Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death, starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria QK. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to our very first episode of Mother Knows Death.
Speaker 1: I'm here with my daughter Maria, and we are so
Speaker 1: excited to start today. But first we're going to give
Speaker 1: you a little bit of our background, just in case
Speaker 1: you don't know who the hell we are. So first
Speaker 1: I want to say that my name is Nicole and
Speaker 1: Jemmy and I'm a Board certified pathologists assistant. I specialize
Speaker 1: in doing autopsies and dissecting organs from surgeries. And then
Speaker 1: about ten years ago, my husband came up with the
Speaker 1: idea that I should start bringing my work to Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I did. I started an account called at missus
Speaker 1: angeb Underscore and Jemmy and I was showing pictures of
Speaker 1: different diseases that I would see in pathology and at autopsy,
Speaker 1: and I was having a lot of my followers guests,
Speaker 1: and over the past ten years, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: I've gotten almost two million people to love pathology as
Speaker 1: much as I do. And it's just been a really
Speaker 1: awesome ride. But things haven't always been so easy for me.
Speaker 1: And I'm very open with my followers about my struggles
Speaker 1: in my life. And one of the biggest struggles that
Speaker 1: I ever had was that I got pregnant when I
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old. And guess who you're looking at
Speaker 1: right now. This is my daughter, Maria, and we just
Speaker 1: thought we've always wanted to work together. Maria has been
Speaker 1: such a big part of my journey. She you know,
Speaker 1: you want to tell them you used to work at
Speaker 1: the Morgue with me sometimes in the summers when you
Speaker 1: were off school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember being a really little kid and you
Speaker 2: first took me to a couple college classes with you,
Speaker 2: which I kind of can't believe they let happen. But
Speaker 2: it was also cool to sit in the back of
Speaker 2: your biology class when I was just a little kid.
Speaker 1: And then I ended.
Speaker 2: Up working with you at the hospital when I was
Speaker 2: a teenager, only to discover that I really hate everything medical,
Speaker 2: so following in your footsteps was not really for me.
Speaker 2: So I kind of took my love of science that
Speaker 2: I had from you and my love of art and
Speaker 2: combined them and went to school for photography. I ended
Speaker 2: I have a degree in photography. I ended up working
Speaker 2: in the photo industry for a few years doing photo
Speaker 2: assisting fashion and prop styling working on a movie, which
Speaker 2: was a really cool experience, and then COVID happened. I
Speaker 2: got the opportunity to get a certification in UX design
Speaker 2: and that was really helpful because right when I finished
Speaker 2: that program, you needed me to come on board and
Speaker 2: help you out.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so it's weird.
Speaker 1: We always you know, I had Maria when I was
Speaker 1: so young, and we're almost as close as siblings, and
Speaker 1: we always used to daydream together, like we're going to
Speaker 1: work together someday, and we never really could figure it
Speaker 1: out because I love blood and guts, and Maria faints
Speaker 1: when she if I even talk about her getting her
Speaker 1: blood taken right now or something, she will just faint.
Speaker 3: So it never really worked out.
Speaker 1: But then one day we were thinking about the stuff
Speaker 1: that we always talk about, and we always talk about
Speaker 1: pop culture, and we always talk about, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did you hear that news story? Did you hear that
Speaker 1: news story? So then we thought, all right, this is
Speaker 1: going to be the idea of our podcast. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about all of the breaking news that surrounds death, pathology, disease,
Speaker 1: and everything that has to do with the human body.
Speaker 1: So we're really excited about doing this and we think
Speaker 1: that you'll really like it. So there's I just think
Speaker 1: there's so many different stories that happen in the news
Speaker 1: every single week that relates to pathology, whether it's natural
Speaker 1: disease or or forensics like accidents, suicides, homicides, and we
Speaker 1: could talk about nearer deaths and also deaths. And really
Speaker 1: the reason that we talk about this stuff is because
Speaker 1: we want to live a healthier life and this is
Speaker 1: just going to help us do that. It's going to
Speaker 1: help us make better choices, and it's going to help
Speaker 1: us be safer. So more to I vivost docent, the
Speaker 1: Dead teach the living. It's no coincidence that we chose
Speaker 1: this day to launch our podcast because it is Dia
Speaker 1: Dilla Martis.
Speaker 2: That is otherwise known as Day of the Dead. If
Speaker 2: you couldn't pick up on her excellent Spanish.
Speaker 3: ECX, listen listen, I tried. So yeah.
Speaker 1: The Day of the Dead is a day to celebrate
Speaker 1: our ancestors and anybody that has passed. And I thought
Speaker 1: that this would be the perfect day to launch us
Speaker 1: because we're talking about the dead and how the day
Speaker 1: teach us. So Ray, let's get started with our first
Speaker 1: story of the story of the week.
Speaker 2: Our first story of the week ever, Our Mother Knows
Speaker 2: Death is the passing of Friends star Matthew Perry. He
Speaker 2: was fifty four years old, found in his home and
Speaker 2: an apparent drowning over the weekend. It's really sad. He
Speaker 2: had returned home from playing pickleball, which is an activity
Speaker 2: I engage, and so that's what all the hipsters do now,
Speaker 2: so definitely. But he had returned from playing a game
Speaker 2: of pickleball. His assistant slash friend had gone out to
Speaker 2: run some errands, and when she returned, he was dead.
Speaker 3: In the hot tub.
Speaker 2: And apparently this is getting looked into because he was.
Speaker 3: Not water logged.
Speaker 2: You kind of want to explain what that means because
Speaker 2: I don't really fully understand.
Speaker 1: Well. For the first thing, that just annoyed the shit
Speaker 1: out of me. I think the very first article you
Speaker 1: sent me on Saturday night said that he died from
Speaker 1: an apparent drowning, and I'm like, how do they know
Speaker 1: that already? They didn't even do.
Speaker 3: The autopsy yet. The guy had just died.
Speaker 1: What was it like an hour before the stork It
Speaker 1: was forty five minutes after the police were called the
Speaker 1: TMC had the article exactly, so I was like that,
Speaker 1: that's just speculation on their part. But I did see
Speaker 1: that they did perform the autopsy and they said that
Speaker 1: the results were preliminary and that it was pending. So
Speaker 1: let's talk about what those terms mean a little bit.
Speaker 1: When they say that when they do an autopsy within
Speaker 1: the first twenty four hours, they put out a report
Speaker 1: that's like the preliminary report, and that's just basically what
Speaker 1: did they see when they caught open the body. And
Speaker 1: they're saying that when they cut him open, they didn't
Speaker 1: see clear signs that he drowned in the hot tub,
Speaker 1: which means that he didn't have any fluid in his lungs.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you could get hemorrhage in the temporal bone that
Speaker 1: would be consistent with a drowning death, and they didn't
Speaker 1: see anything that was consistent with that. So what that
Speaker 1: tells me is that it's possible that he died and
Speaker 1: then he was underwater. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think that they're looking into this because
Speaker 2: he was really open with his struggles with addiction in
Speaker 2: the past. How fame really just got to his head.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was on the most famous sitcom of
Speaker 2: all time, arguably or not, because you know, people always
Speaker 2: fight that Seinfeld was more successful.
Speaker 3: But you know, are you in the Friends?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm obsessed with Friends, obsessed with Seinfeld. I love
Speaker 2: the ninety eighties nineties sitcom era.
Speaker 1: I think I like it, but I'm just kind of like,
Speaker 1: I'll watch it if it was on. I don't hate it,
Speaker 1: but I also just don't really care if I ever
Speaker 1: saw it again. It just doesn't really doesn't do anything
Speaker 1: for me. But yeah, he had an addiction from the
Speaker 1: time he was fourteen years old, I think, I believe,
Speaker 1: and he started drinking alcohol and then he started he
Speaker 1: was filming some kind of a movie and had an
Speaker 1: injury on a jet ski or something and started using
Speaker 1: opioid drugs and that's when his addiction really started, right,
Speaker 1: And so then he started having pathology associated with that
Speaker 1: because when you're on those types of drugs, it causes
Speaker 1: severe constipation. And he said that he had surgery because
Speaker 1: his colon burst, but to me, it was that he
Speaker 1: probably was so constipated that he had his balrupture. That's
Speaker 1: what happened. But then he ended up being in the
Speaker 1: hospital for an insane amount of time. I think he
Speaker 1: was in a coma after the surgery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in a coma for two weeks, hospitalized
Speaker 2: for five months from that surgery.
Speaker 1: Five months is an insane time to amount.
Speaker 2: Of that was only in And that was only in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen too, so that wasn't even that long ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you're talking about a person that's had severe
Speaker 1: stress on his heart, on his brain, He's had surgery,
Speaker 1: so he has adhesions. There's other things that could have
Speaker 1: happened besides him. Just what looks obvious is him drowning
Speaker 1: in the hot tub. Right, you could get hyperthermia. So
Speaker 1: when your body temperature, have you ever heard of the
Speaker 1: term homeostasis, that's when our body temperature. Our bodies function
Speaker 1: the best at ninety eight point six degrees. Our organs
Speaker 1: like that temperature. When they get too cold, they don't
Speaker 1: function right. When they get too hot, they don't function right.
Speaker 1: So when you're in a hot tub, and I think
Speaker 1: my hot tub goes to like one hundred and four,
Speaker 1: which is hot, your body's not even supposed to go
Speaker 1: over over. I mean, you know this is when you
Speaker 1: get a fever, right, You feel like shit? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if it goes over one hundred and four, you
Speaker 1: get in this you get in the danger zone of
Speaker 1: your organs basically shutting down, and that could have happened.
Speaker 1: He could have I mean, I believe that he was
Speaker 1: saying that he was clean again, but he could have
Speaker 1: not been clean. He could have not been telling us
Speaker 1: the truth, and he could have been on them on
Speaker 1: the pills and kind of like fell asleep or passed
Speaker 1: out and didn't really realize that it was getting so hot,
Speaker 1: or was kind of incapacitated. Right, So when the autopsy
Speaker 1: report says that it is pending, it's because they're waiting
Speaker 1: for further studies. So number one, they're waiting to look
Speaker 1: at slides under the microscope. Number two, which is most
Speaker 1: important with a person that has a history of abuse,
Speaker 1: is that they're waiting for toxicology to come back. So,
Speaker 1: for those of you who are not members of my website,
Speaker 1: which is called the Grossroom dot com, we do every
Speaker 1: single week we do a celebrity death or a high
Speaker 1: profile death dis section where we really break down these
Speaker 1: celebrity deaths and talk about the circumstances that were surrounding
Speaker 1: their death, how they died, and other things too, like
Speaker 1: their funeral, any controversy, any kind of criminal or lawsuits,
Speaker 1: anything like that. And how many have we done that?
Speaker 1: We've done hundreds of them. Like celebrity deaths, every single
Speaker 1: time a celebrity dies, we try to cover it, and
Speaker 1: we also do high profile deaths, And in this case,
Speaker 1: we'll definitely cover Matthew Perry whenever we get more information.
Speaker 1: But we're just gonna wait until the autopsy results come out.
Speaker 1: Right now, we're just speculating because we have no idea
Speaker 1: what really happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the weirdest thing I learned from this was
Speaker 2: his stepdad was Keith Morrison, the Dateline guy. So seeing
Speaker 2: pictures of Keith Morrison on this crime scene was kind
Speaker 2: of surreal crossing of my worlds of my stress relief
Speaker 2: of watching comedies and then my other guilty pleasure of
Speaker 2: watching Dateline and Forenzic files. So that was definitely a
Speaker 2: weird tidbit to learn in this.
Speaker 1: All right, So let's get into some other celebrity news
Speaker 1: that we have going on. We did we did learn
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, two weeks ago maybe that
Speaker 1: Suzanne Summer died.
Speaker 2: Yes, she had passed away recently and her initial cause
Speaker 2: of death was reported as breast cancer, so that has
Speaker 2: been confirmed now, and she did not receive an autopsy.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to ask you if it's standard to
Speaker 2: not get an autopsy if the illness is known beforehand.
Speaker 1: So that's a good question because a lot of people
Speaker 1: ask me that, and yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: Trust me.
Speaker 1: I've done plenty of autopsies on people that have had
Speaker 1: stage four cancer and they knew the person had stage
Speaker 1: four cancer ahead of time. It was just like the
Speaker 1: family just wanted it, you know. But in general, if
Speaker 1: a patient and their family knows why the person's dying,
Speaker 1: they usually don't want to have an autopsy. So she
Speaker 1: was diagnosed with breast cancer a long time ago, twenty
Speaker 1: three years ago, and she just it was open that
Speaker 1: this past July she had a recurrence. And it's not
Speaker 1: good if you were diagnosed so long ago and it
Speaker 1: pops up so many years later. And here we find
Speaker 1: out from her death certificate that indeed it was she
Speaker 1: had a mass in her brain, and they did a
Speaker 1: biopsy on it. So they go in and they do
Speaker 1: brain surgery and send a little piece down to pathology
Speaker 1: to see what it is, because sometimes it could be
Speaker 1: an infection or something else, so they just want to
Speaker 1: confirm what it is. And when they looked at it
Speaker 1: under the microscope, they could tell that it was metastatic
Speaker 1: breast cancer. So she doesn't technically have brain cancer. She
Speaker 1: has breast cancer that had spread to her brain. Now
Speaker 1: we're going to start with my personal favorite category of
Speaker 1: freak accidents, because these are the ones that are just
Speaker 1: so unexpected and sometimes really crazy shit happens. Especially with
Speaker 1: this first case, we're going to talk about this NHL
Speaker 1: former NA hockey player. His name is Adam Johnson. Do
Speaker 1: you want to get into it.
Speaker 3: Ray, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he used to play on our minor team, the Phantoms,
Speaker 2: but also played on the Pittsburgh Penguins. But he is
Speaker 2: an x NHL player. He was playing a game in
Speaker 2: England when a seemingly unfortunate accident unfolded where two players
Speaker 2: had collided and the other players skate flew up and
Speaker 2: slid him in the throat. So what was crazy about
Speaker 2: this video is when you first watch it, it's shocking,
Speaker 2: but you don't really notice what's happening at first. You
Speaker 2: just see him casually get up and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of blood and he skates right off of the ice,
Speaker 2: but he died a couple hours later at the hospital
Speaker 2: from the injury. And I, first of all, I can't
Speaker 2: even believe he got up and skated away, which my
Speaker 2: husband was saying is standard. They go through some pretty
Speaker 2: serious injuries and they're just used to just getting right
Speaker 2: off of the ice. But when you see the amount
Speaker 2: of blood and now know that it resulted in death,
Speaker 2: that's incredibly strange to see on video.
Speaker 3: And this case is.
Speaker 2: Just unfolding because now it's being investigated as a potential murder,
Speaker 2: which when I watched the video, I just was like,
Speaker 2: of course this accident could happen, and it had happened
Speaker 2: in the past, and it always brings up the question
Speaker 2: of should neck guards be required for players? And I
Speaker 2: guess there's certain rules regarding that.
Speaker 1: Is it definitely being investigated for that or is that
Speaker 1: just media buzz because the guy that caused the injury,
Speaker 1: which if I'm sure it was an accident, and if
Speaker 1: it was, it's horrible that this guy already has to
Speaker 1: go through this and now he has to be under
Speaker 1: this scrutiny through the media. But what do you think
Speaker 1: because I know that there was some controversy around this
Speaker 1: guy because he's been known to be kind of more
Speaker 1: of an aggressive player, right is that? I mean, I
Speaker 1: just want to know, is he really under police investigation
Speaker 1: or is this just what the news has created to
Speaker 1: get people to click on the story for drama. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think I don't really.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is buzz from the
Speaker 2: media saying. The last I read about it was that
Speaker 2: it was seemingly going to be under investigation. That totally
Speaker 2: could be a buzzword by media outlets. We know they
Speaker 2: really love to exaggerate everything, and I know it's been
Speaker 2: a really hotly debated topic of was it an accident
Speaker 2: or was it intentional? And I just think, let's say
Speaker 2: he intentionally was trying to check the player that ended
Speaker 2: up dying, or he was trying to hurt him or something.
Speaker 2: I don't think he just woke up and was like
Speaker 2: I'm going to murder somebody or hurt them severely like that.
Speaker 2: They all know how sharp these blades are. They're extremely thin,
Speaker 2: sharply made from titanium, and they know exactly the injuries
Speaker 2: that can result in them. So I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are not realizing how easily this accident could happen.
Speaker 2: Even last year, we just discussed a young high school
Speaker 2: player that had died from the same injury, and there's
Speaker 2: a really famous case from nineteen eighty nine where a
Speaker 2: goalie had also had his throat slip but lived.
Speaker 3: So I think this is an injury that happens all
Speaker 3: the time, but something.
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen all the time,
Speaker 1: not all the time. Sorry, it meant to be like
Speaker 1: it's it's.
Speaker 3: A rare thing, but it has a top.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's possible, but yeah, it's possible getting back to
Speaker 1: getting back to the sharpness of the blade and everything.
Speaker 3: That's that's to me. So when I.
Speaker 1: Watched the video and we have the video in the
Speaker 1: grocer and post it, obviously it's a very very short video.
Speaker 1: But in the video you see him kind of get
Speaker 1: knocked over and you don't really realize what happens at first,
Speaker 1: And like Maria said, he stands up and I swear
Speaker 1: he like looked at the pile of blood on the
Speaker 1: ground and that's when he like dropped again. But then
Speaker 1: he got up again. And when I see that much
Speaker 1: blood come out that fast, because this whole entire video
Speaker 1: was what like fifteen seconds. It happened so fast. I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, and artery is severed. That's how that much
Speaker 1: blood comes out that fast. And that's not good in
Speaker 1: your neck because that's your carotid artery. It brings all
Speaker 1: the oxygen to your brain and when that gets cut off,
Speaker 1: it's really bad news unless it gets repaired really really fast.
Speaker 3: I was actually.
Speaker 1: Reading that another player that this happened to there was
Speaker 1: some kind of army medic there that was used to
Speaker 1: these crazy injuries that went and compressed the vessels in
Speaker 1: his neck and that's how he was able to live
Speaker 1: from that injury. Oh wow, Yeah, I thought that that
Speaker 1: was pretty cool because I think that most people just
Speaker 1: freak out. But by the time you even called n
Speaker 1: I won wont or have the ambulance look at it.
Speaker 1: If you're not repairing that right away, there's just like
Speaker 1: nothing much they can do. And you saw all that
Speaker 1: blood that came out right away, Well, every single time
Speaker 1: your heart beat, that much more just pours out and
Speaker 1: pours out and pours out until it's all gone, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're dead.
Speaker 2: So I think coming out of this is they're trying
Speaker 2: to now regulate the use of different neck guards. So
Speaker 2: in the United States it's completely optional, whether you're a
Speaker 2: minor or not, and I believe most players opt out
Speaker 2: of wearing it because it's uncomfortable. But in the UK,
Speaker 2: where this incident occurred, it is mandatory that miners wear it.
Speaker 2: But this kid that died was twenty nine years old,
Speaker 2: so he didn't have to wear it if he didn't
Speaker 2: want to. And it's just I am believing to see
Speaker 2: this as a freak accident and not an intentional murder,
Speaker 2: because when you watch the video, I just think it's
Speaker 2: so hard to try to prove otherwise exactly.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: The next freaks accident is freaky too, because I have
Speaker 1: worked in a hospital for so much of my life,
Speaker 1: so it freaks me out. But apparently this happened in
Speaker 1: California that but a nurse was pushing a patient into
Speaker 1: an MRI room to get a scan when she felt
Speaker 1: the magnet of the MRI machine pushing towards her and
Speaker 1: the patient that was in the bed fell onto the floor,
Speaker 1: but the MRI machine basically sucked in the bed that
Speaker 1: the patient was on, trapping her between the bed and
Speaker 1: the MRI machine. She had to get surgery. She had
Speaker 1: a couple of screws or something from the MRI machine
Speaker 1: or from the bed embedded in her body and had
Speaker 1: to have surgery to remove it. And I just think, like, Ray,
Speaker 1: have you ever had an MRI? Yeah, a couple of times,
Speaker 1: and you know, they ask you like do you have
Speaker 1: any They make you take out your piercings and they
Speaker 1: say do you have any metal fragments in your eye?
Speaker 1: And do you you know that? All they ask you
Speaker 1: all those questions. Do you have any implants in your body?
Speaker 1: They ask you that because the MRI machine is takes
Speaker 1: pictures by using magnetic fields and it's essentially like a
Speaker 1: huge magnet.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 1: Like Gabe even says, my husband's a firefighter, and he
Speaker 1: even said that they're trained for that because they can't
Speaker 1: have certain gear on if they would go into that
Speaker 1: room because it could.
Speaker 3: It could really suck you in. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: But after they did the investigation and stuff, they saw
Speaker 1: that the hospital was like not following protocol. Shocker. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this incident happened in February, but the investigation
Speaker 2: has just wrapped up now and of course found that
Speaker 2: they weren't following protocol. Nobody was following protocol, so we
Speaker 2: definitely see these accidents happen more so when just everybody's
Speaker 2: kind of blowing off rules and not paying attention.
Speaker 3: As we know in the.
Speaker 1: Grocery room, I'm the rule follower of the group, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I you know what, though I'm the most non rule follower.
Speaker 1: You know that I'm your mom, right, but when it
Speaker 1: comes to certain things like that, I'm like a crazy
Speaker 1: role follower because I know that these things could happen
Speaker 1: and I can't even believe that. As part of the investigation,
Speaker 1: multiple things came out, but one of the biggest ones
Speaker 1: was that they didn't screen the nurse or the patient
Speaker 1: for metal. It's just like, how does that even happen?
Speaker 1: Because they're so crazy about it when you go get
Speaker 1: the test done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking of the few times I've had to
Speaker 2: get them done and just how hardcore they are about
Speaker 2: the screenings and all the pamphlets you have to read
Speaker 2: about taking everything out and them double checking once you
Speaker 2: get there. So it's just really hard to imagine this happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is I guess why it's newsworthy because it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: You know what else is not thinking about happening is
Speaker 1: our next story.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So this TikTok went viral. This woman had
Speaker 2: woken up in the middle of the night with this
Speaker 2: really eerie sensation in her ear. She goes to the
Speaker 2: doctor and it turns out this live spider was in
Speaker 2: her ear. Which I couldn't even read this whole story.
Speaker 2: It was skeeving me out so bad.
Speaker 1: It is kind of like your biggest fear is like,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously your biggest fear is a spider crawling
Speaker 1: up your vagina while you're sleeping.
Speaker 3: But I mean, that wasn't my biggest fear.
Speaker 1: But the next biggest sphere is one climbing into your
Speaker 1: ear hole while you're sleeping.
Speaker 2: Is Is it worse in your ear or your vagina?
Speaker 2: Because I never honestly thought of the first option.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know, I've never thought about this,
Speaker 1: but I feel like your vagina is more accessible, like
Speaker 1: you could stick your hands up there and kind of
Speaker 1: scoop it out, whereas like you can't get inside your
Speaker 1: inner ear only you only could get inside so far
Speaker 1: with a Q tip and really like a q K
Speaker 1: tip could push it all the way in even further,
Speaker 1: and you would hear it. That's why it would be worse.
Speaker 1: It just you would hear it in your ear. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. It's it sounds like if you went up
Speaker 1: to someone's ear and talk that close like that that stuff.
Speaker 1: Lilian says, ASMR. I don't even know whatever the weird
Speaker 1: sound thing or whatever, but yeah, so I personally think
Speaker 1: it would either would be worse. But then when they
Speaker 1: were saying so what happens is an insect could get
Speaker 1: in there and it could get like trapped up in
Speaker 1: the ear wax, which is gross. But then they were
Speaker 1: saying that they checked the ear to make sure that
Speaker 1: there were like no eggs left behind, like there's just
Speaker 1: all this mother shit that goes along with it. I
Speaker 1: would I would be freaked out forever, like something was
Speaker 1: gonna hatch in there. But then when the doctor got
Speaker 1: it out, the live spider fell on the woman's sweater,
Speaker 1: I know, and then they like chased it and like
Speaker 1: trapped it with a cup. No, I would vomit. I
Speaker 1: don't even want a live Like the kids.
Speaker 2: Last week they had the kids and there was a
Speaker 2: spider on my couch and they were freaking out so
Speaker 2: bad that they pushed the couch. So I can't even
Speaker 2: imagine one being in my ear. I didn't even think
Speaker 2: about the eggs part. Oh my god, I would be trauma.
Speaker 2: I would have to go every couple months to get
Speaker 2: that looked into.
Speaker 1: Just to make sure, you know that you can buy
Speaker 1: a thing online to the camera that you could hook
Speaker 1: it up to some kind of app. I was actually
Speaker 1: gonna get it, you could hook it up to. Well.
Speaker 1: I was gonna get it for Lillian because she always
Speaker 1: gets ear infections with her weird ear issue. So instead
Speaker 1: of like on Sunday night when it always happens that
Speaker 1: I got to go to urgent care or something ridiculous,
Speaker 1: I could just check myself and be like, no, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have any ear infection or whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would.
Speaker 1: I would have that camera and just be checking it
Speaker 1: all the time to see if I had a spider
Speaker 1: in my ear or like baby spider eggs hatching in
Speaker 1: my ear.
Speaker 2: And for those of you that don't know, Lillian is
Speaker 2: my younger sister.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's my ten year old. She's my middle child.
Speaker 3: But Maria was great and we love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ma, Maria was eighteen when she was born, so
Speaker 1: they have a huge age difference. They're actually further apart
Speaker 1: in age than Maria and I are, which is so weird.
Speaker 1: We have a very weird family. So now we're going
Speaker 1: to get into some violent crimes. The biggest story of
Speaker 1: the week has to do with the mass shooting that
Speaker 1: occurred in Maine.
Speaker 2: So last week there was a mass shooting in Maine.
Speaker 2: An active shooter had hit a restaurant and a bowling alley.
Speaker 2: As a result, there have been eighteen deaths. So what
Speaker 2: was really scary was that nobody could find this guy
Speaker 2: for over forty eight hours, So the entire area of
Speaker 2: Maine was on lockdown for that time. Which think about
Speaker 2: living in a small area and just being so scared
Speaker 2: to leave your house and that would not know what's
Speaker 2: going on. So after the forty eight hour search, they
Speaker 2: had found him. He had a self inflicted gunshot wound,
Speaker 2: and he was in an overflow parking lot where he
Speaker 2: used to work.
Speaker 1: So I think that the mass shootings are like one
Speaker 1: of the biggest fears I know a lot of like
Speaker 1: myself and friends of mind, you, everybody, family, we all
Speaker 1: have a big fear of this, and I think that
Speaker 1: the way that the current political systems set up, it's
Speaker 1: never going to get solved because everyone's just like I'm right, No,
Speaker 1: I'm right, and people just have a really hard time
Speaker 1: getting together and looking at similarities that each party has
Speaker 1: and differences each party has, and coming to agreements on things.
Speaker 3: And I think that this.
Speaker 1: Particular case is really a good one to maybe start that,
Speaker 1: because you have one side that says the guns are
Speaker 1: the problem, and then you have the other side saying
Speaker 1: that the mental health is the problem. And this case,
Speaker 1: as more and more details unfold, it's both of these
Speaker 1: things are problems, and both of these things need to
Speaker 1: be addressed, and it's actually shocking when you hear some
Speaker 1: of the details that are coming out about this case.
Speaker 3: Apparently, this guy, his name is Robert Carr.
Speaker 1: He was he was having he broke up with his
Speaker 1: girlfriend or something a couple months ago, back in February maybe,
Speaker 1: and then his family said that he started he took
Speaker 1: it very hard, and he started hearing voices and he
Speaker 1: started having mental crisis at that time, and his family
Speaker 1: reported that to the sheriff's office that they thought that
Speaker 1: he was that he was having serious problems. This was
Speaker 1: back in May, to the point where they said, he
Speaker 1: has access to firearms and we are worried about that,
Speaker 1: which I think is it takes a lot for a
Speaker 1: family to do something like that, Like imagine imagine doing
Speaker 1: that to one of your family members, and then imagine
Speaker 1: that information not not be used to help save lives basically, right,
Speaker 1: So those calls kind of nothing really came out of it.
Speaker 1: Then in July he had another he had another situation
Speaker 1: where they he's in the army, the former military. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we said that, he's not former military,
Speaker 1: actually right, he's active, he's an active member of the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was active military. And they also expressed concerns
Speaker 2: about his behavior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he I guess with part of his the
Speaker 1: voices that he started hearing, he started having this paranoia
Speaker 1: that people were talking about him and saying he was
Speaker 1: a pedophile, and it not it not only happened at
Speaker 1: his job, which when when they reported it, one of
Speaker 1: the soldiers actually said that they thought that he was
Speaker 1: at risk of snapping and he could carry out a
Speaker 1: mass shooting.
Speaker 3: That they they took him off of.
Speaker 1: They said that he was no longer allowed to use
Speaker 1: the firearms at the training. So but then the mental
Speaker 1: health services they go, they follow up, and like everything
Speaker 1: keeps falling through the cracks, like people were supposed to
Speaker 1: be checking to see if he had access to guns,
Speaker 1: and one thing led to another, and this guy, even
Speaker 1: with all this history, I'm telling you right now, he
Speaker 1: was So there's this there's like a yellow flag law
Speaker 1: in Maine that allows police to say that they're taking
Speaker 1: away firearms from somebody if they can get a doctor
Speaker 1: to sign off that the person is mentally unwell, and
Speaker 1: nobody used It appears that nobody tried to use that
Speaker 1: law to take this guy's firearms away. They just assumed
Speaker 1: he didn't have access to them. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Well the family had the brother had come forward and
Speaker 2: said that they had removed the ones they knew he
Speaker 2: had access to and had locked them in a family
Speaker 2: safe that he didn't have access to. It seems like
Speaker 2: ones he used in the shooting were newly acquired or
Speaker 2: unknown to family members.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's the thing, like who knows, right,
Speaker 1: who knows? But they are new And that's the other
Speaker 1: part of this is, how the hell would this guy
Speaker 1: so not only did he not have firearms taken away
Speaker 1: from him, I mean the family took them away, but
Speaker 1: the police didn't take them away, but then he was
Speaker 1: able to go out and buy new ones recently days
Speaker 1: before the shooting. Even having this history of this mental
Speaker 1: illness documented and through the US military, no less like
Speaker 1: it's just the combination of this case is just so disturbing.
Speaker 1: And how do you feel as a family member that
Speaker 1: your dad, your brother, your son, your daughter got shot
Speaker 1: and killed, that this all happened and this one hundred
Speaker 1: percent didn't have to happen. And as a citizen, now,
Speaker 1: how am I supposed to feel to know that there's
Speaker 1: another person like this, that that that's waiting to do this,
Speaker 1: that's not being taken seriously or not followed through with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad. And I was reading that the
Speaker 2: only treatment he received was he was observed for two
Speaker 2: weeks in July, which, if you're going through all of
Speaker 2: this and everybody in your in your life is coming
Speaker 2: forward saying that they're really concerned about you, I don't
Speaker 2: think two weeks of observation or treatment is going to
Speaker 2: be enough to kind of undo that. So I think
Speaker 2: that speaks volumes, and then they even had a wellness
Speaker 2: check as recently as September fifteenth on him, which resulted
Speaker 2: in nothing, like they couldn't find him and they did nothing.
Speaker 2: So it's just really horrifying to hear the.
Speaker 1: Only emotions of the wellness check if you can't find him,
Speaker 1: if you're not going to do anything, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just like such a complete failure.
Speaker 2: The only person that seemingly did something right was he
Speaker 2: had applied for to buy a silencer, and he checked
Speaker 2: that he had a history of mental health issues, and
Speaker 2: because he said yes to that question, that the comfor
Speaker 2: the store that he was trying to buy it from
Speaker 2: denied him the right to purchase the silencer. So that
Speaker 2: was the only case, that was the only situation in
Speaker 2: this whole story so far where I've seen somebody actually
Speaker 2: doing their job correctly.
Speaker 1: They by checking off being honest.
Speaker 2: No, this store owner actually read the paperwork and it
Speaker 2: rose a red flag and he marked it off and
Speaker 2: was like, I'm denying this purchase. So I think it's
Speaker 2: it's scary to know how many people just go through
Speaker 2: this and can just still legally obtain these and be
Speaker 2: very apparently open about all their problems and still acquire
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing I don't like about it, is
Speaker 1: like you're if I want to get it gone, and
Speaker 1: you're asking me, do you have mental health issues? Of
Speaker 1: course I'm going to put I don't even know why
Speaker 1: this guy put yes, honestly, like of course you're gonna
Speaker 1: put no, Like you're you're taking like a person's word
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 3: There's maybe he.
Speaker 2: Was testing the system and clearly in the long haul
Speaker 2: it failed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's another there's a lot more things about
Speaker 1: the how the investigation went down with this, with the
Speaker 1: particular the way that it took so long to find
Speaker 1: him even though he was right where around where his
Speaker 1: car was apparently, and all this, uh, I just the
Speaker 1: whole entire case just makes you think of like the
Speaker 1: that some law enforcements sometimes or just the government in general.
Speaker 1: It's just like such a clown show, like what are
Speaker 1: all these people doing. It's just a complete it's a
Speaker 1: complete failure in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Well, it was just typical of what we see in
Speaker 2: a lot of murder investigations where somebody gets on their
Speaker 2: high horse and they're like, this is my case, and
Speaker 2: then they what happened was the local police were really
Speaker 2: criticizing the state police handling of this job, and in
Speaker 2: and now deleted Facebook posts had referred to them as
Speaker 2: utter clowns.
Speaker 3: And saying that they weren't chiaochy. It is clowns.
Speaker 2: Well they are when it comes down to like, they're
Speaker 2: not vote, they're not communicating property properly with local and
Speaker 2: federal agencies, and then that overall affects everything. And we
Speaker 2: see it in so many murder cases where they're serial
Speaker 2: killers going all over the country and the police departments
Speaker 2: refuse to talk to one another, or it's police apartment
Speaker 2: of one town won't talk to the one in the
Speaker 2: next town over. And if they just simply was like, hey,
Speaker 2: did have you had anything like this happened recently, then
Speaker 2: crimes would get solved so much faster sometimes. So it's
Speaker 2: really stupid to take ownership over something as serious as
Speaker 2: this when millions of not millions, well millions of people
Speaker 2: in the country are scared, but also all of the
Speaker 2: people on lockdown living in that area are terrified and
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't even believe that, because think about this,
Speaker 1: if you live in Maine, and it's a small town
Speaker 1: that I think they had like barely any crime. It's documented, right,
Speaker 1: it's probably a town where people sleep with their doors unlocked, right,
Speaker 1: they don't have a firearm and stuff, Like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: feel safe being in my house knowing that a guy
Speaker 1: that just killed eighteen people and tried to kill many
Speaker 1: more that's heavily armed, can potentially break into my house
Speaker 1: with my children here without having my own firearm. But like,
Speaker 1: those people might not even have a firearm because they
Speaker 1: might live in such a safe area that they're not
Speaker 1: even it's not even on their radar. Like, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine how scared the citizens were that were living around there.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying.
Speaker 2: Well, the one article I read said, the number of
Speaker 2: people that died from this mass shooting last week is
Speaker 2: only a few less than the annual number of murders
Speaker 2: in Maine per year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the whole state command that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'm kind of like I want to I
Speaker 1: would have with that statistic, But I mean, obviously, this
Speaker 1: is an incident that was really horrible and they weren't
Speaker 1: expecting it, especially with having such low crime rate.
Speaker 3: But I was shocked by that number.
Speaker 2: Honestly, because I'm like, go Maine for having good crime
Speaker 2: stats like that, obviously with the exception of this horrific incident.
Speaker 2: But it is just the whole thing's just really scary,
Speaker 2: and I just I can't even imagine. The little glimpse
Speaker 2: of this we had was when that prisoner was escaped
Speaker 2: a couple last month or two months ago, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't even an our direct area, but it was in
Speaker 2: my in laws area, and just this guy that had
Speaker 2: been in jail for murdering his ex girlfriend or his
Speaker 2: girlfriend in front of her two kids. It's scary to
Speaker 2: know this person's on the loose and living in the
Speaker 2: woods and breaking into people's homes.
Speaker 3: For food and clothing.
Speaker 2: So I can't even imagine living through something this severe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, And of course, unfortunately this is just
Speaker 1: something that we're gonna talk about all the time, which
Speaker 1: I hate it.
Speaker 3: I just hate it so bad.
Speaker 1: But there was another potential serious mass shooting that got
Speaker 1: that didn't happen at an amusement park in Colorado that
Speaker 1: was called Glenwood Cavern's Adventure Park. Apparently it seems like
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the anarchista place we go to
Speaker 1: it seems like a place you have to get in
Speaker 1: these gondolas to go up to a mountain to get
Speaker 1: to it, and it's off season right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they were slated to open in about a month,
Speaker 2: and when they were doing routine checks, they found a
Speaker 2: twenty year old man with tactical gear in the women's
Speaker 2: restroom deceased, and they believed he could have carried out
Speaker 2: a potentially really horrific either mass shooting or set off
Speaker 2: bombs or just a horrible mass casual.
Speaker 1: He had lots of ammunition on him, he had IED's,
Speaker 1: he had written on the wall, I am not a killer,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, and this is like a maintenance guy
Speaker 1: finds this guy and they automatically were like, all right,
Speaker 1: this isn't like a routine, routine suicide. My question is, though,
Speaker 1: is that if they weren't going to be open for
Speaker 1: another month, like, what was he doing there?
Speaker 3: They they said that.
Speaker 1: He probably had to go up a service road to
Speaker 1: and and kind of broke in and trespassed because the
Speaker 1: place isn't open, But what was he doing there? Was
Speaker 1: he going to like plant stuff around? Like why was
Speaker 1: he that one month's fried? It's so weird.
Speaker 2: Well, I was thinking he was either there, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know why he had all that on him, but
Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's what you were just saying, he was
Speaker 2: planning stuff or he was trying to get the lay
Speaker 2: of the land. Also, my first thought was, how did
Speaker 2: he get in there and nobody noticed it, because even
Speaker 2: if they were off season, there has to be cameras around,
Speaker 2: so nobody picked that up at all, which is really concerning,
Speaker 2: and the fact that this was discovered, Like, thank goodness
Speaker 2: this ended without some mass casualty event happening, but it's
Speaker 2: still really disturbing to know the potential behind it.
Speaker 1: I wish all of these would happen like this, because
Speaker 1: all of these people end up killing themselves. So just like,
Speaker 1: why don't you just kill yourself and not drag everybody
Speaker 1: else down with you.
Speaker 3: It's just it's.
Speaker 1: Seriously, I don't I really don't understand it. But so,
Speaker 1: so this just happened what two days ago, were yesterday
Speaker 1: or something, so that this story's still unraveling. But they
Speaker 1: interviewed his brother apparently and said that he was very
Speaker 1: distant from the family, he wouldn't talk to them, and
Speaker 1: that he stayed up all night and played Call of Duty,
Speaker 1: which I'm not sure if we could have a conversation
Speaker 1: one day too about the whole video game situation, because
Speaker 1: that's what you do in that game, right, is simulate
Speaker 1: killing people that.
Speaker 2: And I even had a discussion with you last week
Speaker 2: because the kids were playing Roadblocks and they were like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just shot him, and I'm like, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about? And there's a Cops and Robbers game in Roadblocks,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, this is great to make a gun
Speaker 2: or oriented game about killing people for a game specifically
Speaker 2: designed for young children.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is is that these games have existed
Speaker 1: since the time I was a kid that I remember
Speaker 1: playing games like that on Nintendo and stuff. We even
Speaker 1: our Nintendo when I was a kid had a gun
Speaker 1: like instead of a controller. So I think it was
Speaker 1: for like duck hunt or something. I mean, you were
Speaker 1: shooting animals or whatever.
Speaker 3: But still.
Speaker 1: I think there's that Some people say that there's a correlation,
Speaker 1: and then other people are like I know people that
Speaker 1: are like I personally know people that have played Coal
Speaker 1: Duty and they don't kill anybody. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: just another piece of the puzzle. I guess you would say,
Speaker 1: but this this kid, he's only twenty years old, Like
Speaker 1: nothing's coming up on him so far, not even a
Speaker 1: parking ticket.
Speaker 3: So it's like you have Robert cart.
Speaker 1: On the one hand from the main shooting that has
Speaker 1: this whole rap sheet and this whole history, and then
Speaker 1: you have this guy, which is even scarier to be honest,
Speaker 1: because how would you even pick this up. He's just
Speaker 1: under the radar, basically, is what they're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, it's definitely really scary to
Speaker 2: think about, especially with what has happened in main last week,
Speaker 2: but not fortunately because a person's life is still ended.
Speaker 2: But fortunately it didn't result in this mass casualty event
Speaker 2: happening in a theme park being affected because honestly, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't even go to that theme park hearing this, because
Speaker 2: how did this guy even get in there, And they're
Speaker 2: saying it was unclear how long he was there he
Speaker 2: was even in there, let alone disease.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think, I think you say that you wouldn't go there,
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of like, that's the safest place in
Speaker 1: the world right now, because they're gonna like they're gonna
Speaker 1: be on that place. But yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know, just like I hate I hate having to
Speaker 1: talk about this. I just I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Talk about this.
Speaker 1: I just I it really, it really is just scary
Speaker 1: to every single time we go somewhere, we go to
Speaker 1: the boardwalk, we go anywhere where, there's just a bunch
Speaker 1: of people trick or treating anything. You're just like always
Speaker 1: thinking about this stuff, and it's terrible, Like I just
Speaker 1: want to enjoy my life and not have to worry
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, Well, do you want to move on to
Speaker 3: some lighter fare, Yes, of course.
Speaker 1: This section is always is always the is entertaining, you
Speaker 1: would say, usually right for the most part, but sometimes
Speaker 1: there's upsetting stories.
Speaker 3: But this is this is a weird one. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie.
Speaker 2: So and our first medical well, our only medical story
Speaker 2: today is about the excessive donations of used sex toys
Speaker 2: to thrift stores.
Speaker 3: So, oh, you know what.
Speaker 1: I just thought that we were talking about the category
Speaker 1: the following category of other dead other dead bodies or
Speaker 1: whatever that is, but which which is usually entertaining, medical
Speaker 1: is not is not usually entertaining, but this particular subject
Speaker 1: is very entertaining.
Speaker 3: Use sex toys. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So a thrift store in the United Kingdom, which
Speaker 2: is primarily a children's charity, has had to issue a
Speaker 2: public statement begging people to stop donating use sex toys.
Speaker 1: So ew, okay, the thing is is that, don't you
Speaker 1: think it's kind of funny that, like their major concern
Speaker 1: was because it's a children's charity, Like what about a
Speaker 1: used sex toy putting it in the thrift store and
Speaker 1: somebody buying it and using it, because because that could happen,
Speaker 1: they sell like our thrift store sells weird shit. You've
Speaker 1: seen underwear there. You've seen weird stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you get at least I'm not justified as
Speaker 2: I'm saying you to lease wash or bleach underwear. And
Speaker 2: I guess you could also clean a dildough. But just
Speaker 2: the balls on people to donate something like that is
Speaker 2: really gross.
Speaker 3: Please just throw it out.
Speaker 2: And I guess I guess the thrift store's main concern
Speaker 2: was that they have teenagers volunteering there, so they were like,
Speaker 2: please stop exposing our children and donating these objects because
Speaker 2: they're inappropriate. But to what you said, nobody's worried about
Speaker 2: the sanitary factor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's It's true, like bacteria or whatever is
Speaker 1: one thing, but like if someone uses a sex toy
Speaker 1: and doesn't really clean it off and brings it to
Speaker 1: a thrift store, like HPV hepatitis herpes can live on
Speaker 1: surfaces for.
Speaker 3: Days to weeks, So like that's a live.
Speaker 1: Active virus that you can transmit that way, and that
Speaker 1: that to me, just that should be the biggest concern
Speaker 1: of this article. Not little kids seeing it. But you know,
Speaker 1: a teenager might want to get a dildo half price.
Speaker 1: They can be pretty pricey. They're like they're like eighty
Speaker 1: dollars sometimes.
Speaker 2: I I guess, but I just I don't even know
Speaker 2: the type of person who would make such a purchase
Speaker 2: at that location.
Speaker 1: So well, do you know, you know what Franny Fine
Speaker 1: always says is that this is the time that you
Speaker 1: always buy retail.
Speaker 3: You never go, you never go. You never shop retail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you never you never get you never get this
Speaker 1: half price something like a dildo, because it's too good
Speaker 1: to be true, so you want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you pay full price for it. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certain things you most definitely should buy brand
Speaker 2: new out of a box, and I'm gonna wrap this
Speaker 2: in that category. Because it's pretty disgusting. Yeah, there's a few.
Speaker 1: I am. I'm like a huge person thrift person. I
Speaker 1: like to get buy things that are antique stores and
Speaker 1: everything like that. But there's certain things that like you
Speaker 1: just don't by used. And it's definitely like things that
Speaker 1: you insert into your body.
Speaker 2: AE hundred percent. So back to I guess finalizing our sections.
Speaker 2: With the other death news which you teased a little
Speaker 2: bit earlier. There was this insane story out of Alabama
Speaker 2: where these people had just purchased a home and they
Speaker 2: were doing cleanup and there was a refrigerator unplugged in
Speaker 2: the backyard, so as they start cleaning up around it,
Speaker 2: they open it and find a human hand inside.
Speaker 3: Like could you imagine like this?
Speaker 1: I just think of like this young couple just like
Speaker 1: cleaning up the backyard and la da dah.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh yeah, there's a human hand in there. No,
Speaker 2: I really can't imagine it. And they're saying it's the
Speaker 2: body of a deceased nineteen year old. He had aparent
Speaker 2: him and his parents had apparently rented the house before
Speaker 2: it was eventually sold to this now new couple who
Speaker 2: found the body and they think he had been in
Speaker 2: there since potentially since June.
Speaker 1: Well he had he was suffering from spina bifida, so
Speaker 1: they the parents were the caregivers of the kid. And
Speaker 1: I guess they think that the parents are under charges
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: They think they got arrested for his murder. They got arrested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm not sure exactly if they really determined
Speaker 1: what the cause of his death was. But yeah, could
Speaker 1: you imagine that just you bought a house and finding
Speaker 1: that because people always leave their shit in the house.
Speaker 1: When I moved in here, there was like a bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff we had to move out, and you had
Speaker 1: a couple of things at your house too, right, just
Speaker 1: imagine like going through that.
Speaker 2: I've heard some nefarious tales about the people that used
Speaker 2: to live in my home. Yeah, so I don't even
Speaker 2: want to know what could potentially be fine the No.
Speaker 1: I know that's true, actually, So I don't know, don't
Speaker 1: get into that right now.
Speaker 3: That might be the either.
Speaker 1: Episode that that could be a very special way down
Speaker 1: the road episode because it's kind of really gross.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I having just bought a home.
Speaker 2: In the last couple of years, I certainly can't imagine
Speaker 2: finding a discovery like this. I would be so disturbed,
Speaker 2: and just the fridge was unplugged, so imagine how gnarly
Speaker 2: that must have been in there. And they're saying they
Speaker 2: found a hand, but I'm assuming that's the only recognizable.
Speaker 1: They probably lifted the lid. It probably smelled terrible. They
Speaker 1: probably opened it to see because they they more than
Speaker 1: likely thought it was like rotting meat because it's a freezer.
Speaker 3: And they technically it was.
Speaker 1: They opened Yeah, you're right, they opened the lid, they
Speaker 1: see a hand, and they probably shut the lid really fast,
Speaker 1: called the police. The police came, and then they said
Speaker 1: that's they identified it as the body, like they found
Speaker 1: the whole body in there. So I'm not sure that
Speaker 1: it was dismembered. It just seems like maybe all they
Speaker 1: saw was the hand laying up there. But I just
Speaker 1: like what I found a broken record in my wall
Speaker 1: that was labeled star Spangled banner. That's all the good
Speaker 1: stuff I found in my wall.
Speaker 2: I'm sure we could do an entire episode of users
Speaker 2: submissions of weird stuff people have found in their walls.
Speaker 3: That might be really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, actually, yeah totally.
Speaker 2: So I want to wrap up. Every week, we're gonna
Speaker 2: answer a couple questions so they could be towards my mom, me,
Speaker 2: both of us together. So the first couple questions we
Speaker 2: have today, first is from our good friend Amy Loughran.
Speaker 2: So she wants to know have you ever felt a
Speaker 2: ghost watching you while performing an autopsy?
Speaker 1: So Amy's the good nurse if you guys aren't familiar
Speaker 1: with her name, and we love her. I got to
Speaker 1: meet her in September at the Wow conference and I
Speaker 1: just love her. We went out to dinner and we
Speaker 1: actually have to tell this story about Gabe, about the pictures.
Speaker 3: So we go out to dinner.
Speaker 1: It was Mekara, Amy and Gabe and we went out
Speaker 1: to dinner to this like really nice Italian restaurant and
Speaker 1: we're eating and we're having a good time and we're laughing,
Speaker 1: and the waiter comes over to us and says, oh,
Speaker 1: like we're taking like selfies with each other. And he's like,
Speaker 1: do you want me to take a picture of the
Speaker 1: whole table? So we're like, yeah, sure, and so Cara,
Speaker 1: I think it was Kara, hands over her phone to
Speaker 1: this waiter and I automatically was like, what is this
Speaker 1: dude doing.
Speaker 3: He's all like over me with the.
Speaker 1: Thing and I'm like, you know, we always Me and
Speaker 1: Maria always complained that, like Gabe takes the worst pictures
Speaker 1: of us ever because he always like puts the camera
Speaker 1: down like this, and I'm like, dude, like go above
Speaker 1: my chin. You're getting it makes me look you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the guy's taking this weird angle and I
Speaker 1: already know like it's it's not going to look good.
Speaker 1: And she takes back the phone and she doesn't look
Speaker 1: at it right away way, and we're sitting there eating dinner,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, I look over at
Speaker 1: Kara and Gabe and they're like crying, laughing, Like Kara,
Speaker 1: Kara's like hyper ventilating and can't breathe because of the picture.
Speaker 1: So we all look at it. I have to where
Speaker 1: can I post this, like somewhere so every so so
Speaker 1: they can see it.
Speaker 3: I'll just post it in I can pull it up.
Speaker 1: I could pull it up really quick because I have
Speaker 1: it as Gabe's context. Oh no, yeah, you have what
Speaker 1: could you pull up the whole photo though? Somehow because
Speaker 1: it's just so good like it it looks like Gabe
Speaker 1: is like five hundred pounds and me maybe three hundred
Speaker 1: pounds the guy had some kind of like why, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know if you put like the fish eye, do
Speaker 3: we have a fish eyelands on the I think it
Speaker 3: could be.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the hell this guy did,
Speaker 1: but you would think since he offered to take our
Speaker 1: picture at.
Speaker 3: The restaurant that he would know what he was doing.
Speaker 3: And it is.
Speaker 1: It's just looks so funny. And then Cara and Amy
Speaker 1: look completely normal. It's just like it's like the toniest
Speaker 1: picture of all time. Well, I don't have the full photo,
Speaker 1: but I have.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she's holding up she's holding up a photo
Speaker 1: when Gabe calls her, that's what it looks like. So
Speaker 1: it's it's hilarious.
Speaker 3: It just it just looks so funny. It just was
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, getting back, what's what's Amy's question? She
Speaker 1: wants to know if I see that you.
Speaker 2: Ever felt a ghost watching you when you cut open
Speaker 2: their body? Sorry I misphrased it earlier.
Speaker 1: No, I so we had one of the labs that
Speaker 1: I used to work at I when I worked with Frank,
Speaker 1: who's my was my former autopsy partner and I love
Speaker 1: him so much. We would there was a guy that
Speaker 1: was working there that was a histotech, but then on
Speaker 1: the weekends he was like a ghost hunter and he
Speaker 1: always used to come in the morgue and be like,
Speaker 1: I really want to have a reading with you guys,
Speaker 1: and like clear this area out, and Frank would be like.
Speaker 3: May get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 1: It was just so good because like when you when
Speaker 1: you cut open dead people for a living, you don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about ghosts and stuff because no, no,
Speaker 1: And also like we do it so much and I've
Speaker 1: never had like a paranormal experience with that, and I
Speaker 1: feel like, not only have I done so many autopsies,
Speaker 1: but like I used to release all the bodies to
Speaker 1: the funeral home. I used to take care of the morgue,
Speaker 1: go down there, take the fridge temperatures every day. Like
Speaker 1: I've been around so many dead people, I feel like
Speaker 1: they would be bothering me all the time.
Speaker 3: But maybe I don't know. But to answer your question, no,
Speaker 3: all right, sorry, I think.
Speaker 2: Our second question is do you have some advice for
Speaker 2: new PA's or students.
Speaker 1: Yes, don't know, I'm just joking. Yeah, if you want to, well,
Speaker 1: if you're a PA student, I guess you already know
Speaker 1: that you want to do this as a job, and
Speaker 1: hopefully you shadowed a PA to make sure that you
Speaker 1: definitely want to do this, because I feel like as
Speaker 1: much as I've done a service to this field, I've
Speaker 1: also done a disservice because I make it look super
Speaker 1: glamorous to be a PA, and it sometimes the.
Speaker 3: Job really sucks.
Speaker 1: So you need to go and make sure that it's
Speaker 1: something that you can do for a living. Because most
Speaker 1: of the time the lab is like in the basement,
Speaker 1: or it's in some kind of room in the hospital
Speaker 1: that's hidden. There's no windows. Oftentimes there's no you just
Speaker 1: you go and work in the morning and it's dark out,
Speaker 1: and you leave at night and it's dark out. You
Speaker 1: don't even know what time of day it is because
Speaker 1: there's no windows and you're not around people. It's not
Speaker 1: like the active part of the hospital. I personally like
Speaker 1: that because I don't like people, but like some people
Speaker 1: like to be around other people. So I think that
Speaker 1: you should always obviously shadow someone before you even decide
Speaker 1: to go to PA school. Once you're in PA school,
Speaker 1: I think that the best thing to do is to
Speaker 1: get some kind of a job in the lab, like
Speaker 1: don't work at Starbucks on the weekends, even if it
Speaker 1: pays more money. I know money is an issue because
Speaker 1: I'm a person and I was poor a huge part
Speaker 1: of my life. So it was like heart, you know,
Speaker 1: I was in school and I had her, I was
Speaker 1: a single mom. I had to work full time and
Speaker 1: go to school full time, and like I so get
Speaker 1: I get the money thing. But try really hard to
Speaker 1: get your foot in the door at the hospital in general,
Speaker 1: at the hospital, like even if you could work at
Speaker 1: the cafeteria at the hospital versus Starbucks, but mainly try
Speaker 1: to get into the lab of the hospital, even if
Speaker 1: you're just like putting specimens in the computer and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like the best foot in the door ever.
Speaker 3: That's that's my advice.
Speaker 2: That's really good advice. So if you guys want to
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Speaker 1: Awesome, please leave some for Maria this time, because I
Speaker 1: would really like I don't need to answer any questions.
Speaker 2: I'm like, unless you need to know what's happening on
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really awesome space to have good conversations.
Speaker 2: Even if people don't agree with each other, they're definitely
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Speaker 3: And if you.
Speaker 2: Really like this podcast, you'll definitely like everything else going
Speaker 2: on there. So I think it's even as me that
Speaker 2: wants to pass out every time we.
Speaker 3: Talk about blood or I see it, which I've been.
Speaker 2: Good today, Okay, but yeah, it's it's digestible for the
Speaker 2: regular person, and that's the coolest part of it.
Speaker 1: So wait, I have a question, since since needles bother you,
Speaker 1: does the whole like slicing of the throat thing bother you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not as much. I just can't explain it.
Speaker 2: I think we've come to the conclusion I might have
Speaker 2: white coat syndrome, where I think I think of going
Speaker 2: to the doctor. When I'm at the doctor, that's when
Speaker 2: I get really queasy because I've been as a hobby
Speaker 2: embroidering a lot lately and I stab myself quite often
Speaker 2: by accident, and it doesn't bother me at all.
Speaker 3: I just I just can't get to the root of it.
Speaker 1: I think it's like fluid coming out.
Speaker 3: I don't like.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I really don't no, No, I'm having
Speaker 2: a hard time figuring out where the root of it
Speaker 2: is so I could get over my almost thirty year
Speaker 2: long life time fear.
Speaker 3: You might have to talk to.
Speaker 1: A psychiatrist about this and see if your mother induced
Speaker 1: any kind of like childhood trauma on you or something.
Speaker 3: Do you think seeing an.
Speaker 1: Autopsy at eight years old, perhaps you were like thirteen.
Speaker 3: Please, that's kind of young.
Speaker 1: If you were old enough, it's fine, You're good, eh.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, well, thanks so much.
Speaker 1: It was great having you on our first episode and
Speaker 1: let us know, give us some feedback. Bye bye, Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,
Speaker 1: my training is as a pathologist assistant. I have a
Speaker 1: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.
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Speaker 1: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of
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