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Speaker 3: Oh is it good to be back with you? Although

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Speaker 3: my ears are blowing out, I hope ears are better

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Speaker 3: on that end. I mean Skype is going crazy today.

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Speaker 4: I can hear you powfectly. Oh it's too loud.

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Speaker 3: Huh My, my left ear is done done. But we'll

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Speaker 3: go right here for the rest of the show because

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Speaker 3: left one just got completely sucked out. Well, I hope

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Speaker 3: it was worth the wait. It is Tuesday, August twenty first,

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen, Episode one sixty seven of the Anakin Flooring podcast.

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Speaker 3: Kent Flow has been a busy man, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 3: crossing the United States every which way. Go to be

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Speaker 5: With a baby by the way, and so much I

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Speaker 5: so much stuff. You know, when you travel with the baby.

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Speaker 5: You got to bring all this stuff.

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Speaker 4: A car seat which was like bigger than me.

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Speaker 5: I had to like lug it on my back and

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Speaker 5: then put it into luggage and then take a text.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was all over the place. Man, a

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Speaker 5: lot of luggage. But it was a great trip. We

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Speaker 5: got to see family on both sides, my wife's and mine,

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Speaker 5: and did a little work in New York City for

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Speaker 5: a grappling organization that I'm a part of, Kasai uh

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Speaker 5: some great matches in New York City, and then back

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Speaker 4: It's a little time right.

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Speaker 3: To the right to the studio for the anc and

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Speaker 3: Flooring podcast. We appreciate the commitment in terms of your

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Speaker 3: daughter on the on the airplane. How did that go?

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a five and a half six hours.

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Speaker 5: It was six and a half on the way back. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: go through Canada, and avoid weather. She was a trooper man,

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Speaker 5: she was. She handled it better than I did. All

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Speaker 5: the flights. We took what like two flights to get

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Speaker 5: And she was amazing. I she is an angel, baby.

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Speaker 3: Well, you picked a good time to travel with her,

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Speaker 3: because I can tell you my twin brother just came

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Speaker 3: not for one and a half year olds on airplanes.

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Speaker 6: I know.

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Speaker 3: I'm actually going to Connecticut for Thanksgiving to visit my

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Speaker 3: wife's family. Three kids on an airplane for me for

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Speaker 3: it's good to see you, and sorry we missed last week.

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Speaker 3: We had conflicts on both ends. But we are back

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Speaker 3: and hopefully the audio sounds pretty good to you guys

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Speaker 3: here today the Ultimate Fighter season one reunion, Okay, not

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Speaker 3: enough was made of this picture was very average, I

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Speaker 3: think of all of you guys, but if you don't know,

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Speaker 3: Ken Flow and most of the Ultimate Fighters season one

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Speaker 3: By the way, they all reconvened in Las Vegas. Not

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Speaker 3: sure how willing a participant Ken Flow was, but ladies

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Speaker 5: how much the sport has changed since Ultimate Fighter won.

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Speaker 5: And uh yeah, and we had a great meal. We

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Speaker 5: had a great meal at the Fatida's restaurant at the Palms,

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Speaker 5: the steak restaurant Scotch nice Scotch eighty I think or whatever.

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Speaker 3: That's great, man, And that's somebody else's dime to Kemplo's

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Speaker 4: I forgot about that trip I had to go.

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Speaker 5: I was in South Carolina, had to go back to

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Speaker 4: That was my hesitation. I was with family, but I

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Speaker 3: Man, That's what I'm saying. You're going back and forth.

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Speaker 3: So who was it not great to see at this regunion?

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Speaker 3: Who did you not like?

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Speaker 4: Who?

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Speaker 3: Ah, Now you don't have to answer that question. Who

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Speaker 3: Because that'll give us our answer. You didn't chop it up.

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Speaker 3: showp ladies and gentlemen. This is a show rep. I

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Speaker 3: got South Carolina vacation written down here. I got BJJ commentary.

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Speaker 3: We already covered that. I got daughter on the airplane,

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Speaker 3: certainly covered that. So let's get into a few UFC

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Speaker 3: items before we get to Ray Longo. And I want

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Speaker 3: to lead with Tony Ferguson because I don't know that

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Speaker 3: people have lost sight of what he accomplished before he

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Speaker 3: went away. But he won ten consecutive fights at one

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Speaker 3: any man ever did that. Okay, at ten fight winning

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Speaker 3: He has hinted at a return at UFC two twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: He said no opponent yet or something to those words.

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Speaker 5: Listen, I think what you mentioned makes a heck of

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Speaker 5: a lot of sense to have him on the back

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Speaker 4: We can't forget what he did. Absolutely, I agree with you.

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Speaker 5: You know, you look at what he did as impressive

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Speaker 5: like that in his last nine fights, but ten consecutive wins.

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Speaker 5: Habib's and the way that he did it. This is

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Speaker 5: action every single time out. So yeah, I'm really curious

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Speaker 5: balancing on a ball and juggling. I don't know what

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Speaker 5: the hell he's doing, but his knee is apparently fine.

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Speaker 5: He's back training, got the clearance from the doctor, I

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Speaker 5: your idea of having him kind of wait as a

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Speaker 3: unless it's some catastrophic injury that literally doesn't enable them

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Speaker 5: Again, another idea when you're booking these huge fights, I

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Speaker 3: Well, and I know you sort of think about it

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Speaker 3: from a title challenger standpoint, it's it's probably not ideal

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Speaker 3: And some interesting comments from Kamara Usman a MMA Fighting

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Speaker 3: Let's get to him.

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Speaker 2: It's now time the Ray Longo Minutes.

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Speaker 4: And I'm gonna push a hole in this.

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Speaker 2: That's what I wanted, the Ray long Minute, John Nick

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Speaker 7: Hey, listen, I was listening to you guys took Let

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Speaker 6: Know better than me. But when you were fighting, we

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Speaker 7: The landscape of MMA has changed the way you have

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Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 6: I mean, for some reason.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I think first off, I think it's great

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Speaker 6: And he's I can right now.

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Speaker 6: That is the big difference. You could push it.

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Speaker 7: You could you could sprint, not not totally, but you

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Speaker 6: So I think the three rounds is gonna favor him.

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Speaker 7: Uh So, I think it's gonna favor Chris, I really do,

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Speaker 7: you know, because he's had the long layoffs, so you know,

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Speaker 7: this is three rounds of hard cardio and where he's

438
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Speaker 7: at is gonna be fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Well, coming up well before that a few weeks September eighth,

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Speaker 3: U s C two twenty eight and Dallas Big one

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Speaker 3: for al Jamain Sterling against Cody Staman, what can you

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Speaker 3: tell us about al Jo's progresses? He gets close to

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Speaker 3: uh the hell week before fight.

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Speaker 6: Week, ready to feed the streets, John.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet he is. I bet he really.

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Speaker 7: I just got done with him looking great, and yeah

447
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Speaker 7: he's excited.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a perfect fight for him to a

449
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Speaker 6: great matchup.

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Speaker 7: I think he gets to, you know, grow a little

451
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Speaker 7: bit more and I'm excited for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be a real good test, very close fight.

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Speaker 3: According to the odds Maker's Aljo the slightest of favorites

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Speaker 3: right now at minus one twenty. Hey, what's that Russia?

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Speaker 3: I tinerary look like. I know you have a flight

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Speaker 3: right now. I don't know if you're gonna get on it,

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Speaker 3: but I know you at least have a flight booked

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Speaker 3: right now, because.

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Speaker 7: Well, the good news is I just renewed my passport

460
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Speaker 7: and it came in, so that said, yeah, so we

461
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Speaker 7: got that square away because that was the only glitch.

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Speaker 7: But me and the Terror will be on that plane together.

463
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Speaker 7: So I'm excited for Russia. I love this kid, Morob.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you guys saw the instagram where

465
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Speaker 7: he's running up and down the hills with a guy

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Speaker 7: on his back, but that was after he already completed

467
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Speaker 7: a grueling session. He's just got a gas tank for days.

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Speaker 7: He's got a personality that's magnetic. You gotta love to kid. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and I'm looking for him to really shine in Russia,

470
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Speaker 7: which is what he.

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Speaker 6: Wants to do. And you know, he's he's a he's

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Speaker 6: a loose cannon when he's in New Jersey.

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Speaker 7: I don't know what he's gonna be like in Russia,

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Speaker 7: but he's definitely coming forward, guns blazing, and he's got

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Speaker 7: a guess thank for days that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I said after that crazy end to his

477
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Speaker 3: UFC debut against Ricky Simone, I would hate to be

478
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Speaker 3: the guy who has to fight Morob Debolish Billy next

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Speaker 3: because he's gonna gonna be a problem, I think, in

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Speaker 3: particular on that night September fifteenth. So well, that's gonna

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Speaker 3: be good money in the kitty for.

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Speaker 7: You, Yeah, for an opponent. I was actually looking for

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Speaker 7: Monk Guarded to be his next opponent in fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 7: They said they didn't want to do that, so they

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Speaker 7: gave us Harry Away.

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Speaker 3: I like that. That's good. So in terms of your kitty,

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Speaker 3: if you go to Russia. Obviously that's gonna be very

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Speaker 3: lucrative for you in terms of the check coming your

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Speaker 3: way from the Anakin Florian LLC. I believe it's called

491
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Speaker 3: so last thing for you. Today. You are down to.

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Speaker 7: I want my money, I want don't, don't, don't make

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Speaker 7: me bet and lose again.

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Speaker 6: I'll be down to forty cents for Russia.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're gonna give you two to one odds,

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Speaker 3: so we're gonna put it in your favor. And as

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Speaker 3: I said, you're only making money here. It's not like

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Speaker 3: we're taking any of your money. You're losing your own money. Okay,

499
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Speaker 3: you are down to one hundred and fifty dollars. This

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Speaker 3: weekend's UFC main event James Vic justin Gaichee. You pick

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Speaker 3: the winner correctly, you get one hundred dollars. You failed

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Speaker 3: to do so you lose fifty. Vick or Gaichie this weekend?

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Speaker 3: Who do you like?

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Speaker 6: Mayny Swanee River?

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Speaker 5: What do you got?

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Speaker 3: We got a radio show to produce. Do you have

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Speaker 3: any hold on?

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Speaker 6: I say, I'm gonna give it to you that I

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Speaker 6: gotta get out of here too, and I'm stuck.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna go with uh, it's the favorite.

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Speaker 6: I saw a Gaichee.

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Speaker 3: Who's the favorite, James Vick minus one sixty Justin Gaichie

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Speaker 3: plus one thirty.

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Speaker 7: Oh wow, I'm gonna go mean, I'm gonna go with

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Speaker 7: Gaigie on this.

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Speaker 6: How's that?

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Speaker 7: I have no idea. I just saw him in Vegas.

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Speaker 7: He seems like a really cool dude. And you know,

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Speaker 7: I don't know James vic that well, but I'm going

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Speaker 7: I'm betting with my heart.

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Speaker 3: Well that's good. I mean, I think that's that sage

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Speaker 3: advice for the gamblers who listened to this show that

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Speaker 3: you've got with a cool dude justin. Hey, we love you, buddy,

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Speaker 3: all the best over there in Bellmore at the Kickboxing Academy.

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Speaker 3: And we look forward to talking to you in six days,

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Speaker 6: And basically I'll be going to rush you with one

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Speaker 3: a few UFC headlines that I was sort of getting

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Speaker 3: to earlier, and I touched on Kabib and Connor with

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Speaker 3: a short timeline leading up to the fight over a

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Speaker 3: I'm happy. We're sixty four days down to forty six.

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Speaker 3: We're moving in the right direction. What do you think

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Speaker 3: about Kabib and what I said earlier about making sure

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Speaker 3: that he puts himself in position where the weight is

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Speaker 3: not going to be a question, because I don't know

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Speaker 3: if he weighed fifty four for the last one but

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Speaker 3: it really didn't seem to be in question. And again,

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Speaker 3: just standing next to him, I feel like he's made

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Speaker 3: some decisions to make sure that this is something he

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Speaker 3: has in the bud. I'm not saying it's going to

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Speaker 3: cost him necessarily in the first minute of the fight

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Speaker 3: against Connor McGregor, but when I mentioned it to his

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Speaker 3: guy Daniel Cormier, you know, he didn't dismiss it as

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Speaker 3: a factor. I just want to get your thoughts on

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Speaker 3: that particular observation I had a couple of weeks ago

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Speaker 3: there in Calgary.

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Speaker 5: Well, it is certainly something different, right, So I think

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Speaker 5: the last fight he kind of came in a little

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Speaker 5: bit lighter too.

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Speaker 4: He yes, and I think it was a good decision.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, if he gets too excited, I remember

589
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Speaker 5: in my fight against bj Penn, I was training like

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Speaker 5: an animal. I started way too early and I peaked

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Speaker 5: too early. I felt like crap, and yeah, it was

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Speaker 5: not a good situation. So I think for Habib, you know,

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Speaker 5: I don't think he's going to get rattled by Connor

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Speaker 5: McGregor necessarily, but he is very motivated to smash Connor McGregor,

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Speaker 5: and sometimes you can get a little too excited.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to be the case, though.

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Speaker 5: I think he's coming in leaner because he knows how

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Speaker 5: important this fight is. He realized that, yes he has

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Speaker 5: miss weight before. He does not want to be that

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Speaker 5: guy again. So he's coming in lighter, and I think

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Speaker 5: it suited him well in that last fight. I don't

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Speaker 5: think it's going to be a case where he's cutting weight.

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Speaker 5: He's coming in a little bit lighter. He cuts way

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Speaker 5: maybe a little bit earlier, and now he's weakened by that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to be a case with

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Speaker 4: Hibien Munk medoff.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the conditioning battle, if we do go

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Speaker 3: to the latter rounds. It seems like a lot of

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Speaker 3: pro fighters and experts that I've heard from analysts, I

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Speaker 3: guess I should say and not experts, seem to be

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Speaker 3: picking Connor McGregor. A lot of them picking him early.

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Speaker 3: Some have suggested about Connor McGregor that he puts in

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Speaker 3: the right time and does the right conditioning work, even

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Speaker 3: though sometimes his cardio will abandon him on fight night

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Speaker 3: and then maybe maybe metabolically, Kenny or biologically, he just

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Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have it in him to be this just

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Speaker 3: elite cardio guy in the twenty fourth minute of a

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Speaker 3: championship fight. I don't know if you can lend any

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Speaker 3: insight on that, but in terms of the conditioning battle,

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Speaker 3: do you think it is sided advantage Narmago Metal?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I do, because we know what Hibib wants to do.

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Speaker 5: Habib wants to go out there and wrestle. He wants

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Speaker 5: to go out there and grind Connor McGregor down like

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Speaker 5: he has done twenty four twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Times previously as a pro.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I think that dealing with that is not

628
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Speaker 5: going to be easy for Connor McGregor. However, I think

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Speaker 5: Connor is going to be quicker. He's going to be

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Speaker 5: way better with his footwork. He's going to be faster

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Speaker 5: on his feet. He's gonna have faster hands and faster strikes.

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Speaker 5: But Habib doesn't want to do that. Habib's gonna go

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Speaker 5: and wrestle. I think a lot of people kind of

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Speaker 5: saw that fight against Ali a Quinta and go, oh, well,

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Speaker 5: he's gonna do that. He's not gonna he's going to

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Speaker 5: go and try to do that same thing and try

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Speaker 5: to strike with Connor McGregor.

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Speaker 4: He is not going to do that.

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Speaker 5: He's going to take the same approach he did against

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Speaker 5: a guy like itt'son Barbosa, for example, and repeatedly take

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Speaker 5: him down and try to pound his head into the canvas.

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Speaker 5: That's what Habib does best, and that's what he better

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Speaker 5: do against conn McGregor. If he does decide to strike,

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Speaker 5: or if he does for some reason not have a

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Speaker 5: lot of success with his takedowns, that's when you start

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Speaker 5: to get frustrated. And I think that that conditioning factor,

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Speaker 5: I think is directly related to the kind of mental

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Speaker 5: anguish or the kind of pressure that you're dealing with

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Speaker 5: on fight night. How many times have I seen a

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Speaker 5: fighter on in the in the training room look fantastic,

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Speaker 5: They're doing five rounds plus and they and they're not

652
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Speaker 5: even tired. That same fighter goes in and in a

653
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 5: three round fight in the UFC and they are exhausted

654
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Speaker 5: after one round.

655
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Speaker 4: How does that happen?

656
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Speaker 5: Because of the mental pressure that they're feeling on fight night.

657
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 5: There's so much tension in their body. And I gotta say,

658
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 5: no one releases that tension better than a Connor McGregor.

659
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Speaker 5: I think Connor McGregor and John Jones as far as

660
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 5: competitors getting rid of that pressure, getting rid of that

661
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Speaker 5: you know, tension.

662
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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any any competitors that.

663
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Speaker 5: Do it better than those guys really being I've just

664
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Speaker 5: kind of fa out the lights, the audience, the crowd,

665
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 5: the referee, the magnitude of the fight, and just goes

666
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 5: out there and competes extremely well. And Connor McGregor is

667
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: coming off one of the biggest combat sports event in

668
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 5: history against Floyd Mayweather, so he's been there, he's done that.

669
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Speaker 5: Habib doesn't quite have that same kind of experience. But again,

670
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Speaker 5: for Habib, he's a very mentally strong individual.

671
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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, those are all fascinating points, and you're right,

672
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: this is gonna be a different walk for Kabiban, Nermongo Metob.

673
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Speaker 3: I think if I had to bet on one guy

674
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Speaker 3: to be well equipped to handle that walk and the

675
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Speaker 3: pressure that comes with the biggest fight by a mile

676
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Speaker 3: of his life, it is Cubiban Normongo Medob. But you're

677
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: right about John Jones. I remember that being sort of

678
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Speaker 3: one of my early takeaways is he's just smiling ear

679
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Speaker 3: to ear as he's walking out to angry Johnny by

680
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Speaker 3: Poe and just owning the moment and just being so

681
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Speaker 3: excited to compete. And I think TJ. Dillashaw is cut

682
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Speaker 3: from that cloth as well. We talked a little bit

683
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Speaker 3: about that a couple of weeks ago. He's just a

684
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Speaker 3: cited that it's fight night, and there are just so

685
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Speaker 3: many fighters, George Saint Pierre chief among them, that are

686
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: not at all excited that it is fight night. So

687
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Speaker 3: forty six days away, even Normago Medov and Connor McGregor

688
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: basically sold out. Not quite there yet, but it will

689
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Speaker 3: be soon, and it is probably going to be the

690
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Speaker 3: biggest gate in UFC history. I think it's number two

691
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Speaker 3: already according to MMA fighting dot Com State Meltzer. So

692
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Speaker 3: I'm very confident we're gonna get there. Maybe forty six

693
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Speaker 3: days out. We'll leave it at that, at least for

694
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Speaker 3: this week. Couple other things I want to get to

695
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Speaker 3: Francis and Ghanu Curtis Blades the rematch book November twenty fourth.

696
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: It'll be the main event for the UFC's first John

697
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: to Beijing, China, five rounds if needed. So this was

698
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Speaker 3: really the only non championship bout that had any upside

699
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Speaker 3: for Curtis Blades, who is undefeated. Next to that in

700
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: Ghanu lost in his UFC debut that, by the way,

701
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: came due to a doctor stoppage, I believe at the

702
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: end of round two. So for Curtis Blades, he understands

703
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: that maybe he got into or on a championship trajectory,

704
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: maybe quicker than he thought he would, and the Cormier

705
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: just wasn't gonna happen at this point in time. Next

706
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Speaker 3: best thing for him, I would think is a five

707
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Speaker 3: round main event against the At least to this point,

708
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Speaker 3: Cardio challenged predator Francis and gone.

709
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Speaker 5: Great fight for Curtis Blades. He is riding high on

710
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: confidence right now. I don't think a lot of people

711
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 5: realize how good of a wrestler he is and how

712
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Speaker 5: good he is at mixing those aspects in of getting

713
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 5: you to worry about the hands and then changing levels

714
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Speaker 5: and putting you on your back.

715
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Speaker 4: Not a great fight for frances and Gan who I again.

716
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Speaker 5: You saw how he came back againsteep a Miacich and

717
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 5: he faced a guy who really was gonna stand and

718
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 5: trade with him. He really wasn't concerned with takedowns in

719
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 5: that fight, and he was very gunshine. How is he

720
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Speaker 5: going to respond to a guy in Curtis Blades who

721
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Speaker 5: is a similar guy.

722
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Speaker 4: In Steve A. Miacich.

723
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Speaker 5: Not the same guy, but a similar guy, a guy

724
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 5: who can both trade and can take you down. So again,

725
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Speaker 5: I don't know how Francis and Ghano is going to

726
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 5: respond in that fight. If I was his manager, I

727
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 5: would stay far away from a guy like Curtis Blades.

728
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Speaker 5: I don't think this is a recipe for disaster for

729
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 5: Francis and Ghanu. In my opinion, I really believe that

730
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: I think this is this is a tough fight. I

731
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 5: would much rather him fight another striker again, you know,

732
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 5: kind of going there and strike and kind of get

733
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Speaker 5: that confidence back and then worry about a guy like

734
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Speaker 5: a Curtis Blades, but a guy who's a double threat

735
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Speaker 5: with the takedowns with the striking.

736
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I just disagree with that fight for

737
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Speaker 4: Francis and Ghana.

738
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Speaker 3: Well, and I think right there with Caine Velaskz and

739
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: he might have passed him at this point in time.

740
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Speaker 3: Curtis Blades, at least in terms of takedowns landed, I

741
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 3: think is the most accomplished in UFC heavyweight history. I

742
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 3: don't know if he's a better Mma wrestler than Steve A. Miacich.

743
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: I would submit to you that he probably is. But

744
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: he's a takedown machine and he proved against Alistair overhim

745
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: that he is starting to understand what to do with

746
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: those takedowns at points in the fight that he can

747
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: finish them. And man, did he close the show against

748
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: the Ring.

749
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 5: And John Grappling isn't that thing? Like I think, listen,

750
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: mixed martial arts is difficult. So you know, it's tough

751
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 5: to come back a different fighter as a striker, but

752
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: it's particularly difficult to come back as a different grappler,

753
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 5: especially off your back. That takes years of sensitivity, years

754
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 5: of training, especially when applied in a mixed martial arts setting,

755
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 5: that is very difficult to learn. And I have a

756
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 5: hard time believing that Francis and Goado all of a

757
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 5: sudden is going to be the submission machine off of

758
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Speaker 5: his back, because that's what he's gonna have to be

759
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 5: if he wants to fight a guy like Curtis Blades,

760
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Speaker 5: or at the very least learn how to get back

761
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: up to his feet consistently, and that is going to

762
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 5: be tough to do against a guy like Curtis Blades,

763
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Speaker 5: and again we saw the kind of the mental hurdles

764
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Speaker 5: and the mental pressure that he was dealing with in

765
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 5: his last fight, and he just to deliver against Derek Lewis, right,

766
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 5: So how is he gonna do that against Curtis Blades.

767
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: I don't know. I hope he proves me wrong, but

768
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't think this bodes well for.

769
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 3: Well. Right, happy Thanksgiving. Right, we'll see in Beijing for

770
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: arguably the worst matchup in the division for you and

771
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Speaker 3: Curtis Blades. But right, forgetting about the matchup, maybe we

772
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: buried the lead a little bit. Forget about who Francis

773
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 3: and Ghanu is fighting. I mean I forgot he fought

774
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Speaker 3: Derek Lewis.

775
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Speaker 1: Right.

776
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: I was actually filing away my old fight cards today

777
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, yeah, those guys fought, because

778
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: I the fight obviously really didn't happen in front of us.

779
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: They just kind of stared at each other. Francis and

780
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: ghan who's got so many obstacles I would think to overcome,

781
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: and he certainly has some time with which to do it,

782
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: about twelve weeks out right now. But all eyes are

783
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: going to be on Francis and Ghanu Thanksgiving weekend headliner

784
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: in Beijing in a rematch with Curtis Blades. All right,

785
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: a couple things on the Midlewaight Division, then time permitting,

786
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 3: I do want to get to Shudo and Dila Shaw.

787
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: Jake Allenberger scheduled to join us as well. He fights

788
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: in Nebraska coming up this weekend. Also picks on that

789
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: entire show vic Gatchie winner from Ken Flow the Lock

790
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: of the Week. Joel Romero tells ESPN he is not

791
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 3: fighting Palo Costa in November at UFC two thirty. So

792
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: we talked earlier with Ray Longo about Chris Wyman Luke

793
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: Rockold rematch. So if Romero were to have fought Costa

794
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 3: Kenny that night, all that night, all at one hundred

795
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 3: and eighty five pounds, and all seemingly on pay per view,

796
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: you would have had two versus three rock Hold, Widman,

797
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: five versus seven, Jaka d versus David Branch, six versus nine,

798
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: Derek Brunson versus Israel Ata Sonia, and then number one

799
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 3: Yoel Romero against number eight Paolo Costa. Right of course,

800
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: the champion Robert Whitaker fighting number four Kelvin Gasolom I

801
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: love what they're trying to do. You know, we always

802
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: try to blow it out in New York. But that

803
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden card, Monstrous Knight, Middleweight tournament of sorts

804
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 3: and can we please get that number one versus number eight?

805
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: Doesn't look like it's gonna line up for Yoel Romero,

806
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: but heck of a showcase night for the middleweight division. Nonetheless,

807
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: November third at MS.

808
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: Right, and I guess the reason is he's getting facial surgery.

809
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 4: Is that right? Because of his last fight against Whitaker?

810
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: Is that is that the deal?

811
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: Yes? I think it was some sort of fracture in

812
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Speaker 3: the face.

813
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 5: That's unfortunately again Paulo Costa. I think that might have

814
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 5: been a little bit too much for him. So maybe

815
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 5: this is a little bit of a gift for Paulo Costa.

816
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 5: I think he's a fantastic fighter. I think he's an

817
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: exciting fighter. I think this guy is an absolute warrior.

818
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 5: We saw him get hurt in his last fight and

819
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 5: just keep coming back, and I think he's a very

820
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 5: good striker offensively, defensively, he has some work to do.

821
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 5: I think he's obviously got the bill, He's got the

822
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 5: look to be a big star.

823
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: In this sport.

824
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 5: I think this might have been a good thing for him.

825
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I think Yo Ramero, with his

826
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 5: wrestling background and his ability to kind of diffuse good

827
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 5: offensive striking by using his footwork and utilizing his wrestling,

828
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 5: it would have been a tough matchup for Paulo Costa.

829
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 5: But I'm curious to see who they put him in

830
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 5: there with now. Have they said anything that Paulo Costa

831
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 5: has a replacement now or.

832
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Maybe they'll try to preserve that fight. I just think

833
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: that it has a lot of legs, and I think

834
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: that the promotion loves the matchup. The fans love the

835
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: match as well, so I think that will probably happen

836
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: at some point in time. But we'll see, We'll see,

837
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 3: you never know. It looks though that's the top ten,

838
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 3: right you have the championship fight between the Ultimate Fighter coaches,

839
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: the champ Robert Whittaker, number four, Kelvin Gasolom and that

840
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: is one through nine. So very interesting stuff there, all, right.

841
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: Last thing before we get to Jake ellen Berger and

842
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 3: the UFC Lincoln Selection, So Henry Sajudo and TJ. Dillashaw

843
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: went on extra Mario Lopez together, and I don't know

844
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: if they were teasing a super fight, And I don't

845
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 3: even know if they would fight at one hundred and

846
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: thirty five pounds or one hundred and twenty five pounds,

847
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: And that's a whole different conversation. I guess if I'm TJ,

848
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: I think the upside is moving down and not having

849
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: Henry move up. But Dimitrius Johnson in all of this,

850
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 3: I would contend that if Dimitrius Johnson didn't suffer a

851
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: pretty significant injury against Henry Sajudo and his wife wasn't,

852
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 3: you know, thirty eight weeks pregnant, that he wouldn't have

853
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: stepped back to such an extent in saying, yeah, why

854
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: don't they go make that super fight? Because if he

855
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: was healthy out of that fight with Sahudo, I think

856
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 3: a lot of criticism would be levy to DJ that

857
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: he is almost pushing a super fight between Sahudo and TJ. Dillashaw,

858
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: a fight that he could have had at one point

859
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: in time if he had signed on the dotted line.

860
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: So I think he got to give DJ the benefit

861
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: of the doubt. But I'll admit to being a little

862
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: bit surprised that he seems so willing to to not

863
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: promote but not get in the way at all of

864
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 3: that fight going down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, I wonder if there's something he knows.

866
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 5: That we don't know, as far as you know, how

867
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 5: much money he was gonna make, and maybe just financially.

868
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 5: He looks at it, he goes that this doesn't make

869
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 5: sense for me, you know, of course, I don't know.

870
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: I think that DJ is a pretty smart guy. I

871
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 5: think that was a fight that myself and a lot

872
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 5: of people wanted to see. And Demetrius Johnson, the guy

873
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 5: who was going to be involved in that fight, didn't

874
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 5: seem so interested, which really threw me off and a

875
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 5: lot of people off. But you know, Demetrius Johnson, I

876
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 5: think he has a number in his head of what

877
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 5: he feels he should be paid as a guy who

878
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 5: has defended that belt more than anyone in UFC history,

879
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: a guy who is, for me, a true master of

880
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 5: mixed martial arts. There is a lot of great fighters.

881
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 5: You could argue, there's guys that are better pound for

882
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 5: pound or better goats or whatever it is. You know,

883
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 5: one or two guys may be out there, But as

884
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 5: far as the kind of skills that Demitrius Johnson demonstrates

885
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 5: inside the mixed Martial arts octagon. I mean, I don't

886
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: think there's anybody who shows more skill in every single

887
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: area an aspect of the game than Dimitrius Johnson. That

888
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 5: is a true master at work every time he competes

889
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 5: what Henry Sejudo was able to accomplish. Just to make

890
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 5: it that close, I still thought Demetrius Johnson, you know,

891
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 5: should have gotten the nod it was. It was just

892
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 5: it was razor thin either way. You can't say it

893
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 5: was a robbery. That's for sure. Is amazing when Henry

894
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 5: Shudo was able to accomplish. You look at his restling

895
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 5: career and what he did. I think we're gonna see

896
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 5: a rematch between those guys. I think people want to

897
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 5: see a fight between Tudohu and Dila Shaw, but it

898
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: definitely doesn't have that same pop that Demi Trees Johnson

899
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: and TJ.

900
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: Dillashaw fight has. I just I don't think so. I

901
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: think for TJ.

902
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 5: Dillashaw and for a lot of the fans, they most

903
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 5: likely want to see him fight you know, the Sunsows

904
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 5: or the Marlon Maris in his division. Then have a

905
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 5: super fight at this point against a guy like Henry

906
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 5: s Hudo. But Henry Sahudo is smart because in this game,

907
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 5: you put the vibe out there, you get the fans talking.

908
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 5: It may not happen the next fight, but this is

909
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: the kind of thing. This buzz will start to build

910
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 5: over time. As he continually mentions TJ.

911
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 3: Delashaw, Yeah, I know, I think you hit on all

912
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: of it. And I just think with all of those

913
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: options at one hundred and thirty five pounds, Marlon Nice,

914
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 3: Domina Cruz Haafeyela Sunsal and a flyway champion who just

915
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: won the belt several weeks ago and hasn't defended at

916
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five pounds, If I'm TJ. Dillashaw,

917
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: how can I make history? I moved down to one

918
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five pounds. I'm the longer reigning UFC champion,

919
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: two time one hundred and thirty five pounds champion. I

920
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 3: can become a two division champion. I see far less

921
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 3: upside for Dillashaw with Sahudo moving up table that though

922
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: for a second, is now joining us, a man who

923
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 3: this Saturday night will make his twenty first UFC appearance,

924
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 3: just the second though in his home state of Nebraska.

925
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: Inside the octagon, he is the juggernaut. Jake Ellenberger now

926
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: live with us. Jake, welcome home, man. How are you today.

927
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 8: I'm doing well. I'm doing well, Jenn how are you guys?

928
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 3: Well, we are doing well. So I guess if my

929
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 3: math is right. This morning, seventh pro fight in Nebraska.

930
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: First since you headline against Diego Sanchez that was twenty twelve,

931
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 3: So this fight car being in Lincoln, I'd imagine that

932
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: was a pretty big factor in you making the quick

933
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 3: turn from that June first fight here Saturday night.

934
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 8: Definitely, definitely, you know, it is one of the things

935
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 8: as soon as he was announced, I was really hoping

936
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 8: to be able to compete back here in Nebraska, especially

937
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 8: in front of the family and hometown, and you know,

938
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 8: with the Diego fight back in Stuck twelve was new

939
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 8: Zio was one of the one of the highlights of

940
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 8: my career for sure, and one of my experiences I've had.

941
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 8: So you know, I just I know what to you know,

942
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 8: I know what to expect and then the atmosphere. So

943
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 8: I'm really looking forward to to linking this this Saturday.

944
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 3: And Kenny and I certainly remember that twenty twelve week.

945
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: Well and just how you owned everything about fight week

946
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: and how happy you were and we were happy for you.

947
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: So so you fought Ben Sounders that was June first.

948
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: He actually replaced Brian Barberina in the fight. And now

949
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: this Barberina fight comes around again. How did it come

950
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: together on your end? I know there's some history there

951
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: with your brother too. How excited are you that this

952
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: fight did come around a second time and pretty soon

953
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: after it was scheduled to go down?

954
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, he is, he's a guy I was. I was

955
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 8: really looking forward to facing you know, there was some

956
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 8: parody there he has he has saw my brother years ago,

957
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 8: and yeah, we were. We were scheduled too, so I

958
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 8: know he had he had to deal with some injury

959
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 8: or some something he.

960
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 9: Was going through.

961
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 8: But yeah, my you know, my quick quick come around

962
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 8: and in conversation to Dana was that I wanted to

963
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 8: really wanted to get down this card and he said, uh,

964
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 8: you know, we'll give it to you. And so that

965
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 8: was the the first guy they had then asked for.

966
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 8: I said, beautiful, if he if he's if he's ready

967
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 8: to absolutely do it. So it was, yeah, it was.

968
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 8: It was good to get to come to light.

969
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 4: Jake, how helpful is it that your brother already fought

970
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: Brian Barbarina.

971
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 8: It's good, It's uh, you know, I obviously I was

972
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 8: in his corner. I'm familiar with the guy. If I've

973
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 8: watched all of his recent fights. You know, he has

974
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 8: had a little bit of time off. But so yeah,

975
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 8: I know what he does. I know it does well,

976
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 8: I know I know what he where. He has some holes,

977
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 8: but uh, there's definitely some things that I can take

978
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 8: advantage of, you know. But uh again, it's a it's

979
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 8: a fight. I gotta I gotta be a stale alert

980
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 8: via my m a game.

981
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 5: You know, Jake, You've been fighting a long time. You've

982
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 5: been involved in a lot of classic fights. You know,

983
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 5: how long do you want to do this?

984
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 6: Well?

985
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 8: You know I do. I guess that a lot, which

986
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 8: is funny. I really I love fighting. I love training,

987
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 8: you know, I love the people I'm around. And I'm

988
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 8: not gonna you know, I'm not gonna put a timeline

989
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 8: right now. I'm not gonna put a deadline. I I

990
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 8: I've always told my uh my family, I'm gonna I'm

991
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 8: gonna fight one at one fight at a time, and

992
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 8: what's gonna keep going from there, because you know there

993
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 8: there'll be that day. You know there's gonna be a

994
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 8: day where you wake up and you just you don't

995
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 8: have that fire in your heart or in your mind

996
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 8: or something you don't want to completely be committed to.

997
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 8: And I know that day is gonna come, but it's

998
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 8: you know that day's not here yet, and I trust me.

999
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 8: I look forward to going to the gym, I look

1000
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 8: forward to training, and it really just the people I'm around.

1001
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 8: So like I said, it's it's uh, I enjoy it.

1002
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 3: I love it.

1003
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 8: I really do. And you know, it's one of those

1004
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 8: things that you see so many there's so many different

1005
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 8: uh there's just jobs and careers and things out there

1006
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 8: that you see people just kind of struggling through that

1007
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 8: don't enjoy what they do. It's like, man, I can't

1008
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 8: I couldn't be that guy, and I certainly don't want

1009
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 8: to be somebody like that, And you kind of realize

1010
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 8: that it's a you know, it's a privilege. It's a

1011
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 8: privilege to be in this in this sport. So that's

1012
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 8: kind of a kind of a humbling humbling factor as well.

1013
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: Well. My first introduction to Jake Ellenberger. It was June

1014
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: of two thousand and nine. I was on the call

1015
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: at bellatore eleven and on like twenty four hours notice,

1016
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 3: maybe even less. In a catchweight fight. You KOed Marcelo

1017
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 3: al Phi. It was forty two seconds. He goes out

1018
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: on a stretcher. At that point, you're twenty four years old.

1019
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: You're twenty one and four, almost ten years ago. I mean,

1020
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 3: for me, it feels like a lifetime ago. The last

1021
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: decade of your career. Has it gone quickly or does

1022
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 3: Marcelo al Phia seem like just a totally different lifetime

1023
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: of yours.

1024
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 8: It's funny you bring that that that seems like yesterday.

1025
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 8: I remember that. I remember the call. I remember talk

1026
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 8: to uh to my manager at the time of money Cox,

1027
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 8: and I remember that whole opportunity coming to Yeah, we

1028
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 8: we got on a plane. I think it was a

1029
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 8: I don't even know a twelve or sixteen hour noticed

1030
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 8: something like that, and uh yeah, just just I was

1031
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 8: I was always I was always ready. It was one

1032
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 8: of those young hungry kids.

1033
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 9: But uh, I remember that.

1034
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 8: Well, it does seem a long time ago and certainly

1035
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 8: been a lot of ups and down, but you know,

1036
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 8: that's that's light, that's adversity. But uh, like I said,

1037
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 8: I I enjoy. I really really enjoy what I do.

1038
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 8: I love fighting, I love competing, and uh, like I said,

1039
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 8: there's no there's no better place that's going to bring

1040
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 8: the best out of you than your hometown and home state.

1041
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 8: And so I'm uh, I'm all in here Saturday.

1042
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: All right, a couple more minutes here with Jake Allenberger.

1043
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 3: You can see him fight on the main card on

1044
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 3: FS one this Saturday night. And I'm gonna be real

1045
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 3: with you here because ken Fall and I are both fathers.

1046
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: Thankfully for Kenny, he was not a father when he

1047
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: was a fighter. And that's just my opinion that it

1048
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 3: wouldn't be easier. I think you have two boys now, Jake,

1049
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: Is that right?

1050
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 9: I do?

1051
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 6: Yep?

1052
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 9: Three and one.

1053
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: Unbelievable and I can only imagine the source of motivation.

1054
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 3: But you can't sit here and tell me that it

1055
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 3: makes it easier to be a professional mixed martial arts

1056
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 3: fighter with a couple of kids hanging around, because I'm

1057
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: just not gonna buy.

1058
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 8: It, right, Yeah, now, you're You're right, You're right, there's

1059
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 8: there's definitely uh, it definitely makes it challenging. And then

1060
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 8: you know, obviously just just thinking about the future too.

1061
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 8: I mean, every you want to spend as much time

1062
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 8: and and put as much into being that that man,

1063
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 8: that father as you can. So you know, like I said,

1064
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 8: everything is for me is just taking a one fight

1065
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 8: at a time. I really, Uh, I've really turned some

1066
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 8: some corners and even with the you know, unfortunately with

1067
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 8: the last fight, we didn't get to see a lot

1068
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 8: of a lot of the a lot of the corners

1069
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 8: that I turned in the last six months and training

1070
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 8: and things that have been going really well. But uh,

1071
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 8: like I said, it's it's you know, for me, it's

1072
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 8: every every day is a blank sheet. You know, every

1073
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 8: every fight really is. And uh, you know, the sport

1074
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 8: isn't like any other sport in the world. It's this

1075
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 8: it soundlike boxing. It's unlike a lot of just like

1076
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 8: I'd say, a lot more of these these padded records.

1077
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 8: And when you're fighting at this level, you're fighting the

1078
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 8: best guys in the world. That's just that's just the reality.

1079
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 8: But like I said, it's it's a privilege and I'm

1080
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 8: I'm monitored to keep to be able to do it,

1081
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 8: to be able to compete, you know, and and I

1082
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 8: work with a lot of people with the you know,

1083
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 8: they're fighting with with disease and cancer, like the Jester

1084
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 8: Reas Foundations one of them that.

1085
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 6: I work with.

1086
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 8: And you know, you just see a lot of these

1087
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 8: kids and and young adults that are they don't get

1088
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 8: opportunities and and that that barely uh that barely can

1089
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 8: live life. You know, it's it's definitely a humbling and

1090
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 8: a experience, but you know it makes you grateful and

1091
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 8: really uh, like I said, privileged and to be able

1092
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 8: to do what we do well.

1093
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 3: You're training or and teammate p Neil Daryush on Instagram

1094
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: wrote last week, every time I trained with Jake, I'm

1095
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: reminded of how much potentially he has. I can't wait

1096
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 3: for the world to see on Saturday, mark my words,

1097
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 3: the Juggernaut is coming thirty three years old, pro fight

1098
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: number forty six and and potentially some still unscratched potential.

1099
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 6: Man.

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00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 3: We look forward to seeing it against Brian Barbarina this weekend.

1101
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you pay attention to the

1102
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: betting odds at all, but tell your buddy Benny dar

1103
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: Us to find himself a bookie because Jake Ellenberger is

1104
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 3: plus three seventy five right now.

1105
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's play. I have some some close friends that

1106
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 8: that are they're very into the lines. But uh yeah,

1107
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 8: I've heard it was Will Hill. It was up to

1108
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 8: about four to twenty five, somebody in Vegas tell me.

1109
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 8: But that's good. Hey, that's that's it. It is what

1110
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 8: it is.

1111
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: You know, Well, we'll be watching Saturday Night man part

1112
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 3: of the maintain card on FS one. Enjoy that walk, man,

1113
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: I know you will, and we appreciate you carving out

1114
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: a few minutes for us today, Bud.

1115
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 8: Absolutely, guys, thanks for having me on.

1116
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 3: Good luck Jake there he is UFC Welterweight Jake Ellenberger

1117
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 3: with us here on the Anak and Florian podcasts. And dude,

1118
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: people don't like when I bring up the whole father

1119
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 3: Fighter thing at time times, right, but it's real, Okay,

1120
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: Like Carlos Condit at one point in time, due to

1121
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 3: some circumstances, had Brandon Gibson, his striking coach, like holding

1122
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: his baby while he's working with another coach, right, Like,

1123
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 3: it's a real thing. Right, It's not always that way,

1124
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 3: and you know we've had times Kenny, Oh my wife

1125
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: might have to leave the kid here during the podcast,

1126
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 3: and it's like, I mean, take the iPad and pray

1127
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: they don't come barging in here, you know. But for

1128
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: a fighter, I mean, that is no joke. When you're

1129
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 3: trying to sort of maximize your sixteen hours awake or

1130
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and you got a couple little ones. Man,

1131
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: nothing easy about it. And I think it's a factor,

1132
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: and I think to dismiss it as a factor at

1133
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: least for some of these guys who are really doting dads.

1134
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 3: You're not paying attention to the whole picture.

1135
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 5: Well, well, first of all, every time I talk to

1136
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 5: Jake Ellenberger, you reminded how nice of a guy and

1137
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 5: how real he is as a competitor. But I absolutely

1138
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 5: agree with you. But listen, the asterisk is if you

1139
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 5: want to be a good dad, if you don't want.

1140
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 4: To be a good dad, then you just secure your kid.

1141
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 4: Yeah you're fine, You're like, yeah, whatever, I have a

1142
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 4: kid over there. Whatever, I was gonna go train.

1143
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 5: But no, if you want to exactly now and if

1144
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 5: you want to be if you want to be a dad,

1145
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 5: then yeah, absolutely.

1146
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: I mean it is very difficult, man.

1147
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 5: I can't even imagine having a kid now and having

1148
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 5: to train there or you know, be able to train

1149
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 5: the amount that I did when I was fighting.

1150
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: It is quite difficult. You have to.

1151
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 5: It's a balancing act. And then you know, you get

1152
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 5: into two kids or three kids, or your wife's pregnant.

1153
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's a lot of balls to kid.

1154
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, see you say balls. I think man,

1155
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 3: I got a son. It's terrible. Only harder job than father, though,

1156
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: can flow? Do you know what the only harder job

1157
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: out the well? I'm sure like mother, call my, call my?

1158
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 4: Oh mother?

1159
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, I mean jeez, you got the gender police

1160
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,479
Speaker 3: after me now, right? So no, I mean, no harder

1161
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 3: job than parent. I would say coal miner sounds very,

1162
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: very difficult. And I'm sure everything Tim Kennedy does on

1163
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 3: a daily basis is very difficult and probably more difficult

1164
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: than me cooking dinner for a seven and five year old.

1165
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 3: But fighter is the most difficult job that I can see.

1166
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: And for Jake Ellenberger ken Flow, at one point he

1167
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: was twenty nine and six. He will make the walk

1168
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: this weekend at thirty one and fourteen, having lost eight

1169
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: of his last ten, three in a row. It's been

1170
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: top competition every step of the way Ben Saunders, Mike

1171
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 3: Perry Orje Mospital most recently, but it's been a rough

1172
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 3: go of it. And you know, I don't think this

1173
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: is a retirement fight necessarily. He was born in nineteen

1174
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 3: eighty five, so there could still be some good years

1175
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: ahead for Jake Ellenberger. But this is a forty sixth

1176
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 3: professional fight for him, and the recent results have not

1177
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 3: been great. Brian Barberina is a minus five hundred favorite

1178
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: over the Juggernaut this weekend.

1179
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, listen for Jake. He hasn't been on the best

1180
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 5: streak obviously. You know, he's a guy who has a

1181
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 5: tremendous amount of power. He's always going to have that.

1182
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 4: You know, I don't.

1183
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 5: And we were talking about, you know, the confidence and

1184
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 5: training in the gym and then going out and competing.

1185
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 5: I think Jake is definitely one of those guys that

1186
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 5: in the gym is a handful for anybody in the

1187
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 5: world in his weight class. I think in competition, I

1188
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 5: think he's dealt with some struggles I think mentally of

1189
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 5: being able to again release that tension and then now

1190
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 5: you encounter this, you know, this losing streak. It makes

1191
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 5: it that much more difficult, but hopefully, you know, fighting

1192
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 5: in Lincoln, Nebraska, I think will kind of help bring

1193
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 5: a lot of positivity and help kind of release a

1194
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 5: lot of that pressure that he might be used to

1195
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 5: in his last few fights. So Jake is a great guy,

1196
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 5: and I think if he goes out there and shows

1197
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 5: the kind of skills that he possesses, he could absolutely

1198
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 5: be a guy like Brian Brian Barbarina.

1199
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 3: Well, and that's why I wanted to read that dark

1200
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 3: use post because I trust Benny. He's not thrown out

1201
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 3: compliments left right, and I feel like he really sees

1202
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 3: something in Jake allen Berger, and perhaps the gamblers will

1203
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: as well. It was interesting to see Jake knew that

1204
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: William Hill had him up to plus four twenty five,

1205
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: so one hundred American dollars on Jake allen Berger would

1206
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: return you four to twenty five. Actually five twenty five,

1207
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 3: he get your money back. So very interesting to see

1208
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 3: how pronounced. That fight was certainly a lot more high

1209
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: level experience for Jake ellen Berger. I mean, he's fought

1210
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: everybody on this list that you could possibly imagine, Rory McDonald,

1211
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 3: Robie Lowler, everybody else, Carlos kndit in his UFC debut,

1212
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: but Brian Barbarina and the at least recent results have

1213
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: been better. All right, Well, that is one of six

1214
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: fights on the main card this weekend UFC Fight Night,

1215
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: Gay Chee versus Vic. Let's make some picks. Let us

1216
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: get to the main event challenge.

1217
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 4: It's the main event challenge and the time is most

1218
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 4: definitely FIHI finished fight. How do do everything?

1219
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: Boss?

1220
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: We'll do win the main event challenge. John Nnick and

1221
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,760
Speaker 2: Kenny Florian podcast.

1222
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: I do wonder how many fighters know the Benning odds

1223
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 3: on their fights. You know, I know we would talk

1224
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: about a little bit Kenny back in the day on

1225
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 3: MMA Live when when you were fighting Pjpen or whatever.

1226
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: I got to look up what that price was Ken

1227
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: flow Pjpenn back in two thousand and nine. But I

1228
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 3: got to get to this fight card this weekend. First, though,

1229
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: we update the standings. Ninety two point eighty four was

1230
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: the lead for Team Annic that was going into UFC

1231
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: two twenty seven back on August forth, so would tightened

1232
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: up to eight. Remember we had my man Man pre

1233
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: Mma Lock of the Night on Twitter MMA l OTN.

1234
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: He had TJ Dillashaw. He had him by knockout. That

1235
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 3: was the difference, four to two. MMA Lock of the

1236
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 3: Night wins the Week ninety six eighty six. Back to

1237
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 3: double digits for the good guys. And speaking of good guys,

1238
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 3: joining us to make picks today, we are going to

1239
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 3: International Waters. This listener's name is Giovanni Romagnoli. G O,

1240
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: my man, good to have you with us today, sir.

1241
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 9: Hi, guys, can you hear me?

1242
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeh, GEO, you sound great, my friend.

1243
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 9: Oh, thank you. It's awesome to be here. Thank you

1244
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 9: so much.

1245
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 3: Where are you joining us from today, sir?

1246
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 9: I'm nearby Elits in England. And yeah, the weather is

1247
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 9: surprisingly good for the place.

1248
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: Gotta love it, the Englishman always leading with the weather. Well,

1249
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: we won't take too much of your time, but we

1250
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: appreciate your listenership and certainly you hopping on to try

1251
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: to challenge former three time UFC world title challenger Kenny

1252
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: ken Flow Florian first fight, third fight down on the

1253
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 3: main car. We spent a lot of time on it.

1254
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 3: Brian Barberina minus five hundred, Jake Ellenberger plus three seventy five.

1255
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 3: The wrinkle in this matchup. Kenny talked about it.

1256
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 9: So.

1257
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 3: Barbarina fought Jake's twin brother, Joe in what was Barbarina's

1258
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: UFC debut back in twenty fourteen, beat him. Barbarina out

1259
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: of the MMA lab. He's a finisher, nine wins by knockout.

1260
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: He's the prohibitive favorite here, Geo, who do you like

1261
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 3: in this one on the main card? Barberina or Jake Ellenberg?

1262
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 9: Well, in this fight, I'll pick Barbarina. The reason is

1263
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 9: that Alan Berg took a lot of damage in his

1264
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 9: fast fight. Well, Barbarina seems to, you know, a younger patience.

1265
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 9: He has good experience in the ring. And he took

1266
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 9: also one year and a half and I hope that

1267
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 9: improved some part of his game.

1268
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ken Flow, Vegas always seems to know right or

1269
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 3: most of the time they do so, at least on paper.

1270
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: Brian Barbarina is supposed to win this fight this weekend.

1271
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and listen, he's absolutely a favorite. But I need points, man,

1272
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 5: I'm going with the juggernaut. I think ellen Burger surprises

1273
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 5: everybody and gets the win.

1274
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 4: How's that?

1275
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: And you would get four points in our scoring system

1276
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: if he does just that? Good stuff? All right? Next

1277
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 3: up featured about here at one hundred and fifteen pounds.

1278
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: Angela Hill minus won forty five Courtney Casey plus one fifteen,

1279
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: so Hill comes in. She's won two of three, outpointed

1280
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: Marina Brows for last time out that was in February,

1281
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: last four, have gone the distance six of her last

1282
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: seven overall. On the other side, you have Courtney Casey.

1283
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: She has fought a ton of top competition as Hill has,

1284
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: but Casey has dropped two in a row on paper

1285
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 3: split decision losses to Felice Herrig and the Karate Hotty

1286
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: Michelle Waterson Giovanni. Who do you like here, Angela Hill

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Speaker 3: or Courtney cast Iron Casey.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm picking Kasey here, picking the underdog Angela Hill.

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Speaker 9: She's a very fast, aggressive kickboxer, but Katy seems very strong.

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Speaker 9: She's a veteran. She has a soy bastling and ground game,

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Speaker 9: so I think if she can scare, she can sorry,

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Speaker 9: she can force some takedowns, she might win the decision.

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Speaker 3: Kenny. I would think Courtney Casey would try to lean

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Speaker 3: on the takedowns and the grappling against Angela Hill, who

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Speaker 3: is certainly rounding into a fine mixed martial artist in

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Speaker 3: her own right, Yeah, and she is favored to get

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Speaker 3: the job done here. Hill versus Casey. Which Saudi fault?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 5: I think that the odds makers are probably looking at

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Speaker 5: the results here, looking at the records past results, as

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Speaker 5: opposed to the skills in the matchup here. I don't

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Speaker 5: love this matchup for Angela Hill. I agree with GEO.

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Speaker 5: I think Courtney Casey, with her takedown game, is going

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Speaker 5: to pose a lot of problems for Angela Hill. She's

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Speaker 5: gonna be taller, she's gonna be bigger, she's gonna be stronger.

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Speaker 5: I think Courtney Casey's physicality will get it done here

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Speaker 5: by decision.

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Speaker 3: All right. Co main event, the second appearance at featherweight

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Speaker 3: for the long time lightweight contenor. Michael Johnson favor to

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Speaker 3: get the job done here. He is at a minus

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Speaker 3: one fifty clip against Andre Pheeley Phelly at plus one

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Speaker 3: twenty slight underdog year GEO, who do you like in

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Speaker 3: the co main event Michael Johnson or Andre Field?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is a difficult one. I'm going with the

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Speaker 9: underdog again here. Michael Johnson is a very aggressive fighter,

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Speaker 9: but Andre Seely is again the younger athlete between the two.

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Speaker 9: He has a good takedowns and he has bought some

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Speaker 9: of the greatest name in the division, so he has

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Speaker 9: lots of experience. Also, he relies on counterattacks a lot,

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Speaker 9: so I think Andre Seely might make it.

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Speaker 3: Geo sounds like he's got a pretty trained I can't.

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Speaker 3: I want to give you some numbers on Michael Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Nine nine for MJ Kenny in the UFC. He's dropped

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Speaker 3: five of his last six overall, three straight to Darren Elkins,

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Speaker 3: Justin Gaechee and Kabib Normago MetOp. That was preceded by

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Speaker 3: what was the first round knockout of Dustin Pourier in

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Speaker 3: a main event Hidalgo, Texas, September of twenty sixteen. When

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Speaker 3: he's on Kenny, there's no doubt that Michael Johnson can

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Speaker 3: be a threat. Still some unknowns here at one hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty five pounds. Andre Pheeley trying to keep going.

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Speaker 3: What is the first winning streak of his UFC career.

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Speaker 3: It was alternated wins and losses for him through his

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Speaker 3: first nine I like this co main event, Michael Johnson,

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Speaker 3: Andre Peelly flow, who wins it?

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Speaker 4: I do as well. I listen. I think that Gial

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Speaker 4: made a lot of good points here.

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Speaker 5: I think Andre Philly has been a very good counter

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Speaker 5: strikers as of late, and he's also shown really good

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Speaker 5: for work and intelligence and how he approaches the fight.

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Speaker 5: I was kind of waiting to see what Gill was

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Speaker 5: gonna say here because this is a close one, and

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Speaker 5: I kind of wanted to go the opposite way here.

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Speaker 5: I'm concerned also with the waight cut here. This is

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Speaker 5: Michael Johnson's first fight at one forty five?

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Speaker 3: Is that second?

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's second?

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Speaker 3: Who do you fight? His last one Darren Elkins? And

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Speaker 3: and he in terms of the weight, he looked great.

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01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: But I still think to your point, to just dismiss

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Speaker 3: it as a factor would be ignorant.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's tough, man, It's tough making that weight

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Speaker 5: when you're used to fighting fifty five. Not that he

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01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 5: was the biggest fifty fiver, but as far as hands goes,

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Speaker 5: whether it's at one forty five or one fifty five,

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Speaker 5: Michael Johnson has some of the fastest hands in the game.

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01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 5: I will never forget his performance in Brazil against Edson Barbosa.

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Speaker 5: He was just phenomenal and the pressure that he put

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Speaker 5: on him and the intelligence that he showed in that

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Speaker 5: fight and how he pressured. I'm just gonna go the

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Speaker 5: opposite way here is GEO. This is a close one.

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Speaker 5: This really could go either way. I could see either

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Speaker 5: fight or winning this one. I'll go with Michael Johnson here.

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Speaker 5: He really needs this win.

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Speaker 3: And in talking to Johnson at least six weeks or

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Speaker 3: so ago, he doesn't feel like the weight is going

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Speaker 3: to be an issue. You know. He feels like his

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01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 3: body composition is such that he handled it once and

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Speaker 3: he'll handle it again. I still think, you know, I

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Speaker 3: look at him, I see a lightweight. So for me,

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Speaker 3: I still think it's the fight before the fight. But

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Speaker 3: we'll see how it goes for Michael Johnson in the

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Speaker 3: co main events Loot against Andre Peeley. All right, main event.

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Speaker 3: This one will keep me up on the Eastern Standard

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Speaker 3: time zone. I can assure you. For our man g

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Speaker 3: O in England, I know he's always watching these fights

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Speaker 3: in the middle of the night, but this main event

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Speaker 3: got he on at James Vick minus one sixty, the favorite,

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Speaker 3: Justin Gaechee, the plus one thirty underdog. This the headliner

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Speaker 3: in Nebraska Giovanni, so we will need the method of

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Speaker 3: victory in the round as well, who do you like

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Speaker 3: in Lincoln in the headliner, James Vick or Justin Geegee.

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Speaker 9: Okay, so Vick Stoller has better reach and he's a boxer,

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01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 9: so in theory some hints point too Vic, but I'm

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Speaker 9: going with Justin Gaigee. I think from this fight we'll

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Speaker 9: see him change and adopts, maybe use more of his wrestling.

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Speaker 9: So I'm saying Justin Gaichee third round TKO by grander

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Speaker 9: pound TKO.

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Speaker 3: You said round three g O, Yes, ron three, Round

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Speaker 3: three t KO for Justin Gaichee, And I think prevailing

1390
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Speaker 3: wisdom can flow is that this matchup would lend itself

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Speaker 3: to some wrestling from Justin Gaichie for James Vick nine

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01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 3: in one of the UFC, he's won four in a row.

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01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 3: Of course, Gai Chee has only been on the roster

1394
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: thirteen months, right, I mean he made his UFC debut

1395
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: last July against Michael Johnson, has dropped two since. I

1396
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 3: know he leads the league in bonus money. The question

1397
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 3: is does he avoid a third straight loss here flow?

1398
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: And if so, we'll need to know exactly how he

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Speaker 3: gets it done.

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Speaker 5: Now, Geo's trying to use common sense to explain what

1401
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 5: Gatesche's gonna do. But there's not a whole lot of

1402
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 5: common sense to what Geichee does. That's the only problem.

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01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 5: I think justin Gaichie should be wrestling. He should be

1404
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 5: taking people down. He should be using his grounded pound.

1405
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 5: I don't know at this point in his career if

1406
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 5: he's going to use that against James Vick.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 5: He should absolutely I agree, but I don't know if

1409
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 5: we're gonna see that. I think if Geichee is going

1410
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 5: to approach this fight, I think he's still gonna try

1411
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 5: to knock out James Vic, and I think he can.

1412
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 5: I think there were some scary moments for me when

1413
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 5: Tronaldo was facing James Vic and Trinaldo. He has good hands,

1414
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 5: but I think Gaigie has better hands. When Gaichie is

1415
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 5: moving and slipping his head off the center line and

1416
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 5: he's a little bit more narrow and not so square,

1417
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 5: he can get on the inside and he can crack boy.

1418
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 4: I definitely think he can get that win.

1419
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 5: We saw Banil Darusch get the win over James Vic

1420
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 5: a few years back, and I think that James should

1421
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 5: be using his reach. He can use his reach, he

1422
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 5: can keep him on the outside. He's gonna have to

1423
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 5: be cleaner than he showed against Tronaldo, though in my opinion,

1424
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 5: Geigee is a little bit more slick with his boxing skills. However,

1425
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 5: Gaichie also probably at this stage of his career, doesn't

1426
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 5: have the same kind of chin as Trinaldo has. Gaichi

1427
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 5: has had some wars in his last few fights here

1428
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 5: in the UFC. He's had wars really his whole career,

1429
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 5: but particularly the against high level guys, guys who really

1430
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 5: can crack, and that doesn't bode well. Gachie's had a

1431
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 5: relatively quick turnaround here. James Vic he can hit hard,

1432
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 5: you know, I think his right hand is a big

1433
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 5: time problem. I'll go the other way here. I'll take

1434
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 5: James Vick. I think Vic gets it done.

1435
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 3: And you've got a round or method of victory or

1436
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: would you like to leave those points on the table,

1437
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Speaker 3: which is.

1438
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 4: Fine, Yeah, let's let's go. Let's go round three.

1439
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 3: TKO James v TKO for James Vick. All right, my man, Giovannie,

1440
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 3: thank you for stepping up today and making picks, and

1441
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: we hope you beat the flow. This weekend. Thanks for

1442
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 3: listening to the show man. We appreciate you very much.

1443
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 9: Thank you so much. Guys.

1444
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 3: All right, Giovanni joining us from England there to make

1445
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: picks part of the main event challenge that team Anna

1446
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: continues to lead. Here. One other thing can flow on

1447
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: the way out today, and it's a little bit of

1448
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 3: a somber note. I don't know if you saw the

1449
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: story involving Desmond Green UFC lightweight who was involved in

1450
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: a five car accident. I believe it was down here

1451
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 3: in South Florida, in Davy, Florida. Desmond suffered minor injuries.

1452
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 3: Reportedly two people were killed in this car accident, and

1453
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: I don't know many more details than that. I mean,

1454
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 3: there is this indelible image of Desmond Green sitting on

1455
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 3: the side of the highway with sort of head and

1456
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 3: hands or just and you know, this is a guy

1457
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 3: who dropped his son off to kindergarten a few days

1458
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 3: ago for his first day of kindergarten here Broward County,

1459
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 3: here in South Florida, and you know this is his

1460
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 3: new reality. You know, we don't know a lot of

1461
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Speaker 3: the details, but my heart goes out to Desmond Green.

1462
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 3: A turn to my wife, I said, you know, this

1463
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 3: could happen to anybody, and you know it's just you know,

1464
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 3: welcome to your new life. Is a very harsh reality

1465
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 3: for someone. And I just wanted Desmond to know that

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01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 3: we were thinking about him and hopefully there's a way

1467
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 3: out the other side for him when this settles.

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01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1469
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, man, this was an awful situation. I did see

1470
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 5: it because of your tweet, and it's awful all the

1471
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 5: way around, you know, for for the families of you know,

1472
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Speaker 5: I think it was two older women who lost their lives.

1473
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 5: It's terrible for those families and even the others who

1474
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 5: were injured. And I again, we don't know a whole

1475
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 5: lot of details of what happened, how it happened. But

1476
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 5: for Desmond, uh, you know, current UFC fighter who's involved

1477
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,879
Speaker 5: in this, that's gonna be that's gonna be extremely difficult

1478
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 5: man to deal with this. But you know, I hope

1479
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 5: that he's able to you know, move move past this

1480
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 5: and find some strength from this and and learn from this,

1481
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 5: and hope that he's uh, you know, really learns from

1482
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 5: this situation. It's it's awful and again, you know, who

1483
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 5: knows what happened has seemed like maybe someone hit him

1484
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 5: as well, and then he might have hit another car.

1485
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 5: So I don't know how much control he actually had

1486
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 5: over this. That that's just what I the brief article

1487
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 5: that I read. So it's hard to make sense out

1488
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 5: of things like this. And and yeah, I hope, I

1489
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 5: hope that he's able to move past this.

1490
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Speaker 1: Man.

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 3: All right, Well that is going to do it for

1492
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 3: this week. Thanks for sticking with us. No more weeks

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01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 3: off the rest of the way. No, I can't say

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 3: that necessarily, but I think we're live actually the rest

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Speaker 3: of the year except for one week, So thanks for

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Speaker 3: bearing with us. Ken Flow, I know you've been burning

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Speaker 3: it at all ends kids, even hitting those mats at

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Speaker 3: May Rocky BEATJA. How do you fit that in? Right?

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Speaker 3: Like when I can find an excuse to skip jiu

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Speaker 3: jitsu and you had every excuse of all he's still

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Speaker 3: on those beautiful gray bats May Rocky BJJ.

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Speaker 5: That's what That's what keeps me saying, man, That's what

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Speaker 5: keeps me saying teaching and training, and uh, I appreciate it. Man,

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Speaker 5: it's good. It's good to be back with you, and

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Speaker 5: I'll see you next week. And this I got to

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01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 5: close that gap. Man, I'm going to close this gap

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Speaker 5: this week.

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Speaker 3: I have a feeling, well maybe you know what Maybe

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I lose the main event challenge, maybe

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Speaker 3: I'll get like the May Rocky BJJ logo tattooed on

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Speaker 3: my other forearm. I mean, I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not willing to make that commitment.

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Speaker 5: We just got new shirts. I got to send you

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Speaker 5: a new Rocki Brazilian Jujitsu shirt as well.

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Speaker 3: Dude. I mean the logo is so tight that I

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Speaker 3: would actually consider putting it on my body for the

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Speaker 3: rest my life.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 3: See we'll have to say all right, thanks to Jake Ellenberger,

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Speaker 3: Ray Long our guest picker, there Giovanni, thank you everybody,

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports production wise, Danny and John Hill, Ben with

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Speaker 3: sorit Chenko and everybody else. Mister Williams, not forgetting you. You

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Speaker 3: can watch UFC Fight and by the way, this Saturday

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Speaker 3: on FS one. Justin gaegee, James Vick, how good is

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Speaker 3: that flow? You got that studio this weekend or what

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Speaker 3: I am?

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Speaker 5: I'll be in studio this weekend and uh yeah, well

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Speaker 5: back back on UFC tonight. I think I'm with Michael

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Speaker 5: Bisping this week and then I don't know who I'm

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Speaker 5: at the desk with this weekend. It was supposed to

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Speaker 5: be Cormier, but he's busy doing something. But uh yeah,

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Speaker 5: I'll be at the desk.

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Speaker 3: I'll be working, keep printing that paper.

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Speaker 6: Ken.

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