WEBVTT - #519 Jason Flom with Marcus Blalock

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<v Speaker 1>On March twenty fourth, two thousand and one, the body

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<v Speaker 1>of Howard Rose was discovered inside a burnt out pickup

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<v Speaker 1>truck on Interstate ninety in Pennsylvania. The night before, police

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<v Speaker 1>had responded to suspicious activity outside the Ohio home of

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<v Speaker 1>Arquita Willis. Two men sped off and were apprehended, both

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<v Speaker 1>of whom gave statements that Willis had killed Rose and

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<v Speaker 1>asked them to help dispose of his body. Soon after,

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<v Speaker 1>Willis was arrested, threatened with a death penalty, and she

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<v Speaker 1>told police that her former fling, a guy named Marcus Blaylock,

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<v Speaker 1>was the shooter and that he had disposed of the

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<v Speaker 1>body on I ninety alone. Despite obvious falsehoods and multiple

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<v Speaker 1>changes to her story, not even nineteen alibi witnesses could

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<v Speaker 1>save Marcus. This is wrongful conviction. You're listening to wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>to Wrangful Conviction, where today we have another case out

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<v Speaker 1>of Kuyahoga County. I mean, they just keep on coming,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is one of the capitals, if not the

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<v Speaker 1>wrongful conviction capital of this country. And joining us is

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<v Speaker 1>one of our favorite attorneys who's very active in this space.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Coral, welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, Thank you, thanks for having.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and joining us from an Ohio correctional facility where

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<v Speaker 1>he never belonged, but he's been there for over twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four long years. The man himself, Marcus Blaylock, Marcus, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Marcus was originally Bordingland, but soon moved out to

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby suburb called Maple Heights, or really a sub

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<v Speaker 1>section of that suburb.

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<v Speaker 3>We moved out to Maple Heights seventy five seventy six

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. It's a predominantly white area and the

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<v Speaker 3>area that I grew up in was called President's Road.

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<v Speaker 3>The railroad tracks run behind it, so those houses are cheaper,

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<v Speaker 3>so they put the blacks in that area. So the

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<v Speaker 3>blacks in that area, they kind of stuck together. So

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<v Speaker 3>I had a good childhood. I played sports, football, wrestle,

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<v Speaker 3>ran track, and then at the age of fourteen, I

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<v Speaker 3>got a job working at the local hardware store, and

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<v Speaker 3>the community stuck together in that area. I appreciated that.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I didn't appreciate was the police, because the

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<v Speaker 3>police were very prejudiced. Not even a brown person, not

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<v Speaker 3>a black person, not an Asian person, nothing, just all

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<v Speaker 3>white police force. Just say, if a white kid across

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<v Speaker 3>Broadway get their bike stolen, the first place they're coming

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<v Speaker 3>to look for that bike is in President's role. And

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<v Speaker 3>then it seems like I was being singled out. And

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<v Speaker 3>it was one main cop who ended up turning into

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<v Speaker 3>a detective. Why was he always asking me about this

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<v Speaker 3>and about that? But I come to find out that

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<v Speaker 3>he was also working at Sears. My mother retired from Sears,

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<v Speaker 3>so he knew my mom. And the other cop who

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<v Speaker 3>ended up being the detective all Henderson went to high

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<v Speaker 3>school with my oldest sister. So I got these cops

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<v Speaker 3>asking me questions this periodically and if somebody's having a

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<v Speaker 3>house party and a fight breakout. Seems like I was

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<v Speaker 3>always being targeted, like hey, Mark, who was doing all

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<v Speaker 3>the fighting or who was doing this? And who? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. As I got older, I'm not saying I

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<v Speaker 3>was an angel. I got into mischief stuff, like my

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<v Speaker 3>last year of high school. Even though I worked, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a little hustle, I got caught with some marijuana

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<v Speaker 3>and some other drugs. I ended up getting probation or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever for that, so Dad kept the police on me,

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<v Speaker 3>even when years later when I stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, we've seen a lot of cases where a connection

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<v Speaker 1>to drugs made our guests the target of a frame job.

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<v Speaker 1>But by two thousand and one, Mark was thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>years old and he had built a successful landscaping company.

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<v Speaker 3>That landscaping company ended up being very profitable for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up having a lot of contracts with the county,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm with the city and helped me with money

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<v Speaker 3>to put down to buy a house for my family

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<v Speaker 3>that was off Libby.

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<v Speaker 1>And while Marcus had moved into the white part of town,

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<v Speaker 1>it was some of his old acquaintances from President's Row,

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<v Speaker 1>Dion Johnson, Ernest McCauley, and Arkeda Willis who dragged him

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<v Speaker 1>into this case.

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<v Speaker 3>Arqita growing up, she just wasn't my type at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>but years later I ended up having a friends with

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<v Speaker 3>benefits or so you want to say, relationship with her

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<v Speaker 3>that turned into something else. And then when I cut

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<v Speaker 3>it off, it wasn't tooken in a great way. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like she hated me after that. But Dion was

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<v Speaker 3>a friend and cuts hair. He's a barber, so used

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<v Speaker 3>to cut our hair and whatnot. And honest, he was

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<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine. And when he was released from

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<v Speaker 3>a federal prison after doing five years, I got this business,

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<v Speaker 3>I got this home. I gave him a job.

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<v Speaker 1>He also gave him a cell phone that was registered

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<v Speaker 1>to Marx Landscaping Business, which was about to score a

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<v Speaker 1>major contract.

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<v Speaker 3>And this contract was to service the children's playgrounds and

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<v Speaker 3>the top lots in the city. But this contract was

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<v Speaker 3>not publicized. The same Italian company, we're getting this contract

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<v Speaker 3>for the last five years. So at the time, Maple

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<v Speaker 3>Heights had just elected their first black councilman. So he

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<v Speaker 3>came to my mom and told my mom, Hey, have

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<v Speaker 3>Marcus call me. It's like they got this contract coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>They haven't even publicized it. They keep giving it to

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<v Speaker 3>the same company. We're going to back you and make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that you get this contract.

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<v Speaker 1>And even though he had the lowest bid, the contract

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<v Speaker 1>went to the incumbent company. The council member encouraged Marcus

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<v Speaker 1>to contest that decision at the upcoming meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, mind you, at this council meeting. You have the

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<v Speaker 3>chief of police, the mayor, seven council people, the fire chief.

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<v Speaker 3>You have one of the two detectives that frame me

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<v Speaker 3>for this crime. I haven't had any run ins with

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<v Speaker 3>Maple Heist police or the police period. In over five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything is going smooth for me. My business is going great.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm kind of leary to go to this council meeting.

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<v Speaker 3>So when they get to the awarding of the contracts

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<v Speaker 3>and did anybody have anything to say, I stand up

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<v Speaker 3>and say yes I do. My name is Mark on

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<v Speaker 3>Mark's Landscaping. I had a lord bid, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>get the contract. Papers is shuffling. They shut the mics off.

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<v Speaker 3>They're looking up there whispering to each other. They cut

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<v Speaker 3>the mic back on and was like, oh, it seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be had been a mistake. The contract has already

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<v Speaker 3>been awarded. But Mark will make sure that your company

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<v Speaker 3>will get work in the future. Let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 3>Two months later, I'm arrested for this case.

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<v Speaker 1>So that brings us to the end of March two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, when Marcus was growing his business and

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<v Speaker 1>supporting his family in their newly purchased home in the

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<v Speaker 1>White part of town. He had also been fortunate enough

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to help send his cousin to the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Cincinnati, so his cousin invited Marcus to an

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<v Speaker 1>alumni event over the weekend of Friday, March twenty third

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<v Speaker 1>into Saturday, the twenty fourth of two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 3>They're having their first annual Black student reunion, hosting it

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<v Speaker 3>in Cleveland. He lived in Cincinnati, so he's coming to clean.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my cousin. I supported him all while he

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<v Speaker 3>went through college. I know most of his fraternity friends,

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<v Speaker 3>people that he went to college with, so normally when

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<v Speaker 3>they have things, I'm always in attendance.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Johnson had even given Marcus a haircut during the

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<v Speaker 1>day on March twenty third, but after they parted ways,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Johnson's police statement, he and Ernest McCauley were

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<v Speaker 1>contacted by Archida Willis. She had been entertaining a known

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<v Speaker 1>drug deal named Howard Rose, who had been fatally shot,

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<v Speaker 1>and Willis needed help with disposing of his body.

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<v Speaker 2>So around eleven thirty, the next door neighbor and great

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<v Speaker 2>ann of Arkida Willis, Dorothy Evans, makes a call to

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<v Speaker 2>police concerning suspicious activity. She states that she heard noises

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<v Speaker 2>like someone moving furniture outside her bedroom window near Arkida

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<v Speaker 2>Willis's home, and then looked to see if Willis's car

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<v Speaker 2>was in the driveway, but it wasn't. She saw a

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<v Speaker 2>dark vehicle she didn't recognize in the driveway and she

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<v Speaker 2>calls the police, and while on the phone with the

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<v Speaker 2>nine one one dispatcher, she saw two individuals dressed in

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<v Speaker 2>black exitding the home next door. A little while later,

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<v Speaker 2>Willis arrives at the front door of Evan's home. Willis

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<v Speaker 2>asked Evans if Evans had called the police, and when

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<v Speaker 2>Evans asked Willis what was going on, Willis responded saying

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<v Speaker 2>that someone was helping her do something and that's all

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<v Speaker 2>she said. When the police officers arrive, they observe a

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<v Speaker 2>car fleeing the scene and after a short chase, they

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<v Speaker 2>apprehend two individuals, Ernest mc collie and Dion Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson and McCauley were arrested for trespassing. While the police

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<v Speaker 1>did a safety check of Arkida's home and they saw

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<v Speaker 1>a puddle of blood on her driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>They returned to Willis's house and they're like, what is

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<v Speaker 2>this puddle of blood in the driveway, they went to

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<v Speaker 2>the backyard, they find a back window unlocked. They go

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<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom and find lick candles around the bathtub,

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<v Speaker 2>a warm bathwater with Sophie residue and drying blood, and

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<v Speaker 2>a pager with blood on it, and this blood later

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<v Speaker 2>is tested and found to be the blood of Howard Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the police leave the bathroom move to the bedroom

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<v Speaker 2>where they see a box spring without a mattress and

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<v Speaker 2>no bed linens visible.

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<v Speaker 1>As of now, there was no body and according to

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<v Speaker 1>later statements from Marquita, at this time, Rose's body was

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<v Speaker 1>in his truck parked on a side street while she

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<v Speaker 1>went to work, where the police eventually tracked her down

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<v Speaker 1>and they asked her to come to the station so

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<v Speaker 1>they could ride to the house together, and she explained

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<v Speaker 1>that Johnson and McAuley were not intruders.

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<v Speaker 3>First she said she had some friends over there moving

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<v Speaker 3>some furniture. Then when they asked about the blood they

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<v Speaker 3>found in the driveway, where did it come from? She said, what,

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<v Speaker 3>a blood came from a dogfight. She was hosting a

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<v Speaker 3>dog fight at her house.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, obviously, dog fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's as ridiculous as it is sinister.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not what I would have gone with, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>what our Keida Willis goes with. When they go to

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<v Speaker 2>her house, she's accompanied then with like a thin black

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<v Speaker 2>mail with a Jamaican accent, by the name of Omar.

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<v Speaker 2>He was present while police questioned Willis outside her home.

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<v Speaker 2>Willis refused to allow the officers to do a second

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<v Speaker 2>search of her home, and in the police reports they

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<v Speaker 2>report that Willis is evasive and uncooperative and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they left. They appear to have lost all interest

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<v Speaker 1>in Omar, and it's believed that at this point the

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<v Speaker 1>body was disposed of near Exit six on the Interstate

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<v Speaker 1>ninety in Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 2>In the early morning hours of March two, twenty fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>Pennsylvania police are called to the scene of a fire

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<v Speaker 2>on I ninety. A pickup truck with Ohio plates is

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<v Speaker 2>engulfed in flames. Howard Rose is inside. He's identified through

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<v Speaker 2>an autopsy and it's determined that the cause of death

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<v Speaker 2>is a single gunshot wound to the head. The investigation

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<v Speaker 2>produced information that Willis was with Howard Rose on the

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<v Speaker 2>day he was killed, and they determined that the death

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<v Speaker 2>they were investigating had initially taken place in Maple Heights,

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<v Speaker 2>and so reshifting our focus back to Ohio, Ernest McCully

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<v Speaker 2>and Dean Johnson, who had been arrested on the twenty third,

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<v Speaker 2>were released from Maple Heightst. Jail and for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>their property is all returned to them, including the bloody

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<v Speaker 2>clothing that they were wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows why, perhaps since they had been so forthcoming

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<v Speaker 1>with whose blood it was, as well as that it

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<v Speaker 1>was Arkda who hads built.

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<v Speaker 3>It, they all pointed the finger on herd as she

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<v Speaker 3>was the one that did it. She was the one

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<v Speaker 3>that called them to help remove the body, clean up

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<v Speaker 3>the whole nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess cooperation can buy you a lot. Case in point,

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<v Speaker 1>Arquita was soon arrested, pressed again about her ridiculous dogfight explanation,

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<v Speaker 1>threatened with the death penalty, and somehow was still able

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<v Speaker 1>to come out of this with a plea deal for

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<v Speaker 1>obstruction and evidence tampering, receiving only four years.

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<v Speaker 2>Willis is initially charged with aggravated murder, burglary, and kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 2>Those charges are dropped in exchange for her testimony against Playlock.

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<v Speaker 3>All she had to do was write a statement, put

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<v Speaker 3>the gun in my hand and sand that I killed

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<v Speaker 3>this guy over a drug deal gone bad, which was

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<v Speaker 3>all alive because I never was at her house doing

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<v Speaker 3>a drug deal before or after he was killed. It

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<v Speaker 3>was her and a Jamaican guy that accompanied her to

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<v Speaker 3>PA and New York when she disposed of the body.

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<v Speaker 1>However, at this point, according to Arqida, Marcus had driven

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<v Speaker 1>the body out to Pennsylvania alone. But how does one

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<v Speaker 1>return to Maple Heights when the burnt out pickup truck

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<v Speaker 1>was still out on I ninety. Well that would require

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<v Speaker 1>another adjustment in her story, but for now. Upon this

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<v Speaker 1>dubious statement, Marcus was arrested.

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<v Speaker 3>It was April six, two thousand and one. I'm riding

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<v Speaker 3>with my contractor. We just come back from home depot

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<v Speaker 3>from picking up some materials. It looked at like one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred toy soldiers. They ran out of my house, my garage,

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<v Speaker 3>my neighbor's house with black on with masks on, telling

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<v Speaker 3>me to get out the truck, get out the truck.

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<v Speaker 3>I get off the truck, and when a guy lift

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<v Speaker 3>this mask up. This guy's been messing with me for years,

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<v Speaker 3>he said, I finally got you. I wanted you to

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<v Speaker 3>make one false mode so I could have killed you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at this stew like, are you serious. I

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<v Speaker 3>get to the police station, they tell me what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>being arrested for. I said, are you see? I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't have nothing to do with that. Let me

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<v Speaker 3>write a statement, did detective? And say, I'm not letting

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<v Speaker 3>you write a statement. When I get done with you,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna be guilty. And that was the last conversation

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<v Speaker 3>I had with that guy, Oh besides him telling me

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<v Speaker 3>who did I think I was to buy a house

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<v Speaker 3>and made likes.

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<v Speaker 1>On April ninth, Arkita Willis said that Marcus had taken

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<v Speaker 1>her car to Pennsylvania, so they searched for car for

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<v Speaker 1>many physical ties to Marcus, and yeah, you guessed that

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<v Speaker 1>they found nothing. But this still begs the question who

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<v Speaker 1>actually drove the pickup then, which was answered in another

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<v Speaker 1>narrative change at the preliminary hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Willis, at this point, according to the third version of

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<v Speaker 2>her story, now claims that she and a person by

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<v Speaker 2>the name of Omar, followed the truck containing Howard Rose's

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<v Speaker 2>body driven by Blaylock, who she claims as a person

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<v Speaker 2>who set the truck on fire. Claimed that after Blaylock's

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<v Speaker 2>hat the truck on fire, he got in the backseat

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<v Speaker 2>of her car, and the three of them proceeded to

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<v Speaker 2>New York City and stayed at Omar relative's home in

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<v Speaker 2>the Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>Curiously, this Omar character was never pursued.

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<v Speaker 3>They never arrested this guy, but he's in my paperwork

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<v Speaker 3>with the prosecution. They sealed the investigative file before I

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<v Speaker 3>even went to trial. My lawyers asked several times for discovery.

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<v Speaker 3>We never received the discovery before trial or at trial.

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<v Speaker 3>They have been withholding evidence since I was arrested in

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and one to this date, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 3>they're still fighting my attorney from getting post discovery, pre

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<v Speaker 3>trial discovery and during trial discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>So who knows what else they have and why they

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<v Speaker 1>need to hide it and why did they completely let

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<v Speaker 1>this Omar guy off the hook. In addition to that,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the grand jury, where evidence of probable cause is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be presented to obtain the indict the transcripts

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<v Speaker 1>of which are typically not made available to defendants, but

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus's attorney had reason to fight to have it unsealed

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<v Speaker 1>both before and after the trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody told my trial attorneys that they need to get

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<v Speaker 3>the grand jury transcripts if you want those charges thrown out.

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<v Speaker 3>So they fought to get it. That judge said that

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<v Speaker 3>she was doing an in camera inspection and if she

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<v Speaker 3>finds anything that will warrant the defense council to have

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<v Speaker 3>it and she would turn it over to us. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>she denied us having it.

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<v Speaker 1>And who knows what the judge's motivations were, because what

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<v Speaker 1>they discovered in post conviction is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>What we see is that there's no probable cause for

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<v Speaker 2>him to have ever been indicted in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time they went to the grand jury, the

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<v Speaker 2>police only had three statements about the death of Howard Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>Both McCully and Johnson's statements claimed that Willis told them

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<v Speaker 2>that she, and not Marcus Blaylock, shot Howard Rose in

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<v Speaker 2>the back of the head, and only Willis's statement implicated Blaylock.

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<v Speaker 2>Both McCully and Johnson's tasably entirely on Willis, and the

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<v Speaker 2>only other evidence is Detective Joseph aerbar So, despite admitting

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<v Speaker 2>at the preliminary hearing that he has no idea who

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<v Speaker 2>shot Howard Rose, he tells the grand jury, based on

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<v Speaker 2>nothing that's documented nowhere, that there were two lacerations on

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<v Speaker 2>Rose's body and opined in an inflammatory way that those

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<v Speaker 2>lacerations were the result of pre mortem torture. Now it's

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<v Speaker 2>later learned and trial that they were the result of

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<v Speaker 2>the autopsy. But this misrepresentation was super prejudicial because you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a detective saying without basis that it's Blaylock who

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<v Speaker 2>did it, and that he tortured him before he died.

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<v Speaker 1>And it appears that this wasn't the only misrepresentation.

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<v Speaker 3>They liedd a grand jury and said that they talked

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<v Speaker 3>to me and I gave him a statement or I

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<v Speaker 3>admitted that I was there or whatever. I never talked

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<v Speaker 3>to you like that. I never admitted. But Danny cleaned

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<v Speaker 3>it up. This is detective Airbar, that's who testified. He

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<v Speaker 3>came right back and said, well, we never heard from Blaylock. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>which one is that I told you that I was there?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is it that you didn't hear from Blaylock. It's

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<v Speaker 3>the second one. You didn't hear from me because I

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<v Speaker 3>never made any statements or anything. When I told you

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<v Speaker 3>that I will make a statement giving you my alibi,

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<v Speaker 3>you told me you didn't want to hear it. The

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<v Speaker 3>only thing you want to hear is if I'm guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>In addition, the grand jury questioned how Marcus became a

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<v Speaker 1>suspect at all, as Arkda is the only witness to

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<v Speaker 1>mention Marcus, while the other two named only Arqda.

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<v Speaker 3>They said they had other cooperating evidence besides Alkeda Willard's statement. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't have anything else besides her statement. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have any coroborating evidence. I was indicted on the presumption

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<v Speaker 3>that there will be other coroborating evidence to go along

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<v Speaker 3>with Alqda's statement.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps the judge was also fooled into thinking that they'd

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<v Speaker 1>have corroborating evidence by the time of Marcus's trial. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even the prosecuting attorney, Richard Bomback, had fooled himself by now.

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<v Speaker 3>They already tried to use cell phones and say my

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<v Speaker 3>telephones was a cell phone that was contacting the girl

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<v Speaker 3>Arqda all that day. I haven't talked to her in

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<v Speaker 3>almost two years. It's Ernest's phone, my friend who was

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<v Speaker 3>just released from prison, who I went and purchased a

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<v Speaker 3>cell phone for, was contacted her. You know, years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>you couldn't just go get a cell phone. You had

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<v Speaker 3>to have credit. His credit was messed up. I had

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<v Speaker 3>a business account with all tail. I said, I'll just

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<v Speaker 3>put you on my account. You're about to be working

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<v Speaker 3>for Marx Landscaping anyway. His family testify that yes, it

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<v Speaker 3>is in Marx's landscape, but it's not Mark's phone, it's

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<v Speaker 3>Earnest's phone.

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<v Speaker 1>So all they ever had was Arquida.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, she came in a courtroom. She get on the

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<v Speaker 3>stand and they asked her, you know, did she see

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<v Speaker 3>the accused or whatever? And she points at me. She's

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<v Speaker 3>fake crying on the witness stand. Not a teardrop fell

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<v Speaker 3>from her eye. Everybody in the courtroom witnessed. It seemed

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<v Speaker 3>like the judge played right along into her because she

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<v Speaker 3>handed her a box of clean next. So she's blowing

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<v Speaker 3>and wiping her nose and there's nothing coming out. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>listening to her and looking at her like this is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>She can't really recall exactly what she's saying, so the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution grabbs her statements and he said, well, maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>can give you this, and this can job your memory.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, we all know that you lied. It came

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<v Speaker 3>out that you lied in your previous statements or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>and you implicated Marcus Playlock. Later on why don't you

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<v Speaker 3>read your statement to the jury and to the court

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<v Speaker 3>and point out where you told the truth that and

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<v Speaker 3>where you lie.

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<v Speaker 2>At While under oath, she admits to telling a different

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<v Speaker 2>version of her story to the police, to actually driving

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<v Speaker 2>the truck that contained Howard Rose's body, going to Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 2>to dispose of Howard Rose's body, lying to the police

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<v Speaker 2>and feinding ignorance about what happened to Rose, lying during

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<v Speaker 2>the March twenty third interview, lying during the April sixth interview,

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<v Speaker 2>lying during the April ninth interview, line during the June

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<v Speaker 2>sixth interview, and lying in written statements. And she admits

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<v Speaker 2>to lying because Willis did not want the crime to

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<v Speaker 2>be found out. And she admits that she intended to

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<v Speaker 2>lie to the police at each of those times. Super credible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very difficult to co sign a witness's credibility if

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<v Speaker 1>anything they've said is false, but that's what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>The testimony that was truthful, according to this admitted liar,

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<v Speaker 1>was that before going to work, she arranged for Marcus

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<v Speaker 1>to buy drugs from Rose at her house. When she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear from Rose, she called Marcus, who eventually told

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<v Speaker 1>her to come home from work, where she said that

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<v Speaker 1>she saw Rose's body on her bed and Marcus admitted

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<v Speaker 1>to shooting him. That McCauley and Johnson helped move the

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<v Speaker 1>body to the truck, and that she parked the truck

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<v Speaker 1>on a side street before calling her friend Omar to

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<v Speaker 1>drive her back to work, and at some point her

0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:36.399
<v Speaker 1>next door neighbor, a great aunt, deb saw men in

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<v Speaker 1>the driveway and called the cops.

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<v Speaker 3>Her aunt justified that she would know me a mile away.

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<v Speaker 3>I know what Mark drives, I know how Mark looks.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been knowing him since he was a little boy. No,

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<v Speaker 3>Mark was not one of the persons that I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Her kid's testimony continued that after she'd gotten off work,

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<v Speaker 1>met with the police, told them to lie about the dogfight,

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<v Speaker 1>and they left. That she, Omar, and Marcus got a

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<v Speaker 1>gas can and then they followed Marcus out to Exit

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<v Speaker 1>six on nine ninety, where he lit the truck on fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and the three sped off to New York City, returning

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday, March twenty fifth, around eight am. But none

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<v Speaker 1>of this was true, or at least the part about

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus's involvement is.

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<v Speaker 3>No way impossible That I could have been traveling to

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<v Speaker 3>PA or New York. I'm not David Copperfield. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>be in two places at one time. I'm in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 3>My cell phone shows that I'm in Cleveland. Back in

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<v Speaker 3>the day, you had roaming charges when you go out

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<v Speaker 3>of your call area. None of my phones were roaming.

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<v Speaker 3>That's because I never loved Cleveland. But her phone is

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<v Speaker 3>Roman in another state. That's because that's where she went

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<v Speaker 3>and disposed of the body. So when they knew that fact,

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<v Speaker 3>she said, yeah, I drove a body out of town,

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<v Speaker 3>but Marcus was with me. How was I with you?

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<v Speaker 3>I was in Cleveland. I got witnesses to prool where

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<v Speaker 3>I'm at, and my cell phone records proof that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 1>Which was the site for the University of Cincinnati's first

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<v Speaker 1>annual Black Students Reunion, for which he attended events on

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<v Speaker 1>both Friday and Saturday nights. It was even photographic proof

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<v Speaker 1>for Saturday, the twenty fourth.

0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.280
<v Speaker 3>I was on a picture that night. However, the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 3>took it and twisted it and said, there's no date

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.639
<v Speaker 3>on the picture, but behind it is a banner. This

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<v Speaker 3>is the first annual reunion, So there was no other one.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where I was on this particular night.

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<v Speaker 1>And they brought in nineteen alibi witnesses to corroborate his

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<v Speaker 1>alibi for both nights.

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<v Speaker 3>People that were at the party, people who were wh

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<v Speaker 3>meed that weekend, some of them I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 3>my brother. I took my niece shopping that weekend. I

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<v Speaker 3>had all those people testifying it on my behalf, but

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<v Speaker 3>it made no difference. I could have put on one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred witnesses. It didn't make a difference.

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<v Speaker 2>The police and the prosecutors unethically and impermissively rely on

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<v Speaker 2>testimony which they know to be false, and the jury

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<v Speaker 2>just gets it.

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<v Speaker 1>Dead wrong, even though the prosecutor and the witness herself

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<v Speaker 1>admitted that her testimony was full of lives, and so

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus was convicted.

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<v Speaker 3>After I get found guilty, I'm distraught, family's distraw. My

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 3>mother's screaming like she just witnessed me getting killed. While

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<v Speaker 3>they hauling me off, you can hear her screams echoing

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the courts corridor. They sent me back to the

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<v Speaker 3>holding sale of wherever I was at my lawyer's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, tell me, hey, we're gonna untill it you

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<v Speaker 3>got a case here. This isn't right. Appeals court, they're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna overturn this right away. I don't see how the

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<v Speaker 3>jury found you guilty. There was no evidence presented. The

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<v Speaker 3>girl even lied on the witness stand. I'm hearing them,

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<v Speaker 3>but at the time I'm not hearing them. All i'm

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<v Speaker 3>hearing is the judge saying guilty on all charges and

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<v Speaker 3>my mother's cries. At the time, I have a daughter

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<v Speaker 3>that's eighteen months old, and I have a nine year

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<v Speaker 3>old son going on ten, and I'm everything to him.

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<v Speaker 3>I am everything to both of my kids. My son

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know until later. I asked him years later,

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<v Speaker 3>like how does this affect you? He was a teenager

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<v Speaker 3>at the time when I asked him this, but I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to know, like, how does me being incarcerated affect you?

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<v Speaker 3>And he said, I feel like I lost my best friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Son is in the military now, he's in this fourteenth

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<v Speaker 3>year in the United States Navy. He's a chief in

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<v Speaker 3>the Navy. Not only do I have those kids, my

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<v Speaker 3>two kids, now, I have grandkids who I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>them to see me like this. They don't even know

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 3>that I'm incarcerated. They never met me. They've seen pictures

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 3>of me, but they don't know me, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>want that opportunity to be there. My mother's now and

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<v Speaker 3>med eighties. Her health is failing. There's so many people

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<v Speaker 3>that died in my family. My father has passed. My

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<v Speaker 3>older brother we were tight. He's nine years old me.

0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 3>He was basically like a father to me. He passed

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<v Speaker 3>away in twenty seventeen. He had a heart attack. So like,

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<v Speaker 3>this doesn't just affect me, this affects my whole entire family.

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<v Speaker 3>If it wasn't for my faith in God, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be here talking to you now on this podcast. I'm

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 3>doing things in here to try to keep me busy.

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm a mentor, a spiritual mentor, and even my heart,

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 3>I still have hope that things would one day turn around.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know when, but I have faith that it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's been an uphill battle despite many positive developments

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 1>along the way, the first of which was getting one

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<v Speaker 1>of the slew of charges an obstruction of justice conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>overturned way back in two thousand and three, and at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, Marcus's attorney discovered all the lies and

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<v Speaker 1>manipulation and the grand jury which he tried to raise

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<v Speaker 1>in the obstruction proceedings.

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<v Speaker 3>And I received those grand jury transcripts, but my lawyer

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 3>sent me a one page letter like this is everything.

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<v Speaker 3>We get in front of the judge when they're dismissing

0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:11.960
<v Speaker 3>the obstruction charges, and my lawyer says, you'r honor, we

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:15.440
<v Speaker 3>have the grand jury transcripts right here. There was no

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 3>probable cost. My clients shouldn't have never been indicted. She says,

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 3>she didn't want to hear about it. We're not there

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:25.399
<v Speaker 3>to discuss the grand jury transcripts. She hit the gavel

0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:27.280
<v Speaker 3>and it was over with and I was out the.

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<v Speaker 1>Courtroom at this point. His sentence was reduced to twenty

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:34.360
<v Speaker 1>eight years to life, while his co defendants received very

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>lenient deals for actually being involved. Rakida Willis was charged

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.479
<v Speaker 1>only with obstruction of justice and evidence tampering, even though

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 1>according to Dion and Ernest, she was the actual shooter.

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<v Speaker 3>She ended up doing four years. Dion did two years,

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<v Speaker 3>Ernest at nine. I think he ended up doing seven

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 3>and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>So almost immediately after Arkita does her four years, she

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>calls up Ernest mccaullay and in the conversation, she admits

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.439
<v Speaker 2>that she falsely implicates Blaylock. In this case, Willis admits

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to killing Howard Rose. McCauley asked, well is when she

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 2>decided to shift the blame to Blaylock, and Willis told

0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>McCauley that she didn't care about mister Blaylock. McCully says, listen,

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>you took a soul, She says, right, and McCully says,

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 2>which would be Howard And she says, uh huh. You

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>could save two souls, which would be me and mister

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.720
<v Speaker 2>She says, uh huh. The conversation shows she's admitting that she,

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and not Blaylock, killed Howard Rose. She states, although she

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 2>had changed her stories to fit the date she said,

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>detectives did not investigate. Willis said this showed that the

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<v Speaker 2>detective's vindictiveness toward Blaylock.

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<v Speaker 3>She said she even told the detectives in front of

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 3>her attorneys that she drove the body away and they

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:43.280
<v Speaker 3>fell out their cheer, laughing because they couldn't believe it.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 3>But they say, well, it doesn't make a difference. Just

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.240
<v Speaker 3>pay to ten percent bond. Whatever obstruction of justice and

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 3>tempering what evidence bond was to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>When McCauley asks Willis what her largest reservation about admitting

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 2>that she killed Rose would be, Willis responds because she

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>wants to be home too. She then discusses a fictional

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 2>in air quotes book she wants to write about the murder,

0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>entitled Murder One was the case they gave me, And

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<v Speaker 2>then they talk about the contents in her book, where

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>she admits that she hates Blaylock. She tells McCauley that

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>she feels badly because of all the people in prison

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>who didn't actually do the crime. She says it was

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:21.080
<v Speaker 2>easy to frame Marcus because she hated him. When McCauley

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 2>tells Willis about lying being problematic because it necessitates moral lies,

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Willis says, it isn't that hard. You get a story,

0:29:28.920 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>you stick with it, and that's that, and that's a quote. Moreover,

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Willis admits that she lied to her own attorneys about

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>what transpired, and she admits that she couldn't believe that

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 2>a jury convicted Marcus based solely on her testimony, giving

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 2>how many times her story shifted.

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<v Speaker 1>Prison phone conversations are recorded, so McCauley reached out to

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Marcus's lawyer and they retrieved and transcribed the recording, adding

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>it to his federal havias where you need to show

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that your constitutional rights were violing, and they bolstered the

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<v Speaker 1>filing with this evidence of innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>It's two three hours worth of conversation that my lawyer

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 3>ended up getting and submitted it into evidence in my

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 3>federal hay and it changed the direction that my hat

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 3>was going at that time. And I told my lawyer

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 3>to file a stay and take that evidence back to

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 3>the trial courts so you can exhaust it. If the

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 3>federal courts hear it before the trial court, then I'll

0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 3>be forever barred from bringing it back up. So what

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 3>happened was he didn't listen to me. He said, no,

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:33.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to file at both places. Whoever answers first,

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 3>we're good. We got a confession from the actual murderer.

0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.520
<v Speaker 3>So when it got included in the record, the magister

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 3>judge said that the conversation proves that the state of

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 3>Ohio convicted the wrong person when they found Playlock guilty

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 3>of the murderer. Roles those exact words.

0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>However, the court ruled that an innocence claim absent the

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>constitutional violation was insufficient so the recordings, having not been

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 1>added to the record and exhausted in trial court, were

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:06.880
<v Speaker 1>now procedurally barred. But then Arkeita kept right on communicating

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>with Ernest McCauley.

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 2>She admits her guilt on multiple occasions. In letters she's

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 2>drafted to Ernest McCully, Willis admits to killing Howard Rose

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and that mister Blainlogg was not involved, and like the

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>phone call, McCully often refers to a soul that was

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:25.200
<v Speaker 2>lost or stolen because of Willis's lies. She wrote, I

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 2>guess when you take a life, you have to live

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>with it. You really don't have a choice but to

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 2>look at it different. She discusses her gratitudes towards McCully

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>for his assistance and helping to remove Rose's body from

0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>her house. She describes her fear that mccullay Harbor's resentment

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 2>towards her because he remains incarcerated for the crime she committed.

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 2>She says, all of which we've been through, I still

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 2>wonder if you hate me. I wonder if one day

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.160
<v Speaker 2>you'll break my neck because of what you're going through

0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 2>because of me. She goes on rape I just feel

0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>like crying all the time. Then I start questioning myself

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>all those lies I told. I never would have guessed

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 2>they'd believe my statement. I just thought I'd get a

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 2>plea bargain and they would find everyone not guilty because

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.800
<v Speaker 2>of all of the dishonesty in all of my written statements.

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<v Speaker 1>This time, his attorney took it to the trial court.

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>A judge decided that to these letters and recordings you

0:32:07.480 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>couldn't prove they were her. She would not testify taking

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:15.959
<v Speaker 2>responsibility for them, and so those subsequent post conviction petitions

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 2>were denied. They went back and forth through the Court

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 2>of Appeals.

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 1>At this point, it appears that the state offered Ernest

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>a deal for early release, which he told Marcus about

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>in a letter two days after he made the deal

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and later testified to in twenty fourteen. This is what

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>he said about the offer.

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Ernest said that he ended up writing a statement later

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 3>for the prosecution to get out of prison early. He

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 3>told him that whatever he writes is this against me

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 3>is going to be a lie because I'm innocent. But

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 3>they said they don't care if he lie. They just

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 3>needed to stop my post conviction and it did.

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>A statement was drafted allegedly from Ernest that the phone

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>conversations were just a setup and that Marcus was the

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>actual shooter, And despite presenting a letter from Ernest admitting

0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 1>that the statement was just a means to get his

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>on early release, Marcus didn't get any traction again on

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the now procedurally barred confession materials until a twenty thirteen

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>affid David for one of the Cauley's cellmates, Shannon Drake.

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 3>He gets throwed in the mix because Ernest let him

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 3>listen to Archidah on the phones and wrote affidavit from

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 3>my lawyer Sam. He heard her saying how she set

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 3>me up. In twenty fourteen, I'm back in the courtroom

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 3>on our everdentary of hearing it. Ernest came in there

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.080
<v Speaker 3>and got on the stand and Danny said that he

0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 3>ended up writing a statement, and a statement is really

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 3>no good until you testify to it. So now he's

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 3>testifying that statement is false. The prosecution told him what

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 3>to say, and as a matter of fact, that's not

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 3>even my signatures. Blaylock is innocence. The judge doesn't make

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 3>a ruling on her for two years, and then when

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 3>she comes back two years later in twenty sixteen, she denies,

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 3>saying that evidence was not new.

0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Which goes back to the original sin that this phone

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:59.080
<v Speaker 1>conversation was presented in federal court but was never exhausted

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>in trial court, so it was used up where it

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>couldn't be effective on its own, and then they can

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 1>say that this related evidence is not new. But there

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 1>was a new hope in Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's office, the

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:15.279
<v Speaker 1>creation had long last of a conviction Integrity Unit.

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, I found an application to them for my role

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 3>for conviction in twenty eighteen. I didn't hear nothing from

0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 3>him for two years. In twenty twenty, during the pandemic,

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.759
<v Speaker 3>I had someone reach out to the head of that

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 3>unit at the time. He said, oh, it's ironic that

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 3>you're calling me about the Blacklock case because something new

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 3>has came up and I'm going to ask the head

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 3>prosecutor for special permission to re review his case.

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>So at this time Marcus reached out to Kim, who

0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>agreed to represent him with the CiU.

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>So I talked to the then head of the Conviction

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Integrity Unit, who says he won't confirm that they've found

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>something new, but he doesn't deny that he's had this

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:58.080
<v Speaker 2>conversation with this contact person, mister Blaylock. But the whole

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>time we're going through this and get a response from

0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 2>them one way or the other, like about what's going on,

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 2>what the investigation is. However, McCully is telling us, Yeah,

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.799
<v Speaker 2>they interviewed me. We send our investigator out to talk

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to Willis, who says, those prosecutors took me out to

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 2>dinner and I told them the truth. I'm not going

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.359
<v Speaker 2>to say anything more. And then she slams the door

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 2>in his face words to that effect. So we know

0:35:21.000 --> 0:35:25.040
<v Speaker 2>they have some investigation which is favorable. And you would

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.800
<v Speaker 2>think if their answer was we don't have anything favorable

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 2>to overturn, that would have been said years ago. In

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>the course of this they had represented at some point

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>that it moved on to the investigation phase and the

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>voting phase.

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 1>Now, this CiU was assigned an independent review board made

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>up of judges and community members, whose purpose was to

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>review the findings of these reinvestigations and vote on recommendations

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:49.359
<v Speaker 1>for the head prosecutor.

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I talked to the members of the board who said, no,

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 2>we've never heard about this case. We haven't met for

0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:58.239
<v Speaker 2>over two years, and As a result, November of twenty

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, all community members of the Higer County Prosecutor's

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Conviction Integrity Unit resigned, citing the units inactivity perceived lack

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<v Speaker 2>of impact, with a letter noting that the office had

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<v Speaker 2>not even referred a case for review since prior to

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<v Speaker 2>the pandemic. As far as I'm concerned, Ural Sailor's the

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<v Speaker 2>only case of exoneration by the Conviction Integrity Unit. Now

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<v Speaker 2>there's Octavius Williams, where he was voted to be exonerated,

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<v Speaker 2>but instead they just gave him a judicial release, which

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<v Speaker 2>really compromises the idea that the purpose was ever without

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<v Speaker 2>conviction integrity.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can hear about both of those cases. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have our coverage linked in the episode description.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kim filed motions to compel the CiU to release

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<v Speaker 1>anything they'd found, because, after all, when Marcus filed with

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<v Speaker 1>the CiU, they'd signed an agreement to share materials, not

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<v Speaker 1>to mention other obligations to do so.

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<v Speaker 2>As a result of the court sort of order that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if your beef is with the Conviction Integrity Unit, the

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<v Speaker 2>whole board resigns. So we're not sure that they are

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<v Speaker 2>a thing anymore, and therefore we can't compel them. These

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<v Speaker 2>obligations exist out of ongoing Brady obligations, concepts of justice,

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<v Speaker 2>out of the prosecutor's ethical duty to pursue justice. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's an AVIA requirement that if they find subsequent evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>they're required to turn it over. None of that seems

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<v Speaker 2>to matter. The agreement doesn't seem to matter, and here

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<v Speaker 2>we are two and a half years into litigation just

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<v Speaker 2>about whether they have to turn over the materials from

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<v Speaker 2>this investigation because we need to establish that it was

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<v Speaker 2>Willis who said this, and Willis is not presently cooperative.

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus Blaylock's conviction should have never occurred, but it should

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<v Speaker 2>have ended the first time Willis made it admission that

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<v Speaker 2>she had framed him. And it's now been twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>since that admission, and the justice system is playing games

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<v Speaker 2>about whether or not he should have access to this

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<v Speaker 2>state's investigation of his innocence. That shouldn't even be a question.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, my public records requests have been denied, my

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<v Speaker 2>court filings have been denied. Now we're at a man

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<v Speaker 2>in the Court of Appeals, and it's just every step

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<v Speaker 2>of the way we're hit with obstacles about just having

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<v Speaker 2>access to information, and information should be free to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>So the path forward is we are not going to

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<v Speaker 2>stop until we get this investigation because we know that

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<v Speaker 2>what's contained in it is the basis to move forward.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason we know that is nobody would work

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<v Speaker 2>so hard to protect nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything that our audience can do to help?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think public outcry, call the prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 2>demand that they released information. Why are they protecting it?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the purpose?

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<v Speaker 2>What are they hiding?

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<v Speaker 1>And if anyone wants to learn more about Marcus and

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<v Speaker 1>his case, he's written a book.

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<v Speaker 3>My book is out, My Long Journey through Faith at

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<v Speaker 3>New Beginning by Marcus Blaylock. I appreciate to somebody that

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<v Speaker 3>knows about this case, that heard about this case, that

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<v Speaker 3>maybe the witness has talked to in the past, please

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<v Speaker 3>come forward, Feel free to talk to my attorney. I

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<v Speaker 3>have a website to free Mark M A R. C.

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<v Speaker 3>Blaylock B L A L O C K dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we're going to link the book his website

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<v Speaker 1>as well as ways that you can contact Kim if

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<v Speaker 1>you have any information about this case, And with that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go to closing arguments, where first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I think each of you for being here, and now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to kick back in my chair and close

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<v Speaker 1>my eyes and just listen to anything else you have

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<v Speaker 1>to say. Kim, as always, let's start with you, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you can just hand the microphone off to Marcus

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll take us off into the sunset.

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<v Speaker 2>This case is so obvious. How it got indicted is

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<v Speaker 2>the original question. How there was probable cause to move

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<v Speaker 2>forward with an arrest, with an indictment, with a trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and how a conviction is sustained. We're questions that weren't

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<v Speaker 2>answered until after trial, unfortunately, but we've known the answer

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<v Speaker 2>for now more than twenty years. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't been able to extend justice or procedure to

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus Blaylock to give him access to tell the truth

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<v Speaker 2>of his story is one of the greatest injustices i've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that the prosecutor's office, in acknowledgement that it

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<v Speaker 2>had information favorable to mister Blaylock, did an investigation and

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<v Speaker 2>won't turn that over, have spent thousands of hours and

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<v Speaker 2>dollars just keeping this information secret is proof positive that

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<v Speaker 2>the system is protecting what it knows to be a

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<v Speaker 2>wrongful conviction.

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<v Speaker 3>Something is hidden and you're not showing it. You're not

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<v Speaker 3>showing your hand. But yet and still she shows her hand.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not right, it's not right. You have

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<v Speaker 3>me wrongfully convicted now going on twenty four years support

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<v Speaker 3>crime I didn't commit, and you use the self admitted statement,

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<v Speaker 3>a percase statement at that to convict me. I need prayers.

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<v Speaker 3>I need prayers, support phone calls for this to go through.

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<v Speaker 3>My lawyer is amazing, but I need a miracle right now.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I need. I need God to create a

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<v Speaker 3>miracle for me so I can be exonerated from this

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<v Speaker 3>wrongful conviction.

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