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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's

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Speaker 1: the Thing from iHeart Radio. My guest today is a politician, businessman,

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Speaker 1: and the fortieth governor of California. Prior to his governorship,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom served as the Lieutenant governor of California and

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Speaker 1: as the forty second mayor of San Francisco. A native

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Speaker 1: San Franciscan, Newsom began his political career as a volunteer

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Speaker 1: for Willie Brown's mayoral campaign in nineteen ninety five. California

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Speaker 1: may be the sixth largest economy in the world, but

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Speaker 1: it faces some of our country's biggest problems. Most recently,

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Speaker 1: Governor Newsom has been contending with the wildfires the devastated

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Speaker 1: areas of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: This passed to January.

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Speaker 1: Wildfires are cyclical and a natural part of the topography

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Speaker 1: of the area. However, this year's fires were particularly destructive.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was just reading a Joan Didion piece.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about one hundred mile an hour winds, and

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Speaker 3: our birds were literally combusting in the sky, and horses

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Speaker 3: are on fire and being shot, and embers went miles

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Speaker 3: across the pch and one hundred and ninety seven homes

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Speaker 3: were burned. So the answer is, yes, this has happened,

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Speaker 3: and it will continue to happen. And so we'reas dumb

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Speaker 3: as we want to be if we rebuild without a

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Speaker 3: different mindset around science, climate resiliency, and redundancy as relates

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Speaker 3: to emergency management.

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Speaker 1: Is it safe to say, because obviously these areas where

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Speaker 1: this happened, and this is I'm assuming, in one sense

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Speaker 1: a complicating factor and in another sense not really, which

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Speaker 1: is you just can't go back and build the paliseds

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Speaker 1: the way it was.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the tension. People want to move back,

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Speaker 3: They want to move back quickly. Now they want to

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Speaker 3: move back quickly but safely. So it comes to the

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Speaker 3: issues of debris removal, soil sampling testing, and now they

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Speaker 3: want to come back safely. But also recognizing that we

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Speaker 3: want to have a different kind of level of confidence

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Speaker 3: that the building materials that we're going to use when

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Speaker 3: we build are not going to be compustible, that we

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Speaker 3: got redundancy systems as it relates to water, as it

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Speaker 3: relates to hydrants, that we have more evacuation routes, better

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Speaker 3: emergency warnings and the like. And so it's that constant

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Speaker 3: tension that we're going to have to figure out in

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Speaker 3: real time and in real time, including quite literally today

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Speaker 3: down here in La We got through record breaking first

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Speaker 3: phase to be removal of hazardous waste within three weeks,

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Speaker 3: and we're trying to move heaven and earth literally and

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Speaker 3: figuratively to get all the rest of the debris done

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Speaker 3: in nine months to a year. At the same time

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Speaker 3: concurrently providing building permits which people are getting today, and

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Speaker 3: you're going to see homes starting to be rebuilt over

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Speaker 3: the course of the next few months. So this is

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Speaker 3: all happening as sort of a rolling process that we

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Speaker 3: hope will give people some confidence and their ability to

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Speaker 3: come back home, but to come back home in.

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Speaker 2: A much better place.

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Speaker 1: We have a writer coming on to do the show

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks who wrote a piece that

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Speaker 1: I was completely fascinated by, quote when plastic cities burn.

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Speaker 1: Her name was Zobe Schlanger, and I always remember during

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven that when thirteen million square feet of

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Speaker 1: on that site, and then it rained the next day

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Speaker 1: and a lot of that got washed into the harbor. Yep,

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Speaker 1: and so the problem appear. I'm wondering is is that

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Speaker 1: a big urgent thing is to get that Malibu crap

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Speaker 2: There as soon as possible going to the ocean.

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Speaker 3: No, And it's interesting we work concurrently. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is typical California. We had a three year drought that

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Speaker 3: So drought and floods concurrently, and so that was our

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Speaker 3: mindset after this fire. Once we put out the fires,

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Speaker 3: we started to get these atmospheric rivers and hadn't seen

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Speaker 3: any rain in nine months up to this fire. Remember

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Speaker 3: this fire occurred in January. It was as dry as

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Speaker 2: We did a decent job, in that you can always

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Speaker 3: We didn't have a lot of time, but we're deeply

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Speaker 3: then no one saw that coming. I made that point

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Speaker 3: to Trump when I was in the Oval office. I said,

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Speaker 3: you know, Elon may have some insight on this. So

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Speaker 3: it's you know, it's this is all challenged, but it's

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Speaker 2: And I want to make that point. This is the

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Speaker 2: tragedy of all this.

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Speaker 3: You know, the folks that are working on this debris

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Speaker 3: removal just finished up, are still marginally working in Maui.

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Speaker 3: In terms of the wildfire's there. The folks that I'm

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Speaker 3: Park in northern California. We lost fifty six hundred homes

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Speaker 3: to wildfire in Paradise, California, the most deadly wildfire California history.

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Speaker 3: Eighty five people lost their lives there. The same folks

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Speaker 3: a rather perverse way, there's a hell of a lot

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Speaker 3: term commitment to being here, getting the job done, and

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned Paradise. We had on the show Lucy Walker,

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Speaker 1: who made the film Bring your Own Brigade. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: which is this wonderful doc about Wolsey.

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Speaker 3: And she just sent it to me and I've got

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Speaker 3: to open it up. I love, she says, I'm telling you,

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Speaker 3: the answers to all your questions are right here.

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Speaker 1: She's there in Paradise. And there's a scene in the

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Speaker 1: movie when they have the consultant come in about what

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Speaker 1: to do to remediate and the guy gives them five

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Speaker 1: basic things the distance of the plant life and the

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Speaker 1: They bring him in, they hire him, he makes his recommendations,

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Speaker 1: and they reject all of them. Yeah, they want to

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Speaker 1: And that's must be one of the toughest things for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And this is it.

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Speaker 3: I mean people, you know, I remember in Paradise people said, well,

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Speaker 3: And so that's the tension because now obviously different level

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Speaker 3: the new construction that's not since we've got so much nimbism.

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Speaker 3: and that sprawl gets further and further into this forested areas,

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Speaker 3: creating more challenging conditions in the best of times. But

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Speaker 3: when you combine that now with the hot's getting a

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Speaker 3: obviously that's combustible in every way, shape or form, and so.

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Speaker 2: That's the tension.

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Speaker 3: Insurance in many ways is taking care of that, even

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Speaker 3: it's a head of policy, because people are just not

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Speaker 3: ensuring insurance companies. Capitalism is raining. They're pulling out of

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Speaker 3: the market. Now you can't get your mortgage, Now you

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Speaker 3: necessarily unique to California. We just like everything in California,

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Speaker 3: the future happens here first, the good and the bad.

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Speaker 3: The sphere, not just to the challenges as it relates

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Speaker 3: And I'm proud of that leadership. But look, this is

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Speaker 3: the tension working with the insurance companies who are allowing

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Speaker 3: Of course, it's been radically impacted by these recent fires.

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Speaker 3: We are working with land use experts and we actually

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Speaker 3: be much more restrictive in terms of those that want

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Speaker 3: We simply cannot afford that structure of structure impacts. You're

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Speaker 3: impacting the entire community, not just putting your own home

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Speaker 1: There's an opportunity here to see the future. That as

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Speaker 1: an opportunity for the people, not just you, because you're

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Speaker 1: obviously way ahead of the kirk because of your job.

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Speaker 1: But there's an opportunity here for people to face the

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Speaker 1: future and design a place. It's gone. It's not some

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Speaker 1: It's all gone. It's a blank slate. What do you

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Speaker 1: do when the blank slate with what the current information

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: And one thing is with you know, you start with

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Speaker 3: a framework of humility and grace. That is, it's not

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Speaker 3: It's got to be a community led effort, particularly not

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Speaker 3: you know it's a diverse community, but certainly the demographics

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Speaker 3: which is profoundly diverse community. And the issues that you

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Speaker 3: with unsolicit offers to buy out people's property for pennies

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Speaker 2: They were targeting.

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Speaker 3: Different portions of the around community like Maui, and so

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Speaker 3: we were aggressive on some early executive orders, and our

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Speaker 3: Attorney General's been aggressive calling that out addressing some of

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Speaker 3: those issues. But what I just launched was a new platform. Look,

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Speaker 3: we want a community engage process, but we don't want

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Speaker 3: the community to be intimidated by the mob, meaning by

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Speaker 3: organized interests that have a disproportionate impact on the outcome

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Speaker 3: of a community design effort. So we created a new

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Speaker 3: platform called Engaged California. It's actual platform that allows people

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Speaker 3: to be heard, has a two way framework of conversation

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Speaker 3: between the state, city partners, federal partners, and the community

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Speaker 3: where they can design that future and feel heard and

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Speaker 3: represented in the process. A deliberative process to try to

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Speaker 3: find consensus to answer your question. Bringing in the best minds,

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Speaker 3: the best scientists from around the world.

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Speaker 2: We already I can't tell you great opportunity for those minds.

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Speaker 3: You know, we had Bill and Hillary Clinton reached out.

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Speaker 3: They said at the Clinton Foundation, We've got some of

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Speaker 3: these world class architects from Japan and they're sending cell

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Speaker 3: So people just assumed there was a trust fund, wealth privilege.

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Speaker 3: California politics, he says, I found the perfect affirmative action candidate.

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Speaker 3: He referred to me as his affirmative of the only

438
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Speaker 3: straight white male that he said would take the jobs

439
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Speaker 3: he needs one.

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Speaker 2: He needs one.

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Speaker 3: So I was the I was, at least, based on

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Speaker 3: his assessment, an affirmative at which you know was some

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Speaker 3: beared some truth to that. And so he pointed me

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Speaker 3: to the board supervisor. That's how my political life started.

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Speaker 2: Now, did you work close, fairly closely with him and

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Speaker 2: over those usually were?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I drove him crazy because I was still

449
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Speaker 3: that entrepreneur. I was still the small business and I

450
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Speaker 3: know I didn't understand politics. I understand what being appointed

451
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Speaker 3: meant means something a little different than being elected.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't your wards what?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: I challenged him a lot, I said, you know, you know,

455
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Speaker 3: and I was the business guy. So I would come.

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Speaker 3: You know, I was the little snotty kid. You know, well,

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Speaker 3: I take a business like approach to looking at these things.

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Speaker 3: I need to see the business. And there's exactly whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I was the champion. I was the conservative in

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Speaker 3: San Francisco politics. And and he turns out and and

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Speaker 3: I guess you know, I was like six people ten

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Speaker 3: people in the race, and I was thirty four years old,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I didn't think i'd have a chance

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Speaker 3: in hell and gotten a runoff and boom, I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: going to learn from him.

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Speaker 2: He's a master. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Everybody ascribes a real heavy political, you know skill to him.

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Speaker 3: I remember someone describing, I don't know if it was

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Speaker 3: described accurately, but of the grateful dead of Jerry Garcia.

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Speaker 3: Someone describing Jerry saying, you don't want to be the

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Speaker 3: best of the best. You want to be the only

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Speaker 3: one that does what you do. You don't want to

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Speaker 3: be the best the best. The only one that doesn't

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Speaker 3: do that's Willie Brown. He redefined as far they had

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Speaker 3: to remember termline it's in California, literally were established because

477
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Speaker 3: they couldn't get rid of them. And he kept becoming

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Speaker 3: speaker even when it was the FDR offer, but they

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Speaker 3: had Republicans in the majority, and they made a Democratic

480
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Speaker 3: speaker because he was a deal maker. It's a different era.

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Speaker 3: Worked with Reagan, he had great bipartisan bona FIDE's, but

482
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Speaker 3: he stood on principle, still stands on principle today. He's

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Speaker 3: alive and he's a fierce critic still to these days,

484
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Speaker 3: and the fiercest and most loyal person. And the reason

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Speaker 3: I'm here, the reason we're having this conversation is Willie

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Speaker 3: Brownt here.

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Speaker 1: When you're on the Board of Supervisors and then you

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Speaker 1: become the mayor of San Francisco. Everyone that I know,

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Speaker 1: because I love San Francisco and I've always enjoyed going there.

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Speaker 1: I haven't spent volumes of time there, but I always

491
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Speaker 1: went there with friends and had the best time and

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Speaker 1: love it there. But it seems to have you know,

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Speaker 1: the same metronomic kind of problems there about your housing

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Speaker 1: now because of the tech boom and homelessness and drugs

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: What shape is it in now? What you say is

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Speaker 2: it is still struggling. No, it's coming back, perhaps, I

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Speaker 2: mean by any of people.

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Speaker 3: I just you know, I think it went through a

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Speaker 3: very difficult period around COVID, and there was sort of

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Speaker 3: a you know, people step back. The tents started to

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Speaker 3: a mass on the streets. We see that across country,

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Speaker 3: notably in California, more encampments, more tents, and it was

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Speaker 3: by the way it was directed by the FED saying,

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Speaker 3: you want to cohort people. We don't want to clean

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Speaker 3: up the tents and the encampments. During COVID there was

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Speaker 3: concerns around that, and so after that there was a

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Speaker 3: mindset of almost additional permissiveness, and that became very dominant,

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Speaker 3: particularly in San Francisco, where it no longer was concentrated

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Speaker 3: in this forty to fifty square block area, in this

511
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Speaker 3: sort of tenderloin where it's been for thirty forty years,

512
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Speaker 3: started to become more prevalent, even into some of the neighborhoods.

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Speaker 3: But that's now coming back. The crime rates are down

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Speaker 3: near fifty year lows. You're seeing people starting to move

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Speaker 3: back in the neighborhoods are vibrant as much more than ever.

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Speaker 3: Downtown is still struggling, but look, it's a city that

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Speaker 3: shaped me, my.

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Speaker 2: Great great great grandfather.

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Speaker 3: There was a cop and you know, and my dad

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Speaker 3: used to say, says he didn't know what came first,

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Speaker 3: the Irish cop or San Francisco, And so I think

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Speaker 3: it took one hundred and fifty years for the cop

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Speaker 3: to become a politician.

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Speaker 2: And here I am.

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Speaker 3: But it's one of the most magical, curious and mystical places.

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Speaker 3: And one thing it continues to be is a state

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Speaker 3: of just constant renewal.

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Speaker 1: But in that svide between northern and southern California which

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Speaker 1: I observed for the many years I was here, a

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Speaker 1: more liberal and progressive quadrant here and a more conservative

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Speaker 1: quadrant here, in spite of la being part of that.

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Speaker 1: When I was in California in the early days, I

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Speaker 1: was here. I came here in eighty three, so it

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Speaker 1: was the end of the first term of Reagan. He's

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Speaker 1: heading into his re election. I think Duke Magen was

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Speaker 1: the governor. The Olympics are coming, so they just scooped

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Speaker 1: everybody up and put them in busses and took them

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Speaker 1: to Barstow.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: They were like, clean it up for the Olympics, we

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Speaker 1: don't want the world to see it. And they took

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Speaker 1: all the wh I lived in Venice then, and they

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Speaker 1: just scooped them all up and put them on the

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Speaker 1: bus and shipped him out of town.

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Speaker 2: Let's be cana.

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Speaker 3: That still happens all across this country and as an

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Speaker 3: ongoing issue, and that's the tension. Look, I mean out

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Speaker 3: of side, not out of mind for advocates, and it's understandable.

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Speaker 3: But right now I think people are on edge all

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Speaker 3: across this country. People are edge in this state. They've

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Speaker 3: had it. They don't want to see the encampents anymore.

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Speaker 3: They're done, They're done with the tents. I'm done with

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Speaker 3: the tents. I'm done with the encampments. So we've been

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Speaker 3: very aggressive. We've been very more forceful as a state.

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Speaker 3: You know, when I was mayor, back to the days

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Speaker 3: of the mayor, the state of California was nowhere to

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Speaker 3: be found in homeless policy. There was no homeless plan.

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Speaker 3: It was the counties and the city's responsibility. Schwarzenegger was

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Speaker 3: governor at the time. I never thought of calling. And

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Speaker 3: by the way, we have the highest number of people

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Speaker 3: on the streets and sidewalks back then, it's not a

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Speaker 3: new phenomena.

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Speaker 2: This twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: It was one hundred and eighty eight thousand people out

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Speaker 3: on the streets and sidewalks in our point of time

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Speaker 3: count and it was the dominant issue for me as mayor,

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Speaker 3: and it was my responsibility, my accountability, had no finger pointing,

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Speaker 3: and we made real progress for six or seven years,

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Speaker 3: legit real progress, and we started to see that unwind

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Speaker 3: in the last decade or so.

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Speaker 2: Back to again, I think COVID accelerating a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: Fentanyl issues are street behavior, issues around drug use, mental health,

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Speaker 3: and again a permissive structure that we have to address

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Speaker 3: and we are addressing in this state. It just it's

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Speaker 3: you know, it can't turn it around immediately, but directionally

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Speaker 3: we're much more aggressive taking responsibility. It's not a laisse

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Speaker 3: fair attitude. We're again not victims of this. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm a little more heart at it, a little more pragmatic.

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Speaker 3: Advocates don't always see eyed eye with me, but it's

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Speaker 3: time that we are held to higher level accountablity, particularly democrats.

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Speaker 3: We've got to prove we can govern, proven, get out

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Speaker 3: of our own damn way and permits, get housing done,

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Speaker 3: get things moving again like we I mean, the world

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Speaker 3: we invent. It's working against us. Process and SEQUA and

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Speaker 3: all the bullshit excuse my language, and the lawsuits and

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Speaker 3: the litigation, and I think it's one of the reasons

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Speaker 3: Trump's back in the White House. So it's a big

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Speaker 3: wake up call and all of us own that, I think,

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Speaker 3: And I'll.

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Speaker 2: Forget the long winningness.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: One of the gifts of the Olympics coming in in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight is it forces a regionalization, forces a

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Speaker 3: national and state focus on getting big things is done.

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Speaker 3: And with these fires now a sense of urgency to

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Speaker 3: do both. And and so I got to tell you

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Speaker 3: I would never I mean, I'm the biggest prob There's

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with me is governor. I'm the future

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Speaker 3: ex governor of California. I am so long la as

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Speaker 3: a region, So long California as the state's a fifth

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Speaker 3: large's economy in the world. We dominate in more scientists, engineers,

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Speaker 3: more rechers of normal laureates, the finances of higher education

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Speaker 3: in the world, more patents, more venture capital. Thirty two

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Speaker 3: of the fifty top AI companies in the world all

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Speaker 3: in California. Most diverse state, a dynamism twenty seven percent

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Speaker 3: of state four and born a gateway status geographic beauty

607
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Speaker 3: unlike any other state, and now, if we can have

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Speaker 3: a mind that's more aggressive in terms of just addressing

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Speaker 3: the mistakes in our permissiveness of the past through democratic governance,

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Speaker 3: I think this state is going to come out, particularly

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Speaker 3: with all the challenges in Washington, to see in a

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Speaker 3: really dominant position.

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Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom. If you're enjoying this conversation, tell a

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Speaker 1: friend and be sure to follow Here's the thing on

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Speaker 1: When we come back, Gavin Newsom details his plan to

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Speaker 1: increase tax breaks for film production in California in the

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Speaker 1: hopes of reviving one of the state's most famous industries.

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Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin, and this is Here's the thing. Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom has served as the fortieth governor of California since

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. His tenure has included tumultuous events such as

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic and two separate wildfire disasters. Despite

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Speaker 1: the various difficulties of the past six years, I wondered

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Speaker 1: what Newsom would consider some of the joys of holding

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Speaker 1: the office.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's been a disaster prone six years. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, I talked about Paradise. I was lieutenant governor,

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Speaker 3: but I was also governor elect when I was standing

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Speaker 3: there in the ashes of Paradise with Donald Trump and

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Speaker 3: took over, and we had the largest utility in the

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Speaker 3: United States of America PGN that filed bankruptcy within the

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Speaker 3: first few weeks I was in office. We were trying

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Speaker 3: to face the realities of unprecedented drought that I was

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Speaker 3: referring to a moment ago, all of these wildfires, historic wildfires,

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Speaker 3: and of course we walked right into COVID and California

636
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: was in the you know, leaning and cutting edge of

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Speaker 3: good policy. Those that judged very bad policy depends on

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00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 3: your perspective policy tough policy, and you know, but for

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Speaker 3: a state that's larger than twenty one state populations combined,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, it's not a small, isolated state.

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Speaker 2: Different game here, different game.

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Speaker 3: And I also realized in that case, you know, it

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Speaker 3: was also a different game in mindset. The public looked

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Speaker 3: to me not as Governor California, but I really felt

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00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 3: like they looked at me as Mayor of California. And

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Speaker 3: you had to be accountable for now everything in nuanced

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Speaker 3: and detail, accountable for what was happening in every city,

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00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 3: accountable for every crime that was occurring. Everything not the

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00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: traditional role of a governor or dramatically different role. And

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Speaker 3: I think that mindset continues to this day. And I

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Speaker 3: think in many ways the office of governors changed since

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Speaker 3: COVID in terms of that expectation, and that's more challenging

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Speaker 3: perhaps here because of the diversity of the state, because

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Speaker 3: of the scale and scope of this state. It's not

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Speaker 3: an excuse, it's just it's been part of an interesting

656
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Speaker 3: journey of recognition of understanding for me in terms of

657
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: trying to understand what people expect of their governor that

658
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: I never expected of my governor before I got here.

659
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: Every day I wake up just to be able to

660
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: not scream and yell at the TV set and we

661
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: actually do something about it. To be on the forefront,

662
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: unprecedented forefront of climate change and addressing that issue head on,

663
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: and leading this nation in term policy, climate pangs policy

664
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Speaker 3: and low carbon green growth, changing the way we produce

665
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: a consumer energy. The work we've done on mental health

666
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 3: at scale no one else's done. I mean, someone said,

667
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: you know, you really need baby bonds. We put two

668
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: billion dollars up every child three point four million kids

669
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,479
Speaker 3: gets a college savings account or a career account up

670
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 3: to fifteen hundred dollars that enters into kindergarten. We create

671
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: a brand new grade pre K for all. Swartzenegar City

672
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 3: wanted after school for all. Put one hundred and fifty

673
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: million dollars in. We put five billion dollars and made

674
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: it happen after school and summer school for all community schools,

675
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 3: reimagining the school day, extending them to nine hours a day.

676
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: The ability to do what we've done on policy making,

677
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 3: on homelessness again, I know that's not been felt, but

678
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: this new care court, new paradigm to address the issue

679
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: of mental and behavioral health, the issues we've done in

680
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 3: terms of reforming our medical system through this thing called CALAIM,

681
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: which is nation leading effort I can go through. Honestly, Listen,

682
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: universal health care only stay in America, regardless of preexisting conditions,

683
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 3: ability to pay, or immigration status controversial. California has done it.

684
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: We're not talking about it. And so in each category,

685
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 3: the ability to effectuate policy at scale has been a

686
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: gift and a dream. But at the same time, it's

687
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: disaster time over and over, and it eclipses a lot,

688
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: and it makes for a lot of situational politics when

689
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: I have a sort of policy sustainable mindset around politics.

690
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: And of course you had Trump into the mixture. Trump

691
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 3: one point zero his last two years, had Trump two

692
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: point zero in his first two years of his second term.

693
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: That also requires some adjustments and some tacking and.

694
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: Just reality now different reality for me.

695
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: Another memory I have of living here and my knowledge

696
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: of my awareness of California politics was I thought Gray

697
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: Davis was a nice guy. I thought he was a

698
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: good guy. He was a decent governor. Still when I

699
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: met him, I love Grey Davis. So when that all happened,

700
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: darryl Issa decides he's going to do the recall of

701
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: Gray Davis. The whole enron thing was involved the brown outs,

702
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: and Issa thinks he's going to be anointed. He helps

703
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: to put the whole thing together. He produces the recall,

704
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: he wins, Davis is gone, and then they turn him

705
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: in the tap of the shoulder and they go, it's

706
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: not your night, kid, And they bring Arnold in to

707
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: become the governor. No political record, no nothing. He becomes

708
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: the governor. And I've had a lot of acoustic comments

709
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: about that as well. But you had a recall effort

710
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: launched against you.

711
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: What was that? I mean was that intense? Yeah?

712
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: Well yeah, because I mean talk about you know, a

713
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: little humiliating God. And I got four young kids. I

714
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: mean they're going to school there. You know, my oldest

715
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 3: daughter ended up being homeschool because it just didn't work.

716
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: The bullying and everything else was going on. And that's hard.

717
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: It's you know, hard to explain. You know, we couldn't

718
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: get it. I mean, there was I'm not exaggerated, I

719
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: say over a year where you couldn't get out the

720
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: front door of your house because of protests. You know,

721
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: Hitler must the whole thing during that time, and and

722
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: and and so it just extended, and you know, and

723
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Speaker 3: I think the hardest part I was, you know, it's

724
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: strange to say this, but you know, I was working,

725
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: you know, I'd written a book called Citizens It's don't

726
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: even matter, but I had, you know, knew Kingridge was

727
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: talking about, and we were taught, we became you know,

728
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: I became friendly with Nude on some ideas and was

729
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: able to work with folks on the other side. And

730
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: then there's Nude on TV promoting my recall, and there's

731
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: you know, Mike Huckleby out there promoting the recall and

732
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: then I think getting a few bucks for it as well,

733
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: and my friends and the legislature of Republicans I was

734
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: working with co chairing the recall, and I'm like, well, okay,

735
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 3: and I thought politics was all local a little old

736
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: fashioned there, right, All politics is local, bs, All politics

737
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: is national now.

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Speaker 2: And they came hard. The RNC put in the first month.

739
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: I had to raise eighty four million dollars to defend it,

740
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: and there were polls just a few months before that

741
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: showed it neck to neck. We were able to pull

742
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 3: away with a twenty plus point margin. And it was

743
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: a big mistake for the Republicans because then my reelect,

744
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: you know, it was a year later. Yeah, and we

745
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 3: kind of just coated it through. But I'll tell you

746
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 3: it sharpened my muscles, got me focused with a different

747
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: there's sense of finality with a recall, in that humility

748
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 3: is a finality. And then my focus, my energy and

749
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: also you know, the points of contrast. That's why I

750
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: started going out on the road, started this pack That's

751
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: Campaign for Democracy because I had a few dollars left

752
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: over from my campaign, put twenty million into this pack,

753
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 3: raised more money and started going. I went on Fox

754
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 3: with Sean Hannity, did those debates with DeSantis, started doing

755
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 3: billboards in states across this country, taking on some of

756
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 3: the Republican leadership, calling them out for their hypocrisy, doing

757
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: the same thing with full page newspaper ads, did TV

758
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: commercials across the country, and then it led me to

759
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: sort of getting more involved with the Biden campaign. Was

760
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: one of his chief surrogates, was out there doing the

761
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: spin room and the debates for better for worse, and

762
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: extended a little bit to common meaning I found myself

763
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: now recognizing the politics in DC and what's happening across

764
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 3: this country was impacting the state in ways I honestly

765
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: I didn't fully understand at the level that I should have.

766
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: And so I'm a different guy from that. And of course,

767
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: you know, God is my witness. We're sitting here.

768
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: Yesterday they submitted another one. So do we call you? Yeah?

769
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: So here we go. So you know, I'm that may

770
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, it could happen this time. I don't know.

771
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: We'll see. So it's just God, no, hell of hell.

772
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: I like that acting thing. You talked about Yeah, that's

773
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: his review. Enough Jesus. But you can pivot.

774
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: You could pivot speaking of acting my sense, and you

775
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: can fine tune this. And of course you know infinitely

776
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: more than I do about this, which is that tax

777
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: breaks in a state like this are very fragile because

778
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: people are like tax backs for Hollywood. Hell no, we

779
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: have so many other things we got to pay for.

780
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: We're giving so many things away. There are social programs

781
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: in this state unlike any other state that costs millions

782
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: and billions of dollars. And so when you come and

783
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: say we want more tax backs for Hollywood, a lot

784
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: of the population of the state north that southes like

785
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: screw you.

786
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:32,919
Speaker 2: Now.

787
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: The problem is many of the jobs have left. And

788
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: my friends who used to go out to Atlanta and

789
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: rent a house, they don't rent to house.

790
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: They bought a house there. They left here. They've left

791
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: this state.

792
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: The business is imploding in Los Angeles, correct, And the

793
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: question becomes, is there any chance of increased tax baks

794
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: for the movie business.

795
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 3: We're going to double it, you are, Yeah, it's going

796
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: to be higher than New York. I proposed that a

797
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: few months ago, and that was right before the fires.

798
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 3: What are the fires only reinforced the imperative and also

799
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: working with all our friends, some of you know, the

800
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: who's who of Hollywood, saying it's time to double down.

801
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: I'm bringing production back to California, particularly this time of

802
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 3: recovery and renewal, and so I want to see them

803
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: step up as well.

804
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: But we're going to step up.

805
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: It's in my budget and I'm gonna I said to

806
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: my legislative friends, I said, there's no budget, I'll detail

807
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 3: the budget. If we don't get it done, it's going

808
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 3: to get done, and we're going to do other things

809
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: to start promoting bringing people back. Look, you know, world

810
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 3: we invented is competing against us in so many ways.

811
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, across the spectrum of industries. And

812
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: so I think California started resting on its laurels a

813
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: little bit, and we didn't invest in our future like

814
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: we did in the past in the fifties and sixties,

815
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: And we have to reconcile that. Now we've got one

816
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty billion dollar infrastructure plan that's bigger than

817
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: it was during the Pat Brown era in the fifties

818
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: and sixties. We're starting to make big investments, bold investments,

819
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: and quantum and immunology, new public private partnerships. Again, that

820
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: conditions the Silicon Valley continue to thrive. That's why you

821
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 3: have the NVIDIAs out here, and you have so I mean,

822
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: the sam For all the people hating on California, they

823
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: still seem to have so many of their business imprints

824
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 3: here in this great state. You know, we we have

825
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: progressive tax system, but we have an increased state taxes

826
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 3: since twenty eleven Trump administration did with the salt the

827
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: state and local salt deductions, which are impacting you in

828
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 3: New York as well. It's hurt the big Blue states.

829
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: But I'm mindful of sensitivities around taxes. I'm mindful about

830
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: the need to do regulatory reform sequel. I've done forty

831
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 3: two secret reform bills. We've done streamlining on large scale projects. Again,

832
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: I watch Fox, I pay attention Newsmax one American News.

833
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: I don't turn my back to the critics. But there

834
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: is a sort of California arrangement syndrome out there that

835
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: is just sort of ridiculous. This notion that this is

836
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: the only state that has challenges. It's just comedic, but

837
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: it's damaging. We record breaking tourism last year. We have

838
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: a surplus again. We have a state with population growing again.

839
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 3: You wouldn't know that that's not prevalent. It's not part

840
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: of the discussion golf by the fires. It's been in

841
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: golfing the fires. It's you know, it's a failed state,

842
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: you know, California, And so it's you know, it's a

843
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 3: whole industry California. It's a man and I get it.

844
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: It's like you and so, yeah, buck up. But for me,

845
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: you know, it's not just bucking up. It's like it's

846
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 3: a big it's pride for me again, as a guy

847
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: lives here who cares about the state, is to make

848
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: a case a new for it.

849
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: And I'm a little CLINTONI about it.

850
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with it that can't be fixed with

851
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 3: by what's right with it, And so you know, I

852
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: need some boosters out there. Some of the biggest critics,

853
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 3: again are the biggest beneficiaries. Elon Musk, why do you

854
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: become a billionaire? His first billion came from California because

855
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 3: of the regulations, not despite them, because of them, because

856
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: of our vehicle fuel mandates that helped create that industry.

857
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 3: Billions and billions of dollars of subsidies that the people

858
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: of the state of California, not just the federal government,

859
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 3: has provided these guys, and yet they're tech in the state,

860
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: even though this state created a state of mind, that

861
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 3: quality of imagination, and a regulatory framework that made risk

862
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: taking work for them. God bless our entrepreneurial talents. Thank

863
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: you for their entrepreneurship. I don't begrudge their success, but

864
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: I do take a little umbrage by their constant drumbeat

865
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: of criticism that I just find unbecoming of people that

866
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: have enjoyed the benefits and success that have been a

867
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 3: big partner that we've been partners in this state.

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Speaker 2: Eighty four.

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Speaker 1: I'm here in this state. I move here. I lived

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Speaker 1: in Venice for five years. So I drive over the

871
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: four h five. You'd hit the top of Mulholland you'd

872
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: be going into the valley heading north, and it was

873
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: like mustard gas, the band of toxins in the air

874
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: in the valley in California in the eighties, it was

875
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: I couldn't even believe it. Your eyes were teering if

876
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Speaker 1: you had the top down of the car. And of

877
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Speaker 1: course California renowned for this making the emissions laws change

878
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: and change change. When I lived here, everybody lived on

879
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: the west side. Nobody lived Inland, Silver Lake, Los Felis,

880
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: Korea Town down to Nobody lived there unless you didn't

881
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: have any money, and you all live on the west side.

882
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: Now the West side is like the upper east side

883
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: of Manhattan. Only old, rich people live there, and all

884
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: the young people have moved Inland because of the change

885
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: in the air qual and pop'll forget it and change everything.

886
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: In the late sixties, La was basically unlivable. The business

887
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: community was outraged.

888
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: They went to this guy up in Sacramento, happens to

889
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: share a similar office, guy named Ronald Reagan, Governor. They said,

890
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 3: Jesus Reagan, you know this. This smog's out of control

891
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. We can't recruit employees, let alone businesses,

892
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 3: corporate headquarters, etc. You got to clean this so literally,

893
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: modern air quality movements started with Ronald Reagan, Republican created

894
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: the California Air Resources Board. Three years later, a guy

895
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: named Richard Nixon, Republican, codifies California's waiver with something called

896
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: the Clean Air Act. Two Republican leaders that allowed us

897
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: to have these established rules every hour.

898
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I few every once in a while.

899
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: But the point being, those are the rules that are

900
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 3: being vandalized by the current administration. Those are the rules

901
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: they are coming after. That are the rules that established

902
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: the strategies that ultimately led to some of the improvements

903
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 3: that you rightly notice.

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Speaker 1: You know, for me, I would come out here and

905
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: when you're in Toronto, when you're in New York, when

906
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: you're in Vancouver, when you're in Chicago. Back in the day,

907
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: you're going to different places in this country. Orlando where

908
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: they had to grow an indigenous crop of people to

909
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: work there. De Lamentis apparently was somebody who coaxed people

910
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: in the unions to bring furniture makers to come and

911
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: build sets in North Carolina. When you build this DDL

912
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: studios there, you got to have an indigenous worker base. Now,

913
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: there is no indigenous workerbase on the planet that compares

914
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Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. And I always say the same story.

915
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: You go to New York and the prop guy would

916
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: say what kind of watch you want to wear?

917
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Speaker 2: And I would go, well, let's take a look.

918
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: And he opened up a case and there was fifty

919
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: watches in there in a case you come to Los

920
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: Angeles at the studio, the guy goes, what kind of

921
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: watch you want to wear? And you want to know,

922
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: let's take a look. He rolls in two steam trunks

923
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Speaker 1: with four hundred watches in them. Hollywood is Hollywood. Yeah,

924
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: Hollywood is Hollywood and everybody who knows now as I

925
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: get a little emotional about this, which is, you only

926
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: want to make movies here if you can. I love

927
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: working here. It's the best of the best. There's nothing

928
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Speaker 1: like shooting a movie in LA and I want to

929
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: see that come back one hundred percent.

930
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Speaker 3: And just to give me a little bona fidies for

931
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Speaker 3: me on this. When Arno was governor, I remember back

932
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 3: to one I I was mayor, he was governor, and

933
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Speaker 3: I was very I was very vocal by one critique

934
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Speaker 3: of Arnold. There were a few, but one of them

935
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: was like, why the hell aren't you doing more to

936
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Speaker 3: keep Hollywood production here? You're Arnold's sports the mayor, And

937
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: He's like, well, he made the point that you made earlier,

938
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Speaker 3: which is interesting, was a legitimate sense. I gotta do this.

939
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: I got to then do it. For biotech. We're the

940
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: birthplace of biotech and life science. And Nanto technology line

941
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: they want, and so it was erased the bottom from

942
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: his perspective. But in San Francisco, we became the first

943
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 3: city to do it. So we did it, and I

944
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: got an NBC production, which was a big deal, at

945
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Speaker 3: least at the time I made it a big deal.

946
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Speaker 2: It was a small ball thing. It was a little

947
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 2: TV show.

948
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Speaker 3: But with our tax credits to make the point, and

949
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: then of course I ran for governor making a commitment.

950
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Speaker 3: We were able to increase the tax credits. A few

951
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 3: years ago. We were able to expand how you can

952
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 3: utilize them a little more flexibility.

953
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Speaker 2: With some questions there.

954
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 3: But now I said, look we're playing small ball. We

955
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: got to double it to the point. So look that's

956
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: one way, but I think it's more important than that.

957
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 3: We got to make it. You know this industry, and

958
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: I you know, and I appreciate you know this better

959
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 3: than anyone. And with all the labor issues, I mean,

960
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: the SAG and everything else that happens, so you have COVID,

961
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: these things are shut down, strikes, strikes, social unrest. George

962
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: Floyd all this, you stack all that stress and anxiety,

963
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 3: all the burning, but it hasn't come back since the

964
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Speaker 3: strikes entered at all, even back to where it was prior.

965
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Speaker 3: So this is a this is code read, this is

966
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Speaker 3: life support time, and it's a point of deep pride

967
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Speaker 3: that first of all, it's the point of pride of

968
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Speaker 3: hearing you say how much you love to be down

969
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: here movies, because that's that's intangible. There's no legislation for that.

970
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 3: It's spirit pride, and that's the game that should separate

971
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: the game played here from anywhere else. But we have

972
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: to have more muscle, and we as a state need

973
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Speaker 3: to be more supportive and create the conditions to stabilize

974
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Speaker 3: and send the signals that we're going to have the

975
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Speaker 3: back of this industry. And again, it's not just people

976
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Speaker 3: like you with love and respect. It's the person that

977
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Speaker 3: rolled up in that car that was showing you those

978
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Speaker 3: watches that are the beneficiaries of you.

979
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Speaker 2: Beat in town. It's the damn the world.

980
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: Yes, and they and they deserve middle class folks, hardworking

981
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 3: folks that are out of work right now.

982
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Speaker 1: My last thing for you is this, which that you're

983
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Speaker 1: one of the few people, I mean many people in

984
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Speaker 1: your profession everyone, but in life, you're one of the

985
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: few people who you know when your job's over.

986
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Speaker 2: Except I don't. I mean, these recalls come, I'm a.

987
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Speaker 1: Ignoring that twenty twenty four. So the next selection is

988
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight in Washington. That'll leave you two

989
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: years to kind of focus on. What are you going

990
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: to focus on those two years?

991
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a milk cart and I got to sell

992
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Speaker 2: by date. I get it.

993
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: And it's very sobering, and I'm very mindful of that.

994
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Speaker 3: And again with the sense of urgency that I brought

995
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Speaker 3: into this job after the recall, and I have no

996
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: idea what the hell's.

997
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: Going to happen.

998
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: That's some idea is that you know what everybody's like, Well,

999
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: what does Democratic Party need to do to get back

1000
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: on to that? What are the real why did Kamala

1001
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: Harris loose? So I'm up to nine pages of analysis.

1002
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: Each page contradicts the prior page. I think, you know,

1003
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 3: we're going to have to figure out where the hell

1004
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: this party is or how we get out of this.

1005
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: I think all of.

1006
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Speaker 3: Most of it will be shaped by what Trump does

1007
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: and in reaction too, but I think there's got to

1008
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 3: be a little bit of a deeper reflection on this

1009
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 3: party and where we'll be in four years, who the

1010
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 3: hell knows.

1011
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: I won't ask you that question, but I will say

1012
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: as we finish, I don't think your caretaking years are over.

1013
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: You still have some more work to do to take

1014
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: care of people, to take care of people, and you

1015
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: may have to move out of California.

1016
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: So we'll say we need another California politician, that we

1017
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: need a.

1018
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: California governor to step up and solve some of the

1019
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: country's problems.

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Speaker 2: God bless You're good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: My thanks to California Governor Gavin Newsom. This episode was

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Speaker 1: recorded at Lime Studios in Santa Monica and CDM Studios

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Speaker 1: in New York City. We're produced by Kathleen Russo, Zach MacNeice,

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Speaker 1: and Victoria De Martin. Our engineer is Frank Imperio. Our

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Speaker 1: social media manager is Danielle Gingrich. Special thanks to Chris O'Keefe.

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Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the Thing is brought to you

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