1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Good morning. I'm Brian Curtis and I'm Doug Prisner. Here 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: Congress has averted a partial government shut down, sent for 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 2: this weekend, and back to with that story and more 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: from San Francisco ed. 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 3: If you want to be a Senate here, Brian, the 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 3: threat of snow tomorrow motivated congress shut down averted in 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 3: any case, as you say, Bloomberg's Laura Davison says, the 9 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: can kick down the road, which presents a whole list 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: of problems. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 4: Congress has been able to keep the government open only 12 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 4: by kind of kicking the can down the road. The 13 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 4: one mild success, if your Mike Johnson, is that you 14 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 4: kept your job at least for now in this But 15 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 4: looking into March, there's a bunch of different things that 16 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 4: get a bit more complicated. As you said, they're about 17 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 4: halfway the fiscal year without actually, you know, doing anything 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 4: beyond just extending last year's budget, and by the time 19 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: you get to the end of April, that's when mandatory 20 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: cuts start kicking into effects. So Congress has a more 21 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 4: of a real deadline there that they need to act, 22 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 4: and you decide on something that they want to do, 23 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 4: and of course you know things that got left on 24 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 4: the side of the here a tax deal with business 25 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 4: tax credits, child tax credits, as well as border Ukraine 26 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 4: and other foreign eight. 27 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so a lot to be done, but done for now. Meanwhile, 28 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is in the Ukraine funding phray. He's posted 29 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: that any deal on Ukraine and border contain every Conservative 30 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: demand for border and immigration changes. The House planned on 31 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: working on this next week, but this may force GOP 32 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 3: leaders to reject any moves toward compromise. President Joe Biden, 33 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: en route to Joint Base Andrews this morning, is vowed 34 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: to continue attacks on Houthy targets until they dismantle the 35 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 3: operations that make the attacks on ships in the Red 36 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: Sea possible. 37 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Another stopping the huthis so are they going. 38 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 4: To continue yet? 39 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 3: Yes, and the Pentagon is clarifying what the operations is about. 40 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: Spokes when Sabrina Singh says the US is not at war. 41 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 5: What we took, the actions that Central Command took last 42 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 5: night was to destroy missiles that could be launched and 43 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 5: that we're preparing to launch either towards US Navy ships 44 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 5: that are in the region that are in that waterway. 45 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 5: Or other commercial vessels. 46 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: Badhuthi chief Abdul Malik al Huthi says it's not direct confrontation. 47 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: Says the militants are taking concrete steps to improve their 48 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: military capabilities. He says the US UK strikes will not 49 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: change his stance, and as Pakistan fires missiles into Iran 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 3: this morning, US is concerned about potential regional spread there. 51 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: NSC official John Kirby, these are two. 52 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 6: Well armed nations, and again we don't want to see 53 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 6: an escalation of any armed conflict in the region, certainly 54 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 6: between those two countries. 55 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 3: And the spokesman for Pakistan's Ministry of Foreign Affairs Moments Balak, 56 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: says these were very targeted. 57 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 7: Pakistan undertook a series of highly coordinated and specifically targeted, 58 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 7: precision military strikes against terrorist hideouts in Sistano Belushistan province 59 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 7: of Hiddan. 60 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: She says, a first strike to halt further violence. NATO 61 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: military leaders announcing that the Alliance will launch its biggest 62 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: military exercise in decades next week. NATO military leaders announcing 63 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: that the Alliance will launch it's the biggest exercise. NATO 64 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: Supreme Allied Commander US General Christopher Cavolle introduced in the exercise, 65 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: He's just marvelous at the scale. 66 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 8: Steadfast Defender twenty four will be the largest NATO exercise 67 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 8: in decades, with participation from approximately ninety thousand forces from 68 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 8: all thirty one allies plus our good partner Sweden. 69 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, adding Sweden. The mix global news twenty four hours 70 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: a day and whenever you want it with Bloomberg News 71 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: now in San Francisco. I'm at Baxter. This is Bloomberg 72 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: Brian all. 73 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: Right, time now for the top business stories of the hour. Well, 74 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: Spirit Airlines says it has no plans for a bankruptcy 75 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: driven restructuring. The airline is now taking a hard look 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: at his balance sheet. We heard from Bloomberg's George Ferguson. 77 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 9: Profitability hasn't been good. I'm sure management's lost its focus 78 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 9: as it's gone through this potential acquisition by Jet Blue, 79 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 9: and now the difficulty will be, yeah, get getting the 80 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 9: ship right and getting employees. Management focused on getting this 81 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 9: airline back to profitability. 82 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's George Ferguson. Spirit shares have been in a tailspin 83 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: since its merger with Jet Blue was blocked in court. 84 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: Shares have plunged more than sixty percent over the past 85 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: three days. Today they closed down seven percent. Jet Blue 86 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: fared a little bit better. It was up seven point 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: eight percent. 88 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: Well, US banking regulators are planning to require banks to 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: tap the Fed's discount window at least once a year. 90 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 8: Now. 91 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: The aim here is to reduce the stigma and ensure 92 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: that these banks are ready for troubled times. Bloomberg's Katanka 93 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: Johnson tells us how this might play out. 94 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 10: It's very clear if FED regulators, including the OCC, the 95 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 10: FED and the FCIIC really want to make the discover 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 10: into more attractive by requiring them not just to tap 97 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 10: the window once a year to make it easier somewhat 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 10: of a fire drill who told me, but also to 99 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 10: focus on what plans or preparation for accessing it could 100 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 10: be or could mean. Regulars really want to see a 101 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 10: number of changes to how banks think about the disco 102 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,799 Speaker 10: window but liquidity. 103 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: In general, that is Bloomberg's Catanka Johnson. Now, it was 104 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: last year the regional banking crisis somewhat revealed that a 105 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: number of banks were not even set up to quickly 106 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: borrow from the Fed's discount window in a pinch Brian Well. 107 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 2: Blackstone CEO Steve Schwartzman is expecting the FED to cut 108 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: interest rates, and they said those cuts are going to 109 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 2: have an impact on Wall Street. 110 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: The economy is slowing a bit. 111 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 9: That's normal with high interest rates. On the other side 112 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 9: of the latcher, the expectation that interest rates are going 113 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 9: down is creating animal spirits. 114 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: Again, as Blackstone CEO Steve Schwartzman. As anticipation builds around 115 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: the impending rate cuts, not everyone is ready to go 116 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: all in. Today. Atlanta FED President Raphael Bostik said the 117 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: worst outcome would be for policymakers to act and to 118 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 2: cut rates and then have to raise them again later. 119 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: That's if inflation were to move higher. Bostik says he 120 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: sees the Fed's first rate cut coming sometime in the 121 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: third quarter. 122 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Apple was smart watches without that blood oxygen feature are 123 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: being sold today at Apple's US retail outlets. Now this 124 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: comes following a legal setback in Apple's patent dispute with 125 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: the tech startup Massimo. That company makes the blood oxygen sensors. Now, 126 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: Apple itself cannot sell the watches with this feature. While 127 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: an appeal of a US band plays out. The CEO 128 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: of Massimo is Joe Keani. He told us the outcome 129 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: is best for consumers. 130 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 11: The consumers are better off without it. Apple knew their 131 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 11: product wasn't good enough to be relied on medically, but 132 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 11: literally they said, and this is in twenty twenty and 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 11: the chaos of COVID. This is quotation in their document. 134 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 11: If we launch pulsock symmetry with our we'll gain market 135 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 11: share from Fitbit. 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: That is Joe Keane. He is the chief executive officer 137 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: at Massimo. By the way, Apple believes the appeal process 138 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: on this particular case will take a year or more. 139 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: Brian Well, TSMC is expecting a return to solid growth 140 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: this quarter. It gave itself some room to raise capital 141 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: spending in twenty twenty four. It suggests that TSMC anticipates 142 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: a recovery in smartphone and computing demand. Bloomberg's Ian King 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: says industry shifts toward AI could be fueling the confidence. 144 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 12: Roll back two years ago, and the chip industry executive 145 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 12: was saying, this time it's different. We're on a path. 146 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 12: Oh you look at last year and that really wasn't 147 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 12: the case. Again, we were down. What is different though? 148 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 12: This time is how some of the end markets are behaving. 149 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: And that's i in king TSMC shares, the eight rs 150 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: in New York were up nine point eight percent, their 151 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: biggest intra day jump since May. And it's quite a 152 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: change from the way it's doc traded in in Taipei yesterday, 153 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 2: where it was only up a little more than one percent. 154 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Asia and right now I'm joined 155 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: by Paul Allen in Sydney, and our guest is joining 156 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: us here live on the program, Chester Dawson, Bloomberg's North 157 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: American Transportation editor, to take a closer look here at 158 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: Spirit Air. So it's one thing for the stock to 159 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: struggle as much as it has, you know, it might 160 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: make it more difficult to raise money. It's a slightly 161 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 2: soate topic to be talking about bankruptcy, but it's clear 162 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: that that the board now has an issue at hand. 163 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: And what are we learning about how close Spirit could 164 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: get to bankruptcy? 165 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 13: Well, that is the question de jour, and as you 166 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 13: noted earlier, the stock has been paying a heavy price 167 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 13: for it. The company, however, did say in a statement 168 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 13: that came out late today that it is not pursuing 169 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 13: or involved in a statuary with structuring, which is a 170 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 13: kind of a jargonistic and legalists way of saying that 171 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 13: they're not planning for bankruptcy. It has been a matter 172 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 13: of a lot of speculation. A number of analysts on 173 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 13: Wall Street have openly said that that is a very 174 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 13: real possibility. But the company says it's taking measures to 175 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 13: shore up its balance sheet and is hoping to you know, 176 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 13: right the ship. 177 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 6: All right, taking measures? What does that mean? 178 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 9: Are we talking about job cuts, slashing roots? 179 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: What's the plan? 180 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 13: Well, that is also a very good question. They have 181 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 13: not said much more beyond what they had kind of 182 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 13: previously outlined in terms of efforts to for example, ground 183 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 13: parts of its fleet, delay the ontake of some airplanes, 184 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 13: and other measures, you know, perhaps involving it's stet load. 185 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 13: So it's a little vague exactly what that means, but 186 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 13: you're you're right, Typically when you hear that language, you 187 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 13: do think about drastic cost cuts, including job reductions. If 188 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 13: they're thinking that, they're not saying so publicly. 189 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: Yes, so they're not even talking about bankruptcy protection, much 190 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 2: less liquidation, but certainly people in the market have been 191 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: at least thinking about that. The possibility of liquidation. And 192 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: it's ironic because you know what that would do for 193 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 2: you know, for prices. One only knows, but it probably 194 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: wouldn't be what the judge was expecting. I'm just musing 195 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: aloud a little bit here. I mean, is there any 196 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: chance that to raise funds, that Spirit could raise prices? 197 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: You know it's a low cost carrier, but could he 198 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: raise prices? 199 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 13: Well, you put your finger on it. The whole point 200 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 13: of Spirit is to be an ultra low cost carrier, 201 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 13: so in theory it might be able to try. But 202 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 13: you know, the whole reason you go to Spirit is 203 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 13: to get a super cheap fare and kind of a 204 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 13: no frills flight experience. Now you know the But he 205 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 13: hasn't said whether it plans to appeal the court ruling 206 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 13: that broke up plans for the takeover by Jet Blue. However, 207 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 13: it's very unclear, you know, if it can survive as 208 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 13: an independent entity, not just because of it kind of 209 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 13: planned to be taken over by Jet Blue, but because 210 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 13: the environment has deteriorated so much since that deal was announced. 211 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 13: You know, it's been very bad for all low cost carriers, 212 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 13: including Jet Blue, which isn't quite an ultra low cost 213 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 13: carrier like Spirit, but is still you know, kind of 214 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 13: a more of a discount carrier than say, Delta is. 215 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 13: But but those companies, you know, being very domestic and 216 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 13: very fair focused, have not been doing well. The environment 217 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 13: has deteriorated a lot. So if it's left to stand 218 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 13: on its own two legs, so to speak, Spirit faces 219 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 13: a very difficult future. So it's kind of unclear, you know, 220 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 13: what comes next. Everybody's kind of waiting for the next 221 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 13: shooter drop. Clearly the company has got to do more, 222 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 13: you know, but investors aren't waiting, as you noted, they're bailing. 223 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, they sure. 224 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 9: Uh the ship Rice down sixty two percent and three days. 225 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 9: Is there any feeling that we're at the bottom yet 226 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 9: or is there the potential for further losses here? 227 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 13: Well, it's a little hard to say, but it is 228 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 13: interesting that when the company finally came out with its 229 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 13: statement after the close of trading in New York, the 230 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 13: shares you know, basically traded unchanged in the post market. Obviously, 231 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 13: they were down during the day, kind of in a 232 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 13: free fall. But I guess there's some hope that maybe 233 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 13: this you know, this kind of very late in the 234 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 13: day statement by the company that it's not preparing for 235 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 13: bankruptcy at least not immediately, will be some solace to investors, 236 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 13: But we really won't know, I guess until the market 237 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 13: opens in New York tomorrow. But it does feel like 238 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 13: the company is in kind of a desperate struggle to survive. 239 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: You wonder what's a message that would send to the 240 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: Justice Department and to the FTC and just generally too. 241 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 2: And I trust, you know, the antitrust regulators that they're 242 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: concerned about people. They don't care about the shareholders. I mean, 243 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 2: that's for other people to worry about. But if the 244 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: result of this is that the airline goes busted, I 245 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: wonder what sort of message it would send to to 246 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 2: the anti trust people. 247 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 13: Well, it would be an incredible irony, wouldn't it if 248 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 13: you know, by by saving or trying to save spirit 249 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 13: uh spirits independence, that actually was a death sentence. You know, 250 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 13: I think you're right. I think basically, you know, the 251 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 13: legal eagles and the court you know, uh clearly was 252 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 13: thinking about you know, the spirit of your not maybe 253 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 13: so much about what would happen if if the deal 254 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 13: was unraveled. And of course, you know, we want to 255 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 13: be careful. The company has not declared bankruptcy and it's 256 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 13: still flying. And you know, even if it were to 257 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 13: do something like that, and I'm just speculating now, chances 258 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 13: are they would continue operations. But you know, obviously, whenever 259 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 13: the B word has floated, it scares investors quite a bit, 260 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 13: and you know, the bad news keeps coming. We just 261 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 13: got word late of some action by the rating agencies 262 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 13: which are also sitting up and taking notice, and that 263 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 13: doesn't bode too well for Spirit either. Just quickly, just 264 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 13: what's the legacy of Spirits management going to be? Well, 265 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 13: that's a good question too, because when you know they 266 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 13: were initially approached by jet Blue, they were buff the offer. 267 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 13: In fact, they were in favor of a rival takeover 268 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 13: bid from Frontier, which is another ultra low cost carrier, 269 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 13: and effectively there was something of a shareholder revolt and 270 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 13: the board had to backtrack and did accept a sweetened 271 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 13: bid from Jet Blue. But now you've got to look 272 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 13: back and wonder about culpability because there is some question 273 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 13: whether the board made the right call there on the 274 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 13: way the events have played out. 275 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: And all right, Leicester Wels Yeah, yeah, absolutely, a very 276 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: good point. 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