Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Deadpool and Wolverines, various
Speaker 1: comic book appearances and team ups with each other and
Speaker 1: with other characters, both in their own titles and guest appearances,
Speaker 1: So be warned, be warned to be talking about that stuff. Hello,
Speaker 1: my name is Jasonncepcion.
Speaker 2: And I'm Rosday Night, and welcome back to X.
Speaker 1: Ray Visions week long coverage of all things Pool that's
Speaker 1: dead and Wolverine. Wilburne's in that. Don't forget mister Logan.
Speaker 1: We're dropping episodes every single day leading up to the
Speaker 1: release of Deadpool and Wolverine, covering everything from both characters
Speaker 1: comics origins, to the long history of their respective film adaptations.
Speaker 3: In today's episode, it's a big, chunky omnibus, and we're
Speaker 3: joined by Marvel Comics write Pretty Chibba to dive into
Speaker 3: some of our favorite Deadpool and Wolverine team ups and
Speaker 3: face offs in the Marvel Comics canon.
Speaker 1: Him.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's so good to have you on the show.
Speaker 1: It's awesome. Let's get into it all right. Before we
Speaker 1: get started, let's talk about what we think makes a
Speaker 1: good Deadpool collab, a good Deadpool story, and a good
Speaker 1: Deadpool team up. Pretty Any thoughts, yeah?
Speaker 2: Pretty.
Speaker 4: I think having an understanding of balance is really important
Speaker 4: with Deadpool because Deadpool can so easily He's so loud
Speaker 4: but bastic. There's so many tricks you can use while
Speaker 4: you're writing him that he could so easily overwhelm the narrative.
Speaker 4: So you need to be able to like pull back
Speaker 4: on that, which can be really hard when you're writing
Speaker 4: such a fun character. So I feel like balance is
Speaker 4: really important so both characters get to shine.
Speaker 3: M h, Yeah, I definitely. I think that you're onto
Speaker 3: something there. I think also, I am very much of
Speaker 3: the mindset of like, I do love that straight man
Speaker 3: Deadpool kind of combo. I think it really works. I
Speaker 3: think that's why specifically people enjoy Logan and Deadpool, because
Speaker 3: Logan's your cranky guy and he doesn't really you know.
Speaker 3: Especially I think with X Men ninety seven we've really
Speaker 3: gotten to see that side of him again, and I
Speaker 3: think that version is what works so well. I also
Speaker 3: think the balance is so key because you need Deadpool
Speaker 3: to overwhelm the character in an interpersonal level, but not
Speaker 3: overwhelm the reader exactly. So I'm thinking about how, like,
Speaker 3: you know, Deadpool loves Spider Man, and he's just constantly
Speaker 3: overwhelming Peter.
Speaker 2: Parker with his crush and with his love and.
Speaker 3: And we've kind of seen touches of that in the
Speaker 3: trailer where he's overwhelming Wolverine with his need for him
Speaker 3: to be the best hero you've ever had. But you've
Speaker 3: got to keep it so he doesn't just become annoying.
Speaker 3: I think, Jason, what about you.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's exactly right. I feel very much
Speaker 1: the same way. Full disclosure, I'm not a huge Deadpool guy.
Speaker 1: I have never really taken to his solo titles. But
Speaker 1: Deadpool when that balance is hit and you'll see that
Speaker 1: from my picks today, when you really hit that balance
Speaker 1: with Deadpool, of him working together with other characters, I
Speaker 1: think there's it's kind of magical. And to me, what
Speaker 1: makes Deadpool fun but also difficult to balance is, you know,
Speaker 1: in comics, stakes are always a problem. You're talking about
Speaker 1: the media. Everybody comes back, nobody ever comes back right,
Speaker 1: everybody does right, and those that problem is exacerbated with
Speaker 1: a character like Deadpool who cannot die seemingly no matter
Speaker 1: what you do, and see that in the movies. But
Speaker 1: I think What's interesting is the steaks with Deadpool and
Speaker 1: with any satire are actually like personal to whoever you know,
Speaker 1: whoever is reading or watching, and the stakes are this
Speaker 1: because you know, Deadpool poses the question. The satire of
Speaker 1: Deadpool poses the question of how dumb are you willing
Speaker 1: to admit that comics are and still like them and
Speaker 1: still like them? And the steaks are what if Deadpool
Speaker 1: makes you feel like this is this entire exercise is
Speaker 1: actually too dumb and you walk away? So you've got
Speaker 1: to the balance there is can I make fun of
Speaker 1: the thing I love and still love it? And when
Speaker 1: Deadpool hits that balance, when the creators hit that balance,
Speaker 1: it's particularly in a team context, it's really it's really
Speaker 1: really cool. So I can't wait to talk about some
Speaker 1: of our favorite team ups. Who wants to start? Who
Speaker 1: wants to start throwing at a favorite deadpook?
Speaker 2: Pretty? Do you have a favorite one to start with?
Speaker 4: I do, and it's on.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4: When I was thinking about this, obviously in the lead
Speaker 4: up to this recording, and the first one that came
Speaker 4: to mind is not sort of your stereotypical funny like
Speaker 4: viral Deadpool team up. It was Uncanny X Force. The
Speaker 4: remember it's one of my favorite books. It's so dark,
Speaker 4: but that I think is a testament to Deadpool as
Speaker 4: a character who can't exist in that space as well
Speaker 4: and be a little bit more on the darker, like
Speaker 4: horror side of things.
Speaker 1: Like I was.
Speaker 4: Remembering, I was like that scene where he's like feeding archangel,
Speaker 4: like leaning over him, and I guess we can spoil her,
Speaker 4: but he's like, you know, trying to help him survive
Speaker 4: or like whatever it is, and it's horrific, but it's
Speaker 4: still Deadpool, so there is this like sort of funny
Speaker 4: level to it. It's extremely unsavory, we'll say.
Speaker 3: Test Yes, I think that's a great pick because also,
Speaker 3: like you know, the the right era of that comic
Speaker 3: is someone who in the past. You know, I've critique
Speaker 3: some of his other comics, but I do have to say,
Speaker 3: when I was revisiting this stuff, I do think that's
Speaker 3: one of the best X Men titles that we've ever gotten.
Speaker 3: It's it's so good, it's so interesting.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. It's so weird, weird in a.
Speaker 3: Way that it feels like again, like some of the
Speaker 3: best of this stuff, it's weird in a way that
Speaker 3: feels in conversation with like what you talk about the
Speaker 3: comic book shop, like what would happen in these scenarios,
Speaker 3: Like what's the worst, possible, creepiest, weirdest version of like
Speaker 3: an ex team and what would happen on it? And
Speaker 3: I just think this is like not to hype him
Speaker 3: up too much, but I mean it is almost as
Speaker 3: good as like a Grant Morrison New.
Speaker 2: X Men, Like I think it is that. I think
Speaker 2: it has that.
Speaker 3: Much quality and I think that's a really great pick.
Speaker 3: And I love that pic because I also feel like
Speaker 3: it's if you read that, like our disc what is
Speaker 3: really active. If people listen to this and they go
Speaker 3: out and read that, it's going to be such a
Speaker 3: different experience from all the other books that we recommend
Speaker 3: to you today.
Speaker 4: Let's start off strong, Yeah, Rosie won you go next?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to go for if you like
Speaker 3: Deadpool in the movies and you're like this guy, like
Speaker 3: when did he really start being like that? Because it's
Speaker 3: definitely not from like his first appearance, you know, in
Speaker 3: like in your kind of your New Mutants.
Speaker 1: Name, He's supposed to be like cool at first, he
Speaker 1: was definitely supposed.
Speaker 2: To be cool so boring though, who wants that?
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things that Aaron, our super producer,
Speaker 3: picked out. So he was created by you know, Fabian
Speaker 3: Ncenza and Rob Leifeld, in which I'm sure Rob would
Speaker 3: hate it if he had me put it that way round,
Speaker 3: but sorry, And.
Speaker 2: It's he was basically.
Speaker 3: Rob's version of like he wanted to do like Spider Man,
Speaker 3: but with guns and swords, yes, you know, And it's like,
Speaker 3: I think that that is really what he was in
Speaker 3: those early days. But I think if you want to
Speaker 3: read a Deadpool as you know him now, I really
Speaker 3: think it's Daniel Way's Deadpool run with like Steve Dylon legendary,
Speaker 3: Paca Medina legendary or not. That is where he gets
Speaker 3: his third voice, which is basically kind of like his
Speaker 3: Devil on his shoulder voice, and they argue with each
Speaker 3: other and they talk to each other and it's constantly
Speaker 3: breaking the fourth wall and it's totally silly, and honestly,
Speaker 3: to a lot of people who haven't read a lot
Speaker 3: of Deadpool comics, this one doesn't necessarily have that balance.
Speaker 3: Like by the end of reading this, you might be
Speaker 3: like Deadpool is so annoying, but.
Speaker 2: It does feature Wolverine. There were Wolverine.
Speaker 3: Issues that the collections pull in. You get to see
Speaker 3: that kind of original close to the first time. But
Speaker 3: I'll recommend that one later. But I just think this
Speaker 3: is a really important Deadpool text. Like when I used
Speaker 3: to work in the comic book shop, this was the
Speaker 3: one where when people came in and they said, I
Speaker 3: want to read Deadpool, I love the video game, or
Speaker 3: I'm really excited for the movie. This was always the
Speaker 3: one where I'd say, I think this is where Deadpool
Speaker 3: gains his his voice.
Speaker 2: As we know him now.
Speaker 3: Like when you read these comics, it feels like this
Speaker 3: is what Ryan Reynolds is riffing on, and we do
Speaker 3: get some good Wolverine Deadpool moments in that too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually this was on my list as well,
Speaker 4: specifically the X Men, like three. I think it's three
Speaker 4: issues run somewhere in the middle there, because you know
Speaker 4: we're saying earlier that Wolverine is often the straight man,
Speaker 4: but I think he what's so great about the partnership
Speaker 4: between Deadpool and Wolverine is he can sort of like
Speaker 4: sync to Deadpool's level because it's Wolverine, right and in
Speaker 4: this book, I love it because Cyclops is so angry,
Speaker 4: so angry, and I love when Cyclops is angry and
Speaker 4: like Wolverine just sort of being there as the voice
Speaker 4: of like, ah, man, we gotta it's Deadpool, like relaxed,
Speaker 4: we just got to do it. It's so wonderful.
Speaker 3: I also guess, like something we didn't really talk about is,
Speaker 3: you know, these are two characters who are immortal and
Speaker 3: kind of different or almost near immortal in kind of
Speaker 3: different ways. So I do think I like that note
Speaker 3: that you say about Wolverine can lower himself to dead
Speaker 3: pull at that point, and I think.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's probably because he's just bored of.
Speaker 3: Being alive for so long, so he's probably actually like
Speaker 3: really glad that there's someone who can just make a
Speaker 3: dick joke or like do something stupid, like I think
Speaker 3: Logan's probably been very bored of being the sensible one.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And there's also like a wonderful any
Speaker 1: good Wolverine and Deadpool story has like a Tom and
Speaker 1: Jury feel to it. Yes, and this story absolutely this
Speaker 1: is very looney, chopping off each other's like arms instead
Speaker 1: of stabbing each other all the time, and like decapitating
Speaker 1: each other, like shoving their swords slash claws to each
Speaker 1: other's brains.
Speaker 3: Like and it feels very like an influence of what
Speaker 3: we've seen on the trailers so far, where like the
Speaker 3: two of them are just for Wolverine doesn't want to
Speaker 3: team up with him, so he's just like, I'm just
Speaker 3: gonna like put my clawes through you, like Tea was like,
Speaker 3: give me a hand, and he's just like stabs him
Speaker 3: in the side.
Speaker 2: So I think you're right, we're channeling.
Speaker 3: That Looney Tunes energy for sure. Jason, what about you?
Speaker 1: Well, first, I want to shout out on Kenny X Force,
Speaker 1: which I absolutely adored when it was out. I think
Speaker 1: the lineup Wolverine, Archangel, Deadpool, Santomex six, it's so so weird.
Speaker 1: It was just delightful to see Phantom X get like
Speaker 1: a starring role, like he's back in the mix. Incredible,
Speaker 1: one of the weirdest characters ever invented. So I just
Speaker 1: wonder so much, so wonderful family drama, and I love
Speaker 1: that era. I love the Dad era of Wolverine has
Speaker 1: been really fun to explore. I'm going to start with again, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, my bias is towards Deadpool in a kind
Speaker 1: of larger team context. So I'm going to go with
Speaker 1: the Messiah War crossover kind of referenced in Deadpool too.
Speaker 1: And you hear Cable talk about Hope Hope being Hope
Speaker 1: Summers the mutant Messiah, and in this story, Deadpool and
Speaker 1: X Force and Cable travel to the future to try
Speaker 1: and save Hope Summers, and it also acts as a
Speaker 1: clever device to get Hope Summers aged up to the
Speaker 1: to her early adulthood so she could actually start being
Speaker 1: in fights and not be a little kid anymore. But
Speaker 1: it has spoiler one of my favorite Deadpool stunts, which
Speaker 1: is Deadpool trapped in a freezer for eight hundred years.
Speaker 1: So everybody has time trivel devices allows them to jump
Speaker 1: to the future, right, but they only have a limited
Speaker 1: number of them, so only some of them can jump
Speaker 1: to the future. So Deadpool is like, well, I'll just wait.
Speaker 1: He just sits there hundred years eating himself, like eating
Speaker 1: and uh, and by the time they get him out,
Speaker 1: he has gone fully insane, which is only marginally more
Speaker 1: insane than than he already And it's just one of
Speaker 1: my favorite little Deadpool bits. So that's I'll start with
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 2: That's really good stuff.
Speaker 1: Pretty would you like to pick another one? Yeah?
Speaker 4: So another one that I really love because I am
Speaker 4: also a sucker for like bringing the supernatural into a
Speaker 4: partnership is Wolverine Annual. I wrote this down Wolverine Annual
Speaker 4: number one. Yeah, like another one where Wolverine is sort
Speaker 4: of like at Deadpool's level. I just love it because
Speaker 4: there's this great likely you know, the premises Deadpool's been
Speaker 4: hired to like assassinate this writer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like an ass.
Speaker 4: Just like an author. Wolverine's at the author signing to
Speaker 4: get a book signed quote unquote for Kitty, and Deadpool's
Speaker 4: hired to assassinate. It's absurd, and the author turns out
Speaker 4: to be a were wolf and it's this whole thing,
Speaker 4: but it's Wolverine's like there's something weird and going on,
Speaker 4: and he just sort of like interrupts the entire thing
Speaker 4: and they get they've been pulled into like were wolf
Speaker 4: politics hijinks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so good.
Speaker 3: And it's like the funniest thing is this is like
Speaker 3: really the last bastion of like the extreme nineties, Like
Speaker 3: the Kava is so extreme, it's like everyone has like
Speaker 3: fifty muscles on top of muscles.
Speaker 2: And even though it is literally.
Speaker 3: Most notable because Mark on Drinc home Wall McDaniel decided
Speaker 3: they were going to do were.
Speaker 2: Wolves, the it was just like grudge match with.
Speaker 3: Nah.
Speaker 5: It's like no, it's like an author signing drama that
Speaker 5: seems like a well of But this does lead to
Speaker 5: a question that I wanted to ask you guys, which
Speaker 5: is like, what is it about those.
Speaker 3: Kind of extreme nineties characters and that extreme era and
Speaker 3: the creators?
Speaker 2: Like why does it still resonate with us?
Speaker 3: I mean, we're still here, Robert Eifelt still an active creator,
Speaker 3: Jim Lee obviously like runs DC. You know, what is
Speaker 3: it about that era that was so kind of powerful
Speaker 3: and still gets us coming back to these stories?
Speaker 1: You know? For me, I think it was there was
Speaker 1: a level of bomb bast for the for you know,
Speaker 1: the nineties has been like retroactively criticized somewhat fairly, I
Speaker 1: think for being like the tasteless version of comics, you know,
Speaker 1: like oversize everything, oversized guns, fifty oversized kitanas, like all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I think the thing that comes through
Speaker 1: is there was like an attitude and a no holds
Speaker 1: barred kind of safeties off of like your creative imagination
Speaker 1: kind of energy that has in the more corporate version
Speaker 1: of Big two comics is hard to find.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like really fun and Liefeld and Ncenza
Speaker 1: like became rock stars off and many others became like
Speaker 1: rock stars off of the energy they brought to the page.
Speaker 1: And that feels like an era that for all of
Speaker 1: its warts and shortcomings. You know, a lot of those
Speaker 1: creators Liefeld included, who have became stars, would later say
Speaker 1: decide that they needed to break away from the industry
Speaker 1: as it existed in order to more adequately feel like
Speaker 1: they were compensated for the things they're creating. That said,
Speaker 1: that creative energy in retrospect feels kind of special, Like
Speaker 1: you don't see that kind of just pure rough imagination
Speaker 1: energy just like exploding off the page as much in
Speaker 1: today's here, like it felt really exciting to open a
Speaker 1: life felt comic in like nineteen ninety two, Like it
Speaker 1: was like, whoa, I've different? What is this? This is
Speaker 1: not following any of the rules, yes I have, you know,
Speaker 1: like any of the artistic rules, any of the rules
Speaker 1: about how you drug characters, any natomy rule, any anatomy rules.
Speaker 1: But that felt really exciting, and I and and I
Speaker 1: think there's a nostalgia for that. Pretty what do you think.
Speaker 4: I would push back a little bit. Not everything in
Speaker 4: the nineties worked for me. I think there is like
Speaker 4: when you have the sort of like you can see
Speaker 4: the joy someone is bringing to something and the excitement
Speaker 4: in getting to do something weird and like you said,
Speaker 4: bumbastic and all these things. I think you see actually
Speaker 4: a lot of that, at least I'll speak from Marvels,
Speaker 4: like from a Marvel perspective on Marvel Unlimited.
Speaker 2: There a lot of that's true.
Speaker 1: You're doing really.
Speaker 4: Fun and interesting things in sort of the webtoon format
Speaker 4: that may not like get to the page, to the
Speaker 4: printed page. So there is some of that. It's there's
Speaker 4: so much more now also.
Speaker 2: To purst through.
Speaker 4: Then you know, it's just sort of exploded in terms
Speaker 4: of the number of stories being told. So I think
Speaker 4: that there's so much fun in what in a lot
Speaker 4: of the books we got in the nineties that you
Speaker 4: can still find in books happening today if you look
Speaker 4: for it. And I think that's the key.
Speaker 3: I actually think you've touched on something really interesting here,
Speaker 3: because something that we don't really talk about, right is like,
Speaker 3: this is the nineties the peak audience for comics, right
Speaker 3: that are still seen as like teenagers now in that
Speaker 3: era it's teenage boys, right, That's how they perceive it.
Speaker 3: But we all know like other people love those comics too.
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking about that because pre what you're making,
Speaker 3: the point off that I think actually connects these two
Speaker 3: things is that in ya comics now, as we would
Speaker 3: call them.
Speaker 2: That's where a lot of that energy is.
Speaker 3: Whether it's unlimited, whether it's like you know, some cool,
Speaker 3: amazing cartoonists like an Ingo zi Ukazu who he had
Speaker 3: on recently, like that, when comics are tailored to a
Speaker 3: teenage audience, there's almost like or a younger reader's audience.
Speaker 3: There's like a freedom there that you don't have to
Speaker 3: get as core cap in. And back then it wasn't
Speaker 3: as specific. They weren't like, oh, they're drawing these comics.
Speaker 3: But lest we not forget Rob liffeld I think was
Speaker 3: like nineteen when he started drawing these comics.
Speaker 2: You know, they actually were teenagers. Jim Lee was so young.
Speaker 3: There's that very famous video that you can watch on
Speaker 3: YouTube of Jim and Rob and they're with stan Lee
Speaker 3: on stan Lee's kind of Creators, you know, little chat
Speaker 3: show that he would do, and they're kind of designing
Speaker 3: characters and you can just see that these are young people,
Speaker 3: like brimming with their energy.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a really.
Speaker 3: Good way of looking at it. Like when comics, there's
Speaker 3: something about making comics for young people that stopped people
Speaker 3: being as worried about being.
Speaker 2: Like so precise.
Speaker 3: You know, I think a lot about Todd McFarland, who
Speaker 3: I love, who Jimley is probably my top nineties like
Speaker 3: comics dad, who I love, but like Todd is a
Speaker 3: very close second.
Speaker 2: But I always think about the capes.
Speaker 3: Like Todd would draw these ridiculous takes, right, yeah, that
Speaker 3: were just like no one would ever say.
Speaker 2: That is how a cape behaves.
Speaker 1: Move like that.
Speaker 3: It doesn't move like that, but it doesn't matter because
Speaker 3: when you're a kid, you're like, that is the coolest
Speaker 3: cape I've read the scene. That's like the coolest thing
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. And I think that, you know what,
Speaker 3: as comics has grown and become like an academic study,
Speaker 3: you know, the sixties was the first time we had
Speaker 3: comics in college, but since then it's really now you
Speaker 3: can study comics most places you have like comics winning
Speaker 3: the Pulitzer Prize or being nominated for it. I think
Speaker 3: that what these comics remind me of is like the
Speaker 3: fun that you're allowed to have with them when it
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be like like you said, I think
Speaker 3: a lot about New Mutants ninety eight, because that was
Speaker 3: a comic where like in they reprinted it when I
Speaker 3: was working at the comic bookshop and everyone.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, Rob Eifeld, like he's so rubbish.
Speaker 3: She can't draw shoes or whatever, he can't draw feet,
Speaker 3: And I remember like opening the book and being like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is like abstract like genius, Like if
Speaker 3: you look at this, this is actually a really exciting, cool,
Speaker 3: strange book that is so much more than just like
Speaker 3: what somebody who's doing like an anatomy YouTube video and
Speaker 3: saying like this is wrong and kind of there's an
Speaker 3: energy there. I think that is is kind of like
Speaker 3: so powerful. But I'm very glad you picked the Wolverine
Speaker 3: Annual because anything with wear wolves I'm a big fan of.
Speaker 2: Jason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good come on, Jason's an, what's another
Speaker 3: one of yours?
Speaker 1: Well, before I get into it, I just want to
Speaker 1: say one I think part of what was exciting to
Speaker 1: me about the nineties artists Life Felt in particular, who
Speaker 1: amongst whom Life Felt was kind of like the most
Speaker 1: famous is it felt accessible? As you know, It's like
Speaker 1: Art Adams. I look at his stuff, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: will never approach that. I will never ever approach that
Speaker 1: level of detail, Alan Davis, I will never create such
Speaker 1: beautiful like that. Yeah, And then it's like you see
Speaker 1: Life Felt, and you're like, you know what, I think
Speaker 1: I could There's a world in which I could imagine
Speaker 1: myself doing that somehow and there and that was exciting.
Speaker 1: I think to a lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 1: young people who are reading comics at the time, who
Speaker 1: I think, definitely, oh my god, this kind of this
Speaker 1: looks like a much better version of the stuff like
Speaker 1: I'm doing on the back of my notebook.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It was like the Todd McFarland thing you mentioned in
Speaker 1: McFarland thing. To me, I was the first time I
Speaker 1: saw McFarland's like amazing Spider Man and like the the
Speaker 1: wedding like the ridiculous curl acues of like Webb Peter
Speaker 1: Parker webbing that was like spinning around his hands and
Speaker 1: it didn't. You've never seen the webbing like that Ornate.
Speaker 1: I was just like, holy shit, that is the coolest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. Yeah, like absolutely, Okay, So my
Speaker 1: next pick is going to be uh And I think
Speaker 1: this might be a good one for folks looking for
Speaker 1: a semi direct comic primer going into Deadpool Wolverine are
Speaker 1: coming out of it, and that is Deadpool versus old
Speaker 1: Man logan to thoseeen womited series has a lot of
Speaker 1: that Tom and Jerry energy, you know, the the mrk
Speaker 1: with mouth and everybody's favorite veriant of Wolverine who is
Speaker 1: old and Kent tankeros and killed all his friends.
Speaker 4: Somehow more cantankeris than are, somehow much more cantankerous.
Speaker 2: Somehow he became more cantankerous.
Speaker 1: I mean, mass murdering your friends, will I guess do
Speaker 1: that to you?
Speaker 3: And that does seem like what's gonna happen in the movie.
Speaker 3: From what we've seen, it seems like he's feeling sad
Speaker 3: about something.
Speaker 1: Yes, they go off on a search for a mysterious
Speaker 1: Omega mutant. But there's a lot of wonderful high jinks
Speaker 1: and you know that straight man versus clown kind of
Speaker 1: dynamic is really evident. And as a limited series, it's
Speaker 1: not too much. That's for me. With Deadpool, it's like
Speaker 1: it's just got to be enough.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, it's you're so right because the reason
Speaker 6: I was so happy when Joel was like, yeah, he's
Speaker 6: gonna come, I'm gonna talk about Deadpool verin, I was like,
Speaker 6: good because you know what my distinct memory of Deadpool
Speaker 6: is when I was working at the shop, Deadpool books
Speaker 6: were like so popular that they had done like six.
Speaker 3: Of these huge like telephone book omnibuses called Deadpool Classics,
Speaker 3: and I was like, guys, these are not classics.
Speaker 2: Like these are not there's classics.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely crazy is a thing.
Speaker 2: So this was it.
Speaker 3: This was in like twenty sixteen, so some of these
Speaker 3: books were so close to have just coming out.
Speaker 2: But there is so.
Speaker 3: Much Deadpool and there's so many different iterations that I
Speaker 3: love being able to just give people little like tidbits.
Speaker 3: So I would say, like my another one that I
Speaker 3: wanted to call out is a wolverine eighty eight, which
Speaker 3: is the first time that Wolverine and Deadpool actually like
Speaker 3: fight as Larry Harmer a comic book legend, Adam kuber
Speaker 3: another legend, and Fabia Laguna another legend.
Speaker 2: Just all bangers basically.
Speaker 3: But this is really interesting because this was a perennial
Speaker 3: like as we'd call it, like this is a twenty
Speaker 3: five cent comic, Like you're finding this in the back
Speaker 3: issue bin of every place, right if you have this
Speaker 3: comic now, friends, you're looking at like one hundred dollar comics,
Speaker 3: So good for you. If you've picked this comic up recently,
Speaker 3: good because this is like another nineties book that now
Speaker 3: is seen as this huge thing, has this super sick
Speaker 3: I love the cover so much. It's this Adam Kuberck
Speaker 3: cover where Deir Pull's like super muscly and he's got
Speaker 3: his arms crossed with the two katanas and he stabbed
Speaker 3: Wolverine and Wolverine's like his tummy is like all bleeding,
Speaker 3: his claws are all red. So it's like really over
Speaker 3: the top but just completely delightful. And it also again
Speaker 3: feels like this feels like a book that could have
Speaker 3: been on the set for this because it's like there's
Speaker 3: not really any nice introductions. They just start fighting, and
Speaker 3: there's lots of connections to like Weapon X and some
Speaker 3: interesting weird like wades ex girlfriend Copycat is in it,
Speaker 3: and that feels very much in the weird, deep cut
Speaker 3: stuff that they're kind of into right now. So yeah,
Speaker 3: very interesting to see how that will come into play.
Speaker 3: But that's a great issue that I'm sure is probably
Speaker 3: just available on Marvel Unlimited, or if you go to
Speaker 3: a shop where they don't sell lots of cgc's comics,
Speaker 3: maybe you could still find it for like five books,
Speaker 3: but if not, I'm sure you can read it online.
Speaker 2: But that's a that's their first.
Speaker 3: Ever comic book meetup, so it's a nice one to
Speaker 3: get a little bit of like context of the history
Speaker 3: of the two boys Preedy.
Speaker 1: Do you have a final one?
Speaker 4: Well, we talked about the ones that were on my
Speaker 4: list already, because I also had the old Man logan
Speaker 4: and Deadpool on my list.
Speaker 2: Because it's just.
Speaker 4: They're just so it's just I think what you want
Speaker 4: from this pairing is sort of that cantankerous logan and
Speaker 4: that just like banana pants Deadpool together on the page,
Speaker 4: and that's such a perfect example of the two of them.
Speaker 4: Even if it's you know, au Logan like from that awful,
Speaker 4: awful Future, it makes it better.
Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, I did want to ask you, did you
Speaker 3: ever play the Deadpool video game? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did a little bit. It was fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think about a lot because when
Speaker 3: I was a kid, I remember well, when I was
Speaker 3: like a younger adult, I remember it coming out and
Speaker 3: it was like such a huge deal. It definitely had
Speaker 3: that same energy. And there is apparently I did not
Speaker 3: play it this far, but there is apparently some good
Speaker 3: Deadpool Wolverine action in that game, So I'm like, could
Speaker 3: be something interesting to revisit for fans who want to
Speaker 3: check it out.
Speaker 2: Jason, do you have a dice?
Speaker 1: I see an adult that I put it there in
Speaker 1: my final I put my this is my final pick.
Speaker 1: And because you mentioned I was kind of on the fence,
Speaker 1: what am I going to pick? But because you both
Speaker 1: shouted out how important horror is and in comics and
Speaker 1: how cool it is when you cross Deadpool with that
Speaker 1: carror comic energy, I'm gonna doude Deadpool Team Up number
Speaker 1: two eighty eight, which honestly, I was shocked that have
Speaker 1: there been really two hundred and eighty eight issues at
Speaker 1: start number two eighty eight, and this issue teems the
Speaker 1: Mark with Mouth up with Bessie the Vampire hell Cow.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: And it's just like a wonderful team up, a fantastic
Speaker 1: and super weird team up, wonderful cover by Berta Ramos,
Speaker 1: who I always love, and it's just it's just fun.
Speaker 1: It's just good, good old Deadpool fun with a wonderful,
Speaker 1: deep cut character Bessie the hell Cow, whose rivalry and
Speaker 1: feud with Dracula is ongoing. Bring her back, bring her back, bring.
Speaker 4: You know what, someone somewhere is working on bringing her back.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know it comics and that love way
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 3: And you know, like, I love this pic because I
Speaker 3: think some of one of the best things about Deadpool
Speaker 3: that I know people are gonna love about this movie
Speaker 3: is like you have the different Deadpools, you have Lady Deadpool,
Speaker 3: you have Dogpool. You know, so Bessie the hell Cow
Speaker 3: team up works deeply. I'm gonna throw out a last one.
Speaker 3: It's a cheat because it's not technically a Wolverine comic,
Speaker 3: but I do think that the Spider Man Slashed Deadpool
Speaker 3: by Joe Kelly and Ed McGinnis. Joe Kelly another very
Speaker 3: thinctive Deadpool writer who really shaped the voice of Deadpool
Speaker 3: as we know it. This is very much where they're
Speaker 3: taking the kind of like fun crush, Like.
Speaker 2: Is it romantic? Is it not?
Speaker 3: Like that had always been a big part of Deadpool's
Speaker 3: feelings about Spider Man, But this book, they did loads
Speaker 3: of fun covers. There's like an upside down one that's
Speaker 3: implicating the upside down kiss. Deadpool is just completely obsessed
Speaker 3: with Peter Parker and wants to date him and loves
Speaker 3: how he looks in the suit. And it one not
Speaker 3: only is a hilarious book, but also I do feel
Speaker 3: like it is influencing the kind of merchandising and promo
Speaker 3: we're getting for this movie where they're kind of holding
Speaker 3: hands and there's this implicit queerness to it. So and
Speaker 3: we know that the movies have not been afraid. They've
Speaker 3: made it clear that Deadpool is bisexual, just like the comics,
Speaker 3: you know. But I'm very interested to see how else
Speaker 3: it plays into it, because i do feel like Spider
Speaker 3: Man Deadpool is the original ship and I'm interested to
Speaker 3: see if they try and make it a Wolverine Deadpool
Speaker 3: thing in the movies.
Speaker 2: Pre you are like the dream guest. This is like
Speaker 2: so good, pretty, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you and your works?
Speaker 4: They can find me on social most places at run
Speaker 4: with Skizzers. They can find my work on my website
Speaker 4: prethgipper dot com. I have a ton of Marvel comics.
Speaker 4: If you just look my name up you will find them.
Speaker 4: The most most recent was the blood Hunt Jubilee one
Speaker 4: shot that came out last month, and a big Marvel
Speaker 4: Unlimited thing is coming soon, but I don't think I'm
Speaker 4: allowed to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Excited, Keep your eyes peeled and your eyes tuned, guys.
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