Speaker 1: Look may, oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture? Yes, goodness lost cult d lost
Speaker 1: calling we're back.
Speaker 2: Well, what an auspicious beginning to the year.
Speaker 1: No, what do you mean? Well, why were you calling
Speaker 1: him as? Because we get to beat together, we get
Speaker 1: to be together. We have a great bounty.
Speaker 2: We have a great bounty, friendship, A treasure of beauty
Speaker 2: in front of the.
Speaker 1: Treasure of beauty? Is that the definition of bounty? A
Speaker 1: treasure of Oh no, no, a great fortune, a great
Speaker 1: fortune of beauty.
Speaker 2: Forget when I forget how you used this sequence of words,
Speaker 2: But it's so Matt Rogers. It's you have a great fortune.
Speaker 1: Great fortune of beauty. Yes, well you do. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: actually sitting here with you right now, and are you
Speaker 1: in a full beat right now?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: I actually took the beat off. You took the beat off. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you did a little photo shoot for SNL.
Speaker 2: I did I for an SNL related thing for something.
Speaker 1: So they get you in a full bead for the
Speaker 1: photo shoot. Tell how photo shoots were?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they put uniform bead and then they say.
Speaker 1: Okay, your hair looks okay, and these are the clothes
Speaker 1: and they say Hey, throw that neck for me, Throw
Speaker 1: that neck for me. You you in the phrase thrown neck,
Speaker 1: talk about that. We have to give credit word to
Speaker 1: do delta work. One time one on a tear on
Speaker 1: her podcast about throwing neck, like you want me to
Speaker 1: throw neck, and I actually didn't know what it was,
Speaker 1: And now throw neck has entered my lexicon.
Speaker 2: Throw neck is so much better than I hated. Give head, No,
Speaker 2: give heads off. Give head is so bad.
Speaker 1: You we're talking about euphemisms for oral sex aka blowjob.
Speaker 2: We can also bring back blowjob, blowjob. You gave him
Speaker 2: a blow job.
Speaker 1: A blowjob, a blow job, like I don't know he.
Speaker 2: Gives good blowjobs. I want people to say that about me.
Speaker 1: No blowjob is so nineties, actually really closer. Number eight
Speaker 1: blowjob is so nice? And what give head is so
Speaker 1: so odds and throw neck is so twenty twenties.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm an auspicious beginning of the year. Obviously
Speaker 2: there was a coping kind of cheekiness to it because
Speaker 2: of things being so devastating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just saying to Bo right before we
Speaker 1: got on, I'm actually super anxious to do the podcast
Speaker 1: today and anytime there's something going on like the horrible
Speaker 1: fires that are happening right now in Los Angeles. And
Speaker 1: by the way, it's still ongoing. I mean we're recording
Speaker 1: this on Monday, January thirteenth. This will come out on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and you know, the next couple of days are going
Speaker 1: to be very trying for the city and for the area.
Speaker 1: And I think we are still going to give lost coach.
Speaker 1: I mean, our theme for this year, actually we decided
Speaker 1: is more random bullshit. Yeah, so look forward to that.
Speaker 1: But I feel like I do just want to speak
Speaker 1: to everyone that because I know for a fact that
Speaker 1: we have people that listen to this and a great
Speaker 1: listener based in Los Angeles, and so many people there
Speaker 1: that are being affected, that are losing everything, and it
Speaker 1: just goes so beyond just the loss of property. I
Speaker 1: mean the mental health right now. It's so demoralizing. It
Speaker 1: is so it's hard to wrap your head around the
Speaker 1: amount of devastation and just how much work needs to
Speaker 1: be done. And all I really want to say is
Speaker 1: that we are sending all of our love and strength
Speaker 1: to everyone that's affected, everyone that will be affected. For
Speaker 1: people checking in on me, I'm fine, Like I'm in
Speaker 1: New York and have been, I had some work stuff
Speaker 1: to do at the top of the year. I've obviously
Speaker 1: ended up remaining here just to kind of stay out
Speaker 1: of the way, but truly heartbreaking, and just know that
Speaker 1: we will continue to provide a space for you to
Speaker 1: hopefully laugh and you know, feel like there's someone beside you, because.
Speaker 2: It is a very unique kind of grief to have
Speaker 2: so many emotional attachments kind of fall away to ash.
Speaker 1: Literally.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some things something very obviously you neique
Speaker 2: about every kind of disastrous thing, but with fire, it
Speaker 2: is like uncontrollable, unpredictable fast, and it all happens in
Speaker 2: a way that defies any kind of processing, and things
Speaker 2: will just take a very long time on every level.
Speaker 2: Things will take a very long time to feel tolerable
Speaker 2: in any way. And that is what's probably the saddest
Speaker 2: collective thing that people outside of Los Angeles must be feeling.
Speaker 2: But then it certainly pales in comparison to what people
Speaker 2: who are currently there and who will be dealing with
Speaker 2: this for the next several years are feeling in this moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's hard, right because sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: you're sitting on your computer or in front of your
Speaker 1: TV or on your phone, and you see things start
Speaker 1: to fill up that space, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the politicization and the finger pointing and stuff is so
Speaker 1: unhelpful and it's hard. I will never forget some people
Speaker 1: whose instinct was to just immediately politicize this and immediately
Speaker 1: make it about other things. When people's homes are burning,
Speaker 1: when people are losing family, losing pets. Relationships get so
Speaker 1: challenged during things like this, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just the last thing on anyone's mind should be
Speaker 1: like dunking on this city, which by the way, obviously
Speaker 1: I get it, like La gets dunked on, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It all feels very fucking stupid.
Speaker 2: Why would you do that in this moment.
Speaker 1: Because for some people they just can't separate their actual
Speaker 1: need for attention and for people to rally around whatever
Speaker 1: thought they have. I mean, it's like it's a fucking
Speaker 1: dark day for social media. And when I log on
Speaker 1: and I see that people have all the fucking answers,
Speaker 1: when it's like you clearly don't camped, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's officially curtains. Oh god. For so yeah, TikTok band
Speaker 1: take it at this point, Zuck being Zuck, like, it's
Speaker 1: just it's over.
Speaker 2: There's no which is not to say that like TikTok
Speaker 2: going away potentially is like a celebratory thing.
Speaker 1: It's just like if you had.
Speaker 2: Any doubt that And now I'm like sounding a little tinfoily,
Speaker 2: but it's like, if you had any depth, is all
Speaker 2: part of some like this isn't some kind of like
Speaker 2: propaganda machine. Essentially, it's like, why are all of these
Speaker 2: fucking tech bros like right wingers now anyway? We can't
Speaker 2: get into that.
Speaker 1: No, it's not, there's so much. There's time for this
Speaker 1: stuff later. All I want to say right now actually
Speaker 1: but literally to the trap. But when I literally said,
Speaker 1: we won't do more than seven minutes on this because
Speaker 1: we're what we're gonna do is we're gonna bring you
Speaker 1: lost coach. We have a lot to say over the
Speaker 1: about what's gone on over the past like a month
Speaker 1: since we've seen you guys. We hope you guys enjoyed
Speaker 1: the re releases. I think we actually carried down in
Speaker 1: terms of what we chose. We torre a tour, carried
Speaker 1: and more. But the last thing I want to say,
Speaker 1: the first thing I'm going to do when I get
Speaker 1: back to the city, which I don't know when that
Speaker 1: will be hopefully end of the week. We'll see, is
Speaker 1: I'm going to my apartment, I'm going to my closet.
Speaker 1: I'm Every single thing that I don't need is getting donated.
Speaker 1: I encourage you to do the same. These resources, luckily,
Speaker 1: because of social media, are not difficult to find in
Speaker 1: terms of where you can donate and if you are
Speaker 1: in the position to give. I said it about the
Speaker 1: hurricanes in Florida, I'm saying it now, please do that
Speaker 1: because people really need help. They really need help bad,
Speaker 1: and my heart goes out to everybody.
Speaker 2: If anything can be taken away from this, it's that
Speaker 2: the thing that has been mobilized the quickest and the
Speaker 2: most incredibly is interpersonal mutual aid thing. It's devastating that
Speaker 2: it's not anything more part of a larger system. It's
Speaker 2: just it is literally like bottom up and it still
Speaker 2: has yet to be a top down thing. And as
Speaker 2: we go into like a new sort of era, as
Speaker 2: it were like that is that will not be the
Speaker 2: thing that anyone can rely on.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's I guess you know what, you know
Speaker 1: what y'all, let's fucking see you. We fucked around. I
Speaker 1: guess we're gonna find out depending on what goes down
Speaker 1: in terms of our federal government, but I guess we'll
Speaker 1: just continue to watch.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy that the response is what it is
Speaker 2: because it's a bluestate.
Speaker 1: It's really fucking it's crazy. I mean, let's not even,
Speaker 1: let's literally not even. Let's just hope to God that
Speaker 1: resources are given to people that need it, regardless of
Speaker 1: where they live or who they are or X y
Speaker 1: Z reason. The last thing I want to say about
Speaker 1: it is shout out doesn't even do it justice to
Speaker 1: all of the firefighters that are giving everything to put
Speaker 1: this out. I mean, like truly watching these the aircrafts
Speaker 1: go up and the water get dumped, and like just
Speaker 1: seeing how percis sie all of it is, and watching
Speaker 1: these people scale mountains to get some places, putting themselves
Speaker 1: in harm's way. Truly all respect and heroic kudos to them.
Speaker 1: Like it's just amazing what you see people are willing
Speaker 1: to do to help others, and that is something that
Speaker 1: let's just highlight that. At the end of this and
Speaker 1: as it all unfolds so far, my place is okay,
Speaker 1: but I have a fucking one bedroom apartment. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm all right, I'm just I'm my heart is broken
Speaker 1: for people that are losing stuff. Yeah. Anyway, we watched
Speaker 1: The Substance last night. We're the last. Anyway, it's Oscar season.
Speaker 1: We're the last gay men to see this movie. Watched
Speaker 1: it together. It actually was You guys aren't going to
Speaker 1: believe this. This is my second time seeing the movie.
Speaker 2: Do we have a burgeoning horror enthusiast in our midst we?
Speaker 1: I think we do.
Speaker 2: I always thought that Matt Rogers would be a horror
Speaker 2: buff like. I think you've grown up a lot since
Speaker 2: you I self identified this way. Yeah, and I don't.
Speaker 2: I think you can let that go. I think you
Speaker 2: can let Ooh I'm sweamish about horror. I think you've
Speaker 2: leveled the fuck up and you if you can sit
Speaker 2: through The Substance twice in one.
Speaker 1: Week, yeah, I think you're fine. I knew what. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's such a rich genre genre. It's such
Speaker 1: a shame that you're missing out. No, can I tell
Speaker 1: you something. It's one of the genres that I respect
Speaker 1: the most, horror and sci fi. Yes, I actually think
Speaker 1: because you can genuinely and let's talk. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: this movie in connection to this idea. But you can,
Speaker 1: more than anything else, so brilliantly make points about our
Speaker 1: culture when you are a sci fi or horror filmmaker
Speaker 1: or and both. This is obviously both. I knew I
Speaker 1: was gonna have to see it because I'm just rooting
Speaker 1: so hard for Demi and I'm more to say about
Speaker 1: her in a second. But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna nut up and I'm gonna fucking watch this.
Speaker 1: You can get a nut up for Demi. I have
Speaker 1: to nott up for Demi and Margaret. And that's why
Speaker 1: sheer culture number thirty. You have to nut up for
Speaker 1: me and Margaret. And let's include Margaret in the conversation
Speaker 1: because if I wake up on Oscar nomination morning, now
Speaker 1: I don't see and I don't see whoever is reading
Speaker 1: those nominations say the name Margaret quality. There will be
Speaker 1: more destruction. Oh and that's like, that's a little light
Speaker 1: humor there. That's because I think we could all use
Speaker 1: a little light humor. Facetious queen, thank you, this is is.
Speaker 1: I think it's our favorite favorite the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, period, notwithstanding projects that we've been involved in.
Speaker 1: I think Wicked has to occupy its own space, of course,
Speaker 1: and let me go say it, it is occupying its
Speaker 1: own space for me. I've seen Wicked. I think I
Speaker 1: actually don't remember if it's four or five times, but
Speaker 1: it's obviously one of my favorite films. Like, and congratulations
Speaker 1: to you on your sagnam, thank you. I feel like
Speaker 1: every time there's a nomination's announcement, my sister always gets
Speaker 1: the flowers because you are everything I ever were all
Speaker 1: at once. No, I'm not just saying that I am.
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful to be included among this superlative. Really,
Speaker 2: there's a sort of self deprecating part of me that says,
Speaker 2: I like, somehow canned my way into that, into that group.
Speaker 1: But also, I'm very proud of you were the ensemble,
Speaker 1: I was elevated the film.
Speaker 2: I'm proud of the work that everybody did, especially Jonathan
Speaker 2: Bailey getting the nomination for supporting. Yeah, that was major,
Speaker 2: such a nice what's the word tasteful choice? You used
Speaker 2: a word when we were talking about this that we
Speaker 2: were like when SAG nominations came out and then we were
Speaker 2: talk about Jonathan was like, oh, we're so happy for Jonathan.
Speaker 1: You said, oh, are you looking through text? Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: looking through. What did I say about Johnny billy nomination?
Speaker 1: We believe that I said something. We gotta we got
Speaker 1: to cut around this one second. No, this is real life.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, this we we were texting up we dorm.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about us. We are texting up a
Speaker 1: storm CoA Number eight team. Here's the thing about us.
Speaker 1: We are texting up a storm that.
Speaker 2: This is what you said about Jonathan Bailly's nomination inspired nomination.
Speaker 1: I think it is an inspired because he is. Because
Speaker 1: the thing about that role is it's like, first of all,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Billy is like Dick Van Dyke, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, oh my god, what a great comparison.
Speaker 1: That's like the highest compliment I could give true entertainer,
Speaker 1: like that physicality is delightful. Yeah, just tripping in charisma, man.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that just in terms of the way he
Speaker 2: moves and dances, not his physique. It's not his physique,
Speaker 2: his physicality.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean listen, first of all, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: have fierro, that's exactly what it should be like a
Speaker 1: triumph in both casting and tailoring. Oh that's what I
Speaker 1: would say about everything that doesn't have to do with
Speaker 1: Jonathan Bailly, right, But in terms of what does have
Speaker 1: to do with him, now that's the definitive fierro. I mean,
Speaker 1: so easy to fall in love with immediately you get
Speaker 1: why everyone on screen is doing that, you know, treating
Speaker 1: him that way, just like you know in a movie
Speaker 1: like that where they clearly loved it so much, got
Speaker 1: the ensemble. No, I'm Cynthia and Arianna like, I love it.
Speaker 1: And it's a true supporting nomination, which is something that
Speaker 1: I ring the bell on a lot, which is the
Speaker 1: category fraud of it all of course.
Speaker 2: And that is Look, it's an acting award granted by
Speaker 2: actors that he's performing in the truest sense.
Speaker 1: I think I'm not surprised at all why people saw
Speaker 1: his name and were like checking that box, yeah, and
Speaker 1: you think that's what you think?
Speaker 2: They saw mine for ensemble and said yes, I.
Speaker 1: Think that Here's what happened when I got to ensemble.
Speaker 1: I think they first of all wicked w all the
Speaker 1: way at the end, and I think you Yang were
Speaker 1: all the way at the end of that. So I
Speaker 1: think you were the last thing I was. You were
Speaker 1: the closer of the entire booklet. And I've been a
Speaker 1: SAG voting committee member, not this year, but I have
Speaker 1: been in the past. I know how it works. And
Speaker 1: all I know is I think they closed their books
Speaker 1: very pleased with themselves, knowing that they had voted to
Speaker 1: nominate the one, the only cistern I have called Bowen.
Speaker 1: I'm the closer. I'm Kira. You can work so here
Speaker 1: a Sedgwick in this bitch. But okay, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: all great for me though, because, like I just said,
Speaker 1: Margaret Qualley was not on the list for SAG. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you something, the Academy members, if you're
Speaker 1: any of your listening to this, you can actually vote
Speaker 1: till Friday. Now. I'm not waking up and not hearing
Speaker 1: Margaret Qualley's name. What she does in this movie, both
Speaker 1: of them epic. Every edge of her was covered except
Speaker 1: for one eye. Let's fucking talk about this film. So
Speaker 1: the substance. If you don't know, now you know it's
Speaker 1: about Demi Moour. She plays an aging actress name Elizabeth Sparkle.
Speaker 1: Let's just pause, just let that live. Elizabeth Sparkle. First
Speaker 1: of all, the very first thing you see is her
Speaker 1: Hollywood star, Elizabeth Sparkle, and you're like, her name is
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Sparkle. And then the tone of the movie begins,
Speaker 1: and it's just so brilliant, like what's how do you
Speaker 1: how would you say? What would you say? The tone is?
Speaker 1: The tone is God. The tone is like B movie.
Speaker 1: It's like B movie noir, B movie noir, but like
Speaker 1: also like very aware of the fact that it's a
Speaker 1: body horror movie and it's like crunchy and juicy and
Speaker 1: very You mentioned the very first frame.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 1: You were like, I already love this because it's just
Speaker 1: the hard materials of the Hollywood star that they're making. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And the movie is molding.
Speaker 2: And shaping and so yeah.
Speaker 1: It's about being defined by what physically makes you up
Speaker 1: and allowing that to go too far. And the movie
Speaker 1: never loses sight of that. Coral Le farghi because some
Speaker 1: people are fully pronouncing it far gee.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. So then maybe I'm wrong because I'm
Speaker 2: looking at it, and I sure you are. You are
Speaker 2: putting in the time to watch these interviews and to
Speaker 2: hear the utterances of the names.
Speaker 1: We might as well just call Coralie the legend.
Speaker 2: Hold on, we can't move forward with that knowing the
Speaker 2: pro I'm looking.
Speaker 1: At her as someone who clearly is not I'm not
Speaker 1: exactly whipping out a French accent, but I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the way it's far. It looks like farge to Meia,
Speaker 1: coral fargite.
Speaker 2: Come on, someone said for I'm not saying come on you,
Speaker 2: I'm saying, come on at whoever is broadcasting fargeat.
Speaker 1: I mean lots of failures in broadcasting far geet, not
Speaker 1: not the slur Fargeit sounds like a slur.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you know, you know what to speak of.
Speaker 2: Another Best Actress potential nominee, Mikey Madison really put her
Speaker 2: pussy into faggot to saying the word faggot.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love. I don't know if we've gotten into Honora,
Speaker 1: because I don't think you had seen annoy when I
Speaker 1: had seen a nore.
Speaker 2: You've now seen a Noora. I have now seen a Nooy,
Speaker 2: and I of course I love.
Speaker 1: Mikey Madison and no Noora like can I say doctor
Speaker 1: Best Actress? Wild wild, Cynthia, Come on, Cynthia, but so
Speaker 1: I hope Cynthia is locked. I think she is. Well,
Speaker 1: there's some people online that are that are kind of
Speaker 1: giving the fear of what happened to Margot Robbie could
Speaker 1: happen to Cynthia, because like, but I also think it's
Speaker 1: a totally different thing now. I would be so bummed
Speaker 1: out of Cynthia. Missus comn Cynthia.
Speaker 2: Fucking you're with her every step of the way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in that movie, all the way up until that that
Speaker 2: last fucking battle cry. It's like, come on, another actor would.
Speaker 1: Have you couldn't. It wouldn't have been the same.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't have been the same. Cynthia gave us such
Speaker 2: a sublime version of of just that story up until
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, come please, I mean it's so great.
Speaker 1: And I listened to The Wizard and I a bunch
Speaker 1: of by the way, I covered The Wizard and I
Speaker 1: on my Christmas show, and each and every time it
Speaker 1: was the best moment of my life. Oh, like literally,
Speaker 1: I can't believe that song. And she's done like a
Speaker 1: yet another like defining performance of that song. Like you
Speaker 1: can watch all the alphabets sing the Wizard and I.
Speaker 1: Cynthia not only put her own spin on it, but
Speaker 1: also did the song so much justice. And that's like
Speaker 1: the point in the movie where you're like, it's confirmed
Speaker 1: at that point that this is a great real Yes.
Speaker 1: After that, I just love it. Not to speak too
Speaker 1: much more about that, but like, I hope she gets
Speaker 1: her nomination. I think my actress five is to me
Speaker 1: Mikey Madison, Cynthia Arrivo, Carlo Sofia Gascon and Nicole and
Speaker 1: baby Girl and Nicole's getting lost. And this is not
Speaker 1: to say I also didn't love I loved Angelina, Jolie
Speaker 1: and Maria.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then you've seen her truths.
Speaker 1: I've seen her truths. Marianne John Baptiste is incredible in it.
Speaker 1: I just the movies. It's a difficult movie and it's
Speaker 1: a tough character, but she's brilliant. And I've seen the
Speaker 1: Last show Girl, and I think if Pam Anderson gets
Speaker 1: a nomination, you're not gonna see me tisking, like I
Speaker 1: root for her and she's fabulous in the movie. I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot. You are.
Speaker 2: I think this is it. This is a fun year
Speaker 2: to be a completest completionist. However you want to say, yeah, yeah, great, year.
Speaker 1: And I haven't even mentioned Fernando Torres, who the legendary
Speaker 1: Brazilian actress in the movie I'm Still here, who's won
Speaker 1: the Globe and that kind of like got shot around,
Speaker 1: shook it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because people were looking
Speaker 1: at Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolita win that and neither
Speaker 1: of them did. We should we get back on track
Speaker 1: with the subsistence, I mean, just funny. It wields camp.
Speaker 2: People throw around this word, but it wields camp in
Speaker 2: the most perfect way, which is it's poor taste and
Speaker 2: good taste. That's exactly what that movie is the entire
Speaker 2: way through.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think the dialogue yes, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is a reverie. This is dream like in everywhere
Speaker 1: and in such a calibrated way, like even God, even
Speaker 1: with the Dennis Quaid stuff, it's like, oh, everyone understands this.
Speaker 1: This is good direction, everyone being aligned with the vision
Speaker 1: and also that being true when there is so much
Speaker 1: technical stuff going on. Yes, I implore you, if you've
Speaker 1: seen this movie, the next thing you should do your
Speaker 1: homework is to watch It's a thirty minute BTS features
Speaker 1: on YouTube about the making of the movie. It is
Speaker 1: true practical filmmaking, practical magic, practical magic. Let that sink
Speaker 1: in bars. But like you watch the movie and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: surely that part was CGI, and it wasn't. And so
Speaker 1: incredibly creative she was in terms of what she executed.
Speaker 1: She's so in control of all her departments. And to
Speaker 1: speak to again, the.
Speaker 2: Acting, Oh I'm thinking about Margaret.
Speaker 1: Margaret is a legend. You're a hit. No, no, she's
Speaker 1: so good and she also knows, like I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to say this, but she's exactly pitch perfect
Speaker 1: on playing both realities.
Speaker 2: Realities of someone who because the thing about these characters
Speaker 2: of Sue and Elizabeth is they only ever really talk
Speaker 2: to each other. No, actually they never talk to each other,
Speaker 2: and there's moments of like interaction, but like both to
Speaker 2: me and Margaret are having to be in dialogue with
Speaker 2: each other when they're solo, which you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, well they are one person. So that
Speaker 1: actually that was the part where I was like watching
Speaker 1: the walk and I'm like, okay, So, so if when
Speaker 1: you watch the movie, and by the way, if you're
Speaker 1: totally in the dark about what this movie is, it's
Speaker 1: about Elizabeth Sparkle, who's an actress who turns fifty, and
Speaker 1: she has like a Jane fond of workout class, Like
Speaker 1: that's like her gig. Now you get the sense that
Speaker 1: this is what she's had to do because the Hollywood
Speaker 1: industry has done what it's done to women. And she's
Speaker 1: now too old. So she's finishing one of her classes
Speaker 1: and it's her birthday and she gets the word without
Speaker 1: saying too much, that because she's old, they're going to
Speaker 1: fire her, and she replaced her with someone younger. So
Speaker 1: on the way home, she gets into a car accident.
Speaker 1: She goes to the hospital and this like young nurse
Speaker 1: says to her, like he passes on this thing called
Speaker 1: the substance. And the substance is something that you can
Speaker 1: take to create, for lack of a better word, a younger,
Speaker 1: better version of yourself.
Speaker 2: And there are stricts parameters in which you can alternate
Speaker 2: between your current self and this younger self.
Speaker 1: With the caveat being remember you are one being like
Speaker 1: while new matter is created, and then you can occupy
Speaker 1: that new, younger, more beautiful matter. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: always remember that you are one being in one consciousness.
Speaker 1: So it's a really interesting exploration of what happens when
Speaker 1: you hate yourself so much that you actually start It's
Speaker 1: just she loses grip on what's on the rules because
Speaker 1: she so enjoys being the Margaret quality version of herself,
Speaker 1: and it does there there is like this weird binary
Speaker 1: created between them, but they keep being reminded they are
Speaker 1: one person. So it's actually this weird like also kind
Speaker 1: of an examination of like mental illness and true dysmorphia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the movie's doing a lot. Well, the movie's doing a lot.
Speaker 2: And then like anytime she faces a consequence, it is
Speaker 2: so good at leaving you in the audience a little
Speaker 2: bit unsure, I think in a purely intentional way, not
Speaker 2: in like a plot holy way. It's like you don't
Speaker 2: know whether it's a scientific consequence or if it's something
Speaker 2: that is like nefariously being carried out by like whoever
Speaker 2: is behind that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. It doesn't have to see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think everyone's seen him except us really.
Speaker 1: But honestly though, like I never know, because well you
Speaker 1: can I guess stream it now on movie. And I
Speaker 1: had no idea that Bowen was a movie lover.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt finds out that I subscribed to a movie,
Speaker 2: and then he goes, that's a list.
Speaker 1: I go, I believe it's a list.
Speaker 2: To be a movie you can be a movie subscriber
Speaker 2: and feel a list.
Speaker 1: I guess I bought. I bought the film on Apple iTunes.
Speaker 2: That seems a list to me as well. You think
Speaker 2: it's a list. I think everyone readers publicist Katie's Finalists.
Speaker 2: I need to see Matt Rogers in the Criterion closet.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I just watched Pam Anderson's which is
Speaker 1: really so good. She does like talking smart.
Speaker 2: She's so smart. She knows so much about film. Would
Speaker 2: you pick up like umbrellas of Sherbourg or whatever?
Speaker 1: She's picked out the film Wanda, which is like a
Speaker 1: big I've now seen the Last show Girl, which I'll
Speaker 1: talk about in a second. I really want you to
Speaker 1: see it too. I took my ass down to the
Speaker 1: Angelica and which side of the theater are you on? Right?
Speaker 1: Or laugh left?
Speaker 2: Actually, that's my big I don't think so many things.
Speaker 2: I love Angelica obviously, institution.
Speaker 1: I do whatever I can to support it.
Speaker 2: It's tough for me, it's tough for a lot of
Speaker 2: us to be in a theater that has a middle aisle.
Speaker 2: I just I just got to say center aisle is tough.
Speaker 1: It is tough, you know, in terms of the layout.
Speaker 1: I was not loving. It's okay, and it's okay.
Speaker 2: This is not a knock on Angelicate, just to knock
Speaker 2: on that seating arrangement in theaters.
Speaker 1: The world's over. They could never make me hate Angelic.
Speaker 1: They can never make me hand they try, because the
Speaker 1: seats do need a little bit of a sprucing, and
Speaker 1: that bathroom can use a little bit of a spruce.
Speaker 1: I daren't even go it. Oh but I just shipped
Speaker 1: myself front of the aisle girl space.
Speaker 3: No one's is it?
Speaker 1: But I saw so I saw the last show Girl,
Speaker 1: And because I'm excited for Pam, I'm a Pam super fan.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw Chicago Opening Night with Pam.
Speaker 2: You saw Chicago Opening Night with Pam and you we
Speaker 2: are both huge fans of the opening scene of Scary
Speaker 2: Movie three.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, all of Pam's work.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, cow says moo dudde dude.
Speaker 1: Dude, I mean I'm a Pam Pam and party. Sorry,
Speaker 1: let's keep going. Not mentioning her, not mentioning that when
Speaker 1: I just mentioned her, what we need is her take
Speaker 1: on the Fires and.
Speaker 2: Substance or Last show Girl, So Substance still, I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I it's our favorite movie.
Speaker 1: I knew I liked Margaret Kualley. You want to know
Speaker 1: why because have you seen her Kenzo ad? Yes, she
Speaker 1: dances for a commercial for Kenzo which she's everything. And
Speaker 1: you know she because I'm now a Bleach I'm a
Speaker 1: Bleacher super fan. She's in the music video for Tiny
Speaker 1: Moves by Bleachers, and it's just like just watching her
Speaker 1: be a stunning dancer and I have to imagine like
Speaker 1: all that dance background went into her performance here, just
Speaker 1: so funny, so smart, so committed, so and to me,
Speaker 1: this is what blows me away about the Substance and
Speaker 1: their performances in the Substance. Can you just imagine getting
Speaker 1: that script and reading it and being like, you know what, yeah,
Speaker 1: three months of this for sure, I get it. I
Speaker 1: see it, and I'm willing to commit to this. Despite
Speaker 1: the fact that that could have been a huge disaster.
Speaker 1: Well she's had. She says that she had the same
Speaker 1: feeling reading that scripture she did reading Ghosts, where she
Speaker 1: was like, this might not work. This probably won't work.
Speaker 2: It starts as one thing, it goes into it's like
Speaker 2: they pitched her ghost and it was like, could read
Speaker 2: goofy it's a it's a.
Speaker 1: Rom com thrill. It's a romantic thriller. Yeah, like super
Speaker 1: ghost stories to multi genre.
Speaker 2: In which the substances as well just the distillation of
Speaker 2: the tone of this movie is all in the billboard
Speaker 2: for the.
Speaker 1: Big New Year's Eve show. Oh God, Like ma I was.
Speaker 2: In tears just being like, this is so perfectly executed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like this billboard of Margaret of Sue in this stupid
Speaker 2: fucking dress head askew the New Year's Eve Show tomorrow
Speaker 2: nine pm, which implies that they put that billboard up
Speaker 2: for one day the day before, on December thirtieth, and
Speaker 2: then the next day new billboard tonight to night.
Speaker 1: By the way, these billboards cost, like that location of
Speaker 1: the billboard that they're insinuating is easily easily And it's
Speaker 1: just so funny because you could choose to watch this
Speaker 1: movie and be like, wait, what it's getting screenplay honors,
Speaker 1: like this movie is goofy can because the tone is
Speaker 1: so perfect from the second it starts to the end
Speaker 1: and it's totally original. It's unlike anything.
Speaker 2: That's what I said out loud to you at one
Speaker 2: point during the movie where I was just like, I've
Speaker 2: never seen anything like this, and what a fucking statement
Speaker 2: that is to say, you know who, I'm not about me,
Speaker 2: understanding about like us in film No.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, you know, I spent like probably two
Speaker 1: and a half minutes of my Seth Myers and of
Speaker 1: you're talking about yes, Oh, by the way, it was
Speaker 1: the first thing I said. I was like, okay, so
Speaker 1: he was like golden globes thoughts. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we gotta win.
Speaker 3: We gotta win.
Speaker 1: Demi Moore and not like period point blank.
Speaker 2: You were so great on Seth. By the way, my
Speaker 2: two act legend, by the way, can we just they.
Speaker 1: Did give me two? I felt really excited about that.
Speaker 2: You're getting many more acts, because I guess who's excited
Speaker 2: about your Oh, Seth Myers. Oh.
Speaker 1: I just saw him for the shoot and he was like,
Speaker 1: I don't think people know about that yet. Okay, then well,
Speaker 1: like we can blur that out. But there's something exciting coming.
Speaker 2: Very people are going to be very happy, and I'm
Speaker 2: excited about this is this is what the world needs
Speaker 2: now is love, sweet love.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what's actually driving me. Nut's just to
Speaker 1: go into some personal stuff. So I still have the blonde.
Speaker 1: I'm like, over the blonde. I want to be I
Speaker 1: want to I want to be brunette again. Buzz. But
Speaker 1: I have to. I have to keep my hair growing
Speaker 1: out for something, for something. And so now I'm like,
Speaker 1: do I go somewhere in New York and have them
Speaker 1: dye my hair brown? No? Truly not.
Speaker 2: Uh, I just wait till until you finish the thing
Speaker 2: because I need to.
Speaker 1: Have brown hair and long hair in the thing. I yeah,
Speaker 1: get a colored hair, get a color that could be interesting, can.
Speaker 2: Be so interesting, or you or you get it shorn
Speaker 2: off now and then have a grow out.
Speaker 1: Remember in college when I would do.
Speaker 2: Black I remember the black air.
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with my sister and say I
Speaker 2: was not a huge fan, but it was it was
Speaker 2: right for the time because you were once again deeply
Speaker 2: committed to a role.
Speaker 1: Okay, I won't dye my hair black. I think it's
Speaker 1: just because you have black hair and jealous you don't
Speaker 1: want me to take your.
Speaker 2: Crowd doesn't go with your skin tone.
Speaker 1: You are a nasty You're a nasty, a lister and rude.
Speaker 1: You are a nasty rude and you have your movie
Speaker 1: subscription and you think you're all bad a movie.
Speaker 2: You need to get on Criterion channel.
Speaker 1: I feel like i'd get in the Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: need to get on Criterion channel. If I went in
Speaker 1: the closet, I'd be adrift. You would not I have
Speaker 1: no film.
Speaker 2: Perfect Blue, Yeah, perfect the film.
Speaker 1: It's perfect Blue. Criteria. It is not Criterion. Well that's what.
Speaker 2: They don't have any Satoshi Cone in Criterion, which is
Speaker 2: actually kind of crazy. They should they Well, Criterion, we
Speaker 2: know you're listening. We know you're listening.
Speaker 1: We love you. We're fans. By the way.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I had a little Criterion kick of
Speaker 2: the holidays and I watched him take Out by Sean Baker. Ooh,
Speaker 2: and it's so crazy how there is this consistency in
Speaker 2: his vocabulary as of filming, and the way he is
Speaker 2: so solid and confident in a realism on film, like
Speaker 2: it's the same thing, it's the same preserved shit and
Speaker 2: anora where you're like, there's just something about the dialogue
Speaker 2: and the way it's written in the direction that he
Speaker 2: finds it in the edit, probably because he's an editor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like just Takeout is so if you can believe it's
Speaker 2: similar to Honora. It's obviously like he has, you know,
Speaker 2: working class people and all of his films, but it's
Speaker 2: like the thing about Takeout is like it's this everyday
Speaker 2: operational thing at a place that you that is kind
Speaker 2: of invisible to society, right, like a strip club or
Speaker 2: a Chinese restaurant. But it's like the goings on, the
Speaker 2: day to day goings on in those places is a huge,
Speaker 2: a hugely important thing that defines character and that the characters,
Speaker 2: the protagonists in these films are driven by like a
Speaker 2: survival instinct, you know. Like I'm sorry, I'm being so
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it, but it's the same. It's at
Speaker 2: the bookends of Sean Baker. It's like from Takeout to
Speaker 2: a normm like God, just a filmmaker who is who
Speaker 2: understands what he's there to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's you call it the working class.
Speaker 1: I would say it's His films are about the barely work.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those films are about the barely surviving for us.
Speaker 1: And I think that with Anora I was watching an
Speaker 1: interview with Mikey actually was the it was the Hollywood
Speaker 1: Reporter Actress round Table, which was great this year, and
Speaker 1: she was saying, because the whole table kind of turned
Speaker 1: to her at one point, she's very shy, very and
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to see her performance in a Nora
Speaker 1: and then see her in real life. Like she's just
Speaker 1: a talent and I'm a big, big fan of hers.
Speaker 1: But she was saying that it's a lot of improv
Speaker 1: like like that he'll just run the camera, like for
Speaker 1: example in that first sequence when he just ran the
Speaker 1: camera right, and she just kind of had to create
Speaker 1: ways in which her character would try to pick guys up.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you've not seen Anora, I don't
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. It's Shahn Baker's film starring
Speaker 1: Mikey Madison Getting a ton of Oscar butus. Some people
Speaker 1: may even call it a front runner in many categories,
Speaker 1: where she plays a stripper slash sex worker who gets
Speaker 1: involved with this like you know, very wealthy Russian oligarch's
Speaker 1: son and they have a whirlwind romance which is short
Speaker 1: lived and then there's a very harsh reality to the situation.
Speaker 1: But she she really like. I guess that's a thing
Speaker 1: with Sewn Baker's movies. It's incredibly collaborative the performers and
Speaker 1: him because he also gets he has casting credit on
Speaker 1: his movies, he has edit credits, that all this stuff
Speaker 1: in a way that I'd be interested to see how
Speaker 1: that makes casting directors feel. But like, this guy is
Speaker 1: totally in charge of what he's putting out there. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. It's like two different movies totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're talking about like Anorras, Yes, Splititude totally. It
Speaker 2: has that quality of like, but it still works in
Speaker 2: like this traditional like three act structure. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: like it all it all falls into the same, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like Mars or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like you have fun watching it, like all his movies,
Speaker 1: and then you leave heartbroken.
Speaker 2: Of course, did you see Red Rocket? I never got
Speaker 2: to see Red Rock. Oh I got Simon Rex and
Speaker 2: I shared a play one time.
Speaker 1: Really, it's all I love Simon X. I love him.
Speaker 1: He's so great. Three three Baby, and finally finally getting
Speaker 1: the Flowers.
Speaker 2: It deserves for being an important foundational text for comedy,
Speaker 2: for film, for so many things.
Speaker 1: Well you know, actually the last show Girl, which when
Speaker 1: you see it you'll know what I mean. The Last
Speaker 1: show Girl. By the way, it's to buy Gea Coppola,
Speaker 1: Francis Porcoppola's granddaughter. The Last show Girl, I was sang
Speaker 1: to Patrick Rogers, who I saw it with. The Last
Speaker 1: show Girl was like a Sean Baker movie entirely through,
Speaker 1: like a female gaze, and it was just an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to see in quick succession. But I don't even
Speaker 1: really know what my point is about that, but it's
Speaker 1: just it's scary. Three yes, one story in Pam Anderson
Speaker 1: and one yeah, and we're hopefully we'll see Anna Faris is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. By the way Hart goes out to her,
Speaker 1: she she lost her home.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just think we are ready for the
Speaker 2: Anna Faris like a song.
Speaker 1: Oh I've been ready. I have been so ready that
Speaker 1: I don't think there's I think there's few people that
Speaker 1: are that big of a sweeten star to be totally
Speaker 1: on the nose. I like, watch Lost in Translation again
Speaker 1: on my way to Japan. Oh god, she's so great
Speaker 1: in it, so fucking good. Yeah, you watch Lost in Translation.
Speaker 1: I was like I have it on. I was like,
Speaker 1: I have it downloaded on MyPad. I was like, it's
Speaker 1: been a while. That is so funny, you know.
Speaker 2: My My interesting thing that I would love to ask
Speaker 2: Cephakopele about is you can tell that that entire movie,
Speaker 2: it's like it is a platonic thing and then it
Speaker 2: becomes a little bit romantic at the end. For anyone
Speaker 2: who wasn' seeing Lost in translation, I'm sorry I spoiled,
Speaker 2: but it's like I wonder if that was the thing
Speaker 2: that like Sophia kind of got like pressured into doing,
Speaker 2: or if that was a nartistic.
Speaker 1: Choice, improvise choice. They like the kiss? Do you think
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it anyway, It's.
Speaker 2: Very like it's not like a gross kiss, but it's
Speaker 2: just like it's a kiss and it's like romantic and
Speaker 2: maybe it isn't maybe it is a platonic kiss because
Speaker 2: those exist, but like anyway, I don't know. I just like,
Speaker 2: I just think that movie is so great when when
Speaker 2: it's just purely through the lens of like these are
Speaker 2: two lost people who find each other and their company
Speaker 2: is all they need and it doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: sexual or romantic or anything.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: I remember that that was SCARLETTJ. Mahnsson's moment stepping into
Speaker 2: like an ala.
Speaker 1: Because she was I remember she got like two Golden
Speaker 1: Globe nominations, which, by the way, congrats to sebastianst who
Speaker 1: finally got his flowers, and thank god, because I'm proud
Speaker 1: of him and he's working hard and he's just what
Speaker 1: a guy. He's just our favorite and I was really
Speaker 1: really really happy for him that he got something because again,
Speaker 1: and what he said is true. He's like when his speech,
Speaker 1: he was like, we can't be afraid of this type
Speaker 1: of we can't be afraid to make art and talk
Speaker 1: about art because that's like a bad sign. We're in
Speaker 1: bad dire streets. And we start to be like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't say this, can't say that. I mean already
Speaker 1: you see the normalizing ms Underwood. Oh, like, it's just interesting.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting you think about it. I'm sarking a
Speaker 1: huge cigarette that's eight feet long. Do you have anything
Speaker 1: else say about the substance other than it is the
Speaker 1: best movie of all time?
Speaker 2: It really, it's one of my favorites. It really is
Speaker 2: one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: And it's so gross, you guys.
Speaker 2: It's disgusting, which is the whole point. But am I crazy,
Speaker 2: Like obviously, it's there's so many visual references to the shining.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't think you're crazy at all. In fact,
Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on them until you were pointing
Speaker 1: them out throughout the film. I mean, like the pattern
Speaker 1: on the carpet, the bat, like her coming out in
Speaker 1: that bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally looking like the old woman.
Speaker 1: Oh, the prosthetics in this first of all, hair and makeup, Oscar.
Speaker 1: Oh please, dude, there's no question, I think honestly. Sound, oh,
Speaker 1: the set, the sound please, this has to be to
Speaker 1: end the script and both of them like, it's crazy
Speaker 1: to me, and tell me if you feel the same.
Speaker 1: To watch that movie and be like, this is an
Speaker 1: Oscar contender is exciting, so insane.
Speaker 2: Because I was talking to Sath about this, it's like,
Speaker 2: I love that it's not an Oscar bait movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, that's the thing too. I love is that not
Speaker 1: one person involved picked that script up and said, you know,
Speaker 1: this is gonna get me an Oscar now. And again, Rubric,
Speaker 1: could anyone else have done it better? There's something very
Speaker 1: special about to me, in particular taking it on and
Speaker 1: let's just speak about her for one second. And I
Speaker 1: told you when the sequence started, which was her going
Speaker 1: back to the mirror. There's a sequence where she she
Speaker 1: in the middle of the substance process, has like second
Speaker 1: thoughts and she is preparing for a date with this
Speaker 1: guy that she meets, and she just keeps going back
Speaker 1: to the mirror because she's so insecure and hates herself
Speaker 1: so much. The specific rage and hatred with which she
Speaker 1: looks at herself in the mirror, and that the really
Speaker 1: quiet performance because she's not in dialogue with anyone, no,
Speaker 1: but she carries this whole thing like you don't emotionally
Speaker 1: miss a second of it.
Speaker 2: It's purely about the interiority of this hatred that you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah with her, Yeah, that you're just like And also
Speaker 1: even just the way like to me's very long dark hair,
Speaker 1: Like there's something like really specific and dark about every
Speaker 1: frame of the movie. And she's the perfect center for
Speaker 1: it because of her lived experience, yes, that she brings
Speaker 1: in her acting, but also just like it just feels
Speaker 1: like this was the role she was born to, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the experiences that she's had like uniquely prepare her
Speaker 1: to take on this role. And then the casting of
Speaker 1: Margaret Quality too is like you'd fully believe that's her
Speaker 1: younger double, you believe that they occupy that same thing.
Speaker 1: And it's just great. It's just a great triumph all
Speaker 1: the way around, and the directing and the specificity of
Speaker 1: the shots.
Speaker 2: Oh well, that's what I'm saying, Like all these trunning references.
Speaker 2: You could not have asked for a better modernization of
Speaker 2: Dorian Gray it is. It even ups the any of
Speaker 2: that with the final act of the film, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: well that is the most perfect choice to have the
Speaker 2: story go there and then just show it on film. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love it. I love that movie.
Speaker 1: Thematically too, so interesting, Like the substance really speaks to
Speaker 1: like this new revival of Sunset Boulevard, which and then
Speaker 1: I seeing Last Showgirl it speaks to that, like just a.
Speaker 2: Lot of expl you you brought up baby Jane. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's it's all of these things. Yeah, And also I
Speaker 2: think people might bock.
Speaker 1: At the fact that it was like and also there's
Speaker 1: like tons of reasons tu bac whenever, like the Golden
Speaker 1: Globes word. However, the categorization goes in terms of the
Speaker 1: awards stuff, like you know, are these actual supporting actors like,
Speaker 1: is this really a comedy, et cetera. This is an
Speaker 1: amazing comedy. It's a great It is a total satire
Speaker 1: on exactly where we're at in the culture right now
Speaker 1: in the way that and and that's another thing too,
Speaker 1: is it's like, I'm sure it helps to be a
Speaker 1: woman of a certain age to really understand this, but
Speaker 1: we all know what it's like to look at ourselves
Speaker 1: and hate like what we see or like Because that's
Speaker 1: another thing to me talks a lot about in the
Speaker 1: press that she does for the movie is it's like
Speaker 1: so much of what rang true to her was the
Speaker 1: violence we do to ourselves. It's less about the messaging
Speaker 1: from the media and stuff and more about how we
Speaker 1: accept it, believe and act on those things. And that
Speaker 1: is I think what I recognized is like, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Is society is the extent, but it's not. It's you
Speaker 2: would be irresponsible to say that it's just that.
Speaker 1: No, it's like a red flag from society. But then
Speaker 1: like you have to take ownership over what you are
Speaker 1: doing and being like, Okay, this is good for me,
Speaker 1: this is bad for me. I can tell the difference,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you just fall too far. It's it's sad.
Speaker 1: I mean, even the last sequence of the movie is
Speaker 1: incredibly over the top. It's heartbreaking. I know, like there's
Speaker 1: just specifically one moment where there's like a little bit
Speaker 1: of dialogue from the character and it's sad. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: And then the last image of the movie is deeply
Speaker 1: heartbreaking but also so funny and genius. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we said, we said, Oscar Award, Academy
Speaker 1: Award speaking. Now, how are we gonna get Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City this season? In Emmy? It needs it needs something
Speaker 1: of Bell. Yeah, no Bell, Culture Award, the way that
Speaker 1: you can expect to see the house ris of Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City back at the Cultural Awards. This is this
Speaker 1: is part Feelings, two seasons in a row of tens.
Speaker 2: Tens, tens, tens tens.
Speaker 1: In television, the Brook actually was emotional in her reatch
Speaker 1: Did you watch her recap yet?
Speaker 2: I didn't know, But you know, we love Brook Ashley.
Speaker 1: First of all, Meredith marks for saying lies and spraying lies.
Speaker 1: You disgust me. I can't believe I had you in
Speaker 1: my home, my home, my home. Mary get her married.
Speaker 1: We haven't we it's been a several weeks, so we
Speaker 1: haven't been able to really impart. If you're if you're
Speaker 1: still not watching the House, I just all like saying,
Speaker 1: you're not doing life right.
Speaker 2: You're not doing life. The way I'm encouraging Matt to
Speaker 2: let go of this self identification is not being a
Speaker 2: horror fan.
Speaker 1: If you're not a.
Speaker 2: Bravo person, if you've identified as I'm not a Bravo person,
Speaker 2: you have permission to let that go. You are missing
Speaker 2: out on something truly special, can't you say?
Speaker 1: I would say bo? I would say, I think that again,
Speaker 1: like the way that they operate as a cast. Also,
Speaker 1: like put some respect on Brittany's name. Really is that crazy?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: I mean I was sending a video because I just
Speaker 1: love the safe placement of all of her anger and
Speaker 1: bring you guys, this is ridiculous. He's a singer I've
Speaker 1: never taped in my life. I've in shocked.
Speaker 2: I mean, her must return, she must return, and she
Speaker 2: she has earned her keep. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, how bored were we last night watching Potomac? Oh?
Speaker 1: It is?
Speaker 2: It's started off strong and now it's just boring and
Speaker 2: can we say sad and tragic? We wish Karen Hugar
Speaker 2: the best. This something is not timing out correctly if
Speaker 2: she has allegedly been in rehab for weeks but also
Speaker 2: was seen in Kathy Hilton's holiday party and she's missing
Speaker 2: the reunion anyway, that we're getting into, brast we're getting in.
Speaker 1: We just wish Karen the best, and because clearly there's
Speaker 1: not everything is right there. And so I honestly, well,
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the Housewives Universe, like and
Speaker 1: you're in it, you know that you probably saw the
Speaker 1: video of like her arrest after drunk driving, which was
Speaker 1: not the first time. And I just I don't really
Speaker 1: understand thinking you could plead not guilty based on what
Speaker 1: was became readily available to the public. But again, that
Speaker 1: just makes me feel like, clearly there's someone that really
Speaker 1: needs a lot of help, and if she's getting the
Speaker 1: help regardless of the situation.
Speaker 2: And then that is good and our commentary does not
Speaker 2: matter in that regard alway.
Speaker 1: Is this the script for challengers? Yeah? Gag Okay, so
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Speaker 1: and you are paid mine, well girl, and we expect
Speaker 1: this this would be a fabulous to read. You want
Speaker 1: to read it you want to borrow you actually do Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you already read it or you're not gonna?
Speaker 2: I have not read it, but it's been sitting there
Speaker 2: too long, you know what?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like you take it by the way. Not enough challengers
Speaker 1: in the Oscar just course, Seth Myers, And I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of parroting what Seth Myers just said
Speaker 1: to me an hour. We love him very well, love
Speaker 1: him and he actually I love him. He will be
Speaker 1: winning another.
Speaker 2: He will be winning another culture award.
Speaker 1: He said it.
Speaker 2: He was saying, Josh o'cnnor, where's all the love for him?
Speaker 1: Now? He's just gay baiting, he's crebating. How dare he?
Speaker 1: And I I'm retracting everything queer, Seth Myers, how dare
Speaker 1: you do this? You can't be all these things? And
Speaker 1: then be like look Bowen Yang in the eye and say,
Speaker 1: can't believe Josh O'Connor is not getting love? Like, how
Speaker 1: dare you? You're trying? And you don't think we thing
Speaker 1: on me? And you oh please, when I go to
Speaker 1: that show, I'm thinking he's the best. He is the
Speaker 1: best and effortless. And can I say when you go
Speaker 1: on that show, you get like a special card for you.
Speaker 2: Even penmanship.
Speaker 1: That's exactly why I brought it up. The man's penmanship
Speaker 1: is a late night host penmanship.
Speaker 2: A masculine yet classic, stylish, stylish thriller thrill.
Speaker 1: His penmanship is a stylish thriller.
Speaker 2: Stylish that's actually really culture number eighty eight set.
Speaker 1: Penmanship is a stylish thriller.
Speaker 2: You know that man has letters that are being kept
Speaker 2: in a book.
Speaker 1: I hope they're published one I hope they publish letters
Speaker 1: to Alexis God. You know, I just hope children. I
Speaker 1: hope that his letters are published. And what more, what
Speaker 1: more chic thing could you say about someone than that
Speaker 1: one day, you hope their letters are published. He was
Speaker 1: wearing a suit, I'm sure, and the entire room was like,
Speaker 1: my god, we're so not used to him being in
Speaker 1: a suit anymore, but god, he man. Man has never
Speaker 1: looked better in a suit. No, it's actually a shame
Speaker 1: for the world that he doesn't wear the suit every day.
Speaker 1: But you know what, though, he also can rock a
Speaker 1: crew neck sweater. It's not fair. I'm saying it's not
Speaker 1: fair for us, as crew next sweater wearers. We can't compete,
Speaker 1: But it's also not fair for us as an audience
Speaker 1: because we don't see him. We want to toggle back
Speaker 1: and forth. When he's wearing the suit, we want to
Speaker 1: see him in the sweater, when he's wearing this sweater,
Speaker 1: we want to see him in this suit. And it
Speaker 1: all comes down to the truth, which is we just
Speaker 1: want to see Seth Myers, period, bars bars. So was
Speaker 1: it just you and him today doing a photo show? No,
Speaker 1: it was many members.
Speaker 2: Of me, the great Seth Myers, the Great Kate McKinnon,
Speaker 2: the Great Leslie Jones, the Great Keenan Thompson, and the
Speaker 2: great Molly Shannon.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: It's funny, fun, good fun group. Nice collection. Yeah, how's Molly?
Speaker 2: Molly's so oh? She was asking about you, Molly. I
Speaker 2: mean we were comparing notes about Japan or Japan trips.
Speaker 1: She went with her family.
Speaker 2: She went a few years ago, but it's her favorite place.
Speaker 2: And my the thing I have trouble with is just
Speaker 2: remembering names in Japan especially, and she was just able
Speaker 2: to just rattle them off the top of her head.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that is a woman who knows so cute.
Speaker 2: She goes, you know, the hotels I booked fucking dot
Speaker 2: com like she was.
Speaker 1: Just booking dot com. I went on, there, Oh, how's
Speaker 1: how is he so good?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: Literally, she is so classic.
Speaker 3: How is your mother?
Speaker 1: That's good that you and your mother. It's great, it's
Speaker 1: really good, really good. Well, it's great that you guys
Speaker 1: are class. It really is. Oh really, isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? I said to him. I was like,
Speaker 1: I think that's so funny. That's so funny. Wait, I
Speaker 1: oh my god, that looks so good in a suit.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text her. Not a single word you telling
Speaker 1: us about your Japan trip. Jesus Christ. See, there were
Speaker 1: so many other things, and this is truly a comment
Speaker 1: on the speed of culture moving by us at such
Speaker 1: a pace. Please talk about your trip jap No, tell
Speaker 1: them everything you need to know because you were having
Speaker 1: such a fabulous time. I'm so happy.
Speaker 2: Was from the moment I got onto the Pokemon themed plane, Matt.
Speaker 1: Say, it bursts open.
Speaker 2: The seal on my. My whole life is led up
Speaker 2: to that trip.
Speaker 1: Not really the kind of person that's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: let me take a picture of the little accouterments on
Speaker 1: the plane. But I was like, you were taking a
Speaker 1: photo of every knickknack. That flight looked so cute and gorgeous.
Speaker 1: It was a cute, gorgeous flight, some of the best
Speaker 1: Foodioi kawaii.
Speaker 3: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Super cool? Super cute? I mean super cute, and well,
Speaker 1: you know, you go, you go to Japan and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get why Gwen did that? How could you not
Speaker 1: be obsessed with that? She was inspired.
Speaker 2: You walk through Harrazuku and you're like, I'm doing an album,
Speaker 2: but I'm doing an album about I'm doing a.
Speaker 1: Big pop record about this, Like that song is a plus?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I just so.
Speaker 2: What were the highlights? The highlights? I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: tough to cut it together.
Speaker 1: Sean Baker.
Speaker 3: I am not.
Speaker 1: I cannot edit this down, but it is. It was
Speaker 1: literally like the moment.
Speaker 2: I got there, I get a text from Eric Knumb, wonderful,
Speaker 2: wonderful artist person. He's just like, oh my god, you're
Speaker 2: in Tokyo, like Otsgo Okotsko, the legend form here. Otsogo
Speaker 2: and Ronnie Chang are here. We're doing karaoke tonight, come
Speaker 2: and meet us.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: We go to Shinjuku, Me and my friend Jake, who's
Speaker 2: there shout out to Jake. If you're in Williamsburg, if
Speaker 2: you need a nice short men's haircut. The guy's boat.
Speaker 2: He's busy, but kiju check out a salon. Hands down
Speaker 2: the best vibe in Williamsburg of any place. Did karaoke
Speaker 2: with them? A little eleven year old boy was that?
Speaker 2: Ronnie Cheg's eleven year old nephew was there. This boy
Speaker 2: who freaked out when he saw Eric Nam because he
Speaker 2: loves K pop. He loves Eric Nahm freaked out. We
Speaker 2: all sang there was a full back line. Monica. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Monica. Our friend Monica took us to a
Speaker 2: pro wrestling match, not a sumo match, a pro wrestling
Speaker 2: match in the Tokyo Dome, which is also where Taylor
Speaker 2: Arrow's tour. And the entire time I was thinking Taylor
Speaker 2: was just there there, I mean all of it, just
Speaker 2: going to just seeing the sights of the shopping, Oh
Speaker 2: Joshua at the Orally store. We got a beautiful experience there.
Speaker 2: I mean the food. It's like France, It's like they
Speaker 2: hold in highest regard their culture, like in terms of
Speaker 2: like the film and the television, like think about like
Speaker 2: just think about like Japanese film and like, like the
Speaker 2: caliber of that, the food, the hospitality, the fashion, it's
Speaker 2: all very French. It's like they're they're likes the French
Speaker 2: and that they like really care about this shit and
Speaker 2: making sure it's delightful.
Speaker 1: And oh, we have to go, we have to go.
Speaker 2: We're going for my birthday period and we're going, and
Speaker 2: you know what, And I was sad about that. I
Speaker 2: that I canceled my last minute Disney Sea trip because
Speaker 2: it just there just wasn't enough time and it was
Speaker 2: just stressful. It was like the busiest domestic travel time
Speaker 2: in Japan is New Year's Week because everyone has work off.
Speaker 2: But I was like, no, this is better because the.
Speaker 1: First time I go to Disney Cea in Disneyland and
Speaker 1: Universal Studios ASAKA will be with my sister. Let's block
Speaker 1: out like a lot joey time. Yeah. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: in the beginning of remember or.
Speaker 2: End of October, I don't need to do Halloween in
Speaker 2: the States.
Speaker 1: Girl who does ooh, none of you do? None of
Speaker 1: you do? Think about it. When they keep saying Christmas
Speaker 1: gets longer, I said, yeah, I hope it eats Halloween
Speaker 1: right up that way. I can get started earlier, make
Speaker 1: more coin, make even more coin than I ever have.
Speaker 1: I'm coming for you coming September, the month of August.
Speaker 1: Slipt away like a bottle of wine because I'm drinking it.
Speaker 1: The prints of Christmas, Bitch.
Speaker 2: We haven't reflected. We have reflected on post prints of
Speaker 2: Christmas store, haven't we?
Speaker 1: Actually? Well, First, I want to say it was the
Speaker 1: best it ever was. And I know I said this
Speaker 1: at the end, and I was really looking forward at
Speaker 1: the end. It was kind of it wasn't even bittersweet
Speaker 1: to end it because I was like, we fucking nailed it.
Speaker 1: I'm so in love with my band and those boys, Henry, Ethan,
Speaker 1: Jordan and Derek, love them the best time. If I'm
Speaker 1: already booking for next year, here we go. Truly, I
Speaker 1: will figure out ways to make it even better next year. Wow,
Speaker 1: it's hard to top hard to topo like me in
Speaker 1: my late twenties. Yeah, I mean that's true. But anyway, like, okay,
Speaker 1: speaking of it wasn't hard to tap me at all
Speaker 1: in Miami, even after my accident. I haven't talked about
Speaker 1: this on the pod.
Speaker 2: You were throwing neck after the accident.
Speaker 1: Babe, So I finished the tour, I go home for
Speaker 1: a few days to Long Island to be with the folks. Yes,
Speaker 1: And then I go to Miami thinking, actually, like we've
Speaker 1: planned it enough where it can be like kind of
Speaker 1: a low key Miami trip. Get there. No one realized
Speaker 1: it was gay Circuit week. So I go that night
Speaker 1: to a party. I'm not gonna say where. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say what party because I don't want to cause
Speaker 1: any trouble. Oh oh, there were wet stairs. I absolutely
Speaker 1: bit itch on some stairs, landed on my tailbone. I
Speaker 1: know secondhand. You guys are probably win sing and in
Speaker 1: pain hearing me talk about this. Yeah, it was bad,
Speaker 1: Bruce tailbone. At the very least, it honestly may be broken. No,
Speaker 1: because it's actually been two weeks now. Oh yeah, Matt,
Speaker 1: two weeks now, almost to the day. Yeah almost, Michael, No, yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was two weeks when it happened, and it's still
Speaker 1: Actually I worked out for the very first time today
Speaker 1: at Berry's, just to see what I was capable of.
Speaker 1: Can't do abs or anything where you use like that
Speaker 1: part of your body as like a folkrum, because it's
Speaker 1: it's still very painful, And can I.
Speaker 2: Ask you did not see a professional, not yet, because
Speaker 2: that's what Michael Fisher was asking me this morning. He
Speaker 2: was like, but did Matt. Has Matt gone to see someone?
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So it is getting better. It is getting better, but
Speaker 1: the thing is with a tailbone thing. And first of all,
Speaker 1: I know, I love you readers and medical professionals that
Speaker 1: are going to reach out. I really am okay. It's
Speaker 1: just discomfort. Like there's nothing you can really do for
Speaker 1: a tailbone bruise or even break. You kind of just
Speaker 1: have to wait it out. And I'm okay. It's just
Speaker 1: uncomfortable to sit or lay down on your back, which
Speaker 1: is like kind of your favorite activity, really, my favorite
Speaker 1: stuff to do. After I've like completed the tour and
Speaker 1: New Year's I got back and I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh god. And so it's been a very uncomfortable couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. But I will say it did not stop
Speaker 1: me from getting it in.
Speaker 2: That's amazing. I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1: I am too. When there's a will and there was
Speaker 1: a big way, and there was a big way. I
Speaker 1: I've been like another horny era. Great, are you maybe
Speaker 1: expanded like it's been presented oh, like opportunities have presented
Speaker 1: themselves in New York.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, And I'm like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could take it or leave it. I could
Speaker 1: take it or I shouldn't. That's actually powerful. I know.
Speaker 2: I wish I was more enthusiastic about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like that about it. But it's the holidays, you know.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I feel like I can like I mean,
Speaker 2: this is such toxic thinking, but I'm like, give me
Speaker 2: another month to like get myself right, just in terms
Speaker 2: of like I'm still bouncing back from the holidays and
Speaker 2: this trip honestly where I'm like, let me actually not
Speaker 2: be a dog, you know what I mean, because.
Speaker 1: You were just doing a lot of scheduled stuff. I
Speaker 1: honestly feel like the second dating becomes like, you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of activities or like things on the schedule,
Speaker 1: like let's pull it back. Who even knows where they're at? Totally,
Speaker 1: I don't know where I'm at. I thought I was
Speaker 1: last year. All throughout the year, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I really want a boyfriend again. I want a boyfriend again.
Speaker 1: And now I'm like, maybe you don't, like maybe that
Speaker 1: was just something you were telling yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know I'm still in husband search, but.
Speaker 1: If he shows up, I would love that. But you
Speaker 1: can't just marry anybody. You can't think you can. But wait,
Speaker 1: I think I had a dream the other night that
Speaker 1: I got married. Really yeah, I had like a dream
Speaker 1: that I got full on marry or was it amazing
Speaker 1: or was it like whoa No? The whole time I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, what why did I do that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: to a woman?
Speaker 2: Maybe, Oh that's fun.
Speaker 1: Definitely recently, this is now coming to my mind. There
Speaker 1: was definitely a dream recently where I got married to
Speaker 1: a woman.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it was like a whole thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: how are we going to make this work? You'll make
Speaker 1: it work, I guess.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else before we get into I mean
Speaker 1: literally there are other things? But traders? Oh? Loving the traders?
Speaker 1: I will say I did not. So we had heard
Speaker 1: a false spoiler.
Speaker 2: We heard a false spoiler, and I think it was
Speaker 2: falsely relayed by the person.
Speaker 1: Let's just say. Let's just say we had heard a
Speaker 1: false spoiler at the Culture Awards that and we won't
Speaker 1: say who relayed the message, but we had heard a
Speaker 1: false spoiler that Bob the Drag Queen was out first.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not true and that is certainly not true
Speaker 1: and not even out first of all. Okay, spoiler aler
Speaker 1: for the Traders. Bob the Drag Queen is one of
Speaker 1: the Traders, Yes, and I love it as a choice. Yes.
Speaker 1: I don't know Danielle from Big Brother too much. I
Speaker 1: know a lot about Carolyn of course, and obviously Rob
Speaker 1: Mariano Boston. Rob is a full reality television legend. I
Speaker 1: think the cast actually is better overall this year than
Speaker 1: last year. Oh sure, because it feels like they're playing
Speaker 1: the game and less like on a reality shit. Yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I think there is what a fun opportunity for a
Speaker 2: course correction in terms of like a collective like this
Speaker 2: cast is decided. Maybe they were given a note or something,
Speaker 2: but like really play the game this time and don't
Speaker 2: weren't necessarily worry about like the drama.
Speaker 1: Right of it. Yeah, and I think that that is
Speaker 1: to this season's benefit. Yeah, who are you rooting for?
Speaker 1: Rooting for Bob? We love Bob, so you're rooting for
Speaker 1: the Traders.
Speaker 2: I'm reading for the Traders because and I love Carolyn
Speaker 2: so much, and I think Carolyn is playing it right.
Speaker 1: Carolyn is doing You're right. Danielle and Bob, I mean
Speaker 1: they're both doing too much.
Speaker 2: They're doing too much, but which we still root for them.
Speaker 2: Who else, Chrischelle. We love seeing Rischelle on to win
Speaker 2: the show. Oh so that's what you're rooting for. You're
Speaker 2: you're rooting for the face pal, So.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for her. Yeah. And of course Dolors Cotanna
Speaker 1: my number one, You're number.
Speaker 2: One, and I love Dolores here as well.
Speaker 1: Dolores.
Speaker 2: I just I just want to put out there that
Speaker 2: based on this them video that Matt and I did,
Speaker 2: it made it seem like I was an anti Dolores.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: No, I think you were just surprised.
Speaker 2: I was just surprised that your number one housewife was Dolores,
Speaker 2: And I said Dolores, and then maybe that made her
Speaker 2: think that or people think that I don't like her.
Speaker 1: I think you were surprised to hear me say that
Speaker 1: Dolores Cantania was my favorite housewife of all time, which
Speaker 1: I can understand because I don't think I'm like always
Speaker 1: spouting out about Dolores because and I think it's precisely
Speaker 1: why she's my number one. Is because she very on television.
Speaker 1: She reminds me of all my mom's friends.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so beautiful. But how what about this statement
Speaker 2: Meredith Marks because I think, especially after last week on
Speaker 2: Salt Lake, one of the best housewives.
Speaker 1: Of there's enough.
Speaker 2: There's no question she's had enough seasons under about now
Speaker 2: five where she's done consistently great work.
Speaker 1: Where I go, she is one of the altar. She's
Speaker 1: done iconic things in every season. Yep, she's done iconic
Speaker 1: things in every season. And again we say this with
Speaker 1: equal love for friend of the Pod Angie Katsanevas and
Speaker 1: Heather Gay and Whitney.
Speaker 2: Rose and I just I love these women. These I
Speaker 2: will miss these women so much. It's not over yet,
Speaker 2: but I'm counting it to. It's like, we've got finale
Speaker 2: this week, and then we've got, you know, three reunions.
Speaker 3: I heard.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing I heard. We have a phenomenal
Speaker 1: finale and a really really really Andy said stellar reunion.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: And they looked good. They looked great. I love the
Speaker 2: pink in the red. I do hope Miami comes back
Speaker 2: with the force. I need them, I need to have this.
Speaker 2: It's the sphere of empty. I need to had that
Speaker 2: empty filled up once they once Salt Lake leaves, Meredith
Speaker 2: Mark's absolutely is making the is just on the on
Speaker 2: the Mount rush More.
Speaker 1: Oh certainly mean Meredith is just like.
Speaker 2: From episode one or two of I'm Disengaging, Like the
Speaker 2: hits keep coming. I think next Ultimate Girl's Trip, we
Speaker 2: do need to have Meredith Meredith like Meredith there and
Speaker 2: also Lisa has earned it too, like Lisa. First of
Speaker 2: you know what I noticed about Lisa Barlow, the character
Speaker 2: game that she plays like is so strong.
Speaker 1: She every single time she gives you exactly what you
Speaker 1: if you were to logically sit down and be like,
Speaker 1: what's Lisa Barlow gonna do? She does it every single time,
Speaker 1: and it's always satisfying. It just feels so deceived. Literally,
Speaker 1: the first scene of this is her sitting down to
Speaker 1: text everyone, I'm really thinking about last night and how
Speaker 1: I was wronged, like not taking a kind of you
Speaker 1: over anything, not not that in that situation she particularly
Speaker 1: needed to, but like she goes, I know we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about it on the way to ATV, and
Speaker 1: then she explains she chose ATV because she googled luxury
Speaker 1: activities all that mattered to her was that it was
Speaker 1: a luxury activity, not that it made sense for them.
Speaker 1: I said, that's housewifery and at the same time to
Speaker 1: have a diet of trash. I mean, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just it's it's a great couldn't write a better person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless her name was Elizabeth Sparkle, unless her name was
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Sparkle, unless I thought you werena say Eliza, her
Speaker 1: name was Elizabeth what's her face? From Anatomy of Elizabeth Finlabeth?
Speaker 1: She too. You couldn't write Peacock give it up for Peacock.
Speaker 1: Do you wonder what else I watched? This is not
Speaker 1: on Peacock, but I watched you might love this. Actually,
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer, there's a two episodes that guy.
Speaker 2: Not not Jerry, but that producer who came in.
Speaker 1: I mean that Actually it has major implications on the culture,
Speaker 1: of course, like it made trash populist, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, or revealed the appetite that people would have
Speaker 1: for tabloidy sensational types of stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, And it's like Roman colosseum sense, it's like
Speaker 2: primal It's this thing that like human beings will respond to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that ultimately opens the door to Trump. And it
Speaker 1: all started with that kick a K episode. Insane And
Speaker 1: also I actually didn't know that one of the episodes
Speaker 1: led to a horrific murder, right, and keep watching it
Speaker 1: because by the end of the second episode you're like sad.
Speaker 1: But I do think there's something about that show that
Speaker 1: is like important and speaks to the culture and why
Speaker 1: we're at where we're at.
Speaker 2: I always viewed Springer as like, I mean, obviously, it's
Speaker 2: like a distressing troublesome I'll say the word even though
Speaker 2: I'm slightly rolling my eyes, like problematic show, right, But
Speaker 2: I was always comforted. But like Jerry Springer knew how
Speaker 2: to like ring it in at the end and be
Speaker 2: like this was the message of this episode and take
Speaker 2: care of yourselves and each.
Speaker 1: Way that way to smooth it over at the end.
Speaker 1: I mean it's but yeah.
Speaker 2: It's an important alleviating thing that he understood he had
Speaker 2: to do at the end of each other. And that
Speaker 2: was his catchphrase when he was a news anchor. Did
Speaker 2: not realize he was a professor, right, he was like
Speaker 2: a professor. He's a fascinating past well, he was read off.
Speaker 2: He was a mayor, he was the mayor.
Speaker 1: Of them of Oh my god, yeah, that of that
Speaker 1: town right anyway, I don't know either, but he was
Speaker 1: like he had a very interesting background. And then Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: I think, right or something like that. But then he
Speaker 1: became a host of a daytime show. And it's funny
Speaker 1: because I don't know if you've gotten to this point,
Speaker 1: but they show like the first or second episode of
Speaker 1: his show, and it was literally like so miltos, it
Speaker 1: was like what everyone else was doing, like Phildonna here,
Speaker 1: and they were like literally like number eighteen of nineteen
Speaker 1: shows in daytime and they were like, Okay, we need
Speaker 1: to drastically change this. Let's try this other flavor of programming.
Speaker 1: And then obviously the rest is history, but fascinating.
Speaker 2: But Springer was like a huge part of my day
Speaker 2: when I would like when I would like because we
Speaker 2: didn't have cable, as I say, and so huge part
Speaker 2: of my day growing up when I would like stay homesick, wow,
Speaker 2: because they would just play it back to.
Speaker 1: Bath and your parents didn't come in and were like
Speaker 1: turn this off by the time they got home. It
Speaker 1: was just right right at home.
Speaker 2: Or my sister, but like you know, we wouldn't be sick.
Speaker 2: At the same time, I would just like be sitting
Speaker 2: at home in the summers especially, I would just like
Speaker 2: be at home watching Springer and then it would go
Speaker 2: from Springer to Bob Ross, Like what a fucking wildlash.
Speaker 1: I could never get anything past my parents, like it was.
Speaker 1: And then randomly they gave me a TV in my
Speaker 1: room in high school, and I was like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is a wild swing left because I was just watching
Speaker 1: like remember when E. You don't remember because you didn't
Speaker 1: have cable, but E would show Howard Stern. Oh, this
Speaker 1: is like the era of Anna Nicole Smith and like
Speaker 1: Howard Stern like being on E. And so I watched
Speaker 1: so much garbage and trash, Like at the time, how
Speaker 1: I filed it away in my brain. Now I love
Speaker 1: Howard Sterne because he's rebranded. But it was just so funny.
Speaker 1: I was a sheltered person in terms, like they would
Speaker 1: never ever allow me to watch South Park. Oh, to
Speaker 1: the point where I started to be afraid of the show. Okay,
Speaker 1: like like it was like a trauma. It was like
Speaker 1: a trigger. Whenever it was on. My cousins would watch
Speaker 1: it and I'd be like.
Speaker 2: I can't watch this, so then were you were you ever?
Speaker 2: Have you ever been a south Park guy? I should
Speaker 2: honestly get into it now. It's pretty because.
Speaker 1: I know the movie man, I love Trey Parker and
Speaker 1: Matt Stone.
Speaker 2: I know the movie is amazing. And also there's some
Speaker 2: episodes of south Park that are like, yeah, just hot,
Speaker 2: just pure brilliant comedy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But at the time, because it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the things that they said, and like, of course the
Speaker 1: Kenny dying of it all, my parents were just like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't watch that. Do you've watched the the episode
Speaker 1: where they have the or at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: scram for how many times they say? Fuck?
Speaker 2: No, that's an amazing episode because it just it goes
Speaker 2: somewhere brilliant. Did you ever watch the Vadgis Still episode?
Speaker 1: Oh, I've not seen any of it? Were Cartman?
Speaker 2: Cartman becomes like a better runner, he becomes you. This
Speaker 2: is south Park for me was I was in the
Speaker 2: third grade in Canada and me and my friends, I
Speaker 2: mean somehow these like I was able to watch south
Speaker 2: episodes of south Park at home. My parents were like,
Speaker 2: what is this so whatever, Like they couldn't totally understand
Speaker 2: why it was vulgar, like a dialogue were the vulgar things.
Speaker 2: But then my friends and I in the third grade,
Speaker 2: like these like French Canadian middle class working class kids,
Speaker 2: like I guess their parents loved South Park two or
Speaker 2: something and they would watch South Park at home. And
Speaker 2: then we just all thought we were the south Park
Speaker 2: kids because we were like in a cold town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like bundled. It was like a weird one to
Speaker 1: one there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was like this like fat kid and he
Speaker 2: was like, I'm Cartman. And then we all loved it
Speaker 2: so much. And then when I had to move, when
Speaker 2: I told everyone I was moving to Colorado, they were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're gonna be We're going to south
Speaker 2: Park and it was this huge and so we're going
Speaker 2: down South. So then going to Colorado with South Park
Speaker 2: on the brain, it was just like the only thing
Speaker 2: that made like the move to Colorado was so complicated
Speaker 2: by like John Manny Ramsay and Columne and then but
Speaker 2: then south Park was this other like contour to it
Speaker 2: where it was like but at least it's like it's
Speaker 2: it's where all these weird things happen, and that is true,
Speaker 2: like Colorado is a weird place.
Speaker 1: Like it has all like.
Speaker 2: The bizarre shit that would go down in Florida, but
Speaker 2: with like this like hippie dippy.
Speaker 1: Counterweight to it.
Speaker 2: I fucking love south Park so much, and we need
Speaker 2: to watch some classic episodes and the movie one of
Speaker 2: Sondheim's favorite musicals.
Speaker 1: Really, he said that, I feel like we've talked about
Speaker 1: this on the podcast. I probably he's somewhere on the record.
Speaker 2: He was like, that is one of the best musicals
Speaker 2: and one of the best movie musicals ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll never forget. I actually did.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: I have seen that movie many times because I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. For some reason, I've seen the movie
Speaker 1: a bunch like and I downloaded a lot of this
Speaker 1: should jugging face, Like I used to listen to that
Speaker 1: all the time. But also blame Canada performance the Oscars
Speaker 1: I remember being unforgettable.
Speaker 2: And it's also because the actress who played Kyle's mom,
Speaker 2: soon after the south Park movie came out, took her
Speaker 2: own life. There's a lot of like south Park is really,
Speaker 2: I mean, god, it's still going like it's such an
Speaker 2: important piece of culture literally, and like it's so funny
Speaker 2: that we haven't talked about this before on the show.
Speaker 1: I think it's because it's a weird blind spot for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my parents might. They weren't helicoptery, but they were just
Speaker 1: sensitive to like I couldn't watch MTV and I could
Speaker 1: not watch south Park. Uh huh hard no, And it
Speaker 1: literally it weirdly made me fill those spaces and with
Speaker 1: other things that's interesting that I think does inform my culture.
Speaker 1: One which was the.
Speaker 2: And then what's the standard for south Park? You think
Speaker 2: like the Simpsons at least, but I'm not even a Simpsons,
Speaker 2: Like was it?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I watched a lot of like I watched a
Speaker 1: lot of Nickelodeon. I watched a lot of Nickelodeon and
Speaker 1: Disney Channel, like I was. It's interesting to see those
Speaker 1: things get relitigated, huh, because you're like, oh, like you're
Speaker 1: like absolutely, this is crazy, right right right, It's interesting
Speaker 1: like children's programming at the time, And you know what
Speaker 1: I'll say about south Park, at least they weren't pretending
Speaker 1: to be for totally like a lot of this other
Speaker 1: shit that was like explicitly marketed to kids, and it
Speaker 1: was all fucked up and really endangering the people the
Speaker 1: kids that were performing that stuff, Like at least that
Speaker 1: weren't like it wasn't like nefarious like South Park was
Speaker 1: what it was. It never pretended to not be totally.
Speaker 1: I know, there's like a there's like a genius security
Speaker 1: to that of intention. And to bring it back to Peacock,
Speaker 1: great documentary on Peacock came out already.
Speaker 2: I thought it was new, but it already apparently came
Speaker 2: out a couple of years ago called I Love You
Speaker 2: You Hate Me about Barney Oh, and about the culture
Speaker 2: of Barney bashing that I didn't really fully know about,
Speaker 2: but I remember growing up like, oh, it was like
Speaker 2: cool to hate Barney. It was like punk rocke Well
Speaker 2: because it was so popular. But not only that, but
Speaker 2: because it's the one of the actress from Blues Clues.
Speaker 2: They interview him and he his theory is the reason
Speaker 2: there was such a crazy collective anger towards Barney was
Speaker 2: that it was targeted towards three year olds, specifically, right,
Speaker 2: and like the creative Barney was this mother who wanted
Speaker 2: a show for her son and it came in the
Speaker 2: form of Barney because he was obsessed with dinosaurs. And
Speaker 2: I mean, Barney is pure I love you, you can
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 1: We love each other.
Speaker 2: It's the messaging is so smooth brained and it's there's
Speaker 2: no nuance to it. And the guy who's in Blue
Speaker 2: Schools was like all great children's programming has broken people
Speaker 2: and broken characters in it, like Sesame Street, like yeah,
Speaker 2: Burton or like especially Burt broken person, even Oscar the
Speaker 2: Grouch he broke, Like there are these complex emotional Cookie
Speaker 2: is a drug addict. Cookie is a drug like but
Speaker 2: not know though, you know what I mean. Like the
Speaker 2: like children's programming when it's done well and it's for
Speaker 2: a large age demographic, it is like these com emotionally
Speaker 2: complex characters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really interesting point. And like the same
Speaker 1: with Big Bird is like a little bit depressed. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he is depressed. There's there are these like layers to it.
Speaker 1: Barney was clean up.
Speaker 2: Pure, clean up, pure, like aha, everything is happy, and
Speaker 2: so that drives anyone outside of that age demo insane
Speaker 2: because they're like, that's not how the world is. And
Speaker 2: a lot of parents were jealous that their kids loved
Speaker 2: Barney more than them. So then it began this entire
Speaker 2: culture around Barney and like burning Barney effigies like it's
Speaker 2: it was a whole thing in the nineties. WHOA, this
Speaker 2: is a great documentary.
Speaker 1: I have to watch. You have to watch. I love
Speaker 1: We also have to do our own documentary on the
Speaker 1: Barney to Amelia Pettes Pipeline. Yes, that is Selina's autobiography
Speaker 1: and Demi.
Speaker 2: Demi Levado was was it was?
Speaker 1: It was Demi Lovado.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting that we're gonna we actually
Speaker 1: are writing a film.
Speaker 2: About the Barney to Amelia.
Speaker 1: About the Barney to Amelia Petas Pipeline, yes, and how
Speaker 1: you get from one to the other. I do think
Speaker 1: Carlos Sofia Gascon is incredible, extremely versatile performance and demanding performance.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I think I think she did a cover recently for
Speaker 2: a magazine where it was like the movie has inspired
Speaker 2: a lot of love and hate, Carlos going right on.
Speaker 1: Both woo like that's kind of shake. Yeah, that takes
Speaker 1: have been very strong on them.
Speaker 3: Movie. Yeah, Yeah, shall we do?
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, let's do I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey. Here we go first. I don't think so
Speaker 1: honey of the New Year. But one thing that hasn't
Speaker 1: changed is what I don't think, so honey, is it's
Speaker 1: a one minute segment where we take sixty seconds, which
Speaker 1: actually is a minute if you think about it, even
Speaker 1: for more than one second, which is just one sixtieth
Speaker 1: of a minute, where we rant and rave against something
Speaker 1: in pop culture that we are not jamming on. And
Speaker 1: I actually I think I want to put something to
Speaker 1: bed right here on the episode. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: This is Matt Rogers putting something to bed in his
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey any more jokes about holding space.
Speaker 1: It's a new year. Turn the page. Literally, Nikki Glazer
Speaker 1: four up those golden globes. We're so proud of you.
Speaker 1: She did the last holding space joke. Beat her. You
Speaker 1: can't beat that. You can't beat Tonight we celebrate movies
Speaker 1: and hold space for television. That is the last holding
Speaker 1: space joke. And now it's becoming a thing where it's
Speaker 1: like people are like, who are holding space? And that's
Speaker 1: taking the space of a joke, just saying holding space
Speaker 1: is not a joke. So we need to really think
Speaker 1: about do we want to continue this narrative. The answer
Speaker 1: has to be no, all respect to everyone involved. Was
Speaker 1: a fun moment, but holding space jokes are done. We
Speaker 1: are no longer holding space for them. Even that was
Speaker 1: too much, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you were just using it in a sentence.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think, so honey, anymore humor about this
Speaker 1: because it actually isn't joke humor and I don't think,
Speaker 1: so honey, humor over jokes. Hard jokes only go Nikki.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute you put it too bad, done,
Speaker 2: It's done. You lowered the casket because.
Speaker 1: Nicki Glazer, We're so proud of you. We're so proud
Speaker 1: of you. Girl. That's on your gig ongoing because they
Speaker 1: will have you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're you're coming back because that that's how
Speaker 2: it works. Because best case scenario, if you kill at
Speaker 2: hosting an awards show, they go do it again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that is kind of great, but also torture.
Speaker 1: Shout out. Matt Whitaker wrote on the show, just so great.
Speaker 1: And I have to say what my favorite bit of
Speaker 1: the whole thing was popular, and that was from the
Speaker 1: brain of Matt. I love popular, I love what I started.
Speaker 1: I love that. The bit was what it sucks? This sucks?
Speaker 1: What do you mean this sucks? But she sounded good.
Speaker 1: She rocks. Nikki, you don't just see Taylor Swift twenty
Speaker 1: two times. It was it twenty two. You don't just
Speaker 1: see Taylor that many times and don't have your shit
Speaker 1: together for your era's moment, of course.
Speaker 2: And I just love the way Nikki, Let's say, justifies
Speaker 2: going to see the Earth Store twenty two times. She's like,
Speaker 2: I don't have a kid. I don't go to nice
Speaker 2: re restaurants. I don't I don't buy handbags or luxury clothes.
Speaker 2: I go to This is how I choose to spend
Speaker 2: my money. I went six off, go off to you,
Speaker 2: my sister, to spend your money however you want to
Speaker 2: make yourself happy, and I will continue to do that as.
Speaker 1: Long as other people are not suffering because of that.
Speaker 1: You're fine.
Speaker 2: If you're not gambling your life away, if you're not
Speaker 2: taking your money for your child, partner, whatever, do whatever
Speaker 2: you want with it. I took myself to Japan, which
Speaker 2: you know, and I have no fucking regrets.
Speaker 1: No, and nor should you, nor should you ever, not ever,
Speaker 1: not ever, And I hope the same is true after
Speaker 1: you do this. I don't think so, honey. I have
Speaker 1: a kind of specific one.
Speaker 2: But I think I think we all have experienced this,
Speaker 2: and I hope, I hope this is legible. And that's
Speaker 2: a bad sign, right, I hope this reads you.
Speaker 1: I think you said, I think this is something we've
Speaker 1: all experienced, and you hope it's legible. Yep, I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it. This is Bowen Yang's I think,
Speaker 1: so honey, as time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey Instagram or TikTok ads that
Speaker 2: are staged as like a fake podcast.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm talking about where it's like
Speaker 2: two people and I might be like, I just tried
Speaker 2: this new creating gummy what's it called. It's it's so
Speaker 2: clearly staged, it's so clearly actors. It's like I'm learning
Speaker 2: a new language with this.
Speaker 1: I just, first of all, I don't like podcasts being
Speaker 1: used as advertising material period. Believe it or not, Matt
Speaker 1: and I have been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1: Thirty seconds.
Speaker 2: It's so funny to be It's an interesting time in podcasts, right,
Speaker 2: because I would not say you and I are like
Speaker 2: podcasters in the way that like podcasters denote something. Now,
Speaker 2: we're not like in the manisphere. We are not quite
Speaker 2: in like I don't know, we're like not quite like
Speaker 2: a showbiz podcast, but we're not quite like a pop
Speaker 2: culture comedy podcast anymore. We defy categorization. And I don't
Speaker 2: like it when people use our form and medium to
Speaker 2: create to try to sell and ship for bullshit.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. The amount of ads we have
Speaker 1: to do after this is so crazy.
Speaker 2: That's different. That's so that we can keep the lights
Speaker 2: on for us.
Speaker 1: If someone is aping our shit to fake like an
Speaker 1: organic conversation about how much they love to use like
Speaker 1: a UV phone sanitizer, that's weird to me. My god,
Speaker 1: all those words. But you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: do that. That's what. That's why it isn't like anything
Speaker 1: fake and anyway, it's like stupid, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: This is a thing. And I know for a fact
Speaker 2: that people are experiencing this on their scrolls. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a weird fucking thing. Why are we pretending
Speaker 2: that this is a podcast?
Speaker 1: Well probably also like who knows if it even is
Speaker 1: actual human beings doing it, Like oh the AI. We
Speaker 1: want to say thank you to whoever it was that
Speaker 1: voted for us to be nominated or the iHeart Podcast
Speaker 1: of the Year. Thank you, thank you so much. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we might win a second time. We might be like
Speaker 1: Hillary Swank, oh my god, or think about that Merrill. Well.
Speaker 1: I hope that people stop thinking. I really hope people.
Speaker 1: Do you have any resolutions? I think we're over we're
Speaker 1: too old. Do I have any resolutions? Honestly? My resolution
Speaker 1: I think I had one, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: it's always like pretty vague. It's like care less what
Speaker 1: people think. Sure, I think I need to keep doing
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Keep doing what you're doing. That's that's
Speaker 1: my resolution.
Speaker 2: Don't change a thing. I wouldn't change a thing, neither
Speaker 2: would I have or you, honey. My resolution is my
Speaker 2: year long project is to make this playlist that I
Speaker 2: just want to have on while I'm cooking, cleaning.
Speaker 1: A life playlist. It's not a life.
Speaker 2: It's called my nighttime playlist, and it's like my wine
Speaker 2: down like good because I was just in every bar
Speaker 2: in Japan I was at, and I didn't go to
Speaker 2: that many, but there was just like there's so many
Speaker 2: nights where I would just be like and like just
Speaker 2: the most beautifully decorated place and the vibes were just
Speaker 2: sublime and the music was like an El Fitzgerald song
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: I was just like, Oh, I need to like curated.
Speaker 2: I need it, but I need to like draw this
Speaker 2: out for my own life. I need like fun international music.
Speaker 2: Not that elephants drawers internace, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like it was just like I just want like music
Speaker 2: to live.
Speaker 1: To just I think that is it sounds so silly.
Speaker 1: I think there is a definish chance that you will
Speaker 1: create this. I think there is a definish chance. We
Speaker 1: didn't name this episode. That's kind of beautiful.
Speaker 2: What if untitled?
Speaker 1: Oh? Untitled? Fine, what do we do? What do we
Speaker 1: call it? Throwing Neck? Throwing Neck?
Speaker 2: This is episode one, throwing Throwing Neck our ninth year.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a podcast twenty sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty one,
Speaker 1: two three four Yeah this oh five?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like if you but it's it has
Speaker 2: not been a full decade, Like it'll be a decade
Speaker 2: when we hit twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: March twenty twenty six, we have to throw a big
Speaker 1: party for our ten year anniversary. Where should we have it? Hooters?
Speaker 1: I think there is a definition chance then we will
Speaker 1: have it at Hooters. Oh my god, that will be amazing.
Speaker 1: That'll be amazing the time score Hooters. Is there one
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. There's one in Toronto. We can
Speaker 1: do that. Oh, we could do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one. I think there is a
Speaker 2: definition chance. Should we call it definition? Should we call
Speaker 2: this a definition chance? Or throwing neck?
Speaker 1: Throwing neck? Throwing neck? People will love to see that. Oh,
Speaker 1: you have me to throw neck, You have me to
Speaker 1: throw neck. And before anyone jumps on our case, we've
Speaker 1: given credit to Delta work million times popularizing the phrase.
Speaker 3: And we need.
Speaker 2: Delta work on the podcast. Delta work on the podcast.
Speaker 2: Now we need Delta work to me more.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: And Cookie Monster and Cookie Monster look for those Hmmm,
Speaker 2: I think that's a good that's a residute.
Speaker 1: Look for the heroes. Look for the helpers, Look for
Speaker 1: the helpers. We end every episode of the song.
Speaker 4: Many years I've waited for a gift like yours to
Speaker 4: up Why I predict the Wizard may make you Lee's
Speaker 4: magic grandvisy. I'll write at once to the Wizard, tell him.
Speaker 5: Advance with the talents like yours. There is Jeff in
Speaker 5: the sands. If you work like you as.
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Speaker 3: A moment of culture.
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