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Speaker 2: Mishaw originally started to work in telemarketing on the legitimate

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Speaker 3: She really did blame it on the bad crowd she

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Speaker 1: But her attorneys try again and again to get the

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Speaker 4: Even while being read my rights, I did not understand

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Speaker 1: A judge denies her motion to dismiss, and the federal

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Speaker 5: Actually it tied into another investigation that we had, which

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Speaker 1: Then suddenly Genshaw gets unceremoniously dumped by her legal team.

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Speaker 3: If you don't tell your attorneys the entire truth at

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Speaker 1: The new attorneys Jen hires come out swinging, and they

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Speaker 3: If a federal judge grants this motion, it could open

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Speaker 1: I'm Jonathan Walton, and this is Queen of the Cohn

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Speaker 1: The Unreal Housewire episode six. Look, bitch, I'm doing you

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Speaker 3: When you think of the real houses of Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's the gen Sha show.

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Speaker 6: Hey no, because party knows Gone.

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Speaker 1: That's a clip from a Hulu documentary titled The Housewife

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Speaker 7: The whole time she was filming the show, law enforcement

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Speaker 8: I don't know if she knew that she was going

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Speaker 1: ABC News even manages to snag an interview with our

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Speaker 5: She's accused of an elaborate fraud scheme.

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Speaker 1: And when that Hulu documentary goes live on November twenty ninth,

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Speaker 2: In a documentary which was released yesterday by ABC News

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Speaker 5: This is why I'm taking the time to speak to you,

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Speaker 1: The more attention we give these complex scams, the less

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Speaker 1: She singled you out by name that you gave this interview.

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Speaker 1: How dare you compromise her ability to defend herself at

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Speaker 5: I agree when I was contacted, I did that based

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Speaker 5: and I spoke about what I can speak about, right,

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Speaker 1: So, in response to Jen's attempt to get her case

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Speaker 4: Basically, it's eminent that we have to go to trial

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Speaker 3: The only way to stop.

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Speaker 10: Let's go to trial.

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Speaker 9: The prosecutor continues her efforts to garner publicity, weigh heavily

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Speaker 1: And a federal judge agrees.

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Speaker 11: Responding quote, the agent's statements are largely statements about telemarketing

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Speaker 11: Shaw's motion is denied and full.

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Speaker 1: But Jenshaw's attorneys aren't giving up yet. On February eleventh,

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Speaker 11: The United States recognizes a journalist's privilege and light of

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Speaker 3: When you have her confronted by another government agency in

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Speaker 3: Happened after the FTC investigation. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In page three of the indictment, I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: this portion, Shaw and Smith concealed themselves. For example, Shaw

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Speaker 3: Concealment is a huge part of not getting caught, and

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Speaker 1: Oh, the text messages. So the day Jenshaw was arrested,

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Speaker 12: All the cell phones I found in her closet.

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Speaker 1: Jenshaw is being investigated by the Federal Trade Commission, she

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Speaker 1: And she angrily texts her assistant Stuart Smith, I'm.

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Speaker 6: So fucking pissed off.

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Speaker 4: This slimy piece of shit of a customer recorded our

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Speaker 1: Recording, So this proves that as far back as twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 7: So just because you call yourself Becky and you collect

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Speaker 3: Evading detection is a big part of this, and we

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Speaker 6: We know and love Jen and love being around her.

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Speaker 3: It's it's an easy way to show up and offer

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Speaker 1: It's another crime. Eventually, though, Jenshaw's most trusted supporter and

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Speaker 3: If I'm Stuart's attorney, the first thing I'm saying is

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Speaker 1: In November of twenty twenty one, Stuart Smith pleads guilty

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Speaker 1: As part of his plea, Stuart agrees to help federal

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Speaker 3: I imagine he is still working with the Feds to

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Speaker 1: And it's not only Stuart Smith helping prosecutors build a

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Speaker 13: Text message is conversations between her Stewart, her Stewart coach,

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Speaker 3: The judge still has control over sentencing. What is hard

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Speaker 3: She pled guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit wirefraud.

440
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: This charge carries up to thirty years maximum sense. What

441
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: she will be sentenced to depends on the judge. What

442
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: we know for sure is that she is going to

443
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 3: forfeit six point five million to the government. That is

444
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 3: the government taking your shit. That is what a forfeiture is.

445
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 3: That can be bank accounts that were already seized, that

446
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: can be cash that was taken out of her home

447
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 3: during the search warrant. Then there is a nine point

448
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: five million dollar restitution agreement. Jenshaw is said by the

449
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: government to be one of the most culpable in this case.

450
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Speaker 1: And because of that, prosecutors want the judge to sentence

451
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Speaker 1: her to ten years in federal prison. In a brief

452
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Speaker 1: to the court, they write.

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Speaker 9: The defendant was not deterred by the Federal Trade Commission's

454
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 9: investigations or enforcement actions, nor by learning that dozens of

455
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 9: her co conspirators have been arrested by federal law enforcement

456
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 9: and pled guilty for their roles in the scheme. She

457
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 9: engaged in a years long, comprehensive effort to hide her

458
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 9: continued role.

459
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 11: In the scheme.

460
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 9: Despite the defendant's best efforts, she got caught. She then

461
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 9: went on a public offensive and tried to profit off

462
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 9: the charges by selling Justice for Jen merchandise. She played

463
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 9: guilty at the eleventh hour only after receiving the government's

464
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 9: trial exhibits and witness statements in light of her conduct

465
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 9: and her post arrest behavior, herbulated expressions of remorse ring hollow.

466
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Speaker 1: Federal Judge Sidney Stein has the latitude here to do

467
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: whatever he wants. He could give her the maximum thirty years,

468
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: or he could give her probation and no prison time

469
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: at all. The balls in his court and Jenshaw's lawyers

470
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: know that they think three years in prison is enough

471
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: to teach Shenshaw a lesson. In their sentencing memo to

472
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Speaker 1: Judge Stein, they make a really creative case for leniency,

473
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: writing Miss.

474
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: Shaw's failure to plead guilty early in the investigation is

475
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: not a reflection of her lack of remorse. Rather, it

476
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: reflects the enormous shame and guilty feels and the difficulty

477
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 2: she has endured in admitting to all those who love

478
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: and admire her that she had committed this crime, a

479
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: mistake that has not only ruined her own life, but

480
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: has broken her heart as she has watched the damage

481
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 2: that her actions have caused to the family that she

482
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: loves so dearly.

483
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: Her lawyers then try to leverage Jenshaw's childhood for sympathy.

484
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: Jen was so deeply affected by the ridicule she had

485
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 2: to endure from her classmates because her physical appearance differed

486
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: from the predominantly Caucasian community in Utah. Jen grew up

487
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: as an outsider in a hostile and strange environment, a

488
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: place that did not welcome strange children of color.

489
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: After Jen's lawyers finished pulling at every heartstring they can find,

490
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: Jenshaw herself writes to the judge, I'm posting a copy

491
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: of her letter at Queen of the Khan on Instagram

492
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: so you can read it in its entirety, though there

493
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: are a few redres actions, Jen Wrights, I.

494
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: Accept complete responsibility for my bad conduct. The terrible business

495
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: decisions I made in professional relationships I developed stemmed from

496
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 4: some personal, painful experiences that I was going through in

497
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: my life. As a lawyer, my husband worked horrible hours,

498
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: but at least he was able to bring his work

499
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 4: home so he could be with the family. As a

500
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 4: college football coach, he worked more hours a week, traveled

501
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: across the country for recruiting, and was not allowed to

502
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: leave the football facility until the wee hours of the morning.

503
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: In twenty sixteen, my life hit as serious crossroads. At

504
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: that time, I had been married for twenty two years,

505
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 4: and my marriage began to significantly suffer as a result

506
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 4: of trying to balance his job, my job raising our boys,

507
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 4: and our community involvement. We grew apart and our marriage

508
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: began to crumble. Things got so bad that we started

509
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 4: talking about separation and divorce. I was so angry because

510
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: I sacrificed so much to support my husband in reaching

511
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 4: his education and career goals, and now it felt as

512
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: if it were for nothing. He was never around. I

513
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 4: was doing everything alone. My heart was completely broken, and

514
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: I became sincerely scared to think about life without my husband.

515
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: Jen goes on to say that she was depressed about

516
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: her marriage potentially ending, and she had sudden deaths in

517
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: the family that also took an emotional toll on her.

518
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 4: She writes, while all of this was going on, the

519
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: pressure was significant because my marriage was almost over, I

520
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 4: needed money. I lost my grandmother in January twenty eighteen,

521
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 4: whom I was very close with as she helped raise me.

522
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 4: When I thought things couldn't get any worse, my entire

523
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: world came crashing down with my father unexpectedly passed away

524
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 4: on September eighth, twenty eighteen. My husband did not come

525
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: to my father's funeral, which felt like a devastating admission

526
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: that our marriage was over. Ultimately, these failures all happened

527
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 4: at a very dark time in my life. My poor

528
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: judgment and bad business associations caused innocent people to lose

529
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: their money and be victimized by investing in poorly structured

530
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 4: businesses or products that I influenced or controlled. For that,

531
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: I am genuinely sorry, and I will work for the

532
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 4: rest of my life to make it right.

533
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: It's just amazing to me that, after pleading guilty for

534
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: scamming thousands of people out of millions of dollars using

535
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: her fraudulent telemarketing cons Jenshaw has the audacity to frame

536
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: her sophisticated scams as quote poorly structured businesses or products

537
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: that I influenced or controlled.

538
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: Ah.

539
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: If I was Judge Sidney Stein, I'd see that statement

540
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: as an utter lack of recognition of her crime, pointing

541
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: to a confounding absence of actual remorse.

542
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: Interestingly, it's not signed. It's typed up, but it's not signed.

543
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: Former prosecutor Emily D. Baker, again commenting on the fact

544
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: that the thirty other people who submitted letters to the

545
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: court on behalf of Jenshaw signed them, but Jen didn't

546
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: sign hers.

547
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: Whether the judge buys it or not is a whole

548
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 3: separate thing.

549
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: Speaking of separate things, prosecutors get really annoyed at how

550
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: hard Jenshaw and the thirty family members and friends she

551
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: got to write letters on her behalf to the judge

552
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: are trying to portray her as this pillar of the

553
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: community who's never been in trouble with the law until now.

554
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: Not so fast, they say, Jenshaw actually has run a

555
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: foul of the law quite recently, as a matter of fact.

556
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: And this all came out very quickly before sentencing because

557
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: Jen her sentencing memo is I've had a very hard life.

558
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: I'm an upset, standing, loving wife and mother. The bad

559
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: crowd in New York. These criminals over here, not me.

560
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: These criminals over there pulled me in and manipulated me,

561
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: and it was a dark time in my life. It

562
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: was basically like a gray hoodie YouTuber apology in this

563
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 3: sentencing memo of woe. And I think some of it's

564
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: true and some of its spin. And that's all sentencing memos.

565
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: It's advocacy for Jen to get sentenced less and the

566
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: government came out with this, actually, your honor, though she's

567
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: never been convicted of anything, we have had these other

568
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: instances with her, including this restraining order. And they said

569
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: that the woman had reached out directly to them and said,

570
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: this was my interaction with Jenshaw. She drove from Utah

571
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: to Nevada to come accost me at two o'clock in

572
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: the morning at my front door and scream at me

573
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 3: something about Jen having an affair with this woman's husband.

574
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: We don't know if that is true or not. But

575
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 3: the woman went and got a restraining order. Apparently Jen

576
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: has kind of spun this as this is all just

577
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: lies and people piling on, but it was a very

578
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: interesting story because the restraining order did exist. This woman

579
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: spoke to TMZ and said, yes, this is what happened.

580
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: She showed up banging down my door at two o'clock

581
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: in the morning, and she's not exactly what she's portraying

582
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: herself to be. Jen's attorneys told TMZ, quote, we have

583
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: proof that this woman is lying about this alleged affair.

584
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: An email from this woman to Misshaw's husband, dated four

585
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: days after the restraining order, in which she acknowledges that

586
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 3: there was no affair. This scorn woman lied to prosecutors

587
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 3: in an attempt to exact her own revenge against Genshaw.

588
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: So that's what Jen's attorneys said about the entire thing.

589
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 7: I mean.

590
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: They also said the entire case against Genshaw should be

591
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: dismissed because of her glurry contacts while she was being

592
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: read her miranda rights, or because of that Hulu documentary

593
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: tainting the jury pool. They also said Jenshaw is not

594
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: the criminal here. It's those evil men in New York

595
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: who roped her into scamming. But you heard some of

596
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: those text messages she sent after she found out she

597
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: was being investigated.

598
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 6: Right, I'm so fucking pissed off.

599
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 4: This slimy piece of shit of a customer recorded our

600
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 4: sales pitch and we sound like crooks.

601
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 6: Now they have our sales recording.

602
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Judge Stein sentences Jenshaw to six and a half

603
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: years in federal prison and orders her and her co

604
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: defendants to pay six point seven million dollars in restitution

605
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: to the victims. Victims like sixty four year old Penny Pucket.

606
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: She needed more, who.

607
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: As you heard in episode three, got scammed out of

608
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars through Jenshaw's telemarketing scheme.

609
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: We probably will never be able to be retired.

610
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 5: We'll have to work until we can't work anymore.

611
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: What's truly noteworthy about Genshaw, and really about any con artist,

612
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: is they do actually reveal who they are before they

613
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: scam you, if you're paying close enough attention.

614
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 8: I would call her a narcissist with sociopathic features.

615
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: Beverly Hill's forensic psychologist, doctor Alice Berkowitz, Who's never met

616
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: Genshaw but talks to the gen Shaws of the world

617
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: literally all day every day.

618
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 8: I've worked a lot in criminal court, and I've worked

619
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 8: a lot with white collar crime. She's just so full

620
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 8: of herself and believes that she's beyond reproach. The sociopathic features.

621
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 8: Sociopathic features are antisocial personalities. They're the people that are

622
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 8: going to be criminals. They're the people that are going

623
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 8: to be politicians. I'm sorry to say, but she doesn't

624
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 8: have any morals, sure them have a moral code, and

625
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 8: does not believe she could get caught. I think that

626
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 8: fact her getting onto the Housewives of Salt Lake City

627
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 8: was her feeling like she was above everything, which is

628
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 8: a narcissism. But the telemarketing scheme is so sociopathic. She

629
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 8: hadn't know that was not right. She didn't care. She

630
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 8: thought she was above it. And they're the worst people

631
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 8: to deal with.

632
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: In an interview Jenshaw gave to access Hollywood's Housewives Nightcap

633
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: before anyone knew she was a scammer. When asked to

634
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: explain what she did for a living, the best.

635
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 6: Way to describe it is, I'm the Wizard of Oz.

636
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 4: I'm like the one behind the curtain that nobody knows exists,

637
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 4: but I'm the one making everything happen.

638
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm the Wizard of Oz. And she thinks that

639
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: evokes a magical quality about her that people will be

640
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 1: enamored by or impressed by that she's magical. But if

641
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 1: you've seen The Wizard of Oz, you know that by

642
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: the end of the movie, he's a con artist. Everything

643
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: was a lie. Nothing he said or did was true.

644
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: Smoking mirrors literally, So was Jenshaw giving herself away unintentionally.

645
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: Do con artists do that in your experience?

646
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 8: Sometimes? Yeah, But you know, the Wizard of Oz also

647
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 8: never got in trouble for being a Connor.

648
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 6: He got away with it.

649
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: He did, didn't he?

650
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 8: So I think for her being the Wizard of Oz

651
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 8: means I can get away with anything. I'll just make magic.

652
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 8: But there are people that want to get caught. I

653
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 8: don't think she's one of them, though. I think she

654
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 8: really thought she'd get away with this.

655
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: And Jen Shaw didn't pull this massive telemarketing scam off

656
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: by herself. She was working with dozens of other co

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Speaker 1: conspirators over the years, which makes me wonder what did Coach,

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Speaker 1: her husband know much more than he let on. That's

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Speaker 1: what Jen's former designer, Cola Johnson believes.

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Speaker 13: I remember one time Stuart screwed up on some kind

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Speaker 13: of transaction or lost like about eight million, and Jenna

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Speaker 13: was very upset, and she came down to the office

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Speaker 13: late at night with Coach and they were both yelling

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Speaker 13: and screaming at him, asking him where their money is.

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Speaker 13: I'm just like, okay, I understand why your husband's coming

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Speaker 13: into the conversation of your business. I mean, unless your

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Speaker 13: husband's a part of this business.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like Coach knew what was going on.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely. He's a very smart man. He's a lawyer. He

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Speaker 12: was very involved in a lot of the.

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Speaker 13: Group text messages that converse about the business that I

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Speaker 13: was doing with her and the business that Stuart was doing,

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Speaker 13: So I mean he knew a lot and his wife

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Speaker 13: was doing his crime for almost ten years, like also

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Speaker 13: realizing the benefits of her crime. He benefited from it,

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Speaker 13: her children benefited from it.

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Speaker 12: So I've no he knew what she was doing for sure.

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Speaker 1: We don't know for a fact if Coach Shaw knew

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Speaker 1: about Jen's crimes. But even if he did, Homeland Security

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Speaker 1: Special Agent Ricky Pttel says, that doesn't necessarily make Coach

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Speaker 1: guilty of a crime.

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Speaker 14: You know, just speaking about something, speaking about a business

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Speaker 14: doesn't necessarily mean that you're actively engaged in it, you're

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Speaker 14: actively involved in it, or that you conducted any overacts

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Speaker 14: right that you actually were a participant or a leader.

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Speaker 1: On February seventeenth, twenty twenty three, Jen Shaw reported to

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Speaker 1: federal prison in Brian, Texas, about one hundred miles east

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Speaker 1: of Austin. It's July now, twenty twenty three, and none

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Speaker 1: of Jenshaw's victims have seen a single dime in restitution.

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Speaker 3: Restitution is very difficult. It's very difficult to get criminal

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Speaker 3: courts are set up for punishment. They are so up

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Speaker 3: for probation to prevent you from doing the crime things again.

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Speaker 3: And they're set up for custody time. That's it. They

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Speaker 3: are not well set up for the victim restitution.

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Speaker 1: And I just think it's unnecessarily complicated. If I was

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Speaker 1: in charge of the world, or at least the criminal

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Speaker 1: justice system, and you issue a court order for restitution

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Speaker 1: to a victim, that should automatically be attached to that

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Speaker 1: perpetrators social security number and name, so any money that

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Speaker 1: comes in comes to them from anywhere automatically gets diverted

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Speaker 1: to the victim.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a simple way to do this, but

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Speaker 3: the IRS has figured that out. The IRS has a

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Speaker 3: great way to attach people's property exactly. The government could

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Speaker 3: do it for themselves.

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Speaker 1: If a victim gets court ordered restitution, it should be

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Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it should be.

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Speaker 1: And in the prosecutor's minds, they got their convictions, they're happy,

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Speaker 1: they've moved on. So this money that theoretically, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: just theorizing, coach could be living on for the rest

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Speaker 1: of his life. These millions of dollars she might have

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Speaker 1: stashed in Kosovo or God.

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Speaker 3: Wherever could be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one cares. No one's keeping tabs. They

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Speaker 1: moved on to the next gammer.

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Speaker 3: Yep, they've moved on to the next case.

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Speaker 1: Next time on Queen of the Khan.

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Speaker 3: So Elizabeth Holmes has asked to go to the same

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Speaker 3: federal prison camp that Jenshaw's at. This doesn't surprise me.

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Speaker 3: Both of them have argued similar things. I was caught

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Speaker 3: up in this. I was trying to prove myself as

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Speaker 3: a woman in this field. The men around me were

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Speaker 3: manipulating me. I didn't know that this was fraudulent.

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Speaker 1: And a woman who literally sat across from Elizabeth Holmes

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Speaker 1: every day during her trial.

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Speaker 6: Some of it will never live my brain ASTs.

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Speaker 1: It has some really insightful takeaways.

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Speaker 3: She named her daughter Invicta, which means invincible or unconquered.

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Speaker 6: I mean it's as adult.

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Speaker 1: Portions of public statements from court records and from Jenshaw's

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Speaker 1: text messages were dramatized verbatim in this episode. Queen of

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