopolis for Stephanopolis 109 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 3: repeatedly saying a jury had found he was liable for 110 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: rape when they explicitly found he was not liable for rape. 111 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, this settlement is 112 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 3: all about that. 113 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: That it is. 114 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 3: It is been black letter law for a long time 115 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: that when you falsely accused someone of a felony, that 116 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: that that is defamation. And ABC News just repeatedly said 117 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: he was liable for rape, liable for rape, that's what 118 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: the jury found. That's what the jury found. And there 119 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: was one minor problem. It wasn't true. And and so 120 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: you know, you mentioned they settled this because Trump won. 121 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: It's true that Trump won, and it's true they settled this, 122 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: but I guarantee you their lawyers were telling them, listen 123 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: when you say over and over again, a jury has 124 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 3: find found someone guilty of a felony and the jury 125 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 3: found the opposite. That's defamation. And you're gonna end up 126 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: writing a much bigger check if you don't settle this 127 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: this lawsuit. And and and it happened right after the 128 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: magistrate judge ordered both Trump and Stephanopolis on Friday to 129 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 3: sit for depositions next week, uh and and answer questions 130 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: under oath. And I think ABC realized they were going 131 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: to have to sit George Stephanopolis down, and Trump's lawyers 132 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 3: were going to get to ask him, Okay, did the 133 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: jury find him liable for rape? 134 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: Yes? 135 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 4: Or no? 136 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 3: And Stephanopolis would be forced to say no, did you 137 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: say that the jury found him liable for rape? And 138 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: Stephanopolis would have to be forced to say yes, did 139 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: you say ten separate times on National TV the jury 140 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: found him liable for rape? And Stephanopolis would grumble a 141 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 3: lot of times and be forced to say yes. And 142 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: here here's the interesting question there. There they were going 143 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: to ask him, did you know at the time that 144 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 3: you said ten separate times the jury found him liable 145 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: for rape that the jury explicitly had had found him 146 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: not liable for rape. And I don't know how Stephanopolis 147 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: would answer that. My guess is he'd be forced to 148 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: say yes. But he was either deliberately lying or he 149 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: was utterly indifferent to what the truth or falsity of 150 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: what he was saying is. Either way, it is a 151 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: real problem. And I think they looked at that and 152 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: they probably had started prepping him for that deposition and 153 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: realize there is no good answer for him to give, 154 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: because look, they just hate Trump and so they were 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: happy to say it. It sounds much more sensationialistic to 156 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: say that, and truth be damned. I think that's why 157 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: they ended up writing the check. 158 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: So can we just talk about the humor of this 159 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: for a second. The fact that ABC News is going 160 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 2: to have to write a check for fifteen million dollars 161 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: to the Trump Presidential Library, Like, do you name part 162 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: of the library the ABC Settlement Center. 163 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is amazing, It is truly astonishing. 164 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 3: And by the way, there's some lefty voices on Twitter saying, oh, 165 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: free speech is dead. Look, you need to understand, defamation 166 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: has always been part of free speech. You have a 167 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: right to speak freely, but you don't have a right 168 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: to defame someone. You don't have a right to say 169 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 3: something that is deliberately false and deliberately defamatory. And it 170 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 3: has always been the case that you can be held 171 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: liable for slander or libel. Slander is saying it saying 172 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: it orally. Libel is saying it and writing. They're both 173 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 3: species of defamation if you deliberately say something false that 174 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: is harmful to the character. But other and particularly when 175 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: you're a news organization, there's an expectation that you have 176 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: some modicum of integrity, some standards, and I think in 177 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 3: this case, ABC realized they couldn't defend what they've done. 178 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 2: So let's talk about this administration coming in January twentieth. 179 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: And look, we know that there was a lot of 180 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: reporting that was on the term administration back in sixteen 181 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: that was a lie. Russia collusion was a great example 182 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: of that. And then we know that the media lied 183 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: to us about, for example, Hunter Biden's laptop that was 184 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: a lie, And there was a lot of things said 185 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: that we're not true about people in and around Trump. 186 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: Is this a. 187 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: Reminder, now that we've learned to fight it maybe a 188 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: little bit differently, that we understand the court system can 189 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: be used to hold the media accountable when they lie 190 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 2: about people in the trum administration. Is this something that 191 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: actually could change the game a little bit. 192 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 3: Perhaps, Look, this is a situation where it was clear 193 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: and objective that the what ABC said was wrong, that 194 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: it was false, that that that ABC repeatedly said a 195 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: jury had found them liable for rape, and that was 196 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 3: explicitly the opposite of what they've done. I will say, 197 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: most of the examples you've given, where the media is 198 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 3: saying horrible things about Trump over and over and over again, 199 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 3: it's much harder to prove defamation. It's harder to prove 200 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: that it's objectively false. Like on Russia, Russia, Russia, they 201 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: will say, well, look, we were just reporting what the 202 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: allegations were. We were reporting what Muller said, we were 203 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: reporting what so and so said. You know, they can 204 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: hide behind he said. 205 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 4: She said. 206 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 3: In this instance, what gave them particular exposure is there 207 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: was a jury verdict and ABC simply reported it wrong 208 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 3: and did so somebody knew, whether stuff Stephanopoulos knew or not, 209 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: somebody knew. And I will say it is harder to 210 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 3: win a defamation case if you're Donald Trump, or if 211 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: you're any public figure, because the Supreme Court the standard 212 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: for defamation. They made it much harder for a public 213 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: figure to win a defamation case. And there's a landmark 214 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: decision from the Supreme Court called New York Times versus Sullivan. 215 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: It was nineteen sixty four, and what the court concluded 216 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: is that you have to demonstrate quote actual malice before 217 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: you can find defamation if it's against a public figure. 218 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: And here's the quote from the Supreme Court quote. The 219 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: constitutional guarantees require, we think a federal rule that prohibits 220 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: a public official from recovering damages for a defamatory falsehood 221 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: related to his official conduct unless he proves that the 222 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: statement was made with quote actual malice, that is, with 223 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: knowledge that it was false, or with reckless disregard of 224 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: whether it was false or not. Now that's a very 225 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: high standard to prove. And so as a general matter, 226 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 3: if someone's a public figure, by the way, if someone 227 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,479 Speaker 3: is not a public figure, someone's an ordinary citizen, defamation 228 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 3: is much easier to prove. You don't have to prove 229 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: actual malice. But if you are a public figure, and 230 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 3: the President of the United States is the quintessential public figure, 231 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: then you've got to meet that higher threshold. Now, there 232 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: are at least two arguments that Trump's legal team would make. 233 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: One was, in this case, the defamation was not relating 234 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 3: to his official conduct. He was not president of the 235 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 3: United States at the time the interaction with Jean Carroll 236 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 3: did or did not occur, and so it was not 237 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 3: a defamatory falsehood related to his official conduct, but rather 238 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 3: his personal life before he was president of the United States. 239 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 3: So that would certainly be what Trump's lawyers would argue 240 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: is that the New York Times versus Sullivan stand doesn't apply. 241 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: But secondly, even if you had to demonstrate actual malice. 242 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: Notice a second ago, when I was saying, when they 243 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 3: were prepping Stephanopolis for his deposition, they would have to 244 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: walk through did he know. 245 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: It was false? 246 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: Well, i't. I didn't have in front of me the standard. 247 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 3: But it turns out I was quoting the standard back 248 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 3: at you. Let me read it again. The Supreme Court 249 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 3: defined actual malice as quote that is, with knowledge that 250 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: it was false, or with reckless disregard of whether it 251 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: was false or not. So one or the two you've 252 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 3: got to demonstrate for actual malice. And the problem I 253 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: think that that ABC had is I think it was 254 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: very clear that they did it with actual malice. I 255 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: think there was certainly a producer or somebody knew for 256 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 3: a fact it was false to say he'd been found 257 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 3: liable for rape. It wouldn't surprise me if a producer 258 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: had told Stephanopolis, don't say liable for rape, And it 259 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me if Stephanopolis decided how I'm going to 260 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: say it anyway. It's close enough for government work, and 261 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 3: it's much more sensationalistic than to report accurately. And I 262 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: think when they found themselves trying to defend the lawsuit, 263 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: that it was going to be clear that they either 264 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 3: knew what they were saying were false, or at a 265 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: very minimum, they were engaged in reckless disregard of whether 266 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 3: it was true or false. And so they were going 267 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: to get popped and they were going to lose. And 268 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: that's why they're apologizing, that's why they're writing a big, 269 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 3: big check. 270 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 2: And it also made Stepanoplis very vulnerable, right. I think 271 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: that was part of his preserving their anchor here, because 272 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: if they went into a deposition and they really got 273 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: to rough him up, that would hurt his brand, and 274 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: that would hurt the brand of ABC. I think as well, 275 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: because they still want you to believe that he is 276 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: the most non biased, hardcore news guy at ABC News. 277 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: Well, that's right, and look, jerk, George Stephanie worked in 278 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: the Clinton white House. He was a Democrat operative for 279 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: years before he became an ABC journalist, And I have 280 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: no doubt that there were going to be lots of 281 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: questions from Trump lawyers about, Okay, mister Stephanopolis, what are 282 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: your communications with Democrats, what are your communications with the 283 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: White House? What are your communications with Joe Biden, Kamala Harris? 284 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: To what extent are you acting as as a Democrat 285 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: attack dog? And it may well be I don't know 286 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: this to be the case. I'm sure they were going 287 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: to ask those questions, and I suspect that ABC was 288 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: very nervous about what kind of answer Stephanopolis would give 289 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: under oath and potentially vulnerable and for the world to 290 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: know the frequency with which he is explicitly reading the 291 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: talking points from the Democrat Party. 292 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: One thing's for sure. 293 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: When the library opens up, it's going to be really 294 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: fun to see how they make sure that everyone going 295 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: through the library knows that this part of the library 296 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: is brought to you by ABC News and to Stepanopolis. 297 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: I cannot wait to see the trolling there because I 298 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 2: don't believe that Donald Trump is going to let that 299 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: opportunity pass. 300 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: I just I don't believe it. It's going to be 301 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: really fun to see what happens. 302 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: I think that is a fair prediction. I would not 303 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: wager on the other side of you on that one. 304 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: I want to move on to this other big shocking story, 305 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: and it is the normalization of kill your political enemy, 306 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: kill anybody that you don't like, that you think is evil, 307 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: justify it publicly so we can normalize it. We've seen 308 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: this with the assassination attempts on Donald Trump. We have 309 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: now seen this turn really ugly when it comes to 310 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: the murder of this CEO of New York City, the 311 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: cold blooded murder of this CEO, and people have turned 312 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: him into some sort of hero. We now have elected officials, Senator, 313 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,119 Speaker 2: some that you serve with getting in on this, allowing 314 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: for this almost justification of well, we understand why people 315 00:16:59,280 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: would want to do that. 316 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: Well. 317 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 3: And we did an entire podcast on this last week 318 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 3: last Wednesday at Courge. You go back and listen to it, 319 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: because I really think what is happening here. It is 320 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: dangerous and it is grotesque. This healthcare CEO was gunned 321 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: down in broad daylight in New York City and this 322 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: deranged killer walked up and shot him multiple times in 323 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: the back. After a two day man hunt, he was 324 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 3: caught and the left lost their mind. They have lionized 325 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 3: him because and we did a deep dive, this is 326 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 3: because of the cultural Marxism. This is because their ideology 327 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 3: says that that anytime the quote oppressor engages in violence 328 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: or rather the quote victim engages in violence against the 329 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: quote oppressor, that that violence is justified and to be celebrated. 330 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 3: And we went through the number of leftists, including Taylor Lorenz, 331 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: a you know, a quote unquote journalist for both the 332 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 3: Washington Post and the New York Times, who described how 333 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: she felt joy that was her term, joy at this 334 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 3: guy being murdered. 335 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: It's sick. And we talked about as. 336 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: Well, how the view Joy Bihar unloaded on me because 337 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 3: I pointed out that these were left as a leftists 338 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 3: just celebrating cold blooded murder, and she said, it's not leftists, 339 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: it's not us at all. Well, Joy Bihar, guess what 340 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 3: your message didn't get to Bernie Sanders. Your message didn't 341 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 3: get to AOC, your message didn't get to Elizabeth Warren 342 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: because all of them in the last few days have 343 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: been on TV justifying, rationalizing, giving excuses for the cold 344 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 3: blooded murder. I want you to listen to this montage 345 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: of comments from them, and then we're going to talk 346 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: about it more. 347 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 4: And this is not to say that an act of 348 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 4: violence is justified, but I think for anyone who is 349 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: confused or shocked or appalled, they need to understand that 350 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 4: people interpret and fee and experience denied claims as an 351 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: act of violence against them. People go homeless over the 352 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 4: financial devastation of a diagnosis that doesn't get addressed, or 353 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 4: you know, the amount that they're going to have to 354 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: cover with a surprise bill and things like that. And 355 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 4: when we kind of talk about how systems are violent 356 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 4: in this country in this passive way, our privatized healthcare 357 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 4: system is like that for a huge amount of American Yeah. 358 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 5: And we'll say it over and over. Violence is never 359 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 5: the answer. This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed 360 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 5: the CEO of United Health that you can only push 361 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 5: people so far and then they start to take matters 362 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 5: in their own hands. 363 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, Elizabeth Warren obviously understands killing again and murder and 364 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 6: shooting somebody in the back is totally unacceptable. But what 365 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 6: I think has happened in the last few month once 366 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 6: is that what you have seen rising up is people's 367 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 6: anger at a health insurance industry which denies people the 368 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 6: healthchaed that they desperately need while they make billions and 369 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 6: billions of dollars in profit. 370 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: Anytime you say something's terrible, but it means you're saying, 371 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: but we understand it. It's okay, we get it, we 372 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,239 Speaker 2: comprehend it. We see how you got from point AT 373 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: to point B. We have video of a cod blooded 374 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: murderer who goes up and assassinates an individual, and they're 375 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: justifying the understanding of why he should be, why he 376 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: and others are angry at all these healthcare se years. 377 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: This is dehumanizing people who you don't like, the same 378 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: way they've done it with Trump. 379 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: It is so dangerous. 380 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 3: Look at it's exactly the same as with Trump. It's 381 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: exactly the same as these leftists have done with Amas 382 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 3: on October seventh, where they'll all say in obligatory violence 383 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: is wrong, but then they immediately start justifying the violence. 384 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: And they immediately say, well, yes, the rape and murder 385 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 3: of twelve hundred Israeli. 386 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: Said that's wrong. 387 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: But but the Palestinians are oppressed, and we should celebrate 388 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 3: the Palestinians and is it wonderful? 389 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: And then that's what the leftists do. You know, yes, yes. 390 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 3: Yes, murdering the guy was wrong, I suppose, But you 391 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: know what, every healthcare ceo needs to be murdered, Every 392 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 3: ceo needs to be murdered, and they immediately their ideology 393 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 3: goes to celebrating violence. And let me just once, I 394 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 3: would like to see someone on the left be clear 395 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 3: and unequivocal that violence is wrong, period the end. This 396 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: murder was grotesque, it was evil, It was wrong. There 397 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 3: is no justification for it whatsoever. Even if your political 398 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: ideology is you've decided you hate this healthcare ceo that 399 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 3: you've never met. You don't know what he's done, you 400 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: don't know anything about him other than that he was 401 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 3: the CEO of a healthcare company. And because because your 402 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 3: ideology is so railing against capitalism, you think murder is 403 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: a great thing. It's it's as I said, it's the same. 404 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: These are the same people who buy coffee cups that say, 405 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: you know, I wish wish the guy in Butler, Pennsylvania 406 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 3: hadn't missed because violence is okay to them. These are 407 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 3: the same people that's celebrated the Black Lives Matter ANTIFA riots. 408 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: This is this is Kamala Harris raising money to bail 409 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: people out of jail who are violent rioters. Because for 410 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: today's radical left, the ends justify the means, and violence 411 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: is okay. And I want to be absolutely clear, violence 412 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 3: is never okay, whether I agree with your ideology or not. 413 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 3: Nobody should engage in violence against anyone else and if 414 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 3: you do, if you engage in violence, you should face 415 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: serious consequences. 416 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: How much do you worry about this becoming normalized? I mean, 417 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: we got over as Donald trump first assassination incredibly quick. 418 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 2: It was like, okay, it happened, but he's so live, what's. 419 00:22:59,040 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: Immediately move on? 420 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: And then we have another attempted assassination on him down 421 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: at his golf course and be like, well, I mean 422 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: it's Donald Trump. You kind of gotta expect this now. 423 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: That was the demeanor of many on the left. And 424 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: then there was part of the left that is exactly 425 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: as you described it, they were like, well, the guy 426 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: should have not missed, and it was almost anger at 427 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: the at the shooters. I think that's the most shocking 428 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: part to me is we are dehumanizing people in a 429 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: way that is now putting other people lives at risk. 430 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 3: Well, and and for too many on the left, politics 431 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 3: is everything. It is life and death is identity. I mean, 432 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: I mean, look, I get to say politics is very 433 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: different than twelve years ago when I first got elected. 434 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: It's so nasty and personal. You know, we used to 435 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: be able to disagree without without hating each other, without 436 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: demonizing each other, with without cheering at at violence and 437 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: the murder of those you may disagree with. And unfortunately, 438 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: I don't see a whole lot of public democrats speaking 439 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: out against this. 440 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 7: It. 441 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 3: I wish we had more that had the courage to 442 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: speak out and say this is unequivocally wrong. Look, well 443 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 3: let's talk this strange killer. His lawyers are being paid 444 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 3: for by leftists who are celebrating what he did. 445 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the part I think that when I 446 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: look at this, I'm like, if you said this ten 447 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: years ago, fifteen years ago, you'd probably have people calling 448 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: for you to resign of all the people we just paid. 449 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: That's not happening. 450 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: There would have been like reporters saying, hey, like you 451 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: need to answer for this these you know, these statements 452 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: that you made, do you want to clarify them or 453 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 2: clean them up. There's none of that this time. 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And there was 516 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: a very interesting conversation that took place, and people even 517 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: on the left. 518 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: Like, is this aha moment? 519 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 2: And I laughed because it's something that you actually said 520 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: on this show a couple of years ago. 521 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: Jessica Tarlove and Katie Kuric. 522 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 2: We're talking about GOP governors sending illegal immigrants to other 523 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: parts of the country from border states, and I want 524 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: to play this clip for people's and they specifically, we're 525 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: talking about Rod DeSantis in Florida, Greg Abbott in Texas, 526 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: and this is what they said. 527 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: In reaction on. 528 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 8: The immigration front, there was a tendency amongst Democrats, and 529 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 8: especially Democrats were discussing the issues of people who do 530 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 8: interviews or are part of the media to minimize it 531 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 8: over the first two and a half years when there 532 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 8: were a lot of people coming in here, and I 533 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 8: thought that it was a stunt. You know, when they 534 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 8: started bussing migrants they go to markets, vineyards. Yeah, it 535 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 8: was the smartest thing they ever did. 536 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 7: Well. It's interesting because I have a friend who lives 537 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 7: in Florida, and I said, what did you think of 538 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 7: of Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott taking some of these 539 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 7: immigrants and moving them to northern states? And she said, 540 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 7: I thought it was great because nobody really was paying 541 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 7: attention before that. And I do think that this untold 542 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 7: story was the strain on social services and communities, particularly 543 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 7: along the border. This influx huge influx of immigrants was 544 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 7: having and I think the mainstream media, however you define 545 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 7: that these days, kind of ignored that story to its peril. 546 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: I mean, wow, right, Like, at least they're figuring it out. 547 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: I don't want to say that all the media is 548 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: figuring it out, but it is pretty funny they figured out. 549 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: The only problem is they were just a couple of 550 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: years too late. 551 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, look at striking to hear Kittie Kurk admitting that now, 552 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: as you know, this was an idea that I suggested 553 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: three years ago. In October of twenty twenty one, I 554 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 3: introduced a bill called the Surge Act. And the Surge 555 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 3: Act was designed to create thirteen new ports of entry 556 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 3: to send illegal immigrants. And here's here's what my press 557 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 3: really said at the time. If Washington Democrats had to 558 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: endure even a fraction of the suffering South Texas families, farmers, ranchers, 559 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: and small businesses have had to face, our nation's immigration 560 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 3: laws would be in force. The wall would be built 561 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 3: and remain in Mexico. Policy would be implemented. And so 562 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 3: I introduced legislation to change the points of entry and 563 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 3: add thirteen new places block island Rhode Island, Greenwich, Connecticut, 564 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 3: Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, Cambridge, Massachusetts, Governor's Island, New York, Rehobeth Beach, Delaware, Nantucket, Massachusetts, Newport, 565 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 3: Rhode Island, Scarsdale, New York, Palo Alto, California, Yuntville, California, 566 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 3: Saint Helena, California, and North Hero, Vermont, which is where 567 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders vacations. And the idea was all the places 568 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 3: where rich liberals sit and sip chardonnay and look down 569 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: on people concerned about the open borders. And it was 570 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 3: really striking. At the time I introduced this legislation, the 571 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 3: leftist media went crazy, and in fact, the county executive 572 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 3: at Martha's Vineyard attacked me, attacked me by name, and 573 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 3: he said Cruise doesn't understand immigration, said we and Martha's 574 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: Vineyard would welcome illegal immigrants. Well, several months later, Ron 575 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: de Santis and Greg Abbott took me up on what 576 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 3: I had suggested, and they did exactly that. They sent 577 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: fifty illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard, and of course that 578 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: same county executive within twenty four hours declared an emergency 579 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 3: and ended up deporting the fifty who had been sent. 580 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you we actually covered this on Verdict 581 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: several years ago, So I want you to play an 582 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 3: old segment from Verdict. This is actually pre pre the 583 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: great Ben Ferguson. This is back when when Michael Noles 584 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 3: and I were doing it. 585 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 2: Our good Ford. Yeah, yes, the voice is about to 586 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: change a little bit, right. 587 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: But this is us talking about it three years ago, 588 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: and it had a bit of foreshadowing. 589 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: So give a listen. 590 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 9: They've just sent airplanes full of illegal aliens to Martha's vineyard. 591 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 9: And I cheered when I saw the headline, and then 592 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 9: I had to think, you know, there's a certain podcast 593 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 9: hosted by a certain senator from Texas that has been 594 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 9: calling exactly for that for many weeks now, and I 595 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 9: just can't help but wonder if that may have had 596 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 9: some effect on this policy going into effect. 597 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 3: I was thrilled when the governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, 598 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 3: took me up on the idea and began sending illegal immigrants, 599 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: first to d c, then to New York, then to Chicago. 600 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: It's had a fantastic event as these democratic mayors have 601 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: lost their minds and declared national emergencies. The mayor of 602 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: d C declared a national emergency or a city emergency 603 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 3: because six thousand illegal immigrants were sent to d C. 604 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 3: Of course, we've had since Joe Biden became president. We 605 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 3: have had four point two million illegal immigrants cross illegally 606 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 3: with Biden as president. 607 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 9: It is horrific. That's a crazy number. Four point two million. 608 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 9: That is a crazy number. It is larger than many 609 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 9: of the states of our union. I mean four point 610 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 9: two million since Joe Biden put his hand on the 611 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 9: Bible and took the oath of office. That's what's come 612 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 9: and it continues to get worse. And what is amazing 613 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 9: about when red state governors, first Texas now Florida are 614 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 9: shipping to blue strongholds is the Democrats, who talk a 615 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 9: good game immediately flipped tailed. So I want to give 616 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 9: you a quote on the from Martha's Vineyard. When I 617 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 9: introduced the legislation, you had Democrats, democrats and the House 618 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 9: of Representatives slamm me. But I want to read from 619 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 9: the county commissioner of Martha's Vineyard, Keith Chattenover, And here's 620 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 9: the quote he said about my legislation. I would love 621 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 9: to see Martha's Vineyard become a haven for new immigrants 622 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 9: in the country. But Senator Cruz has no idea what 623 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 9: he's talking about regarding a border crisis. He went on 624 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 9: to say, immigrants make our country stronger, as evidence by 625 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 9: immigration from Brazil and other countries to the vineyard. And 626 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 9: he is trying to whip up racial anxieties for political gain, 627 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 9: which is essentially the entire GOP platform. Anyhow, that's before 628 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 9: they arrived. I want to see if after two, three, four, five, 629 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 9: six ' ten, one hundred planeloads or bus loads, if 630 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 9: the county commissioner has the same view. 631 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 2: Three years ago you said that, Senator, and now we're 632 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: seeing that Democrats are actually saying, man, this is really effective, 633 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: Like this was really really effective. You did this as 634 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 2: stopped the Surge Act in October twenty twenty one. 635 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 3: And by the way, three years ago, notice that number 636 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 3: four point two million illegal immigrants were now over twelve million. 637 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: What has happened at our southern border is an experiment 638 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 3: in radicalism that has never been tried in the United 639 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: States of America. Our country is struggling the suffering that 640 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: has occurred, and I will say the actual sending of 641 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 3: planeloads and bus loads of illegal immigrants to Blue strongholds. 642 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: It showed the complete and utter hypocrisy as every Democrat mayor, 643 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 3: every Democrat governor, every Democrat county executive completely demonstrated everything 644 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 3: they'd been saying was a lie, and it broke through 645 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 3: the media freeze out in a way nothing else did. 646 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 3: I think Katie Kirk's right that that single action of 647 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 3: demonstrating Democrat hypocrisy on this issue could well have decided 648 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 3: the presidential election last month. 649 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: Now, I'll say this job well done. Center. 650 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: That was something you said way beforehand, and it clearly 651 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 2: they're even admitting now had a massive impact on the 652 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: outcome of this election. Don't forget we did the show Monday, 653 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: Wednesday and Friday. Hit that subscribe auto download button so 654 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 2: that you can always make sure you get every episode. 655 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: Also make sure you write us a five star review 656 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: to help us grow so we can reach new people 657 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: that may not have listened to the show yet. And 658 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 2: on those in between days, grab my show the Ben 659 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: Ferguson podcasts as well. 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