1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: am Chris Harrison coming to you with a breaking news 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: edition of the most dramatic podcast ever. We dropped a 5 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: podcast earlier on this Thursday about Mike Flie, the creator 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: of The Bachelor, leaving the franchise. They announced it early 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning, the night after the franchise finale, and it 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: was kind of a nice departure that he was just 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: stepping away. Laura and I in our podcast mentioned that 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: there just seemed to be more to this story. And 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: I also knew, and I talked about this, that I 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: knew of several journalists that were working on stories. Well, 13 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: I thought the other shoe would drop. I just didn't 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: know it would happen this quickly. So we are coming 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: to you again late Thursday night. It's now about ten 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: o'clock Austin time, Central time. Three articles have now dropped 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: about this situation, one from Variety, one from Deadline that 18 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: goes kind of deep into an ABC overall deal, and 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: then a very interesting bombshell article written by Matt Bellany, 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: a journalist who has an industry newsletter called the Puck 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: and he is also the host of an industry podcast 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: called The Town. I track Matt down. He's nice enough 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: to join me live tonight to talk about all of this. Matt, 24 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: what have you discovered? So, Mike Flice, the creator of 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: The Bachelor, someone you must know, Yes, very well, my 26 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: boss for twenty years. Yes, he announced this past week 27 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: that he was leaving the show after twenty one years. 28 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: And it was a very flowery statement, filled with inspirational 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: language about how everyone helped him and you know, he's 30 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: very excited about the future and it's the right time 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: to step down. So I learned this week that that 32 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: wasn't the case. You came out in this article and 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: the headline reads, The Bachelor loses its cold black heart. 34 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: Your first sentence, A round of applause on the Warner 35 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: Brothers lot is probably in order, for she's the Warner 36 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: Brothers attorney who investigated this. What made you feel so 37 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: comfortable coming out firing in this article? Well, Slice is 38 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: one of those notorious figures. And it's weird talking to 39 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: you about this because I know you're not allowed to 40 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: talk about it, but sort of I know you know, 41 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: and you can't say this stuff I can, because obviously 42 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm not involved with the show in any way. But 43 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: he was a pretty notorious figure in the reality TV community, 44 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: known as just kind of being a jerk and vindictive 45 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: and you know, going after people he perceived to be 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: his end means. And he had this thing where he 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: did not believe that the Bachelor franchise should be racially diverse, 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: and his arguments, according to people that I've talked to, 49 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: stem from the fact that the audience he didn't believe 50 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: would like it, and he was forced to make changes 51 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: over the years. But many people who worked on The 52 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: Bachelor felt that he was not the right person to 53 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: be there, and there were complaints that were made about him, 54 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: and that culminated with this Warner Brothers investigation that I 55 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: wrote about this week. And it looks like you know, 56 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: in reading through your article, and by the way, there's 57 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: also now three three articles have dropped. There's the Variety article, 58 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: a Deadline article has dropped about an ABC deal. You 59 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: and I are going to get to that here in 60 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: just a little bit. And of course your article that 61 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: is in um on Puck and I'm sure we'll be 62 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: talking about it on your podcast The Town. You know. 63 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: One thing I can say is it was interesting when 64 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: I even when I was on the show, and then 65 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: afterwards when I would go into meetings, pitch meetings, what 66 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: have you, people would always stop and say, okay, but 67 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: first you got to tell us stories. You gotta tell 68 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: us what was it really like? There really was? And 69 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: I take it this is what I want to hear 70 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: from you, because you are known industry wide. What was 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: the feeling? What do you what was the idea of 72 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: Mike Flice out there? He was this dark genius that 73 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: people believed had an idea originally for a show that 74 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: cut through. There were a million dating shows out there, 75 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: and this one became the huge franchise. Why is that so? 76 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you would argue and had a 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: great host that was mostly it. Timing is timing is everything. 78 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: It was lightning in a bottle. I think it hit 79 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: the right chord at the right time, and it was 80 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: produced very well, very well produced, and it appeared during 81 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: that there was this cauldron of creativity in nineteen ninety 82 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 1: nine to two thousand and two where most of the 83 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 1: big reality franchises that still power the industry today. We're 84 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: talking millionaire Survivor, Big Brother, American Idol, The Bachelor. Those 85 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: shows all debuted in that three year period between ninety 86 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: nine and two thousand and two, and it was right 87 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: when people were accepting of this format. And here comes 88 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: this very well produced dating show that has a mix 89 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: of fantasy and this darker, kind of machiavellian twist on 90 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: it where the women are all competing for the affection 91 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: of a man, and it struck a chord and he 92 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: was definitely part of that. From everything that I have, 93 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: everyone I've talked to said, this is not a guy 94 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: who got lucky and attached himself to something that was 95 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: going to be a hit. Regardless, he absolutely contributed to 96 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: the success, especially in the early years of the show. 97 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: But other than Bachelor and Bachelor related shows, he never 98 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: created another show that was a hit, and he became 99 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: a presence on the show that was I don't want 100 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: to use the word toxic. I think that gets thrown 101 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: around a lot, but people that work on the show 102 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: did not consider him a positive influence. You know, you 103 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: mentioned in the article you called his farewell statement ridiculous, 104 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: and part of that statement really seemed to try to 105 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: distance Mike from the show. And they actually used the 106 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: term ten years that he hadn't really been a part 107 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: of those show for the last decade. You took issue 108 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, he's still around, he's you know, it's 109 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: a sporadic appearance. From everything that I have heard, he 110 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: was still involved. And why were they trying to distance 111 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: in that statement? Why were they trying in your mind 112 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: as a lawyer, putting on your lawyer hat because I 113 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: know you are, Why try to distance him from the 114 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: franchise like that. Well, there's there's controversies that have played 115 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: out over the past decade. I mean, namely the show. 116 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: There was a discrimination complaint filed against the show, claiming 117 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: that it systematically excluded black people. And there were the 118 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: personal scandals that he had, I mean, he was he 119 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: was accused of beating his pregnant wife, which he has denied. 120 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: He got into this fight with his neighbor in Malibu 121 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: where he allegedly was playing loud barking noises in the 122 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: middle of the night, and you know, got into the 123 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: controversy there. There was everything that happened that led to 124 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: your exit from the show, and the controversy surrounding the 125 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: Matt James season of the Bachelor. So there's a lot 126 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: of stuff that this show has endured. I mean, to 127 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: its credit, it still has an audience, although the audience 128 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: has gone down significantly over the past few years, but 129 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: it's still endures and I think ABC and Warner Brothers 130 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: would like it to continue on. Well does it I 131 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: think that's the multi multimillion dollar question. Does it endure? Matt? 132 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: You know much has been made and you mentioned as 133 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: much in your article about the ratings. Obviously they've been 134 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: declining show after show, season after season, and you know 135 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: this Monday's finale was the lowest in history. Does this 136 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: show endure? Does this show survive? I think it does 137 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: because as much as the ratings have declined, it's still 138 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: generating an audience larger than other stuff you put in 139 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: that place. It is a franchise that people know, and 140 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: we are not seeing the streaming numbers for the show. 141 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: For all we know, the streaming numbers are large, the 142 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: magical streaming numbers that nobody really ever knows and people 143 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: can talk about. I know, I know, but you gotta 144 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: assume that there is an audience for this show that 145 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: is finding it on streams. There definitely is still an 146 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: audience for this show. There's still an appetite for it. 147 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously the social relevance is is diminished incredibly, 148 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: so have the ratings. But as you said, even if 149 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: you're just taking the network ratings, it's still viable. It 150 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: still makes money. They they definitely need this to stay. Yeah, 151 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: and I could see other franchise elements going away before 152 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: the flagship goes away. You know, maybe they don't need 153 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Bachelor in Paradise right or hours start getting cut down, 154 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: it moves nights. Yeah, there's a Bachelor at every other year. 155 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: It'll be death by a thousand paper cuts. It's not 156 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: going to be the guillotine, is what you're saying. Yeah, 157 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: and I and I don't you know, or maybe they 158 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: figure out some way to reinvent it. You know. One 159 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: of the criticisms of the show is that it feels 160 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: very familiar. Each year. It's been on for twenty one years, 161 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: You're going to be familiar with it. It's a format 162 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: in these contestants are plugged into a format, and that's 163 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: part of the reason why it endures. You know, what 164 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: you're getting one thing I want to dive into. You 165 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: mentioned it and then the Deadline article really went into this, 166 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: and let's try and explain this in layman's terms so 167 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: everybody can kind of understand the impact of why this 168 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: is important. I'll give everybody the set up because it's 169 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: kind of hard to explain that The Bachelor itself is 170 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: owned by a production company, Mike Flice's production company, Next Entertainment. 171 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: Next Entertainment is kind of owned and operated was owned 172 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: and operated by Warner Brothers, Warner Horizon. That's the studio 173 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: we were on ABC, So that's the network we were on. 174 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: So it's kind of a three headed monster, if you will. 175 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: Somewhere along the way, Mike was offered an overall deal 176 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: at ABC. That's the report, and you and Deadline both 177 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: have said that overall deal is dead. Can you explain 178 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more about how someone would go from 179 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: Warner in this situation to ABC? Why is this significant? Well, 180 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: it's significant because presumably if Mike flies is based at 181 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers, they would want all of his producing services 182 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: and all capacities for anything he does outside of the Bachelor. 183 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: This we don't know the details on what why I mean, 184 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: we don't know the details on what this deal would 185 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: have entailed. Or why Warners would have wanted him to 186 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: go over there, But it seemed like Warners didn't want 187 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: to deal with him anymore. Well, would they have wanted 188 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: him to go over there? Or did he do that 189 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: himself or was somebody Maybe he did it himself, Maybe 190 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: he found I mean, he's very friendly with Rob Mills, 191 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: who is the head of unscripted shows at ABC. Maybe 192 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: there was a relationship there and he said come on, 193 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: come on over. There was a new division that was 194 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: being launched, and he probably may have said, come on 195 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: over and do something for us here. It may have 196 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: been Warners not wanting to deal with him anymore. But 197 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: on the ABC behalf and again, you're you're the lawyer here. 198 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: Doesn't that if you know there are problems, you know 199 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: there are issues on the horizon, doesn't that open you 200 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: up to Well, my understanding is that this was scrapped 201 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: when those issues became apparent gotcha, and that when the 202 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: investigation began, the ABC deal went away. I don't think 203 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: this is played out yet. I think maybe that's the 204 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: next question. Is this over? I don't think it's over. 205 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: I think that there will likely be more coming out 206 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: about some of the onset behavior some You know that 207 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: a number of people on the show have engaged a lawyer, 208 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: the same lawyer that you used when you left the show, 209 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: and they are pursuing potential claims against the show, maybe 210 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: for retaliation. There was a group of executives that were 211 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: put in charge of the show that some people on 212 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: the show have said, you know, maybe we're not as 213 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: experienced as some of the others who have been with 214 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: the show longer and perhaps deserved a shot to run 215 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: the show. A lot of un answered questions at this point. So, Matt, 216 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: one thing that I do know is that the show 217 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: is in production. They're shooting The Bachelorette, the next season 218 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: of The Bacherette right now. And having been a part 219 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: of this franchise for twenty years, I know this is 220 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: weighing on the crew on the cast. Obviously this has 221 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: gotten around. Yeah, you're kind of in the bubble, but 222 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't you know, this will permeate the bubble, and 223 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: so all these producers that we're already in turmoil are 224 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: now dealing with this. So it is a lot. And 225 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: speaking of a lot again, I want to say thank 226 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: you because you just dropped this story about an hour ago. 227 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: You jumped on with me. Is there more you're digging 228 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: into and more you're working on? Oh? Absolutely, I'll have 229 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: more up on the puck website, puck dot News, and 230 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: we'll definitely be talking about on The Town podcast, probably 231 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: in the next week or so. But yeah, there's more 232 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: to this story, So the Puck Dot News and of 233 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: course the great podcast The Town, which you cover the 234 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: industry so brilliantly. I often want to jump on and 235 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: argue with you and debate you, but that's why it's 236 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: a good podcast, and that's why you're welcome. Well continued 237 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: success on this story, great job, great article. Investigative reporting. 238 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: Journalism is not dead apparently, and maybe we reconvene next 239 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: week and dive into this a little more when we 240 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: have more information. I'll talk to you soon. Thank you again, 241 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: my thanks to Matt Bellany as this this is a 242 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: very fluid situation and much more is going to continue 243 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: to spill out. This is just the first night. First 244 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: three articles from Variety, Deadline and Matt Bellany, who's been 245 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: so gracious to join us tonight, have written these articles. 246 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: But this is the tip of the iceberg and things 247 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: like this, and I'm sure more will come out. We 248 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: will stay on it. I will keep you up to date. 249 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: And what I'm really interested in too is what is 250 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: this going to do to you? What's it going to 251 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: do to Bachelor Nation, what's to due to the viewers? 252 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: What is your perspective of this, does it matter to you? 253 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: And will it affect the show anymore? We will dive 254 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: into all of this. We will revisit this next week. 255 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: We will have a brand new episode for you Monday. 256 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: Until then, have a great weekend and next time we 257 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 258 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most dramatic pod ever 259 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 260 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.