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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number three and

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Speaker 1: today we're chatting late season deer hunting with Brett Joy

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Speaker 1: and we're talking big Woods bucks and how to kill

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Speaker 1: a buck in December. All right, welcome to the Wired

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. Today. As

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Speaker 1: I just mentioned, we are focused on late season deer hunting.

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Speaker 1: I've got a great guest for you today. This is

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Speaker 1: Brett Joy. He's been on the show a couple of

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Speaker 1: times on ret Fresh Radio and several years of Go

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Speaker 1: came on to talk to us about his unique approach

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Speaker 1: to hunting bucks in the Northeast. He hunts in New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire and some other areas in the region, but has

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Speaker 1: also traveled across the Midwest and West chasing white tails

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Speaker 1: all over the place. So he's got a very diverse

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Speaker 1: um set of experiences to pull from and he gets

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Speaker 1: the job done. He's killed a lot of really nice

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Speaker 1: mature bucks, but he just recently killed an absolute unbelievable

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Speaker 1: buck in December in the mountains of New Hampshire, deep

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Speaker 1: deep snow, brutal conditions, and he got it done. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to see what we could learn from this experience,

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Speaker 1: what we could learn from that story that might help

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Speaker 1: all of us with our own hunts here in the

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Speaker 1: late season. So we're gonna break down that story in detail,

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Speaker 1: and then along the way, I'm going to kind of

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Speaker 1: pick at him to try to learn some bigger, higher

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Speaker 1: picture lessons. We're gonna talk through ideas that can help

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Speaker 1: you on public land. We're gonna talk through ideas that

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Speaker 1: can help you find deer in bigwood situations. But we'll

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Speaker 1: also look at different concepts and ideas that will apply

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Speaker 1: to you know, agg Land, how you might be able

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Speaker 1: to have success in the late season. You know, in

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Speaker 1: the Midwest or the South. There's somewhere else too. So

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Speaker 1: we cover a lot on the tactical side. And then also,

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Speaker 1: and I found this particularly interesting, we spent some time

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Speaker 1: talking about the mental side of hunting in the late season. Right,

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Speaker 1: bit glum. You're struggling. One am I ever going to

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Speaker 1: kill anything? This year. Am I gonna have an empty

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Speaker 1: leave you filling a little bit rough. So we talked

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Speaker 1: about how to deal with that, how to push on

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Speaker 1: we discussed today. It's a lot of fun. I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: Brett's conversation and his story and his experience, and I

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Speaker 1: think you will too. Al Right back with me now

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Speaker 1: for his second appearance on the regular wire Hunt podcast

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Speaker 1: and now multiple times on radio, We've got Brett Joy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me again. Brett, Well, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me Arc. I'm I'm glad you had me back. Well,

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Speaker 1: you keep on putting big deer on the ground and

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Speaker 1: it keeps on catching my attentions. So you're doing something right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you congratulations on this recent deer.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So it actually been a little bit

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Speaker 1: since since I'm connected with a big one up and

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Speaker 1: after some you know, shout pretty good deer in the past,

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Speaker 1: and I'm kind of getting really picky and trying to

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Speaker 1: hunt the oldest deer I can find. And when you

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Speaker 1: do that and you're one after one to know, particularly animals,

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Speaker 1: sometimes doesn't happen for every year, and it's all you

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Speaker 1: deal with this one. It's been I think since two

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Speaker 1: sixteen song since I shot a buck, so three years coming. Well.

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Speaker 1: I can certainly relate to that whole transition to getting

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Speaker 1: because the last few years I've had I've had some

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Speaker 1: I keep on bouncing back and forth with am I crazy?

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Speaker 1: Am I stupid? Or is this is this worth it? Um? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: They don't they don't care if they eat at tag

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Speaker 1: And we should all, you know, encourage each other when

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Speaker 1: hunt your own hunt. That's what I've been telling myself,

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Speaker 1: and not worrying about what other people think or what

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Speaker 1: makes you happy and it's legal, do it. Absolutely. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't agree more. I'm hoping that I'm gonna get some

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Speaker 1: me because you've been after one deer for a while

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Speaker 1: and you got him finally. I've been after one deer

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Speaker 1: if there's anything you can pass along, or if you

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Speaker 1: can send the lucky pixie dust or something through the air,

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Speaker 1: waves to help me do the same thing. I would

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Speaker 1: appreciate that very much. Well, it's funny you said that

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Speaker 1: because the week ago looking from the luck you had

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Speaker 1: last year, because I haven't had much go right now

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Speaker 1: that's so it is. You know, I can you can

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Speaker 1: it seems like you can't not shoot a big deer,

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Speaker 1: and then it seems like you can't do anything right

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Speaker 1: and and you know, being disciplined and persistent, and just

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Speaker 1: sometimes it happens and some time it doesn't. H I

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Speaker 1: think if it happened and it was predictable every time,

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Speaker 1: least it's challenging, and it wouldn't have the same a

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Speaker 1: absolutely not. So so okay, we should just get into

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Speaker 1: this story of this year's long journey. Um, But I

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Speaker 1: But I also think we can use this story as

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Speaker 1: it's almost a template to talk about how to kill

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Speaker 1: an incredible deer in New Hampshire in a relatively unique

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Speaker 1: what other things do we think about during December? How

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Speaker 1: sounds like a plan? Cool? All right? Well, then take

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Speaker 1: how you're thinking about running those cameras to help you

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Speaker 1: did your process look like? Yeah, it's extremely intimidating. Actually, um,

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Speaker 1: in that area as well. But like I said, it

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00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,120
Speaker 1: was just a situation and really couldn't get into hunt

433
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 1: this area after. I'd say I think it was probably

434
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: November like twentieth or nine twentieth something like that was

435
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: the day. So um, I've found that in this and

436
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 1: a lot of the big woods still later in New

437
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: England particular, later November is really good and it seems

438
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: that's when the biggest deer are moving in daylight, um,

439
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: the most frequently covering the most ground, and you're seeing

440
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: them still in very late November. They're still kind of

441
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: doing ruddy kind of things. You're still seeing them. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely,

442
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: I actually think that, I well, I do have some

443
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: data back it up, but my belief is that are

444
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: peep reading isn't until around November nineteen, so it's gonna

445
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: push kind of shift everything back a week compared to

446
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: maybe the Midwest or so about a week, maybe less

447
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: a week, but it's later. And I think that because

448
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: of just the way that um the population dynamic is

449
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: here in the habitat and how vast and big it is,

450
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 1: that UM, these dear continue to look because it's not

451
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: like they can check every you know, dough group in

452
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: a in a in the coreer home range and maybe

453
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: a morning or a day. They make multiple day loops

454
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: and take them a week to check you know, the

455
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: whole mountain range or the whole swamp bottom or whatever.

456
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: It's very big. So I think that they continue to

457
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: check these dough groups in a December UM, so it

458
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: kind of draws the run out a lot longer, I think.

459
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: And it's just a theory, but I mean, there's not

460
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 1: It's tough to say for sure, because we don't really

461
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: have any radio call our stuff on these bucks and

462
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: there just aren't many of them at Deer densities aren't high,

463
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: so it's you know, it's just my opinion and my theory,

464
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: I guess we could say. But yeah, I definitely see

465
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: uh running activity well into November, okay, and and so

466
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: November twenty hits and you're snowed out and that basically

467
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: ended your hunt for those deer then at that point, yeah, yeah,

468
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty much what happened. I did get in, um

469
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: and did some tracking because you know, you can track

470
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: and you're still moving and trying to sit still. Um.

471
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: And I did learn a little bit more about the area.

472
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that I like to do.

473
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm not a a huge tracker, although we'll get to

474
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: a little that's a big part of the story. UM.

475
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: But UM, I do think it's extremely valuable tool to

476
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: learn about deer, especially if you can identify it that

477
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, you're following the buck that you want to

478
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: punt or one of the bucks you want to hunt.

479
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: You can learn in a day what might take to

480
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: two years to learn to trial. Cameras are observation, so

481
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: it's whenever you have the tracking snow um. I think

482
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: for the most part, you take the opportunity to follow it. Um. Yeah.

483
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: And not only that, it's a great opportunity actually kill

484
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 1: that deer if you can get you know, the circumstances

485
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 1: roots for you. So so I guess I'll wait until

486
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: we get to the next uh the next year to

487
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: to learn how you use that then yep. So so

488
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 1: this year, um, both as far as I knew, both

489
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: those the year I thought made it through the winner again,

490
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: um the buck guy. The original buck I was after,

491
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: I think would have been nine or ten this year.

492
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 1: In this buck, I think it's seven or eight. So

493
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 1: they were like growing at the top. Um. The older

494
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: one didn't show up at all. Um, and so after

495
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: pretty much in September, I figured he died. Over the winter.

496
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: We had a situation last year, right, no man's crop. Um.

497
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: We had like I said, early early snow, deep snow

498
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: and extremely cold temperatures. So I really think a lot

499
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: of the bucks went into last winter in really rough shape.

500
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: And I think it took a toll on a bunch

501
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: when I think bunch died um, and I actually think

502
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: it affected there a health even into this year. But um,

503
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: so anyway, I believe that buck died, So really now

504
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: just end up killing is kind of at the top

505
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: of my list, and He's kind of the only one

506
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: in the area that I'm really interesting in killing. There's

507
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: a hartly good deer, but nothing like nothing of this magnitude.

508
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: And you know, it's seven eight year old bucks um

509
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: in a really special deer for for the Hampshire. So

510
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: we didn't really get many pictures of him early at all,

511
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: which kind of worried me. UM. But then he started

512
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: showing up. I think we ended up checking a camera

513
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: that we had left like for a long time, so

514
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: we actually had him in velvet, but we didn't know

515
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: about it until even he October. We ended up checking

516
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: this camera, so he was around UM. But then he

517
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: seemed to to be around more than years prior UM

518
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: and he was right in like the ear. I was

519
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: hoped he would be you know that that's set up

520
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: good for a November hunt and waiting for him to

521
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, cruise that particular trail again. UM. And I

522
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: really just didn't even bother hunting him until November, just

523
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 1: because I knew in years past he was so sporadic

524
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: all over the place and you know, no daylight. Really,

525
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I got a daylight picture that buck

526
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: Hard one, and so I think maybe I got Oh man,

527
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I got like three or four ever

528
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: of that buck. Um yeah, in four years. So when

529
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: you're all uh mid mid November at early December. So

530
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: and that was the time for him it was gonna happen.

531
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: And I didn't think it was worth it even going

532
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: in there and trying to haut that deer in kiln.

533
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: So it basically took November through or so off, um

534
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: tunt that deer. And my plan was just to sit

535
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: on that that trail or that that funnel opened, whatever

536
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: you wanna call it. Basically, the topography push these deer

537
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: off this mountain, this mountainous area into this bottom this

538
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: particular spot. Can you better describe just what that topography

539
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: feature was that just kind of that scene a little

540
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: bit more so it's it's because it's not I wanna

541
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: it's it's it's actually a little bit difficult to describe because, um,

542
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: it's not what you'd really think, Like I haven't if

543
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: I were to look at a map, I wouldn't look

544
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: at that that area and think, oh, that's a major

545
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: pinch pointer funnel. I wouldn't it just kind of, um,

546
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: I think the quickest way between point a point be.

547
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: Really it's basically like a point on I guess a

548
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: mountain where the and the deer I know that. So

549
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: basically I think it really is driven groups, and in

550
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: particular dog groups that you know, live high up in

551
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: the mountains and that's their range, and there's particularly dough

552
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: groups down on the bottom. It doesn't seem like it's

553
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: a whole lot in between for the most part um,

554
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: So I think that basically it's the quickest point between

555
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: A and B. So I don't even know that i'd

556
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: call it a topography thing. Maybe that trail is there

557
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: because it's kind of dumps off the mountain right there.

558
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of a point um that leads I guess

559
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: directly to where they want to go. So this wasn't

560
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: in it. This is why I told you, like, I

561
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: didn't really pay much attention to the spot until we

562
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: ended up throwing a camera up there and getting these pictures.

563
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: Then I kind of opened my eyes and it started

564
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: to make a little bit of sense. But I couldn't

565
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: look at a topo map or an aero photo and

566
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: say that's gonna be a good spot. It wasn't like that.

567
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: It was something that you know, we had to learn

568
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: through you know, two or three years of experience and

569
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: running cameras to identify this particular area. And it's like

570
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: I said, when you're sitting there, you're like, this is

571
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: kind of it doesn't feel like offer it's going to happen.

572
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: It was, it was, but we had you know, trail

573
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: camera dad at the backup that it was so um

574
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: So this year I took that time off. I got

575
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: to that that spot on you know, in the dark

576
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: on November sixte. I pulled the card out of the

577
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: camera that I had there, and he had been there

578
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: a few times in that crossing already in earlier November

579
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: in uh, you know, after dark. But that was good,

580
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: that's what he'd done in the past. And then like

581
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, I get him in daylight mid till late November.

582
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: So that was what I was banking on. So I

583
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: kind of the stand, got ready and popped the card

584
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: and my reader and he had been there, walked right

585
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: by that stand at twenty yards uh the day before

586
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: at noon. So yeah, the opportunities that there are few

587
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: and far between. You might get an opportunity like that

588
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 1: every year or two. So I'll hear. I am at

589
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: the beginning of my vacation, thinking I missed the opportunity already.

590
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: That's it's you know, that was it. That's what I

591
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: was banking on. And he did it a day early,

592
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: and I miscalculated the dates because it was a little

593
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: later in the month or even at the early December.

594
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: So I was, you know, really bumped kind of like,

595
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I guess I'm gonna hope

596
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: he does it again. So I hunted him for I

597
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: had to actually had a um, I got in the family,

598
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: so I couldn't hunt one of the days. But I

599
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: hunted I think seventy seven hours dark to dark, so

600
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: seven eleven hour days, and that one of two stands

601
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: up hanging on the wim, but basically hunting the same

602
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: trail in the same spot, and uh did not see him.

603
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: Um I passed I think three other bucks, one nice,

604
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, four year old that just really wasn't what

605
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 1: I was looking for. And I made a three year

606
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: old I think a year and a half, so seventy seven.

607
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good indication for people that are trying

608
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: to get a feel for how it is to hunt

609
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: in the big Woods. Is he is sitting the stand

610
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: for seventy seven straight hours during the best days of

611
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: the year, and he made see three bucks. Would would

612
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: you say that is your kind of go to method

613
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: for hunting a big wood situation like this, Like you

614
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: find the right spot, and when you find that right spot,

615
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of hunting it over and over

616
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: and over and over again because you're just waiting for

617
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: that one or two deer to come through, and they

618
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: might only come through once in a week or every

619
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: two weeks. So you're not worried about over pressuring. No,

620
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: and and so I guess there is some consideration to

621
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: take about over pressure. But the the thing you have to

622
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: realize is in this particular area, it's not like I

623
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: have dose or a little bucks hanging around around me

624
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: all day. If I'm going to see a deer, it's

625
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: going to be a cruising buck for the most part.

626
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: So if I bomb a year and a half or

627
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: he gets me and he's cruising, well I don't really

628
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: care because he's not gonna The buck I'm hunting could

629
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: be three miles away. So if he blows and takes off,

630
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: so what I mean, Yeah, maybe age kidd him for

631
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: a future years, but it really is not affecting the

632
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 1: fact that that buck is going to come by. He

633
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: knows that he needs to go for a to B

634
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: and when he's in this area, that's what he's gonna use.

635
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: So I mean I to be running the chainsaw or

636
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: shooting a fireworks in that stand location. Um, But that deer,

637
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: like I said, he's on a different mountain, So how

638
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: does he know that? You know that area has been pressured. Obviously,

639
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: I try to leave as little soon as I can

640
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: hunt the wind and all that stuff. But I'm not

641
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: really worried about that. I think that was something I

642
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: had to get over because I, you know, used to

643
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: hunting some a little bit smaller stuff and in the Midwest,

644
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: and I'm really worried about managing pressure. But you know,

645
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: in the big woods, you like I said, you may

646
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: see three deer, and neither none of those deer got

647
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: me that I saw. Um, So really you can kind

648
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: of hunt the same area over and over again. I mean,

649
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: I would definitely pay attent and at tensions to access.

650
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: How are you getting in? You want to minimize the pressure,

651
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: But it's not something it's like, oh if I'm burning

652
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: the spot out, It's just doesn't really happen like that,

653
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: just because you have such a low deer density and

654
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: that deer do have recovering miles and miles and miles,

655
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: so it's a little bit different situation. That's interesting. Yeah,

656
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: that is the main tactic. I think it's really if

657
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: you're not hunting them on the ground, which is kind

658
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: of what you know, a really good way to hunt

659
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: them in the big woods or tracking. I think that's

660
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: the way to do it is is putting your time

661
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: in that area. If you're bouncing around, there's a pretty

662
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: good chance you're gonna miss him. Um. And when he

663
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: comes by, because like I said, it might happen once

664
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: a year that was gonna walk by there in daylight.

665
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: So wow, Okay, so you put in your year seventy

666
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: seven hours on stand, you saw three good bucks, but

667
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: not the one you're after. All right. So then the

668
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: last day, I just I wasn't feeling it. Um. We

669
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: had sat until about noon, um, and I kind of

670
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: noticed that a lot of the activity was usually morning

671
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: to like one o'clock, and then the afternoons were kind

672
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: of slow. Um. And I just it was the last

673
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: day and I was like, I hadn't checked any cameras

674
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: and any scouting up in this tree for more or

675
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: less h d eight days and I'm like, I gotta

676
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: do something, I gotta figure something out. I just don't

677
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: want to sit here anymore. It's the last day, and

678
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: I kind of was like, well, if it didn't happen

679
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: by now, it's probably not gonna happen in the next

680
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: four hours. So I decided to get own and just

681
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: do a little scouting, check two cameras, UM and hopefully

682
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: that there was give me some information to hunt him

683
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: even later in the right or early December UM. So

684
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: I actually checked the camera that was about a hundred

685
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: yards when I was sitting, and he had walked by

686
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: that camera again on the sixteenth to two pm, and

687
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: I don't know how I didn't see him. He was

688
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: like within a hundred yards of me. It looked like

689
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: his direction to travel, like camera would have loved him

690
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: by me, or at least I didn't see him. So

691
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: here I am like, I'm definitely it's over. Like I

692
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: had two opportunities, Danda, and I'm figured out it was

693
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: gonna be right here during this team frame and it

694
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: just didn't happen. So I thought it was pretty much done. Um,

695
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: I was pretty kind of bummed and like, man so

696
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: close again. Um. So after that, I know that typically

697
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: it's pretty tough, um because all the bucks are still

698
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: like you know, doing rut based activities or not. I

699
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: do call it in zombie mode. Zombie for me, there

700
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: are just like marching around all hours of the day,

701
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, through open areas, like with no regard to

702
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: much of anything. Um. But that kind of seems to

703
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: ender right around Thanksgiving, you know, of November. So it's

704
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 1: actually a little tougher. It's it's definitely doable, and there's

705
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: still some daylight activity, but it's more focused. I think

706
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: around first Sea in the morning and in last light,

707
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: and you know, around food sources, betting in is that

708
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: type of thing not on these big funnels. So um,

709
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: I knew my chances went down significantly. UM So they figured,

710
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: you know, well this I had to go back to work.

711
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: Um the next weekend. You know, we were actually filming

712
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 1: this this whole season for a project. UM actually didn't

713
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: have anybody to film, so I couldn't hunt really the

714
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving time frame, which I was kind of bumped about

715
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: to end up checking a couple of cameras um, and

716
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: I found that he had seemed to have moved into

717
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: this lower land area that um we actually got him

718
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: over the summer, and and it made a lot of

719
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: sense because there was some good grows down there. Um,

720
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: it was not as harsh of conditions as like, you know,

721
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: a thousand and fift feet above that area, so let's know,

722
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: a little bit warmer. Um, there's kind of like a

723
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: river that coast through there as well, so a little

724
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: more favor of the late season area, I guess you

725
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: could say. And so I kind of was a really

726
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: interesting piece of information. I was like, well, maybe he's

727
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: in here. That would make a lot of sense. Um.

728
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: And so I kind of just said, well, I'm gonna plan.

729
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume he is in here, and I'm gonna

730
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: make a plan a hunter in here. So um. And

731
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: that was in day like two, which was really encouraging.

732
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: So it's not just one of these things where he

733
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: was out moving, you know at night or whatever chasing does.

734
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: And and uh just happened to get a picture of him.

735
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: He was actually just kind of taking his time. So

736
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: that was really encouraging. Um. Then the next day we've

737
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: got about two feet of snow. And this is like

738
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: November twenty nine. There's something like that twenty third somewhere

739
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: in that back yep yep um. And I think we

740
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: got the snow. And I don't know what it was.

741
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: It must have been I guess it was a week

742
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: or so ago. Um, And so I didn't know what

743
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: that would do. I didn't know if, uh, it would

744
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: kind of lock him into a particular area because he

745
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: didn't want to go far. Um. He's already been running

746
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: for you know, at least six four to five weeks.

747
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: So I figured maybe he's in survival mode. He wants

748
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: to get with some doves and a favorable area for

749
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, winter conditions and hang out there. I didn't

750
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: know what to extuct, but I hope that he was

751
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: in that area um and would stick pretty tight so

752
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: that we you know, last week I was thinking about,

753
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, just running through everything in my head was

754
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: just star gonna be you know, how can I kill him?

755
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: Which you know this is I was so close and

756
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: like kind of disappointed, but like still like okay, I

757
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: gotta stay at stay after him and kind of us

758
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: any anything that I can to track him down. And

759
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: so um, snow came. It was cold, it was you know,

760
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: pretty pretty harsh conditions, and so I kind of made

761
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: a plan that well, hey, you know, I have this

762
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: fresh snow, and I could only have you know, weekends

763
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: now because of back to work. Um. And I said,

764
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna do whatever I can to kill

765
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: this buck. So I made a plan to basically sleep

766
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: in on Saturday morning, which is I think the seventh. Uh,

767
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: I say, sleep and just not get up to you know,

768
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: three o'clock to get way back in there. I got

769
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: a I got a snow machine or snow able to

770
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: get into this there, um get me a lot closer

771
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 1: because it was but one of the been another situation

772
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: where I have to walk to the three miles to

773
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: get there. So that was huge getting that. Buddy let

774
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: me borrow that, so I was able to get that

775
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: figured out, get in there, um into least in the

776
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of this year. Um. And then the

777
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: plan was to go and check these cameras. I guess

778
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention I had put out a few

779
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: more cameras that day where and I got his picture,

780
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: trying to you know, get an idea of okay, well,

781
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: at least here, so let's you know, put the camera

782
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: to make the camera don steal a litt high in

783
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: the seria to try to pick him up again. So, um,

784
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: the plan was is to go in there like kind

785
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: of after first light. Ah a value you wait the

786
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: sign we saw going in, Uh do your tracks see

787
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: if the deer are actually they were hanging out of

788
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: this area. Um, check some cameras, um, and kind of

789
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: make a plan. We were gonna probably sit there us

790
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: of the day if the deer. But but we had

791
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: gotten two inches of fresh snow on top of that.

792
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how much it was. It

793
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: was somewhere between fifteen inches and two feet of what

794
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: we got. It very based on the elevation whatnot. But um,

795
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: when we got that two inches, I was like, well,

796
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: now tracking is in play because um, we have fresh

797
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: snow and and this is gun season now too, right, Yeah,

798
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: this is the second to last day of our rifle season,

799
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: so rifle season, and it's Sunday the eight, So it

800
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know what, I'm not saying,

801
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: it's impossible to kill a buck with a bow in

802
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: the big woods, but it gets definitely, you know, way

803
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: more challenging without aout rifle. Um So, anyway, I I

804
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: we snuck into this area. I was seeing really good

805
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: a lot of track acts and a lot of sign

806
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: going in there. Um so I was encouraging. And basically

807
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: we got to one of the first cameras and I

808
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: see a you know, fresh track in front of it

809
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: and check the camera and I'm going to the pictures

810
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: and there's like bobcats and coyotes and like nothing on

811
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: this camera at all the whole week. But I know

812
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: this deer walked in front of so I'm waiting to

813
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: get to this picture. And he had walked by that

814
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: camera at five thirty that morning, so I have I

815
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: I have confirmation that it's him, he's in there, and

816
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: I have his fresh track. So it was a pretty

817
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: easy decision that I was gonna be tracking that day

818
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: and not sitting in a stand. Like I said, I

819
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: don't do it often, only when it was situational location.

820
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: That's a no brainer. Um So I made you know,

821
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, we're going after him. That's you know,

822
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: it's late in the season, we have snow. It's a

823
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: it's a golden opportunity. And if it doesn't happen today,

824
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: um am, I not happening. And he was only on

825
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: that camera that morning, he was on any other cameras

826
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: that I had in that area. So interesting, and that

827
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that he wasn't there, because it's hard to

828
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: in the big woods to to get him every time

829
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 1: he comes through. But it wasn't something where like, oh man,

830
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: this is a smoking spot, he's he's hanging out and

831
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 1: we gotta sit here. Um. So it was it was

832
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: kind of like a no brain attract this buck. So

833
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: I took up the track and uh, I mean, we

834
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: can get into the details of that if you'd like,

835
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: or yes, I want, I want the details on how

836
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: you go about tracking a deer like that in the snow,

837
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: because it's one of those things that I've always been

838
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: treated by. I have never tried to do. I've never

839
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: had a big enough area um and picked up a

840
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: big track in the same time to be able to

841
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: pull it off. So walk me through your mindset, walking

842
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: through what you were looking for. You know, when you

843
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: were going fast, when you're slowing down, what was the

844
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: what was the plan? So I'll start by saying this,

845
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I am not a very experienced tracker. I'd say that,

846
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, I have probably more experience than maybe you,

847
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: because you haven't time tracked here in the past. I wrong.

848
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: I grew up in you know, this area, so we

849
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: have snow early and you know, lots of lots of

850
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: grounded chase on. But it's not something that I I

851
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: count on because you don't always have tracking snow. So

852
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: it's not like I'm banging on snow and if we

853
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: don't get it, then I'm you know, out of luck.

854
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: So but I've used it, you know, when I'm appropriate,

855
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: and this is one of those times. And you know,

856
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about like the tactics and

857
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: the intricate sees of tracking, you know, you talked to

858
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: the Anoyans are held Blood and one of those guys.

859
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: Obviously those are the experts on it. But I've you know,

860
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: I know enough to be dangerous that I guess you

861
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: could say, um, so I guess my my, Well, the

862
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: funny thing is, is right next to that camera, about

863
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: fifteen yards away, he'd actually bet it down right after

864
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: your walk by that camera. And yeah, and so I

865
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: found it fresh bed and I actually thought we bumped

866
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: him out of it when we got there because he

867
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: was running, and I'm like, man, I'm like, how can

868
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: we have known? I mean, I just kind of like

869
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: I was kind of bunned because I'm like, man, we

870
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: could have stake up on but like, how do you

871
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: lading right next to your camera? How do you know?

872
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: You know? You just don't know. So I was kind

873
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: of like, man, dude, we did I just miss and

874
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: no the role to kill this buck. Like, I'm like,

875
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: what we have his track, It's like, you know, eight

876
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: thirty in the morning by this at this point we

877
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: have all day. Let's just give it our best shot.

878
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: And usually ideal and snow the sthing like you know,

879
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: four to six inches of fresh stuff where you can

880
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: really make out defined tracks. Um, it's not I guess,

881
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: uh pindering your ability to cover ground because we had

882
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: so much snow that it actually was it was a

883
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: challenge to even get around into the form. We're at

884
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: the point where it was like considering snowshoes, So it

885
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: was it was a challenge. And when you get that

886
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: much snow, you really can't see for the most part

887
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: the track you're following. You can't identify it. It's really

888
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: tough to make it out. It just looks like, you know,

889
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, like you were just a ski pole

890
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: and two feet of powder and pull it out. There's

891
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: nothing behind. You're like, what am I looking at here?

892
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: So they started to look at you know, the with

893
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: the stride lengths um the behavior of the deer, that

894
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: type of thing. Um, So I knew this buck was running.

895
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: And but then I started to see other deer tracks,

896
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: and I thought to himself, man, and he chase off

897
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: a small buck? Is he chasing does stuff? I wasn't sure.

898
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: We followed him probably a mile, not really knowing if

899
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: he was way ahead of us, if he was you know,

900
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: we were right behind him, if he was chasing those,

901
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: if I bumped him, trying to figure it out. It's

902
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: just tough and that you know that deep snow to

903
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: really know what's going on. And finally, after I mean

904
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, must have been an hour and a half,

905
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: an hour and about a mile track. Um, we just

906
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: I just decided this duck bucks chasing does and there's

907
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: no way that we bumped him and continued to bump him.

908
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: He's chasing dose, which was kind of crazy to me

909
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: because it's probably ten degrees. It's December seventh. He's been

910
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: running for six weeks and there's two ft of snow, Like,

911
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like a a smart move. I guess

912
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: to running that hard to me and in those conditions

913
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: for over tier buck, Like when this guy's get around

914
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: themself at death, he keeps this stuff, I'm thinking. So anyway,

915
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: we it was and we have a hell of a

916
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: time to tell me that he was still in this group.

917
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: I think you're stationed about three does or you know, uh,

918
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: mature dough into funds. Tough to tell. Um. We followed

919
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: him for a while and in the DOS final really

920
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: had slowed down and went up on this kind of

921
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: the spine on a ridge, and I figured, okay, then

922
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: they might be here. We need to really slow down.

923
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 1: Um for the most part, we're going at a moderate pace,

924
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: I'd say, just because I wasn't sure, if you know,

925
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: it's like, do we need to stop and let this

926
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: dear calm down because you jumped him and go back

927
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: about his normal activities, or do we need to make

928
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: up distance because this bucks running dogs and these two

929
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: moles one stuff. We're trying to make that determination. And

930
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: so they slowed down, so we slowed down, but they

931
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: didn't slow down for like a very long period time.

932
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: It's a short distance, but anyway, unfortunately one was really

933
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: bad for our approach on this ridge, and um, we

934
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: definitely wind bumped them. We got to the top of

935
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: the ridge, we saw what they had stopped and browsed. Um,

936
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: and then there was running tracks going off like the

937
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: back of the ridge and off this like drop off

938
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: and down again into another different like bottom area. And

939
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: so we took some time and kind of like used

940
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: that you know more I guess relaxed track now the

941
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: sprinting track, to see what's going on. And we figured, okay,

942
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: there's probably like two or three doughs. And then like

943
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: we saw where he had kind of stopped with him

944
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: but just maybe forty fifty yards away and was browsing

945
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: and he saw it. We saw time marks in the snow.

946
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, we're still on him. It's not

947
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: a different buck because he was the only buck I

948
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: was gonna shoot it. So it would be real bummer

949
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: if we tracked the buck all over the country for

950
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: the whole day and block up and it's you know,

951
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: some two year olds like oh man, especially since we

952
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: didn't make up the track, and he didn't really have

953
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: a giant hoof print either that would you know you

954
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: looked at and said, man, that's a giant deer. It

955
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: was like, I think that's a pretty good track, but

956
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: you know, tough to say. So we followed him and

957
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: he ran with the dudes for media a mile and

958
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: then he finally split off from them, and then that

959
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: kind of was encouraging, and I think we may have

960
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: pushed him a couple more times in that period. It's

961
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: tough to say, but we basically got to a spot

962
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: where like, okay, he is definitely separated from the doze

963
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: and now he's starting to head back up into the

964
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: high ground, up you know, into the mountains a little more,

965
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: and I just figured, okay, this is a good time

966
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: to stop. Um, let him cool down. You know. I

967
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: think that he lost us and kind of go up

968
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: high and start to do his thing. And I think

969
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: that one of these bucks like to bet up high

970
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: there every day and come down and look for dose. Well,

971
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: of course look for dose up high as well, but

972
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: they'll come down with for doz in the bottom I think,

973
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: uh at night, and they'll be in the bottom at

974
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: night and then kind of make their way back up

975
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: to bed, you know, at some point in the morning.

976
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: So he's more sense and I was like, okay, this

977
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: is excrazing. So we gave him about I don't know,

978
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: thirty or forty minutes, and it was extremely difficult to

979
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: sit there and wait because I knew we had his

980
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: track and it was right there, and I knew, you know,

981
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: we couldn't wait that long because this is about noon,

982
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: maybe twelve thirty, and we don't have that much more

983
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: light left. Um, I know midday when you talking about

984
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: you have the whole rest of the afternoon, but we

985
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: still might have to track this buck four miles so

986
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: so it's really not that much time. And it was

987
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: We're starting to get cold because we're drenched and sweat

988
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,959
Speaker 1: from running this tier through you know, two ft of snow.

989
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: So anyway, he started to climb, he slowed down. It

990
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: was really encoveragy. He got into some older or I

991
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: guess not as fresh dough tracks, probably made the night

992
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: before during that two inches of snow, and so um,

993
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: he wasn't running them. He was just kind of following them,

994
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: I saying, trying to figure out what they were going,

995
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: and actually we lost this track because I figured that

996
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: we needed to slow down and just keep our eyes above.

997
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: And we're just kind of keeping our eyes on the

998
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: twoear tracks and we're following, you know, three or four sets, scanning, scanning, scanning.

999
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: We finally got to a point where we're looking at

1000
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 1: the trucks, were you know, following or like this track's

1001
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: not here, this is these aren't super fresh, and so

1002
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: that was like, oh man, what happened? Did we lose

1003
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: more time? Like? Do we lose them? So I ended

1004
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: up backtracking probably three yards and found he had split

1005
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: off and he actually headed up again, even higher, and

1006
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: so we hug it up after him. You got to

1007
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: an area that was like mature soft woods, iconifers, spruce

1008
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: and hemlock, and it looked like a likelier for him

1009
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: to bed, but his track didn't indicate that he was

1010
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: about to bed. So a lot of times before these

1011
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: bucks will bed, they'll mill around. They're not you know,

1012
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: going from A to B on a straight line. They're

1013
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: slow down, they're browsing um, and they're taking their time.

1014
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: But this buck just seemed to be going. So I

1015
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: kind of was like, I don't know if he's about

1016
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: the day or he isn't. I wasn't sure, but we

1017
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: snuck up anyway, and we got to really this little

1018
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: plateau on the side of the mountain, and shure enough,

1019
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: there's just a super fresh bed um with a bunch

1020
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: of signs around it and his track in it. And

1021
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, we must have bumped him. Like

1022
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'm disappointed again, like how didn't we see him?

1023
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really didn't have any idea how the

1024
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: day it was gonna end. Um, And I look up

1025
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: out of the bed and there's another you know, it's

1026
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: start to claim again and I see running racks, and like, yeah,

1027
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: we bumped him up, Like it's you know, it's two

1028
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: o'clock now to fifteen, we have like two hours of

1029
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: light left. Gets you know dart pretty early and on

1030
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: the east coast, so I know that's might be it,

1031
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: but we'll continue after him. Well, we only went about

1032
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: twenty more yards and I realized you must have just

1033
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: bounded up that I'm banking to get up up at

1034
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: quicker that will steep section because he started working again

1035
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: and we could see his working backs for another thirty

1036
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: or four guys. I was like, no, we didn't bump him,

1037
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: like he he's got to be right here. He just

1038
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: probably decided to position beds based on the wind or

1039
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: maybe browns around a little bit, whatever it was, and

1040
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: he was heading up to like kind of a rich point,

1041
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: I guess on the mountains, basically rich boat. So at

1042
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: that point I was really feeling like he's right here,

1043
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: Like I just I think we have a really good shot.

1044
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: So we really took our time. We climbed maybe another

1045
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: hundred yards extremely slowly. We got to the top. His

1046
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: tracks kind of went out to this point kind of

1047
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: to my right, so it's scanning that direction, and then

1048
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, basic to our left, he kind

1049
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: of made loop. He was just standing there, um about

1050
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: seven yards out uh, kind of the hemlocks, and we

1051
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 1: had not very long to shoot. So I basically pulled

1052
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: up bombs shot and I kind of recal and my

1053
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: rifle kind of got me off and I couldn't see

1054
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: and I just kind of disappeared, and I saw like

1055
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: the flash of down there the ten yards the right

1056
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: when we were standing, and I kind of tried to

1057
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: clear the trees to see you maybe another shot, but

1058
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't see much of anything, and then I saw

1059
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: kind of like anybody that's watched a deer tip over

1060
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: has seen it. It's kind of like a slow like

1061
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, almost like a windmill action and like falling time.

1062
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: And of course it's through hemlocks. And I don't know

1063
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: if I'm of course doubting everything that I do think

1064
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: in worst case, but I'm like, I think he just

1065
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: went down. So anyway, UM, pretty exciting, And still didn't

1066
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: know exactly. I mean, sure it's him, right, but we

1067
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to like identify that actually was

1068
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: that buck. You see a little bit of antler in

1069
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: a big body, any like it's going to be him.

1070
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: So you know, I wasn't sure if you went down either.

1071
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 1: So you know, we're sneaking up and there's a lot

1072
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: of big boulders in this area. Glacial depositive boulders are

1073
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: like you know, car to house size, so it's really

1074
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: neat up in that area. UM. I kind of came

1075
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: around one of them and I looked at about forty

1076
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: yards and I just see, you know, his right side

1077
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: sticking up out of the snow. Um, and there was

1078
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: no doubts him. So I was pretty emotional moment for me.

1079
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: Actually it was just a lot of you know, years

1080
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: of all that coming together. Um. And really it's the

1081
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: first mature buck that I've ever killed tracking. It's the

1082
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: first mature buck I've killing the Hampshire in December, especially

1083
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: the first mature buck kill the rifle as well. So

1084
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of a really cool moment and maybe my

1085
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: oldest buck depending on how old he ends up being,

1086
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: and I think maybe my biggest buck as well as

1087
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: as far as anilers go. So really a wild day

1088
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: and and awesome I think you know experience. Um, and

1089
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: it just was really need a lot and lots of depth,

1090
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: I guess to the to the story. So if you

1091
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: had to drill down to why this worked out, if

1092
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: you had to point to our I think it is

1093
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: because of A and B that really led to me

1094
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: killing this deer. Um what would those things be? I've

1095
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: got like two two thoughts in my mind of what

1096
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: I think might have been the high level keys of success.

1097
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: But in your mind, what do you think? So I

1098
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: think obviously, I think, you know, obviously tracked this deering

1099
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: killing tracking. Without tracking, snow I would have killed him

1100
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: on that day, I don't think. But I think that

1101
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: the reason I was able to find his track and

1102
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: identify it with him. This is because of historical data

1103
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: and running cameras and getting to know kind of what

1104
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: he does over the years. So it was a huge

1105
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: team because, like I said, I was after that buck

1106
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: in that buck only, So if I had seen his

1107
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: track without that picture, maybe I would have followed it.

1108
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have followed it, for I

1109
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: think it ended up being four miles and five and off. Um.

1110
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: I think we probably would have given up, especially since

1111
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: it was a challenging track because you know how many

1112
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: times he was running with those and the deep snow. Um.

1113
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: I'm almost certain I would have given up to the the honesty,

1114
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: because I just I wouldn't know I was having my

1115
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: cofference level wouldn't have been that I kind of would

1116
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: have been going to take a waste that time here

1117
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: recognizing we're absolutely exhausted from climbing mountains and two and

1118
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: tending green weather. So think that's a huge cage just

1119
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: being familiar with his patterns different times of the year,

1120
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 1: running cameras and getting that track, and then the next

1121
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: thing is obviously just get getting a golden opportunity and

1122
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: like capitalizing on it like recognizing that this is this

1123
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: is a gift here having his track being able to

1124
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: able to identify him and um having fresh tracking snow.

1125
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: So really that's kind of the two things. I think

1126
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: that the biggest the opportunity recognizing it, getting that right

1127
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: condition and then you know, the knowledge and I guess

1128
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: back work and that you know, allowed me to get

1129
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: that picture to Yeah. Well, and I think that's so

1130
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: your your scenario is pretty unique compared to maybe what

1131
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: a lot of other guys or girls are dealing with,

1132
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: and that you're up in the mountains, you were in

1133
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: the big woods, big public land, or whatever it was

1134
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: that you know, it might be unique compared to what

1135
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with here in southern Michigan. But the basic

1136
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: concepts of what you did, we're kind of right in

1137
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: line with what you know I might recommend someone do

1138
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: here on you know, in Michigan, which would be in

1139
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: the late season in December. You want to gather intel

1140
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 1: or use intel from previous years to know the general

1141
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: region you should be looking, and then be hyper focused

1142
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: on what you can learn until the conditions are Intel

1143
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: tell you now is the right time to strike. And

1144
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: so for you, it was you were gathering intel over years,

1145
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: you folk hyper focused on the smaller area. You went

1146
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: in there with that fresh snow because that seemed to

1147
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: be a good opportunity, and then when you saw the

1148
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: track of the picture, you said, oh, now is the

1149
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: strike right now? We have to go for it and

1150
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: lo and behold it panned out. Um. Now that being

1151
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: the case in that unique situation, what else goes through

1152
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: your mind when you're hunting December nine, December nine, or

1153
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, late season in a different kind of scenario,

1154
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: because I know you have hunted all across the country, Um,

1155
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: what are some other things you're thinking about if you

1156
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: were trying to kill a late season bucks somewhere else

1157
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: that wasn't in the mountains or wasn't on this huge

1158
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: scale of land. I think that, I mean, this is

1159
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: nothing like once again that everybody doesn't probably right on

1160
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: its times, but I think really late season there's i'd

1161
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: say three factors, well four if you will. I guess

1162
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: the fourth one is not I guess a little bit

1163
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: different than a different category in the first three. But

1164
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: I think one is a pressure. You know, area that

1165
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: hasn't a pressure, So you want to find areas that

1166
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of gun pressure, UM or

1167
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: maybe sanctuaries, there's no hunting whatever, Where do you feel

1168
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: comfortable still moving in daylight? Um, you want to find

1169
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: uh food, even if even late in the rut. I

1170
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: think food is a big deal. Uh. If it's not

1171
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: for the bucks that are that are you know looking

1172
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: for does late rut, it's a big deal for the

1173
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 1: dose because when it's coming UM, I guess the last

1174
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: one would be dose and some of the late late

1175
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: does coming in. I've had seen actually surprisingly good second

1176
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: rut and maybe even late first right activity into December

1177
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: across the country, not just in the Northeast. So if

1178
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: you didn't find areas low pressures, a lot of dough,

1179
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of dose, and you know of high quality

1180
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: food source, you're gonna be I'd say that's your best bet,

1181
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: better than any other. Um then yeah, But even with

1182
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: those things, late season't can be really challenging and it

1183
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: can't be discouraging as well. UM, And I haven't had

1184
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: a ton of success late season. I think unless you

1185
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: get have a really big you know, food source with

1186
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, almost no pressure the whole year, and you

1187
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: get some really dramatic weather conditions. It's it's tough, but

1188
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: those are the things I look for. And then the

1189
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: last thing, of course is whether that would be I

1190
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: guess you felt. The fourth factors is you want to

1191
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: watch the weather. They're more severe, the better um whatever

1192
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: is pushing these deer to eat um. And that's actually

1193
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: one of the things that surprised me about this book

1194
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: is the weather was pretty severe. I mean we're talking

1195
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: single age its teens two ft of snow November or

1196
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: December seventh, after this bucks and running for six weeks,

1197
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: and he's still chasing those like a maniac. And it's

1198
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: to me that was like, I don't know that this

1199
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: buck would in the front himself to death, like he

1200
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: was skin and bones. When I walked up on him,

1201
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: he was like nothing left of him. So I don't

1202
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: know that he maybe wouldn't have made that transition to food,

1203
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, in the next week, or I don't know,

1204
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: maybe there's a lotdough that day or a fun that

1205
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: came in. It's stuf to say, you know, I don't

1206
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: know what the circumstance was, but um, so yeah, those

1207
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: are those are really what I look for. How consistently

1208
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter where I am. Yeah, how consistently do you

1209
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 1: see that second run? Is that a thing you count

1210
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: on every year or is it a little more touch

1211
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: and go. It's what I would I kind of approaches

1212
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: that look for all the other factors and then maybe

1213
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: that's a little a little wild card sprinkled in that

1214
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: might get a buck. Do you haven't seen in daylight moving? Um? So,

1215
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't bank on it. I don't hunt it

1216
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: like to run h like a late season hunts and

1217
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: then hope that maybe that faun or that late dough

1218
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: brings a pile of bucks. And I actually had that

1219
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: happen in Ohio a couple of years back. I was

1220
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: just hunting a food source and seeing a lot of

1221
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: deer and then all of a sudden, it was like

1222
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: all hell broke loose, and you know, there's like three

1223
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: mature bucks that came in on um I think I

1224
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: don't actually don't know because it happened so fast, and

1225
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: I still was a fun It was mid December, But

1226
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, that's just kind of the wild card that

1227
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: can also stack yours in the favor. And that's actually

1228
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of why I like bid December for late season hunting,

1229
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: because you have that stacked in your favor as well.

1230
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: You know, early December could be good or late December January,

1231
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: but I feel like that you know, right round December fifteen,

1232
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: Speci in the Midwest can be a really good time.

1233
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: You have kind of all those factors in your favor.

1234
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: It's like probably maybe one of my other than maybe

1235
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: like opening week and the peak of the right It's

1236
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: probably my third favorite period to hunt. Now, what are

1237
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: the tricks with hunting that time of year? Like you said,

1238
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: food is really important, but sometimes picking the right food

1239
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: or the right place on the food, um, can be

1240
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: the detail that makes the difference between you know, seeing

1241
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,959
Speaker 1: a buck and shooting the buck or you know seeing

1242
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: it at all. Um. What are some of the top

1243
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: food sources you would key in on in the late

1244
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: season or secondarily, my question would be how do you

1245
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: pick the right food source? Maybe they're in an area

1246
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: where there's multiple food sources around. How do you go

1247
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: about trying to fine tune you know, the right place

1248
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: to be on December fifteenth when there's multiple options. Yeah,

1249
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: it's it's that's a tricky one because I think that

1250
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: is so dependent on your particular area and what you've

1251
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: got going on. UM. Sometimes you know it's beans, it's corn.

1252
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes I've seen clover, Like right now, I have a

1253
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: property that I manage in New Hampshire and I have

1254
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: standing beans and corn. You know we have snow and

1255
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: cold in there on clover. I don't know why digging

1256
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 1: through the snow to get clover that's where the activities are.

1257
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have ever predicted that. UM.

1258
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: And if you don't have any of that type of thing,

1259
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: which most of other doesn't UM, and you're in maybe

1260
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: some of the lower elevations white and red uh oaks,

1261
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: that's a really safe bet. Sellfis and stuff. UM A

1262
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of areas that I'm not When you get higher

1263
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: on the mountains, the I guess that oaks aren't as prevalent,

1264
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: so you're looking for brows, UM and even stuff like

1265
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: I Actually it's I kind of mentioned those boulders that

1266
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: are in this area. They grow a lot of ferns

1267
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: and moss on them, and I've seen a lot of

1268
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: that activity late in this season on that even like

1269
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: eating moss and ferns off the side of the boulders

1270
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: like that needs to be a bit of a drawing card.

1271
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: But I would say that you know, regardless of what

1272
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: the actual food sources, what you need to do is

1273
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: figure out in your area at that time what's going on.

1274
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: So I think really being using all your clues. Um,

1275
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: if you can glass or see anything, uh, do that,

1276
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: like get out and watch see what the majority of

1277
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Speaker 1: the activity is at before you know, make a plan

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01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: of hunt. If you can't glass, which is most you

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Speaker 1: know in New England the big woods. Uh, if you

1280
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: get snowlook for tracks and snuggle that's you know, you

1281
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: can learn so much by doing that. Run cameras see

1282
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 1: you know what the highest density of deer is the same.

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Speaker 1: Other thing that I think is interesting for late seasons,

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Speaker 1: I don't seem to get regular pictures of bucks. Seems

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Speaker 1: like I get I just don't think they're moving as much.

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01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: Maybe um and when they do move it's more A

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01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: to B and they may just don't people walking by

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Speaker 1: the camera. But it seems like I'll get like just

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: the frequency that deer on the cameras drops soft, dramatical

1290
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: relate season. But I still think he's still in that area.

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01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I've thought about that a lot

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01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: and not sure exactly why it is. But um, so

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01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be discounaging. I like to be isn't there

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01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: all the time? You still might be in there, just

1295
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: maybe not moving as much and walking around checking scrape,

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01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: curious about everything. So I rather been hunted for a

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01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: while and and both are trying to avoid hunters and

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01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: probably conserve energy as a winter approaches too, So that

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01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: that makes a lot of sense. Um. You brought up

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01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: a good point though about not getting discouraged once you

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01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: get into December or you know in states where you

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01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: can hunt in January two. You've been going at it

1303
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: for a long time, and if you're still out there,

1304
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: it might be because you haven't filed a tag yet. Uh,

1305
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some mental mental uh burnout probably going on.

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: How do you or how would you recommend folks just

1307
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: kind of push through that or how how have you

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: ever tried to? I mean, I gotta believe even in

1309
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: your situation, you had this huge rug push and then

1310
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: it gets to you know, it's almost mid December and

1311
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: you still haven't killed him, and you were probably feeling

1312
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 1: some of that too. Yeah, I know what I mean

1313
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: for sure. I was talking to my buddies, you know,

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01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: the only year about this year, and you know, after

1315
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: the route, they're like, you're gonna get him, and I'm

1316
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: just like, man, probably not. I I mean, I'm gonna try,

1317
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 1: but like my chances aren't great. I was like, honestly,

1318
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: like he's probably either gonna make another year hopefully or

1319
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: or maybe that's winners like deal. But uh yeah, it's

1320
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Speaker 1: super discharging and it's I mean, for the most part,

1321
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: your chances maybe as those has been all a year.

1322
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, you just have to But what what can

1323
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: you control. You can't control that you're in that situation.

1324
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: So stay positive, just do everything you can, be persistent

1325
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: and hope that you know something goes your way. That's

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Speaker 1: all you can do. It's deer hunting, and you know,

1327
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: if it doesn't go your way, then it doesn't. I

1328
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: can It's something in the world. It's always next year,

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01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: and I think most of us aren't doing this because

1330
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: they're we're gonna start if we get death over the winter,

1331
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: if we don't get a deer, you know. So I

1332
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: mean it's sometimes it's that's just that's the name of

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01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: the game. I guess. Sometimes you you don't fill that

1334
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: tag and that's okay, it doesn't. I mean I haven't

1335
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: that filled in the last two years, and I've put

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of time, and so I mean, it's it's

1337
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: just the way it is. And I think if you

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01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: stay positive and take that out look that hey, I'll

1339
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: just just I don't get them this year. I'll just

1340
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 1: pick right up on him next year and and use

1341
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 1: what I learned this year and to get after him.

1342
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, you get to realize all that

1343
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: takes is one dramatic weather event to get that deer

1344
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: to move in daylight and he walks out when you

1345
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: haven't seen him all year, or you know, you haven't

1346
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: had a chance in the while year and there he was,

1347
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: he's dead, or or like you said, one fund that

1348
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: comes in and he comes flying out a offer rage

1349
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: and out of nowhere, and you just killed the buck

1350
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: after all year and five minutes before you're like, yeah,

1351
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: there's like no shot. I'm telling this year, you know,

1352
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: you're feeling down in yourself, So I would just keep

1353
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: that in mind. I mean, there's not really much you

1354
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: can do, so I just say you you think about it,

1355
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 1: have a solid plan, Uh, stay positive, and that's all

1356
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: you can do it just be kind of proud and

1357
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: satisfied that you'll fuck a good fight and they would know.

1358
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: So that's that's just that's hunting. You know, it doesn't

1359
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: always go your way. Sometimes we get this, uh, this

1360
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: idea in our heads or this image from what we see,

1361
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: uh you know in some of the really good places

1362
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: that guys are hunting. Uh that you know, it's just

1363
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: everybody kills a big block every year, and it's just

1364
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 1: not the case. It's not the reality for most people,

1365
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: even the guys that put out a ton of times.

1366
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, and really, I don't think it should

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 1: be about that. Um, it should be about the journey.

1368
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: And I was talking to my buddy when right tracking,

1369
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, I'm not It's not to be

1370
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: the end of the end of the world if we

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01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: don't fill this year today, Like I hope, I hope

1372
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Speaker 1: that if we don't that he makes another year and

1373
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: I get to the story continues, and I really am

1374
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: fascinated by, you know, the journey or the story and

1375
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: the production of the year over the years and learning

1376
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: about him. I think that you know, if aout a

1377
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: four year story in his deer, I mean, it's a

1378
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: big deer, but without a four year story, he wouldn't

1379
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: mean you know, anywhere close to it means doing now,

1380
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's kind of how it is.

1381
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: And that's how I took the last to year is

1382
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: because I would know after you know him and another

1383
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: one it just didn't happen. So I was like, well,

1384
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: next year. I can't wait for next year, So I

1385
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: would just stay optimistic and look through the future and

1386
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: if it happens, it happens. YEA enjoying that journey. That's

1387
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: That's one of the things when it when it gets

1388
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: to the late season, for me, I always have this

1389
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: light shift in mindset um And maybe this isn't good

1390
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: when I when I describe what I'm like before, but

1391
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: when I'm in November, I'm usually a little bit stressed

1392
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: out because there's all this expectation, like this is what

1393
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: it's supposed to happen, this is the best chance all year,

1394
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: this is the super Bowl, the stakes are highest, your

1395
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: opportunities is now, and if it doesn't happen now, it

1396
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: might not happen again at all. So I tend to

1397
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 1: find myself really excited but also stressed a little bit

1398
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: during that time period, which is just kind of my nature. Um,

1399
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: once I get into December, though, I've had to have

1400
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: like a mental switch where I shift, I'm okay, now

1401
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: it might not happen, right, I mean, things are getting

1402
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: harder and harder. More and more of these deer have

1403
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: been killed during gun season. My opportunities are less. Um,

1404
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean they can't, it can't still come together.

1405
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: But I have this little shift where I go from

1406
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: stressing because I have to get it done too. Now

1407
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: you know it might not happen, but that's okay. And

1408
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: and looking back on this season, and so when I'm

1409
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: on these late season hunts, I've come to really enjoy

1410
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: this time of year because it's all gravy. Now now

1411
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: I've kind of all right, you've had a season, You've

1412
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 1: you've had all these great times. It's cool encounters, Um,

1413
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: you've learned new things. Just enjoy it, Just milk it

1414
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: for what it is, because the season is gonna be

1415
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: done here in a matter of days or weeks, and

1416
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna wish that it was hunting season again. So

1417
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: I tend to find myself doing a better job of

1418
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: looking up at the sky and the sun setting or

1419
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: paying attention to the little fall and running around and

1420
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: just enjoying that and and yeah, I'm still gonna have

1421
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: a smart plan. Yeah I'm still gonna be trying to

1422
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: get that dear um. But like you said, whether it

1423
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: happens or not, life's still pretty darn good. Absolutely, I

1424
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: couldn't agree with Moris, you know what you just said there.

1425
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 1: I think late season a great time for reflection and

1426
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: just appreciating the journey you have. Why do you kill

1427
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: a deer or not? Like if you I mean ay day,

1428
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: like I said, it does it for a different reason.

1429
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: But if you're out there just because you want to

1430
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: kill an animal and launch a tag, like I don't know,

1431
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: that's fine, but you may want to take a step

1432
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 1: back and think about why you're doing it. I mean,

1433
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: I really just love spending time outside pursuing. Then was thinking,

1434
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, I liked his journey. That's that's what I like.

1435
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 1: And at the end of the year you can look

1436
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: back and like, man, look at the scene and that

1437
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 1: maybe they didn't kill this buck. Look when I learned,

1438
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: look at the encounters I had, Like that was fun.

1439
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: I got to spend time outdoors, I got to do

1440
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: what I love and you know, hey, I learned this

1441
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: this year, and I'm gonna work hard in the off

1442
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: season and put this into play and next year I

1443
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: think that's gonna put me over the top. And you know,

1444
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, put put the odds in my favor and

1445
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: then you and you have that anticipation starts to build

1446
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: again and you know, just do it all over again.

1447
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: So I think that's what I like the best about

1448
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: about this whole whole gig And hope if you kill it,

1449
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 1: they're awesome. But I mean there's also the thing I

1450
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: killed this buck, and I'm he's not there anymore. Though

1451
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: next year, I don't get to look forward to what's

1452
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: he gonna be, what's he gonna look like doing so

1453
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 1: not there anymore, and that's kind of a letdown too,

1454
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a double edged short. I mean,

1455
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm not upset that thes deer get away and

1456
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 1: they make it another year, you know. So I don't

1457
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: know if if you're getting stressed, like just trying to

1458
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 1: make it, take that perspective mindset and think about that

1459
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: way and it may help you enjoy your time more

1460
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: and enjoy the process and journey. Yeah, that's what it's

1461
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: all about right there. Gotta gotta make sure to never

1462
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: get so serious or ever gets so worked up about

1463
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: it that it takes the joy out of it. Um So, man, well,

1464
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: this is fun and it's encouraging to hear your story

1465
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: because you know, there's probably a lot of other people

1466
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: myself included, uh, still trying not to tag and to

1467
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: hear how you pulled it off after years and years

1468
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: of following Steer around and it all came together. I

1469
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: think that can give us all a little bit of

1470
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: hope that maybe the stars can align for us to

1471
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing that, Brett, and sharing the

1472
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: process that you went through and and uh and what

1473
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,960
Speaker 1: led to this success. It was really interesting and holy smokes,

1474
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: if if you guys haven't seen this deer that Brett

1475
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: got a shot at, you gotta check it out over

1476
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: on Instagram or where where Brett should folks go if

1477
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: they want to see what you're up to now or

1478
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 1: the different projects you've got coming in the future. Is

1479
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: there any place you want to direct people towards right now?

1480
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: They just go to my Instagram. They can still you know,

1481
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: see that and then whatever products that I got coming out,

1482
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: I guess these things were working on. It should be

1483
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: coming out to start this or this coming summer um,

1484
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: including the story of this buck. But my Instagram just

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Speaker 1: Brett July twenty two, So pres T T j O

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Speaker 1: iping out there and I don't post like crazy, but

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Speaker 1: to do puss stas really keep people up there and

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Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm up to perfect alright, well I will.

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Speaker 1: I'll make sure to share that with folks and man,

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to share all this

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Speaker 1: with us. I really appreciate it. Thanks, And I said,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of season left for a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys and STI out there. Fingers cross all a good

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Speaker 1: story for you soon, Brett, I hope so good luck,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and that he is going to do it

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Speaker 1: another episode in the books. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: I hope it gave you just a little bit more

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Speaker 1: hope for those late season hunts. Keep after good things

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Speaker 1: can still happen. I will hopefully have news for you

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Speaker 1: soon with my own late season hunts. I will tell

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Speaker 1: you though, is late season hunting starts wrapping up. Reading

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Speaker 1: season begins for me. I'm out there grabbing some new books.

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Speaker 1: I love a good book by the fire, and it's

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Speaker 1: cold outside, and I'd be remiss if I didn't remind

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Speaker 1: you that that Wild Country, my new book, is out there.

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Speaker 1: It's for sale on Amazon or wherever else you want

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Speaker 1: to find books, and it would mean the world to

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Speaker 1: me if you pick up a cop Thanks in advance

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Speaker 1: and until next week, thank you for listening, and stay

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Speaker 1: wired to hunt. M