Speaker 1: Previously on Queen of the Khan, Jenshaw's attorneys make the
Speaker 1: case to a federal judge that she's not the scammer
Speaker 1: everyone thinks she is writing.
Speaker 2: Mishaw originally started to work in telemarketing on the legitimate
Speaker 2: and legal side of the business, and was slowly drawn
Speaker 2: into working with a group of men who were committing fraud.
Speaker 2: These men recognize in Mishaw a talent for organizations, hard work,
Speaker 2: and relationship building, and they took advantage of her skills
Speaker 2: to further their own criminal ends.
Speaker 3: She really did blame it on the bad crowd she
Speaker 3: fell in with in New York. But when you're married
Speaker 3: and have two kids, just upping and moving across the
Speaker 3: country to live there and being like and then I
Speaker 3: fell in with a bad crowd, I just don't believe it.
Speaker 1: But her attorneys try again and again to get the
Speaker 1: criminal case against her dismissed for the craziest reasons, like
Speaker 1: she couldn't read her miranda rights.
Speaker 4: Even while being read my rights, I did not understand
Speaker 4: what was going on after I signed the waiver even
Speaker 4: though I could not read it. But before Detective Bastos
Speaker 4: began as questioning, I informed the detective that my contact
Speaker 4: lends were blurry.
Speaker 1: A judge denies her motion to dismiss, and the federal
Speaker 1: case against her grows, and.
Speaker 5: Actually it tied into another investigation that we had, which
Speaker 5: is even spawning on to additional investigations.
Speaker 1: Then suddenly Genshaw gets unceremoniously dumped by her legal team.
Speaker 3: If you don't tell your attorneys the entire truth at
Speaker 3: the beginning, you are never going to get the result
Speaker 3: that you anticipate, and you're going to spend a lot
Speaker 3: of money doing it.
Speaker 1: The new attorneys Jen hires come out swinging, and they
Speaker 1: want a federal judge to force ABC News to turn
Speaker 1: over hundreds of hours of raw footage and all their
Speaker 1: notes they use to produce a documentary about Jen. Her
Speaker 1: attorneys think ABC News has evidence that can clear their
Speaker 1: client's name, and every news organization in the country holds
Speaker 1: their collective breath.
Speaker 3: If a federal judge grants this motion, it could open
Speaker 3: a Pandora's box. It's not how it's supposed to work,
Speaker 3: and there are protections in place for journalists and that
Speaker 3: is why everyone's eyes are on this motion.
Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton, and this is Queen of the Cohn
Speaker 1: The Unreal Housewire episode six. Look, bitch, I'm doing you
Speaker 1: a favor.
Speaker 3: When you think of the real houses of Salt Lake City.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's the gen Sha show.
Speaker 6: Hey no, because party knows Gone.
Speaker 1: That's a clip from a Hulu documentary titled The Housewife
Speaker 1: and the Shawshocker, produced by ABC News.
Speaker 7: The whole time she was filming the show, law enforcement
Speaker 7: was investigating her.
Speaker 8: I don't know if she knew that she was going
Speaker 8: to be arrested that day.
Speaker 1: ABC News even manages to snag an interview with our
Speaker 1: favorite Homeland Security special agent, Ricky Patel.
Speaker 5: She's accused of an elaborate fraud scheme.
Speaker 1: And when that Hulu documentary goes live on November twenty ninth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the very next day, Jenshaw's new legal
Speaker 1: team pounces, writing an angry letter to the federal judge
Speaker 1: in her case, stating.
Speaker 2: In a documentary which was released yesterday by ABC News
Speaker 2: and is available for streaming worldwide, two supervisor reagents with
Speaker 2: Homeland Security Investigations gave interviews about miss Shaw and opined
Speaker 2: on her involvement with the alleged scheme. Her quote unquote
Speaker 2: lavish lifestyle and her alleged treatment of propose victims. Misshaw
Speaker 2: respectfully requested the court grant her leave to file a
Speaker 2: motion to dismiss the indictment. The government's conduct here has
Speaker 2: eradicated Misshaw's right to a fair trial with an untainted
Speaker 2: jury pool. We respectfully submit this letter concerning the government's
Speaker 2: flagrant violation of Local Criminal Rule twenty three point one
Speaker 2: by members of the prosecutorial team.
Speaker 1: Local Criminal Rule twenty three point one states, in part quote,
Speaker 1: it is the duty of government agents not to release
Speaker 1: or authorize the release of non public information or opinion
Speaker 1: in connection with pending criminal litigation. So because government agents
Speaker 1: like Ricky Petateel with Homeland Security granted ABC News and interview,
Speaker 1: Jenshaw's attorneys are now pushing really hard to get the
Speaker 1: entire criminal case against her dismissed on those grounds. But
Speaker 1: Special Agent Ricky Pettel does not regret speaking publicly about
Speaker 1: the Jenshaw case in that document at all.
Speaker 5: This is why I'm taking the time to speak to you,
Speaker 5: and I thank you for actually putting this out there.
Speaker 1: The more attention we give these complex scams, the less
Speaker 1: likely people are to fall for them. She did file
Speaker 1: emotions based on your participation in that ABC News Hulu documentary.
Speaker 1: She singled you out by name that you gave this interview.
Speaker 1: How dare you compromise her ability to defend herself at
Speaker 1: you know, impede her ability to get a fair trial
Speaker 1: and a jury that's not tainted by the documentary. I
Speaker 1: thought the documentary did a good job of portraying her
Speaker 1: at the time. They had her family say good things
Speaker 1: about her, they had supporters say good things about her,
Speaker 1: They presented both sides. I thought they did a good job.
Speaker 5: I agree when I was contacted, I did that based
Speaker 5: on a PSA type environment as well, Right, like, hey,
Speaker 5: we understand what's happened. We know this arrest happened, we
Speaker 5: know this was involving a celebrity, and it was Hey,
Speaker 5: we would like to get the message out there. But
Speaker 5: at the end of the day, my motivation and my
Speaker 5: perception of that was really to say, this could happen,
Speaker 5: and it could be anybody that's behind it, and here's
Speaker 5: why we're doing that. Right So with that motion, it
Speaker 5: just found that to be you have a film crew
Speaker 5: who follows you around on a regular basis, Right, So
Speaker 5: for a documentary to be out there, and yes, they
Speaker 5: interviewed her family members and things like that. I didn't
Speaker 5: know any of that, to be completely frank, to be
Speaker 5: honest with you, I didn't know they were going to
Speaker 5: create a whole show or a whole series or a
Speaker 5: documentary on there. I was asked to, hey, would you
Speaker 5: like to speak about how we can stop fraud and
Speaker 5: elder fraud and things of that nature, And of course
Speaker 5: Jenshaw came up, and of course the investigation came up,
Speaker 5: and I spoke about what I can speak about, right,
Speaker 5: what is open, what is public? Nothing that was sealed,
Speaker 5: nothing that was ongoing, but just what was out there.
Speaker 1: So, in response to Jen's attempt to get her case
Speaker 1: dismissed based on what government agents publicly said in that
Speaker 1: ABC News Hulu doc, prosecutors actually watch the documentary themselves
Speaker 1: and type up everything that was said by the government
Speaker 1: agents interviewed, and then they submit it to the judge, arguing, quote.
Speaker 9: The defendant has not and cannot established that she'll be
Speaker 9: prejudiced at the trial by the HSI officials comments in
Speaker 9: the Hulu show. Her appearance on television with one of
Speaker 9: her criminal defense attorneys, during which the defendant and her
Speaker 9: attorney discuss the pending charges and the circumstances.
Speaker 1: The prosecutor is referring to this scene on Real Housewives
Speaker 1: where Jen is meeting with her lawyer on camera.
Speaker 4: Basically, it's eminent that we have to go to trial
Speaker 4: because anything other than that would be as saying or
Speaker 4: guilty and taking a plea right.
Speaker 3: The only way to stop.
Speaker 10: Let's go to trial.
Speaker 9: The prosecutor continues her efforts to garner publicity, weigh heavily
Speaker 9: against the merits of any potential motion to dismiss. For
Speaker 9: the foregoing reasons, the motion should be denied.
Speaker 1: And a federal judge agrees.
Speaker 11: Responding quote, the agent's statements are largely statements about telemarketing
Speaker 11: fraud overall, with general references to the lifestyles of the
Speaker 11: persons involved and a Homeland security investigation into telemarketing floors.
Speaker 11: Shaw's motion is denied and full.
Speaker 1: But Jenshaw's attorneys aren't giving up yet. On February eleventh,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, in a bold move, they actually subpoena
Speaker 1: ABC News for all the raw footage and notes from
Speaker 1: that documentary, and they want all communications between ABC and
Speaker 1: the prosecution. They're looking for any kind of evidence they
Speaker 1: can find anything anyone said or did behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of that Hulu doc that could potentially get their client off,
Speaker 1: but federal Judge Sidney Stein cuts them off at the knees, writing.
Speaker 11: The United States recognizes a journalist's privilege and light of
Speaker 11: the need to protect the public's interest in being informed
Speaker 11: by a vigorous, aggressive, and independent press. The journalist's privilege
Speaker 11: is a qualified privilege that protects both confidential and non
Speaker 11: confidential press materials from disclosure.
Speaker 1: In Layman's terms, Jenshaw's lawyers will not be granted access
Speaker 1: to all the footage and the behind the scenes notes
Speaker 1: and communications from that ABC News doc. So the criminal
Speaker 1: case against Genshaw and her assistant Stuart Smith starts picking
Speaker 1: up speed as it heads for trial. Jen still swears
Speaker 1: she's innocent, but the federal government has a vast amount
Speaker 1: of hard evidence that clearly shows Genshaw masterminded these scammy
Speaker 1: telemarketing floors. She owned, some ran others, and sold victims
Speaker 1: contact information to yet other scammers she was working with
Speaker 1: for years.
Speaker 3: When you have her confronted by another government agency in
Speaker 3: a deposition questioning her about the business, and instead of
Speaker 3: stopping she finds ways to be sneakier about it and
Speaker 3: keeps going.
Speaker 1: Former prosecutor and host of the Emily Show podcast, Emily D.
Speaker 1: Baker that all.
Speaker 3: Happened after the FTC investigation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In page three of the indictment, I'm going to read
Speaker 1: this portion, Shaw and Smith concealed themselves. For example, Shaw
Speaker 1: and Smith, among other things, incorporated their business entities using
Speaker 1: third parties names and instructed other participants to do the same,
Speaker 1: used and directed others to use encrypted messaging applications to
Speaker 1: communicate with other participants, instructed of other participants to send
Speaker 1: Shaw and Smith's share of certain fraud proceeds to offshore
Speaker 1: bank accounts, and made numerous cash withdrawals structured to avoid
Speaker 1: currency transaction reporting requirements.
Speaker 3: Concealment is a huge part of not getting caught, and
Speaker 3: we saw this in the text messages.
Speaker 1: Oh, the text messages. So the day Jenshaw was arrested,
Speaker 1: her house was raided and all her belongings were confiscated,
Speaker 1: and it soon became very clear that Genshaw was nothing
Speaker 1: more than a professional poser. She didn't own the house
Speaker 1: you saw her in on Housewives, the shaw Ski chalet.
Speaker 1: She was renting her cars were released, a lot of
Speaker 1: her jewelry and the vast majority of her fendies and
Speaker 1: Louis Vauton's and her other high end accouterments were all
Speaker 1: fakes made in China. And then there's her confiscated cell phone, which,
Speaker 1: according to her former personal designer CoA. Johnson, it wasn't
Speaker 1: just one.
Speaker 12: All the cell phones I found in her closet.
Speaker 1: She had a lot of cell phones. Yes, like how many?
Speaker 12: Like at least maybe ten?
Speaker 1: She had ten cell phones.
Speaker 12: Yes, they looked like burner phones.
Speaker 1: And when the government gets their hands on all those
Speaker 1: phones that text messages they extract tell one hell of
Speaker 1: a story. For example, years earlier in twenty eighteen, when
Speaker 1: Jenshaw is being investigated by the Federal Trade Commission, she
Speaker 1: finds out one of her victims actually recorded her company's
Speaker 1: telemarketing call and submitted it as evidence to the FTC.
Speaker 1: And she angrily texts her assistant Stuart Smith, I'm.
Speaker 6: So fucking pissed off.
Speaker 4: This slimy piece of shit of a customer recorded our
Speaker 4: sales pitch and we sound like crooks.
Speaker 6: Now they have our sales.
Speaker 1: Recording, So this proves that as far back as twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: Jenshaw knew she was being investigated by the federal government
Speaker 1: for scamming people, and she went ahead and joined the
Speaker 1: cast of Real Housewives a year later in spite of
Speaker 1: that fact, knowing full well it could all blow up
Speaker 1: up in her face and be televised. Then later in
Speaker 1: October of twenty eighteen, Jen's letting one of her co
Speaker 1: conspirators stay at her New York apartment for a few weeks,
Speaker 1: and she suddenly flies off the handle when she finds
Speaker 1: out that this co conspirator actually got questioned by federal
Speaker 1: investigators and mentioned Jenshaw by name to them. When Jen
Speaker 1: hears that, she promptly fires off an angry text to
Speaker 1: this person, saying.
Speaker 6: Look, bitch, I'm doing you a favor.
Speaker 4: You aren't on the lease and you don't pay rent,
Speaker 4: therefore you don't live here. If someone is doing you
Speaker 4: a favor, you bring my name into a criminal federal
Speaker 4: prosecution case. My home is my place of refuge. They
Speaker 4: could come in with a warrant now at any time
Speaker 4: if they wanted to.
Speaker 1: Again, this was a year before she got cast on Housewives,
Speaker 1: and later when Jenshaw's assistant Stuart Smith is scheduled to
Speaker 1: be questioned by investigators.
Speaker 4: She texts him, your go to answer is I don't
Speaker 4: know or I don't remember. I don't know his best though,
Speaker 4: because if you don't know, you don't know.
Speaker 1: Most people who here they're being investigated by the federal
Speaker 1: government would be scared and maybe stop what they're doing
Speaker 1: and reevaluate. But not Jenshaw, because in a text message
Speaker 1: from all the way back in March of twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: she writes to a co conspirator.
Speaker 4: I have gone to great lengths to keep everything confidential.
Speaker 4: I do not want anyone to know anything they shouldn't
Speaker 4: be saying my name.
Speaker 1: And then later in December of twenty seventeen, she texts
Speaker 1: her assistant Stuart Smith.
Speaker 4: I flew to Palm Springs this morning and met with
Speaker 4: that guy and flew back. He will let us use
Speaker 4: his company in Cyprus to set up international.
Speaker 6: They have a twelve thousand square foot facility in Cyprus
Speaker 6: and Kosovo.
Speaker 4: He was basically saying that they have the directors and
Speaker 4: nominees all set up already and we could use their
Speaker 4: corporation setup. We have to do it and minimize the risk.
Speaker 1: Like most con artists, Jen Shaw is overly confident. She
Speaker 1: thinks she's the smartest person in the room, and she
Speaker 1: really believes she can get away with anything. At this point,
Speaker 1: she lets all her partners in crime know that she
Speaker 1: wants to be paid in cash from now on. And
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, before the FTC investigation, jen and her team
Speaker 1: of scammers were texting each other on a messaging app
Speaker 1: called Viber. Then after she heard her companies were under investigation,
Speaker 1: she had everyone switched to an encrypted messaging app called Telegram.
Speaker 1: Texting her assistant Stuart Smith.
Speaker 4: I told Chrystil to download Telegram and we'll have all
Speaker 4: the reps download Telegram as well. That way we will
Speaker 4: have everyone delete their Viber accounts. I told Conan to
Speaker 4: let the sales group and vibr that he set up.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly Jensh that's all quickly establishes an entirely
Speaker 1: new identity on Telegram.
Speaker 7: Instead of using Jennifer Shaw or Genshaw. Her name on
Speaker 7: Telegram was Becky White. She was Becky with the good hair.
Speaker 7: It was good hair because she was stealing it from
Speaker 7: all these elderly people.
Speaker 1: That's Zach Peter again from the No Filter with Zach
Speaker 1: Peter podcast.
Speaker 7: So just because you call yourself Becky and you collect
Speaker 7: your payments in cash, doesn't mean you're actually innocent. Jenshaw,
Speaker 7: we know who you are. Becky with the good hair,
Speaker 7: soon to be Becky with the bad hair, because she's
Speaker 7: gonna be in prison and she's not gonna be able
Speaker 7: to get it blown out anymore. Becky White. Of all
Speaker 7: the names to pick, she was probably like, Okay, I
Speaker 7: have seniors on top of mine.
Speaker 3: Betty White's pretty great.
Speaker 7: Let's just call it myself Becky White, because I love
Speaker 7: I love senior citizens so much.
Speaker 1: I do think that was the calculus. Absolutely, you come
Speaker 1: up with a name that will engender trust out of
Speaker 1: your mouth. Yeah, you're right. I think that played into
Speaker 1: her decision to choose that night.
Speaker 7: I mean, you don't really look at Genshaw and see
Speaker 7: a Becky White, you know.
Speaker 1: But Jenshaw, acutely aware now she's under federal investigation, just
Speaker 1: keeps thumbing her nose at authorities and continues scamming with
Speaker 1: her telemarketing companies. It almost feels like she's daring the
Speaker 1: Feds to do something about it.
Speaker 3: We found somebody to help us move things offshore and
Speaker 3: to move the business entities to Kosovo, so we can
Speaker 3: run this for a long time.
Speaker 1: Former Prosecutor Emily D. Baker again paraphrasing some of Jenshaw's
Speaker 1: text messages from court records.
Speaker 3: Evading detection is a big part of this, and we
Speaker 3: know that Jenshaw started taking more evasive measures after the
Speaker 3: FTC started coming down on her. So she had already
Speaker 3: been deposed, she had already been part of businesses that
Speaker 3: were shut down. She knew that the government was looking
Speaker 3: at her and was like, you know, but I can
Speaker 3: do this better so that they don't come after us,
Speaker 3: or they can't find the same evidence. We're gonna use
Speaker 3: encryptive messaging instead of text messaging. We're gonna make sure
Speaker 3: they can't get to the computers. She learned from the
Speaker 3: first time she was deposed what they found and how
Speaker 3: they shut those businesses down, and took those lessons and
Speaker 3: got better at becoming evasive. You're not going to be
Speaker 3: in a con game very long if you get caught
Speaker 3: off the bat. So having things offshore is very common,
Speaker 3: having business entities moving things around is very common, and
Speaker 3: that's why there was a money laundering charge here as well.
Speaker 1: And this is what upsets me the most is because
Speaker 1: I call into question everything I think I know about
Speaker 1: the universe and people. Right when you hear her declaring
Speaker 1: her innocence all that time, you know, taking her mother's
Speaker 1: money to pay lawyers. I'm a woman of color. It's
Speaker 1: a prosecution. She seems so believable and she's so emphatic
Speaker 1: that she's innocent. Yeah, that is all an act because
Speaker 1: for years record show she's doing all these things. She's evasive,
Speaker 1: she's hiding the money encrypted apps, offshore companies so she
Speaker 1: can't get caught. She knows it's wrong. It just makes
Speaker 1: me call into question what anyone says because she's so believable.
Speaker 1: But it was all a lie.
Speaker 3: She is believable, but it's part of the game. Being
Speaker 3: believable is a huge part of the game here for
Speaker 3: her and keeping the people around her invested. You never
Speaker 3: know how you might be able to leverage the relationships
Speaker 3: around you, especially as you're getting ready for trial. You
Speaker 3: saw members of the cast show up in New York
Speaker 3: as she was getting ready to go to trial to
Speaker 3: support her, to be there for her, to support her.
Speaker 1: Yes, fellow Housewives castmate Heather Gay had gens back the
Speaker 1: entire time. As she tells Meredith Mars on this Real
Speaker 1: Housewives after show episode.
Speaker 6: We know and love Jen and love being around her.
Speaker 3: It's it's an easy way to show up and offer
Speaker 3: whatever we can.
Speaker 1: And it's like I want to shake them all and
Speaker 1: shake her. It's like, God, what a waste of time.
Speaker 1: Not only is she a deplorable human being for doing
Speaker 1: this to all these other people, but ensnaring all the
Speaker 1: loving people in her life to.
Speaker 3: Support her, who trusted her.
Speaker 1: It's another crime. Eventually, though, Jenshaw's most trusted supporter and
Speaker 1: literal partner in crime, her assistant Stuart Smith, who himself
Speaker 1: is indicted along with Jenshaw, turns on her.
Speaker 3: If I'm Stuart's attorney, the first thing I'm saying is
Speaker 3: what do you know about her? What do you have
Speaker 3: to prove it? And she is immediately going to try
Speaker 3: to pin this on you, and you need to get
Speaker 3: there first. But he also had the advantage of Jen
Speaker 3: speaking publicly saying I'm innocent, I'm not doing this, so
Speaker 3: he knew she wasn't going to just accept responsibility. And
Speaker 3: they work together so long he has to know how
Speaker 3: she operates, and I don't think he trusted that she
Speaker 3: wouldn't try to pin this all on him. I think
Speaker 3: the second stort got arrested, and this is all my opinion,
Speaker 3: but I think the second Storart got arrested. What he
Speaker 3: or his attorney said to federal prosecutors is, let me
Speaker 3: tell you everything I know about Genshaw, because Jen's the
Speaker 3: one living the lavish lifestyle, not Stuart. Jen's the one
Speaker 3: on television saying you know he's out here making me money.
Speaker 3: Jen is the one portraying the lavish lifestyle and painting
Speaker 3: Stuart as the lackey. I think he used that to
Speaker 3: his advantage.
Speaker 1: In November of twenty twenty one, Stuart Smith pleads guilty
Speaker 1: to three counts conspiracy to commit wirefraud, money laundering, and
Speaker 1: obstruction of justice. He tells the judge quote.
Speaker 10: I know only and intentionally discussed and engaged with the
Speaker 10: other individuals to develop a plan to obtain money by
Speaker 10: four representation by offering and inducing individuals, many of whom
Speaker 10: were over fifty years of age, to provide money to
Speaker 10: entities that I knowthers were involved with.
Speaker 1: As part of his plea, Stuart agrees to help federal
Speaker 1: prosecutors build a stronger case not just against jen Shaw,
Speaker 1: but against the whole scammy telemarketing and Shalada. It's early
Speaker 1: July twenty twenty three now, and Stuart Smith still hasn't
Speaker 1: been sentenced yet.
Speaker 3: I imagine he is still working with the Feds to
Speaker 3: wrap this up, because after Stuart got arrested, another co
Speaker 3: defendant got indicted, popped up and pled and was sentenced
Speaker 3: almost immediately. So I think Stuart is still working with
Speaker 3: the Feds. And Stuart was the one closest to jen
Speaker 3: and had the most to turn over. He didn't even
Speaker 3: go to pre trials on this. His attorney said no, no,
Speaker 3: we don't need any of these court hearings, no motion filing, nothing.
Speaker 3: They based on all of the court filings. I think
Speaker 3: they immediately started working with prosecutors once he was arrested.
Speaker 1: And it's not only Stuart Smith helping prosecutors build a
Speaker 1: stronger case against Jenshaw.
Speaker 13: So I did submit evidence to the federal government, quite
Speaker 13: a lot of evidence.
Speaker 1: Jen's former designer, CoA. Johnson, who, if you recall, Jen
Speaker 1: had stopped paying for months, who was only too happy
Speaker 1: to turn over all the evidence he had to federal
Speaker 1: investigators too, Like what kinds of evidence. Are we talking?
Speaker 13: Text message is conversations between her Stewart, her Stewart coach,
Speaker 13: her Stuart, my colleagues on the business. I saw some
Speaker 13: of my evidence in the last summaries that the state
Speaker 13: prosecutor submitted.
Speaker 1: So with Stuart Smith pleading guilty and pointing the finger
Speaker 1: at Jenshaw, and with Coed Johnson and several others submitting
Speaker 1: even more evidence against her to prosecutors, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it feels like the universe is conspiring to take Jenshaw down.
Speaker 1: If she goes to trial and is found guilty, she
Speaker 1: could be looking at decades behind bars, But the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system has a way of rewarding people for pleading
Speaker 1: guilty because it saves the government potentially millions of dollars
Speaker 1: in a lengthy trial. Though Jenshaw is still swearing she's
Speaker 1: innocent and a trial date is set for July eighteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. But when her attorneys get a look
Speaker 1: at all the evidence from her former assistant Stuart Smith,
Speaker 1: and from her former designer CoA. Johnson, and from the
Speaker 1: dozens of others who turned on her. After months of
Speaker 1: claiming she's innocent and publicly implying she's being prosecuted because
Speaker 1: she's quote unquote a woman of color. Jenshaw suddenly changes
Speaker 1: her tune. On July eleventh, twenty two, a week before
Speaker 1: her trial is set to start, Genshaw stuns the world
Speaker 1: and pleads guilty, telling the court quote.
Speaker 4: From twenty twelve to March of twenty twenty one, in
Speaker 4: the Southern District of New York and elsewhere, I agreed
Speaker 4: with others to commit wirefraud. I knew this was wrong.
Speaker 4: I knew many people were harmed, and I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I am shaw shocked that Jenshaw pled guilty. Shocked, I
Speaker 3: tell you shocked.
Speaker 1: Former prosecutor Emily D. Baker on her popular YouTube show
Speaker 1: The Day Jenshaw pled guilty.
Speaker 3: The judge still has control over sentencing. What is hard
Speaker 3: and fast is that Jenshaw pled guilty and can't withdraw
Speaker 3: that guilty plea. That is it. The plea is entered.
Speaker 3: She pled guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit wirefraud.
Speaker 3: This charge carries up to thirty years maximum sense. What
Speaker 3: she will be sentenced to depends on the judge. What
Speaker 3: we know for sure is that she is going to
Speaker 3: forfeit six point five million to the government. That is
Speaker 3: the government taking your shit. That is what a forfeiture is.
Speaker 3: That can be bank accounts that were already seized, that
Speaker 3: can be cash that was taken out of her home
Speaker 3: during the search warrant. Then there is a nine point
Speaker 3: five million dollar restitution agreement. Jenshaw is said by the
Speaker 3: government to be one of the most culpable in this case.
Speaker 1: And because of that, prosecutors want the judge to sentence
Speaker 1: her to ten years in federal prison. In a brief
Speaker 1: to the court, they write.
Speaker 9: The defendant was not deterred by the Federal Trade Commission's
Speaker 9: investigations or enforcement actions, nor by learning that dozens of
Speaker 9: her co conspirators have been arrested by federal law enforcement
Speaker 9: and pled guilty for their roles in the scheme. She
Speaker 9: engaged in a years long, comprehensive effort to hide her
Speaker 9: continued role.
Speaker 11: In the scheme.
Speaker 9: Despite the defendant's best efforts, she got caught. She then
Speaker 9: went on a public offensive and tried to profit off
Speaker 9: the charges by selling Justice for Jen merchandise. She played
Speaker 9: guilty at the eleventh hour only after receiving the government's
Speaker 9: trial exhibits and witness statements in light of her conduct
Speaker 9: and her post arrest behavior, herbulated expressions of remorse ring hollow.
Speaker 1: Federal Judge Sidney Stein has the latitude here to do
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. He could give her the maximum thirty years,
Speaker 1: or he could give her probation and no prison time
Speaker 1: at all. The balls in his court and Jenshaw's lawyers
Speaker 1: know that they think three years in prison is enough
Speaker 1: to teach Shenshaw a lesson. In their sentencing memo to
Speaker 1: Judge Stein, they make a really creative case for leniency,
Speaker 1: writing Miss.
Speaker 2: Shaw's failure to plead guilty early in the investigation is
Speaker 2: not a reflection of her lack of remorse. Rather, it
Speaker 2: reflects the enormous shame and guilty feels and the difficulty
Speaker 2: she has endured in admitting to all those who love
Speaker 2: and admire her that she had committed this crime, a
Speaker 2: mistake that has not only ruined her own life, but
Speaker 2: has broken her heart as she has watched the damage
Speaker 2: that her actions have caused to the family that she
Speaker 2: loves so dearly.
Speaker 1: Her lawyers then try to leverage Jenshaw's childhood for sympathy.
Speaker 2: Jen was so deeply affected by the ridicule she had
Speaker 2: to endure from her classmates because her physical appearance differed
Speaker 2: from the predominantly Caucasian community in Utah. Jen grew up
Speaker 2: as an outsider in a hostile and strange environment, a
Speaker 2: place that did not welcome strange children of color.
Speaker 1: After Jen's lawyers finished pulling at every heartstring they can find,
Speaker 1: Jenshaw herself writes to the judge, I'm posting a copy
Speaker 1: of her letter at Queen of the Khan on Instagram
Speaker 1: so you can read it in its entirety, though there
Speaker 1: are a few redres actions, Jen Wrights, I.
Speaker 4: Accept complete responsibility for my bad conduct. The terrible business
Speaker 4: decisions I made in professional relationships I developed stemmed from
Speaker 4: some personal, painful experiences that I was going through in
Speaker 4: my life. As a lawyer, my husband worked horrible hours,
Speaker 4: but at least he was able to bring his work
Speaker 4: home so he could be with the family. As a
Speaker 4: college football coach, he worked more hours a week, traveled
Speaker 4: across the country for recruiting, and was not allowed to
Speaker 4: leave the football facility until the wee hours of the morning.
Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, my life hit as serious crossroads. At
Speaker 4: that time, I had been married for twenty two years,
Speaker 4: and my marriage began to significantly suffer as a result
Speaker 4: of trying to balance his job, my job raising our boys,
Speaker 4: and our community involvement. We grew apart and our marriage
Speaker 4: began to crumble. Things got so bad that we started
Speaker 4: talking about separation and divorce. I was so angry because
Speaker 4: I sacrificed so much to support my husband in reaching
Speaker 4: his education and career goals, and now it felt as
Speaker 4: if it were for nothing. He was never around. I
Speaker 4: was doing everything alone. My heart was completely broken, and
Speaker 4: I became sincerely scared to think about life without my husband.
Speaker 1: Jen goes on to say that she was depressed about
Speaker 1: her marriage potentially ending, and she had sudden deaths in
Speaker 1: the family that also took an emotional toll on her.
Speaker 4: She writes, while all of this was going on, the
Speaker 4: pressure was significant because my marriage was almost over, I
Speaker 4: needed money. I lost my grandmother in January twenty eighteen,
Speaker 4: whom I was very close with as she helped raise me.
Speaker 4: When I thought things couldn't get any worse, my entire
Speaker 4: world came crashing down with my father unexpectedly passed away
Speaker 4: on September eighth, twenty eighteen. My husband did not come
Speaker 4: to my father's funeral, which felt like a devastating admission
Speaker 4: that our marriage was over. Ultimately, these failures all happened
Speaker 4: at a very dark time in my life. My poor
Speaker 4: judgment and bad business associations caused innocent people to lose
Speaker 4: their money and be victimized by investing in poorly structured
Speaker 4: businesses or products that I influenced or controlled. For that,
Speaker 4: I am genuinely sorry, and I will work for the
Speaker 4: rest of my life to make it right.
Speaker 1: It's just amazing to me that, after pleading guilty for
Speaker 1: scamming thousands of people out of millions of dollars using
Speaker 1: her fraudulent telemarketing cons Jenshaw has the audacity to frame
Speaker 1: her sophisticated scams as quote poorly structured businesses or products
Speaker 1: that I influenced or controlled.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: If I was Judge Sidney Stein, I'd see that statement
Speaker 1: as an utter lack of recognition of her crime, pointing
Speaker 1: to a confounding absence of actual remorse.
Speaker 3: Interestingly, it's not signed. It's typed up, but it's not signed.
Speaker 1: Former prosecutor Emily D. Baker, again commenting on the fact
Speaker 1: that the thirty other people who submitted letters to the
Speaker 1: court on behalf of Jenshaw signed them, but Jen didn't
Speaker 1: sign hers.
Speaker 3: Whether the judge buys it or not is a whole
Speaker 3: separate thing.
Speaker 1: Speaking of separate things, prosecutors get really annoyed at how
Speaker 1: hard Jenshaw and the thirty family members and friends she
Speaker 1: got to write letters on her behalf to the judge
Speaker 1: are trying to portray her as this pillar of the
Speaker 1: community who's never been in trouble with the law until now.
Speaker 1: Not so fast, they say, Jenshaw actually has run a
Speaker 1: foul of the law quite recently, as a matter of fact.
Speaker 3: And this all came out very quickly before sentencing because
Speaker 3: Jen her sentencing memo is I've had a very hard life.
Speaker 3: I'm an upset, standing, loving wife and mother. The bad
Speaker 3: crowd in New York. These criminals over here, not me.
Speaker 3: These criminals over there pulled me in and manipulated me,
Speaker 3: and it was a dark time in my life. It
Speaker 3: was basically like a gray hoodie YouTuber apology in this
Speaker 3: sentencing memo of woe. And I think some of it's
Speaker 3: true and some of its spin. And that's all sentencing memos.
Speaker 3: It's advocacy for Jen to get sentenced less and the
Speaker 3: government came out with this, actually, your honor, though she's
Speaker 3: never been convicted of anything, we have had these other
Speaker 3: instances with her, including this restraining order. And they said
Speaker 3: that the woman had reached out directly to them and said,
Speaker 3: this was my interaction with Jenshaw. She drove from Utah
Speaker 3: to Nevada to come accost me at two o'clock in
Speaker 3: the morning at my front door and scream at me
Speaker 3: something about Jen having an affair with this woman's husband.
Speaker 3: We don't know if that is true or not. But
Speaker 3: the woman went and got a restraining order. Apparently Jen
Speaker 3: has kind of spun this as this is all just
Speaker 3: lies and people piling on, but it was a very
Speaker 3: interesting story because the restraining order did exist. This woman
Speaker 3: spoke to TMZ and said, yes, this is what happened.
Speaker 3: She showed up banging down my door at two o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning, and she's not exactly what she's portraying
Speaker 3: herself to be. Jen's attorneys told TMZ, quote, we have
Speaker 3: proof that this woman is lying about this alleged affair.
Speaker 3: An email from this woman to Misshaw's husband, dated four
Speaker 3: days after the restraining order, in which she acknowledges that
Speaker 3: there was no affair. This scorn woman lied to prosecutors
Speaker 3: in an attempt to exact her own revenge against Genshaw.
Speaker 3: So that's what Jen's attorneys said about the entire thing.
Speaker 7: I mean.
Speaker 1: They also said the entire case against Genshaw should be
Speaker 1: dismissed because of her glurry contacts while she was being
Speaker 1: read her miranda rights, or because of that Hulu documentary
Speaker 1: tainting the jury pool. They also said Jenshaw is not
Speaker 1: the criminal here. It's those evil men in New York
Speaker 1: who roped her into scamming. But you heard some of
Speaker 1: those text messages she sent after she found out she
Speaker 1: was being investigated.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm so fucking pissed off.
Speaker 4: This slimy piece of shit of a customer recorded our
Speaker 4: sales pitch and we sound like crooks.
Speaker 6: Now they have our sales recording.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Judge Stein sentences Jenshaw to six and a half
Speaker 1: years in federal prison and orders her and her co
Speaker 1: defendants to pay six point seven million dollars in restitution
Speaker 1: to the victims. Victims like sixty four year old Penny Pucket.
Speaker 3: She needed more, who.
Speaker 1: As you heard in episode three, got scammed out of
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars through Jenshaw's telemarketing scheme.
Speaker 3: We probably will never be able to be retired.
Speaker 5: We'll have to work until we can't work anymore.
Speaker 1: What's truly noteworthy about Genshaw, and really about any con artist,
Speaker 1: is they do actually reveal who they are before they
Speaker 1: scam you, if you're paying close enough attention.
Speaker 8: I would call her a narcissist with sociopathic features.
Speaker 1: Beverly Hill's forensic psychologist, doctor Alice Berkowitz, Who's never met
Speaker 1: Genshaw but talks to the gen Shaws of the world
Speaker 1: literally all day every day.
Speaker 8: I've worked a lot in criminal court, and I've worked
Speaker 8: a lot with white collar crime. She's just so full
Speaker 8: of herself and believes that she's beyond reproach. The sociopathic features.
Speaker 8: Sociopathic features are antisocial personalities. They're the people that are
Speaker 8: going to be criminals. They're the people that are going
Speaker 8: to be politicians. I'm sorry to say, but she doesn't
Speaker 8: have any morals, sure them have a moral code, and
Speaker 8: does not believe she could get caught. I think that
Speaker 8: fact her getting onto the Housewives of Salt Lake City
Speaker 8: was her feeling like she was above everything, which is
Speaker 8: a narcissism. But the telemarketing scheme is so sociopathic. She
Speaker 8: hadn't know that was not right. She didn't care. She
Speaker 8: thought she was above it. And they're the worst people
Speaker 8: to deal with.
Speaker 1: In an interview Jenshaw gave to access Hollywood's Housewives Nightcap
Speaker 1: before anyone knew she was a scammer. When asked to
Speaker 1: explain what she did for a living, the best.
Speaker 6: Way to describe it is, I'm the Wizard of Oz.
Speaker 4: I'm like the one behind the curtain that nobody knows exists,
Speaker 4: but I'm the one making everything happen.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm the Wizard of Oz. And she thinks that
Speaker 1: evokes a magical quality about her that people will be
Speaker 1: enamored by or impressed by that she's magical. But if
Speaker 1: you've seen The Wizard of Oz, you know that by
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, he's a con artist. Everything
Speaker 1: was a lie. Nothing he said or did was true.
Speaker 1: Smoking mirrors literally, So was Jenshaw giving herself away unintentionally.
Speaker 1: Do con artists do that in your experience?
Speaker 8: Sometimes? Yeah, But you know, the Wizard of Oz also
Speaker 8: never got in trouble for being a Connor.
Speaker 6: He got away with it.
Speaker 1: He did, didn't he?
Speaker 8: So I think for her being the Wizard of Oz
Speaker 8: means I can get away with anything. I'll just make magic.
Speaker 8: But there are people that want to get caught. I
Speaker 8: don't think she's one of them, though. I think she
Speaker 8: really thought she'd get away with this.
Speaker 1: And Jen Shaw didn't pull this massive telemarketing scam off
Speaker 1: by herself. She was working with dozens of other co
Speaker 1: conspirators over the years, which makes me wonder what did Coach,
Speaker 1: her husband know much more than he let on. That's
Speaker 1: what Jen's former designer, Cola Johnson believes.
Speaker 13: I remember one time Stuart screwed up on some kind
Speaker 13: of transaction or lost like about eight million, and Jenna
Speaker 13: was very upset, and she came down to the office
Speaker 13: late at night with Coach and they were both yelling
Speaker 13: and screaming at him, asking him where their money is.
Speaker 13: I'm just like, okay, I understand why your husband's coming
Speaker 13: into the conversation of your business. I mean, unless your
Speaker 13: husband's a part of this business.
Speaker 1: It sounds like Coach knew what was going on.
Speaker 12: Absolutely. He's a very smart man. He's a lawyer. He
Speaker 12: was very involved in a lot of the.
Speaker 13: Group text messages that converse about the business that I
Speaker 13: was doing with her and the business that Stuart was doing,
Speaker 13: So I mean he knew a lot and his wife
Speaker 13: was doing his crime for almost ten years, like also
Speaker 13: realizing the benefits of her crime. He benefited from it,
Speaker 13: her children benefited from it.
Speaker 12: So I've no he knew what she was doing for sure.
Speaker 1: We don't know for a fact if Coach Shaw knew
Speaker 1: about Jen's crimes. But even if he did, Homeland Security
Speaker 1: Special Agent Ricky Pttel says, that doesn't necessarily make Coach
Speaker 1: guilty of a crime.
Speaker 14: You know, just speaking about something, speaking about a business
Speaker 14: doesn't necessarily mean that you're actively engaged in it, you're
Speaker 14: actively involved in it, or that you conducted any overacts
Speaker 14: right that you actually were a participant or a leader.
Speaker 1: On February seventeenth, twenty twenty three, Jen Shaw reported to
Speaker 1: federal prison in Brian, Texas, about one hundred miles east
Speaker 1: of Austin. It's July now, twenty twenty three, and none
Speaker 1: of Jenshaw's victims have seen a single dime in restitution.
Speaker 3: Restitution is very difficult. It's very difficult to get criminal
Speaker 3: courts are set up for punishment. They are so up
Speaker 3: for probation to prevent you from doing the crime things again.
Speaker 3: And they're set up for custody time. That's it. They
Speaker 3: are not well set up for the victim restitution.
Speaker 1: And I just think it's unnecessarily complicated. If I was
Speaker 1: in charge of the world, or at least the criminal
Speaker 1: justice system, and you issue a court order for restitution
Speaker 1: to a victim, that should automatically be attached to that
Speaker 1: perpetrators social security number and name, so any money that
Speaker 1: comes in comes to them from anywhere automatically gets diverted
Speaker 1: to the victim.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a simple way to do this, but
Speaker 3: the IRS has figured that out. The IRS has a
Speaker 3: great way to attach people's property exactly. The government could
Speaker 3: do it for themselves.
Speaker 1: If a victim gets court ordered restitution, it should be
Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be.
Speaker 1: And in the prosecutor's minds, they got their convictions, they're happy,
Speaker 1: they've moved on. So this money that theoretically, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just theorizing, coach could be living on for the rest
Speaker 1: of his life. These millions of dollars she might have
Speaker 1: stashed in Kosovo or God.
Speaker 3: Wherever could be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one cares. No one's keeping tabs. They
Speaker 1: moved on to the next gammer.
Speaker 3: Yep, they've moved on to the next case.
Speaker 1: Next time on Queen of the Khan.
Speaker 3: So Elizabeth Holmes has asked to go to the same
Speaker 3: federal prison camp that Jenshaw's at. This doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: Both of them have argued similar things. I was caught
Speaker 3: up in this. I was trying to prove myself as
Speaker 3: a woman in this field. The men around me were
Speaker 3: manipulating me. I didn't know that this was fraudulent.
Speaker 1: And a woman who literally sat across from Elizabeth Holmes
Speaker 1: every day during her trial.
Speaker 6: Some of it will never live my brain ASTs.
Speaker 1: It has some really insightful takeaways.
Speaker 3: She named her daughter Invicta, which means invincible or unconquered.
Speaker 6: I mean it's as adult.
Speaker 1: Portions of public statements from court records and from Jenshaw's
Speaker 1: text messages were dramatized verbatim in this episode. Queen of
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