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Speaker 1: Warning. Today's episode contains spoilers for Deadpool and Wolverines, various

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Speaker 1: comic book appearances and team ups with each other and

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Speaker 1: So be warned, be warned to be talking about that stuff. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jasonncepcion.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Rosday Night, and welcome back to X.

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Speaker 1: Ray Visions week long coverage of all things Pool that's

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Speaker 1: dead and Wolverine. Wilburne's in that. Don't forget mister Logan.

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Speaker 1: We're dropping episodes every single day leading up to the

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Speaker 1: release of Deadpool and Wolverine, covering everything from both characters

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Speaker 1: comics origins, to the long history of their respective film adaptations.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, it's a big, chunky omnibus, and we're

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Speaker 3: joined by Marvel Comics write Pretty Chibba to dive into

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Speaker 3: some of our favorite Deadpool and Wolverine team ups and

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Speaker 3: face offs in the Marvel Comics canon.

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Speaker 1: Him.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's so good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Let's get into it all right. Before we

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Speaker 1: get started, let's talk about what we think makes a

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Speaker 1: good Deadpool collab, a good Deadpool story, and a good

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Speaker 1: Deadpool team up. Pretty Any thoughts, yeah?

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Speaker 2: Pretty.

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Speaker 4: I think having an understanding of balance is really important

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Speaker 4: with Deadpool because Deadpool can so easily He's so loud

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Speaker 4: but bastic. There's so many tricks you can use while

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Speaker 4: you're writing him that he could so easily overwhelm the narrative.

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Speaker 4: So you need to be able to like pull back

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Speaker 3: M h, Yeah, I definitely. I think that you're onto

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Speaker 3: Especially I think with X Men ninety seven we've really

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Speaker 3: And we've kind of seen touches of that in the

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Speaker 3: I think, Jason, what about you.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's exactly right. I feel very much

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Speaker 1: the same way. Full disclosure, I'm not a huge Deadpool guy.

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Speaker 1: I have never really taken to his solo titles. But

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Speaker 1: Deadpool when that balance is hit and you'll see that

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Speaker 1: from my picks today, when you really hit that balance

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Speaker 1: in comics, stakes are always a problem. You're talking about

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Speaker 2: Pretty? Do you have a favorite one to start with?

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Speaker 4: When I was thinking about this, obviously in the lead

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Speaker 1: Like I was.

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Speaker 4: Remembering, I was like that scene where he's like feeding archangel,

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Speaker 3: Test Yes, I think that's a great pick because also,

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Speaker 3: It's it's so good, it's so interesting.

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Speaker 4: Let's start off strong, Yeah, Rosie won you go next?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm going to go for if you like

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Speaker 1: Name, He's supposed to be like cool at first, he

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things that Aaron, our super producer,

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Speaker 2: It does feature Wolverine. There were Wolverine.

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Speaker 2: As we know him now.

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Speaker 3: Like when you read these comics, it feels like this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's actually this was on my list as well,

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. And there's also like a wonderful any

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Speaker 3: Like and it feels very like an influence of what

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Speaker 2: So I think you're right, we're channeling.

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Speaker 3: That Looney Tunes energy for sure. Jason, what about you?

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Speaker 1: Well, first, I want to shout out on Kenny X Force,

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Speaker 4: I would push back a little bit. Not everything in

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Speaker 4: Somehow more cantankeris than are, somehow much more cantankerous.

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Speaker 2: Somehow he became more cantankerous.

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Speaker 1: I mean, mass murdering your friends, will I guess do

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Speaker 1: that to you?

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Speaker 3: And that does seem like what's gonna happen in the movie.

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Speaker 3: From what we've seen, it seems like he's feeling sad

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Speaker 3: about something.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they go off on a search for a mysterious

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Speaker 1: Omega mutant. But there's a lot of wonderful high jinks

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Speaker 1: and you know that straight man versus clown kind of

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Speaker 1: dynamic is really evident. And as a limited series, it's

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Speaker 1: not too much. That's for me. With Deadpool, it's like

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Speaker 1: it's just got to be enough.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, it's you're so right because the reason

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Speaker 6: I was so happy when Joel was like, yeah, he's

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Speaker 6: gonna come, I'm gonna talk about Deadpool verin, I was like,

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Speaker 6: good because you know what my distinct memory of Deadpool

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Speaker 6: is when I was working at the shop, Deadpool books

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Speaker 6: were like so popular that they had done like six.

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Speaker 3: Of these huge like telephone book omnibuses called Deadpool Classics,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, guys, these are not classics.

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Speaker 2: Like these are not there's classics.

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely crazy is a thing.

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Speaker 2: So this was it.

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Speaker 3: This was in like twenty sixteen, so some of these

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Speaker 3: books were so close to have just coming out.

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Speaker 2: But there is so.

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Speaker 3: Much Deadpool and there's so many different iterations that I

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Speaker 3: love being able to just give people little like tidbits.

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Speaker 3: So I would say, like my another one that I

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Speaker 3: wanted to call out is a wolverine eighty eight, which

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Speaker 3: is the first time that Wolverine and Deadpool actually like

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Speaker 3: fight as Larry Harmer a comic book legend, Adam kuber

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Speaker 3: another legend, and Fabia Laguna another legend.

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Speaker 2: Just all bangers basically.

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Speaker 3: But this is really interesting because this was a perennial

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Speaker 3: like as we'd call it, like this is a twenty

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Speaker 3: five cent comic, Like you're finding this in the back

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Speaker 3: issue bin of every place, right if you have this

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Speaker 3: comic now, friends, you're looking at like one hundred dollar comics,

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Speaker 3: So good for you. If you've picked this comic up recently,

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Speaker 3: good because this is like another nineties book that now

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Speaker 3: is seen as this huge thing, has this super sick

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Speaker 3: I love the cover so much. It's this Adam Kuberck

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Speaker 3: cover where Deir Pull's like super muscly and he's got

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Speaker 3: his arms crossed with the two katanas and he stabbed

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Speaker 3: Wolverine and Wolverine's like his tummy is like all bleeding,

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Speaker 3: his claws are all red. So it's like really over

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Speaker 3: the top but just completely delightful. And it also again

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Speaker 3: feels like this feels like a book that could have

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Speaker 3: been on the set for this because it's like there's

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Speaker 3: not really any nice introductions. They just start fighting, and

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Speaker 3: there's lots of connections to like Weapon X and some

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Speaker 3: interesting weird like wades ex girlfriend Copycat is in it,

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Speaker 3: and that feels very much in the weird, deep cut

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Speaker 3: stuff that they're kind of into right now. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: very interesting to see how that will come into play.

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Speaker 3: But that's a great issue that I'm sure is probably

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Speaker 3: just available on Marvel Unlimited, or if you go to

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Speaker 3: a shop where they don't sell lots of cgc's comics,

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Speaker 3: maybe you could still find it for like five books,

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Speaker 3: but if not, I'm sure you can read it online.

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Speaker 2: But that's a that's their first.

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Speaker 3: Ever comic book meetup, so it's a nice one to

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Speaker 3: get a little bit of like context of the history

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Speaker 3: of the two boys Preedy.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a final one?

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Speaker 4: Well, we talked about the ones that were on my

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Speaker 4: list already, because I also had the old Man logan

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Speaker 4: and Deadpool on my list.

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Speaker 2: Because it's just.

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Speaker 4: They're just so it's just I think what you want

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Speaker 4: from this pairing is sort of that cantankerous logan and

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Speaker 4: that just like banana pants Deadpool together on the page,

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Speaker 4: and that's such a perfect example of the two of them.

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Speaker 4: Even if it's you know, au Logan like from that awful,

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Speaker 4: awful Future, it makes it better.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jason, I did want to ask you, did you

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Speaker 3: ever play the Deadpool video game? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I did a little bit. It was fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I think about a lot because when

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Speaker 3: I was a kid, I remember well, when I was

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Speaker 3: like a younger adult, I remember it coming out and

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Speaker 3: it was like such a huge deal. It definitely had

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Speaker 3: that same energy. And there is apparently I did not

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Speaker 3: play it this far, but there is apparently some good

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Speaker 3: Deadpool Wolverine action in that game, So I'm like, could

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Speaker 3: be something interesting to revisit for fans who want to

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Speaker 3: check it out.

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Speaker 2: Jason, do you have a dice?

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Speaker 1: I see an adult that I put it there in

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Speaker 1: my final I put my this is my final pick.

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Speaker 1: And because you mentioned I was kind of on the fence,

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Speaker 1: what am I going to pick? But because you both

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Speaker 1: shouted out how important horror is and in comics and

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Speaker 1: how cool it is when you cross Deadpool with that

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Speaker 1: carror comic energy, I'm gonna doude Deadpool Team Up number

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Speaker 1: two eighty eight, which honestly, I was shocked that have

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Speaker 1: there been really two hundred and eighty eight issues at

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Speaker 1: start number two eighty eight, and this issue teems the

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Speaker 1: Mark with Mouth up with Bessie the Vampire hell Cow.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: And it's just like a wonderful team up, a fantastic

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Speaker 1: and super weird team up, wonderful cover by Berta Ramos,

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Speaker 1: who I always love, and it's just it's just fun.

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Speaker 1: It's just good, good old Deadpool fun with a wonderful,

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Speaker 1: deep cut character Bessie the hell Cow, whose rivalry and

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Speaker 1: feud with Dracula is ongoing. Bring her back, bring her back, bring.

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Speaker 4: You know what, someone somewhere is working on bringing her back.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you know it comics and that love way

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Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 3: And you know, like, I love this pic because I

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Speaker 3: think some of one of the best things about Deadpool

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Speaker 3: that I know people are gonna love about this movie

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Speaker 3: is like you have the different Deadpools, you have Lady Deadpool,

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Speaker 3: you have Dogpool. You know, so Bessie the hell Cow

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Speaker 3: team up works deeply. I'm gonna throw out a last one.

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Speaker 3: It's a cheat because it's not technically a Wolverine comic,

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Speaker 3: but I do think that the Spider Man Slashed Deadpool

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Speaker 3: by Joe Kelly and Ed McGinnis. Joe Kelly another very

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Speaker 3: thinctive Deadpool writer who really shaped the voice of Deadpool

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Speaker 3: as we know it. This is very much where they're

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Speaker 3: taking the kind of like fun crush, Like.

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Speaker 2: Is it romantic? Is it not?

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Speaker 3: Like that had always been a big part of Deadpool's

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Speaker 3: feelings about Spider Man, But this book, they did loads

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Speaker 3: of fun covers. There's like an upside down one that's

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Speaker 3: implicating the upside down kiss. Deadpool is just completely obsessed

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Speaker 3: with Peter Parker and wants to date him and loves

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Speaker 3: how he looks in the suit. And it one not

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Speaker 3: only is a hilarious book, but also I do feel

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Speaker 3: like it is influencing the kind of merchandising and promo

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Speaker 3: we're getting for this movie where they're kind of holding

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Speaker 3: hands and there's this implicit queerness to it. So and

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Speaker 3: we know that the movies have not been afraid. They've

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Speaker 3: made it clear that Deadpool is bisexual, just like the comics,

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Speaker 3: you know. But I'm very interested to see how else

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Speaker 3: it plays into it, because i do feel like Spider

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Speaker 3: Man Deadpool is the original ship and I'm interested to

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Speaker 3: see if they try and make it a Wolverine Deadpool

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Speaker 3: thing in the movies.

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Speaker 2: Pre you are like the dream guest. This is like

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Speaker 2: so good, pretty, Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you and your works?

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Speaker 4: They can find me on social most places at run

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Speaker 4: with Skizzers. They can find my work on my website

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Speaker 4: prethgipper dot com. I have a ton of Marvel comics.

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Speaker 4: If you just look my name up you will find them.

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Speaker 4: The most most recent was the blood Hunt Jubilee one

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Speaker 4: shot that came out last month, and a big Marvel

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Speaker 4: Unlimited thing is coming soon, but I don't think I'm

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Speaker 4: allowed to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Excited, Keep your eyes peeled and your eyes tuned, guys.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining us. That's our

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Speaker 1: episode for today's See You Next Time. Bite x ray

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Kenspsion and Rosie Knight and

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