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Speaker 1: Derek is not here right now, but he might join
Speaker 1: us later in the show. We'll see. We never know
Speaker 1: what Devis is gonna do. You just get to make
Speaker 1: up the rules if you run the department. I guess
Speaker 1: that's fine. Yeah, he's just kinda want to get called
Speaker 1: to meetings upstairs. Yeah, you know the people that call
Speaker 1: him into meetings. I guess you can't afford to turn
Speaker 1: them down. I think it's probably been where he said, hey,
Speaker 1: I need you to come up for a meeting. He's like,
Speaker 1: I have a show at eleven thirty, and they're like okay,
Speaker 1: and and yeah, and then and then you're like and
Speaker 1: then he okay, I'll see all next week. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. Either you're committed to the
Speaker 1: show or you're not. Whatever you tell that, you tell
Speaker 1: that to someone named Jones, I dare you. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's get into it today. We heard some news, some
Speaker 1: updates that are currently happening, as far as a signing
Speaker 1: that's about to happen. I know the Cowboys as of
Speaker 1: right now have agreed to terms with a punter, um
Speaker 1: Jared what was his name, Brian, And we love to
Speaker 1: joke about how it like the timing is always bad
Speaker 1: in our industry, but that was perfect. Like we were
Speaker 1: just kind of sitting around waiting to do the show
Speaker 1: and it came down and got it written and taken
Speaker 1: care of and got it confirmed. Yeah yeah, like thirty
Speaker 1: seconds later. Like yeah, that's the biggest thing. And I
Speaker 1: know fans out there that that see other stuff and
Speaker 1: people can do things really loosely and agreed to terms
Speaker 1: according to sources and stuff like that, and it's a
Speaker 1: little bit harder for us. So we get calls from
Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue in New York if we don't cross all
Speaker 1: ourts and dot allR right, right, So we've got to
Speaker 1: make sure it's good. So when we when we get
Speaker 1: that agreed to terms text message or call that we
Speaker 1: were happy about that. But you know, speaking of the position,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that we're talking about a veteran
Speaker 1: guy here, and I thought Hunter nice wonder did a
Speaker 1: nice job, did a nice job, did a nice wonder job.
Speaker 1: Last year better than we've ever seen he really, I
Speaker 1: mean from in the last ten years. I mean, his
Speaker 1: his average was better than what we've seen out of
Speaker 1: Chris Jones. But you know, he's he didn't do enough
Speaker 1: where you're like, that's your job. I literally was sort
Speaker 1: of tinkering with the depth chart and just sort of
Speaker 1: thinking about the draft last night, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like Hunter was good last year, But in any given year,
Speaker 1: how many punters are so good in the NFL that
Speaker 1: they you shouldn't try to have a competition, you know,
Speaker 1: like maybe maybe there's one like Leckler has been that
Speaker 1: guy for a long time. Probably Johnny Hecker's in that
Speaker 1: category where you're just like, oh, we're fine, but a
Speaker 1: guy that played nine games for you, like absolutely not,
Speaker 1: like bring in some competition. This this will be great.
Speaker 1: And twelve hours later they did, so, Yeah, what I
Speaker 1: don't know about this because again I just got um,
Speaker 1: he just got agreed to you know, the terms here.
Speaker 1: But is he if he's a kickoff guy, he did
Speaker 1: do kickoffs in Houston Lafe. See that changes things a
Speaker 1: little bit from the standpoint of what you want Zerline
Speaker 1: to be doing and how much you want his leg
Speaker 1: you know, because his team's gonna score, and they score points,
Speaker 1: they kick off a lot, you want to have that
Speaker 1: option of him doing that also, holder, you know, just depends.
Speaker 1: It's just the whole package. And you said he was
Speaker 1: drafted there's a joke keeps drafted higher than It's not
Speaker 1: a joke, like, I mean, no offense to him that
Speaker 1: his lasting legacy is that he was he was taken
Speaker 1: ahead of Russell Wilson, the jack. The Jags drafted a
Speaker 1: punter over a guy that's, you know, argue, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the best two or three quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: So they had portals. Yeah, yeah, no, they were good,
Speaker 1: they were Yeah. Russ was pick seventy five and obviously
Speaker 1: seventy four. Other guys were taken in front of us too.
Speaker 1: But when it's a punter, like where was he taken?
Speaker 1: Brian Inger? He was pick seventy by the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Third round. What school? Uh, California? Okay, I remember there
Speaker 1: was there was a lot of hype on him coming out.
Speaker 1: He was a very good player. But like you just
Speaker 1: in same you know Roberto Aguayo, the guy that the
Speaker 1: FS guy, one of the best college kickers of all time.
Speaker 1: Like I think he missed one in four years. But
Speaker 1: you just don't draft special Texas punter Dixon. He was
Speaker 1: a fifth or sixth round pick, Which that's fine. It's
Speaker 1: kind of weird if there's a guy that you love
Speaker 1: that you went like, sixth round is where I start
Speaker 1: thinking that's a good idea. Maybe fifth if he's amazing.
Speaker 1: But third round for a punter Andy with Jacksonville and
Speaker 1: he went to Houston, so he went well, he went
Speaker 1: to Tampa before like he played all four years with
Speaker 1: the Jags, but they didn't resign him. So four years
Speaker 1: of a decent punter over Russell Wilson, the hold on
Speaker 1: cal Berkeley drafted by Jacksonville, went to Tampa. Where we going?
Speaker 1: Euston Dallas, what do you think? I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: He doesn't like kicking in the cold. That's well, that's fair,
Speaker 1: fair enough. Who does who does well? He made his
Speaker 1: way to Dallas. Now he's over here, He's gonna be
Speaker 1: over here, and a healthy competition there at the position.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what just ends up happening. Interesting time, though,
Speaker 1: because this is a time where things usually tend to
Speaker 1: calm down with free agency and you start turning your
Speaker 1: attention around and focusing more on the draft. Do you
Speaker 1: guys think that the Cowboys will be signing anyone else
Speaker 1: or any at any other position here in the near
Speaker 1: future before the draft? I I think that you could.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what they did last year. I
Speaker 1: know that you can't compare anything to last year, how
Speaker 1: crazy it was, but I feel like that, you know,
Speaker 1: there are guys out there that you sign. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: are expected to bring in even a tight end today,
Speaker 1: and you're going to take a physical and if he passes,
Speaker 1: they could sign him. Jeremy Sprinkle, he's been in the
Speaker 1: league for a few years, but that's not official move
Speaker 1: or anything that that's pending a physical. And and also
Speaker 1: just to clarify, I would kind of hard some things too.
Speaker 1: Kean O'Neill agree to terms. They're waiting for him to
Speaker 1: get a physical, he's waiting to fly here. He's dealing
Speaker 1: with some medical issues. Nothing major, nothing, they're they're alarmed about.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest question fans want to know is
Speaker 1: what's he gonna wear with jersey? Because he war twenty two.
Speaker 1: That's a great segue. Do we just want to do?
Speaker 1: We just want to get all this uniform madness out
Speaker 1: of the way. Which is gonna wear twenty two? No,
Speaker 1: he's not. And Jalen's wearing nine, and I saw Gallup
Speaker 1: was going to switch into number four. We'll see what
Speaker 1: Dak does. I think eight's available for any we're joking
Speaker 1: if yeah, I can't assume any Everybody listening to this
Speaker 1: is all over Twitter, so I don't want to confuse anybody.
Speaker 1: All right, what's going on with the does't divide this
Speaker 1: into two parts? Number one? Is this an actual thing?
Speaker 1: We know that the league is waiting to approve. It's
Speaker 1: winning on approval, and it's something that's depending It is
Speaker 1: an actual thing. The Kansas City Chiefs have proposed a
Speaker 1: rule that would allow basically skill players to wear a
Speaker 1: much wider range of numbers. So, like you know, receivers
Speaker 1: can only wear ten to nineteen and eighty to eighty nine.
Speaker 1: Right now, this rule would allow them to wear one
Speaker 1: to nineteen as well as eighty to eighty nine. Running
Speaker 1: Backs can wear single digit numbers linebackers as well, so
Speaker 1: basically everybody but offensive and defensive lineman, and I believe
Speaker 1: quarterbacks can wear anything from like one to fifty nine
Speaker 1: more or less. So you're seeing a lot of guys
Speaker 1: talking about it. Obviously, that's a thing in college football.
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith famously war nine for Notre Dame. Part of
Speaker 1: the reason he chose fifty four was because it adds
Speaker 1: up to nine. Nine is a big thing for him.
Speaker 1: Not sure why, but it's his number. You know, you've
Speaker 1: seen guys around the league, you know Odell Beckham war
Speaker 1: three in college. This would allow him to switch to
Speaker 1: three if he wanted to, just to It's not a
Speaker 1: big deal, but people love talking uniforms. So man, how
Speaker 1: likely are the Cowboys though, to accept because I would
Speaker 1: imagine you have to the Cowboys have to accept a
Speaker 1: player's proposal to like, oh kind of change to this number.
Speaker 1: They don't have to accept it. They're spend many of
Speaker 1: people that want to wear number twelve and number eighty
Speaker 1: eight and number twenty two and stuff like that and
Speaker 1: seventy four. No one's ever worned seventy four other than
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying, like, you basically need the
Speaker 1: cowboys approval, whether they say yeah no, the Cowboys how
Speaker 1: to accept or not accept, right, So there's before we
Speaker 1: get there, though, there are there are some things. And again,
Speaker 1: if they're going to change the rule, they could change
Speaker 1: multiple rules, but in the past you had to put
Speaker 1: a request for like two years. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're going to still do that. I think that's
Speaker 1: what gets lost in all of this. And the rule
Speaker 1: hasn't even been approved. There's another there's another competition owners
Speaker 1: meeting later. They already had one here in Dallas. There's
Speaker 1: another one later this spring, so they'll vote on that,
Speaker 1: you know, sometime in May. They'll vote and see if
Speaker 1: it even gets approved. But if it does, that's I
Speaker 1: think the intricacies of this kind of get lost because
Speaker 1: you know, if um, I don't know if if Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson wants to change is ur is that a huge deal.
Speaker 1: Probably not like we've you know, Jordan Lewis and Cheetah
Speaker 1: Woozier have done it in recent years and it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal, but you know, Jalen Smith and Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup and Amari Cooper are and Ezekiel Elliott Zeke got
Speaker 1: in on it this morning. He said, yeah, I'd love
Speaker 1: to wear fifteen again. That was his number at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: These are guys that sell tens of millions of units
Speaker 1: of merchandise, and I just feel like there's a little
Speaker 1: bit more to it than that than there's two ways
Speaker 1: roll enough to work on a Wednesday and saying I'm
Speaker 1: fifteen now, yeah, because that's I mean, that's a big
Speaker 1: monetary decision when you're talking about guys that have their
Speaker 1: jerseys in every sporting goods store in America. So I'll
Speaker 1: be seeing if it passes, which that's I keep saying,
Speaker 1: like it's not even a rule yet, but if it passes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it and it happened before that too, Like you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about current players. I remember, you know Roy
Speaker 1: Williams wore thirty one, five time pro bowler and then
Speaker 1: he switched to thirty eight, and he did it because
Speaker 1: he kind of needed a change. Marcus Spears same thing
Speaker 1: ninety six to ninety eight. You know, maybe that's what
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith needs. But let's bring it back towards that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why he need. Let's bring it back towards that.
Speaker 1: And this is an interesting one because it's it deals
Speaker 1: with two players that I think are the most polarizing
Speaker 1: players in their of their time. That depending on the
Speaker 1: fan base, some of them, you know, love the guy,
Speaker 1: hate the guy, whatever, And there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: people that hate Ramo. They just thought he you know,
Speaker 1: not anymore. They definitely did. They did, Yeah, they did.
Speaker 1: So are we really about to have this conversation? Well,
Speaker 1: get ready, age seriously waiting it. This is the most
Speaker 1: ridiculous conversation right here. What you're about to say, let's
Speaker 1: take it away. Take it away because you got more,
Speaker 1: you got more passionate about it than I know. To me,
Speaker 1: it's not even like it doesn't go even on the
Speaker 1: same sentence. The two guys don't even go on the
Speaker 1: same sentence. It's just not comparable at all whatsoever. So
Speaker 1: I would like to hear if you guys have a
Speaker 1: different opinion. I do. I do a little bit because
Speaker 1: I think the point I think you're you're missing here.
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing the players. It's not about Jalen Smith.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's about Romo. It's about the number.
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't protect all these numbers. You can't.
Speaker 1: There are there are five number or four numbers right
Speaker 1: now in the Ring of Honor that are multiple the
Speaker 1: multiple players have it. So that means a Ring of
Speaker 1: Honor player left and another guy came in, and there's
Speaker 1: gonna be five when DeMarcus Ware gets in because Haley's in,
Speaker 1: So five numbers are already duplicated. So Romo can't. You
Speaker 1: can't protect him. So you can't protect the number. He was.
Speaker 1: He was a great player at this time, probably better
Speaker 1: than I think people gave him credit for. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, somebody's gonna wear nine again.
Speaker 1: Now yeah, but who Okay, seriously, but that's I get
Speaker 1: your point. You can't protect the number forever. It's fine,
Speaker 1: you can't someone what's right. But so what's worse. What's
Speaker 1: worse getting getting a young quarterback that they draft in
Speaker 1: the second round let's say this year, to maybe be
Speaker 1: a replacement. It ain't gonna happen. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: a young budding quarterback at number nine, give him number nine,
Speaker 1: or give a linebacker number nine, because I guarantee you
Speaker 1: none of Romo's passing records are gonna be broken by
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith. That's what I'm saying. Like, and I know
Speaker 1: this because they'll give twenty eight out, but they had
Speaker 1: to give it to a young safety. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: give forty eight to each to a full back. You
Speaker 1: said that last night when we talked about tell me
Speaker 1: Jamie Showers. I won't. I'll tell you Daryl Warley. Instead,
Speaker 1: they sent him out there to get abused wearing twenty
Speaker 1: eight all last year. Just saying, Darryl Warley chasing after
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk for eighty yards against Arizona, Like, oh my god, quarterback. Okay,
Speaker 1: played a lot of safety. I'm just saying. And that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I come down on it is
Speaker 1: there was it feels so selective to me, and like
Speaker 1: you can't protect all these numbers. And again I said this,
Speaker 1: like Jalen Smith is currently wearing the number of like
Speaker 1: too far greater Cowboys than Tony Romo. Yeah, I hope
Speaker 1: nobody gets mad about that, but they are. Chuck Howley
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl Super Bowl MVP, like a five
Speaker 1: time a'lpro Randy White, I mean, come on, a manster.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think that that and that's true,
Speaker 1: but how I see it's like, Okay, how long ago
Speaker 1: was that? Though you know it's the thing, it's so
Speaker 1: much recent that is the crux of it is like Romo,
Speaker 1: for he just retired and he was like he was
Speaker 1: the bright spot of this franchise for a solid fifteen years.
Speaker 1: And especially for younger fans, like if you're my age
Speaker 1: and you grew up a Cowboy fan, like Tony Romo's
Speaker 1: really the best thing that you've seen from this team
Speaker 1: so far in your life. And and I think that's
Speaker 1: what prompts this emotional response to it, which I get
Speaker 1: it's weird. I think the three of us have three
Speaker 1: different takes on this because it's there's there's so many
Speaker 1: way you can slice this thing, because it's not about
Speaker 1: one player versus another. Because and I said this, I
Speaker 1: said this to you, M. Dave earlier. I think that
Speaker 1: Larry Allen is the greatest offensive lineman, greatest guard in
Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. And I don't think you
Speaker 1: can say that about any other player that's ever played
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys. Other than Digon Sanders that is
Speaker 1: the best at their position, hands down. Joe Looney rock
Speaker 1: seventy three for the last four or five years. McKinsey
Speaker 1: Bernardo had it too. Okay, Yeah, so that's it's it's
Speaker 1: so selective to me, that's my thing. And then and
Speaker 1: for that matter, my like, I get it if it's
Speaker 1: the same position, don't give twenty two to Zeke. But
Speaker 1: like if Keyan O'Neil wanted to wear twenty two, me personally,
Speaker 1: that doesn't bother me. He's not playing running back. It's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you only have so many numbers. You know,
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith is wearing these great linebackers numbers. You know
Speaker 1: they've given twenty eight. You know, Felix Jones were twenty eight. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, a decade from now, if a receiver
Speaker 1: wanted to wear eighty two, it's not gonna bother Okay, Kyle,
Speaker 1: this is Jerry Jones, and I'm not doing a Jerry impression.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this is this is as You've just
Speaker 1: been drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. Great. I can't wait, guys,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get there. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: wear it number twelve, uh or eighty two? The rule
Speaker 1: would have to be passed first. Twelve can't we as
Speaker 1: a tight end? Are we sure tight end can? Tight
Speaker 1: ends were tended nineteen? I thought, Wait, all right, so
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we're doing research anyway here he wants to
Speaker 1: wear an eighty two or twelve or whatever. You're like
Speaker 1: about that. Nope, tight ends can only wear eighty to
Speaker 1: eighty nine. And right, yeah, but if the rule passed,
Speaker 1: he could And no, that doesn't bite like I'm seculating
Speaker 1: a lot here because we can get into some Kyle
Speaker 1: Pits talk that it's so it's so selective, like everybody
Speaker 1: wants the hot shot receiver to wear eighty eight, and
Speaker 1: everybody want you know, Randy Gregory got ninety four, DeMarcus
Speaker 1: where got ninety four? After Haley It's it's a sweet spot.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's like if you're if you're not
Speaker 1: gonna do it at all. Like here's a number, can't
Speaker 1: touch it, No one can happen. Here's a number. You
Speaker 1: can touch it, but you can't be anything close to
Speaker 1: the position. Or here's a number. It could be the
Speaker 1: same position, but you better be a badass. Yep. Eighty eight, yep,
Speaker 1: ninety four and then and also in a way, fifty
Speaker 1: four was given to Jalen Smith for that reason. You know,
Speaker 1: everyone wants to you and laugh about what were their expectations.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was coming off an injury and all that,
Speaker 1: but I think that their expectation was he was gonna
Speaker 1: be good. That same with Bobby Carpenter. You know, he
Speaker 1: was first round pick, he gets fifty four, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good That always worked out. We gave it
Speaker 1: to Bruce Hambrick. You know hambric were as a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. Yeah, that that that was in two thousand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they weren't doing that. They weren't thinking there is there
Speaker 1: has been a running back to where thirty three, but
Speaker 1: there probably won't be another one. Yeah. I mean, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, But I didn't I didn't mind at all
Speaker 1: when Cheeto was wearing thirty three. Yeah, like he plays quarterback.
Speaker 1: Who cares if they gave it to a running back?
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, that's just me. Everyone's got different
Speaker 1: opinions on this, and it's it's it's fun, it's healthy. Um,
Speaker 1: it's a fun debate. Yeah, I just I don't like
Speaker 1: the whole like, I love Tony Romo, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that his number is one that nobody can have.
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's go ahead and stop the nonsense
Speaker 1: and before we go to break, Okay, have we got
Speaker 1: other stuff to talk about? This is nonsense. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: stop the nonsense with between Romo and Jalen Smith conversation here.
Speaker 1: But right before we go to break, are there any
Speaker 1: expected rules to pass that could be a little controversial controversial?
Speaker 1: Or is there anything else that's the big one? I know,
Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens, the Baltimore Ravens proposed an overtime
Speaker 1: rule that actually sounds really really fun where the team
Speaker 1: that wins the coin toss gets to pick where the
Speaker 1: ball is placed on the field. So you win the
Speaker 1: coin toss, you say we're gonna put it on the
Speaker 1: opposing ten yard line. But then the other team gets
Speaker 1: to pick who plays offense and who plays defense. So
Speaker 1: a lot of strategy going into that. That could be
Speaker 1: really interesting. Yeah, it could be really interesting, but again
Speaker 1: we won't know if it passes for a while. And
Speaker 1: so that's where I'm at with the uniform thing, where
Speaker 1: I'm like, can we save this conversation for when it's
Speaker 1: even a reality, because it's not right now. So but
Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't I honestly don't know when those
Speaker 1: meetings are going to take place, but it should be
Speaker 1: sometime in May, as long as they don't. When it
Speaker 1: comes back to jerseys, and I said this as well,
Speaker 1: like college football, people wear all kinds of jerseys and
Speaker 1: doesn't really bother me. The only thing that bothers me
Speaker 1: is when you see like four number ones or number
Speaker 1: twos and all that kind of stuff, and and you
Speaker 1: have to they have to put a jersey on on
Speaker 1: the sideline, you know, because you can't wear the same
Speaker 1: jersey as someone else because he's playing special teams and
Speaker 1: there's another eighteen and I'm wearing you know, I hate
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I don't think I don't think
Speaker 1: it'll get to that. There's not that many players, but
Speaker 1: forty seven guys in uniform in the NFL on a
Speaker 1: game day, there's like eighty two guys in uniform in
Speaker 1: college football. So all right, yeah, anyway, all right, we're done. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're done with this segment. We're gonna go to break
Speaker 1: and when we come back, we'll switch the whole conversation
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Speaker 1: Cowboys free agency, we've seen what they've done so far,
Speaker 1: and before we get to the draft talk and some
Speaker 1: of these guys, the prospects that may be linked to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys currently, I want to talk to you guys
Speaker 1: about just some of the holes that they've filed so
Speaker 1: far through free agency and if some of those needs
Speaker 1: we know we've talked about safety, linebacker, are some of
Speaker 1: have some of those needs changed draft? I mean not drastically,
Speaker 1: but a little bit of what you kind of go
Speaker 1: into the draft thinking I do think so, I think
Speaker 1: I think it's changed some and not on the front end,
Speaker 1: not when you're talking about Thursday night, even maybe Friday.
Speaker 1: But when you don't signed Jordan Lewis. Um, then you
Speaker 1: go into this draft and you don't just need to
Speaker 1: get a cornerback in the first round. You gotta get
Speaker 1: multiple cornerbacks and they might anyways, but you would be
Speaker 1: pigeonholed to get two. You gotta get one in the
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth round. You gotta get another one, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: I think I think cornerback is one that they helped themselves. Um,
Speaker 1: they could go play a game with Diggs Brown. Why
Speaker 1: are you looking like this? They could? They could, they could,
Speaker 1: they could, But I mean, fun, but there, let me
Speaker 1: finish before you that who farted? Look I didn't say
Speaker 1: sorry Diggs Brown? Um, who am missing Lewis? Those three
Speaker 1: and then and then you then you're gonna draft one.
Speaker 1: But if you didn't signed Jordan Lewis, I mean you
Speaker 1: might have to draft two in the first for three
Speaker 1: or four rounds. Yeah, So I think I think. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's good. Jordan Lewis. Signing him didn't didn't
Speaker 1: help you didn't change the factor. You're probably gonna get
Speaker 1: one in the first round or so, but it did
Speaker 1: help from the standpoint of your numbers. And I think
Speaker 1: there's some other positions like that. I mean, they covered
Speaker 1: their asses, that's what they do. But I don't think
Speaker 1: they did anything that changes what they need to accomplish
Speaker 1: in the draft that Like, I don't think anything they did.
Speaker 1: They still need a cornerback and they need to draft
Speaker 1: him in the top one hundred, Like they need a
Speaker 1: guy who's good enough to potentially start right away. You know,
Speaker 1: they signed Tie and Secky, but does that make anybody
Speaker 1: feel better about the swing tackle spot? Like, not not me,
Speaker 1: not significantly anyway. Um, you know, they added a bunch
Speaker 1: of depth on the defensive line, but those aren't guys
Speaker 1: that you know should you Like, if if a guy's there,
Speaker 1: it's like, well we have we got brenn Urban, We're good.
Speaker 1: We don't need this guy, you know, Like, no, that's
Speaker 1: not that's not a thing. Um. I know we've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about safety, and I know that that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a first round type of position there. But Demante
Speaker 1: because he's guarantee. These are like minuscule compared to haha,
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix's and how that work out. Yeah, that's my point.
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, that could work out really well. And
Speaker 1: I actually I wrote a column about this last week,
Speaker 1: which is, you know they're buying they're buying scratch off cards.
Speaker 1: You know, you go to the gas station and spend
Speaker 1: two fifty on or how much does a scratch off
Speaker 1: card cost? I don't even know, or you know, I
Speaker 1: go to the I go to the gas station when
Speaker 1: the powerball is crazy, and I'm like, give me ten
Speaker 1: dollars worth of numbers, just you know, maybe, And I
Speaker 1: drive home and I'm like hell yeah, man, like this
Speaker 1: parents a house? Yeah, I'm like this could be the one,
Speaker 1: Like who's getting Like, okay, my brother can have some,
Speaker 1: I'll get my parents a house, like you know, uh
Speaker 1: quit Yeah, no, no, no, I absolutely wouldn't quit my job.
Speaker 1: My job would be even more fun if I was
Speaker 1: actually rich. Um. But then you go home in like
Speaker 1: five seconds into the broadcast, you didn't win. And that's
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys experience has been. Like they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know this guy, this guy had seven picks two
Speaker 1: years ago and we're only paying him like one point
Speaker 1: two million, like we could strike it rich, and they could,
Speaker 1: they absolutely could, but they haven't yet. It has not
Speaker 1: cashed in the way they wanted to yet and they've
Speaker 1: been doing it for eight years, so maybe this is
Speaker 1: the year. But seven interceptions in three years before that
Speaker 1: ten and last two years. What happened last year, which
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to I'm not trying to bash
Speaker 1: Demante because he or any of the other guys that
Speaker 1: they've signed. You know, huh, Zeke tried to bash him.
Speaker 1: He didn't, well, no, Zeke didn't try. Zeke ran him over. Um.
Speaker 1: What about the linebacker position? I mean, does that change
Speaker 1: they had draft needs as far as having Kian O'Neill,
Speaker 1: which would say the biggest signing that Keyan O'Neill is
Speaker 1: probably my favorite signing that they've made because I know
Speaker 1: what a good player he was, and he came back
Speaker 1: and had a nice season last year after two years
Speaker 1: of injuries. But it's a five million dollar deal and
Speaker 1: that's probably like the guarantees aren't five million, so again
Speaker 1: it's one year, like you're not these are these are
Speaker 1: not guys that you're looking to build around. And there
Speaker 1: are guys that you're you're saying, Okay, this guy can
Speaker 1: start for us if we need him to, but we're
Speaker 1: trying to improve this in the draft. That's what they do.
Speaker 1: And so again they've done They've done some things that
Speaker 1: I like, like, they've made some additions that I do like,
Speaker 1: but they haven't done anything where I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: was worried about that last month, but I'm not anymore like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if this, if they try to go into this season, honest, like,
Speaker 1: they need to draft a cornerback with one of their
Speaker 1: first two picks, because you think about what you got
Speaker 1: from Digs he was picked fifty one. You think about
Speaker 1: what you got from Cheetoh he was picked sixty like,
Speaker 1: and so now you're thinking, if I want better than that,
Speaker 1: I probably need to draft a corner number ten. I'm
Speaker 1: picking a corner at ten, and I mean, we can
Speaker 1: we can move into the next talk. As it stands
Speaker 1: right now, there are very few scenarios where I would
Speaker 1: go away from that. I'm I'm picking a cornerback at ten.
Speaker 1: And if some reason, if certain in and and I
Speaker 1: think I think J. C. Horne has now jumped himself
Speaker 1: into a legitimate number ten absolutely, And if he is.
Speaker 1: If it's eight nine for some reason it's eight nine
Speaker 1: and those two are off the board and you're sitting
Speaker 1: at ten, I mean that means there's an outstanding offensive
Speaker 1: lineman there, you'd like to think, because the quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: going right four four of them, maybe five. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I was going to ask you guys that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we saw it happened last year with Ceedee Lamp kind
Speaker 1: of help he fell into the Cowboys lab. But um,
Speaker 1: is there anyone, any player on the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball. There we go. I don't like to talk,
Speaker 1: but it could happen. Is there anyone, any name Dave
Speaker 1: that could pop up that you're like, Okay, if this guy,
Speaker 1: even though it's not a position of need, necessarily go
Speaker 1: for it. But he's too good to love the guy?
Speaker 1: How a few don't love the guy? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: His name is Kyle Pitts, And I'm sure I've been
Speaker 1: as excited about a draft prospect at some point in
Speaker 1: my career, but I'm struggling to think to remember it,
Speaker 1: and and I get like, it's terrible. Your eyes are
Speaker 1: like in your eyes flat got the longest wingspan of
Speaker 1: an offensive skill player in twenty five years. He runs
Speaker 1: a four four four at six five two fifty. U
Speaker 1: turn on the tape. You can in the SEC, which
Speaker 1: most people would agree is the deepest, most talented conference
Speaker 1: in college football. He's just going up there and posterizing guys,
Speaker 1: jumping over two and three dbs to pull in touchdown patches.
Speaker 1: He averaged eighteen yards per catch as a tight end.
Speaker 1: Oh you like j C. Hornnick? Oh no, Jason, I
Speaker 1: mean him, No, that's not him. But he beat j C.
Speaker 1: Horn in this game. Uh. He beat Tyson Campbell and
Speaker 1: Eric Stokes from Georgia, who are two of the best cornerback.
Speaker 1: That's jac Horn number one highlight. He beat j on
Speaker 1: a crossing round in this game. Um, he didn't beat
Speaker 1: up on Patrick's ur tan so much, but he did
Speaker 1: beat up on Alabama. The guy's just uncoverable. And I
Speaker 1: get can tell you Ed K. Hill who used to
Speaker 1: be who used to be running this show back in
Speaker 1: the back. It's not he's not running these highlights. Is
Speaker 1: he's a South Carolina guy. He's just getting abused. I mean,
Speaker 1: but everybody that played this guy got abused. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: glad we don't see any LSU or Arkansas. What we
Speaker 1: got here? Oh? Yeah, no, who is it? That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's saying him. He didn't play against LSU, which is
Speaker 1: probably a big part of the reason why Florida lost
Speaker 1: that game. We know that there are certain guys that
Speaker 1: you like or we like or whatever, but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: don't necessarily aren't necessarily aligned with us most of the time.
Speaker 1: But is this a guy that could attract Yes, well,
Speaker 1: let's go out with what's what's being reported right now?
Speaker 1: It's on the I mean, and why it's being reported
Speaker 1: as it is interesting too. But I think was Chris
Speaker 1: Mortenson from ESPN, who if you pay attention to these things,
Speaker 1: he never really does. He never talks a lot about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys other than like, you know, he talks to Jerry.
Speaker 1: That's if he's reporting on the Cowboys. It's because he
Speaker 1: had a conversation and it sounds like and he said
Speaker 1: he told him that you know, they're enamored or he's
Speaker 1: enamored by Kyle Pitts. And Jerry is a businessman here,
Speaker 1: he knows he knows how to play the game. Yes,
Speaker 1: he is probably enamored by and why would you not be,
Speaker 1: But he also has to think get these offensive guys, quarterbacks, linemen,
Speaker 1: tight ends, receivers off the board. Yeah, and there's no
Speaker 1: way that if he really thinks, oh, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: get now. I think I think it's true. I think
Speaker 1: Jerry really does like him. But you don't just start
Speaker 1: talking to people. You just tell him how much you
Speaker 1: love Yeah, if you wanted to draft Kyle Pitts, you
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't say that. You wouldn't say that if that
Speaker 1: was who you really wanted to wind up with, which
Speaker 1: that's the you know, and people people get so up
Speaker 1: in arms, which I think it's so funny. Fans are like,
Speaker 1: you know, all through the year, and I noticed that
Speaker 1: with mock drafts, to everybody's like, draft the best player,
Speaker 1: don't worry about the need. But then when the chips
Speaker 1: are down, it's like, what on earth are you talking about?
Speaker 1: We need cornerbacks. And that's mock drafts cracked me up too,
Speaker 1: because every draft analyst always says like, just get the
Speaker 1: best player, and every mock draft, you know, the little blurb,
Speaker 1: it's like, well they need a cornerback, so that's who
Speaker 1: I drafted for him. It's like the logic doesn't line up,
Speaker 1: and that's I think the world of Blake Jarwin. I
Speaker 1: thought he was going to have a breakout year last year.
Speaker 1: I feel even more strongly about that having watched Dalton
Speaker 1: Schultz do what he did. Dalton had a great season
Speaker 1: as well, but he's in a contract year. Jarwin's contract
Speaker 1: is structured so that, like, you can get away from
Speaker 1: it if you need to, Like so the you know,
Speaker 1: these are not building block players and this is a
Speaker 1: generational prospect. I'm just gonna say it. This is what
Speaker 1: if they draft any one on offense aside from the
Speaker 1: offensive line, I'm gonna be pissed. That's just the absolute
Speaker 1: wrong way to think about it. I'm sorry. I wasn't
Speaker 1: pissed about see Lamb. Last year. It was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but this year, No, this year, after the season we
Speaker 1: had last year, No, okay. You know they needed a
Speaker 1: defensive end in ninety eight and they drafted Greg Allis
Speaker 1: over Randy Moss. Like these are the types of conversations.
Speaker 1: That's cool, they need I know, I know you from
Speaker 1: a talent perspective, I know there was more to the
Speaker 1: Randy Moss thing. Yeah, but I'm just telling you, don't
Speaker 1: come crying to me in fifteen years when Kyle Pitts
Speaker 1: is the best player in New York Giants history. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Okay, I don't think if he is
Speaker 1: a generational player, like you say, and like a lot
Speaker 1: of people say, he's not going to tend no, And
Speaker 1: that's really it's kind of like the Jersey thing. It's
Speaker 1: probably a moot point. I really don't think he'll be there.
Speaker 1: I really don't. And so but but if he is
Speaker 1: the guy you need to do. If you're a Cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: you need to be pull and for Davante Smith, Mac
Speaker 1: Jones and Trey Lance, maybe Jamar Chase. You know you
Speaker 1: want those guys drafted because you want those quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: then those guys that's gonna give the Cowboys. Now, this
Speaker 1: is what I think is interesting. If if Horn and
Speaker 1: Certain are gone, what happens. I'm almost more intrigued about
Speaker 1: what happens if Horn and Certain are both there, because
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mean, you know which one do
Speaker 1: you take? Take? I'm saying, if enough players the Cowboys
Speaker 1: love are sitting at ten, you know Jerry will be
Speaker 1: on the phone. Yeah, you know they would love to
Speaker 1: trade down. You just you might not have seen that happen.
Speaker 1: And as if they trade down, I heard this the
Speaker 1: other day and I'm just throwing it out there. If
Speaker 1: the Cowboys trade down, do not be surprised if they
Speaker 1: picked twice in the first round because down, and then
Speaker 1: they got up with what they got. That would be fun.
Speaker 1: I would love that, which I was gonna say, you
Speaker 1: might want Trey Lance to fall to you because that's
Speaker 1: what facilitates a trade, that's what gets it going. You're
Speaker 1: right about that. New England might want a quarterback at fifteen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: would be smart to trade with a division rival, But
Speaker 1: maybe Washington wants to come up Chicago and Washington a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on the price. I would jack
Speaker 1: the price up. Oh yeah, you have to. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I would do it. Then. I just like,
Speaker 1: if they want like fields on the off chance that
Speaker 1: he becomes a star, do you really want to be
Speaker 1: the reason why your division rival found their quarterback. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a good idea. Don't think so either.
Speaker 1: But Chicago's right behind him at twenty. Maybe Chicago, their
Speaker 1: GM's about to get fired. Maybe he does something crazy
Speaker 1: to get a quarterback. So if Andy Dalton they only
Speaker 1: need trade up, there's a million ways this thing could go.
Speaker 1: And it's fascinating to think about. And if you try
Speaker 1: to keep up with all the mock drafts, they changed
Speaker 1: by the day, you know, like they you know, you
Speaker 1: you probably got a list of seven or eight eight
Speaker 1: guys that have kind of been linked to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: And I know, I don't even know if Pitts was
Speaker 1: on that list, but I mean Jerry talked about it,
Speaker 1: but I saw one the other day, Daniel Jeremiah. He's
Speaker 1: he's pretty plugged in Quity Pay quit Pay Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Michigan pass rusher, very very athletic, like bendy fast, explosive
Speaker 1: like And we talked about this on the Draft show yesterday.
Speaker 1: You know, spare me the taco stuff because you know,
Speaker 1: they both played at Michigan. But like Quitty Pay is
Speaker 1: an absurdly more athletic player, but his college production maybe
Speaker 1: scares you. Like I think he had four sacks last year,
Speaker 1: Like he didn't, you know, he wasn't this monstrous guy.
Speaker 1: You would be banking on his athleticism, You would be
Speaker 1: banking on him developing as he went along. Ten seems
Speaker 1: it's not the number for that. But if they trade back, right,
Speaker 1: that's I just you know, I look at it and
Speaker 1: I say, if Patrick's r tans there, I think he's
Speaker 1: your pick. Honestly, I think that's their dream scenario. J C. Horn.
Speaker 1: If if that's possible, then you're probably talking about an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle or a trade. And if you can't do that,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted Michael Parsons either.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to I love that actually, by the way,
Speaker 1: I know you love partners, I know, and I don't
Speaker 1: know where he fits on the board and where they'll
Speaker 1: he would have to fall and get him or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I think he's everything you want Jalen Smith to be.
Speaker 1: That's actually I did an interview that's that's coming out
Speaker 1: today with Bobby Carpenter, which against spare me the snark,
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL player, a great college guy who
Speaker 1: is plugged into the big ten. He said, he was like,
Speaker 1: if you want a comparison for Michael Parsons, it's pre
Speaker 1: injury Jalen Smith, like the guy that people were hoping
Speaker 1: he would be. Really that's interesting. So, um, you know,
Speaker 1: going back to J. C. Horne, we showed some highlights
Speaker 1: of him and you said he went up against Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts and as oppressive as it was for Pitts to
Speaker 1: beat the cornerback and all that, which, I think he's
Speaker 1: a bulky wide receiver. Um, but I love the See
Speaker 1: that's what I love about jac Horne is I got him.
Speaker 1: I got pits. Now, maybe he didn't get him all
Speaker 1: the time, maybe he got beat I bet he won
Speaker 1: some too, But that's what I love about him, not
Speaker 1: knocking Curtan. But obviously there's five star guys all over
Speaker 1: the line for for Alabama, there's not that many for
Speaker 1: South Carolina. As we saw his pits just to torm
Speaker 1: up the whole team. But he is He's more of
Speaker 1: a dog to me, and he is a guy we
Speaker 1: got some Jac Horne. Okay, I mean I think he
Speaker 1: takes the best guy every time. He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of other guys, you know, like on defense around him.
Speaker 1: He's tough. Is you know, if you love the fact
Speaker 1: that Certan's dad played fifteen years in the league, jac
Speaker 1: Horne's dad, Joe Horn, played ten to twelve years, pretty good.
Speaker 1: Saint Bride receiver. Um so I just I just love
Speaker 1: I really love his game, and I think I might
Speaker 1: pick him over him. Kyle Pitts said Horne was the
Speaker 1: guy like he hated going up against him the most.
Speaker 1: That was his toughest assignment this year. And I love
Speaker 1: Horn because he strikes me. I feel like Horn would
Speaker 1: come in here as a rookie and at mini camp, yes,
Speaker 1: he would bat down a pass from Dak Prescott and
Speaker 1: tell Dak that he's trash, like he's that type of guy.
Speaker 1: He's like he's got some like Richard shirt. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: don't maybe not not be so good at training camp
Speaker 1: because we get the sieve of what happened. You are like,
Speaker 1: you're so like you're so super stick. You're like, well, wait,
Speaker 1: I don't want him to be good. That means he's
Speaker 1: gonna let me down. Just suck through training camp and
Speaker 1: be great during the season. You're just you're so afraid
Speaker 1: to be hurt. And I love it. But we see
Speaker 1: it all the freaking time. It's like this, why you're
Speaker 1: shine during training camp and then they sucked during the season.
Speaker 1: They guys who shine during training camp shine during the season.
Speaker 1: Two Like Okay, You're like Renky Robinson and not show
Speaker 1: up at all at training camp and then just don't play,
Speaker 1: just keep don Mike McCarthy mentality of keeping things secret
Speaker 1: and then show up. I've never seen I know. I mean,
Speaker 1: cornerbacks are important. I watched that Auburn Carolina game, and
Speaker 1: I like, I've never seen a cornerback have such a
Speaker 1: ridiculous impact on the outcome of a game, Like he
Speaker 1: just terrorized bo Nix all afternoon in this game, which
Speaker 1: Bonnix isn't a very good quarterback. So no, there's that
Speaker 1: I'd like to I'd like to mix it up a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, I know that's the highlight package,
Speaker 1: you know. Sorry, Chris, I'm just saying I like to
Speaker 1: mix it up. Well, here's here's another thing about highlights too.
Speaker 1: And and I've learned this over the you know you
Speaker 1: go YouTube highlights or somebody huddle, you know in high school.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, give me the one where he's just getting beat,
Speaker 1: you know, like give me where he gets paying take
Speaker 1: to run over or something like. Watching tape is so much,
Speaker 1: especially if you're ever fortunate enough to watch like a
Speaker 1: cut up. Cutups are hilarious because like they'll put they'll
Speaker 1: group all of the good plays and you're watching and
Speaker 1: you're like, this guy's going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Let's go. And then you get to the bad plays
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's organized in a certain way.
Speaker 1: I get it now, so that's always fun. Well, let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and take ours all the Auburn game. This
Speaker 1: is unbelievable, Like, you're right, he played the gamesolutely, he
Speaker 1: killed him dominated. I keep waiting for another highlight, but
Speaker 1: I keep seeing the same game but different highlight, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was he SEC player of the week. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, fall in love with the player. So you
Speaker 1: don't get your heart broken when something happens in the
Speaker 1: draft and he does not end up here. Oh, I've
Speaker 1: learned a long time ago. You can't. You can't worry
Speaker 1: about the draft. They're gonna you know, they're gonna pick it.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't really, I'm not into what Dave
Speaker 1: does and Broadest did and Kyle and those guys because
Speaker 1: I just can't. I just can't invest. I just can't
Speaker 1: invest in four hundred guys, but no one that only
Speaker 1: twenty are going to be here. Oh, and I get
Speaker 1: it that in three or four years they'll be free
Speaker 1: agency and you learn them and all that. But I
Speaker 1: just not, Oh see, I I love it. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: a hipster, but like you know, I knew. I knew
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt was going to be a beast for the
Speaker 1: Chiefs before he ever played, and he like he had
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty yards in his first game. Like,
Speaker 1: it just helps you know the league so much better.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, yeah, I remember Kenny Galladay. I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was great coming out of school. He's just so
Speaker 1: I it just helps know the league so much more.
Speaker 1: Found another game one oh lsu oh here comes to
Speaker 1: score in a second. Yeah, anyway, I would be I
Speaker 1: would be tempted to draft j C. Horn over Patrick's Urtan.
Speaker 1: And I like Patrick's Urtan, but he is a hell
Speaker 1: of a player. He's physical. That's what I like about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I know certain is Certain would would
Speaker 1: be great. I just think you have to do you
Speaker 1: have to take a cornerback at ten? You just you
Speaker 1: have to. No, you should never know. I disagree with
Speaker 1: that completely. That goes again. That's my point is, like
Speaker 1: I just I think so much of Kyle Pitts that
Speaker 1: if for some reason he was there, and then that's
Speaker 1: when that's why you do your homework, and that's why
Speaker 1: you say, Okay, we like Eric Stokes, we like Elijah
Speaker 1: Molden out of Washington. Going back to your point, you
Speaker 1: know they have enough capital that they could maybe trade
Speaker 1: up for a guy if he fell a little bit,
Speaker 1: Greg Newsom out of Northwestern. You should never do anything. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to have that kind of mentality
Speaker 1: this year after the kind of season they had last year.
Speaker 1: And I get it. It's why you gotta peel back
Speaker 1: and remove your emotion from it. Okay, Well if you
Speaker 1: told me, oh, we didn't spending all our money on
Speaker 1: the quarterback, and we had some a bunch of money
Speaker 1: to spend on the other free agent veteran guys that
Speaker 1: can actually come in here and be very impactful, but
Speaker 1: that didn't really happen. So you're great, Okay, sorry, just
Speaker 1: love it. You made it. But you're lamed running to
Speaker 1: the podium to draft Kyle Pitts if I can, and
Speaker 1: I'll worry about everything else later. Okay. Well, let's take
Speaker 1: our final break, and when we come back, I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about some of them possibilities of trading
Speaker 1: down that you guys talked about and see if that
Speaker 1: could actually happen and how or what that would look
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Speaker 1: then maybe I added a little too much too, so
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for that. But okay, last segment,
Speaker 1: and you guys kind of hinted at the whole possibility
Speaker 1: of training down. Nick, you mentioned trading down and then
Speaker 1: training training back up. But if the cow was where
Speaker 1: to trade down, how does how would that look like?
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I know, it's hard to
Speaker 1: predict what who's going to be there and all that,
Speaker 1: But just looking at it right now, would you guys
Speaker 1: like that that if the Cowboys were to trade back
Speaker 1: in the right circumstance for the right price, I would
Speaker 1: love it, like, depending on what is available to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it is really hard to predict because everybody loves
Speaker 1: to say that and we always say like, you gotta
Speaker 1: have a trade partner, you got to have a player
Speaker 1: worth trading up. For that's almost always a quarterback, not always,
Speaker 1: but almost always, so Trey Lance mac Young. If one
Speaker 1: of them were to follow you at ten, or if
Speaker 1: a Jamar Chase or a Kyle Pitts, just this guy
Speaker 1: that somebody is completely obsessed with, you could maybe make
Speaker 1: that work. But you need that because we've seen what
Speaker 1: a trade looks like when you don't really have a partner,
Speaker 1: and that's the Travis Frederick trade, which it worked out
Speaker 1: because Travis was great, but they still kind of got
Speaker 1: fleeced on the deal, like Floyd was there for him.
Speaker 1: I think it was seventeen they were, or eighteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: you're picking eighteen, and they bailed because they didn't want
Speaker 1: to draft Sharif Floyd, which turned out to be a
Speaker 1: good call, but they only got a third round pick
Speaker 1: for moving thirteen spots in the first round of the draft.
Speaker 1: Like that's just not that's not good. And it's probably
Speaker 1: not a coincidence that they shook up the way that
Speaker 1: they do the draft after that happened. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. You know, I'm not bailing
Speaker 1: out of ten just because I'm terrified of picking somebody.
Speaker 1: But if somebody's gonna really sweeten the pot. I talked
Speaker 1: about this in the mailbag earlier this week, Like, if
Speaker 1: Chicago wanted to offer me their next year's one to
Speaker 1: jump ten spots, I would do that all day and
Speaker 1: then into twenty. You'd go down to twenty in this
Speaker 1: year's draft. Yeah, and then you get and I want
Speaker 1: next year's one. Hopefully I could maybe even get a
Speaker 1: Day two pick out of it as well, like next
Speaker 1: year's one and this year's three to fall back ten
Speaker 1: spots and let them get their quarterback. I would do
Speaker 1: that in a heartbeat, especially if it's for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and that's you need something but that you
Speaker 1: were capable of driving price. I say that too, or
Speaker 1: having next year's number one, because if most teams are
Speaker 1: not going to sit on their quarterback, they're gonna play him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so you want to trade with the team if
Speaker 1: you have their next year's number one, you want them
Speaker 1: to play a rookie quarterback and that he struggles and
Speaker 1: get a better pick out of it. So I would
Speaker 1: do that, you know, I'm like I said, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it for the sake of it, but in the
Speaker 1: right circumstance, you know, like I said, New England at
Speaker 1: fifteen makes sense. I don't know if you would want
Speaker 1: to trade with Washington Chicago. Those are probably in that
Speaker 1: scenario about trading next year for next year's one. You're
Speaker 1: not trading back into the first round. Probably not. The
Speaker 1: scenario that trades into the first round is like ten
Speaker 1: to like seventeen or something like that, and then you
Speaker 1: get their number two maybe something else out of it
Speaker 1: ten to seventeen, you probably get a two and maybe
Speaker 1: a four, and you package that pick some of that
Speaker 1: with picky and yeah, I mean we see that happen
Speaker 1: all the time. Somewhere between twenty seven and pick thirty two,
Speaker 1: somebody in the second round. He loves to jump up
Speaker 1: and get whoever it is that they covet. Again, a
Speaker 1: lot of times it's a quarterback, like if a Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson falls to the end of the first round or
Speaker 1: something like that. And I know a lot of fans
Speaker 1: know this, but it's worth pointing out just the difference
Speaker 1: in getting a first round pick with that fifth year,
Speaker 1: you have the ability to keep them for five seasons
Speaker 1: instead of just four. You know, the difference between the
Speaker 1: thirty second pick and the thirty third pick is tremendous,
Speaker 1: And that's you know, it gets a little convoluted, but
Speaker 1: that you know, So the Cowboys have four picks in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred right now, and I tend you know,
Speaker 1: top one hundred draft picks maybe not necessarily starters, but
Speaker 1: if you're drafting in the top one hundred, you should
Speaker 1: be good enough to contribute as a rookie significantly. So
Speaker 1: would they have four right now? Would you rather have
Speaker 1: four players in the top one hundred, four guys who
Speaker 1: can come in and contribute or use some of that
Speaker 1: capital to draft two guys in the first round. So
Speaker 1: now instead of four top one hundred, maybe you have
Speaker 1: two top thirty and those guys should be stars. And
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's always an interesting debate. That is
Speaker 1: a different scenario, which isn't necessarily trading picks for picks.
Speaker 1: But it's the whole Michael Gallup conversation which people have
Speaker 1: been having during this offseason, you know, kind of hinting,
Speaker 1: is he a good guy that would be good for
Speaker 1: a trade, and we know his contract is about to end,
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna require and ask for more money than
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys could possibly paid him. And looking at
Speaker 1: the fact that you still have Amari Cooper and um
Speaker 1: Cidey Lamb, Cilley Lamb, sorry for Nancy Brain Cidey Lamb.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys currently stand with that whole conversation?
Speaker 1: Is it still really a conversation or is that something
Speaker 1: that kind of like that's not really going to happens.
Speaker 1: That's well, there's a whole there's a segment. You know,
Speaker 1: there are is a segment of people that are so
Speaker 1: obsessed with best player available that they'll say, you know,
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Jalen Waddle or Davante Smith has a chance
Speaker 1: to be the best player available when you pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those I mean, those guys are studs. And if you
Speaker 1: were really about that business, you could draft one of
Speaker 1: those guys and either just let it roll or try
Speaker 1: to do something with Michael Gallop after the fall. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do anything with Gallop unless that happened, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you wind up with Kyle Pitts or a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: maybe you could make that happen. I always say it
Speaker 1: just like people are always trying to solve problems before
Speaker 1: they arise. And I know we've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: but Amari Cooper's deal is structured to where they can
Speaker 1: get out of it this time next year without really
Speaker 1: any consequences. Like the vast majority of his guarantees are
Speaker 1: front loaded and they'll be done, so you could trade
Speaker 1: Amar next year for cheap. You could cut him if
Speaker 1: you wanted to. I don't know why you would. He's great.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be great, but you could so. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could find a way to pay Michael if you
Speaker 1: would prefer to keep him around, or you know, if
Speaker 1: he leaves. Based on what he's done, I would think
Speaker 1: any deal that he would sign a free agency would
Speaker 1: net you a fourth or maybe even a third round pick, depending,
Speaker 1: so you could go that way. So I don't think
Speaker 1: it's necessary. Would you get for him if you traded
Speaker 1: him right now? That's a great Q draft day, on
Speaker 1: draft day before you draft a receiver or after, because
Speaker 1: I think you know, if you draft Jalen Waddle and
Speaker 1: then you try to move Michael Gallop, I think people
Speaker 1: would be like, well, I'm not going to pay a
Speaker 1: premium for that. Like you, like, you got more receivers
Speaker 1: than you know what to do with. I think there
Speaker 1: have to be some kind of agreement going on here
Speaker 1: or something like that. I would like to think you
Speaker 1: could get it. I want to do that. I like, statistically,
Speaker 1: I believe like Gallup is one of, if not the
Speaker 1: best receiver from a production standpoint, from his draft class,
Speaker 1: one of Yeah, and so I'd keep in him. I'd
Speaker 1: like to think you could get a third for him.
Speaker 1: But it's hard to predict that type of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I would rather keep him unless you wind
Speaker 1: up with one of these guys on your team and
Speaker 1: then or or you know, it's Will. It's Will's job
Speaker 1: to you know, have his eye on you know, he's
Speaker 1: the executive vice president of player Personnel. A big part
Speaker 1: of his job is knowing other teams rosters. And so
Speaker 1: maybe you could trade Michael for a similar defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: I know, like Dalvin Tomlinson just signed a new contract.
Speaker 1: But a guy like that, like a talented defensive tackle
Speaker 1: who needs a new contract, who's a obvious upgrade over
Speaker 1: what you have here. Look at guys in contract years, Yeah,
Speaker 1: both on other teams and on this team. Gallops a
Speaker 1: contract year, Connor Williams is in a contract here, Um,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz. Those are the those are the guys that
Speaker 1: are easiest to trade because they don't have a lot
Speaker 1: of money. You know that with the cap hit wouldn't
Speaker 1: be that much at all for the for the team
Speaker 1: that would taking him or or letting them go. So
Speaker 1: and we I mean, it's easy for me to say, oh,
Speaker 1: that stuff never happens, but like you know, they did
Speaker 1: trade Ryan Switzer for Jihad Ward on Draft Day a
Speaker 1: few years ago. They got Tavon and a draft trade,
Speaker 1: so it does happen. Does happen? But I lean towards
Speaker 1: thinking it's more unlikely than that. Is it unlikely for
Speaker 1: any other players like you mentioned Connor Williams. I mean
Speaker 1: there's also I mean Dalton Schultz. But but Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: but be an interesting piece of trade bait for you know,
Speaker 1: any of those guys could be interesting. But is it
Speaker 1: something realistic for that the cowboy that you could see
Speaker 1: the cow was actually doing with any of these guys realistic? Yes? Likely, No,
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of my answer. Across the board, it happens,
Speaker 1: it all those would be because those players, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're saying that Gallup would probably give you a third,
Speaker 1: then you if you were to trade Dalton Schultz on
Speaker 1: Draft Day or Connor Williams. I mean we're talking about
Speaker 1: day three pick here, right, probably fifth or it maybe
Speaker 1: a player of a compar break and so at that point,
Speaker 1: you only do those things. If something happened in the
Speaker 1: draft that right change, like get a guard in the
Speaker 1: second round. I'm only trying to move Gallop. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: only trying to move Gallop. If I draft Pits or Waddle,
Speaker 1: I would only be interested in moving a guy like
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. If I wound up with Rashaan Slater. It's like,
Speaker 1: these aren't things that I'm seeking to do. These are
Speaker 1: things that because I might, you know, my draft class
Speaker 1: might change how I feel great as the future is
Speaker 1: this team. This team showed you in free agency that
Speaker 1: a lot of one year deals. I mean they're trying
Speaker 1: to They're trying to win now as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, hoping that these guys sticking to baby keep
Speaker 1: them down the road, but I mean that they are
Speaker 1: trying to win right now and for this year as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that going back to the first segment, I you know,
Speaker 1: they covered themselves as well as they are willing to do.
Speaker 1: But it just it doesn't and shouldn't change their philosophy
Speaker 1: in the draft for basically any position. And I know
Speaker 1: we talk about a lot about all the needs that
Speaker 1: they currently have on defense, and mostly that would be
Speaker 1: hopefully addressed through the draft. But when from the first round,
Speaker 1: second round, those later draft picks are there still like
Speaker 1: good talent there defense, what would be like the like
Speaker 1: the best kind of position that the Cowboys could be
Speaker 1: looking at in later rounds. Let me just throw this
Speaker 1: part in. And I don't know if I've said this before,
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in doing a lot of trade ups
Speaker 1: unless you've already traded down a lot. I think this
Speaker 1: team has ten draft picks, and I think they need
Speaker 1: ten players. At least. They need to throw ten things
Speaker 1: up on the wall and hope six or seven of
Speaker 1: them stick. You need that sixth round pick. He might
Speaker 1: be Rico Gathers that might not play for you. He
Speaker 1: might be Anthony Brown who you resigned, and as as
Speaker 1: a quality player, you need those guys. This team needs
Speaker 1: so much help and so much depth that I'm I'm
Speaker 1: trying to I'm using those so to answer your question
Speaker 1: about position, you know, there's hall of famers at every position.
Speaker 1: In the sixth and seventh round, at some point in there,
Speaker 1: you know, at somebody, do you hit on one who knows?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's and I think it just depends.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can talk trash about him all you want,
Speaker 1: but they trade it up for Xavier Woods because they
Speaker 1: felt strongly about him. And you know, for a guy
Speaker 1: he was drafted mid late sixth round and they got
Speaker 1: four years of starts out of him, Like that's a wine.
Speaker 1: That's a good pick. Even though last season was bad
Speaker 1: for him, and I don't think very many people were
Speaker 1: sad to see him go. That's a good draft pick.
Speaker 1: They traded up for Tyler Bottish last year as well,
Speaker 1: So it just depends who's sitting there. I always tell
Speaker 1: people this is just my opinion. But like I said,
Speaker 1: the top one hundred is where I stop really thinking
Speaker 1: that this guy is going to contribute. And again, he
Speaker 1: could grow into a Hall of Famer. He could be
Speaker 1: an Anthony Brown who or or an Xavier Woods. But
Speaker 1: Bradley and I is the perfect example. He falls to
Speaker 1: the fifth. Everybody's Senior Bowl MVP, this great player and
Speaker 1: he still could be. But everybody like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we got Bradley and I and he played six defensive snaps.
Speaker 1: That's something. Sure you can say something. Okay, for the
Speaker 1: last year and a half, every time you say top
Speaker 1: one hundred, I'm not trying to be rude about it.
Speaker 1: I always think of Jazz Green. I mean it's just
Speaker 1: one example, but it's like, every time you say one hundred,
Speaker 1: I think of Jazz Green because he stuck in there
Speaker 1: at like ninety eight or whatever. I know, Michael Gallup
Speaker 1: was pick eighty one, I get it, and Dak was whatever.
Speaker 1: Dak was pick one thirty five. You work out with everyone,
Speaker 1: you just throw it out every number. Like I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: that's pretty awesome. H I always say should if you draft,
Speaker 1: if you do your job the right way and draft
Speaker 1: the right player, a top one hundred pick should be
Speaker 1: able to contribute. It's not an exact time you say it.
Speaker 1: I can't get that out of my head. Like I
Speaker 1: just think maybe I'm always like being like contrary, like,
Speaker 1: oh that's fair, but I just people, you know, I
Speaker 1: think the draft changes on Day three. That's when you're
Speaker 1: basically just cash in lottery tickets and hoping for the
Speaker 1: best bodies, yeah, and adding guys that can compete, maybe
Speaker 1: grab a roster spot, and you hope for the best.
Speaker 1: And that's why, literally, like I'm sitting here thinking, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: in the first in the first three rounds, they need
Speaker 1: to find a cornerback, they need to find uh some
Speaker 1: offensive line depth, they need probably need a linebacker who
Speaker 1: could potentially start right away. But then by day three,
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, draft a quarterback. If the right guys there,
Speaker 1: if a running back that just absolutely shouldn't still be
Speaker 1: there in the fifth round is there, draft them, draft
Speaker 1: a defensive I don't care like and they have six
Speaker 1: picks on day three, do whatever the hell you want
Speaker 1: with them, honestly, because you're just hoping for the best
Speaker 1: at that point. Anyway, all right, well they are going
Speaker 1: to do whatever they want. They are they always do.
Speaker 1: They always do, not just on day three. They are
Speaker 1: gonna do whatever they're doing. Who they is true? All right,
Speaker 1: Well that's it for today. We ran out of time
Speaker 1: and Derek never showed up. But that's okay. You guys
Speaker 1: did a great job. I think the YouTube had a
Speaker 1: pretty good conversation here. Today. We got we went into
Speaker 1: the weeds with the Jerseys, but we pulled it back.
Speaker 1: We got back on the road. No, it was great
Speaker 1: last night. It was a seriously Nick called me to
Speaker 1: like breathe. It was like one of it was supposed
Speaker 1: to be like a ninety second work conversation, and we'd
Speaker 1: wound up ranting to each other about jersey numbers for
Speaker 1: like a half hour. It's funny because you got you
Speaker 1: guys say it's kind of stupid. It's not even done yet,
Speaker 1: but yet you're still nothing. Love it. I mean, tell
Speaker 1: them that story about LSU, that the patch, that's funny.
Speaker 1: The most clicked on story that I ever wrote in
Speaker 1: college when I was a student journalist was just some
Speaker 1: bs that I threw together, like LSU decided that they
Speaker 1: were going to stitch the letters LSU onto the collar
Speaker 1: of the jersey, like the most stupid, minuscule change. It
Speaker 1: blew up. It got like so many clicks. People were
Speaker 1: arguing in the comments about it for like weeks. It was.
Speaker 1: And the other one other most clicked on story I
Speaker 1: ever wrote was just a throwaway blog post that Terrell
Speaker 1: Pryor was going to visit. He was going to go
Speaker 1: on a visit to LSU. He was like the number
Speaker 1: one prospect in the country at the time, and just
Speaker 1: the thought that he would even visit campus, you know,
Speaker 1: but then you know the story that I've spent like
Speaker 1: four months reporting on, Oh, nobody right next, next week
Speaker 1: or whatever, And it's not I'm not saying this has happened.
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out a free agent. We'd have two
Speaker 1: headlines in a row. Cowboys signed veteran linebacker kJ Wright.
Speaker 1: Cowboys change pants to lighter shade of green. Oh. I
Speaker 1: mean like telling you that would be the only thing
Speaker 1: which I can't talk trash because I've been I say,
Speaker 1: I don't care, and I've had like five different arguments
Speaker 1: about the jersey numbers in the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: LSU ever changed their goal post back to a regular
Speaker 1: goal post and knockout, he wouldn't change anything about the game.
Speaker 1: I would be so mad, all right, guys, Well, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us today. For Nickiman, David Hellman,
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