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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind a

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Speaker 2: listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb.

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Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick, and today we're going to

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Speaker 3: be reading back some messages that came into the Stuff

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Speaker 3: to Blow Your Mind email address. If you have never

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Speaker 3: gotten in touch before, this is a great time to

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Speaker 3: try it. You can email us at contact at Stuff

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Speaker 3: to Blow your Mind dot com. Whatever kind of message

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Speaker 3: you want to send is fair game. We always appreciate

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Speaker 3: if you have something interesting to add to a topic

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Speaker 3: we've talked about on the show. If you want to

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Speaker 3: suggest something you would like us to talk about in

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Speaker 3: the future, if you want to suggest a movie for

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Speaker 3: Weird House Cinema, general feedback of course, factual corrections if

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Speaker 3: that ever comes up. Whatever you want, it's all fair game.

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Speaker 3: Contact at Stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. Rob

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Speaker 3: you just got in off the road, anything anything to

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Speaker 3: report from wherever you went?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, the family and I just traveled to

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Speaker 2: Denver and back. So first time in Denver. Got to

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Speaker 2: experience some of the great outdoors there, some of the

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Speaker 2: offerings in the city itself, you know, went to miow Wolf,

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Speaker 2: went to their excellent art museum, went to the excellent

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Speaker 2: science museum. Actually got several really good ideas for the

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Speaker 2: show from their science museum. So stay tuned for the

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Speaker 2: future on that one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you want to kick things off with some

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Speaker 3: of these messages in response to the Star Wars.

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Speaker 2: Series, Let's do it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay. This first message is from Kenna. It's in response

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Speaker 3: to our discussion from Star Wars Week about the planet Hawth. Now,

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Speaker 3: in that episode, we did an extended segment, among other things,

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Speaker 3: about the infamous ton Toon sleeping bag scene from the

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Speaker 3: Empire Strikes Back. So in this scene, Han Solo cuts

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Speaker 3: open the body of this animal called a ton Toon

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Speaker 3: in the movie. It's a fictional creature in the Star

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Speaker 3: Wars universe. It looks kind of like a part goat,

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Speaker 3: part theropod dinosaur, and he cuts it open in the

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Speaker 3: And in the episode we talked about whether this would

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Speaker 3: work in reality and about some real life cases of

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Speaker 3: people crawling inside dead animals to try and survive. The cold,

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Speaker 3: it has been done. This first message is from Kenna.

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Speaker 3: Subject horses are wet. Kenna says, Hi, Robert, Joe and

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Speaker 3: JJ love the show and have unusual life experience to

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Speaker 3: share with you. It may, however, be too gross, so

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Speaker 3: apologies in advance to whoever's turn it is to skim

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Speaker 3: the mailbag. Yeah, so warning folks has some animal gutting

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Speaker 3: details to follow. If you can't stand that, maybe skip

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Speaker 2: All right, the folks who couldn't handle it have left

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Speaker 2: the room. Continue.

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Speaker 3: I am a veterinary pathologist's assistant, meaning that dead cows

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Speaker 3: and horses are my job. I think I know why

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Speaker 3: the hapless hunters in Idaho could not fully hide within

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Speaker 3: one of the real life cases of hiding inside an animal.

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Speaker 3: We talked about the couple of hunters who got lost

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Speaker 3: They got soaking wet, so they survived by killing their horses,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and horses are huge animals, obviously, and especially when

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Speaker 3: But no, it couldn't even get the whole one regular

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Speaker 3: sounds unpleasant in multiple ways. But anyway, so now Kenna

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Speaker 3: Finally, Kenna says, I recommend a shovel to make a long,

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Speaker 3: gross story very short. If you must be ton toon wrapped,

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Speaker 2: All right, well, this is again, as I said before,

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Speaker 2: this is exactly the sort of real world field reportings

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean most of what we talk about on

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Speaker 3: reading about it. So anybody who has life experience that

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Speaker 3: we've talked about, we love to get that kind of feedback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we're returning to a subject that we've

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Speaker 2: as well, I believe. But on one hand, it seems

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Speaker 2: this leads me back to something else that I've mentioned before,

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Speaker 2: and that is that episode of The X Files where

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Speaker 2: there's an invisible elephant. If memory serves, there is a

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't remember. I did see that episode

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had episode that's the worst of the X

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Speaker 3: I think it's not just an elephant if I remember right,

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Speaker 2: So it was just like, when can I catch it

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Speaker 2: three episodes. I remember seeing episode about the dude in

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Speaker 3: then I don't know who the dude in the toilet is.

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Speaker 3: Flukeman and I think Tombs two different creatures who both

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Speaker 2: Up through the toilet. Okay, yeah, but then.

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Speaker 3: There's Flukeman is the more direct toilet monster.

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Speaker 2: Places, including toilet. Yeah, but there's no toilet in the

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I need to go. File says it's there's

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Daniel. Yeah, this came up because

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Speaker 2: he wrote some pretty great tales and dabbled in some

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Speaker 2: sci fi. I don't know that I've ever read any

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Speaker 2: Bill says Robin Joe. Thanks, as always for the continuing

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Speaker 2: education on all things. I dwell in multiple deserts in

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Speaker 2: The comparison grains of sand on Earth. Researchers estimate these

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Speaker 3: calculate exactly the real number of possible Rubic's cube states,

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Speaker 3: whereas we have to guess at the number of grains

435
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Speaker 3: of sand. We can only make sure informed estimate that's true.

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Speaker 2: That's true, all right, And then there's a little bit

437
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Speaker 2: tacked on the end here. Ps. It is far too depraved, grotesque,

438
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: and ultimately eighties to recommend the following flick for the

439
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Speaker 2: general public. But Street Trash is a unique film from

440
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven that may entertain one or both of

441
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Speaker 2: you I can't believe it has kept me laughing for

442
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Speaker 2: nearly forty years.

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Speaker 3: Bill oh Bill, Street Trash has come up on the

444
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Speaker 3: show before. We've talked some Street Trash folks. I don't

445
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Speaker 3: want you to take this as a general recommendation to

446
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Speaker 3: go watch Street Trash. It is not for many people,

447
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Speaker 3: probably not for most. It is one of the weirdest,

448
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: most extreme melt movies out there. But yeah, yeah, we've

449
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Speaker 3: seen Street Trash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's been a number of years for me.

451
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Speaker 2: But I greatly enjoyed Street Trash in the past, certainly

452
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Speaker 2: the last time I saw it, and it was a

453
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Speaker 2: film that I specifically remember being introduced to via a

454
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Speaker 2: very short lived series on Comedy Central. Back this would

455
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Speaker 2: have been I looked it up. This would have been

456
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Speaker 2: like ninety three or ninety four. It was called drive

457
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Speaker 2: in Reviews, based I believe out of Chicago, and there

458
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Speaker 2: were two hosts. It was Buzz Killman and Tony Fitzpatrick,

459
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Speaker 2: and they had kind of like a Ciskel and Ebert

460
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Speaker 2: set up, but they only talked about you know, gross

461
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Speaker 2: and you know, quote tasteless films, and they talked about

462
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Speaker 2: the quality kills. If you ever hear me say Quality

463
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Speaker 2: Kill on Weird House Cinema. That is a little homage

464
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Speaker 2: of mine to this show, because this is where I learned.

465
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Speaker 2: You know, I probably i'd seen a number of these

466
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Speaker 2: these movies on the video shelves at this point in

467
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Speaker 2: my life, but they were still introducing me to the

468
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Speaker 2: ones i'd never heard of. Like I think The Beyond

469
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Speaker 2: is a film that I saw profiled here for the

470
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Speaker 2: first time.

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Speaker 3: Oh the Fulcy movie.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I'm sorry, not no, from Beyond Beyond. Yeah, yes, okay, yeah,

473
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Speaker 2: so yeah, they profiled a lot of like sci fi,

474
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Speaker 2: horror films, anything that had a certain amount of gore

475
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Speaker 2: or nastiness to it. I don't again, I don't think

476
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Speaker 2: it lasted very long, but it was introduced at a

477
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Speaker 2: time when I was watching any and everything that was

478
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Speaker 2: on Comedy Central.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I never saw this one. I just found out

480
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Speaker 3: now where quality Kill comes from. I felt like you

481
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Speaker 3: were quoting something but I'd never asked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, these two. I believe Fitzpatrick, I believe he

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Speaker 2: passed in recent years, but Buzz Buzz Kilman is still around.

484
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Speaker 2: I think he's like a Chicago radio guy. So yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: look it up. You can probably find these episodes on

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Speaker 2: YouTube or something.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we got another response to our episode on sand.

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Speaker 3: This is from Tyrone. Tyrone says, maybe God is telling

489
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Speaker 3: me to listen to more podcasts. I never listened to podcasts.

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Speaker 3: I saw your podcast on Netflix yesterday May thirteenth, twenty

491
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 3: twenty six, and clicked play because the name of your

492
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: podcast was the perfect bait. We baited you.

493
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Connell did it again with that one.

494
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Speaker 3: For the first ten minutes, I could not believe I

495
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Speaker 3: was listening to a discussion about sand and had not

496
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: left the show. When that episode on sand ended, I

497
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Speaker 3: had learned a few amazing things, indeed about the strength

498
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Speaker 3: of sand. Fast forward to today, May fourteenth, twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: One day later, for no reason at all, I stopped

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Speaker 3: by an area library I never visited before, and in

501
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Speaker 3: their books for Sale section, I saw a Grain of

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Speaker 3: Sand by doctor Gary Greenberg, and all I can say

503
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: is it will blow your mind. The data and vivid

504
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: photos are jaw dropping. Best one dollar I have ever spent.

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Speaker 3: After reading it, you may be tempted to do a

506
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Speaker 3: Sand part two podcast. Good podcast eight out of ten

507
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Speaker 3: Good Day series. All right, Well, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I did look up this book after your recommendation. So

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Speaker 3: Gary Greenberg, he's got a website you can read about him.

510
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 3: He is originally a PhD biologist who it seems many

511
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Speaker 3: decades ago sort of switched to specializing in microscopy and microphotography.

512
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Speaker 3: So he has a lot of I think, like public

513
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: work and books and art and stuff that is just

514
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: like really close up photos of extremely tiny things, and

515
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: he does like three D light microscopy. So according to

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Speaker 3: his author bio, I thought this detail was good.

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Speaker 2: Quote.

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Speaker 3: His striking images of human pancreatic cancer cells were repurposed

519
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Speaker 3: as the surface of Krypton in the first Superman movie

520
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy eight movie. I couldn't find a shot

521
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Speaker 3: of what this was, so I'm gonna have to go

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Speaker 3: back and watch that movie and figure out what special

523
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Speaker 3: effects shot this is. But you may actually have seen before,

524
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Speaker 3: Like I looked at some of the pictures of grains

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Speaker 3: of sand that I think come from this book that

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Speaker 3: Tyrone recommended again that's called a Grain of Sand by

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Speaker 3: Gary Greenberg, and these pictures looked really familiar to me.

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Speaker 3: I feel like maybe I've seen these images on the

529
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Speaker 3: internet before, but they are extreme close ups of grains

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Speaker 3: of sand. And when you zoom in and see obviously

531
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Speaker 3: sand in different parts of the worldferent places has different constituents,

532
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Speaker 3: you know, different types of little fragments of of you know,

533
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Speaker 3: minerals make it up. But the in some sands you

534
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Speaker 3: get very interesting little bits of you know, organic remnants,

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Speaker 3: little shells and hard parts of creatures in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And that's what we've got a lot of in these

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Speaker 3: close ups here. It looks when zoomed in like this,

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Speaker 3: it looks a lot more like a handful of candies

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Speaker 3: than it does sand.

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Speaker 2: It really does. Yeah, there are a few in particular

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Speaker 2: that looks like the sort of hard candies that you know,

543
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Speaker 2: your great aunt or uncle might have had in a

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Speaker 2: it congealed together in a jar in their dining room.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I had a jar like that in my family,

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Speaker 3: not my house, an extended family house. I remember, the

547
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Speaker 3: hard candy jar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely looks like that.

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00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: Mostly to be looked at though. Yeah, but anyway, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: thanks again, Tyrone.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's see what else we have here. This

552
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Speaker 2: next one, Yeah, this one comes from Taylor. This one

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Speaker 2: has to do with fulgarites. Examples of fulgarites in fantasy media.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and we talked about this in the sand episode,

555
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Speaker 3: because fulgarite is when it's this natural formation you get

556
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: when lightning hits sand and instantly melts it, forming this

557
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Speaker 3: hollow glass tube that will usually be smooth on the

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Speaker 3: inside and rough on the outside.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, this is this you as we were discussing

560
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Speaker 2: in the podcast, it's like, you know, this is a

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Speaker 2: great this is great fodder for science fiction or fantasy,

562
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: you know, be it. You know the results of wizard

563
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Speaker 2: battles or Dragon's Breath, and we encourage everyone to write

564
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Speaker 2: in if you had an example. So that's what this is,

565
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: answering your request for examples of fulgarites in fantasy media.

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Speaker 2: I draw your attention to Monster Hunter. Wild's one of

567
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Speaker 2: the most recent installments in the popular Monster Hunter RPG series.

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Speaker 2: The series has a heavy focus on ecology and the

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Speaker 2: relationships of its settings peoples with huge monstrous fun. Joe,

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Speaker 2: have you played these games?

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Speaker 3: No, I know nothing about them.

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00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: I have seen, you know, the little thumbnails for them,

573
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: and I believe our former co host, Christian play that

574
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: played this and was a fan. I remember him talking

575
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: it up and we may have some friends in common

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00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: that we're also really into it, but I never I

577
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: have not myself played it, but here it's great.

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Speaker 3: Just based on the description, I'm picturing some somewhere between

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Speaker 3: the Witcher and Pokemon.

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Speaker 2: I guess that sounds about right. Yeah, my understanding. It

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Speaker 2: is kind of like an action RPG, right, so it's

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Speaker 2: not like turn based. You're out there in the wilds.

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Speaker 2: Folks can write in if they have further details they

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Speaker 2: want to share about the games, but this email continues.

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Speaker 2: Fulger Rites play an important role in the first region

586
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Speaker 2: the player explores in Monster Hunter Wilds, the Windward Planes.

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Speaker 2: This desert ecosystem is marked by massive folg right structures,

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Speaker 2: created both by the severe thunderstorm thunderstorms endemic to the

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Speaker 2: and by massive lightning channeling wyns. The region's apex predator,

590
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Speaker 2: a wyvern species called red aalh, presumably coats the leading

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00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: edges of its wings in sand and electrifies them to

592
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: turn its wing edges into shimmering blades of glass. WHOA,

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00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: all right, so this is not only fulgarites, but like

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Speaker 2: fulgarite tool use by magical beingslg.

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Speaker 3: Fulgarite wing armor blades like swords and armor at the

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Speaker 3: same time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they really ran with it. I didn't even

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Speaker 2: anticipate like this. This kind of invocation of Fulgrides redw

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Speaker 2: is often preceded by the tinkling sound of the wind

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Speaker 2: rustling the fulgarite on its scales when it's prey. Here,

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Speaker 2: the sound they attempt to flee. The indigenous human population

602
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: of the Windward Planes have learned to exploit this signal

603
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: by collecting shed crystals of fulgarite from ray Now and

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Speaker 2: stringing them into wind chimes. The tinkling wind chimes ward

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Speaker 2: other monsters away from their sheltered settlements in the region's canyons.

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Speaker 2: Hope this is the sort of thing you were looking for.

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00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: The Monster Hunter franchise is really great and incorporating interesting

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Speaker 2: bits of natural science into their creature designs and fantasy storytelling.

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00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: I've attached some pictures of ray Dow, the Windward Planes

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00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: fulgar Rides, which are so large the player traverses them

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Speaker 2: in three dimensional labyrinths, and the Windward Planes village adorned

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Speaker 2: with fulgar Ride windshimes. As ever, thank you for producing

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Speaker 2: there's wonderful, thoughtful pieces and turning me on to so

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Speaker 2: many great weird films.

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Speaker 3: All the best, Taylor, Thank you, Taylor. So I'm looking

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Speaker 3: at these screenshots now I see something that looks kind

617
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Speaker 3: of like a like a you know, gore On village

618
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 3: sort of design, with the rocks and the glass pieces

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Speaker 3: hanging from the ropes. I guess that's the fulgarites collected

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Speaker 3: by the people in this game universe. And then we

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Speaker 3: see the branching things that I initially thought were roots,

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Speaker 3: but okay, yeah, these are like giant fulgarites that the

623
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Speaker 3: character wanders through. And then there's a big old monster

624
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: that yes has dragon wing, and then at the edges

625
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: of the wings there are these massive shards of glass

626
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Speaker 3: that I guess the creature has made with some electricity.

627
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, cool monster design. And I can already tell

628
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: this guy's got to be pretty frustrating to battle, though.

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Speaker 2: I guess they said they said it's the first zone

630
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Speaker 2: that you encounter, so maybe not that difficult. But sometimes

631
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Speaker 2: the first level boss can be pretty challenging.

632
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Speaker 3: I yeah, I think that often happens, doesn't it Like

633
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: sometimes the first boss in the game is harder than

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Speaker 3: all the others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel and often is the case that the

636
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Speaker 2: final boss is kind of a letdown. There have been

637
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: plenty of games I've played where I get to the

638
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: end it's like, oh, that's the boss, or oh, there's

639
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 2: not really a boss, just kind of fighting a an

640
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Speaker 2: array of enemies you encountered earlier.

641
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: This doesn't really count because pretty much the whole thing's

642
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: hard all the way through. But I remember when I

643
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: tried to play Elden Ring before I realized like I

644
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: don't have time for this game. I tried to do it,

645
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: and you just sort of come out into the world

646
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: and then like the first thing you run into is

647
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Speaker 3: something that you absolutely cannot but you just have to

648
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Speaker 3: go around it. It will destroy you. This big golden

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Speaker 3: guy on a horse who just beats you down or

650
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe if people who are good at

651
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: video games can beat it, but but I felt like

652
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: it's almost trying to teach you something there, like you know,

653
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: you just have to run away from some things at

654
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: least at whatever level you are. Okay, you good if

655
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 3: I do this message from David about the thing before

656
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: the beginning.

657
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Tying into another multi part series that we've

658
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: we've been airing in recent weeks.

659
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: Right, So, this was a series about creation narratives, and

660
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 3: specifically about in creation narratives, what is described as the

661
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: way things are before the world is created or ordered.

662
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: And that's a kind of surprise to some people because

663
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: sometimes people think that creation narratives tend to be about

664
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: the initial making of the universe out of nothing. Most

665
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: of the creation narratives that you can find are not

666
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: like that. They're actually like orderings and furnishings of pre

667
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: existing universes. So this comes from David. David says dear

668
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: Robin Joe. I was listening to your episode on Things

669
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 3: before the Beginning. I had heard before your episode about

670
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: the better translation of the start of the Book of

671
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: Genesis as quote, God began separating. Yeah, so this is

672
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: one of the things we talked about in the episode.

673
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 3: The creation narrative in the Book of Genesis is often

674
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: misunderstood as a creation ex nihilo, a creation of the

675
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: world out of nothing, but most translators now agree that

676
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 3: the better way of understanding what the story is trying

677
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: to say is that a sort of dark, chaotic world

678
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 3: of waters already existed at the beginning of the story,

679
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: and then God begins to separate things and bring things

680
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: into that world, brings in light brings in creatures and

681
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 3: separates the waters and the earth and stuff like that.

682
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: David goes on to say, but your discussion of the

683
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Speaker 3: translation reminded me of an encounter I had back when

684
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 3: I was in college. I don't remember how it started, hmm,

685
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: self referential problem, but while I was walking back from

686
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 3: a class, I entered into a conversation with a guy

687
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: who was clearly a young missionary. Oh yeah, Rob, do

688
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 3: you ever have college campus encounters with some preachers who

689
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: like to hang out on campus?

690
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, I imagine I did, but I don't have

691
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: very clear memories of them, but yeah, they were around.

692
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. I feel like it's a common experience of students

693
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: walking up to a preacher at their college campus who's

694
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: yelling things at the students and thinking like, well, I

695
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: can argue this guy out of whatever he's saying, And

696
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: then when you start talking to him, you realize like, oh,

697
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: this guy is really used to talking to people like

698
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 3: me all day, and I've never had a conversation like

699
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: this before. So you just end up kind of feeling

700
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: embarrassed and walking away. Anyway, So David says he was

701
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: upfront about wanting to talk about God, and I was

702
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: interested enough to engage. After a couple of questions about

703
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: what I was studying in my religious background, he asked

704
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: if I agreed that everything in the universe has a cause.

705
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: Having recently taken an intro to philosophy class, I immediately

706
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: recognized the start of the first cause argument. I think

707
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 3: it originates from Aristotle and was developed into a more

708
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 3: formal argument by Thomas Aquinas. I'm probably going to mangle this,

709
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 3: but for listeners who are unaware, the first cause argument

710
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: is basically that since everything has a cause, the universe

711
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: itself must have a cause, but the cause for the

712
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: universe could not have a cause, and thus must be

713
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: uncaused and eternal, and an uncaused and eternal thing is God.

714
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: If I make the argument sound wea I will admit

715
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: that it was more but not very convincing when I

716
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: read it originally in class, but I now believe it

717
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: is significantly gibberish. But back to the story. The missionary

718
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: asked if I agreed that everything in the universe had

719
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: a cause, and I said no. He looked completely shocked

720
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 3: after ten or fifteen seconds of processing that I had

721
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: already gone off script from his expected argument. He asked

722
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: me how that was possible. I explained that I was

723
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 3: studying physics and at the quantum level, things just happen randomly.

724
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: There isn't a cause for a particular atom of uranium

725
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: to decay into byproducts. There's just a percentage chance that

726
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: it does. And moreover, some physics data is best explained

727
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 3: by assuming that particles and antiparticles are appearing and self

728
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: annihilating all the time, So the Big Bang might have

729
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 3: been caused by some large, random quantum fluctuation. He said

730
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: he'd have to look into that, and that was it

731
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: for him. Conversation attempt tying all the way back to

732
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: the episode. First, I think your discussion makes me suspect

733
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: that the cause of the first cause argument is the

734
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 3: improper translation in the beginning God created. If I had

735
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 3: known then the translation of God began by separating, I

736
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: probably would have asked the missionary about that issue as well.

737
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: And Second, while your discussion focused on mythology, even talking

738
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: about current cosmology, it is still possible that there was

739
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 3: something prior to the Big Bang, even if we don't

740
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 3: know that. Interested in your reactions and comments, and as always,

741
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: thank you for the great podcast. Regards. David, PS, You've

742
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: done a couple of Weird House episodes on movies from

743
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: the sixties, so I will repeat my request for Zardas.

744
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: I'll know Zardas is a nineteen seventy four picture, but

745
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that in many ways

746
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: it is a product of the sixties. I mean, you

747
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: can the thirteen sixties, you can make that argument. But

748
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: in terms of the general request for Czar Does, we

749
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: probably should just go ahead to Tsardes. At some point

750
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: here in the past we've kind of I remember, kind

751
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: of quibbling at one point over like, I don't know

752
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: about the content ratings on Tzar Does, but I don't

753
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: know who cares. We should just do Tzar Does.

754
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean Connery and the Red diaper with the long

755
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: braid and the unbelievable it's iconic.

756
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I see referenced all the time. We should

757
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: just dig in.

758
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, these are all good points, David. I agree

759
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: that I, you know, don't want to be disrespectful to

760
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 3: anybody's beliefs. But I find the first cause argument very unconvincing.

761
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: I think it relies on equivocation. It relies on equivocation

762
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: about what it means for something to have a cause.

763
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: And then on top of that, I think you can

764
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: also bring up the idea that some things we observe

765
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: in reality probably don't have a cause, depending on how

766
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: you define what a cause is. So, yeah, I think

767
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 3: there are a lot of problems with that argument. And

768
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: then beyond that, Yeah, I think you raised it. We

769
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: sort of talked about this in the episode, but I'm

770
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: glad you explored this in more depth. The idea that

771
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: many people are out there formulating, like logical and evidence

772
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: based apologetics arguments for a particular religion based on what

773
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: is probably a misunderstanding of what is what that religion's

774
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: creation story is attempting to say. So that's another kind

775
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: of contradiction there like that. I don't know how it

776
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 3: would affect it. Would the missionary who makes the first

777
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: cause argument for Christianity stop making the first cause argument

778
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: if they were convinced that actually the genesis narrative does

779
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: not say that the universe was created out of nothing.

780
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 3: I don't know.

781
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all I know is that again, I don't have

782
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: any specific memories of encountering preacher folk or anything on

783
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: college campuses, but just the idea of getting into some

784
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: sort of a a bad faith of philosophical theological discussion

785
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 2: of the stranger. Not my comfort zone. I just want

786
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,959
Speaker 2: no part. I don't want to be wrong, I don't

787
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: want to be right. I just don't want that conversation.

788
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 2: These are of course, I love these topics, but that's

789
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: just not the sort of environment where I want to

790
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: engage with anybody about them.

791
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, if you talk to somebody who's

792
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: out making arguments like that in a public space, you know,

793
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to impugne everybody's motives, but I'd say

794
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: the chances are low that they are ready to have

795
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: a mutually respectful listening and sharing of ideas. They are performing,

796
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: they're they're trying to like prove something to onlookers by,

797
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: you know, they're being rhetorical. They're probably not trying to

798
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: have a meeting of the minds and see if you

799
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: make any good points.

800
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, why to dine me first a

801
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: little bit? You know? Yeah, all right, I'm going to

802
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 2: skip on through the mailbag here to something we receive

803
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: from Claire and Sean. We received this just the other day,

804
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: and recording this on June first. They say Hello, stuff

805
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: to blow your mind. I was wondering if you plan

806
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: to do a little late celebration of the new Boards

807
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: of Canada release in the form of a Weird House

808
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: Cinema episode. They are referring to the new album from

809
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: Boards of Canada Inferno, which just came out the other day,

810
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: and I actually just sat and listened to several times

811
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: through on a flight back from Denver. So I'm very

812
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: freshly immersed in the album and I'm still sort of

813
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: working my way through it.

814
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: But Roddy, sorry, do you know Claara and Sean, Like,

815
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: how do they know you so well that this is

816
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: up your alley?

817
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: I me, you know, we've mentioned Boards of Canada on

818
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: the show before, so I think it's just it's just

819
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: come up if they you know, they they know me

820
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: at all from the podcast. They know that I'm a

821
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: big Boards of Canada fan, but they so they included

822
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: a quote here. This is, I believe taking taken off

823
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: of one of the Boards of Canada fan pages, but

824
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: it refers to a nineteen ninety nine interview with herb

825
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: magazine RB in which the two individuals who make up

826
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: Boards of Canada, Michael Sanderson and Marcus Owen. They each

827
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 2: gave a top ten list of films, and it says

828
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 2: that the majority of them have been identified. Some such

829
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: as Ice Core Drilling, remain unknown and have been indicated

830
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 2: as such. These are neat lists to look at because

831
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: they are a mix of very mainstream films and things

832
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 2: that are either so obscure that we don't know exactly

833
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: what they're referring to, but it's neat. Sanderson's list has

834
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 2: let's see a few that stand out here. Dark Star

835
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: John Carpenter's film is on the list. The Elephant Man

836
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: makes the list. Those are both fascinating picks. And then

837
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: as far as Marcus Owen's top ten includes let's see

838
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: the Invention of Destruction, which I believe refers to the

839
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 2: Invention for Destruction which we have discussed on Weird House Cinema.

840
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: It includes Alice, which I you know, I believe must

841
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: be the the John Smickmeyer Alice that has also been

842
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: covered on Weird House Cinema, but then also The Andromeda String,

843
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, Superstar, Capricorn I, and The Wizard of Oz.

844
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: Invention for Destruction is definitely one of my favorite movies

845
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: we've done on weird house, and I can see why.

846
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 3: I don't know that much about the Boards of Canada creators,

847
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: but it fits with the sound of their music for me.

848
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, there's I think overall less known

849
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: about them compared to a lot of other musicians. They're

850
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: not I mean, they're not going to say they're completely secretive,

851
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 2: like there are things that are known about them. But

852
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: you know, the vibe I generally get when I read

853
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: about Boards of Canada is that they prefer to be

854
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: a little a little further back and then the material,

855
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: the music is in the forefront. And yeah, I'm I'm

856
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: I'm really enjoying Inferno so far. It's delivering on all

857
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: my expectations for a new Boards of Canada album, which

858
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: itself I think is a major deal. The last one

859
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: was twenty thirteen's Tomorrow's Harvest, and in many ways, like

860
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 2: that one, I was for a long time I assumed

861
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: that was the last Boards of Canada album. I you know,

862
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of information out there that was

863
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: that that indicated that there was going to be another one.

864
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: And it also kind of feels like it came out

865
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: a lifetime ago because it came out right before a

866
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 2: major transition in my life, right before I became a parent,

867
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: and so a decade later, you know, obviously a lot

868
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: has changed. And and then here comes this new Boards

869
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: of Canada album with some I mean people saw it coming.

870
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: It was, it was predicted, but but I but it

871
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: wasn't until the album art was released, and then I

872
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: really like, oh, this is actually happening. There's actually going

873
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: to be another Boards of Canada album. And so again

874
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 2: it has it has met my expectation, but it's also

875
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: in unexpected ways. It has also really impressed me. So

876
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to overhype it, but I feel like

877
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: Tomorrow's Harvest was easily the greatest album of its decade,

878
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: and I think Inferno shows all the signs of being

879
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 2: the best of its own, of our own dark age, heure, yeah,

880
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 2: And it's it's an album that feels, you know it,

881
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: It's not a album that feels exclusively of its time.

882
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this the other day, Like Tomorrow's

883
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 2: Harvest and really all the other Boards of Canada albums

884
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: as well, to me, they feel like a message arriving

885
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: from outside of our own time, you know. And part

886
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: of that is obviously the sonic alchemy that they weave

887
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: with the nostalgic sounds and different bits of media that

888
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: are woven together in this you know, electronic matrix.

889
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 3: But it sounds like a polaroid photo.

890
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so it does feel like something of the past,

891
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: but it has, you know, the futurest part of it

892
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: as well, So it feels like it is something maybe

893
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 2: outside of our linear experience entirely. It feels like prophecy.

894
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: It feels like music that you don't merely listen to,

895
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: you kind of integrate with and maybe it listens back

896
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: to back to you and it knows that you are there.

897
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have not had the opportunity to listen to

898
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: the new album yet, but I would. I'm very much

899
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 3: looking forward to it. I'm not as much of a

900
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: super fan as you, but I really love Boards of Canada.

901
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: I listened to Music Has the Right to Children ten

902
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 3: million times.

903
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, amazing album obviously. Yeah, yeah, this one's

904
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 2: This one's amazing as well. And I recommend listening to

905
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: it maybe in a dark room with your eyes shut,

906
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, in one big, big, long listening session. Just

907
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: listen to the whole thing beginning to end, and you know,

908
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: see see where it takes you. So yeah, as far

909
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: as movies off that list for us to cover, I

910
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: don't know. Dark Star has been on my list for

911
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: a long time. I imagine we'll get to that one eventually.

912
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: And there are some others on here that could be fun.

913
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: You know, we could easily discuss the Andromeda Strain or

914
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: Capricorn One or even the Wizard of Oz.

915
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 3: I say, we got to track down ice Core Drilling.

916
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: That's my kind of movie.

917
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: Ice Core Drilling. Yeah, yeah, what are the the ideas?

918
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: According to this says unknown thought to be perhaps a

919
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: National Film Board of Canada film, although the National Film

920
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: Board of Canada's website makes no mention of any film

921
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: by this title might be, and they refer to another

922
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: title like Artich four or something. So again, I think

923
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 2: they were, you know, maybe casually answering this question, so

924
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: they might be referring to this other film. Yeah.

925
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 3: Well, I like the idea that their list of that

926
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: specifically for the creators of Boards of Canada, that their

927
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: list of films would include something that sounds like it

928
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 3: could be a kind of industry informational film or something

929
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: that's not meant for the general public. Because that I

930
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 3: think they you know, it feels like they could source

931
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: a lot from those types of media or not, just

932
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: as they could that they do.

933
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: Actually, oh yeah, absolutely.

934
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 3: Anyway, Okay, would you like me to read one of

935
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 3: these other ones here? Let's see.

936
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, what else do we have in the mailbag? We

937
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: have some weird house cinema messages in particular.

938
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can do. Let's see this one. How about

939
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 3: this one from Matt about Star Crash. Oh yes, Star

940
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: Crash Memories from an old guy. Matt says, Hi, Robert

941
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,280
Speaker 3: and Joe, I really enjoyed your recent episode on Star Crash,

942
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,959
Speaker 3: a movie that made a big impression on me, both

943
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 3: good and bad when it came out. Imagine being an

944
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 3: eleven year old science fiction fan in nineteen seventy seven

945
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 3: and having your whole world rocked by Star Wars. Also,

946
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: imagine that there was no way to see Star Wars

947
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: after its theatrical run, So anything even vaguely related to

948
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: a movie set in space is going to be on

949
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: your radar, and you'd beg your parents, grandparents, or any

950
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: adult who'd listen to take you to see that movie. Lastly,

951
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 3: imagine sitting in a theater and watching Star Crash. The

952
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: mood of the audience went from excitement to disappointment pretty quickly,

953
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: but the constant costume changes and the always wonderful Carolyn

954
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 3: Monroe kept the interest up, and once there was an

955
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 3: acceptance of the goofiness embedded in every frame, my friends

956
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: and I had a mildly entertaining afternoon. Unexpectedly, though, a

957
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: Star Crash stuck with us. Constant discussions of the movie's

958
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 3: shortfalls led to an appreciation of bad or weird movies

959
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 3: and the fun that could be had in staying up

960
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: late to watch some forgotten gem on TV. This coincided

961
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: with the release of the Medved Brothers books, The Golden

962
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,479
Speaker 3: Turkey Awards, and The Fifty Worst Movies of All Time,

963
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: so we were hooked. Once video rentals became a thing,

964
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 3: a whole world of weird and wonderful movies opened up,

965
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: and I remember many incredible nights with friends watching some

966
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: awful movie and laughing so hard I could hardly breathe.

967
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 3: Fast forward to now, in my original attitude to Star

968
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 3: Crash has changed. I love the energy and the throw

969
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: it all at the wall and see what sticks attitude

970
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 3: of the filmmakers. I love the colorful stars that look

971
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 3: like Christmas decorations, the ship models with obvious sprus and

972
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: spray cand lids glued to them, and the bizarre dialogue

973
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: that throws in crazy ideas but never sees them through.

974
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 3: I hope one day to get my well worn Star

975
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: Crash DVD signed by Carolyn Monroe or David Hasselhoff or both.

976
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 3: Thanks for the podcast. A show that combines interesting facts

977
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 3: with a weekly weird movie was always going to be

978
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 3: right up my right up my alley. But the two

979
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: of you always find the right tone to hit, whether

980
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 3: you're discussing hard science, interesting culture, or a bizarre Italian

981
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 3: space movie with a Texan robot and a spaceship fist.

982
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 3: Cheers Matt. Well, thank you, Matt. That makes me feel wonderful.

983
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right in there. And that then

984
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: diagram that we've created of interest.

985
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah all right.

986
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: This next one comes to us from Karen. Karen says, hey,

987
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: w HC, dudes, I didn't see Brother from Another Planet

988
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: on your letterbox list, and it's a wonderful movie. Consider

989
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: it if you're ever at a loss. By the way,

990
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 2: Karen is referring to our profile on letterbox dot com.

991
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: You can look us up there. We're a weird house.

992
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: We have a list of all the movies we've covered

993
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: over the years there, so you can see what we've

994
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 2: covered and sometimes you get a peek ahead at what

995
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 2: we're covering next. But indeed, Brother from Another Planet it

996
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: is not on the list because we have not covered it.

997
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: Karen continues, love your show. Been listening to stuff to

998
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 2: blow your mind and offshoots forever. Thanks for exposing me

999
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: to schlock and sometimes not schlock that I never would

1000
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: have seen if not for you, except Forbidden Planet, which

1001
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 2: has been my fave since I first saw it and

1002
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,479
Speaker 2: was thrilled that you did anp on it. Any thanks

1003
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 2: for the infotainment, Karen.

1004
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,760
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. Karen. Yeah, Brother from Another

1005
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 3: Planet directed by John Sales. I've hit that on my

1006
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 3: list for a long time. I've never seen it, but

1007
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 3: I've heard it's great.

1008
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that that has also been on my list

1009
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: for a while, and I don't know that might be

1010
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: might be one that we cover later this month there, Yeah,

1011
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 2: one of the Friday slots coming up. I'm thinking of

1012
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: possibly picking Spaces the place, but Brother from Another Planet

1013
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: also strong contender. And then Finally, I'm going to include

1014
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,479
Speaker 2: one message here from our discord server. If you would

1015
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 2: like to join our discord server, just email us. We're

1016
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 2: going to throw that email out here in a minute.

1017
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: Email lists will send you a link to the discord.

1018
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: It's a much smaller, i think, segment of the listener base,

1019
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: but you know, kind of keep it small because it

1020
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: stays cozy that way. But anyone is free to join.

1021
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 2: Matt says here, apparently there is a mobile armor, like

1022
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: a mobile suit, not human shaped, in the Gundam universe.

1023
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: This is this is the Bandai Namco series. This is

1024
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 2: a you know, Gundam. So if you know what a

1025
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: Gundam is, you know what I'm talking about. If not,

1026
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: look it up and then you it'll be like, oh,

1027
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 2: that's a Gundam, I know what that is. But Matt

1028
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 2: says that there is there's a particular mobile armor in

1029
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 2: the Gundam universe called a Gromlin. And he says maybe

1030
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: someone at Bandai at Namco is a fan of eighties

1031
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: and nineties Grimlins copycat movies. He includes a picture here

1032
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: and I've included this for you to look at.

1033
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 3: Joe.

1034
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: Folks out there, you can look up Gundam Gromlin, and

1035
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 2: you will see this as well. It's, as Matt points out,

1036
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 2: a bizarre design with one leg and a weird kind

1037
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: of like arm on a wire. So it's a very

1038
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: strange looking like anime. It looks like a spaceship, but

1039
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: it is a combat suit of some sort.

1040
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,240
Speaker 3: I interpreted this as two legs sort of twisted together

1041
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 3: and a head on a long, thin neck, so it

1042
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: looks to me kind of like a green metal flamingo.

1043
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like a chicken leg to me. Yeah,

1044
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: it's kind of like the Bobba Yaga's House. But make

1045
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: it sci fi, make it anime. So this was fun.

1046
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: If you've listened to us on Weird House Cinema before,

1047
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: you know that when we say Gromlin, we're talking about

1048
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: any kind of cinematic creature that occurs in the wake

1049
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty four's Grimlins, regardless of comparative effects slash

1050
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: puppetry quality, though generally it's going to be of poorer equality,

1051
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 2: thus invoking the idea of subpark Grimlins, Grimlins at home,

1052
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: or of course, generic off brand grimlins that might be

1053
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: called Gromlins.

1054
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: Right, Hobgoblins, munchies, that sort of thing.

1055
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sort of thing. But even in like our

1056
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: discussion of Jim Henson's Storyteller, that's what we're talking about,

1057
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: the Soldier and death, some great devils in there, and

1058
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: we were talking I think we discussed whether or not

1059
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: these were Gromlins. There's some Gromlin energy to them, although

1060
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 2: they were obviously made by puppetry masters.

1061
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 3: Good Gromlins, Good Gromlins.

1062
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I love all Gromlins. They're they're they're

1063
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: all beloved in my eyes. But that's what we were

1064
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 2: talking about when we talk about with talk about Gromlins.

1065
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: I think the usage in the Gundam universe definitely predates,

1066
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: so I was looking into it a little. I think

1067
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: the Gromlin sued here is from the late nineties, so

1068
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 2: they were definitely using it before we were using it.

1069
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: I was also looking around to see why who else

1070
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: is using the word Gromlin, And apparently it's the name

1071
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: of a fictional English town in the music of the

1072
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 2: band love Joy. Not really familiar with this band, I

1073
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 2: think they were they were formed and in recent years,

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Speaker 2: the last twenty years at any rate, but there's some

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Speaker 2: sort of fictional town they've created named Gromlin. I like

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Speaker 2: that idea as well.

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Speaker 3: Never heard of that. But are are there Gromlins in

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Speaker 3: the town of Gromlin.

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it, but I want to

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Speaker 2: go to there, much like the town of Millbag. I

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Speaker 2: also also want to go visit Nilboch.

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Speaker 3: This Gromlin spelled backwards, mil Milmore, neil Moore.

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Speaker 2: Neil More works. Yeah, that's if you're creating some sort

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Speaker 2: of fiction out there and you need a town name,

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Speaker 2: go with nil Moore. Just spell Gromlin and then do

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Speaker 2: it backwards. You'll have a clearer idea of what you're

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Speaker 2: working with. Here. All right, we're gonna go ahead and

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Speaker 2: close the mail bag here, but I mean, there was

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Speaker 2: a lot we didn't get to in this edition. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back with another edition at least next month.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back.

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Speaker 2: We generally do about one of these a month, but

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Speaker 2: don't have time to bring it all up on the show.

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